1 00:01:26,900 --> 00:01:28,440 Welcome to Nerdpreneur, 2 00:01:28,590 --> 00:01:30,820 where we have fun conversations with nerds 3 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:32,960 making money with their nerdy passion. 4 00:01:33,110 --> 00:01:34,110 And as always, 5 00:01:34,170 --> 00:01:36,660 I am joined by my co host, Frank. 6 00:01:36,820 --> 00:01:37,600 Hello. 7 00:01:38,180 --> 00:01:40,340 And today we have some 8 00:01:40,380 --> 00:01:43,120 very special guests on actually, 9 00:01:43,820 --> 00:01:46,220 and they are two founding members 10 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:50,010 of a company called Only Crits. 11 00:01:50,170 --> 00:01:53,170 Yes. So my name is Eric Burton, and I'm 12 00:01:53,190 --> 00:01:55,390 one of the co founders of Only Crits. 13 00:01:55,850 --> 00:01:58,520 Hi. I'm Rory Hoffman, and shockingly, 14 00:01:58,570 --> 00:02:00,540 also a co founder of only crits. 15 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:02,250 And if you haven't already guessed, 16 00:02:02,350 --> 00:02:06,290 these guys are dice manufacturers. Well, 17 00:02:06,350 --> 00:02:07,540 dice distributors. 18 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:08,740 You've told me you're kind of 19 00:02:08,759 --> 00:02:10,750 like a one stop shop for all 20 00:02:10,780 --> 00:02:14,240 your dice and adventure accessory needs. 21 00:02:14,290 --> 00:02:15,010 Is that right? 22 00:02:15,110 --> 00:02:16,710 Yeah, that's right. So I basically handle 23 00:02:16,740 --> 00:02:18,780 most of the dice side of things, and 24 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:20,540 then Rory handles the adventure side of things, 25 00:02:20,610 --> 00:02:22,070 and then we thought, like, well, 26 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:25,000 let's come together and give both 27 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:27,050 to the consumer and give them what they want. 28 00:02:27,190 --> 00:02:29,370 I think the point was for a new player to 29 00:02:29,390 --> 00:02:31,720 be able to get an adventure and a dice set, 30 00:02:31,780 --> 00:02:33,460 be able to play the game not knowing 31 00:02:33,490 --> 00:02:35,280 anything and have a module to 32 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:37,090 start and then use the module and kind 33 00:02:37,110 --> 00:02:39,400 of build their own homebrew off of that. 34 00:02:39,540 --> 00:02:42,380 So it's not a full, like, 20 level adventure. 35 00:02:42,410 --> 00:02:43,910 It's just a one shot to get you started. 36 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:45,200 Are you looking to, like, introduce 37 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:47,350 the game to more and more people? Like, expand 38 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:50,170 it to people that have never played D and D? 39 00:02:50,190 --> 00:02:51,230 Is that sort of the idea 40 00:02:51,260 --> 00:02:53,290 with having it focused on one shots? 41 00:02:53,430 --> 00:02:56,610 Yeah, I would say yes. The idea being, like, 42 00:02:56,670 --> 00:02:57,770 the easier it is to play, 43 00:02:57,850 --> 00:03:00,510 the easier it is to present to friends. 44 00:03:00,930 --> 00:03:01,890 We don't have too many 45 00:03:01,930 --> 00:03:05,220 filters on distributing our adventures, 46 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:07,430 which ideally allows 47 00:03:07,460 --> 00:03:09,130 people to send adventures and be like, hey, 48 00:03:09,210 --> 00:03:10,850 do you want to run this one? Have you played, 49 00:03:10,950 --> 00:03:12,130 can you run this one? 50 00:03:12,250 --> 00:03:14,980 And it going from one person sort of 51 00:03:15,060 --> 00:03:17,790 having to accumulate all of the stuff in 52 00:03:17,810 --> 00:03:20,680 order to play D and D to being able to 53 00:03:20,710 --> 00:03:22,660 distribute easily to a bunch of different 54 00:03:22,700 --> 00:03:24,470 people being able to play D and D. I'm. 55 00:03:24,530 --> 00:03:26,880 Immediately fascinated with how 56 00:03:26,990 --> 00:03:29,820 the two of you brought this together. 57 00:03:29,920 --> 00:03:31,770 Did you two know each other already? 58 00:03:31,900 --> 00:03:32,830 Yeah, we've been friends 59 00:03:32,890 --> 00:03:34,440 since elementary school. 60 00:03:34,590 --> 00:03:36,350 I think I've known Roy since I was five. 61 00:03:36,410 --> 00:03:36,640 Whoa. 62 00:03:36,670 --> 00:03:37,740 Yeah. Let's go way back. 63 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:39,180 Yes. For a long time. 64 00:03:39,260 --> 00:03:40,300 So could you tell me, 65 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:42,100 what is your nerdy passion, 66 00:03:42,140 --> 00:03:44,380 and how did the two of you really discover it? 67 00:03:44,550 --> 00:03:46,840 Well, mine is mostly, like, video games. 68 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:48,460 I think Rory was the one that 69 00:03:48,490 --> 00:03:50,280 introduced me to dungeons and dragons, 70 00:03:50,340 --> 00:03:51,200 and that was right 71 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:52,760 around when the pandemic started. You know, 72 00:03:52,780 --> 00:03:53,560 everyone's at home, 73 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:55,330 and Rory kind of reached out to me 74 00:03:55,350 --> 00:03:57,370 and a few of our friends and was like, hey, 75 00:03:57,510 --> 00:03:58,250 I have this game, 76 00:03:58,310 --> 00:03:59,570 and I always wanted to play it. Like, 77 00:03:59,590 --> 00:04:01,590 I played a one shot with a few friends, like, 78 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:02,440 a couple years ago. 79 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:04,110 Didn't really know what was going on at all. 80 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:05,400 I didn't have a character sheet, even. 81 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:06,320 I was just role playing. 82 00:04:06,380 --> 00:04:08,320 So when Rory brought up the idea, like, hey, 83 00:04:08,340 --> 00:04:10,540 I can dungeon Master, I was like, yes, please, 84 00:04:10,590 --> 00:04:11,670 let's get this going right away. 85 00:04:11,710 --> 00:04:13,580 And that was in March of 2020. 86 00:04:13,630 --> 00:04:14,590 So it was right at the start. 87 00:04:14,670 --> 00:04:15,580 I mean, honestly, 88 00:04:15,710 --> 00:04:18,360 it took me three tries to get into D and D, 89 00:04:18,540 --> 00:04:19,800 partially because I 90 00:04:19,820 --> 00:04:21,630 was finishing up school first time. 91 00:04:21,790 --> 00:04:23,510 Sort of realized right 92 00:04:23,550 --> 00:04:25,260 near when I was about to graduate, I was like, 93 00:04:25,310 --> 00:04:26,360 I should be playing D and D. 94 00:04:26,380 --> 00:04:28,540 This sounds exactly like what I want to do, and 95 00:04:28,590 --> 00:04:31,080 just didn't have the time or understanding of, 96 00:04:31,180 --> 00:04:31,890 you don't need the whole 97 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:33,370 rule book to start playing D and D. 98 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:34,270 And I kind of thought you did. 99 00:04:34,290 --> 00:04:35,680 So I saw 350 pages. 100 00:04:35,740 --> 00:04:36,840 I read the first 20, and I was like, 101 00:04:36,860 --> 00:04:38,650 I want to leave this for the moment. 102 00:04:38,980 --> 00:04:42,100 When did the decision to start selling 103 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:45,080 dice come into the equation for you two? 104 00:04:45,230 --> 00:04:47,600 Dice would be something like, 105 00:04:47,630 --> 00:04:49,030 it's a game I love, right? 106 00:04:49,130 --> 00:04:50,540 And this is just when I was getting started. 107 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:51,190 So a few months in, 108 00:04:51,210 --> 00:04:52,220 it's a game I love. 109 00:04:52,300 --> 00:04:53,930 I have so much passion for it, 110 00:04:54,060 --> 00:04:55,140 and I'm doing business, 111 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:56,180 which I also love doing. 112 00:04:56,220 --> 00:04:59,080 So it's not like I'm running a 113 00:04:59,110 --> 00:05:01,100 business that I don't want to be running, 114 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:03,030 or I want to be running it, 115 00:05:03,090 --> 00:05:04,400 but just for the money, 116 00:05:04,820 --> 00:05:06,930 or there's only half a passion there. 117 00:05:06,980 --> 00:05:08,300 Whereas this was, like, when 118 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:10,870 that idea first came to me, uh, in September. 119 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:12,350 It was September 9. 120 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:15,290 It was the day I had the idea, 2020. 121 00:05:15,390 --> 00:05:16,680 And I just remember it kind of 122 00:05:16,700 --> 00:05:18,860 exploding in my mind and being like, man, 123 00:05:18,890 --> 00:05:21,640 I could sell dice, um, with Rory. 124 00:05:21,740 --> 00:05:22,780 He could make adventures, 125 00:05:22,850 --> 00:05:23,800 and it would be perfect. 126 00:05:23,860 --> 00:05:25,230 And I was just sitting there kind of like. 127 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:26,920 And it just came out of nowhere. I just, 128 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:29,540 I just realized it was like, wow. Like, 129 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:31,620 it's the best of both worlds. 130 00:05:31,650 --> 00:05:33,420 I have such a high passion for this, 131 00:05:33,530 --> 00:05:36,250 and I can do what I love in terms of work, 132 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:38,750 combine them together. Right? And 133 00:05:38,770 --> 00:05:40,360 then you get to have your cake and eat it, too. 134 00:05:40,460 --> 00:05:41,520 That's when the idea sparked. 135 00:05:41,540 --> 00:05:44,340 So I called Rory, like, instantly that day, 136 00:05:44,390 --> 00:05:45,670 and we talked for 2 137 00:05:45,730 --> 00:05:48,450 hours about the first adventure, 138 00:05:48,870 --> 00:05:50,770 how we were going to make it work, like, 139 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:52,870 when the launch date was going to be, 140 00:05:52,990 --> 00:05:56,490 and all these details and just, oh, yeah. 141 00:05:56,790 --> 00:05:59,630 It was such a weird feeling because it 142 00:05:59,650 --> 00:06:02,270 wasn't like I was thinking about it for, like, 143 00:06:02,330 --> 00:06:04,120 weeks on end. Should I do it? Should I? 144 00:06:04,140 --> 00:06:05,600 It just came out of nowhere one day, 145 00:06:05,620 --> 00:06:07,280 and the next day I was started, and I just, 146 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:08,790 I just started working on it, 147 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:10,140 started designing the website, 148 00:06:10,290 --> 00:06:11,440 and a month later, 149 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:13,940 we launched with one adventure. 150 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:15,280 I'm curious, like, 151 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:16,520 when you guys got that idea 152 00:06:16,540 --> 00:06:18,460 and you started immediately on it, 153 00:06:18,490 --> 00:06:19,250 have you always been, like, 154 00:06:19,270 --> 00:06:20,500 an action taker like that, 155 00:06:20,530 --> 00:06:22,020 where you get an idea and you start on it? 156 00:06:22,050 --> 00:06:24,250 Or was this because you were so passionate 157 00:06:24,350 --> 00:06:26,290 and you were aligned in your passions 158 00:06:26,390 --> 00:06:28,300 that you all of a sudden took action? 159 00:06:28,490 --> 00:06:30,180 There's only so much willpower you can 160 00:06:30,210 --> 00:06:31,870 have to do something you don't want to do, 161 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:33,590 and so I can do something for a week, 162 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:34,760 even if I don't really wanna do it, 163 00:06:34,770 --> 00:06:36,550 but I think it's good for me. So when, 164 00:06:36,580 --> 00:06:37,340 when you start, you know, 165 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:38,150 you're kind of all 166 00:06:38,180 --> 00:06:39,730 hyped up on this willpower, and you're really, 167 00:06:39,770 --> 00:06:40,480 you're ready to go. 168 00:06:40,530 --> 00:06:41,960 And then after a week, 169 00:06:42,090 --> 00:06:43,520 that's really when the test starts, 170 00:06:43,610 --> 00:06:45,610 is to see if you can stay consistent. 171 00:06:45,670 --> 00:06:47,130 I think that because of the passion, 172 00:06:47,170 --> 00:06:48,730 I was able to stay consistent over 173 00:06:48,750 --> 00:06:50,780 the last two years or year and a half. 174 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:52,610 Generally, though, I think I really 175 00:06:52,650 --> 00:06:54,270 like to get after it immediately, 176 00:06:54,770 --> 00:06:55,770 and then I just slowly 177 00:06:55,810 --> 00:06:57,620 teeter off in terms of willpower, 178 00:06:57,680 --> 00:06:59,060 and then that's when. Yeah, like I said, 179 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:02,100 the passion kind of holds you up and lets 180 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:05,020 you continue because you know you're not doing. 181 00:07:05,060 --> 00:07:06,800 Something you don't like with 182 00:07:06,950 --> 00:07:10,270 the adventures that you started. So, Rory, 183 00:07:10,330 --> 00:07:13,460 you were building these homebrew adventures for 184 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:15,480 a while because I'm on your website right now, 185 00:07:15,510 --> 00:07:17,700 and you guys have bunch of Homebrew 186 00:07:17,740 --> 00:07:20,090 adventures here available for purchase. 187 00:07:20,220 --> 00:07:21,780 How did you start making 188 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:23,500 these is really what I'm getting at. 189 00:07:23,620 --> 00:07:25,660 For that first session that I ran, 190 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:29,260 I ran the lost minds of Fanda lover. 191 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:31,960 I don't know if. Yeah. 192 00:07:33,010 --> 00:07:34,780 And then pretty much since then, 193 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:37,320 I've homebrewed adventures for better or worse, 194 00:07:37,450 --> 00:07:39,330 but I didn't actually start writing 195 00:07:39,370 --> 00:07:43,190 them down until October of 2020 196 00:07:43,530 --> 00:07:46,170 when we got the business going. Yeah, I mean, 197 00:07:46,290 --> 00:07:49,180 it's interesting because it's been a 198 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:51,050 conscious effort to try to fill out our library 199 00:07:51,070 --> 00:07:53,630 of adventures because we don't want to have 200 00:07:54,010 --> 00:07:56,750 a nice variety of adventures to choose from. 201 00:07:56,860 --> 00:07:58,550 Where do you get your ideas from? Or where 202 00:07:58,620 --> 00:08:00,660 do you get inspiration to create an adventure? 203 00:08:00,740 --> 00:08:02,930 I mean, it's tough because inspiration is. 204 00:08:03,020 --> 00:08:04,420 It's one of those things that's 205 00:08:04,500 --> 00:08:07,080 always creatively the question mark. 206 00:08:08,020 --> 00:08:09,220 And of course, 207 00:08:09,340 --> 00:08:11,660 there's not a single source of inspiration. 208 00:08:11,700 --> 00:08:12,740 I wish there was somewhere 209 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:14,220 I could just go and get inspiration, 210 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:17,030 but it's a myriad of things. 211 00:08:17,170 --> 00:08:19,780 I do my best to be consciously reading 212 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:22,130 a lot of fantasy because inspiration 213 00:08:22,180 --> 00:08:24,040 comes from there pretty often. And, you know, 214 00:08:24,070 --> 00:08:26,090 watching other D and D campaigns and whatnot, 215 00:08:26,220 --> 00:08:27,150 I can't remember the quote. 216 00:08:27,170 --> 00:08:29,990 There's something about if you're writing same 217 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:31,900 thing in a different style, it's plagiarism. 218 00:08:31,930 --> 00:08:33,669 But if you're taking from a bunch of different 219 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:35,240 sources and putting it into your work, 220 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:37,120 then it's not. 221 00:08:37,299 --> 00:08:38,559 There's a lot of that going on 222 00:08:38,580 --> 00:08:40,080 where I have an idea from 223 00:08:40,100 --> 00:08:42,690 a book and it's. I can't, you know, obviously, 224 00:08:42,710 --> 00:08:43,299 I'm not going to write 225 00:08:43,330 --> 00:08:44,540 out just the plot line of the book, 226 00:08:44,570 --> 00:08:46,960 but I love taking a small part and then 227 00:08:47,020 --> 00:08:50,100 figuring out how that small part can turn into 228 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:54,270 something more than it just was. 229 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:56,160 There's a podcast I'm listening to, and 230 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:59,010 they totally reference a part from the rock. 231 00:08:59,070 --> 00:08:59,800 They're trying to get 232 00:08:59,820 --> 00:09:03,720 onto this island that's a supermax. 233 00:09:03,860 --> 00:09:07,130 And the DM starts explaining that 234 00:09:07,190 --> 00:09:09,190 there's actually a furnace system that'll 235 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:11,080 dump the trash into the ocean after 236 00:09:11,100 --> 00:09:13,460 it's been put through the furnace. And the. 237 00:09:13,530 --> 00:09:15,310 The players are like, you're talking, like, 238 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:18,160 the rock, and he's like, wait, what? Like, 239 00:09:18,220 --> 00:09:19,620 the rock? Like, oh, my God, 240 00:09:19,650 --> 00:09:21,100 it totally is. You know, sometimes 241 00:09:21,130 --> 00:09:23,600 it's a subconscious inspiration. He's like, 242 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:24,990 that was not intentional, 243 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:28,130 but I came up with exactly that movie. 244 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:30,060 And, I mean, some of the stuff is like, 245 00:09:30,110 --> 00:09:31,410 that is cool. 246 00:09:31,560 --> 00:09:32,550 Being subconsciously 247 00:09:32,590 --> 00:09:34,360 inspired by the rock is cool. 248 00:09:34,460 --> 00:09:35,690 One of our adventures, 249 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:39,260 the one called a foul endeavor, is. I 250 00:09:39,270 --> 00:09:40,670 don't know if I should be ashamed to say this, 251 00:09:40,690 --> 00:09:43,870 but it's almost entirely based off that thing. 252 00:09:43,990 --> 00:09:45,290 Would you rather fight a horse 253 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:47,570 sized duck or 100 duck sized horses? 254 00:09:48,430 --> 00:09:49,690 That sounds funny. 255 00:09:50,110 --> 00:09:50,470 Yeah. 256 00:09:50,490 --> 00:09:52,160 I mean, that was. I was like, you know, 257 00:09:52,180 --> 00:09:52,730 it's d and d. 258 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:54,380 I bet I can build a duck sized 259 00:09:54,430 --> 00:09:56,640 horse and turn it into something bigger. 260 00:09:56,720 --> 00:09:58,130 I want to keep that duck. 261 00:09:58,270 --> 00:09:59,940 That would be a great mount. 262 00:10:00,090 --> 00:10:00,820 Yeah. 263 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:03,870 Can you talk a little bit about what are some 264 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:05,970 of these things you do consistently or that 265 00:10:05,990 --> 00:10:08,240 you needed to do consistently to really build? 266 00:10:08,380 --> 00:10:11,140 Yeah, no, totally. Like, like, so you want to. 267 00:10:11,210 --> 00:10:12,890 For me personally, like, 268 00:10:13,070 --> 00:10:14,480 I always make 269 00:10:14,500 --> 00:10:18,120 sure I check my email and. And, like, 270 00:10:18,260 --> 00:10:20,010 go through the orders every day, 271 00:10:20,150 --> 00:10:21,280 no matter what. Even if that's, like, 272 00:10:21,300 --> 00:10:23,620 the only thing I am doing that day, 273 00:10:24,190 --> 00:10:26,830 I always try and do at least that. 274 00:10:26,970 --> 00:10:29,010 And the reason is because you want to have 275 00:10:29,310 --> 00:10:32,330 some framework or keep it on your mind. Right. 276 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:34,710 Keep it in the front. 277 00:10:34,850 --> 00:10:36,850 You're not forgetting about the 278 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:38,570 things you have to do that are important. 279 00:10:38,950 --> 00:10:41,150 And a part of that is stress, in a way. 280 00:10:41,250 --> 00:10:42,300 A part of it's like, hey, 281 00:10:42,350 --> 00:10:44,530 I've got a thing I need to take care of, 282 00:10:45,230 --> 00:10:47,540 but stress can be good 283 00:10:47,710 --> 00:10:49,500 if you get it behind you and you 284 00:10:49,510 --> 00:10:52,010 get it pushing you forward to your goals. 285 00:10:52,540 --> 00:10:53,450 Put my stress behind 286 00:10:53,500 --> 00:10:54,350 me instead of in front of me, 287 00:10:54,370 --> 00:10:55,400 so it's not holding me back, 288 00:10:55,430 --> 00:10:56,470 it's pushing me forward. 289 00:10:56,610 --> 00:10:59,010 So checking the orders on a day to day basis, 290 00:10:59,100 --> 00:11:00,660 definitely something that you're doing 291 00:11:00,680 --> 00:11:03,210 to even keep that mind on top of it. 292 00:11:03,300 --> 00:11:04,640 What about for you, Rory, with, like, 293 00:11:04,670 --> 00:11:06,020 the adventures? Are there, like, 294 00:11:06,060 --> 00:11:08,210 daily things you do to keep yourself 295 00:11:08,340 --> 00:11:09,970 motivated in writing or to create 296 00:11:10,020 --> 00:11:12,080 these things or for the business that way? 297 00:11:12,500 --> 00:11:12,890 Yeah. 298 00:11:12,940 --> 00:11:16,540 So, consistency is hard with writing 299 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:17,940 because there are absolutely 300 00:11:17,980 --> 00:11:19,890 days where I want to write, 301 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:22,390 and there's nothing in my head, 302 00:11:22,490 --> 00:11:26,220 but having distinct goals has been key, 303 00:11:26,270 --> 00:11:26,870 and that's something that 304 00:11:26,890 --> 00:11:27,950 I have struggled to do myself. 305 00:11:27,990 --> 00:11:28,600 And it's like you were 306 00:11:28,620 --> 00:11:30,740 talking about having a partner. Absolutely. 307 00:11:30,830 --> 00:11:32,100 Knowing Eric needs an 308 00:11:32,110 --> 00:11:33,360 adventure at the end of the month, 309 00:11:33,460 --> 00:11:36,030 send on a product page has been great 310 00:11:36,110 --> 00:11:38,420 because it's okay if I don't write for a day. 311 00:11:38,470 --> 00:11:39,320 It's not okay if I don't write 312 00:11:39,340 --> 00:11:40,790 for a month or a month and a half. 313 00:11:40,850 --> 00:11:42,270 And that not being a question, 314 00:11:42,410 --> 00:11:45,000 it being a necessity that I write something 315 00:11:45,060 --> 00:11:46,850 by the end of the month has been huge. 316 00:11:46,950 --> 00:11:48,520 The other thing I found is just 317 00:11:48,650 --> 00:11:50,180 when we were starting out and 318 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:51,910 we wanted to sell adventures and dice, 319 00:11:51,980 --> 00:11:52,740 and I was in charge 320 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:57,510 of the adventures and we had one, was daunting. 321 00:11:57,620 --> 00:12:01,570 So the only thing that I've found to stop it 322 00:12:01,610 --> 00:12:04,260 being daunting is doing it consistently. Like, 323 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:05,330 you're never going to sit down and 324 00:12:05,370 --> 00:12:07,100 write twelve adventures or a 20 325 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:11,060 level campaign in a week or a month. 326 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:12,900 Even that will never happen. 327 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:15,360 So the only thing that stops it 328 00:12:15,410 --> 00:12:19,010 being terrifying is doing it consistently. And, 329 00:12:19,090 --> 00:12:20,190 you know, for, again, for me, 330 00:12:20,220 --> 00:12:21,890 consistently has been a month, 331 00:12:22,010 --> 00:12:23,050 and that's been fine. 332 00:12:23,150 --> 00:12:28,750 I wanted to ask about the dice making process. 333 00:12:29,050 --> 00:12:31,310 We don't need to get into the weeds too much, 334 00:12:31,650 --> 00:12:33,350 but I don't know a lot about it. 335 00:12:33,380 --> 00:12:36,370 And I'm curious primarily what your process 336 00:12:36,450 --> 00:12:40,230 is for creating them and where they are made. 337 00:12:40,330 --> 00:12:41,870 Yeah, for sure. No. So we 338 00:12:41,910 --> 00:12:44,140 work with suppliers overseas. 339 00:12:44,230 --> 00:12:46,000 I basically reach out to 340 00:12:46,140 --> 00:12:48,740 agents and suppliers overseas in China, 341 00:12:48,910 --> 00:12:50,670 and I found two really 342 00:12:50,710 --> 00:12:53,080 good ones in September and October. 343 00:12:53,260 --> 00:12:55,430 And it's the same two suppliers 344 00:12:55,450 --> 00:12:57,220 that we've been working with to this day. 345 00:12:57,310 --> 00:12:58,590 So one of the suppliers 346 00:12:58,690 --> 00:13:00,340 is all the sharp edge dice, all 347 00:13:00,350 --> 00:13:02,370 the sharp edge sets that you see on the site. 348 00:13:02,670 --> 00:13:04,170 They do that side of things, 349 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:05,770 and then all the other 350 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:07,510 dice are done by the other supplier. 351 00:13:07,610 --> 00:13:09,190 And so we've been, um, 352 00:13:09,350 --> 00:13:12,690 working with them in a kind of close knit 353 00:13:12,990 --> 00:13:16,180 system and talking every day about, you know, 354 00:13:16,230 --> 00:13:18,380 new orders and what's out 355 00:13:18,390 --> 00:13:20,230 of stock and what needs to be done. 356 00:13:20,410 --> 00:13:22,170 But in terms of the manufacturing, 357 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:25,110 that isn't an area of expertise I have. So I 358 00:13:25,130 --> 00:13:27,540 do need assistance for that process. You know, 359 00:13:27,550 --> 00:13:29,970 I would love to be amazing at everything, 360 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:31,350 but unfortunately, I can't be. 361 00:13:31,370 --> 00:13:32,090 Wouldn't we all? 362 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:33,510 Yeah, so, so that is. 363 00:13:33,570 --> 00:13:35,550 That is one area where, yeah, 364 00:13:35,610 --> 00:13:36,880 we basically outsource that. 365 00:13:36,980 --> 00:13:38,560 And we have a team that does that for us. 366 00:13:38,620 --> 00:13:39,220 And they've been. 367 00:13:39,270 --> 00:13:40,900 They've been really good to us, 368 00:13:41,020 --> 00:13:42,820 worked with us since the beginning, got 369 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:45,090 us set up with the amazing dice bags we have. 370 00:13:45,220 --> 00:13:45,800 One of the things 371 00:13:45,830 --> 00:13:47,820 I really like about your product, too, 372 00:13:47,860 --> 00:13:49,780 is the way it comes. Just like, you 373 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:52,700 have this lovely box that you open and it says, 374 00:13:52,740 --> 00:13:54,220 only crits on the top there. 375 00:13:54,300 --> 00:13:55,140 And it's just like, 376 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:57,490 it's a very nice setup when you receive them, 377 00:13:57,580 --> 00:13:58,120 even the one. 378 00:13:58,150 --> 00:14:00,440 Because I've now got a number of your die sets. 379 00:14:00,470 --> 00:14:01,340 I have the ones that 380 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:03,500 are the holo die die sets, because you, 381 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:04,050 I remember when you 382 00:14:04,060 --> 00:14:05,260 guys only had the plastic ones. Like, 383 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:06,970 you only had polymers at first, I think, 384 00:14:07,020 --> 00:14:08,860 and then you then had metal ones, 385 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:10,740 and then you started to expand beyond that. 386 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:12,120 Now you have hollow dice with, like, 387 00:14:12,150 --> 00:14:14,030 little dragons in them that are awesome. 388 00:14:14,130 --> 00:14:16,140 And stone dice. 389 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:17,900 I had to get the stone dice, too. 390 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:19,770 I just. Yeah, they're, they're awesome. 391 00:14:19,820 --> 00:14:21,100 So there were so many. 392 00:14:21,180 --> 00:14:22,180 There's so much expansion 393 00:14:22,220 --> 00:14:24,300 that has happened along the way. Now. 394 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:25,540 How do you decide on, like, 395 00:14:25,580 --> 00:14:28,170 adding new products and are there new products 396 00:14:28,220 --> 00:14:29,620 on the way that we can look forward to? 397 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:31,470 Yes, we are planning 398 00:14:31,490 --> 00:14:33,900 to add new products, definitely. The. 399 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:34,690 The products are kind of 400 00:14:34,700 --> 00:14:37,030 like a slow roll in all the time. 401 00:14:37,180 --> 00:14:39,120 And how do you decide? 402 00:14:39,170 --> 00:14:42,010 I mean, that's difficult, right? Like, I've 403 00:14:42,030 --> 00:14:46,280 always tried to find just beautiful sets, and 404 00:14:46,290 --> 00:14:47,890 there hasn't been, like, a specific, like, oh, 405 00:14:47,910 --> 00:14:48,820 it has to be metal or 406 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:50,830 it has to be hollow or anything, because 407 00:14:50,900 --> 00:14:52,930 we've sold all different sorts of stuff. 408 00:14:53,030 --> 00:14:54,670 I do like for them to be high quality, 409 00:14:54,780 --> 00:14:55,410 that's one of, like, 410 00:14:55,430 --> 00:14:56,160 the main thing is. 411 00:14:56,210 --> 00:14:57,450 So it's definitely 412 00:14:57,510 --> 00:15:00,420 customer satisfaction. Right. And, like, 413 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:01,590 so getting feedback, like, 414 00:15:01,620 --> 00:15:02,870 I've taken stuff off 415 00:15:02,940 --> 00:15:05,340 the store before after realizing, like, 416 00:15:05,420 --> 00:15:07,220 this isn't a good product or getting 417 00:15:07,260 --> 00:15:09,480 too much negative feedback because 418 00:15:09,670 --> 00:15:11,240 you learn from your mistakes, basically. 419 00:15:11,310 --> 00:15:13,370 Right. Like, it's got to 420 00:15:13,380 --> 00:15:14,570 be a high quality product, 421 00:15:14,620 --> 00:15:15,470 and it's got to look good. 422 00:15:15,530 --> 00:15:17,440 And this is something I learned 423 00:15:17,550 --> 00:15:19,600 is that if it's nice for me, it might 424 00:15:19,630 --> 00:15:21,400 not be nice for someone else and vice versa. 425 00:15:21,430 --> 00:15:23,870 So I've held off putting things in the 426 00:15:23,890 --> 00:15:26,260 store because I didn't really like the look of 427 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:30,720 or the designs or style, and then, like, people 428 00:15:30,770 --> 00:15:34,330 love them. Right. And, you know, it's like, 429 00:15:34,490 --> 00:15:35,610 whose ice cream flavors 430 00:15:35,650 --> 00:15:37,390 is the best one of those things. 431 00:15:37,460 --> 00:15:38,010 Totally. 432 00:15:38,110 --> 00:15:39,710 Is that, like, the ducky dice? Because 433 00:15:39,740 --> 00:15:42,550 I saw the ducky dice and I was like, that's 434 00:15:42,580 --> 00:15:45,350 such a unique sort of dice to put on there. 435 00:15:45,420 --> 00:15:46,530 And is that one you loved 436 00:15:46,550 --> 00:15:48,490 or was that kind of like, oh, man, the fans. 437 00:15:48,590 --> 00:15:50,140 Everyone loves that one. Every. 438 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:52,330 No one doesn't like that dice. No one. 439 00:15:52,350 --> 00:15:54,470 I've never heard a bad thing about that one. 440 00:15:54,930 --> 00:15:55,530 It's perfect. 441 00:15:55,570 --> 00:15:56,340 It goes with the, 442 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:57,840 with the duck adventure, too. 443 00:15:57,970 --> 00:15:59,430 That was the point, actually. Yeah. 444 00:15:59,500 --> 00:16:00,840 So if you buy that set, 445 00:16:00,890 --> 00:16:02,300 that adventure comes for free, 446 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:03,330 included with it, 447 00:16:03,410 --> 00:16:04,800 because that's one of our best sellers. 448 00:16:04,850 --> 00:16:06,430 People always love that set. So we're like, oh, 449 00:16:06,460 --> 00:16:07,620 let's give an adventure with it. 450 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:09,650 Yeah. I think that's really a neat idea 451 00:16:09,750 --> 00:16:10,950 that you guys are doing that, 452 00:16:10,980 --> 00:16:13,350 adventures and dice together, and then they, 453 00:16:13,460 --> 00:16:15,090 they overlap with the theme. 454 00:16:15,170 --> 00:16:17,530 I really like that. Okay, so, disclaimer, 455 00:16:17,570 --> 00:16:18,500 I am not a guy. I'm 456 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:21,220 not a dice goblin. I don't. I have my, like, 457 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:22,220 six sets of dice, 458 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:24,540 and I'm pretty happy. I mean, granted, 459 00:16:24,590 --> 00:16:26,540 I will see beautiful dice and go, like, 460 00:16:26,590 --> 00:16:28,430 I'll drool a little bit, and then 461 00:16:28,450 --> 00:16:30,460 I'll just be like, okay, well, that's nice. 462 00:16:30,590 --> 00:16:31,810 But I do see 463 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:33,600 what you guys make and think, like, wow, 464 00:16:33,660 --> 00:16:35,530 an adventure with it. 465 00:16:35,950 --> 00:16:36,770 Ooh. 466 00:16:37,070 --> 00:16:39,440 That might be the extra little incentive 467 00:16:39,500 --> 00:16:41,070 I needed to actually buy these dice 468 00:16:41,110 --> 00:16:42,740 that I already thought were really cool. 469 00:16:42,870 --> 00:16:43,700 What are some advice? 470 00:16:43,750 --> 00:16:45,440 If someone else wanted to 471 00:16:45,580 --> 00:16:47,710 get started in a D and d business, like, what 472 00:16:47,730 --> 00:16:49,300 advice would you give them just starting out? 473 00:16:49,350 --> 00:16:50,690 That's a hard question. Rory, 474 00:16:50,710 --> 00:16:51,490 what do you think? 475 00:16:51,630 --> 00:16:52,320 I would say, 476 00:16:52,410 --> 00:16:54,600 keep in mind above all else, 477 00:16:54,730 --> 00:16:57,390 that this is a hobby for fun. 478 00:16:57,500 --> 00:16:59,160 I think it's really easy to get 479 00:16:59,210 --> 00:17:01,890 caught up in the weeds of D and D rules. 480 00:17:01,990 --> 00:17:04,010 The D and D community can sometimes be 481 00:17:04,030 --> 00:17:07,670 overwhelming just the breadth of professional 482 00:17:07,819 --> 00:17:11,050 DM's and players that now exist online. 483 00:17:11,230 --> 00:17:13,119 And that is great. 484 00:17:13,250 --> 00:17:16,650 It's excellent on the whole for the hobby, 485 00:17:16,780 --> 00:17:18,109 but it doesn't change the 486 00:17:18,130 --> 00:17:20,720 fact D and D is a hobby for fun. So if 487 00:17:20,740 --> 00:17:22,770 you're going to try to make money off of that, 488 00:17:22,839 --> 00:17:24,930 it doesn't have to be this big, professional, 489 00:17:25,079 --> 00:17:26,609 perfect business. 490 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:28,700 It's just something that lets people 491 00:17:28,830 --> 00:17:31,590 have more fun or fun easier. Obviously, 492 00:17:31,610 --> 00:17:32,910 that's not really business advice. 493 00:17:32,990 --> 00:17:34,710 That's great advice, actually. 494 00:17:34,850 --> 00:17:36,390 I would just say, like, I'm, like, 495 00:17:36,430 --> 00:17:37,840 so glad that that came out 496 00:17:37,900 --> 00:17:40,270 because how easy is it to get? 497 00:17:40,310 --> 00:17:43,350 Because you are fostering people having fun. 498 00:17:43,420 --> 00:17:45,370 That is what this game does. 499 00:17:45,450 --> 00:17:47,220 And if you're not in alignment with that, 500 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:48,410 it's gonna be very hard 501 00:17:48,450 --> 00:17:50,240 to be successful in this market. 502 00:17:50,410 --> 00:17:51,950 I think that's really smart advice. 503 00:17:52,060 --> 00:17:53,450 I think leading off of that, 504 00:17:53,610 --> 00:17:55,050 one thing we also stressed since the 505 00:17:55,070 --> 00:17:58,400 start is not making everything perfect, hiding 506 00:17:58,490 --> 00:18:01,290 or not swearing or using cursed language. 507 00:18:01,430 --> 00:18:02,950 We try to be reserved, 508 00:18:03,100 --> 00:18:04,630 but we also like to have 509 00:18:04,660 --> 00:18:07,590 fun and poke with our emails, 510 00:18:07,780 --> 00:18:09,330 our blog posts, 511 00:18:09,500 --> 00:18:11,110 some of our techs, like. Like, 512 00:18:11,150 --> 00:18:13,330 we're people too fucking right. 513 00:18:14,590 --> 00:18:15,530 There you go. 514 00:18:17,190 --> 00:18:20,320 I was wondering if you two could go into 515 00:18:20,380 --> 00:18:23,630 a little bit of the nitty gritty of marketing, 516 00:18:23,710 --> 00:18:26,510 because how people get started 517 00:18:26,670 --> 00:18:29,020 in a business is they got to get clients. And 518 00:18:29,030 --> 00:18:31,070 I'm curious for you guys getting started, like, 519 00:18:31,090 --> 00:18:31,640 because you said, I 520 00:18:31,660 --> 00:18:32,470 go check the emails 521 00:18:32,490 --> 00:18:34,130 every day for orders and stuff. I'm curious, 522 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:35,380 how does that actually happen? 523 00:18:35,500 --> 00:18:38,030 So the biggest thing for us. 524 00:18:38,220 --> 00:18:41,690 And kind of what my most amount of 525 00:18:41,710 --> 00:18:43,850 experience and knowledge was was marketing. 526 00:18:43,990 --> 00:18:46,170 And that was specifically on Facebook. 527 00:18:46,290 --> 00:18:47,710 Facebook and Instagram, 528 00:18:48,010 --> 00:18:49,810 and running ads on there. 529 00:18:49,970 --> 00:18:52,540 And that would be videos and photos kind of, 530 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:54,300 and having that promoted through Facebook 531 00:18:54,360 --> 00:18:56,350 and Instagram to get more eyes on them, 532 00:18:56,810 --> 00:18:58,570 and then branching out from there, 533 00:18:58,650 --> 00:19:02,160 reaching out to influencers on Instagram, um, 534 00:19:02,220 --> 00:19:02,920 when I got started, 535 00:19:02,980 --> 00:19:04,510 that was a big thing I did 536 00:19:04,610 --> 00:19:05,550 when I reached out to Chris 537 00:19:05,590 --> 00:19:08,990 and I think in October, um, and, you know, 538 00:19:09,050 --> 00:19:10,530 50 other people just like you. 539 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:12,040 I think one of the biggest things when 540 00:19:12,060 --> 00:19:14,850 you're starting a business is you need to 541 00:19:15,510 --> 00:19:18,150 be okay with not getting responded to because 542 00:19:18,330 --> 00:19:20,990 it's not going to happen 100% of the time. 543 00:19:21,150 --> 00:19:22,670 It's more likely going to happen 544 00:19:22,750 --> 00:19:25,360 five to 10% of the time. So, you know, 545 00:19:25,380 --> 00:19:26,650 when I want to do a big 546 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:28,900 kind of reach out to influencers, 547 00:19:29,060 --> 00:19:31,130 I'm going to reach out to a lot of them. 548 00:19:31,230 --> 00:19:32,320 And the ones that respond, 549 00:19:32,370 --> 00:19:34,950 I'm going to hold onto. So, happy, right. 550 00:19:35,410 --> 00:19:36,800 It's hard when you're starting, 551 00:19:36,850 --> 00:19:38,980 you have no followers, you have nothing. 552 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:40,530 You don't have anything to show for yourself. 553 00:19:40,610 --> 00:19:43,210 So why would someone want to work with you, 554 00:19:43,250 --> 00:19:45,750 talk to you, promote your products? You 555 00:19:45,780 --> 00:19:48,250 really have to reach out to a lot of people. 556 00:19:48,370 --> 00:19:49,960 And then the ones that do respond, 557 00:19:50,010 --> 00:19:50,810 you have to treat well, 558 00:19:50,870 --> 00:19:52,010 and you have to be respectful, 559 00:19:52,030 --> 00:19:53,170 and you have to be professional. 560 00:19:53,270 --> 00:19:55,580 Your emails need to be very, very well done. 561 00:19:55,690 --> 00:19:57,950 And then from there, after Instagram, 562 00:19:58,090 --> 00:20:00,650 recently we've branched to YouTube. 563 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:03,020 So we've been working with 564 00:20:03,190 --> 00:20:05,890 a youtuber named Bob Worldbuilder recently, 565 00:20:06,470 --> 00:20:09,200 and he has amazing, funny, 566 00:20:09,300 --> 00:20:11,750 down to earth style of YouTube video. 567 00:20:11,790 --> 00:20:12,630 And I just love them. 568 00:20:12,670 --> 00:20:13,310 He's great. 569 00:20:13,430 --> 00:20:14,130 He's great. 570 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:15,530 I watched Bob the builder. 571 00:20:16,030 --> 00:20:17,560 Can we just say what his name is again? 572 00:20:17,620 --> 00:20:18,310 Bob the what? 573 00:20:18,370 --> 00:20:20,350 Bob World builder. So, yeah, 574 00:20:20,390 --> 00:20:21,930 reaching out to youtubers 575 00:20:22,700 --> 00:20:25,390 and then creating a brand of your own. 576 00:20:25,530 --> 00:20:29,940 So that would be more Rory's style of work. 577 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:31,760 Yeah. When you guys have a fairly distinct 578 00:20:31,790 --> 00:20:33,420 brand from the logo all the way through, like, 579 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:35,080 the visuals and stuff you do, like, 580 00:20:35,110 --> 00:20:36,300 what are some of the things you did to 581 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:38,440 decide on that branding and maybe 582 00:20:38,550 --> 00:20:39,620 tell us a little bit more about what 583 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:41,320 is your brand if you had to define it. 584 00:20:41,430 --> 00:20:44,420 And, I mean, it's hard to define a brand 585 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:47,820 because especially two years in is both 586 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:50,030 a long time and a short time where it's like, 587 00:20:50,130 --> 00:20:50,900 and it's hard to sum 588 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:52,840 up a brand without talking about, 589 00:20:52,990 --> 00:20:54,330 without being able to see 590 00:20:54,420 --> 00:20:56,490 our images and our covers and. 591 00:20:56,580 --> 00:20:58,620 But to that end, in terms of, like, 592 00:20:58,740 --> 00:21:00,860 the process we went through to, 593 00:21:00,980 --> 00:21:02,500 to build some of those 594 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:05,520 things is almost from the inside. 595 00:21:05,550 --> 00:21:07,010 It's not disappointing, but it's, 596 00:21:07,060 --> 00:21:09,780 it's a lot more practical than I thought 597 00:21:09,860 --> 00:21:12,000 branding was before we got into this, 598 00:21:12,070 --> 00:21:14,860 right down to the, the URL. Like, we had to, 599 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:16,040 we had to get the, 600 00:21:16,180 --> 00:21:17,460 the URL for the website that 601 00:21:17,470 --> 00:21:18,770 we were going to sell our dice on. 602 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:21,110 And that was a process of like, well, 603 00:21:21,130 --> 00:21:22,780 you have to buy the name and 604 00:21:22,950 --> 00:21:25,870 names are different prices for websites, 605 00:21:25,910 --> 00:21:28,930 so we're not just going to buy dice.com 606 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:29,900 even if it was available 607 00:21:29,990 --> 00:21:31,790 because it was going to be expensive. 608 00:21:31,870 --> 00:21:34,240 And so it's a trade off between, oh, 609 00:21:34,260 --> 00:21:35,060 we think this is 610 00:21:35,150 --> 00:21:38,530 going to be memorable, unique, affordable, 611 00:21:38,830 --> 00:21:41,030 and that for the first little bit, 612 00:21:41,050 --> 00:21:42,970 sort of carried through. I mean, 613 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:45,450 Eric like designed our logo because 614 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:47,590 he could and because part of it was 615 00:21:47,610 --> 00:21:49,840 to keep it simple so that we would 616 00:21:49,860 --> 00:21:52,080 be remembered when people saw the logo. We're 617 00:21:52,140 --> 00:21:55,120 slowly and doing our best to build that out. 618 00:21:55,140 --> 00:21:55,770 I mean, we're 619 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:57,910 really looking now to start to 620 00:21:57,930 --> 00:21:59,850 find artists that we can work with 621 00:21:59,880 --> 00:22:02,350 consistently and branch out so that it's 622 00:22:02,390 --> 00:22:04,730 not just the two of us doing, doing everything, 623 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:05,670 but I mean, 624 00:22:05,690 --> 00:22:08,180 that is an insubstantial thing to, 625 00:22:08,250 --> 00:22:10,980 to grab ahold of is brand. 626 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:13,730 So it honestly means a lot just to hear 627 00:22:13,750 --> 00:22:15,350 you say that we do have a brand and you 628 00:22:15,360 --> 00:22:16,960 can see it because it's like, oh, thank God. 629 00:22:17,060 --> 00:22:17,980 I don't think, 630 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:20,760 I think that only crits is fundamentally 631 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:23,210 like a minimalistic dice company. 632 00:22:23,310 --> 00:22:24,700 From the website design 633 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:27,180 layout to the color scheme, 634 00:22:27,210 --> 00:22:30,540 I tried to keep everything very minimalistic 635 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:33,020 and a part of that is to stand out. 636 00:22:33,050 --> 00:22:35,410 Like a lot of other websites are quite busy. 637 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:37,020 So I tried to make things 638 00:22:37,100 --> 00:22:39,300 simple in terms of the interface. 639 00:22:39,340 --> 00:22:40,660 So when you come to the site, 640 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:41,740 you know what's going on, 641 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:43,100 it's right there and 642 00:22:43,120 --> 00:22:44,750 you can choose whatever you want, 643 00:22:44,930 --> 00:22:46,580 but it's not like you've got, you know, 644 00:22:46,620 --> 00:22:47,820 50 different options. 645 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,320 So one of them is just minimalism 646 00:22:51,100 --> 00:22:54,220 and then the next thing is quality, 647 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:56,080 keeping things very high quality. 648 00:22:56,540 --> 00:22:57,700 So you kind of have the 649 00:22:57,740 --> 00:23:00,190 aspect of very professional brand, 650 00:23:00,370 --> 00:23:01,870 but then kind of on the back end, 651 00:23:01,890 --> 00:23:03,040 once you dig in a little deeper, 652 00:23:03,070 --> 00:23:04,150 then we're goofy and we have 653 00:23:04,170 --> 00:23:06,160 these silly adventures and 654 00:23:06,890 --> 00:23:09,190 we send out emails that are quite funny. 655 00:23:09,610 --> 00:23:11,390 So kind of once you get 656 00:23:11,420 --> 00:23:13,870 into the rabbit hole a bit more, it develops. 657 00:23:14,370 --> 00:23:15,820 But on the front side it 658 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:17,700 is very minimalistic and professional. 659 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:19,150 One other thing that's really important, 660 00:23:19,220 --> 00:23:20,750 I think that a lot of people forget 661 00:23:20,820 --> 00:23:22,410 when you're making a brand is colors. 662 00:23:22,510 --> 00:23:24,290 You really want to stick to a color. 663 00:23:24,430 --> 00:23:25,470 And once you find it. 664 00:23:25,500 --> 00:23:26,590 Whatever works, 665 00:23:27,130 --> 00:23:28,130 stick to it. 666 00:23:28,270 --> 00:23:29,310 For new business owners, 667 00:23:29,340 --> 00:23:30,520 it's not something very, 668 00:23:30,610 --> 00:23:32,110 very known or talked about. 669 00:23:32,590 --> 00:23:34,730 We picked purple and it's been great. 670 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:35,550 So we use white, 671 00:23:35,590 --> 00:23:37,620 black and purple and that's it. Very simple. 672 00:23:37,710 --> 00:23:38,950 I love purple. 673 00:23:39,130 --> 00:23:43,710 I love using that as a royal kind of pop color. 674 00:23:43,770 --> 00:23:45,330 And I'll just say that while we've 675 00:23:45,360 --> 00:23:46,980 talked to a number of other people 676 00:23:47,070 --> 00:23:49,470 who have their own nerdpreneur businesses, 677 00:23:49,530 --> 00:23:50,910 this color thing 678 00:23:50,950 --> 00:23:54,280 has been a common theme, I think, about melogy, 679 00:23:54,340 --> 00:23:56,290 who was the harpist 680 00:23:57,150 --> 00:23:59,190 doing celtic and video game music. 681 00:23:59,270 --> 00:24:00,870 She's got a very distinctive 682 00:24:01,020 --> 00:24:05,000 pink style to her vibe. And, you know, 683 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:07,560 you guys have the purple and I know, like, 684 00:24:07,580 --> 00:24:08,960 when we're talking to Zephir games, 685 00:24:09,020 --> 00:24:11,190 they have a lot of ideas around colors for 686 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:13,460 their board game that they were deciding on. 687 00:24:13,490 --> 00:24:15,600 And so I just think 688 00:24:15,740 --> 00:24:17,560 it's not something to take for granted. 689 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:19,780 That consistency with that stuff really 690 00:24:19,850 --> 00:24:21,680 makes a difference in keeping people, 691 00:24:21,820 --> 00:24:23,400 keeping you recognizable. 692 00:24:23,500 --> 00:24:24,300 You know, it's, 693 00:24:24,330 --> 00:24:25,330 it's part of a brand 694 00:24:25,390 --> 00:24:27,870 that you have to be recognizable. 695 00:24:28,010 --> 00:24:29,870 And that visual aspect, especially 696 00:24:29,930 --> 00:24:32,980 on a medium like Facebook or Instagram, 697 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:34,470 where you're placing ads, 698 00:24:34,570 --> 00:24:36,140 it has to be recognizable. 699 00:24:36,300 --> 00:24:37,480 Especially when it's so busy, 700 00:24:37,510 --> 00:24:39,420 like you want it to pop up for like a 701 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:41,790 millisecond and instantly know what it is like. 702 00:24:41,850 --> 00:24:43,380 A lot of youtubers will have the same 703 00:24:43,420 --> 00:24:45,520 style of thumbnail for that exact reason. 704 00:24:45,590 --> 00:24:46,090 Do you design 705 00:24:46,140 --> 00:24:48,380 all your own Instagram ads, for example, 706 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:49,040 like the ones that 707 00:24:49,070 --> 00:24:50,340 come up on the stories and things? 708 00:24:50,380 --> 00:24:51,610 Do you design all those? 709 00:24:51,780 --> 00:24:54,980 Yep, pretty much. Pretty much all of it. 710 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:56,650 Especially when we got started 711 00:24:56,710 --> 00:24:59,760 and the budget was very small. So, like, 712 00:24:59,860 --> 00:25:01,480 me designing the logo, like, 713 00:25:01,620 --> 00:25:03,830 I don't know a lot of photoshop, 714 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:08,080 but I know enough to make that. And, you know, 715 00:25:08,100 --> 00:25:09,560 that that helps with the simplest 716 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:11,090 simplicity because I don't have 717 00:25:11,110 --> 00:25:13,820 to do something super complex as well. 718 00:25:13,850 --> 00:25:15,300 So it works hand in hand. 719 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:17,440 And then for the ads and 720 00:25:17,540 --> 00:25:19,520 kind of getting photos and videos, 721 00:25:19,620 --> 00:25:22,960 part of it's been me filming and taking photos. 722 00:25:22,990 --> 00:25:24,980 And then we've also worked with a bunch 723 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,230 of awesome people throughout Vancouver, 724 00:25:27,410 --> 00:25:28,580 people that I know and 725 00:25:28,620 --> 00:25:30,500 people that I've hired as well. 726 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:32,830 We have so many great photos and videos now. 727 00:25:32,890 --> 00:25:33,970 They're dice bags and 728 00:25:33,980 --> 00:25:35,680 then we use those and run ads. 729 00:25:35,790 --> 00:25:38,080 So you would like hire, say, for example, 730 00:25:38,150 --> 00:25:40,910 a videographer or a professional 731 00:25:40,970 --> 00:25:43,030 photographer to take shots of your 732 00:25:43,130 --> 00:25:46,420 dice or products and then would 733 00:25:46,460 --> 00:25:48,340 you put it all together into an ad? 734 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:50,220 Or is that something that I would. 735 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:51,760 Put it together into an ad? That's correct. 736 00:25:51,850 --> 00:25:52,810 I was just going to say, like, 737 00:25:52,830 --> 00:25:53,530 I was going to ask, what 738 00:25:53,570 --> 00:25:56,500 program are you using to design those ads? 739 00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:58,100 Yeah, so for the video ads, 740 00:25:58,120 --> 00:25:59,880 I use a program called Animoto, 741 00:26:00,010 --> 00:26:00,850 and that's a 742 00:26:00,870 --> 00:26:03,970 simple drag and drop. Video files, photo files, 743 00:26:04,090 --> 00:26:05,410 and then a little bit of text. 744 00:26:05,530 --> 00:26:07,800 So it's really easy to use. 745 00:26:07,930 --> 00:26:10,420 It's nothing crazy like premiere. Like, 746 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:11,970 you need to kind of have some understanding 747 00:26:11,990 --> 00:26:13,370 in premiere to use it, whereas this, like, 748 00:26:13,410 --> 00:26:15,110 drag and drop, very simple. 749 00:26:15,610 --> 00:26:16,520 And that's all I need. 750 00:26:16,570 --> 00:26:18,640 As long as the shots are good, right? 751 00:26:18,660 --> 00:26:21,600 The most important thing is photos of the dice. 752 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:22,780 What I love about what you're 753 00:26:22,810 --> 00:26:24,960 saying is that it doesn't have 754 00:26:24,980 --> 00:26:27,330 to be perfect for it to get started. 755 00:26:27,510 --> 00:26:28,640 I've heard this before, 756 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,300 but scrappy is the new perfect. You know, like, 757 00:26:31,330 --> 00:26:34,350 it just needs to be done and get moving, 758 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:35,600 and then you can adjust 759 00:26:35,660 --> 00:26:37,800 as you kind of move out there. And as you said, 760 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:39,440 make mistakes and grow and learn from. 761 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:41,600 Perfection is the enemy of productivity. 762 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:43,880 Do you guys have day jobs, 763 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:46,480 or is this your whole gig? 764 00:26:46,590 --> 00:26:48,370 This is my full time job, 765 00:26:48,430 --> 00:26:51,570 and it has been since the pandemic started. 766 00:26:51,690 --> 00:26:52,660 Same for you, Rory. 767 00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:54,920 I was freelance writing. 768 00:26:55,090 --> 00:26:56,500 I still kind of am, 769 00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,520 but I've paired it way back 770 00:26:59,610 --> 00:27:02,990 because this has been doing well. So. Yeah, no, 771 00:27:03,020 --> 00:27:04,350 this is just about it. 772 00:27:04,460 --> 00:27:04,920 Wow. 773 00:27:05,010 --> 00:27:05,620 That is. 774 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:06,780 I just want to, like, 775 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:08,000 hold the phone and say, 776 00:27:08,050 --> 00:27:10,930 that is awesome. That is crazy. I mean, 777 00:27:10,950 --> 00:27:13,070 you guys are two almost. You've. You're 778 00:27:13,100 --> 00:27:16,250 almost on your two year anniversary here, and. 779 00:27:16,360 --> 00:27:17,450 And that is. 780 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,500 That is just. You guys are, you know, 781 00:27:20,590 --> 00:27:21,670 making a living. I mean, 782 00:27:21,710 --> 00:27:24,490 one of you is in Vancouver, British Columbia. 783 00:27:24,910 --> 00:27:26,610 That ain't cheap. Yeah. 784 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:27,770 And you're making it a book. 785 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:28,190 Yeah. 786 00:27:28,270 --> 00:27:30,250 Well, congratulations, guys, because that's, 787 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:32,580 like, awesome to see. And that's, like, 788 00:27:32,710 --> 00:27:34,410 I don't think we've met anyone that we've 789 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:36,870 talked to yet that hasn't been, like, doing 790 00:27:36,970 --> 00:27:39,510 what they're doing passionately full time, 791 00:27:39,610 --> 00:27:40,110 and it's paying 792 00:27:40,130 --> 00:27:41,830 the bills and hopefully more. Right. Like, 793 00:27:41,900 --> 00:27:43,230 that's what's so awesome about 794 00:27:43,300 --> 00:27:45,310 the idea of following your passion, going 795 00:27:45,380 --> 00:27:47,730 after this and creating a nerdpreneur business. 796 00:27:47,830 --> 00:27:49,740 And you guys are only at two years. 797 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:50,430 It's certainly 798 00:27:50,460 --> 00:27:52,340 a little bit of imposter syndrome. I mean, 799 00:27:52,360 --> 00:27:54,100 it's not like. Yeah, it's not. 800 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:55,160 It's nothing crazy, 801 00:27:55,210 --> 00:27:57,690 but it's weird. 802 00:27:57,730 --> 00:27:59,260 No, I hear you, man. I mean, I think 803 00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:00,870 the imposter syndrome is everyone. 804 00:28:00,940 --> 00:28:02,540 Everyone deals with that. I mean, 805 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:03,730 there's a little bit of that 806 00:28:03,750 --> 00:28:05,750 that we hear all over the place. And, I mean, 807 00:28:05,820 --> 00:28:06,970 I'll admit I even feel 808 00:28:07,010 --> 00:28:09,770 that way even in my day job. 809 00:28:09,860 --> 00:28:11,190 You know, when 810 00:28:11,210 --> 00:28:13,660 you tell people what you do, are they, like, 811 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:15,760 shocked and surprised to be like, wait, you. 812 00:28:15,830 --> 00:28:17,410 You sell dice? Like, what? 813 00:28:17,460 --> 00:28:19,020 Or maybe write adventures. 814 00:28:19,140 --> 00:28:20,700 Is it hard to explain that to people? 815 00:28:20,820 --> 00:28:22,660 Yeah, I mean, it's almost like a 816 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:23,480 fun party trick 817 00:28:23,510 --> 00:28:25,100 that my girlfriend will be like, hey, Roy, 818 00:28:25,120 --> 00:28:25,980 tell them what you do. 819 00:28:26,100 --> 00:28:28,220 And at first it was like, oh, I'm a writer. 820 00:28:28,340 --> 00:28:29,240 And they're like, cool. 821 00:28:29,310 --> 00:28:30,240 What do you write? 822 00:28:30,700 --> 00:28:33,330 Write tabletop role playing games. I mean, 823 00:28:33,490 --> 00:28:35,160 now I've stopped prefacing 824 00:28:35,180 --> 00:28:36,240 it with I'm a writer because 825 00:28:36,260 --> 00:28:38,320 that doesn't really get me anywhere. But, no, 826 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,540 it is weird. And some people, more than once, 827 00:28:40,570 --> 00:28:41,840 people have been like, no way. 828 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:43,100 We've been trying to get into d and d. 829 00:28:43,130 --> 00:28:44,480 Are you also a dm? Like, 830 00:28:44,580 --> 00:28:45,780 can you teach us? 831 00:28:45,930 --> 00:28:48,300 Sometimes people are like, that's weird. 832 00:28:48,330 --> 00:28:49,540 I've never heard of that. 833 00:28:49,690 --> 00:28:51,240 But people are 834 00:28:51,260 --> 00:28:52,680 always pretty stoked that it's like, yeah, 835 00:28:52,740 --> 00:28:54,820 you're actually doing something that, yeah, 836 00:28:54,850 --> 00:28:55,500 you're passionate about, 837 00:28:55,530 --> 00:28:56,720 which is crazy. 838 00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:57,890 I want to know, 839 00:28:58,030 --> 00:28:59,710 what was the day, like, 840 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:01,060 you quit your job? 841 00:29:02,380 --> 00:29:07,000 It was really great. Yeah, I loved it. 842 00:29:07,190 --> 00:29:10,050 I remember I was managing at a restaurant, 843 00:29:10,140 --> 00:29:11,840 and this was during the pandemic, 844 00:29:13,140 --> 00:29:14,700 so it was kind of like the 845 00:29:14,780 --> 00:29:16,840 perfect time to quit because 846 00:29:17,220 --> 00:29:19,840 a lot of people couldn't come into work. 847 00:29:21,500 --> 00:29:23,850 It wasn't like, oh, 848 00:29:23,940 --> 00:29:25,180 I'm leaving because I have 849 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:26,950 something better to do. But more like, hey, 850 00:29:27,010 --> 00:29:28,410 here's a great reason for me to leave, 851 00:29:28,460 --> 00:29:30,590 because the pandemic's picking up. 852 00:29:30,690 --> 00:29:31,380 You guys don't really 853 00:29:31,420 --> 00:29:33,210 need me here right now because, you know, 854 00:29:33,260 --> 00:29:34,290 restaurants aren't open. 855 00:29:34,380 --> 00:29:35,210 So I kind of, like, 856 00:29:35,260 --> 00:29:36,870 just slowly slid out. 857 00:29:36,970 --> 00:29:38,630 And then they called me, like, I guess, 858 00:29:38,690 --> 00:29:39,240 a few weeks later, 859 00:29:39,270 --> 00:29:39,940 and they were like, eric, 860 00:29:39,980 --> 00:29:41,860 we're ready for you to come back to work now. 861 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:42,980 I was like, whoa. 862 00:29:43,100 --> 00:29:44,540 Oh, I don't know. I don't know about that 863 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,640 because my business is working. 864 00:29:48,500 --> 00:29:50,800 The taste of sweet freedom. 865 00:29:51,260 --> 00:29:54,740 Yeah, yeah. And so, yeah, I remember, though, 866 00:29:54,780 --> 00:29:57,490 walking in there that day and being like, okay, 867 00:29:57,510 --> 00:29:58,800 so how can I get out of here, 868 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:00,360 but without making any enemies? 869 00:30:00,420 --> 00:30:02,000 Just being very polite. Yeah, 870 00:30:02,060 --> 00:30:03,100 you don't want to leave and 871 00:30:03,210 --> 00:30:05,520 make bad blood ever. But, yeah, it was amazing. 872 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:06,440 I'll tell you that. 873 00:30:06,580 --> 00:30:07,530 That's awesome. 874 00:30:07,670 --> 00:30:08,930 Let's do the random roll because 875 00:30:08,990 --> 00:30:10,330 I know we have a dice company 876 00:30:10,390 --> 00:30:12,600 here and you guys have dice to roll. 877 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:13,580 We've got to make sure 878 00:30:13,610 --> 00:30:15,280 we get some rolls in here today. 879 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,830 This is what we kind of call our random rolls, 880 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:20,270 our D 100 roll. 881 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:21,840 So questions that we're going to ask are going 882 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:25,640 to be associated with the number that you roll. 883 00:30:25,830 --> 00:30:30,410 And these are less serious, bit more fun. So 884 00:30:30,500 --> 00:30:32,810 we did a bunch of business talk and, you know, 885 00:30:32,940 --> 00:30:34,790 branding and whatnot. Now 886 00:30:34,810 --> 00:30:38,330 we're going to switch things over. So, Rory, 887 00:30:38,500 --> 00:30:39,540 you look like you're ready. 888 00:30:39,580 --> 00:30:42,520 Would you mind just rolling that D 100? 889 00:30:42,860 --> 00:30:44,780 We'll do this a couple times for each of you, 890 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:46,600 but we'll just start off with Rory right now. 891 00:30:46,750 --> 00:30:47,580 Can I say, 892 00:30:47,620 --> 00:30:48,500 before we get going, 893 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,150 we're actually now officially selling D 100s. 894 00:30:51,210 --> 00:30:51,730 Whoa. 895 00:30:51,860 --> 00:30:53,160 That's so cool. 896 00:30:53,260 --> 00:30:54,600 Yeah, you can't see it, but it's a 897 00:30:54,620 --> 00:30:56,260 ball with 100 numbers on it. 898 00:30:56,310 --> 00:30:58,140 So no more two d ten s. Okay. 899 00:30:58,190 --> 00:30:58,500 Exactly. 900 00:30:58,550 --> 00:31:00,680 Get to have one d one hundred. 901 00:31:00,780 --> 00:31:02,090 D ten s. Perspective. 902 00:31:02,470 --> 00:31:03,620 It might roll for a while, 903 00:31:03,670 --> 00:31:05,290 so give it a minute. 904 00:31:06,070 --> 00:31:07,200 That's all right. 905 00:31:07,380 --> 00:31:08,850 You got 89. 906 00:31:09,230 --> 00:31:11,210 Ah, this is a great one. 907 00:31:11,950 --> 00:31:15,290 What makes a great friendship stronger? 908 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:20,020 Oh, I would say communication. 909 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:24,680 More than a net. Necessary communication. Now, 910 00:31:24,740 --> 00:31:25,240 if you're reaching 911 00:31:25,260 --> 00:31:28,960 out to a friend because it's, you know, 912 00:31:29,020 --> 00:31:30,900 you haven't talked in a while, that's nice. 913 00:31:31,050 --> 00:31:32,980 But when you're reaching out a friend because 914 00:31:33,090 --> 00:31:35,900 you got something you want them to see or hear, 915 00:31:36,050 --> 00:31:38,840 and then that makes it stronger. 916 00:31:39,020 --> 00:31:39,990 That's really great. 917 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:40,820 Given that the two 918 00:31:40,850 --> 00:31:42,800 of you have been friends before, 919 00:31:42,860 --> 00:31:44,820 entering in on this business. That was. 920 00:31:45,010 --> 00:31:46,080 That was synchronous. Like, 921 00:31:46,100 --> 00:31:47,270 that was a new question we added 922 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:50,000 in last week or two weeks ago, and I'm. 923 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:51,150 And I was like, trust me, 924 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:52,000 it's going to be great. 925 00:31:52,100 --> 00:31:54,220 But it came up. That's awesome. 926 00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:55,020 Good. 927 00:31:55,090 --> 00:31:55,530 Perfect. 928 00:31:55,630 --> 00:31:57,560 Nice. All right, Eric, go ahead. 929 00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:59,540 All right, let's get it going. Here we go. 930 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,690 So I have two. 931 00:32:02,830 --> 00:32:05,000 You get to draft one mythical 932 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,500 player for your football team. 933 00:32:07,690 --> 00:32:09,950 A mythical player for my football team. 934 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,380 So it could be any, like, DC, Marvel, whatever, 935 00:32:12,410 --> 00:32:13,390 you know, or anything. 936 00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:15,220 How about Darth Vader? 937 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:18,370 Yeah, that would be great. 938 00:32:18,510 --> 00:32:20,000 Imagine Darth Vader. Wow. Well, 939 00:32:20,020 --> 00:32:21,620 tell me why. Why Darth Vader? For you. 940 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:22,690 He could use this to just 941 00:32:22,770 --> 00:32:25,000 pick everyone on the enemy team up. Then 942 00:32:25,050 --> 00:32:26,730 I get the ball and run it to the other side. 943 00:32:26,830 --> 00:32:28,500 And if the refs complain, he would. 944 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:29,380 Have to kill them. 945 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:29,930 I mean. 946 00:32:29,990 --> 00:32:30,250 Yeah. 947 00:32:30,290 --> 00:32:30,850 Like, no one's 948 00:32:30,870 --> 00:32:32,720 going to stop Darth Vader. It's like, yeah, 949 00:32:32,810 --> 00:32:34,370 throat choke you or something. 950 00:32:34,430 --> 00:32:35,950 Yeah. Force choke you to 951 00:32:35,980 --> 00:32:37,050 death and that'll be it. 952 00:32:37,090 --> 00:32:38,960 Yeah. His lightsaber skills are alone 953 00:32:39,010 --> 00:32:41,310 will make him a great defensive lineman. 954 00:32:41,460 --> 00:32:42,650 Honestly. I mean, he could 955 00:32:42,670 --> 00:32:44,670 just be a great blocker for, like, 956 00:32:44,740 --> 00:32:46,550 a Tom Brady or something because he could 957 00:32:46,580 --> 00:32:49,240 probably hold back the entire line or everyone 958 00:32:49,290 --> 00:32:51,220 would be too scared to cross the line. 959 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:53,070 That's what I was thinking as well. 960 00:32:53,260 --> 00:32:55,090 I'm just surprised you put Tom Brady 961 00:32:55,110 --> 00:32:57,240 and Darth Vader on the same team. 962 00:32:57,410 --> 00:33:00,770 You were choosing potentially mythical Sci-Fi 963 00:33:00,850 --> 00:33:03,190 heroes and characters and Tom Brady. I mean, 964 00:33:03,220 --> 00:33:04,980 I live in Seattle, okay? Like, 965 00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,310 but Tom Brady, 966 00:33:07,650 --> 00:33:09,410 he's practically a superhero. 967 00:33:09,450 --> 00:33:10,010 I'm just saying. 968 00:33:10,050 --> 00:33:11,330 Are you saying he's a Jedi? 969 00:33:11,450 --> 00:33:12,450 Don't you dare. 970 00:33:12,510 --> 00:33:13,170 I don't know. I mean, 971 00:33:13,190 --> 00:33:14,250 he could be a sith lord. 972 00:33:14,330 --> 00:33:16,970 We don't know. I mean, he is vegan, so I. 973 00:33:16,990 --> 00:33:18,150 Didn'T even know that. 974 00:33:19,190 --> 00:33:20,160 Imagine how good Darth 975 00:33:20,180 --> 00:33:21,490 Vader would be at throwing the ball. 976 00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:22,870 You just throw it all 977 00:33:22,890 --> 00:33:26,470 the way to the end every time. No issues. 978 00:33:26,630 --> 00:33:28,290 Darth Vader versus Tom Brady. 979 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:29,380 I'd watch that, though. 980 00:33:29,510 --> 00:33:35,310 I wouldn't pay HBO for the subscription. Well, 981 00:33:35,330 --> 00:33:36,550 let's thank you. 982 00:33:36,590 --> 00:33:37,910 Thank you for entertaining us. Well, 983 00:33:37,930 --> 00:33:41,360 let's move on to rapid fire. Okay. 984 00:33:41,460 --> 00:33:43,150 Star Trek or Star wars? 985 00:33:43,330 --> 00:33:45,710 Between Star wars and Star Trek, I would pick, 986 00:33:45,790 --> 00:33:47,490 personally Star wars. 987 00:33:48,100 --> 00:33:51,960 All right, that's okay. You know, it's fine. 988 00:33:52,150 --> 00:33:53,480 You want me to leave now? 989 00:33:53,860 --> 00:33:54,440 No. 990 00:33:54,550 --> 00:33:56,580 Okay. I mean, we've got to have, we've 991 00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:59,290 got to have a good balance in this earth. 992 00:33:59,420 --> 00:34:00,810 Mm hmm. Yeah. Yeah. 993 00:34:00,860 --> 00:34:01,960 A little bit of variety. 994 00:34:02,900 --> 00:34:03,900 Same for you, Rory. 995 00:34:03,980 --> 00:34:05,260 Star Trek or Star wars? 996 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:07,850 Both. What? Both. They're different things. 997 00:34:07,900 --> 00:34:09,440 It's actually funny. This is, I got a, 998 00:34:09,469 --> 00:34:11,610 I got a relevant story for this, really, 999 00:34:11,659 --> 00:34:13,219 to draw out this quick question. 1000 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,469 We had fan expo in Vancouver recently, 1001 00:34:16,570 --> 00:34:17,920 and I very fortunately 1002 00:34:17,949 --> 00:34:22,360 got to see William Shatner speak, which was, 1003 00:34:22,739 --> 00:34:24,020 he's a little rambly now, 1004 00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:25,650 but still very inspiring guy. 1005 00:34:25,780 --> 00:34:27,340 Yeah. And Canadian. 1006 00:34:27,460 --> 00:34:31,070 Yeah. Oh, yeah, exactly. And someone asked him, 1007 00:34:31,210 --> 00:34:32,199 would you support a Star 1008 00:34:32,230 --> 00:34:33,820 wars and Star Trek crossover? And he was like, 1009 00:34:33,860 --> 00:34:36,900 Star wars is fantasy. It's in space, 1010 00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:38,900 but it's just a mythological tale. 1011 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:40,460 Star Trek is trying 1012 00:34:40,500 --> 00:34:42,810 to be based off of technology. It's, you know, 1013 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:44,130 stories about humans. Um, 1014 00:34:44,199 --> 00:34:44,750 and I was like, 1015 00:34:44,790 --> 00:34:46,469 that's actually pretty right? 1016 00:34:46,510 --> 00:34:47,070 That's pretty good. 1017 00:34:47,110 --> 00:34:47,780 Yeah. And I was like, well, 1018 00:34:47,810 --> 00:34:49,310 I like both of those things, so why, 1019 00:34:49,350 --> 00:34:50,130 why can I say anything 1020 00:34:50,159 --> 00:34:51,760 other than both, you know, both. Great. 1021 00:34:51,860 --> 00:34:53,889 Who shot first, Han or Greedo? 1022 00:34:54,830 --> 00:34:58,020 Han. I have a, I think it's a false 1023 00:34:58,070 --> 00:34:59,600 memory of watching an original 1024 00:34:59,660 --> 00:35:01,350 cut of Star wars when I was, like, 1025 00:35:01,470 --> 00:35:04,630 crazy young on a vhs that we then lost, 1026 00:35:04,750 --> 00:35:08,070 which might be wrong, but no, I gotta say, hi, 1027 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,200 goblins or kobolds? Ooh, that's fun. 1028 00:35:11,330 --> 00:35:14,940 I have used kobolds more in my games, 1029 00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:16,390 but to be fair, 1030 00:35:17,010 --> 00:35:19,000 I don't think I fully comprehended 1031 00:35:19,130 --> 00:35:21,350 the usefulness of goblins 1032 00:35:21,380 --> 00:35:23,830 until a little more recently. And kobolds, 1033 00:35:23,900 --> 00:35:24,840 some of them can fly, 1034 00:35:24,890 --> 00:35:26,050 and that's really fun. 1035 00:35:26,150 --> 00:35:27,810 I often have kobolds 1036 00:35:27,830 --> 00:35:29,070 tied to people on the ground, 1037 00:35:29,140 --> 00:35:30,900 which has been an avenue for hilarity. 1038 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:32,570 Three favorite pizza toppings. 1039 00:35:32,710 --> 00:35:34,920 Olives, onions, bacon. 1040 00:35:35,030 --> 00:35:37,010 We haven't had any of those on here yet. 1041 00:35:37,060 --> 00:35:37,580 Really? 1042 00:35:37,720 --> 00:35:39,760 No. That's great. 1043 00:35:39,790 --> 00:35:41,860 It's been a lot of pineapple pizza, people. 1044 00:35:42,020 --> 00:35:43,500 I do like pineapple and pizza, 1045 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,730 but top three now it's down the list somewhere. 1046 00:35:46,780 --> 00:35:49,240 Okay, Eric, favorite or, sorry, 1047 00:35:49,270 --> 00:35:50,080 maybe not your favorite, 1048 00:35:50,110 --> 00:35:52,190 but your go to karaoke song. 1049 00:35:52,370 --> 00:35:55,350 Oh, man. Okay, Rory, you go ahead. 1050 00:35:55,410 --> 00:35:56,600 I need some time to think. 1051 00:35:57,700 --> 00:35:59,160 I love the one that I love. 1052 00:36:00,060 --> 00:36:02,520 You take this one. 1053 00:36:03,270 --> 00:36:05,410 Don't do karaoke all that much. 1054 00:36:06,110 --> 00:36:07,670 Well, especially nowadays. 1055 00:36:07,830 --> 00:36:08,840 Yeah, well, exactly. 1056 00:36:08,900 --> 00:36:11,330 It's a lost art from pre Covid times. 1057 00:36:13,110 --> 00:36:14,710 So the key, I believe, 1058 00:36:14,790 --> 00:36:16,570 is to get one that everyone inevitably 1059 00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:18,240 ends up singing along to, which I think, 1060 00:36:18,300 --> 00:36:21,310 for me would be bohemian Rhapsody classic. 1061 00:36:21,330 --> 00:36:22,950 I feel like everyone's got to sing along, 1062 00:36:23,090 --> 00:36:24,660 so get the crowd in on it. 1063 00:36:24,750 --> 00:36:26,970 Going off of that. I think mine. 1064 00:36:27,670 --> 00:36:28,640 I saw a good friend 1065 00:36:28,700 --> 00:36:30,750 once would be brown eyed girl. 1066 00:36:30,910 --> 00:36:33,910 Ooh, another classic karaoke tune. Awesome. 1067 00:36:34,010 --> 00:36:37,100 Yeah. I'm surprised. You know, I always 1068 00:36:37,150 --> 00:36:39,160 feel like it's getting hot in here is going 1069 00:36:39,180 --> 00:36:41,950 to be the top of the list for people. You know, 1070 00:36:41,990 --> 00:36:42,990 everyone knows that song. 1071 00:36:43,030 --> 00:36:44,490 They can sing along to it. 1072 00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,310 Oh, yeah. But nobody wants karaoke 1073 00:36:47,330 --> 00:36:48,900 people to take off all their clothes. 1074 00:36:49,030 --> 00:36:50,750 I'm just not gonna lie. 1075 00:36:50,790 --> 00:36:53,150 I used to go to karaoke in Ottawa, 1076 00:36:53,190 --> 00:36:55,750 and if you're a regular there, keep. 1077 00:36:55,770 --> 00:36:56,120 Keep. 1078 00:36:56,220 --> 00:36:57,000 Keep them on. 1079 00:36:57,100 --> 00:36:59,150 Nah, don't need that. Okay. Gotcha. 1080 00:36:59,210 --> 00:36:59,910 All right, how. How 1081 00:36:59,950 --> 00:37:01,510 many cats or too many cats? 1082 00:37:01,670 --> 00:37:02,210 Three. 1083 00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:03,900 Yeah, I agree with that. 1084 00:37:03,990 --> 00:37:05,640 Well, thank you so much, guys. 1085 00:37:05,700 --> 00:37:07,080 This has been so awesome. 1086 00:37:07,180 --> 00:37:11,090 And where can people find you, support you, 1087 00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:13,990 and buy some adventures and dice from you? 1088 00:37:14,130 --> 00:37:17,590 Yes, you can find us at only crits.com. 1089 00:37:17,710 --> 00:37:19,420 and you can also 1090 00:37:19,550 --> 00:37:23,020 find us on Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter. 1091 00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:24,090 Those are our social media 1092 00:37:24,130 --> 00:37:27,560 outlets at only Crits Co. 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