1 00:00:00,300 --> 00:00:05,940 You're listening to episode 773 of a very spatial podcast, November 16th, 2025. 2 00:00:16,110 --> 00:00:17,640 Hello and welcome to a very spatial podcast. 3 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:18,150 I'm Jesse. 4 00:00:18,450 --> 00:00:18,900 I'm Sue. 5 00:00:19,785 --> 00:00:20,355 I'm Barb, 6 00:00:20,415 --> 00:00:21,165 and this is Frank. 7 00:00:21,225 --> 00:00:26,805 And this week just wanna remind you, not in the, the events corner, because we 8 00:00:26,805 --> 00:00:29,505 forgot to do it in the events corner, and now it's happening this week. 9 00:00:29,505 --> 00:00:37,225 Geography Awareness Week that the A GS 2050 or sorry, geography, 2050 by a GS 10 00:00:37,535 --> 00:00:39,875 is happening in, I believe in New York. 11 00:00:39,875 --> 00:00:40,805 Yes, still in New York. 12 00:00:41,265 --> 00:00:42,040 And this year's theme. 13 00:00:42,825 --> 00:00:45,345 Which I think might be the same as last year's theme ish. 14 00:00:45,625 --> 00:00:48,685 The Future of Geo Geo, OAI and the Planet. 15 00:00:49,645 --> 00:00:51,235 So, yeah. 16 00:00:52,315 --> 00:00:55,825 I don't know why we forgot to put that in the show notes this year. 17 00:00:55,885 --> 00:00:56,035 Hmm. 18 00:00:56,575 --> 00:00:57,145 But we did, 19 00:00:57,385 --> 00:00:58,945 but it's November 20th and 21st. 20 00:00:59,005 --> 00:00:59,215 Yeah. 21 00:00:59,575 --> 00:01:01,435 So this week at Columbia in New York. 22 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:01,560 Yes. 23 00:01:01,790 --> 00:01:02,080 Yeah. 24 00:01:02,085 --> 00:01:05,695 I don't think anybody's gonna change their plans to go now, but 25 00:01:05,965 --> 00:01:06,715 they're already in New York. 26 00:01:06,895 --> 00:01:07,495 It's a big city. 27 00:01:07,945 --> 00:01:08,335 It's true. 28 00:01:08,755 --> 00:01:10,195 They also post it virtually. 29 00:01:10,960 --> 00:01:13,420 They do a very good virtual sessions, 30 00:01:13,900 --> 00:01:14,170 so. 31 00:01:14,770 --> 00:01:18,669 And of course that also highlights the fact that it is Geography Awareness Week, 32 00:01:18,669 --> 00:01:21,070 which we will come back to after the news. 33 00:01:21,550 --> 00:01:25,449 Speaking of ai, Google Maps is now getting a, what they call 34 00:01:25,449 --> 00:01:27,370 a powerful boost with Gemini. 35 00:01:27,770 --> 00:01:29,630 Gemini of course, is one of their. 36 00:01:29,990 --> 00:01:33,890 It's the latest version of the latest iteration of the name of, of, I think 37 00:01:33,890 --> 00:01:36,710 all of the other pieces technically are part of Gemini. 38 00:01:36,710 --> 00:01:39,200 So Notebook, LM and Veo and all the, 39 00:01:39,530 --> 00:01:40,550 I can't, I can't give you straight. 40 00:01:40,550 --> 00:01:41,960 But anyway, this is their AI module. 41 00:01:41,960 --> 00:01:45,370 'cause everybody has to have an AI module now for everything. 42 00:01:45,820 --> 00:01:49,415 So they're including that within Google Maps. 43 00:01:49,430 --> 00:01:53,480 It's supposed to help find, you know, landmarks better and 44 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:55,449 make navigation easier and. 45 00:01:56,610 --> 00:01:59,790 To some extent it's supposed to help with like traffic issues, but 46 00:01:59,790 --> 00:02:04,410 honestly, I found that Google Maps was okay before that with traffic issues. 47 00:02:04,410 --> 00:02:07,809 So I'm not sure how it's gonna make it better not living in 48 00:02:07,809 --> 00:02:09,789 a severely urbanized area. 49 00:02:10,189 --> 00:02:14,659 Normally we don't have to worry about it terribly much, but if you are, 50 00:02:14,659 --> 00:02:15,979 then hopefully Gemini will help you. 51 00:02:15,979 --> 00:02:21,859 Your use of Google Maps in your navigating around the traffic, I, I have to say if 52 00:02:21,859 --> 00:02:23,539 I sound underwhelmed, it's because I am. 53 00:02:23,599 --> 00:02:24,529 To be honest with you. 54 00:02:24,739 --> 00:02:25,609 Well, I think, 55 00:02:25,819 --> 00:02:25,849 I 56 00:02:25,849 --> 00:02:26,839 think we generally are right. 57 00:02:26,839 --> 00:02:26,989 Yeah. 58 00:02:26,989 --> 00:02:27,019 I 59 00:02:27,019 --> 00:02:30,419 mean like the stuff that you could do, although the proactive tra traffic 60 00:02:30,419 --> 00:02:34,349 alerts for Android are maybe interesting, although that could get frustrating. 61 00:02:34,769 --> 00:02:37,829 But I mean, the other thing is really if you like, if you like to 62 00:02:37,829 --> 00:02:40,679 be able to be more conversational when you ask questions, right. 63 00:02:40,679 --> 00:02:42,689 Instead of having to think, how do I need to phrase this to 64 00:02:42,689 --> 00:02:43,559 get it, to give me the answer. 65 00:02:43,559 --> 00:02:45,119 I mean, that's probably the only real, 66 00:02:45,674 --> 00:02:47,674 I, I don't trust it, I guess is what it is. 67 00:02:47,674 --> 00:02:47,684 Yeah. 68 00:02:47,699 --> 00:02:48,329 Well there's that. 69 00:02:49,379 --> 00:02:52,769 When I've had the, not that it'll find wrong results, it's just the conversation. 70 00:02:52,799 --> 00:02:56,759 It'll be like talking to an somebody who's not very bright. 71 00:02:57,389 --> 00:03:00,389 It's just like, why are you not getting what I'm laying down here? 72 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:01,059 So. 73 00:03:01,915 --> 00:03:05,515 To some extent, I find the, the weird ways of having to phrase 74 00:03:05,515 --> 00:03:07,674 things to be more effective still. 75 00:03:07,915 --> 00:03:08,575 So that's kind of, yeah. 76 00:03:08,575 --> 00:03:09,024 Plus, I mean, like, 77 00:03:09,114 --> 00:03:10,435 it, I think that 78 00:03:11,755 --> 00:03:12,834 it's not for everyone. 79 00:03:13,075 --> 00:03:13,135 Yeah. 80 00:03:13,135 --> 00:03:14,965 It's not for us generally, but it's out there. 81 00:03:15,084 --> 00:03:16,045 I was thinking 82 00:03:16,130 --> 00:03:19,255 the, the landmarks would help if someone's older. 83 00:03:19,405 --> 00:03:21,924 You know, a lot of times if they, they go by landmarks, but 84 00:03:21,924 --> 00:03:24,834 at the same time will it include landmarks that are no longer there? 85 00:03:24,834 --> 00:03:25,554 But were there, 86 00:03:26,095 --> 00:03:28,345 i I would actually counterpoint that. 87 00:03:28,959 --> 00:03:34,299 I think that the landmarks would be, 'cause those who are older are used 88 00:03:34,299 --> 00:03:39,219 to roadmaps and what roads names are. 89 00:03:39,474 --> 00:03:39,534 Yeah. 90 00:03:40,044 --> 00:03:40,884 Oftentimes 91 00:03:40,884 --> 00:03:41,454 yes and no. 92 00:03:41,574 --> 00:03:44,724 I would, I would back up, Barb here, maybe this is, there's a different 93 00:03:44,724 --> 00:03:49,794 divide going on here, but I, I navigate by landmarks and will tell 94 00:03:49,794 --> 00:03:50,799 other landmark people based on it. 95 00:03:50,799 --> 00:03:53,334 But the change chart, so for, so people who are are older 96 00:03:53,334 --> 00:03:55,734 may be thinking of landmarks that aren't there anymore. 97 00:03:55,914 --> 00:03:56,214 Yes. 98 00:03:56,214 --> 00:03:59,524 And we've had that conversation in the podcast where, you know, people are. 99 00:04:00,340 --> 00:04:05,089 A, as Frank gave the example of the bar or whatever it was, Enos, 100 00:04:05,089 --> 00:04:09,019 that was gone 20 years ago, and yet people are still determined 101 00:04:09,019 --> 00:04:10,489 to give directions based on that. 102 00:04:10,489 --> 00:04:10,549 Yeah. 103 00:04:11,359 --> 00:04:16,880 Now AI and Google Maps don't know what the old landmarks were. 104 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:19,399 They're telling you the new landmarks and you're like, I have no idea what that is. 105 00:04:19,399 --> 00:04:19,409 Yeah. 106 00:04:20,739 --> 00:04:21,619 I totally, but maybe they'll learn. 107 00:04:21,784 --> 00:04:23,255 But, but 108 00:04:23,314 --> 00:04:26,004 for the entire Google map team that is listening to this 109 00:04:26,004 --> 00:04:29,334 podcast, here's what your, here's my free, free product for you. 110 00:04:29,364 --> 00:04:29,844 Okay? 111 00:04:30,144 --> 00:04:34,704 What I want is I want navigation that knows places that I know about already. 112 00:04:35,139 --> 00:04:36,549 Like friends houses. 113 00:04:36,879 --> 00:04:39,189 And then it needs to figure out at what point I need to 114 00:04:39,189 --> 00:04:40,780 deviate from that navigation. 115 00:04:40,809 --> 00:04:44,019 So in other words, if I don't know how to get to a particular road 116 00:04:44,019 --> 00:04:47,049 or restaurant in town, 'cause I just don't really go over there. 117 00:04:47,349 --> 00:04:49,449 If it just goes, Hey, go to Lowe's. 118 00:04:49,509 --> 00:04:50,559 And I'll go, okay, cool. 119 00:04:50,650 --> 00:04:51,429 And I'll go to Lowe's. 120 00:04:51,429 --> 00:04:54,460 And at a certain point it goes, okay, you need to deviate from your normal 121 00:04:54,460 --> 00:04:58,359 path to lows that at this point now I'll give you turn by turn directions. 122 00:04:58,389 --> 00:04:59,259 That's what I want. 123 00:04:59,619 --> 00:04:59,949 Yeah. 124 00:04:59,949 --> 00:05:01,210 But the problem there is. 125 00:05:02,544 --> 00:05:05,094 To and tomorrow you'll be able to do that using some agent 126 00:05:05,094 --> 00:05:05,875 they're building right now. 127 00:05:06,354 --> 00:05:08,965 I don't give anybody my contacts list. 128 00:05:09,534 --> 00:05:11,049 I don't even give my car my contacts list. 129 00:05:11,979 --> 00:05:13,209 I it and that, and that's 130 00:05:13,209 --> 00:05:15,789 fine, but I mean, it would know where you've gone. 131 00:05:15,819 --> 00:05:18,789 Like if you go to Lowe's a lot because you own a house and you have to buy 132 00:05:18,909 --> 00:05:22,989 stuff, you could like go to, I get really annoyed that it tells me, go to 133 00:05:22,989 --> 00:05:24,369 the New York driveway and hang a left. 134 00:05:24,399 --> 00:05:27,849 I'm like, okay, well first of all, I live on a dead end road, so basically 135 00:05:27,849 --> 00:05:28,959 that's the only way I can go. 136 00:05:28,959 --> 00:05:29,829 So, duh. 137 00:05:30,789 --> 00:05:33,939 Then it, you get to the next place and it's like, okay, if I take 138 00:05:33,939 --> 00:05:36,369 a right, I go to another dead end road, so take a left here. 139 00:05:36,369 --> 00:05:36,579 I'm like. 140 00:05:36,614 --> 00:05:39,644 I know, I know how to get to my outta my house, man. 141 00:05:39,884 --> 00:05:41,144 You don't need to gimme those erections. 142 00:05:41,504 --> 00:05:45,344 The only reason I do it differently is because of the traffic, actually, oddly 143 00:05:45,344 --> 00:05:49,874 enough, is that basically if there's a holdup on the interstate, so where I 144 00:05:49,874 --> 00:05:53,924 live is sort of the confluence of two interstates that come together, and lately 145 00:05:53,924 --> 00:05:56,984 there's been, because of construction and people are idiots, there's been a lot of 146 00:05:56,984 --> 00:05:58,844 wrecks on either one of those interstates. 147 00:05:59,264 --> 00:06:00,704 So sometimes I do ask it that. 148 00:06:00,704 --> 00:06:01,454 So it tells me. 149 00:06:01,519 --> 00:06:05,359 Which way to go, basically avoid the wreck and the traffic. 150 00:06:05,419 --> 00:06:07,189 So that's, that's what that's about. 151 00:06:07,189 --> 00:06:09,379 But it's still annoying. 152 00:06:11,689 --> 00:06:13,429 Completely different topic. 153 00:06:14,779 --> 00:06:19,759 And something we have not talked about in apparently roughly six years or so, 154 00:06:20,509 --> 00:06:26,869 is the fact that Map guide, open source version four, is released as a final 155 00:06:26,869 --> 00:06:28,479 version in the last couple of weeks. 156 00:06:30,075 --> 00:06:34,094 It's been at 3.1 0.2 for the last six years plus. 157 00:06:34,494 --> 00:06:37,895 So it's, it's interesting to, to see it get a new release. 158 00:06:38,015 --> 00:06:41,765 And so yeah, it's been, I guess, six years since we gave the last 159 00:06:41,765 --> 00:06:43,564 update on map guide open source. 160 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:48,200 I haven't looked at Map Guide in at least that long, but now I think I should 161 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:49,490 go back and take a look again with, 162 00:06:50,450 --> 00:06:55,130 with our daily lives where we live more in Arc Gs online than open source, 163 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:57,140 which I feel bad about a lot of times. 164 00:06:57,320 --> 00:07:00,590 I just don't have time to build things, but. 165 00:07:03,544 --> 00:07:03,965 It's out. 166 00:07:06,724 --> 00:07:07,114 Also out. 167 00:07:08,254 --> 00:07:10,715 G-I-S-C-I has announced changes. 168 00:07:11,014 --> 00:07:11,434 Yes. 169 00:07:14,284 --> 00:07:15,724 What is, what is this for? 170 00:07:16,114 --> 00:07:16,474 What is this? 171 00:07:16,474 --> 00:07:16,835 Clapping. 172 00:07:16,835 --> 00:07:17,194 Can you hear 173 00:07:17,194 --> 00:07:17,439 us at all? 174 00:07:17,439 --> 00:07:17,719 Yeah. 175 00:07:18,875 --> 00:07:19,745 We can't hear you. 176 00:07:19,745 --> 00:07:22,895 It's not coming through here, but it's, I can hear you through my laptop 177 00:07:22,895 --> 00:07:24,965 speakers, but I don't know why it just suddenly stopped coming through here. 178 00:07:25,055 --> 00:07:25,235 Well, we're 179 00:07:25,235 --> 00:07:27,815 also hearing you through your laptop microphone, 180 00:07:27,875 --> 00:07:28,175 right? 181 00:07:28,175 --> 00:07:29,615 So I'm trying to sort that problem out. 182 00:07:29,615 --> 00:07:31,145 That's why I, oh, yeah. 183 00:07:32,435 --> 00:07:32,645 Okay. 184 00:07:32,945 --> 00:07:33,605 So hold on. 185 00:07:35,885 --> 00:07:37,415 I don't, I don't know why it suddenly 186 00:07:38,735 --> 00:07:39,845 unplug it, plug it back in. 187 00:07:41,105 --> 00:07:41,795 I did that. 188 00:07:41,795 --> 00:07:43,715 That's how I got the laptop speaker so far. 189 00:07:43,715 --> 00:07:43,895 Again. 190 00:07:44,045 --> 00:07:44,495 Turn it off. 191 00:07:44,495 --> 00:07:45,035 Turn it back on. 192 00:07:45,905 --> 00:07:46,194 Okay. 193 00:07:48,409 --> 00:07:49,999 The, the interface. 194 00:07:54,530 --> 00:07:54,919 Okay. 195 00:07:54,919 --> 00:07:55,099 Can 196 00:07:55,099 --> 00:07:55,489 you hear 197 00:07:55,489 --> 00:07:57,049 me still through the laptop? 198 00:07:58,280 --> 00:07:58,369 I am, 199 00:07:58,819 --> 00:07:59,719 but it may still be booty. 200 00:07:59,835 --> 00:07:59,955 I 201 00:07:59,955 --> 00:08:00,395 do something. 202 00:08:00,739 --> 00:08:03,049 I don't know, Barbara, if I knew that I would undo it 203 00:08:05,454 --> 00:08:06,890 and why can't I leave the session? 204 00:08:07,429 --> 00:08:08,809 Well, here's a good way to leave the session. 205 00:08:14,015 --> 00:08:15,304 That is a way to leave the session. 206 00:08:20,914 --> 00:08:20,974 Ba. 207 00:08:23,104 --> 00:08:25,294 See, here's where Barb could unmute her computer. 208 00:08:25,865 --> 00:08:30,214 What This is where Barb could unmute her computer and she'd be able to 209 00:08:30,214 --> 00:08:36,064 hear us That and the computer's back on and we can see you. 210 00:08:36,844 --> 00:08:37,385 Can you hear me? 211 00:08:37,414 --> 00:08:37,564 Okay? 212 00:08:37,564 --> 00:08:38,885 And now you're back to normal. 213 00:08:39,334 --> 00:08:39,664 Yeah, 214 00:08:39,724 --> 00:08:43,865 it, I don't, all I did was left a. The thing and rejoined 215 00:08:43,865 --> 00:08:45,155 and it sorted itself out. 216 00:08:45,245 --> 00:08:45,605 There you go. 217 00:08:46,055 --> 00:08:46,325 All right. 218 00:08:50,285 --> 00:08:51,635 Anybody else wanna do this one? 219 00:08:52,715 --> 00:08:53,675 I know which one we're up to. 220 00:08:53,735 --> 00:08:54,095 'cause 221 00:08:54,405 --> 00:08:56,625 the TIS it started, the next item, it 222 00:08:56,955 --> 00:08:57,345 went away. 223 00:09:00,015 --> 00:09:01,785 The recertification grace period. 224 00:09:03,015 --> 00:09:04,425 I'll do the sentinel one though. 225 00:09:04,845 --> 00:09:05,145 Okay. 226 00:09:07,845 --> 00:09:08,535 Lemme read it real quick. 227 00:09:08,535 --> 00:09:09,195 Gimme two seconds. 228 00:09:10,035 --> 00:09:10,705 Barb doesn't wanna do it. 229 00:09:10,995 --> 00:09:13,485 I kind of figured, all right. 230 00:09:13,545 --> 00:09:14,115 Probably can do it. 231 00:09:18,075 --> 00:09:22,995 The GIS certification Institute has affected a, an 232 00:09:24,975 --> 00:09:25,275 okay. 233 00:09:25,335 --> 00:09:26,625 We threw it out or without being ready. 234 00:09:26,625 --> 00:09:31,695 So G-I-S-C-I, the GIS Certification Institute has implemented a new 235 00:09:31,695 --> 00:09:34,295 change to those people who have been. 236 00:09:35,225 --> 00:09:37,235 Tardy in their recertifications. 237 00:09:37,575 --> 00:09:42,465 In the past, they've allowed up to a one year grace period before recertification. 238 00:09:43,035 --> 00:09:45,665 You don't have the full year anymore after j January. 239 00:09:45,665 --> 00:09:48,455 First, you are limited to six months. 240 00:09:48,635 --> 00:09:51,065 Now, one just recertify. 241 00:09:51,125 --> 00:09:56,615 Just whenever they send you an email of like three months in advance, not hard 242 00:09:56,615 --> 00:09:58,865 to put it together, just take care of it. 243 00:09:59,495 --> 00:10:02,345 But if you are behind, make sure not to let it go. 244 00:10:02,345 --> 00:10:03,545 More than six months. 245 00:10:04,130 --> 00:10:06,920 Or you'll have to go through the whole rigmarole of 246 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:08,480 getting re-certified, I guess, 247 00:10:09,620 --> 00:10:11,270 which may take a test. 248 00:10:11,510 --> 00:10:11,810 Yes. 249 00:10:11,810 --> 00:10:14,420 It would mean take a test now if you, if, if, yeah, if you did 250 00:10:14,420 --> 00:10:15,650 not take the test to begin with. 251 00:10:15,650 --> 00:10:17,810 So you definitely don't want to let that expire. 252 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:22,700 So, fun fact, I was thinking about, so the last time, one, I'm gonna 253 00:10:22,700 --> 00:10:27,360 give a caution to what Jesse said about they send you an email, make 254 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:29,255 sure your, your email is up to date. 255 00:10:30,405 --> 00:10:34,995 The recertification thing, because I got mine at my previous place of employment. 256 00:10:34,995 --> 00:10:38,415 And the certification goes, what, three to five years or something like that? 257 00:10:38,415 --> 00:10:39,705 I can't remember the exact link. 258 00:10:39,705 --> 00:10:39,725 It's three. 259 00:10:39,725 --> 00:10:39,735 Yeah. 260 00:10:39,735 --> 00:10:39,770 Link. 261 00:10:40,395 --> 00:10:43,005 It's a, it's a long enough time that you go, oh, I can't remember that. 262 00:10:43,005 --> 00:10:44,055 I need to think about that. 263 00:10:45,195 --> 00:10:48,435 So my, the email I would've gotten would've gone to a dead email 264 00:10:48,465 --> 00:10:49,695 because I don't work there anymore. 265 00:10:49,725 --> 00:10:50,445 And they obviously. 266 00:10:50,885 --> 00:10:52,775 You know, discontinue my account and all that stuff like that. 267 00:10:52,775 --> 00:10:54,095 So I had, did, had to update it. 268 00:10:54,095 --> 00:10:57,695 I did have to update it to make it my current email, my personal email. 269 00:10:57,975 --> 00:11:02,215 Two, I did check to see when mine runs out, which is June something, another, 270 00:11:02,215 --> 00:11:05,335 which does lead me to question is it run out June something, another, and 271 00:11:05,335 --> 00:11:10,075 I have until December, or it runs out like January and I have until June. 272 00:11:10,765 --> 00:11:11,755 I don't know. 273 00:11:11,965 --> 00:11:15,505 All I know is I made a calendar thing in March to start doing that. 274 00:11:15,745 --> 00:11:17,005 So it's not that hard. 275 00:11:17,335 --> 00:11:19,285 It will tell you when your time is up. 276 00:11:19,850 --> 00:11:22,040 One, go make sure your email is up to date. 277 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:25,040 And two, just make a calendar thing that says, Hey, start your 278 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:26,240 recertification on this day. 279 00:11:26,750 --> 00:11:30,860 Yeah, the, the date in your recertification on the website is the 280 00:11:30,860 --> 00:11:33,980 date that your current certification ends. 281 00:11:33,980 --> 00:11:36,380 That does not include any grace periods. 282 00:11:37,085 --> 00:11:37,355 Right. 283 00:11:37,385 --> 00:11:38,675 So, and it's not hard. 284 00:11:38,675 --> 00:11:39,785 You just gotta get the points. 285 00:11:39,845 --> 00:11:42,395 And remember, it's enough points you pass. 286 00:11:42,455 --> 00:11:46,025 Like you don't, there's nothing, there's no bonus credit for more points. 287 00:11:46,295 --> 00:11:49,655 So don't worry about loading up on as many points as you get your hands on. 288 00:11:49,925 --> 00:11:52,415 Just get the number points you need and then move on with life. 289 00:11:55,145 --> 00:11:56,975 And don't wait too long before you recertify, 290 00:11:57,665 --> 00:11:57,905 right? 291 00:11:57,905 --> 00:11:58,985 'cause you don't wanna take the test. 292 00:11:59,345 --> 00:12:01,745 Or if you did take the test, you certainly don't wanna take the test again. 293 00:12:01,955 --> 00:12:02,045 Yeah. 294 00:12:02,045 --> 00:12:02,790 So that's more money. 295 00:12:03,110 --> 00:12:03,170 I 296 00:12:04,130 --> 00:12:08,640 don't really talk about MLI that much, but since they did release three new GNSS 297 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:10,350 receivers, just wanted to highlight that. 298 00:12:10,710 --> 00:12:12,090 There's a link in the show notes. 299 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:13,320 Go check them out. 300 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:17,200 Again, between all the different companies out there they're the ones that tend 301 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:24,510 to be not the least expensive, but this combination of good price and good quality 302 00:12:24,510 --> 00:12:26,250 data and a lot of people are using them. 303 00:12:26,410 --> 00:12:27,310 So there's a lot of. 304 00:12:28,180 --> 00:12:31,060 Resources out there in, in addition to their own support. 305 00:12:31,540 --> 00:12:36,700 So it's just, you know, head out and check them out if you're interested in either 306 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:41,320 field systems or RT Ks or, you know, anything you might want to use these for. 307 00:12:42,580 --> 00:12:45,465 And they have a robust online community when you go to their website. 308 00:12:45,925 --> 00:12:48,980 But I could not find thereabout about their history. 309 00:12:49,350 --> 00:12:53,400 But they do offer a lot of support through their, their website it looks like. 310 00:12:54,975 --> 00:12:56,505 You know, I found out something interesting this 311 00:12:56,505 --> 00:12:58,635 last week that I didn't know. 312 00:12:58,735 --> 00:13:03,275 So part of my job is helping programs with things like certification, 313 00:13:03,275 --> 00:13:05,315 recertification, program review, all that kind of stuff like 314 00:13:05,315 --> 00:13:06,665 that, accreditation issues. 315 00:13:07,315 --> 00:13:11,995 I, I think that was kind of interesting is I, I met with the surveying program 316 00:13:11,995 --> 00:13:15,925 who are up for their program review next year at, at Fairmont State, and 317 00:13:15,925 --> 00:13:18,985 I met with the advisory committee, which is all surveyors, and I found 318 00:13:18,985 --> 00:13:21,895 lots of interesting things about surveying technology that I didn't know. 319 00:13:22,315 --> 00:13:24,805 I didn't realize exactly how varied the. 320 00:13:25,125 --> 00:13:28,635 I'm gonna call it operating systems, but, you know, software and bits and 321 00:13:28,635 --> 00:13:32,445 bobs that each of these companies use are like, apparently the way you do 322 00:13:32,445 --> 00:13:35,445 things in Trimble and versus the way you do them in other things are like 323 00:13:36,165 --> 00:13:37,545 radically different from each other. 324 00:13:38,085 --> 00:13:39,015 It's just kind of interesting. 325 00:13:39,075 --> 00:13:39,895 It, it, it. 326 00:13:41,395 --> 00:13:45,085 It kind of shocked me a little bit of how unstandardized they are 327 00:13:45,085 --> 00:13:46,795 on doing very standard processes. 328 00:13:47,005 --> 00:13:51,265 Even more so than like Arc Map versus ArcGIS versus QGIS. 329 00:13:51,265 --> 00:13:53,305 It's just like apparently, like way different ways of 330 00:13:53,305 --> 00:13:54,325 thinking about the world. 331 00:13:55,075 --> 00:13:55,555 Kind of neat. 332 00:13:56,545 --> 00:13:59,635 And all we care about is getting the appropriate string out 333 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:00,805 so that we can read the data. 334 00:14:02,035 --> 00:14:02,785 Yeah, basically. 335 00:14:02,785 --> 00:14:06,775 But the way they, they do all that stuff is apparently just 336 00:14:07,405 --> 00:14:08,755 radically different from each other. 337 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:14,230 I, I would, the analogy I would use is, it's as different as CAD's approach to, 338 00:14:14,740 --> 00:14:18,740 you know geography as a, as compared to Gi S's approach to geography. 339 00:14:18,740 --> 00:14:21,200 Just very radically different ways of thinking about things. 340 00:14:22,430 --> 00:14:26,030 Alright, so finally in the news, some space news. 341 00:14:26,510 --> 00:14:29,000 The final satellite, I believe it's the final satellite in 342 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:30,290 the Sentinel One mission. 343 00:14:30,290 --> 00:14:33,990 So Copernicus's Sentinel Series has launched successfully. 344 00:14:33,990 --> 00:14:35,460 So launch was November 4th. 345 00:14:36,235 --> 00:14:39,205 And right now of course, it's going undergoing the usual diagnostics. 346 00:14:39,205 --> 00:14:42,905 So that's Sentinel 1D which we'll be pairing with Sentinel one C, which I 347 00:14:42,905 --> 00:14:46,115 believe launched in December of 2024. 348 00:14:46,455 --> 00:14:50,775 Sentinel one A is still capturing imagery, I believe, or capturing data. 349 00:14:51,175 --> 00:14:55,235 Sentinel one B. Actually had to end the mission after a 350 00:14:55,235 --> 00:14:57,155 sensor failure, I think in 2022. 351 00:14:57,155 --> 00:15:01,355 So I'm curious because Sentinel one, C and D are supposed to be twins. 352 00:15:01,545 --> 00:15:04,605 So I'm not sure how a is gonna play into it if it's still capturing 353 00:15:04,605 --> 00:15:05,685 data, which I believe it is. 354 00:15:05,685 --> 00:15:08,255 But these are all sar satellites. 355 00:15:08,255 --> 00:15:12,235 So their sensors are synthetic ature radar and they've given us great data. 356 00:15:12,235 --> 00:15:15,715 I think the Sentinel one A went up as early as what, 2014? 357 00:15:16,125 --> 00:15:16,845 And so. 358 00:15:17,195 --> 00:15:20,345 One of the things that they're very good at is this high resolution. 359 00:15:21,300 --> 00:15:24,930 Elevation data because it can see through clouds and it's not affected by weather. 360 00:15:25,290 --> 00:15:29,360 Sentinel one Ds also got an automatic identification system because one 361 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:32,760 of the things that Sentinels also allowed you to do is track ships 362 00:15:32,890 --> 00:15:34,540 or at least get ship positions. 363 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:39,080 And so the a a IS, the Automatic Identification System 364 00:15:39,130 --> 00:15:40,450 is an improvement on that. 365 00:15:40,450 --> 00:15:44,520 So when it's done with its diagnostic period, it will be hopefully fully 366 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:48,620 operational and continue to give us some really, really good data as 367 00:15:48,620 --> 00:15:50,330 part of a very successful mission. 368 00:15:51,590 --> 00:15:56,080 And twice as, and dated twice as quickly since you have them on Counterpoint, yes. 369 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:56,770 Trajectories. 370 00:15:58,675 --> 00:16:00,835 And that is it for the news 371 00:16:14,935 --> 00:16:15,440 in the web corner. 372 00:16:16,060 --> 00:16:21,010 Talking about geography awareness week and GIS day Within that has been 373 00:16:21,010 --> 00:16:26,560 the 30 day map challenge, and this is a challenge where cartographers and 374 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:31,580 geographers around the world can map to 30 different mapping themes each day. 375 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:35,030 And there's some really great creativity going on out there if 376 00:16:35,030 --> 00:16:36,740 you wanna visit the repository. 377 00:16:37,050 --> 00:16:41,670 One of my favorites was out of New Zealand and it looked at murals. 378 00:16:41,995 --> 00:16:44,905 It was using points of color. 379 00:16:45,025 --> 00:16:48,655 So if you were someone who was looking to, you know, take a photo 380 00:16:48,655 --> 00:16:51,925 of yourself in front of a mural and you wanted a certain color scheme, 381 00:16:51,925 --> 00:16:53,455 now you can go and you can find it. 382 00:16:53,765 --> 00:16:57,185 So I thought, you know, that's just one of those cool ideas that you can. 383 00:16:57,605 --> 00:17:01,985 Put out there on the 30 Day Map challenge to, to show off your own creativity. 384 00:17:12,365 --> 00:17:12,665 It is 385 00:17:12,665 --> 00:17:13,955 Geography Awareness Week. 386 00:17:13,955 --> 00:17:14,615 Welcome. 387 00:17:14,985 --> 00:17:19,635 It is going the 16th through the 22nd. 388 00:17:20,085 --> 00:17:20,655 That seems right. 389 00:17:21,780 --> 00:17:27,180 We'll go with it of 2025 and this year, a, a g 'cause of course, a few years 390 00:17:27,180 --> 00:17:31,600 ago national Geographic stepped away from having themes A couple years later, 391 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:36,120 geo a a g, the Association of American Geographers started to have themes. 392 00:17:36,550 --> 00:17:40,660 This year's theme from the a a G is making spaces of possibility 393 00:17:40,690 --> 00:17:42,430 or making spaces of possibility. 394 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:45,520 How are you planning on. 395 00:17:46,750 --> 00:17:48,760 Celebrating this Geography Awareness Week, 396 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:54,790 we decided to join Making Spaces a Possibility with 397 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:56,440 International Education Week. 398 00:17:57,085 --> 00:18:00,745 And I think that this is gonna be a great collaboration and it's one that 399 00:18:00,745 --> 00:18:04,615 I encourage other people to think about is combining your weeks together. 400 00:18:04,975 --> 00:18:07,645 Because the theme making space is a possibility. 401 00:18:08,035 --> 00:18:11,785 Also goes along with the idea of internationalization of education. 402 00:18:11,815 --> 00:18:14,335 'cause you can't really separate out geography from 403 00:18:14,735 --> 00:18:16,085 international Education Week. 404 00:18:17,315 --> 00:18:20,495 I should also point out that International Education Week is also this week, 405 00:18:20,495 --> 00:18:21,875 it's the 17th through the 21st. 406 00:18:22,265 --> 00:18:24,215 In case people didn't put that together, but. 407 00:18:24,605 --> 00:18:29,105 And, and I wanna give a, a shout out to teach OSM 'cause I'm on the working group. 408 00:18:29,105 --> 00:18:33,825 I encourage anyone out there that's interested in OpenStreetMap and 409 00:18:33,825 --> 00:18:37,855 using that for next year's Geography Awareness week to get involved 410 00:18:37,855 --> 00:18:40,205 and think about doing OSM Mapoon. 411 00:18:41,045 --> 00:18:42,130 We, we've talked to OSM. 412 00:18:43,085 --> 00:18:45,845 Many years ago, many, many years ago. 413 00:18:46,235 --> 00:18:50,325 And you know, they're always looking to push their, their data 414 00:18:50,325 --> 00:18:54,485 and their products further and getting them more open to people. 415 00:18:55,055 --> 00:18:59,315 The this challenge there is always, you know, those hidden spaces that, 416 00:18:59,465 --> 00:19:03,605 that oftentimes don't get mapped particularly certain points of view 417 00:19:03,605 --> 00:19:06,005 or, or, or minority populations. 418 00:19:07,010 --> 00:19:09,080 Mapping their geography can be really powerful. 419 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:13,230 And I think it's a great way to think about geography Awareness Week to 420 00:19:13,230 --> 00:19:17,580 be aware of those spaces that are just, you know not widely known. 421 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:23,530 So Osms a great organization for people to get involved in and do map outs 422 00:19:23,530 --> 00:19:25,090 as part of Geography Awareness Week. 423 00:19:25,090 --> 00:19:25,570 I know that. 424 00:19:25,805 --> 00:19:26,735 What's going on this week? 425 00:19:26,735 --> 00:19:29,735 You probably got locked in, but you know, if you're, it's never too early to start 426 00:19:29,735 --> 00:19:31,235 thinking about other things you could do. 427 00:19:31,685 --> 00:19:35,385 And that's a organization I highly recommend people connect 428 00:19:35,385 --> 00:19:38,865 with to try to see what they can do in their, in their areas. 429 00:19:39,435 --> 00:19:43,845 And I think yeah, even if you don't have, say, specific events 430 00:19:44,035 --> 00:19:46,475 just highlighting all of the. 431 00:19:47,290 --> 00:19:50,830 The concepts in geography, right, that are about even if you take the theme 432 00:19:50,830 --> 00:19:52,390 right, making space is a possibility. 433 00:19:52,390 --> 00:19:55,270 And, and on the a g site, they've got some resources. 434 00:19:55,270 --> 00:19:58,670 And you can also, I, well, it's too late for this year, but you can also 435 00:19:58,670 --> 00:20:02,140 get lots of resources on that and the companion GIS day, which happens on the 436 00:20:02,140 --> 00:20:05,110 Wednesday of Geo Geography Awareness Week. 437 00:20:05,110 --> 00:20:10,060 But just, you know, given those examples, when you get a chance of how, you know 438 00:20:10,120 --> 00:20:12,520 geographers look at the world and see. 439 00:20:12,995 --> 00:20:15,605 Sort of what are, are the patterns, right? 440 00:20:15,605 --> 00:20:19,835 One of the things that I always start off my students with, even in GIS that 441 00:20:19,835 --> 00:20:24,255 come from different places, right, is the idea that recognizing patterns 442 00:20:24,255 --> 00:20:26,055 helps us understand the world around us. 443 00:20:26,355 --> 00:20:30,285 And when we see the patterns and then understand the processes that create them, 444 00:20:30,345 --> 00:20:34,935 right, that gives us the possibility then to say, Hmm, maybe if we see a pattern 445 00:20:35,025 --> 00:20:39,465 that, you know, we would like to improve upon, maybe it's something that, you know. 446 00:20:40,425 --> 00:20:43,545 We don't think is, is the best, then here's a way to 447 00:20:43,545 --> 00:20:45,345 then suggest a solution, right? 448 00:20:45,345 --> 00:20:46,815 That, to, to solve a problem. 449 00:20:47,235 --> 00:20:51,675 So if we notice inequality, if we notice all kinds of things, right, we could see 450 00:20:51,675 --> 00:20:55,755 those patterns and then when maybe we can, can work on the possibility, right? 451 00:20:55,755 --> 00:20:57,285 To tie it to the, to theme. 452 00:20:57,585 --> 00:21:00,515 And so I think that's one of the things just, you know, highlighting 453 00:21:00,515 --> 00:21:04,275 again how geographers look at the world and how that helps us. 454 00:21:04,780 --> 00:21:09,320 Really get a sense of the local and, and broader patterns, right? 455 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:11,960 Which we've talked about for all of our years on the podcast. 456 00:21:12,830 --> 00:21:16,070 If you wanted to do some really quick activities, if you're going, oh, it's 457 00:21:16,070 --> 00:21:19,650 Geography Awareness Week this week you can also look for some of the movies that 458 00:21:19,650 --> 00:21:24,370 relate to geography that you can show and just do a, a movie watching event. 459 00:21:26,050 --> 00:21:30,290 Yeah, there's a a film series that a gentleman that was strongly involved 460 00:21:30,290 --> 00:21:33,470 in the GIS community within West Virginia named gene Del Greco, 461 00:21:33,890 --> 00:21:40,490 who did, he clipped out bits of geospatial things within TV and 462 00:21:40,490 --> 00:21:43,580 movies, and he's got version three now. 463 00:21:43,580 --> 00:21:44,755 So it's like three versions of this. 464 00:21:44,875 --> 00:21:46,550 I think it's a total combined hours of. 465 00:21:47,015 --> 00:21:49,295 Six or seven hours worth of material. 466 00:21:49,475 --> 00:21:53,105 So it appears a lot, there's a lot there that you can tap into if you 467 00:21:53,105 --> 00:21:54,635 wanted to do that sort of thing. 468 00:21:54,635 --> 00:21:58,265 Looking at, at media and you know, how geography is used in there, 469 00:21:58,265 --> 00:22:02,035 particularly the annoying things which you know, I, and to lesser extent 470 00:22:02,065 --> 00:22:05,335 Jesse have complained about over the years with the TV show numbers 471 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:09,060 situations where people don't realize what they're doing as geospatial work. 472 00:22:09,120 --> 00:22:10,290 They're calling it something else. 473 00:22:10,610 --> 00:22:10,940 But. 474 00:22:11,690 --> 00:22:14,240 You know, there's lots that you can tap into and they're a great way 475 00:22:14,300 --> 00:22:19,340 to introduce people into geographic concepts, at least I think so. 476 00:22:19,850 --> 00:22:24,230 And so, coming back around to the topic of making spaces a possibility, what 477 00:22:24,230 --> 00:22:25,910 are your thoughts on, on this idea? 478 00:22:26,645 --> 00:22:31,415 On the a EG side, it says, possibility is a footstep, a hand outstretched, 479 00:22:31,415 --> 00:22:36,905 a horizon, glimpsed, a purpose spoken possibility is grasping the past 480 00:22:36,905 --> 00:22:41,315 and present of a place and acting to move it into a positive future. 481 00:22:41,965 --> 00:22:48,395 My gut reaction was, it's almost sounds like baby steps which I get, you know. 482 00:22:49,295 --> 00:22:54,275 But maybe I'm reading it in too limiting to, to their definition, but it feels 483 00:22:54,275 --> 00:22:58,385 like they're saying, okay, find, find something that you can actually influence, 484 00:22:58,385 --> 00:23:05,465 you know, the, you know, act local sort of piece of, of the common phrase. 485 00:23:06,275 --> 00:23:09,395 That's what it kind of felt like to me, which is not a terrible idea 486 00:23:09,395 --> 00:23:13,985 because the sum of thousands of baby steps is quite a large leap. 487 00:23:14,465 --> 00:23:14,975 So. 488 00:23:16,115 --> 00:23:20,255 I like that they're encouraging us all to kinda look around locally in, in 489 00:23:20,255 --> 00:23:25,615 my interpretation and make a positive impact on some in the spaces that 490 00:23:25,615 --> 00:23:27,020 we inhabit on a day-to-day basis. 491 00:23:28,975 --> 00:23:32,935 I've been working on a Wiki entry for Geography Awareness Week and 492 00:23:32,935 --> 00:23:37,145 have sort of been getting a, a crash course in the, the history of it. 493 00:23:37,565 --> 00:23:43,325 And I believe that possibilities is one of the running themes they've had since it 494 00:23:43,325 --> 00:23:46,955 started in 19 87, 19 88 by proclamation. 495 00:23:47,805 --> 00:23:48,330 This is, I think, the. 496 00:23:48,620 --> 00:23:51,500 Third time, not space is a possibility, but there's been 497 00:23:51,830 --> 00:23:53,330 something with possibility. 498 00:23:53,330 --> 00:23:57,710 So I think there's always been this look towards the future and optimism 499 00:23:58,130 --> 00:24:02,300 and the fact that, you know, geographers can create change in the world. 500 00:24:03,290 --> 00:24:04,160 Well, I think right? 501 00:24:04,460 --> 00:24:05,300 Awareness. 502 00:24:06,380 --> 00:24:09,710 Awareness not so much is possibility, but opens up possibility, right? 503 00:24:10,010 --> 00:24:15,190 So when you are making those spaces a possibility it's that recognition. 504 00:24:15,750 --> 00:24:18,780 Of whatever, whatever the thing is, as you say, Frank, that maybe it's 505 00:24:18,780 --> 00:24:23,380 something local, but first that recognition that something's going on. 506 00:24:23,930 --> 00:24:26,260 And then from that, you know, what can we do? 507 00:24:26,650 --> 00:24:26,920 Right? 508 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:30,400 Whether it's even, you know, something local like you, you notice that there's 509 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:34,360 an area that you'd like to see some green space and maybe, you know, maybe that's 510 00:24:34,360 --> 00:24:37,570 something that you do like, well, let me, let me see if there's an effort I can do 511 00:24:37,570 --> 00:24:40,030 to get this green space protected, or. 512 00:24:40,330 --> 00:24:43,390 You know, there might be something infrastructure wise like, can I, 513 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:45,130 can I get involved or see, right? 514 00:24:45,130 --> 00:24:48,820 I, I can see on these maps that you know, we don't have the road system 515 00:24:48,820 --> 00:24:51,700 that we need to handle all our new population or something like that. 516 00:24:51,700 --> 00:24:56,030 And, and so first recognizing that through an understanding of the, 517 00:24:56,030 --> 00:25:00,860 the geography, right, can open up the possibility that you can have a. 518 00:25:01,830 --> 00:25:07,470 You could have a, a voice or something in that potential, that potential, right? 519 00:25:07,470 --> 00:25:09,895 That possibility of making a change. 520 00:25:11,385 --> 00:25:15,855 And going back to what Jesse said, I think the theme has always been set 521 00:25:15,885 --> 00:25:19,935 around the idea of what are the current challenges that are going on in the world. 522 00:25:20,175 --> 00:25:24,165 So one of the earlier themes was about protecting the National Park Service 523 00:25:24,445 --> 00:25:26,645 and national Park land preservation. 524 00:25:27,085 --> 00:25:31,525 So, you know, it feels like these themes reflect maybe not what's going 525 00:25:31,525 --> 00:25:35,285 on right now, but generally what's going on around the world within 526 00:25:35,285 --> 00:25:38,735 the, the past year or two or since the last Geography awareness week? 527 00:25:39,125 --> 00:25:42,635 I think you know, if we look at this idea of a hand outstretched it is 528 00:25:42,635 --> 00:25:45,455 of course that awareness, making sure that we get the word out. 529 00:25:45,615 --> 00:25:48,435 But also, you know, utilizing our, our knowledge too. 530 00:25:48,885 --> 00:25:51,195 Put our, our feet in on the ground, I guess. 531 00:25:51,945 --> 00:25:52,815 Well, I think too, right? 532 00:25:52,815 --> 00:25:56,385 Part of this theme maybe is also that as geographers to bring our 533 00:25:56,385 --> 00:26:00,825 voice more strongly, even if we can, even if it's only for small things 534 00:26:01,635 --> 00:26:04,605 out into the, the broader world. 535 00:26:05,095 --> 00:26:05,815 To help guide? 536 00:26:06,055 --> 00:26:06,175 Yes. 537 00:26:06,325 --> 00:26:06,565 Alright. 538 00:26:06,775 --> 00:26:07,105 So 539 00:26:07,825 --> 00:26:09,890 have local community organizations. 540 00:26:09,890 --> 00:26:14,970 We have local businesses that need support, especially small businesses 541 00:26:14,970 --> 00:26:19,240 that you could work with if you see places where they might not 542 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,870 necessarily have the knowledge about a particular thing that you do. 543 00:26:23,390 --> 00:26:23,515 You know. 544 00:26:24,545 --> 00:26:28,295 Giving them a, a little boost up by just letting them know about things. 545 00:26:28,295 --> 00:26:31,805 Not necessarily doing it for them, but just letting them know that this might 546 00:26:31,805 --> 00:26:36,005 be something they could take advantage of in terms of geospatial technologies or 547 00:26:36,005 --> 00:26:38,885 just spatial knowledge of a certain type. 548 00:26:38,915 --> 00:26:43,385 So certain, you know, if you have a, a local creamery. 549 00:26:44,225 --> 00:26:48,245 And you want, you know, maybe them to use more local ingredients, 550 00:26:48,245 --> 00:26:52,085 pointing them out to pointing out specific sources that you know of. 551 00:26:53,135 --> 00:26:53,780 Yeah, because I think. 552 00:26:54,620 --> 00:26:57,710 I think that, that maybe because we've been doing, we've been doing 553 00:26:57,710 --> 00:27:02,000 it so long, or, you know, as a geographers or geospatial technologist, 554 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:03,660 whatever we're so immersed in it. 555 00:27:03,660 --> 00:27:06,660 We assume people know that these things exist, right. 556 00:27:06,660 --> 00:27:08,550 The tools to do this, the perspective. 557 00:27:08,550 --> 00:27:13,080 But I, I, just, a couple weeks ago we visited an, an amazing local project where 558 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,420 they're working on a historic cemetery. 559 00:27:15,855 --> 00:27:20,575 Two, it had been re-identified right to and students at, at our university are 560 00:27:20,575 --> 00:27:22,045 participating in the local community. 561 00:27:22,045 --> 00:27:27,245 But I had a great chat with the local historian who had been instrumental 562 00:27:27,675 --> 00:27:32,765 in, in, you know, getting recognition and getting a partial kind of access 563 00:27:32,765 --> 00:27:35,105 to the site, to the area Right. 564 00:27:35,105 --> 00:27:35,495 To. 565 00:27:36,350 --> 00:27:38,090 Get efforts to do cleanup and all that. 566 00:27:38,090 --> 00:27:41,420 But when we were talking about things that, you know, they, they were unaware, 567 00:27:41,420 --> 00:27:44,950 for example of that you could map these things until they had just seen the work 568 00:27:44,950 --> 00:27:50,600 going on that all these other things can go on to help identify first, right. 569 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:52,310 And then hopefully protect things. 570 00:27:52,310 --> 00:27:53,020 But, but it just. 571 00:27:53,675 --> 00:27:57,245 Reiterated for me that, you know, there are so many things that, 572 00:27:57,245 --> 00:27:58,685 that we can do to help people. 573 00:27:58,685 --> 00:28:02,685 And if we aren't the voice to tell them that these exist, they don't know. 574 00:28:02,745 --> 00:28:03,615 They still don't know. 575 00:28:03,615 --> 00:28:07,735 And so I think it's, it's good not to make the assumption that people are aware. 576 00:28:08,375 --> 00:28:10,865 And just, you know, continue to see where you might just say, Hey, 577 00:28:10,865 --> 00:28:13,545 you know you could do this, right? 578 00:28:13,545 --> 00:28:16,735 You could map this, or you could share this information. 579 00:28:16,735 --> 00:28:19,435 As you say, the Kramer example is actually a really good one, right? 580 00:28:19,435 --> 00:28:22,705 Is that while there are growing communities to work on these kinds of 581 00:28:22,705 --> 00:28:26,215 things, there's still plenty of pap places where people just don't know yet. 582 00:28:27,625 --> 00:28:27,925 Yeah. 583 00:28:27,925 --> 00:28:32,365 It always sur, it does surprise me that how little people are 584 00:28:32,365 --> 00:28:34,135 aware that they can answer. 585 00:28:34,675 --> 00:28:39,805 Question very easily that they have, and they come up with really 586 00:28:39,805 --> 00:28:42,595 convoluted ways to do things. 587 00:28:43,015 --> 00:28:48,565 And that always, it always shocks me until I remember working around my house 588 00:28:48,625 --> 00:28:51,445 trying to do things like landscaping or whatever, and then a landscaper 589 00:28:51,445 --> 00:28:52,615 go, aren't you just use this tool? 590 00:28:52,615 --> 00:28:54,325 And you're like, I didn't even know that tool existed. 591 00:28:54,325 --> 00:28:55,855 I didn't know there was a thing that did that. 592 00:28:56,225 --> 00:29:00,425 So, you know, it it, it happens to everyone at, at some point. 593 00:29:01,475 --> 00:29:04,565 That you end up chasing up a a, a direction because it's the 594 00:29:04,565 --> 00:29:06,305 only way you know how to work it. 595 00:29:06,395 --> 00:29:09,575 That sometimes takes somebody who's an expert to come in and go, Hey, 596 00:29:09,575 --> 00:29:11,495 you know, there's an easier way to do what you're trying to do, right? 597 00:29:11,975 --> 00:29:13,145 And I can help you. 598 00:29:13,535 --> 00:29:17,525 So you know, you can be that person for so many people. 599 00:29:17,525 --> 00:29:21,245 Even if you're not a geospatial technology person, you can be aware of it. 600 00:29:21,245 --> 00:29:25,085 You should be aware of it as a geographer, that something like that exists, that you 601 00:29:25,085 --> 00:29:27,635 can help people get in touch with it or. 602 00:29:27,705 --> 00:29:32,175 With people who can do it or places that, that are familiar with it, and it's not 603 00:29:32,175 --> 00:29:37,245 gonna cost for those, for those who are unaware, it's not gonna cost you tens 604 00:29:37,245 --> 00:29:38,895 of thousands of dollars necessarily. 605 00:29:38,895 --> 00:29:42,375 There's lots of people that can do this technology and would like to 606 00:29:42,375 --> 00:29:45,675 do it to improve their community to to help out for whatever reason. 607 00:29:46,820 --> 00:29:51,630 And I also wanna say, because I have heard this a few times, that if you were, you 608 00:29:51,630 --> 00:29:55,980 know, exposed to this even a few years ago, like 10 years ago, five years ago 609 00:29:56,280 --> 00:30:00,900 in school or through a community event, and you felt like it was very complex and 610 00:30:00,900 --> 00:30:02,845 complicated and clunky, that things have. 611 00:30:03,250 --> 00:30:08,800 You know, been u more user friendly and they continue to, you know, become easier 612 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,530 and easier for the public to be a part of. 613 00:30:11,870 --> 00:30:15,740 So don't be put off by an experience you might have had a long time ago. 614 00:30:15,740 --> 00:30:19,850 When we're in a area that continues to, to grow and expand, 615 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,080 of course we strongly encourage you to head over to look at a lot of the 616 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:25,580 different resources that are out there. 617 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,980 Again, not as much on the National Geographic side 618 00:30:28,980 --> 00:30:30,950 anymore as there used to be. 619 00:30:30,950 --> 00:30:36,830 So there's general information that kind of, I think goes back a couple of years. 620 00:30:37,220 --> 00:30:39,740 But of course there is a g information. 621 00:30:39,740 --> 00:30:46,940 So if you go over to aag.org/geography awareness dash week dash 2025. 622 00:30:48,260 --> 00:30:52,510 You'll find their information and you know, they work 623 00:30:52,510 --> 00:30:53,770 with various organizations. 624 00:30:53,770 --> 00:30:57,910 They also worked with Esri, of course, with GIS Day, national Council for 625 00:30:57,910 --> 00:31:02,260 Geographic Education, so NCGE in terms of their sponsors for the week. 626 00:31:02,790 --> 00:31:05,640 And there's a lot of, you know, resources on that page. 627 00:31:05,670 --> 00:31:10,590 In addition to those organizations, there's also a link to a story map. 628 00:31:11,220 --> 00:31:13,260 And link to become a geo advocate. 629 00:31:13,260 --> 00:31:17,130 Now, I'll say that I've been a geo advocate for a few years now, and I 630 00:31:17,130 --> 00:31:21,090 don't think anybody's ever reached out to me through that particular thing. 631 00:31:21,210 --> 00:31:27,370 But you never know who might one day need access to your knowledge. 632 00:31:27,430 --> 00:31:31,510 And so being on that geo advocate page just provides 633 00:31:31,510 --> 00:31:32,710 a way for people to find you. 634 00:31:32,710 --> 00:31:35,620 And actually, I just realized I probably didn't update it 635 00:31:35,620 --> 00:31:38,215 after I. Switched universities. 636 00:31:38,965 --> 00:31:43,645 So nobody in North Carolina has reached out to me, so I should probably update 637 00:31:43,645 --> 00:31:45,055 my information for South Carolina. 638 00:31:45,385 --> 00:31:45,775 There you go. 639 00:31:45,895 --> 00:31:49,885 That's your, that's your administrative task for Geography Awareness Week. 640 00:31:49,885 --> 00:31:50,065 Yeah. 641 00:31:50,065 --> 00:31:53,035 Is to, is to update your geography. 642 00:31:53,815 --> 00:31:57,745 Well, you know having been involved in this sorts of things for a while is an 643 00:31:57,745 --> 00:32:00,385 excellent chance that nobody reached out to you even if you had updated. 644 00:32:00,535 --> 00:32:03,415 And one of the things that I think that we do. 645 00:32:04,330 --> 00:32:11,080 Poorly as a as a body of of people is, we're very good at saying, I'm 646 00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:16,750 here and I'm willing to help, which is good, but if you ever had an intern, 647 00:32:17,140 --> 00:32:21,970 I'm here and willing to help from an intern, tells you, I've just invented 648 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,360 a lot more work I'm gonna have to do on top of the work that I have to do. 649 00:32:26,410 --> 00:32:29,170 Because directing people takes a lot of time and energy. 650 00:32:29,590 --> 00:32:32,860 So what I think we could do a better job of, and I would challenge all 651 00:32:32,860 --> 00:32:38,230 of our geographers and geospatial people is not, is not stop at I'm here 652 00:32:38,230 --> 00:32:43,660 and I'm willing to help figure out where you can get involved actively. 653 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:47,590 And I'm as guilty as everybody of, of not doing this, but get 654 00:32:47,590 --> 00:32:52,810 involved actively to help without, you know, needing somebody to. 655 00:32:53,395 --> 00:32:54,865 Tell you exactly what to do. 656 00:32:55,165 --> 00:32:55,765 It's hard. 657 00:32:55,765 --> 00:33:00,865 I know we're all busy people, but I think it does play along in the theme of 658 00:33:00,865 --> 00:33:02,215 this year's geography wearing this week. 659 00:33:03,325 --> 00:33:06,145 And I think I would add onto that too is that sometimes, I mean, we've 660 00:33:06,145 --> 00:33:09,085 given examples that might have to do, say with the mapping end of things 661 00:33:09,085 --> 00:33:12,655 or something like that, but sometimes just your geographic perspective 662 00:33:12,655 --> 00:33:14,305 can help people interpret things. 663 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:20,000 And, you know, if you're talking about, say trying to characterize 664 00:33:20,060 --> 00:33:22,700 an area or a neighborhood, right? 665 00:33:22,700 --> 00:33:27,050 For some kind of advocacy, advocacy purpose even, or, or just, you know, 666 00:33:27,050 --> 00:33:30,290 maybe some informational stuff, just the geographic perspective 667 00:33:30,290 --> 00:33:34,770 alone aside from any of the, the practical mapping you do can often 668 00:33:34,770 --> 00:33:36,760 be an important part of that, right? 669 00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:40,240 So say the ability to take a look at something and see it as a landscape. 670 00:33:40,690 --> 00:33:43,360 As opposed to a collection of houses or something like that. 671 00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:49,190 So even those types of things are valuable and, and you know, if, if you feel you 672 00:33:49,190 --> 00:33:53,120 can, you can, you know, speak up and kind of help and just say, here, here's a, a 673 00:33:53,180 --> 00:33:54,650 perspective maybe you haven't thought of. 674 00:33:55,175 --> 00:33:58,475 And, and Sue, what you said made me think of another resource people could grab 675 00:33:58,475 --> 00:34:03,555 right away, which is the many YouTube videos out now being made by Geographers. 676 00:34:03,805 --> 00:34:06,415 But of course the really great geography series created by 677 00:34:06,415 --> 00:34:09,385 Mr. Sin who does AP Geography. 678 00:34:09,385 --> 00:34:11,995 You know, you could grab any one of his lessons and use that. 679 00:34:12,455 --> 00:34:15,995 I really like his reading the landscape, his exercise and cultural 680 00:34:15,995 --> 00:34:19,835 geography because he has, you guess what's going on in a, in a photo. 681 00:34:20,265 --> 00:34:21,375 And it's always a lot of fun. 682 00:34:22,545 --> 00:34:26,325 And so with that, enjoy your geography Awareness week. 683 00:34:26,475 --> 00:34:27,945 Enjoy your GIS day. 684 00:34:29,295 --> 00:34:34,065 Enjoy your middle of November, right before maybe a holiday for you if you're 685 00:34:34,065 --> 00:34:36,735 in the United States, a little bit after a holiday, if you're in Canada and. 686 00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:40,140 Probably not a holiday for you at all if you're in other parts of the world, 687 00:34:40,230 --> 00:34:43,020 but enjoy the geography awareness 688 00:34:54,900 --> 00:34:55,650 on the Defense Corner. 689 00:34:55,650 --> 00:34:59,590 As always, we encourage you to check out events near you, not near you 690 00:35:00,100 --> 00:35:03,760 anywhere, everywhere, all at once. 691 00:35:04,885 --> 00:35:08,635 Geo Week 2026 is gonna be February 16th through the 18th in Denver. 692 00:35:08,635 --> 00:35:11,635 And of course this is a culmination of a few different 693 00:35:11,635 --> 00:35:13,645 events that are going on there. 694 00:35:14,035 --> 00:35:14,245 Yeah. 695 00:35:14,545 --> 00:35:15,955 So go and check that out. 696 00:35:16,585 --> 00:35:20,425 And of course, we spoke at the beginning about the event in New York City, 697 00:35:20,575 --> 00:35:21,595 geography 2050. 698 00:35:21,835 --> 00:35:22,495 Correct. 699 00:35:23,545 --> 00:35:23,905 Of course. 700 00:35:23,905 --> 00:35:25,735 If you'd like us to add your event to the podcast, send us an 701 00:35:25,735 --> 00:35:27,385 email to podcast@veryspatial.com. 702 00:35:28,045 --> 00:35:31,405 If you'd like to reach us individually, I could be reached at sue@veryspatial.com. 703 00:35:31,930 --> 00:35:32,080 I'm 704 00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:33,490 barb@veryspatial.com. 705 00:35:33,730 --> 00:35:36,340 You can reach me atFrank@veryspatial.com, and I'm 706 00:35:36,340 --> 00:35:38,110 available at jesse@veryspatial.com. 707 00:35:38,110 --> 00:35:40,540 And of course, you can find all of our contact information over 708 00:35:40,540 --> 00:35:42,850 at very spatial.com/contacts. 709 00:35:43,275 --> 00:35:43,615 As always. 710 00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:46,210 We are the folks from very spatial. 711 00:35:46,215 --> 00:35:46,895 Thanks for listening. 712 00:35:47,225 --> 00:35:48,255 We'll see you in a couple weeks. 713 00:35:59,155 --> 00:36:00,335 It seems like I'm. 714 00:36:12,185 --> 00:36:12,475 Whoa. 715 00:36:16,470 --> 00:36:18,365 I've uncovered all kind. 716 00:36:23,085 --> 00:36:23,205 I. 717 00:36:33,240 --> 00:36:33,630 Means 718 00:36:36,720 --> 00:36:37,770 love be. 719 00:36:43,095 --> 00:36:54,875 I'm my way back and whoa, near side of the greater unknown. 720 00:36:57,210 --> 00:36:58,590 There's a place I'm welcoming. 721 00:36:58,830 --> 00:36:59,610 There's a place I'm. 722 00:37:03,235 --> 00:37:03,585 Alone. 723 00:37:04,410 --> 00:37:05,370 A place called. 724 00:37:22,220 --> 00:37:23,930 Oh, I've watched for miles 725 00:37:26,060 --> 00:37:27,290 for adventure. 726 00:37:30,620 --> 00:37:31,190 Yeah. 727 00:37:31,190 --> 00:37:31,760 I've seen, 728 00:37:39,625 --> 00:37:39,915 yeah. 729 00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:56,875 Oh, I'm on my way, my way back home, and I know 730 00:38:00,065 --> 00:38:02,755 this side of the greater unknown. 731 00:38:04,865 --> 00:38:06,435 There's a place I'm welcoming. 732 00:38:06,435 --> 00:38:08,395 There's a place I'm called. 733 00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:13,860 Called ho 734 00:38:16,590 --> 00:38:18,020 Place called Ho 735 00:38:25,780 --> 00:38:28,060 au Way back home. 736 00:38:30,655 --> 00:38:31,975 There's a place I'm welcome in. 737 00:38:32,275 --> 00:38:34,290 There's a place I know I'm called Friend. 738 00:38:34,290 --> 00:38:37,090 There's a place here, I'm never alone. 739 00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:39,330 There's a place called Ho, 740 00:38:42,050 --> 00:38:42,930 a place called, 741 00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:46,850 there's a place called 742 00:38:50,570 --> 00:38:51,410 a place called.