You're listening to episode 773 of a very spatial podcast, November 16th, 2025.
Hello and welcome to a very spatial podcast.
I'm Jesse.
I'm Sue.
I'm Barb,
and this is Frank.
And this week just wanna remind you, not in the, the events corner, because we
forgot to do it in the events corner, and now it's happening this week.
Geography Awareness Week that the A GS 2050 or sorry, geography, 2050 by a GS
is happening in, I believe in New York.
Yes, still in New York.
And this year's theme.
Which I think might be the same as last year's theme ish.
The Future of Geo Geo, OAI and the Planet.
So, yeah.
I don't know why we forgot to put that in the show notes this year.
Hmm.
But we did,
but it's November 20th and 21st.
Yeah.
So this week at Columbia in New York.
Yes.
Yeah.
I don't think anybody's gonna change their plans to go now, but
they're already in New York.
It's a big city.
It's true.
They also post it virtually.
They do a very good virtual sessions,
so.
And of course that also highlights the fact that it is Geography Awareness Week,
which we will come back to after the news.
Speaking of ai, Google Maps is now getting a, what they call
a powerful boost with Gemini.
Gemini of course, is one of their.
It's the latest version of the latest iteration of the name of, of, I think
all of the other pieces technically are part of Gemini.
So Notebook, LM and Veo and all the,
I can't, I can't give you straight.
But anyway, this is their AI module.
'cause everybody has to have an AI module now for everything.
So they're including that within Google Maps.
It's supposed to help find, you know, landmarks better and
make navigation easier and.
To some extent it's supposed to help with like traffic issues, but
honestly, I found that Google Maps was okay before that with traffic issues.
So I'm not sure how it's gonna make it better not living in
a severely urbanized area.
Normally we don't have to worry about it terribly much, but if you are,
then hopefully Gemini will help you.
Your use of Google Maps in your navigating around the traffic, I, I have to say if
I sound underwhelmed, it's because I am.
To be honest with you.
Well, I think,
I
think we generally are right.
Yeah.
I
mean like the stuff that you could do, although the proactive tra traffic
alerts for Android are maybe interesting, although that could get frustrating.
But I mean, the other thing is really if you like, if you like to
be able to be more conversational when you ask questions, right.
Instead of having to think, how do I need to phrase this to
get it, to give me the answer.
I mean, that's probably the only real,
I, I don't trust it, I guess is what it is.
Yeah.
Well there's that.
When I've had the, not that it'll find wrong results, it's just the conversation.
It'll be like talking to an somebody who's not very bright.
It's just like, why are you not getting what I'm laying down here?
So.
To some extent, I find the, the weird ways of having to phrase
things to be more effective still.
So that's kind of, yeah.
Plus, I mean, like,
it, I think that
it's not for everyone.
Yeah.
It's not for us generally, but it's out there.
I was thinking
the, the landmarks would help if someone's older.
You know, a lot of times if they, they go by landmarks, but
at the same time will it include landmarks that are no longer there?
But were there,
i I would actually counterpoint that.
I think that the landmarks would be, 'cause those who are older are used
to roadmaps and what roads names are.
Yeah.
Oftentimes
yes and no.
I would, I would back up, Barb here, maybe this is, there's a different
divide going on here, but I, I navigate by landmarks and will tell
other landmark people based on it.
But the change chart, so for, so people who are are older
may be thinking of landmarks that aren't there anymore.
Yes.
And we've had that conversation in the podcast where, you know, people are.
A, as Frank gave the example of the bar or whatever it was, Enos,
that was gone 20 years ago, and yet people are still determined
to give directions based on that.
Yeah.
Now AI and Google Maps don't know what the old landmarks were.
They're telling you the new landmarks and you're like, I have no idea what that is.
Yeah.
I totally, but maybe they'll learn.
But, but
for the entire Google map team that is listening to this
podcast, here's what your, here's my free, free product for you.
Okay?
What I want is I want navigation that knows places that I know about already.
Like friends houses.
And then it needs to figure out at what point I need to
deviate from that navigation.
So in other words, if I don't know how to get to a particular road
or restaurant in town, 'cause I just don't really go over there.
If it just goes, Hey, go to Lowe's.
And I'll go, okay, cool.
And I'll go to Lowe's.
And at a certain point it goes, okay, you need to deviate from your normal
path to lows that at this point now I'll give you turn by turn directions.
That's what I want.
Yeah.
But the problem there is.
To and tomorrow you'll be able to do that using some agent
they're building right now.
I don't give anybody my contacts list.
I don't even give my car my contacts list.
I it and that, and that's
fine, but I mean, it would know where you've gone.
Like if you go to Lowe's a lot because you own a house and you have to buy
stuff, you could like go to, I get really annoyed that it tells me, go to
the New York driveway and hang a left.
I'm like, okay, well first of all, I live on a dead end road, so basically
that's the only way I can go.
So, duh.
Then it, you get to the next place and it's like, okay, if I take
a right, I go to another dead end road, so take a left here.
I'm like.
I know, I know how to get to my outta my house, man.
You don't need to gimme those erections.
The only reason I do it differently is because of the traffic, actually, oddly
enough, is that basically if there's a holdup on the interstate, so where I
live is sort of the confluence of two interstates that come together, and lately
there's been, because of construction and people are idiots, there's been a lot of
wrecks on either one of those interstates.
So sometimes I do ask it that.
So it tells me.
Which way to go, basically avoid the wreck and the traffic.
So that's, that's what that's about.
But it's still annoying.
Completely different topic.
And something we have not talked about in apparently roughly six years or so,
is the fact that Map guide, open source version four, is released as a final
version in the last couple of weeks.
It's been at 3.1 0.2 for the last six years plus.
So it's, it's interesting to, to see it get a new release.
And so yeah, it's been, I guess, six years since we gave the last
update on map guide open source.
I haven't looked at Map Guide in at least that long, but now I think I should
go back and take a look again with,
with our daily lives where we live more in Arc Gs online than open source,
which I feel bad about a lot of times.
I just don't have time to build things, but.
It's out.
Also out.
G-I-S-C-I has announced changes.
Yes.
What is, what is this for?
What is this?
Clapping.
Can you hear
us at all?
Yeah.
We can't hear you.
It's not coming through here, but it's, I can hear you through my laptop
speakers, but I don't know why it just suddenly stopped coming through here.
Well, we're
also hearing you through your laptop microphone,
right?
So I'm trying to sort that problem out.
That's why I, oh, yeah.
Okay.
So hold on.
I don't, I don't know why it suddenly
unplug it, plug it back in.
I did that.
That's how I got the laptop speaker so far.
Again.
Turn it off.
Turn it back on.
Okay.
The, the interface.
Okay.
Can
you hear
me still through the laptop?
I am,
but it may still be booty.
I
do something.
I don't know, Barbara, if I knew that I would undo it
and why can't I leave the session?
Well, here's a good way to leave the session.
That is a way to leave the session.
Ba.
See, here's where Barb could unmute her computer.
What This is where Barb could unmute her computer and she'd be able to
hear us That and the computer's back on and we can see you.
Can you hear me?
Okay?
And now you're back to normal.
Yeah,
it, I don't, all I did was left a. The thing and rejoined
and it sorted itself out.
There you go.
All right.
Anybody else wanna do this one?
I know which one we're up to.
'cause
the TIS it started, the next item, it
went away.
The recertification grace period.
I'll do the sentinel one though.
Okay.
Lemme read it real quick.
Gimme two seconds.
Barb doesn't wanna do it.
I kind of figured, all right.
Probably can do it.
The GIS certification Institute has affected a, an
okay.
We threw it out or without being ready.
So G-I-S-C-I, the GIS Certification Institute has implemented a new
change to those people who have been.
Tardy in their recertifications.
In the past, they've allowed up to a one year grace period before recertification.
You don't have the full year anymore after j January.
First, you are limited to six months.
Now, one just recertify.
Just whenever they send you an email of like three months in advance, not hard
to put it together, just take care of it.
But if you are behind, make sure not to let it go.
More than six months.
Or you'll have to go through the whole rigmarole of
getting re-certified, I guess,
which may take a test.
Yes.
It would mean take a test now if you, if, if, yeah, if you did
not take the test to begin with.
So you definitely don't want to let that expire.
So, fun fact, I was thinking about, so the last time, one, I'm gonna
give a caution to what Jesse said about they send you an email, make
sure your, your email is up to date.
The recertification thing, because I got mine at my previous place of employment.
And the certification goes, what, three to five years or something like that?
I can't remember the exact link.
It's three.
Yeah.
Link.
It's a, it's a long enough time that you go, oh, I can't remember that.
I need to think about that.
So my, the email I would've gotten would've gone to a dead email
because I don't work there anymore.
And they obviously.
You know, discontinue my account and all that stuff like that.
So I had, did, had to update it.
I did have to update it to make it my current email, my personal email.
Two, I did check to see when mine runs out, which is June something, another,
which does lead me to question is it run out June something, another, and
I have until December, or it runs out like January and I have until June.
I don't know.
All I know is I made a calendar thing in March to start doing that.
So it's not that hard.
It will tell you when your time is up.
One, go make sure your email is up to date.
And two, just make a calendar thing that says, Hey, start your
recertification on this day.
Yeah, the, the date in your recertification on the website is the
date that your current certification ends.
That does not include any grace periods.
Right.
So, and it's not hard.
You just gotta get the points.
And remember, it's enough points you pass.
Like you don't, there's nothing, there's no bonus credit for more points.
So don't worry about loading up on as many points as you get your hands on.
Just get the number points you need and then move on with life.
And don't wait too long before you recertify,
right?
'cause you don't wanna take the test.
Or if you did take the test, you certainly don't wanna take the test again.
Yeah.
So that's more money.
I
don't really talk about MLI that much, but since they did release three new GNSS
receivers, just wanted to highlight that.
There's a link in the show notes.
Go check them out.
Again, between all the different companies out there they're the ones that tend
to be not the least expensive, but this combination of good price and good quality
data and a lot of people are using them.
So there's a lot of.
Resources out there in, in addition to their own support.
So it's just, you know, head out and check them out if you're interested in either
field systems or RT Ks or, you know, anything you might want to use these for.
And they have a robust online community when you go to their website.
But I could not find thereabout about their history.
But they do offer a lot of support through their, their website it looks like.
You know, I found out something interesting this
last week that I didn't know.
So part of my job is helping programs with things like certification,
recertification, program review, all that kind of stuff like
that, accreditation issues.
I, I think that was kind of interesting is I, I met with the surveying program
who are up for their program review next year at, at Fairmont State, and
I met with the advisory committee, which is all surveyors, and I found
lots of interesting things about surveying technology that I didn't know.
I didn't realize exactly how varied the.
I'm gonna call it operating systems, but, you know, software and bits and
bobs that each of these companies use are like, apparently the way you do
things in Trimble and versus the way you do them in other things are like
radically different from each other.
It's just kind of interesting.
It, it, it.
It kind of shocked me a little bit of how unstandardized they are
on doing very standard processes.
Even more so than like Arc Map versus ArcGIS versus QGIS.
It's just like apparently, like way different ways of
thinking about the world.
Kind of neat.
And all we care about is getting the appropriate string out
so that we can read the data.
Yeah, basically.
But the way they, they do all that stuff is apparently just
radically different from each other.
I, I would, the analogy I would use is, it's as different as CAD's approach to,
you know geography as a, as compared to Gi S's approach to geography.
Just very radically different ways of thinking about things.
Alright, so finally in the news, some space news.
The final satellite, I believe it's the final satellite in
the Sentinel One mission.
So Copernicus's Sentinel Series has launched successfully.
So launch was November 4th.
And right now of course, it's going undergoing the usual diagnostics.
So that's Sentinel 1D which we'll be pairing with Sentinel one C, which I
believe launched in December of 2024.
Sentinel one A is still capturing imagery, I believe, or capturing data.
Sentinel one B. Actually had to end the mission after a
sensor failure, I think in 2022.
So I'm curious because Sentinel one, C and D are supposed to be twins.
So I'm not sure how a is gonna play into it if it's still capturing
data, which I believe it is.
But these are all sar satellites.
So their sensors are synthetic ature radar and they've given us great data.
I think the Sentinel one A went up as early as what, 2014?
And so.
One of the things that they're very good at is this high resolution.
Elevation data because it can see through clouds and it's not affected by weather.
Sentinel one Ds also got an automatic identification system because one
of the things that Sentinels also allowed you to do is track ships
or at least get ship positions.
And so the a a IS, the Automatic Identification System
is an improvement on that.
So when it's done with its diagnostic period, it will be hopefully fully
operational and continue to give us some really, really good data as
part of a very successful mission.
And twice as, and dated twice as quickly since you have them on Counterpoint, yes.
Trajectories.
And that is it for the news
in the web corner.
Talking about geography awareness week and GIS day Within that has been
the 30 day map challenge, and this is a challenge where cartographers and
geographers around the world can map to 30 different mapping themes each day.
And there's some really great creativity going on out there if
you wanna visit the repository.
One of my favorites was out of New Zealand and it looked at murals.
It was using points of color.
So if you were someone who was looking to, you know, take a photo
of yourself in front of a mural and you wanted a certain color scheme,
now you can go and you can find it.
So I thought, you know, that's just one of those cool ideas that you can.
Put out there on the 30 Day Map challenge to, to show off your own creativity.
It is
Geography Awareness Week.
Welcome.
It is going the 16th through the 22nd.
That seems right.
We'll go with it of 2025 and this year, a, a g 'cause of course, a few years
ago national Geographic stepped away from having themes A couple years later,
geo a a g, the Association of American Geographers started to have themes.
This year's theme from the a a G is making spaces of possibility
or making spaces of possibility.
How are you planning on.
Celebrating this Geography Awareness Week,
we decided to join Making Spaces a Possibility with
International Education Week.
And I think that this is gonna be a great collaboration and it's one that
I encourage other people to think about is combining your weeks together.
Because the theme making space is a possibility.
Also goes along with the idea of internationalization of education.
'cause you can't really separate out geography from
international Education Week.
I should also point out that International Education Week is also this week,
it's the 17th through the 21st.
In case people didn't put that together, but.
And, and I wanna give a, a shout out to teach OSM 'cause I'm on the working group.
I encourage anyone out there that's interested in OpenStreetMap and
using that for next year's Geography Awareness week to get involved
and think about doing OSM Mapoon.
We, we've talked to OSM.
Many years ago, many, many years ago.
And you know, they're always looking to push their, their data
and their products further and getting them more open to people.
The this challenge there is always, you know, those hidden spaces that,
that oftentimes don't get mapped particularly certain points of view
or, or, or minority populations.
Mapping their geography can be really powerful.
And I think it's a great way to think about geography Awareness Week to
be aware of those spaces that are just, you know not widely known.
So Osms a great organization for people to get involved in and do map outs
as part of Geography Awareness Week.
I know that.
What's going on this week?
You probably got locked in, but you know, if you're, it's never too early to start
thinking about other things you could do.
And that's a organization I highly recommend people connect
with to try to see what they can do in their, in their areas.
And I think yeah, even if you don't have, say, specific events
just highlighting all of the.
The concepts in geography, right, that are about even if you take the theme
right, making space is a possibility.
And, and on the a g site, they've got some resources.
And you can also, I, well, it's too late for this year, but you can also
get lots of resources on that and the companion GIS day, which happens on the
Wednesday of Geo Geography Awareness Week.
But just, you know, given those examples, when you get a chance of how, you know
geographers look at the world and see.
Sort of what are, are the patterns, right?
One of the things that I always start off my students with, even in GIS that
come from different places, right, is the idea that recognizing patterns
helps us understand the world around us.
And when we see the patterns and then understand the processes that create them,
right, that gives us the possibility then to say, Hmm, maybe if we see a pattern
that, you know, we would like to improve upon, maybe it's something that, you know.
We don't think is, is the best, then here's a way to
then suggest a solution, right?
That, to, to solve a problem.
So if we notice inequality, if we notice all kinds of things, right, we could see
those patterns and then when maybe we can, can work on the possibility, right?
To tie it to the, to theme.
And so I think that's one of the things just, you know, highlighting
again how geographers look at the world and how that helps us.
Really get a sense of the local and, and broader patterns, right?
Which we've talked about for all of our years on the podcast.
If you wanted to do some really quick activities, if you're going, oh, it's
Geography Awareness Week this week you can also look for some of the movies that
relate to geography that you can show and just do a, a movie watching event.
Yeah, there's a a film series that a gentleman that was strongly involved
in the GIS community within West Virginia named gene Del Greco,
who did, he clipped out bits of geospatial things within TV and
movies, and he's got version three now.
So it's like three versions of this.
I think it's a total combined hours of.
Six or seven hours worth of material.
So it appears a lot, there's a lot there that you can tap into if you
wanted to do that sort of thing.
Looking at, at media and you know, how geography is used in there,
particularly the annoying things which you know, I, and to lesser extent
Jesse have complained about over the years with the TV show numbers
situations where people don't realize what they're doing as geospatial work.
They're calling it something else.
But.
You know, there's lots that you can tap into and they're a great way
to introduce people into geographic concepts, at least I think so.
And so, coming back around to the topic of making spaces a possibility, what
are your thoughts on, on this idea?
On the a EG side, it says, possibility is a footstep, a hand outstretched,
a horizon, glimpsed, a purpose spoken possibility is grasping the past
and present of a place and acting to move it into a positive future.
My gut reaction was, it's almost sounds like baby steps which I get, you know.
But maybe I'm reading it in too limiting to, to their definition, but it feels
like they're saying, okay, find, find something that you can actually influence,
you know, the, you know, act local sort of piece of, of the common phrase.
That's what it kind of felt like to me, which is not a terrible idea
because the sum of thousands of baby steps is quite a large leap.
So.
I like that they're encouraging us all to kinda look around locally in, in
my interpretation and make a positive impact on some in the spaces that
we inhabit on a day-to-day basis.
I've been working on a Wiki entry for Geography Awareness Week and
have sort of been getting a, a crash course in the, the history of it.
And I believe that possibilities is one of the running themes they've had since it
started in 19 87, 19 88 by proclamation.
This is, I think, the.
Third time, not space is a possibility, but there's been
something with possibility.
So I think there's always been this look towards the future and optimism
and the fact that, you know, geographers can create change in the world.
Well, I think right?
Awareness.
Awareness not so much is possibility, but opens up possibility, right?
So when you are making those spaces a possibility it's that recognition.
Of whatever, whatever the thing is, as you say, Frank, that maybe it's
something local, but first that recognition that something's going on.
And then from that, you know, what can we do?
Right?
Whether it's even, you know, something local like you, you notice that there's
an area that you'd like to see some green space and maybe, you know, maybe that's
something that you do like, well, let me, let me see if there's an effort I can do
to get this green space protected, or.
You know, there might be something infrastructure wise like, can I,
can I get involved or see, right?
I, I can see on these maps that you know, we don't have the road system
that we need to handle all our new population or something like that.
And, and so first recognizing that through an understanding of the,
the geography, right, can open up the possibility that you can have a.
You could have a, a voice or something in that potential, that potential, right?
That possibility of making a change.
And going back to what Jesse said, I think the theme has always been set
around the idea of what are the current challenges that are going on in the world.
So one of the earlier themes was about protecting the National Park Service
and national Park land preservation.
So, you know, it feels like these themes reflect maybe not what's going
on right now, but generally what's going on around the world within
the, the past year or two or since the last Geography awareness week?
I think you know, if we look at this idea of a hand outstretched it is
of course that awareness, making sure that we get the word out.
But also, you know, utilizing our, our knowledge too.
Put our, our feet in on the ground, I guess.
Well, I think too, right?
Part of this theme maybe is also that as geographers to bring our
voice more strongly, even if we can, even if it's only for small things
out into the, the broader world.
To help guide?
Yes.
Alright.
So
have local community organizations.
We have local businesses that need support, especially small businesses
that you could work with if you see places where they might not
necessarily have the knowledge about a particular thing that you do.
You know.
Giving them a, a little boost up by just letting them know about things.
Not necessarily doing it for them, but just letting them know that this might
be something they could take advantage of in terms of geospatial technologies or
just spatial knowledge of a certain type.
So certain, you know, if you have a, a local creamery.
And you want, you know, maybe them to use more local ingredients,
pointing them out to pointing out specific sources that you know of.
Yeah, because I think.
I think that, that maybe because we've been doing, we've been doing
it so long, or, you know, as a geographers or geospatial technologist,
whatever we're so immersed in it.
We assume people know that these things exist, right.
The tools to do this, the perspective.
But I, I, just, a couple weeks ago we visited an, an amazing local project where
they're working on a historic cemetery.
Two, it had been re-identified right to and students at, at our university are
participating in the local community.
But I had a great chat with the local historian who had been instrumental
in, in, you know, getting recognition and getting a partial kind of access
to the site, to the area Right.
To.
Get efforts to do cleanup and all that.
But when we were talking about things that, you know, they, they were unaware,
for example of that you could map these things until they had just seen the work
going on that all these other things can go on to help identify first, right.
And then hopefully protect things.
But, but it just.
Reiterated for me that, you know, there are so many things that,
that we can do to help people.
And if we aren't the voice to tell them that these exist, they don't know.
They still don't know.
And so I think it's, it's good not to make the assumption that people are aware.
And just, you know, continue to see where you might just say, Hey,
you know you could do this, right?
You could map this, or you could share this information.
As you say, the Kramer example is actually a really good one, right?
Is that while there are growing communities to work on these kinds of
things, there's still plenty of pap places where people just don't know yet.
Yeah.
It always sur, it does surprise me that how little people are
aware that they can answer.
Question very easily that they have, and they come up with really
convoluted ways to do things.
And that always, it always shocks me until I remember working around my house
trying to do things like landscaping or whatever, and then a landscaper
go, aren't you just use this tool?
And you're like, I didn't even know that tool existed.
I didn't know there was a thing that did that.
So, you know, it it, it happens to everyone at, at some point.
That you end up chasing up a a, a direction because it's the
only way you know how to work it.
That sometimes takes somebody who's an expert to come in and go, Hey,
you know, there's an easier way to do what you're trying to do, right?
And I can help you.
So you know, you can be that person for so many people.
Even if you're not a geospatial technology person, you can be aware of it.
You should be aware of it as a geographer, that something like that exists, that you
can help people get in touch with it or.
With people who can do it or places that, that are familiar with it, and it's not
gonna cost for those, for those who are unaware, it's not gonna cost you tens
of thousands of dollars necessarily.
There's lots of people that can do this technology and would like to
do it to improve their community to to help out for whatever reason.
And I also wanna say, because I have heard this a few times, that if you were, you
know, exposed to this even a few years ago, like 10 years ago, five years ago
in school or through a community event, and you felt like it was very complex and
complicated and clunky, that things have.
You know, been u more user friendly and they continue to, you know, become easier
and easier for the public to be a part of.
So don't be put off by an experience you might have had a long time ago.
When we're in a area that continues to, to grow and expand,
of course we strongly encourage you to head over to look at a lot of the
different resources that are out there.
Again, not as much on the National Geographic side
anymore as there used to be.
So there's general information that kind of, I think goes back a couple of years.
But of course there is a g information.
So if you go over to aag.org/geography awareness dash week dash 2025.
You'll find their information and you know, they work
with various organizations.
They also worked with Esri, of course, with GIS Day, national Council for
Geographic Education, so NCGE in terms of their sponsors for the week.
And there's a lot of, you know, resources on that page.
In addition to those organizations, there's also a link to a story map.
And link to become a geo advocate.
Now, I'll say that I've been a geo advocate for a few years now, and I
don't think anybody's ever reached out to me through that particular thing.
But you never know who might one day need access to your knowledge.
And so being on that geo advocate page just provides
a way for people to find you.
And actually, I just realized I probably didn't update it
after I. Switched universities.
So nobody in North Carolina has reached out to me, so I should probably update
my information for South Carolina.
There you go.
That's your, that's your administrative task for Geography Awareness Week.
Yeah.
Is to, is to update your geography.
Well, you know having been involved in this sorts of things for a while is an
excellent chance that nobody reached out to you even if you had updated.
And one of the things that I think that we do.
Poorly as a as a body of of people is, we're very good at saying, I'm
here and I'm willing to help, which is good, but if you ever had an intern,
I'm here and willing to help from an intern, tells you, I've just invented
a lot more work I'm gonna have to do on top of the work that I have to do.
Because directing people takes a lot of time and energy.
So what I think we could do a better job of, and I would challenge all
of our geographers and geospatial people is not, is not stop at I'm here
and I'm willing to help figure out where you can get involved actively.
And I'm as guilty as everybody of, of not doing this, but get
involved actively to help without, you know, needing somebody to.
Tell you exactly what to do.
It's hard.
I know we're all busy people, but I think it does play along in the theme of
this year's geography wearing this week.
And I think I would add onto that too is that sometimes, I mean, we've
given examples that might have to do, say with the mapping end of things
or something like that, but sometimes just your geographic perspective
can help people interpret things.
And, you know, if you're talking about, say trying to characterize
an area or a neighborhood, right?
For some kind of advocacy, advocacy purpose even, or, or just, you know,
maybe some informational stuff, just the geographic perspective
alone aside from any of the, the practical mapping you do can often
be an important part of that, right?
So say the ability to take a look at something and see it as a landscape.
As opposed to a collection of houses or something like that.
So even those types of things are valuable and, and you know, if, if you feel you
can, you can, you know, speak up and kind of help and just say, here, here's a, a
perspective maybe you haven't thought of.
And, and Sue, what you said made me think of another resource people could grab
right away, which is the many YouTube videos out now being made by Geographers.
But of course the really great geography series created by
Mr. Sin who does AP Geography.
You know, you could grab any one of his lessons and use that.
I really like his reading the landscape, his exercise and cultural
geography because he has, you guess what's going on in a, in a photo.
And it's always a lot of fun.
And so with that, enjoy your geography Awareness week.
Enjoy your GIS day.
Enjoy your middle of November, right before maybe a holiday for you if you're
in the United States, a little bit after a holiday, if you're in Canada and.
Probably not a holiday for you at all if you're in other parts of the world,
but enjoy the geography awareness
on the Defense Corner.
As always, we encourage you to check out events near you, not near you
anywhere, everywhere, all at once.
Geo Week 2026 is gonna be February 16th through the 18th in Denver.
And of course this is a culmination of a few different
events that are going on there.
Yeah.
So go and check that out.
And of course, we spoke at the beginning about the event in New York City,
geography 2050.
Correct.
Of course.
If you'd like us to add your event to the podcast, send us an
email to podcast@veryspatial.com.
If you'd like to reach us individually, I could be reached at sue@veryspatial.com.
I'm
barb@veryspatial.com.
You can reach me atFrank@veryspatial.com, and I'm
available at jesse@veryspatial.com.
And of course, you can find all of our contact information over
at very spatial.com/contacts.
As always.
We are the folks from very spatial.
Thanks for listening.
We'll see you in a couple weeks.
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