1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:03,240 >> Chris Dechter: AV Super Friends On Topic is an independent production wholly 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:06,200 owned and operated by AV Super Friends llc. For 3 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:08,440 the highest quality recording of all of our shows, visit 4 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:10,080 AVSuperFriends.com 5 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:16,119 this is AV Super Friends on topic, a 30 minute 6 00:00:16,119 --> 00:00:19,000 monthly roundtable focused on a single topic. This discussion 7 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:21,920 will be opinionated to the point and saturated with our well 8 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:24,760 known blend of painfully won expertise and deeply ingrained 9 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:25,440 immaturity. 10 00:00:32,860 --> 00:00:35,780 For July 2025, it's the best sounding podcast 11 00:00:35,780 --> 00:00:38,620 in higher ed. This is the AV Super Friends on topic, 12 00:00:38,620 --> 00:00:41,620 episode number 60. That's five years 13 00:00:41,620 --> 00:00:42,700 of this nonsense. 14 00:00:43,340 --> 00:00:44,300 >> Jamie Rinehart: That's crazy. 15 00:00:45,580 --> 00:00:48,420 >> Chris Dechter: Sorry about that everybody. We, we apologize for the 16 00:00:48,420 --> 00:00:49,580 five years of nonsense. 17 00:00:51,340 --> 00:00:54,220 >> Jamie Rinehart: That'S. That's out of this world. I was asked that question over 18 00:00:54,460 --> 00:00:55,260 during info. 19 00:00:55,260 --> 00:00:56,620 >> Chris Dechter: What? How long we've been doing this? 20 00:00:56,620 --> 00:00:59,500 >> Jamie Rinehart: They go, how many episodes do you guys have? I'm like, well, 21 00:00:59,500 --> 00:01:02,010 total, 200. What? 22 00:01:02,410 --> 00:01:05,160 How long you been doing this? Four or five. 23 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:08,640 And then just as it comes out of your mouth. Four or five years. 24 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:09,400 Holy crap. 25 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:09,960 >> Larry Darling: Crap. 26 00:01:09,960 --> 00:01:12,760 >> Chris Dechter: Yeah, it happens. Anyway, let's do another 27 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:15,400 one. Broadcasting live from sea to signing she 28 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:18,280 sea to sea to 29 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:21,080 shining sea for our Independence Day special, 30 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:24,360 we're coming to you. From the wide open skies of the mountain west 31 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:27,280 to the smoky heartland where the grills burn hotter than the 32 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:29,980 takes. From the rolling hills of Bourbon country to the red 33 00:01:29,980 --> 00:01:32,980 clay roots of the old North State, it's a coast 34 00:01:32,980 --> 00:01:35,780 to coast celebration of freedom, independence, 35 00:01:35,860 --> 00:01:38,820 signal flow and questionable audio routing. And 36 00:01:38,820 --> 00:01:41,380 while everyone else is waving their flags and forgetting to unmute, 37 00:01:42,340 --> 00:01:45,340 I'm, the goon who gets left running the stream, firing the effects, syncing the mics and keeping 38 00:01:45,340 --> 00:01:48,300 the show from declaring full on AV chaos. I'm your patriot with the 39 00:01:48,300 --> 00:01:50,900 presets. I'm Chris Dechter. It's time for another Friday 40 00:01:50,900 --> 00:01:53,790 afternoon podcast adventure. So fire up your 41 00:01:53,790 --> 00:01:56,630 sparklers, settle in your hammock, prepare for 42 00:01:56,710 --> 00:01:59,510 the worst Independence Day special you've ever 43 00:01:59,510 --> 00:02:02,350 heard. Star stripes and signal pass 44 00:02:02,350 --> 00:02:04,870 included in this. 45 00:02:08,230 --> 00:02:09,830 All right, well, let's say hello to today. 46 00:02:11,190 --> 00:02:12,950 Today's panel of AV Super Friends. 47 00:02:14,710 --> 00:02:17,430 I'm joined by the coordinator of constitutionally 48 00:02:17,430 --> 00:02:20,150 protected signal integrity from Kansas City, Mr. 49 00:02:20,150 --> 00:02:22,960 Jamie Reinhart. Whoops, I hit the wrong 50 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:23,760 button there. Sorry. 51 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:26,800 >> Jamie Rinehart: The best tin cans and a ball of string 52 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:27,600 can get you. 53 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:31,280 >> Chris Dechter: Also joined by the senior manager for Patriot 54 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:34,160 Enablement Solutions from Greensboro, North Carolina. Say hello to 55 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:35,120 Mr. Larry Darling. 56 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:37,760 >> Larry Darling: I'm a senior manager. That's kind of cool. This time 57 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:40,400 I'm getting into Justin's range. 58 00:02:40,640 --> 00:02:42,160 >> Chris Dechter: Not quite maybe. 59 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:46,160 And finally joined by our Vice President of Strategic 60 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:48,680 Fireworks, alignment from Bowling Green, Kentucky, Mr. Justin 61 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:49,280 Rexing, 62 00:02:52,630 --> 00:02:54,630 left. He's just muted there. Just leaving it on mute. 63 00:02:56,870 --> 00:02:58,470 The intro and he still mutes. 64 00:02:58,550 --> 00:03:01,510 >> Justin Rexing: I muted the intro for the first time in a while and I forgot to 65 00:03:01,510 --> 00:03:04,510 turn it back off. But, yeah, you don't want me doing that 66 00:03:04,510 --> 00:03:04,790 job. 67 00:03:05,189 --> 00:03:05,550 >> Larry Darling: No. 68 00:03:05,550 --> 00:03:08,390 >> Justin Rexing: I'm surprised I still have two eyes and 10 69 00:03:08,470 --> 00:03:11,190 fingers. There's been some close 70 00:03:11,190 --> 00:03:13,510 calls with fireworks in recent history. 71 00:03:13,750 --> 00:03:16,460 >> Chris Dechter: Get prepared for a few more because that's all we're doing today. So on 72 00:03:16,460 --> 00:03:19,340 today's show, we're going to celebrate America by blowing up a small 73 00:03:19,340 --> 00:03:22,300 part of it and things that we don't 74 00:03:22,300 --> 00:03:25,180 like anymore. So can we say that? I 75 00:03:25,180 --> 00:03:27,060 think I just did what? 76 00:03:27,060 --> 00:03:29,020 >> Justin Rexing: Can't we say blowing up what? 77 00:03:29,900 --> 00:03:31,820 Blowing up a small part of America. 78 00:03:32,380 --> 00:03:33,420 >> Jamie Rinehart: Just little bits. 79 00:03:33,580 --> 00:03:35,660 >> Larry Darling: Well, if anyone's worried, Chris said it, not us. 80 00:03:35,660 --> 00:03:38,020 >> Jamie Rinehart: So it's Wyoming. They'll allow you to do it? 81 00:03:38,020 --> 00:03:39,540 >> Justin Rexing: Yeah, well, it is Wyoming. 82 00:03:39,540 --> 00:03:41,660 >> Chris Dechter: It's America. What are you going to do? Not let you blow up stuff. 83 00:03:41,660 --> 00:03:43,520 >> Jamie Rinehart: America blow up. 84 00:03:43,700 --> 00:03:46,660 >> Chris Dechter: so basically this is our Independence Day special. The way we do this 85 00:03:46,660 --> 00:03:49,500 every year for Fourth of July is we all 86 00:03:49,500 --> 00:03:52,500 pick a couple of things or a thing that we don't 87 00:03:52,500 --> 00:03:55,260 like about commercial, higher 88 00:03:55,260 --> 00:03:58,180 education, AV and IT stuff, and we blow it up with lots 89 00:03:58,180 --> 00:04:00,940 of fireworks and explosions. So we've got 90 00:04:00,940 --> 00:04:03,940 lots of things ready to go. It'll be fun. And the fire department 91 00:04:04,020 --> 00:04:06,940 has been notified. But first, before we do any 92 00:04:06,940 --> 00:04:09,840 of that stuff, if you were listening to this As a recorded MP3 93 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:12,560 later, we do stream live on Fridays at about 3:30 Eastern, 94 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:15,440 12:30 Pacific, or whenever we get our act together and actually start going. 95 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:18,400 Today was a long discussion about braces. So yes, 96 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:21,120 yes, you can join us for that Live on Twitter, 97 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:24,040 LinkedIn, YouTube and Blue Stream whenever they get off their butts and actually 98 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:27,030 support streaming. if you can't join us live, we still want you to connect with 99 00:04:27,030 --> 00:04:30,020 us on those same social. So follow us on Twitter, LinkedIn, YouTube, Blue sky, 100 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:33,030 etc. Just search for ABC for friends. You will find us. We use the logo there and 101 00:04:33,030 --> 00:04:35,880 all that fun stuff. 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The rating bumps us up in 130 00:05:48,840 --> 00:05:51,760 the algos and forces more people to be exposed 131 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:52,520 to our nonsense. 132 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:53,800 >> Justin Rexing: Can we rate ourselves? 133 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:57,600 >> Chris Dechter: You can, but that's a kind of a gauche thing to do, 134 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:00,400 so at least come up with a username. Okay, 135 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:03,810 well you can. so anyway, 136 00:06:03,810 --> 00:06:05,930 thanks for your support. We couldn't do the show without you. 137 00:06:06,810 --> 00:06:09,690 Now we're take a quick break, going to come back, then we're going to 138 00:06:09,690 --> 00:06:12,650 blow up some stuff because. Where'd it 139 00:06:12,650 --> 00:06:15,530 go? Here it is. Here's another event we're doing in a few weeks. 140 00:06:18,250 --> 00:06:20,890 >> Speaker E: Get ready to plug in and rock out at 141 00:06:20,890 --> 00:06:23,850 Widget Fest. The ultimate celebration of 142 00:06:23,850 --> 00:06:26,730 audio visual innovation. For three 143 00:06:27,270 --> 00:06:30,190 electrifying days, the biggest names in 144 00:06:30,190 --> 00:06:33,190 commercial presentation electronics take the 145 00:06:33,190 --> 00:06:35,950 stage and showcase the latest and 146 00:06:35,950 --> 00:06:38,710 greatest in adapters and widgets. 147 00:06:38,950 --> 00:06:41,910 Widget Fest. Experience cutting 148 00:06:41,910 --> 00:06:44,750 edge tech, hands on demos and 149 00:06:44,750 --> 00:06:47,550 exclusive product launches all in 150 00:06:47,550 --> 00:06:49,910 one place. Connect with fellow 151 00:06:49,910 --> 00:06:52,790 enthusiasts, enjoy great food and 152 00:06:52,790 --> 00:06:55,030 be part of the future of AV 153 00:06:55,510 --> 00:06:57,830 technology. Widgets. 154 00:06:58,150 --> 00:07:00,850 Tickets are selling fast, so don't 155 00:07:00,850 --> 00:07:03,730 miss out. Widget Fest, the ultimate 156 00:07:03,730 --> 00:07:06,570 celebration of adapters and widgets. 157 00:07:06,570 --> 00:07:09,170 Coming soon to a venue near you. 158 00:07:09,570 --> 00:07:10,450 Widget Fest 159 00:07:13,730 --> 00:07:14,450 Wife. 160 00:07:20,530 --> 00:07:22,530 >> Jamie Rinehart: We just kind of want to go to that show. 161 00:07:22,610 --> 00:07:25,480 >> Justin Rexing: We just got back from Widget Fest. We just. I 162 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:27,240 literally left Widget Fest last week. 163 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:27,520 >> Chris Dechter: Infocom. 164 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:29,160 >> Larry Darling: this year was really Widget Fest. 165 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:29,680 >> Justin Rexing: Exactly. 166 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:31,680 >> Larry Darling: Some of the best stuff was little widgets 167 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:33,040 we found. 168 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:36,240 >> Chris Dechter: Everyone went to big booths looking for a big thing. It wasn't there. 169 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:39,440 It was the Little booths in the middle that had interesting little 170 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:42,520 widgets, adapters, middleware, you know, whatever 171 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:42,760 you want. 172 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:45,440 >> Justin Rexing: You would know that if you were on our tour would. 173 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:49,280 >> Chris Dechter: Or if you didn't go to pay to play stuff. Anyway, so here's 174 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:51,860 how the show works. for our fourth of July special, we've all got 175 00:07:52,010 --> 00:07:55,000 gathered a list of things that we would like to celebrate America 176 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:58,000 by blowing up. Because we're going to set off a whole bunch of fireworks and explosions and 177 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:00,880 all sorts of fun things like with, with that. So we've gathered up 178 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:03,520 our, our AV and it related 179 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:06,440 things and we're going to wrap that in explosives 180 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:07,920 and blow that up. 181 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:10,120 That pretty much it. 182 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:11,840 >> Jamie Rinehart: I think that, I think that covers it. 183 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:12,240 >> Justin Rexing: Yeah. 184 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:12,600 >> Chris Dechter: Okay. 185 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:14,320 >> Larry Darling: Yeah, that's our usual thing. Yep. 186 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:15,880 >> Chris Dechter: So, Justin, you want to start? 187 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:16,680 >> Justin Rexing: Yes. 188 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:17,720 >> Jamie Rinehart: What are we blowing up? 189 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:20,120 >> Chris Dechter: So Justin, a lot of this is. 190 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:22,720 >> Justin Rexing: Going to be repetitive. I tried to be unique, but I just. 191 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:25,680 >> Chris Dechter: Hold on a second here. So we've got a stack of 192 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:28,440 200 bottle rockets. We jammed those into a five gallon 193 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:31,440 bucket, we zip tied it to the wagon. We're calling this project Liberty 194 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:33,640 Launchpad. Go for it. 195 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:37,160 >> Justin Rexing: So I guess my number one, not a 196 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:39,800 big surprise is if you are a 197 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:42,660 consultant and you draw 198 00:08:42,660 --> 00:08:45,620 lines from Dante to AVB and 199 00:08:45,700 --> 00:08:48,380 put in DMPS systems 200 00:08:48,380 --> 00:08:50,980 everywhere and wireless 201 00:08:50,980 --> 00:08:53,860 presentation in every classroom. You 202 00:08:53,860 --> 00:08:55,140 get shot to the moon. 203 00:08:56,579 --> 00:08:59,460 >> Chris Dechter: Shot to the moon with a big firework. Oh, I 204 00:08:59,460 --> 00:08:59,660 see. 205 00:08:59,660 --> 00:09:01,380 >> Justin Rexing: Like Elon type firework. 206 00:09:02,020 --> 00:09:04,740 >> Larry Darling: I just took my last DMPS system 207 00:09:04,900 --> 00:09:06,020 off campus today. 208 00:09:06,020 --> 00:09:08,900 >> Justin Rexing: I still have NPS one hundreds, but that's a really, that's more of a me 209 00:09:08,900 --> 00:09:09,220 problem. 210 00:09:10,220 --> 00:09:13,140 >> Jamie Rinehart: I, I have a few left. In fact, I have a few 211 00:09:13,140 --> 00:09:16,020 DMPs left from when Chris was 212 00:09:16,020 --> 00:09:16,860 servicing them. 213 00:09:17,260 --> 00:09:19,530 >> Chris Dechter: No, they, they were courses. 214 00:09:19,530 --> 00:09:22,450 >> Larry Darling: Yeah, they were great. Like back in the day. They 215 00:09:22,450 --> 00:09:23,370 also loved them. 216 00:09:23,450 --> 00:09:26,330 >> Justin Rexing: Cost way too much now to do 217 00:09:27,210 --> 00:09:29,810 way too much than what you need. And ah, then I have 218 00:09:29,810 --> 00:09:31,050 AI cameras on there. 219 00:09:31,050 --> 00:09:33,130 >> Chris Dechter: Hey, hey, hey, hey. Can't you see? 220 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:34,440 >> Jamie Rinehart: What? 221 00:09:35,010 --> 00:09:37,850 >> Chris Dechter: No, you're just. We're taking turns here, 222 00:09:37,850 --> 00:09:38,250 sir. 223 00:09:38,250 --> 00:09:41,170 >> Justin Rexing: Oh, I have three on my list. I thought I'd go all three and then move 224 00:09:41,170 --> 00:09:42,050 on to someone else. 225 00:09:43,490 --> 00:09:46,450 >> Chris Dechter: That's not how this works. Okay, we're just gonna keep round robining until we 226 00:09:46,450 --> 00:09:47,170 blow everything up. 227 00:09:47,250 --> 00:09:48,370 >> Justin Rexing: All right. All right, who's next? 228 00:09:48,370 --> 00:09:51,000 >> Chris Dechter: Sorry, rattle stuff off here. all right, 229 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:53,970 Larry, why don't you get ready here. we got that propane tank off 230 00:09:53,970 --> 00:09:56,690 the grill. I've wrapped it in sparklers. I placed it inside a 231 00:09:56,690 --> 00:09:58,890 wheelbarrow full of expired Roman candles. 232 00:09:59,630 --> 00:10:01,230 This is science meets freedom. 233 00:10:01,620 --> 00:10:04,520 >> Larry Darling: okay, I'm going to get this one out 234 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:07,280 of the way first because I'm sure other people have it and I just want to 235 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:10,160 steal your all's thunder. After coming back 236 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:12,960 from Infocom, I saw a lot 237 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:15,600 of solutions that made very 238 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:17,360 basic classrooms more 239 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:20,240 complicated. Like if you bought into this 240 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:23,240 ecosystem, you had to be cloud based or you 241 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:26,240 had to have it on the enterprise network. Like just for 242 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:28,800 a tier one or zero 243 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:31,520 classroom that I used to be able to do really simply, really 244 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:34,120 cheap. All of a sudden there's extra 245 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:36,800 hurdles I have to jump through and 246 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:38,960 I'm kind of tired of everything, 247 00:10:40,530 --> 00:10:43,440 ah, all the basic systems out there requiring me 248 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:46,960 to get cloud access and to get everything 249 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:50,120 on the enterprise networks. Sometimes I don't need 250 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:52,990 to do that. And I tired of having my 251 00:10:52,990 --> 00:10:55,790 options limited by the 252 00:10:55,950 --> 00:10:57,550 solutions. Assuming 253 00:10:58,670 --> 00:11:01,630 everything is going to be the top tier 254 00:11:01,630 --> 00:11:03,950 rooms that might require that. 255 00:11:06,110 --> 00:11:08,190 >> Chris Dechter: I'm not sure what you're blowing up here. What are you blowing up? 256 00:11:08,670 --> 00:11:09,950 >> Larry Darling: I'm blowing up those 257 00:11:11,710 --> 00:11:14,470 devices that are cloud based 258 00:11:14,470 --> 00:11:17,350 for control or the AV 259 00:11:17,350 --> 00:11:19,710 over IP systems that have to have a 260 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:24,080 director or a navigator or something out there. 261 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:24,960 >> Chris Dechter: I gotcha. 262 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:28,080 >> Larry Darling: Yeah. Like we have simplified 263 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:30,960 our very standard, very basic 264 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:33,000 classrooms up to small 265 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:35,920 auditoriums to be very cheap and 266 00:11:37,680 --> 00:11:40,200 like, there's not a lot of extra 267 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:43,200 frills and all of a sudden ecosystems 268 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:46,120 are pushing us in this direction. So that's what I'm blowing 269 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:46,400 up. 270 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:50,150 >> Chris Dechter: So the extra stuff you need to, do what you used to be able 271 00:11:50,150 --> 00:11:51,350 to do three years ago without a problem. 272 00:11:51,590 --> 00:11:54,590 >> Larry Darling: Exactly. Anything that's forcing me to go cloud based on 273 00:11:54,590 --> 00:11:57,350 a standard system is being blown up. 274 00:11:57,350 --> 00:11:59,830 >> Chris Dechter: All right, well, let me light this candle over here. 275 00:12:03,430 --> 00:12:03,990 >> Jamie Rinehart: Whoa. 276 00:12:09,030 --> 00:12:10,070 >> Chris Dechter: That was a pretty good one. 277 00:12:12,340 --> 00:12:15,300 all right, Jamie, we just spent four hours wiring up a car 278 00:12:15,300 --> 00:12:18,180 battery to a pile of old mortars and in an abandoned mailbox. 279 00:12:18,660 --> 00:12:19,620 So this better be good. 280 00:12:20,260 --> 00:12:23,180 >> Jamie Rinehart: It's not. Larry 281 00:12:23,180 --> 00:12:24,500 stole some of my thunder. 282 00:12:25,860 --> 00:12:28,340 This past year I've had two different 283 00:12:28,500 --> 00:12:30,500 companies, two different 284 00:12:30,500 --> 00:12:33,190 manufacturers send me, a test 285 00:12:33,190 --> 00:12:35,870 unit, a demo unit of 286 00:12:36,030 --> 00:12:38,830 a product. It was a keypad 287 00:12:38,990 --> 00:12:41,870 for one of them. It required, 288 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:46,680 without a doubt, required cloud access 289 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:50,200 for a button panel to use the button 290 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:50,680 panel. 291 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:55,400 >> Chris Dechter: And was the cloud access the only way it interfaced with 292 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:58,040 other devices or was just like you had to log in before you even, just set it. 293 00:12:58,040 --> 00:12:59,960 >> Jamie Rinehart: Up to even turn it on. 294 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:04,640 And they assured to me, they're like, oh, no, you 295 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:06,680 can put it into local only mode 296 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:10,760 as long as you can access the cloud. And they went so far as 297 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:13,700 To. So, like, okay, so if 298 00:13:13,700 --> 00:13:16,580 it can't access the cloud, how do you use it? Well, you can plug 299 00:13:16,580 --> 00:13:19,380 it into your laptop and then use 300 00:13:19,380 --> 00:13:22,060 your laptop as a bridge 301 00:13:23,980 --> 00:13:26,660 so that it can get cloud access through the 302 00:13:26,660 --> 00:13:29,420 bridging of your laptop to it. 303 00:13:29,980 --> 00:13:32,940 >> Justin Rexing: Sounds complicated. And you're not solving 304 00:13:32,940 --> 00:13:33,820 any problems. 305 00:13:34,300 --> 00:13:37,220 >> Jamie Rinehart: No, yes. 306 00:13:37,220 --> 00:13:39,900 It's kind of what Larry said. But I find that 307 00:13:41,510 --> 00:13:44,470 there are several companies out there right now that are 308 00:13:44,470 --> 00:13:47,390 just like, they're so in on the cloud game 309 00:13:47,390 --> 00:13:50,150 that to require it to even turn the 310 00:13:50,150 --> 00:13:51,350 device on. 311 00:13:53,270 --> 00:13:56,070 I'm done with it. Like, we need to be able to use these things 312 00:13:56,230 --> 00:13:59,200 prior to cloud. I'm okay 313 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:02,120 with some cloud things, but, man, the requirement to even 314 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:04,920 turn it on. Give me a break. I'm not buying it anymore. 315 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:07,880 >> Chris Dechter: There's environments where you're not even gonna. There's gonna be no option for any sort of 316 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:08,760 access like that. So. 317 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:11,470 >> Jamie Rinehart: Yeah, and the answer from them, when you start put 318 00:14:11,540 --> 00:14:14,100 pushing back a little bit, it's like, well, just use your cell signal. 319 00:14:14,420 --> 00:14:14,780 >> Chris Dechter: Just. 320 00:14:14,780 --> 00:14:17,540 >> Jamie Rinehart: Just use your cell phone 321 00:14:18,020 --> 00:14:20,940 and use your data plan off your 322 00:14:20,940 --> 00:14:22,060 cell signal in order to. 323 00:14:22,060 --> 00:14:23,340 >> Justin Rexing: Can you imagine telling one of your. 324 00:14:23,340 --> 00:14:25,460 >> Jamie Rinehart: Texts that, no, 325 00:14:26,260 --> 00:14:28,980 no, this is not. This is not acceptable? 326 00:14:32,930 --> 00:14:35,930 >> Justin Rexing: I don't know why people are making this stuff. Like, what triggers 327 00:14:35,930 --> 00:14:38,770 them. Because they're talking to people and people are saying, we need 328 00:14:38,770 --> 00:14:41,330 more cloud stuff, and they just go make a bunch of cloud. 329 00:14:41,650 --> 00:14:44,470 >> Chris Dechter: I think there's a desire to be able to 330 00:14:44,470 --> 00:14:45,230 monitor everything. 331 00:14:45,470 --> 00:14:46,670 >> Justin Rexing: That's different than. 332 00:14:46,670 --> 00:14:49,590 >> Chris Dechter: Well, no, no, no, but there's. But the easiest way to do that 333 00:14:49,590 --> 00:14:51,790 is to say we're going to stand up a portal and you connect to it. 334 00:14:53,230 --> 00:14:55,830 >> Justin Rexing: So, yeah, we want to monitor it 335 00:14:55,830 --> 00:14:57,750 ourselves with our own system, and then. 336 00:14:57,750 --> 00:14:58,710 >> Chris Dechter: They can monetize that. 337 00:14:58,710 --> 00:15:01,070 >> Justin Rexing: So, yeah, yeah, well, that's how to happen. 338 00:15:01,390 --> 00:15:03,390 >> Jamie Rinehart: I feel like you should be able. 339 00:15:04,670 --> 00:15:07,670 Especially with a keypad, you should be 340 00:15:07,670 --> 00:15:10,270 able to stand it up without it 341 00:15:10,270 --> 00:15:12,470 accessing an online portal. 342 00:15:13,590 --> 00:15:16,560 That's just me. now, 343 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:19,440 once I get it activated and all. Happy, fine. 344 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:22,640 If I want a portal, let's get a portal. But to require 345 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:25,040 the portal. Portal to even start, 346 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:27,600 then it's a waste of my money. 347 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:30,480 >> Justin Rexing: It should operate in both modes, local and. 348 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:34,120 >> Jamie Rinehart: Well, yeah, it does, Justin. Don't worry about it. But to put it in a 349 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:36,240 local only, you got to get on the portal. 350 00:15:37,050 --> 00:15:40,050 >> Justin Rexing: That's not. It's not really the 351 00:15:40,050 --> 00:15:40,570 same thing. 352 00:15:40,650 --> 00:15:43,570 >> Chris Dechter: All right, well, let's roll that out there and blow this stuff up 353 00:15:43,570 --> 00:15:43,850 here. 354 00:15:48,410 --> 00:15:50,810 >> Justin Rexing: That was kind of. It started off small, but, 355 00:15:51,050 --> 00:15:51,450 well. 356 00:15:53,770 --> 00:15:55,530 >> Jamie Rinehart: Similar. So. So we Blew them up. 357 00:15:55,530 --> 00:15:56,010 >> Larry Darling: Yeah. 358 00:15:57,610 --> 00:16:00,460 >> Chris Dechter: Holy smokes. I, realized this entire track has been muted the whole time. 359 00:16:00,460 --> 00:16:00,940 Hold on. 360 00:16:01,990 --> 00:16:02,550 >> Justin Rexing: Oh, we have. 361 00:16:03,030 --> 00:16:03,950 >> Chris Dechter: I can start it over. 362 00:16:03,950 --> 00:16:04,470 >> Justin Rexing: We have. 363 00:16:06,550 --> 00:16:07,270 >> Jamie Rinehart: There we go. 364 00:16:07,670 --> 00:16:10,630 >> Chris Dechter: I was supposed to be running the whole time, but it was muted. My bad. 365 00:16:10,950 --> 00:16:13,710 >> Jamie Rinehart: All right, so Chris, let me dial that. Give us something more than 366 00:16:13,710 --> 00:16:14,270 cloud based. 367 00:16:14,270 --> 00:16:16,390 >> Justin Rexing: Back it down a little bit there. There you go. 368 00:16:16,390 --> 00:16:19,390 >> Chris Dechter: Something more than cloud based. All right, so I went 369 00:16:19,390 --> 00:16:22,110 out, I disassembled three commercial grade fireworks. I 370 00:16:22,110 --> 00:16:25,030 extracted the best stuff, I repackaged them into a kiddie 371 00:16:25,030 --> 00:16:27,590 pool line with aluminum foil and Manifest 372 00:16:27,590 --> 00:16:30,570 Destiny. And into that pool, I'm going 373 00:16:30,570 --> 00:16:33,490 to put in software license 374 00:16:33,490 --> 00:16:36,410 fees and I'm going to fill the pool 375 00:16:36,410 --> 00:16:39,330 with software license fees, especially things tied to 376 00:16:39,330 --> 00:16:42,090 hardware. Because why 377 00:16:42,090 --> 00:16:45,050 do I need this? Why should there be recurring 378 00:16:45,050 --> 00:16:47,890 fees of any sort? I'm buying this device, 379 00:16:47,890 --> 00:16:50,690 I'm buying this stuff. And especially in higher ed, 380 00:16:51,090 --> 00:16:53,930 we might get that budget for that project once every 381 00:16:53,930 --> 00:16:56,370 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 15 years. 382 00:16:57,310 --> 00:17:00,310 So this is not a tenable thing. And this 383 00:17:00,310 --> 00:17:02,430 is a big turn off to a lot of people. 384 00:17:03,630 --> 00:17:06,470 Many, many manufacturers are doing it. Some have 385 00:17:06,470 --> 00:17:09,150 dialed it back slightly, but only because of 386 00:17:09,150 --> 00:17:11,950 huge market pushback, but they're continuing with other stuff. 387 00:17:12,030 --> 00:17:15,030 So this is nonsense to everyone listening 388 00:17:15,030 --> 00:17:17,870 right now. Please knock it off. Or if you have 389 00:17:17,870 --> 00:17:20,750 to have a license for whatever 390 00:17:20,750 --> 00:17:23,650 weird accounting reason you want to do it, it needs to be a 391 00:17:23,650 --> 00:17:26,570 perpetual license. And by perpetual, I don't mean five years, 392 00:17:26,570 --> 00:17:29,530 I don't mean seven years, I mean forever 393 00:17:29,930 --> 00:17:32,890 in the sense of the sandlot. And 394 00:17:32,890 --> 00:17:35,770 it should be tied to the hardware itself and just run until 395 00:17:35,770 --> 00:17:38,570 the hardware explodes and dies. So please 396 00:17:38,730 --> 00:17:41,700 stop with these. Like, ah, it's a three year thing to do that. No, 397 00:17:41,700 --> 00:17:44,620 not gonna happen. Because in higher ed, if I take something 398 00:17:44,620 --> 00:17:47,540 out of a room, chances are that doesn't leave my campus, that 399 00:17:47,540 --> 00:17:50,500 gets repurposed somewhere else. So I need that thing to 400 00:17:50,500 --> 00:17:53,500 keep operating, not go do magical other stuff by 401 00:17:53,500 --> 00:17:54,980 buying more licenses. So, 402 00:17:56,580 --> 00:17:59,130 all right, blow this stuff here. this one 403 00:18:05,850 --> 00:18:06,410 pretty good. 404 00:18:08,570 --> 00:18:11,480 Alrighty. okay, Justin, now back around to you. What do you got 405 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:12,480 for, for round two? 406 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:15,520 >> Justin Rexing: Well, I'm gonna skip AI cameras because I slid that in. 407 00:18:16,460 --> 00:18:17,820 >> Chris Dechter: What's wrong with cameras? 408 00:18:18,140 --> 00:18:20,300 >> Justin Rexing: They're just, they're not AI. It's just like stop. 409 00:18:20,780 --> 00:18:22,890 Okay, anyways, how about 410 00:18:23,530 --> 00:18:26,010 large oversized DSPs with like 411 00:18:26,010 --> 00:18:28,490 75 inputs and 52 412 00:18:28,490 --> 00:18:30,010 outputs of analog? 413 00:18:30,010 --> 00:18:31,130 >> Chris Dechter: You're gonna blow those up. 414 00:18:32,330 --> 00:18:35,330 >> Justin Rexing: It just like we need to be not doing 415 00:18:35,330 --> 00:18:38,290 those much more. Like, 416 00:18:38,290 --> 00:18:40,890 who has a need for 12 417 00:18:40,890 --> 00:18:42,880 analog inputs besides 418 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:44,520 I don't know. 419 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:47,480 >> Jamie Rinehart: Performance theater, like, going 420 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:47,840 forward. 421 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:48,880 >> Chris Dechter: Yeah, yeah. 422 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:51,720 >> Justin Rexing: Like, because even if you have five, 423 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:54,570 six, like Dante's there as, 67's 424 00:18:54,570 --> 00:18:57,490 there, there's a lot of widgets and gas modes to combine that down 425 00:18:57,490 --> 00:19:00,410 to a single cat 6. It's like, why do 426 00:19:00,410 --> 00:19:02,530 you. I can understand 427 00:19:03,330 --> 00:19:06,010 modular DSPs that, you know, let's add a 428 00:19:06,010 --> 00:19:08,700 couple analog inputs, but. Because that makes a lot of sense, 429 00:19:09,420 --> 00:19:12,140 but not 12 or 430 00:19:12,140 --> 00:19:15,020 18 or 24. I 431 00:19:15,020 --> 00:19:18,020 don't need eight outputs. I don't know the last time I 432 00:19:18,020 --> 00:19:19,250 used an, analog output. 433 00:19:22,610 --> 00:19:24,210 They're all DANTE enabled. 434 00:19:24,450 --> 00:19:27,370 >> Chris Dechter: Just so, something you said for little analog amps, 435 00:19:27,370 --> 00:19:30,290 something you said for them. As far 436 00:19:30,290 --> 00:19:33,210 as the amount of IO, I think those devices have 437 00:19:33,210 --> 00:19:35,870 their places. I think companies who make big 438 00:19:36,030 --> 00:19:38,430 DSP boxes put too much stock into 439 00:19:38,750 --> 00:19:41,430 how important those are and are listening to the 440 00:19:41,430 --> 00:19:43,630 wrong people who keep saying they need 441 00:19:44,590 --> 00:19:47,550 15, 20, 25, whatever, card slots, all that stuff. Yes, 442 00:19:47,550 --> 00:19:50,470 we all have specialized cases where that is needed. But 443 00:19:50,470 --> 00:19:53,350 if this is part of your standard, I'm just, you know, that's my 444 00:19:53,350 --> 00:19:56,270 only option. Well, Larry, to your earlier comment about, like, 445 00:19:56,270 --> 00:19:59,110 I'm starting with the giant box and then I'm putting a ds, 446 00:19:59,110 --> 00:20:02,000 it's like, stop. Rethink what you're doing. Make it 447 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:04,840 simple. Yeah, 448 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:05,800 all right. 449 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:07,320 >> Justin Rexing: Let's just blow it up. 450 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:07,960 >> Chris Dechter: All right. 451 00:20:08,120 --> 00:20:09,400 >> Justin Rexing: We may regret it, but 452 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:15,399 I can solve the problem with smaller 453 00:20:15,399 --> 00:20:17,080 DSPs and widgets just fine. 454 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:17,880 >> Chris Dechter: And. And the network. 455 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:21,720 >> Justin Rexing: And network stuff. Yeah, that'd be 456 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:24,400 fine. I'm even 457 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:26,840 taking. I'm converting 458 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:29,520 audio output at the projector into 459 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:32,520 Dante now, instead 460 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:33,040 of just running. 461 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:35,160 >> Chris Dechter: It analog, you're missing a step there. 462 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:38,720 >> Justin Rexing: Audio out of the projector which comes 463 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:39,000 out. 464 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:41,050 >> Chris Dechter: Which comes out analog, though, huh? 465 00:20:41,050 --> 00:20:41,730 >> Justin Rexing: Uh-huh. 466 00:20:41,730 --> 00:20:43,720 >> Chris Dechter: And then what's the magical device? 467 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:47,240 >> Justin Rexing: What, for summing or for Dante? 468 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:50,480 >> Chris Dechter: You're saying you're going from projector to Dante, and there's a step in there that 469 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:52,280 has to happen. So I'm curious, what are you using? 470 00:20:52,830 --> 00:20:55,580 >> Justin Rexing: Well, actually, experimenting. so we've been using rdl. 471 00:20:55,580 --> 00:20:58,420 RDL is really noisy. And then we're moving. 472 00:20:58,420 --> 00:21:01,120 We're going to try Turtle and a, few other 473 00:21:01,120 --> 00:21:04,030 widgets. so if you're using rdl, Dante stuff, 474 00:21:04,830 --> 00:21:07,710 especially on mic level, be very careful. It adds a 475 00:21:07,710 --> 00:21:08,350 bunch of noise. 476 00:21:09,790 --> 00:21:10,510 >> Larry Darling: Interesting. 477 00:21:10,590 --> 00:21:11,310 >> Justin Rexing: Yeah, I know. 478 00:21:11,310 --> 00:21:13,630 >> Chris Dechter: We found a mic level out of a 479 00:21:13,790 --> 00:21:14,590 projector. 480 00:21:14,990 --> 00:21:17,630 >> Justin Rexing: No, well, not in that case, but in other cases, 481 00:21:18,250 --> 00:21:21,170 like line level, it's not as well if you turn 482 00:21:21,170 --> 00:21:21,450 the. 483 00:21:21,450 --> 00:21:23,290 >> Jamie Rinehart: Projector all the way down to, like, one. 484 00:21:23,530 --> 00:21:26,410 >> Justin Rexing: Not, not in that case, like, if I, if I stick my, 485 00:21:26,730 --> 00:21:29,610 if I stick my two mics somewhere and I'm like, all, right. I don't 486 00:21:29,610 --> 00:21:32,450 really. Let's just buy a widget to convert 487 00:21:32,450 --> 00:21:34,770 both channels. If you buy an RDL one. 488 00:21:35,650 --> 00:21:36,450 Be careful. 489 00:21:37,090 --> 00:21:39,650 >> Jamie Rinehart: I'm just trying to work out 490 00:21:41,170 --> 00:21:43,480 why you're using the projector for D embedding. 491 00:21:44,030 --> 00:21:46,870 >> Justin Rexing: Because I don't have anything else there. Yeah. Do it all the time. No 492 00:21:46,870 --> 00:21:47,310 dsp. 493 00:21:47,550 --> 00:21:50,230 >> Larry Darling: Why not just stick a little amp up there at the 494 00:21:50,230 --> 00:21:51,350 projector and I. 495 00:21:51,350 --> 00:21:52,270 >> Chris Dechter: Do it all the time. 496 00:21:52,270 --> 00:21:55,080 >> Justin Rexing: Well, because now you're, now you're getting into like the 497 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:58,000 mount. And how does that amp fit on there? 498 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:00,640 I need a bigger amp. So now I don't have the space 499 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:02,560 and I can't put it above ceiling. 500 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:03,440 >> Chris Dechter: Ceiling box. 501 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:06,040 >> Justin Rexing: Ceiling box is too expensive for us because that requires 502 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:08,880 contractors, et cetera, et cetera. 503 00:22:09,120 --> 00:22:11,910 Dante, if I already had something there. Yeah. 504 00:22:11,910 --> 00:22:14,710 Like, it's usually like a lectern or a rack. 505 00:22:14,790 --> 00:22:17,750 >> Chris Dechter: Here's the other thing that I find projector audio D embedding great for 506 00:22:17,750 --> 00:22:20,680 is, assisted listening systems, which need to be up in the 507 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:23,560 ceiling. And you're already up there and you already have power. 508 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:26,360 You already have connectivity and signals, so why not? 509 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:30,720 And you know what else that that D embed off the back or projector is doing 510 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:32,200 in most cases? Nothing. 511 00:22:32,360 --> 00:22:35,160 >> Justin Rexing: So you know what I've noticed though? Anything 512 00:22:36,170 --> 00:22:38,890 I need to check all manufacturers, but anything above 513 00:22:38,970 --> 00:22:41,890 6000 lumen have stopped putting those things on there. 514 00:22:41,890 --> 00:22:44,770 And that caught me off guard. I was like, when did that happen? I was 515 00:22:44,770 --> 00:22:47,290 like, that I'm supposed to. And then. 516 00:22:47,690 --> 00:22:50,650 >> Chris Dechter: So I was gonna say I've not seen. I've not seen that at lower ones. I've 517 00:22:50,650 --> 00:22:51,900 seen those in big, dog projectors. 518 00:22:51,900 --> 00:22:54,460 >> Justin Rexing: Big, like 7,000 features off 519 00:22:55,100 --> 00:22:57,970 7,000. 8,000 lumens and up. doesn't 520 00:22:57,970 --> 00:22:59,890 have audio D embedding on them M anymore. 521 00:23:01,090 --> 00:23:01,930 Be careful with that. 522 00:23:01,930 --> 00:23:04,890 >> Chris Dechter: More either. but I've noticed some projectors now 523 00:23:04,890 --> 00:23:07,450 don't have speakers in them. Finally. So 524 00:23:07,770 --> 00:23:10,570 I'm spending four grand on a projector. I don't need a three 525 00:23:10,570 --> 00:23:11,610 dollar speaker in there. 526 00:23:11,770 --> 00:23:14,410 >> Justin Rexing: That does sometimes help for troubleshooting. 527 00:23:14,730 --> 00:23:16,810 Sometimes. Sometimes. 528 00:23:16,810 --> 00:23:18,570 >> Larry Darling: Or cause the problems that require. 529 00:23:18,570 --> 00:23:20,650 >> Justin Rexing: Yeah, More problematic than 530 00:23:22,570 --> 00:23:25,570 solving a problem. But I've, I've used it for troubleshooting. 531 00:23:25,570 --> 00:23:28,480 I'm like, why am I not getting audio? It's 532 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:30,160 like, oh, it's getting here. Why am I not hearing it? 533 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:31,680 >> Jamie Rinehart: You know, I don't, I don't understand. 534 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:35,240 >> Justin Rexing: All right, you don't Understand me? My. My 535 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:37,280 M. What? Which part? 536 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:39,280 >> Chris Dechter: Who went second? Larry, Were you second last time around? 537 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:40,800 >> Larry Darling: I am. Yeah. I went second last. 538 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:43,630 >> Chris Dechter: Okay, so moving on, Larry. We've got this, we rigged a 539 00:23:43,630 --> 00:23:46,030 washing machine drum with time bottle rocket 540 00:23:46,030 --> 00:23:49,030 dispensers, and we've gonna cut that propped up on four 541 00:23:49,030 --> 00:23:51,150 carjacks that's ready to go. So. 542 00:23:51,150 --> 00:23:52,390 >> Justin Rexing: Four carjacks. 543 00:23:52,950 --> 00:23:55,750 >> Chris Dechter: Wow, that sounds very nice with my redneck engineering here. 544 00:23:55,990 --> 00:23:58,060 How do you build explosive devices? 545 00:23:58,460 --> 00:24:00,740 >> Justin Rexing: Tannerite. We're in Kentucky. 546 00:24:00,740 --> 00:24:03,700 >> Chris Dechter: Gotten there yet? Oh, that's a brand name, sir. And they 547 00:24:03,700 --> 00:24:05,420 are not a sponsor, so, 548 00:24:07,510 --> 00:24:08,870 reach out to us. Tannerite. 549 00:24:11,190 --> 00:24:14,150 >> Larry Darling: So part of my classroom replacement cycle this summer 550 00:24:14,470 --> 00:24:17,350 involves a couple of active learning 551 00:24:17,350 --> 00:24:19,750 rooms that were designed before I got here. 552 00:24:20,310 --> 00:24:22,550 >> Chris Dechter: Oh, by people who don't understand active learning rooms. 553 00:24:22,710 --> 00:24:25,670 >> Larry Darling: Well, I've seen this at our university. I've seen this at 554 00:24:25,670 --> 00:24:28,610 other universities. People. There was this phase 555 00:24:28,610 --> 00:24:31,370 where everybody was pushing out active learning rooms. And I love 556 00:24:31,370 --> 00:24:33,970 active learning rooms, but I love them when they're done 557 00:24:34,050 --> 00:24:37,010 right with everybody at the table. Who needs to be at 558 00:24:37,010 --> 00:24:39,970 the table and ours weren't. I mean, just straight up, 559 00:24:39,970 --> 00:24:42,610 the ones we're refreshing right now. 560 00:24:42,929 --> 00:24:45,890 When they were installed, they. 561 00:24:46,050 --> 00:24:48,890 It didn't seem like everyone who should 562 00:24:48,890 --> 00:24:51,330 have a voice did. And I've seen this at 563 00:24:51,570 --> 00:24:54,180 other schools I've worked at, and 564 00:24:55,220 --> 00:24:58,140 I hear this every time we're at a conference. So 565 00:24:58,140 --> 00:25:00,580 if you're doing an active learning room and 566 00:25:01,300 --> 00:25:03,940 you don't have space management, 567 00:25:04,100 --> 00:25:06,500 the registrar, instructional designers 568 00:25:06,500 --> 00:25:09,379 assigned to the project, and 569 00:25:09,460 --> 00:25:12,260 also a detailed plan to support the faculty 570 00:25:12,260 --> 00:25:14,980 after the fact, you should just blow it up. 571 00:25:14,980 --> 00:25:17,900 Like, just immediately fill it with the terminite or 572 00:25:17,900 --> 00:25:19,540 whatever it is in Kentucky. 573 00:25:19,540 --> 00:25:21,140 >> Chris Dechter: Termite, Terminite, Termite. 574 00:25:22,310 --> 00:25:23,750 >> Larry Darling: And we have this up. 575 00:25:25,590 --> 00:25:26,790 >> Justin Rexing: We got termites, too. 576 00:25:27,310 --> 00:25:30,310 >> Chris Dechter: all right, well, I. I don't disagree with you, Larry. I've got an active 577 00:25:30,310 --> 00:25:33,310 learning room that we're. We're building now. We're doing it with the right 578 00:25:33,310 --> 00:25:36,070 people, but they keep trying to exclude certain parties from 579 00:25:36,070 --> 00:25:39,030 that. I don't think it's intentional. I think it's more of like, well, 580 00:25:39,030 --> 00:25:41,950 why do you need to be on part of this conversation? And then you saw. Well, you 581 00:25:41,950 --> 00:25:43,390 guys saw. I was sharing internally 582 00:25:45,150 --> 00:25:48,090 what sort of nonsense came out of this consultant. So. And, it 583 00:25:48,090 --> 00:25:50,580 was not technology. It was like, just from like the general 584 00:25:50,900 --> 00:25:53,780 space planning layout furniture. It can go real 585 00:25:53,780 --> 00:25:56,500 side real go sideways very quickly, very 586 00:25:56,500 --> 00:25:56,860 fast. 587 00:25:56,860 --> 00:25:59,700 >> Larry Darling: So, yes, and I think everybody needs to be 588 00:25:59,700 --> 00:26:02,460 at the table, because if everyone isn't 589 00:26:02,460 --> 00:26:05,140 there, then the needs of any one 590 00:26:05,140 --> 00:26:07,700 Particular group becomes elevated. 591 00:26:07,780 --> 00:26:10,740 Like, the registrar needs a certain amount of seats in 592 00:26:10,740 --> 00:26:13,420 the room, which goes against the instructional 593 00:26:13,420 --> 00:26:16,030 designer requirement. Four, square 594 00:26:16,030 --> 00:26:18,830 footage per student. Like it's. You need 595 00:26:18,830 --> 00:26:20,510 everybody there to get all the voices. 596 00:26:20,830 --> 00:26:23,830 >> Chris Dechter: What number, by the way, just got curious. What number are you using for square 597 00:26:23,830 --> 00:26:26,670 footage per student in an active learning with flexible seating? 598 00:26:27,390 --> 00:26:28,891 6. 400. 599 00:26:29,049 --> 00:26:29,681 >> Larry Darling: 6. 600 00:26:29,839 --> 00:26:30,550 >> Chris Dechter: 6. 601 00:26:30,550 --> 00:26:31,870 >> Justin Rexing: Is that the right answer, Larry? 602 00:26:31,870 --> 00:26:34,390 >> Jamie Rinehart: Larry needs an Amazon warehouse for every class. 603 00:26:34,390 --> 00:26:35,230 >> Justin Rexing: I was guessing. Is it? 604 00:26:35,230 --> 00:26:37,470 >> Chris Dechter: I've been using 24, but I have been. 605 00:26:37,470 --> 00:26:40,390 >> Larry Darling: I've been pushing for 24. Because right now we don't. We don't even 606 00:26:40,390 --> 00:26:40,830 have that. 607 00:26:42,590 --> 00:26:42,910 >> Chris Dechter: Yeah. 608 00:26:42,910 --> 00:26:43,630 >> Justin Rexing: How about two? 609 00:26:44,270 --> 00:26:46,590 >> Chris Dechter: Two. You understand what a square foot is, right? 610 00:26:47,470 --> 00:26:48,430 >> Justin Rexing: Square yard? 611 00:26:49,630 --> 00:26:49,990 >> Chris Dechter: No. 612 00:26:49,990 --> 00:26:50,990 >> Justin Rexing: Can we do it in yards? 613 00:26:51,790 --> 00:26:54,750 >> Chris Dechter: We're gonna do it in hectares. It's only in hectares. All right, well, let me. 614 00:26:54,750 --> 00:26:57,630 Let me blow up. Bad act of learning design, not including the right 615 00:26:57,630 --> 00:26:58,430 people at the table. 616 00:27:08,120 --> 00:27:10,800 All righty. So, 617 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,430 Jamie, we've got this, old satellite dish over here. We 618 00:27:13,430 --> 00:27:15,630 welded that to the back of a lawnmower. We filled that with, 619 00:27:16,830 --> 00:27:19,550 of course, we filled it with old 620 00:27:19,550 --> 00:27:22,550 artillery shells. And we're calling this the Freedom Catapult, 621 00:27:22,550 --> 00:27:24,430 so fire away. 622 00:27:26,540 --> 00:27:29,540 >> Jamie Rinehart: devices that require a software base 623 00:27:30,010 --> 00:27:32,250 that is not built around the user 624 00:27:32,810 --> 00:27:35,370 access level of the computer. Oh, 625 00:27:36,090 --> 00:27:36,490 right. 626 00:27:37,610 --> 00:27:40,410 >> Chris Dechter: The. It works fine in our test bench, but not in actual 627 00:27:40,410 --> 00:27:40,810 production. 628 00:27:40,810 --> 00:27:43,530 >> Jamie Rinehart: You have to right click and say run as an admin. 629 00:27:44,490 --> 00:27:46,410 Then it was built wrong. 630 00:27:47,550 --> 00:27:50,180 and I find these. This is happening on, like, 631 00:27:50,180 --> 00:27:53,030 user level devices. we're looking at you, Logitech, 632 00:27:53,110 --> 00:27:55,940 Elgato, where you can't run some of 633 00:27:55,940 --> 00:27:58,820 their things on a user level on a managed system, 634 00:27:59,220 --> 00:28:01,900 they have to have admin privileges which aren't given 635 00:28:01,900 --> 00:28:04,580 away. And, 636 00:28:04,980 --> 00:28:07,980 and then, like, the. The fact that they're dumbfounded when you 637 00:28:07,980 --> 00:28:10,540 bring this up. Like, I can't use 638 00:28:10,540 --> 00:28:13,300 NDI tools on a standard PC 639 00:28:13,380 --> 00:28:16,260 because it has to run on an administrative level 640 00:28:16,900 --> 00:28:18,600 that is not given to anybody. 641 00:28:20,030 --> 00:28:21,630 Oh, well, why would you do that? 642 00:28:21,950 --> 00:28:22,350 >> Chris Dechter: What? 643 00:28:23,710 --> 00:28:24,420 >> Justin Rexing: Ah. 644 00:28:24,420 --> 00:28:24,970 >> Larry Darling: Yeah. 645 00:28:25,130 --> 00:28:28,090 >> Jamie Rinehart: So if it is sold through B and H or CDW 646 00:28:28,330 --> 00:28:30,970 or Amazon, then maybe 647 00:28:31,290 --> 00:28:34,210 write your software in such a way that the 648 00:28:34,210 --> 00:28:36,090 standard user can use it. 649 00:28:37,210 --> 00:28:39,770 Ideally, it's whatever default driver is out there, 650 00:28:40,350 --> 00:28:43,180 that. I don't know why we have to get too far away from the default 651 00:28:43,180 --> 00:28:46,120 driver drivers for video and audio. I don't get 652 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:48,960 it. But we always have to throw some stupid 653 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,760 wrinkle in there that says that you need to be able to do this. 654 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:53,600 I've even had issues with, 655 00:28:54,950 --> 00:28:57,270 sound bars from Some of the bigger 656 00:28:57,430 --> 00:29:00,310 manufacturers. Oh, that's great. Well, 657 00:29:00,310 --> 00:29:03,190 it will show as a thing, but you have to download this 658 00:29:03,190 --> 00:29:06,150 driver and this software in order to make it 659 00:29:06,150 --> 00:29:07,780 work. wireless share devices. 660 00:29:09,150 --> 00:29:10,990 You can't use it unless you have our app. 661 00:29:12,270 --> 00:29:14,350 Oh, come on, come on, 662 00:29:15,390 --> 00:29:16,110 help us out. 663 00:29:16,110 --> 00:29:19,070 >> Chris Dechter: And so help me to piggyback on that. So help me. If your device 664 00:29:19,070 --> 00:29:21,800 requires. I use a you know, a smartphone or a 665 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,690 tablet to enable features on it. That's 666 00:29:24,690 --> 00:29:27,610 getting boxed up and shipped back to you in pieces. It. I found it that 667 00:29:27,610 --> 00:29:27,890 way. 668 00:29:29,410 --> 00:29:30,720 >> Jamie Rinehart: Yeah, it showed up this way. 669 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,050 >> Chris Dechter: How I got it. All right, well let's let's let's blow up 670 00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:36,130 non enterprise friendly 671 00:29:37,010 --> 00:29:38,610 PC software applications. 672 00:29:40,130 --> 00:29:40,530 This. 673 00:29:49,730 --> 00:29:50,940 All right, let's see. 674 00:29:50,940 --> 00:29:53,140 >> Justin Rexing: Well we need one big one, one. 675 00:29:53,140 --> 00:29:55,930 >> Chris Dechter: Last one here and then we'll do our grand finale. So I'm 676 00:29:55,930 --> 00:29:58,770 gonna. And I thought Jamie had stolen mine, but he went a 677 00:29:58,770 --> 00:30:01,490 slightly different direction. So I'm gonna kind of 678 00:30:01,730 --> 00:30:04,690 be a similar topic here. So 679 00:30:04,690 --> 00:30:07,650 I've stacked a pallet of firewood into kind of a crude 680 00:30:07,650 --> 00:30:10,650 obelisk shape. I threw a Bluetooth speaker in 681 00:30:10,650 --> 00:30:13,490 there that's on a constant loop playing Hulk Hogan's Real American 682 00:30:14,130 --> 00:30:16,850 and I'm lighting it using a magnifying glass. So this has been 683 00:30:16,850 --> 00:30:18,770 cooking for a while here. So. 684 00:30:19,650 --> 00:30:21,650 And if you need a reminder of that it's. 685 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:30,760 >> Justin Rexing: Anyone I'm going to run through a wall now 686 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:33,240 I got goosebumps. 687 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,330 >> Chris Dechter: So this is this is. So I'm like I said, 688 00:30:36,330 --> 00:30:39,010 similar to Jamie's but not exactly. This is devices that 689 00:30:39,010 --> 00:30:41,810 require a software application on 690 00:30:41,810 --> 00:30:44,730 the PC at all to use features on 691 00:30:44,730 --> 00:30:46,530 that and as part of it. 692 00:30:47,490 --> 00:30:50,130 The biggest concern I have with that is even if it's 693 00:30:50,290 --> 00:30:53,210 enterprise friendly and you can package it and deploy it and it's you 694 00:30:53,210 --> 00:30:56,090 runs at the user level and all that stuff. And if you get past all of 695 00:30:56,090 --> 00:30:58,500 that, it's the software 696 00:30:58,500 --> 00:31:01,060 updates that are making hardware 697 00:31:01,060 --> 00:31:03,820 worse. So things that were much 698 00:31:03,820 --> 00:31:06,580 better two or three years ago and they have added new 699 00:31:06,580 --> 00:31:09,260 features to the little software helper application, which I already 700 00:31:09,260 --> 00:31:12,260 hate for all the reasons Jamie just described. I hate that I 701 00:31:12,260 --> 00:31:15,140 have to have a little software helper app. But even if I get 702 00:31:15,140 --> 00:31:17,820 beyond that and I get one that does work in my 703 00:31:17,820 --> 00:31:20,820 enterprise environment at the user level and it's invisible to 704 00:31:20,820 --> 00:31:23,760 users, it's just hap. It just has to be there. But it's the 705 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,480 software updates that make the hardware perform 706 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,840 worse. Thus taking the thing as we described earlier, 707 00:31:30,310 --> 00:31:33,086 we're buying Something to go into a room, it's going to be there for 6, 7, 708 00:31:33,134 --> 00:31:36,070 8, 10, 12 years until it physically fails. But if it 709 00:31:36,070 --> 00:31:38,990 now has a helper app doing some of the processing on the computer 710 00:31:39,310 --> 00:31:42,110 and that app is either reducing 711 00:31:42,110 --> 00:31:45,030 performance, it's removing features, things are just in general 712 00:31:45,030 --> 00:31:46,830 not working as well as it used to, 713 00:31:47,710 --> 00:31:50,530 that's terrible. Please stop doing that. And for 714 00:31:50,530 --> 00:31:53,450 many of you who have, many of the app, m. Manufacturers, out 715 00:31:53,450 --> 00:31:56,330 there who have little helper apps, you're all guilty of 716 00:31:56,330 --> 00:31:59,320 this. some of these that used to be, like, until about 717 00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:02,080 two years ago, this was my default auto framing camera 718 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:05,000 company. And you know who you are. I don't buy 719 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,840 a single one of your devices anymore because of your software, 720 00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:10,680 not your hardware. So your software team has 721 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,120 ruined your hardware and you're off the list. 722 00:32:13,950 --> 00:32:16,150 So. All right, let me blow that up. 723 00:32:16,150 --> 00:32:18,550 >> Justin Rexing: Real quick and blow up the 724 00:32:18,550 --> 00:32:19,310 bloatware. 725 00:32:28,510 --> 00:32:29,070 >> Larry Darling: All right. 726 00:32:29,070 --> 00:32:31,870 >> Justin Rexing: I feel like somebody needs to be on an Apple device right now 727 00:32:31,870 --> 00:32:34,830 and like, doing the hand signal to make fireworks go off 728 00:32:35,310 --> 00:32:36,630 while the sound's happening. 729 00:32:36,630 --> 00:32:37,190 >> Chris Dechter: Where is it? 730 00:32:37,190 --> 00:32:39,920 >> Justin Rexing: Can we do that? that'd be cool for you 731 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:40,920 youtubers out there. 732 00:32:41,370 --> 00:32:43,130 >> Jamie Rinehart: I am on an Apple device and I. 733 00:32:43,130 --> 00:32:44,570 >> Justin Rexing: What's the hand signal for that? 734 00:32:44,740 --> 00:32:45,420 >> Larry Darling: I'm Windows. 735 00:32:45,980 --> 00:32:48,580 >> Chris Dechter: Is it this one there? Nope, that's not it. 736 00:32:48,580 --> 00:32:49,340 >> Justin Rexing: Oh, this one. 737 00:32:49,340 --> 00:32:50,100 >> Jamie Rinehart: Laser show. 738 00:32:50,100 --> 00:32:51,260 >> Chris Dechter: Oh, there it is. 739 00:32:53,020 --> 00:32:55,740 You know how much crap I disable to get past that? 740 00:33:00,220 --> 00:33:03,150 By the way, here's another similar pet peeve is the, the stuff I 741 00:33:03,150 --> 00:33:05,910 want to blow up is software features like that, that ship by 742 00:33:05,910 --> 00:33:07,870 default on that. I have to go turn off. 743 00:33:09,470 --> 00:33:11,230 >> Justin Rexing: Look at that. You figured it out. 744 00:33:11,630 --> 00:33:13,030 >> Larry Darling: I'm kind of jealous at this point. 745 00:33:13,030 --> 00:33:15,990 >> Chris Dechter: Buried way down in there. Oh, 746 00:33:15,990 --> 00:33:17,310 Happy birthday to you, sir. 747 00:33:18,270 --> 00:33:19,790 >> Jamie Rinehart: I don't ever use these things. 748 00:33:20,190 --> 00:33:21,630 >> Justin Rexing: All right, well, we just lost. 749 00:33:21,710 --> 00:33:24,540 >> Chris Dechter: That said, I think it's time for our, our 750 00:33:24,620 --> 00:33:27,620 to wrap up the show with the grand finale. But before we do that, 751 00:33:27,620 --> 00:33:30,580 any last items we missed? Anything that I know? We all brought three or four 752 00:33:30,580 --> 00:33:33,470 different items to this. Any last things someone really needs 753 00:33:33,470 --> 00:33:36,360 to get out there that we just want to say as part of, higher 754 00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:39,240 ed IT and AV stuff. Please stop doing this 755 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,170 because we're going to blow it up every year. And again, if you want to, 756 00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,610 contribute, please write in with what you'd like us to blow up next year. 757 00:33:44,770 --> 00:33:47,770 >> Justin Rexing: Listen, there's a few consultants that really didn't like what I 758 00:33:47,770 --> 00:33:50,650 had to say at Infocom, and they gave me 759 00:33:50,650 --> 00:33:53,450 the stink. Look, all you have to do like. I really 760 00:33:53,450 --> 00:33:56,130 hate bashing consultants. I know. You all are people, too. 761 00:33:56,450 --> 00:33:58,950 >> Larry Darling: Don't. Because you do it all the time. 762 00:33:59,110 --> 00:34:01,960 >> Justin Rexing: I know. just pay attention to what you're doing. 763 00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,280 Slow down. I know you all are 764 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:08,120 overworked. Relax. Calm down, 765 00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:10,600 and figure out what you're drawing out. 766 00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:13,320 And make sure it's detailed. 767 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:17,640 >> Larry Darling: Make sure the name on the side matches the actual 768 00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:17,960 place. 769 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:19,560 >> Justin Rexing: Stop to copy and paste. 770 00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:25,400 It's not. I mean, it's not rocket science here. I just don't understand 771 00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:28,420 why there's so many mistakes with consultants, unless you're 772 00:34:28,420 --> 00:34:28,540 doing. 773 00:34:28,540 --> 00:34:29,860 >> Chris Dechter: AV for NASA or something. 774 00:34:29,860 --> 00:34:32,820 >> Justin Rexing: And then they're paid. It is four or five times 775 00:34:32,820 --> 00:34:35,700 what we do, and we're the ones solving their problems. And 776 00:34:35,700 --> 00:34:38,180 it's just a slap in the face knowing what. 777 00:34:38,580 --> 00:34:40,500 What they're getting for pay. It's just. 778 00:34:40,500 --> 00:34:42,980 >> Chris Dechter: And if you find a good consultant, hang on to them. 779 00:34:43,060 --> 00:34:43,580 >> Justin Rexing: Yes. 780 00:34:43,580 --> 00:34:44,420 >> Chris Dechter: Because they're rare. 781 00:34:44,740 --> 00:34:45,420 >> Justin Rexing: They are rare. 782 00:34:45,420 --> 00:34:45,940 >> Chris Dechter: They're out there. 783 00:34:45,940 --> 00:34:48,660 >> Justin Rexing: They're out there. Yeah. They exist. It's just 784 00:34:49,380 --> 00:34:52,020 Mo. Every one of them I've dealt with is. 785 00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,880 >> Chris Dechter: Stretch. All right, well, while we're closing up, let me go set off 786 00:34:57,880 --> 00:34:59,680 every other fire we've got over here. 787 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,160 >> Justin Rexing: Sorry, I went on a little bit there. Yeah, 788 00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:21,240 well, I thought it was gonna stop, and then. 789 00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:24,840 >> Chris Dechter: Yeah, no, this is 27 minutes of this, 790 00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,000 so. Yeah, just hold on to that. 791 00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:29,960 >> Justin Rexing: We're just gonna look at each other for 27 minutes. 792 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:31,400 >> Chris Dechter: This is your life now. 793 00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,620 Well, thanks. Thanks for, for joining us for our, our Independence 794 00:35:37,620 --> 00:35:40,540 Day special where we celebrate America by blowing up a little part of it. 795 00:35:40,890 --> 00:35:43,810 we'll be back next month with some other topic of things that may or 796 00:35:43,810 --> 00:35:46,570 may not be the topic we want to talk about, and we'll just ignore that as well, 797 00:35:46,570 --> 00:35:49,550 so. And all that 798 00:35:49,550 --> 00:35:52,310 fun stuff. All right, see you guys. Thanks. 799 00:35:58,390 --> 00:36:01,150 Thanks for putting up with yet another episode of AV Super 800 00:36:01,150 --> 00:36:03,990 Friends on topic. You can contact us with questions, 801 00:36:03,990 --> 00:36:05,110 topic ideas, or General 802 00:36:05,110 --> 00:36:07,190 complaints@avsuperfriends.com. 803 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:15,600 >> Justin Rexing: Nice work, everyone. 804 00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,320 >> Chris Dechter: Sharp broadcast. Really good. Everyone on the floor as 805 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:21,840 well. Really a lot of hustle. I liked it. 806 00:36:22,240 --> 00:36:25,160 The opinions expressed by the AV Super Friends are solely those of the 807 00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:27,760 individuals and do not represent their respective institutions, 808 00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:29,840 organizations, companies, or clients.