LESLIE KNOPE (Parks and Rec clip): Well, it was tough going,
but it was lively.
What'd you think of the open forum?
RAUL: This meeting of ugly people yelling?
It is like torture.
LESLIE: That's one perspective.
RAUL: In Caracas, the government moves like a hot knife
through butter.
What you see here, listen to people yelling.
These fat faces turning all red.
Are you kidding me?
We're like kings.
We walk down the street, and they treat us like rock stars.
We answer to nobody.
LESLIE: Well, in a true democracy,
we believe that the input of our citizens is extremely valuable.
PASSERBY: Hey, these pretzels suck.
LESLIE: Thank you.
See.
[THEME MUSIC]
CHARLIE BENNETT: You are listening to WREK Atlanta,
and this is Lost in the Stacks, the punk ass book jockeys show.
No, the research library rock and roll radio show.
I am Charlie in the studio with--
well, it's a tight crew today--
Ameet, Fred, and Matthew.
Each week on Lost in the Stacks, we pick a theme
and then use it to create a mix of music and library talk.
Whichever you're here for, we hope you dig it.
AMEET DOSHI: That's right, Charlie.
Today's show is called "Libraries as Convivial Spaces."
INTERVIEWER 4: Oh, that's very nice.
FRED RASCOE: Wait a minute, Ameet.
A topic like that needs a little bit more
of an enthusiastic introduction.
AMEET DOSHI: Yeah, you're right, Fred.
I'm not doing this justice.
Today on the show, we talk about libraries as convivial spaces!
[CHEERING]
[CHIMING]
FRED RASCOE: I feel much better.
I'm feeling pretty [TOOTING].
AMEET DOSHI: Oh, yeah.
You're looking good, man.
Now, I've recently learned from our guests
that the word convivial actually has a different interpretation
than what I thought.
CHARLIE BENNETT: Wait, we just went through all of that
for nothing?
AMEET DOSHI: Well, it doesn't matter.
I'm going with it.
FRED RASCOE: OK, good.
Good.
CHARLIE BENNETT: If you want to join the conversation
or add some definition of convivial to our lives,
the hashtag for this show is LIT 457
for Lost in the Stacks, episode 457.
Feel free to tweet your thoughts, questions,
or alternate definitions of conviviality
with those hashtags.
AMEET DOSHI: And our songs today are
about interactions, connections with people and things,
and growing the convivial experience.
CHARLIE BENNETT: Yay!
AMEET DOSHI: A convivial experience
will often start with a friendly greeting, some kazoos.
So let's start the show with 1, 2.
This is "Salut Les Copains."
[TOOTING] "Salut Les Copains."
CHARLIE BENNETT: Wow, dude.
AMEET DOSHI: "Salut Les Copains,"
which roughly translated means hey, friends--
[CHIMING]
--by the band Eux Autres, right here on Lost in the Stacks.
[WHISTLE]
[MUSIC PLAYING]
AMEET DOSHI: This is Lost in the Stacks,
and joining us in the studio are two guests Oscar Gittemeier
from the Atlanta-Fulton Public Library System,
and Sandjar Kozubaev, a PhD student here at Georgia Tech.
Welcome to you both.
SANDJAR KOZUBAEV: Hello.
OSCAR GITTEMEIER: Thanks for having us.
AMEET DOSHI: So let's begin with just a little introduction here.
Oscar, I know you do outreach, but give me a little brief
of what that entails for AFPLS.
OSCAR GITTEMEIER: So the one thing I just want to say
is we actually we just changed our name recently,
so we are now the Fulton County Library System.
AMEET DOSHI: Oh, whoa.
All right.
OSCAR GITTEMEIER: So with Fulton County Library System,
we just got two brand new innovation stations, and so it's
imagine the bookmobile.
So half of the van is books.
The other half is all technology.
So we do a lot of tech literacy, a lot of digital literacy,
showing people how to use 3D printers, laser cutters.
We also do a lot of work with people in detention,
so we do regular programs with the men's jail, the women's
jail, lots of literacy stuff.
So basically we just bring the library to you.
So wherever the patrons are, we just bring the programs to them.
And we've been really tasked with trying
to get people that are non-traditional users
and just getting them to get a library card
and use our resources.
AMEET DOSHI: Great.
And, Oscar, do you want to talk a little bit about what
you're doing here--
I'm sorry, Sandjar, about what you're
doing here at Georgia Tech.
SANDJAR KOZUBAEV: Of course.
So I'm a PhD student in the digital media program.
I study design, speculation, and futures
as it pertains to library and public spaces
and civic institutions in general.
And I'm affiliated with the Experimental Civics
Studio, which is under the direction of Dr. Carl DiSalvo.
It's actually a studio that's relaunching this year.
AMEET DOSHI: Excellent.
So how did your worlds collide because I
would say this is a nice match, but I imagine that there
was some kind of serendipitous encounter
that connected you guys.
So, Oscar, do you want to--
OSCAR GITTEMEIER: So-- it--
I actually came in contact with this whole project
through my colleague Amanda Densmore
that does community engagement as well.
And Sandjar came and did a workshop
at our staff development day, and that
has evolved where he's now working
with the outreach committee and we're
doing a lot of ongoing projects right now.
But it was all born through a colleague
and then you coming to our staff development day.
AMEET DOSHI: Excellent.
So today's show is called "Libraries as Convivial Spaces,"
and I will cop to the fact that I had to look up the word
convivial.
And I got to say I liked what I saw.
But let's begin with the basics.
We're using this word.
What does the word mean in the context of libraries?
SANDJAR KOZUBAEV: So, yes.
So it's a very beautiful world-- word
in my opinion, convivial-- conviviality.
And I think people interpret it in different ways,
but broadly speaking, it's this idea of people coming together
in some collective action, some meaningful collective action
whether it's political action or just everyday action.
And so it's often attributed to this philosopher Ivan Illich,
who wrote this book in the '70s on conviviality and with this
call to think about how are we as society acting together
as a community.
How do we interact specifically when
we're interacting with people who
were not necessarily community members all together, so
strangers.
Think about last time you did something
with a stranger that was meaningful.
It's different when it's your community like your church
or synagogue or your neighborhood, HOA,
or whatever else.
But we are not doing it all.
We don't work as much with strangers
anymore, and so that's the problem that he
was he's talking about.
AMEET DOSHI: So I'd like to--
as a digital media student, you're
probably familiar with open source tools.
We're using Audacity to edit this very show.
Isn't that an example of--
would that be an example of a convivial collection active--
collective action project?
SANDJAR KOZUBAEV: Yeah, absolutely.
So it's interesting mentioned a piece of software.
As a design researcher myself, one of the things
I'm interested in and it's something
Ivan Illich talked about as well,
it's not just the interaction among people,
but it's interaction among people in their environments.
So here it's an interesting combination
of people, objects, software that
is coming together in these interesting relationships
and creating something that's good for everybody.
Earlier we were setting up mics.
Mics, microphones, and other objects
exert certain power and agency over us.
They make us sit a certain way and make us look a certain way.
And so that's as a design researcher,
these are the kinds of interesting-- the kinds
of things I'm interested in in public library settings.
So what are the kinds of objects librarians
use to create these open spaces, to create this access.
It's not just about books.
It's about the space.
It's about some of the outreach programs
that Oscar will talk about as well.
AMEET DOSHI: Yeah, I'm curious to hear more
about the innovation centers that you described, Oscar,
because-- are they on wheels?
Is that right?
OSCAR GITTEMEIER: They are now.
We just got these two brand new vans, but prior to that,
we were literally just popping up with tents and tables
in all kinds of spaces.
So I've literally set up in front of thrift stores,
in public parks, in what are considered
what I would call pseudo public space so
a lot of these private parks that you
will see in shopping areas.
So it looks like it's a public space, but it's not really.
It's privatized.
And so we would go in, and we would set up pop up
libraries in those spaces.
And for me, what's so transformative about the public
library coming into those spaces specifically
is that you're creating public space
within these private spaces.
And so we're setting up loungers and chairs and tables,
and we're encouraging people to gather in these spaces
where there are literally no loitering signs directly
behind us.
And so we're able to interrogate that idea of private space
and really encourage people to come together,
gather, and hang out with each other in those contested spaces.
AMEET DOSHI: Yeah, I guess if you're challenged,
you could say, we're not loitering.
We're being convivial.
OSCAR GITTEMEIER: Yes.
Yeah.
AMEET DOSHI: Well, if you're just joining us,
we're talking about libraries as convivial spaces
on Lost in the Stacks.
And we'll be back with more with Oscar and Sandjar
after a music set.
BOARD OP: File this next set under Z679.5.L52.
[MUSIC PLAYING]
CHARLIE BENNETT: "Hotel Yorba" by the White Stripes.
We will see you later.
And before that, "Nightclubbing" by Iggy pop.
I want everyone to know that Ameet
is dying to know what the atomic bomb is, the dance.
So if you know, you could tweet that, too,
and that would really help him out.
Those are songs about places where
people and things interact.
[MUSIC PLAYING]
FRED RASCOE: Welcome back.
Today's Lost in the Stacks is "Libraries as Convivial Spaces."
And we're talking to Oscar Gettemeier and Sandjar Kozubaev
about how libraries create fun experiences for the public.
It is about the experience of being in the library,
and I think, Sandjar, in the first segment
when you were speaking to Ameet, you
talked about libraries are not just a place for books.
And in academic libraries, we're realizing that,
but that really taps into I think a rich vein
of angst for librarians.
We're always thinking about, well, libraries are changing.
What are they becoming?
What are you finding out in your studies in design?
What are libraries becoming?
SANDJAR KOZUBAEV: Yes.
One of the things that was really
amazing and inspiring when I started working with Oscar
and his colleagues is all the different things and programs
that librarians offer to their community
and the incredible level of connectedness
that the librarians feel towards their community.
So they're very aware of who they
are, what's unique about that particular community, what kind
of members do they have, what are their needs.
And I also realized that one of the ways
to think about libraries is these labs for democracy,
small-d democracy, so not the kind of democracy
where you go and vote for a politician or somebody.
FRED RASCOE: You're not talking about they're just
used as polling stations.
SANDJAR KOZUBAEV: Exactly, exactly.
Which they actually are polling stations,
and there's reasons for that.
But I'm talking about these small experiments, many of which
fail, but some of which succeed in configuring relationships
among the community members, introducing
new kinds of technologies, introducing new kinds of ways
to--
for people to sustain themselves whether
through technological literacy or through education
or through something else.
And so I think if we start thinking about libraries
not just a place where you go borrow things such as books
but think about libraries as a way
to enrich our democracies in new, unexpected, and really
rich and interesting ways, I think
that really shifts the mindset.
FRED RASCOE: Are there specific examples
that come to mind when you think of a library as a lab
for democracy, something that you've seen in your observations
or studies where you think, oh, this is what a lab for democracy
is all about?
SANDJAR KOZUBAEV: Yeah, absolutely.
And, Oscar, feel free to jump in here, too.
One is very basic, which is informational literacy.
We are living in very interesting times
as far as information and media is concerned,
and so teaching people how to disseminate,
how to discern accurate information
from inaccurate information is a huge service.
In addition to that, when people have certain kinds
of unique needs-- so I remember a story-- somebody shared
a story with me about somebody trying to find something--
do some research about a very rare form of cancer.
Well, not only does the library have access
to different kinds of databases that you can't get through
places like Google or search engines,
but they also taught that person how to actually conduct research
on such a specific and such a complex topic.
And other examples include just doing maker sessions,
button making sessions, or doing things
with little digital tools that teach kids how to construct
toys, digital toys.
Things of that nature I think are
very unique when they are-- when they happen in a library because
of the openness of the space and because
of the friendliness of the nature
and because of the local knowledge of the librarians.
FRED RASCOE: Some things that libraries aren't traditionally
known for but it's becoming more and more common in libraries,
Oscar, I want to bring you in on this.
Is there been I guess inspiration or examples that you
found around the Atlanta area of convivial space
outside the library environment but something that you brought
in to the library environment?
OSCAR GITTEMEIER: I feel like even just--
and I know we were saying a little bit that it's not just
books, but I do want to give one example where I think it
is directly related to books.
And that's one of the biggest uproars we had recently
was over Drag Queen Storytime.
So a lot of the community was opposed to that and actually
came and protested in our library and took up seats
so that families that wanted to attend couldn't.
And so I think that when we're doing programs, even
those traditional ones you think of like storytime
at the library, that we're in those spaces.
We're deciding what our culture is.
We're deciding how we treat each other
and what we're going to choose to respect in society.
And it's where we decide our humanity.
And it's like if you don't have that public space
to debate over, then those conversations aren't happening.
You need public space for those arguments to happen.
And we have books that are contested pretty regularly.
So it's like there are people that don't want
certain books on our shelves.
And so just having that public space
for that conversation and that debate I think
is part of that little d democracy you're talking about.
But also just like you said, bringing the things in,
it is-- it's all about that trans literacy.
It's about not just getting the information
but accessing it through technology.
So if you need access to your local newspaper
but you don't know how to get the AJC on your tablet,
we're going to come to you.
We're going to show you how to access
that local, reliable information that is helping that big D
democracy.
FRED RASCOE: So the library I guess is going to be--
it sounds like in your mind or in your ideal,
the library is the example convivial space for a community.
OSCAR GITTEMEIER: I can't think of any other public space
that exists in the world that is going to provide you free--
accessible information that's for everyone
like you were talking about.
There's your HOA.
There's your-- all these Girl Scouts, Cub Scouts,
baseball, all these things.
But the public library is literally everyone.
It's every-- and that doesn't exist anywhere in the world.
So when you try to get everyone in one space
and to have those people agree on what information
is reliable and accurate and trustworthy,
that's just such an interesting space
that I just don't see existing anywhere else in the world.
FRED RASCOE: So in about a minute we have left in this
segment, there's--
libraries have space already usually in communities,
and there's usually some sort of funding
that comes with libraries.
What does it take to create a convivial space.
Can we do it with what we already have?
Do we need more funding, more space?
What do we need?
SANDJAR KOZUBAEV: I think, yeah, library funding is
a national issue, and it has been for a long time.
In my research, I found that support for public libraries
has been as high as ever.
Somebody tweeted earlier today or yesterday
about that there are more people going to libraries than there
are going to movies.
That's a great feeling to--
no disrespect for the movie industry,
but I think it's a great thing that
to have that people are going to libraries.
So what I'm also interested is not just the physical space
and how we maintain it, which is very important,
but also the kinds of objects, especially technology,
that we're putting in libraries.
So one of the examples that concerns me, for instance,
today is how we distribute ebooks within libraries.
So borrowing an e-book is a very different experience
and a whole different set of attachments and politics
and economics behind it than it is to get a book.
And so trying to be aware of the influence of these kinds
of technologies on this idea of open accessible space
is very interesting.
FRED RASCOE: Well, you're listening to Lost in the Stacks,
and we'll talk more with Sandjar and Oscar
on the left side of the hour.
[MUSIC PLAYING]
CHARLIE BENNETT: Would you be willing to do a show station ID?
STEVE ALBINI: Sure.
I don't know what that means but sure.
Hi, this is Steve Albini.
I'm a recording engineer, and I'm
in the band Shellac of North America.
And you are listening to Lost in the Stacks on WREK.
CHARLIE BENNETT: Today's Lost in the Stacks is called "Libraries
as Convivial Spaces."
This passage comes from Tools for Conviviality
by Ivan Illich, who was mentioned
earlier in today's show.
People need not only to obtain things.
They need above all the freedom to make things
among which they can live, to give shape
to them according to their own tastes, and to put them in use--
excuse me-- to put them to use in caring for and about others.
Prisoners in rich countries often have access to more things
and services than members of their families,
but they have no say in how things are to be made and cannot
decide what to do with them.
Their punishment consists in being deprived of what
I shall call conviviality.
They are degraded to the status of mere consumers.
Whew.
File this set under HB241.I for Illich 44.
[MUSIC PLAYING]
FRED RASCOE: "At Home He's a Tourist" by a Gang of Four.
Before that, "Where Were You" by the Lounge Lizards.
We started off with "Song for a Friend" by The Slaps,
songs about connections with individuals and communities
and what happens when those connections are lost.
[MUSIC PLAYING]
AMEET DOSHI: Welcome back.
We're talking about "Libraries as Convivial Spaces"
on Lost in the Stacks, and our show today is all about these
public spaces or maybe pseudo private.
Our guests are Oscar Gittemeier from the Fulton County Library
System, and Sandjar Kozubaev, a PhD student in digital media
here at Georgia Tech.
Both of you have spoken very eloquently and inspiringly
about the role of the librarian in an age
where there are so many different information
bubbles that are being created, and information literacy
has become a prominent issue of national and international
concern.
What are some other ways that librarians are really
sustaining our culture?
OSCAR GITTEMEIER: So when I think about sustaining culture,
I guess it's for me when I do outreach, I go out
into the community, and the first thing I try to do
is listen to what the needs are in that community.
So when I first started going to the East Atlanta farmers market,
we would do pop ups in that space.
And so see people picking up food, and I was like, oh,
would you be interested in cookbooks related
to whatever like heart disease or whatever the needs were
for that community.
And so I try to curate my collection
or my programs for whatever those particular community needs
are.
And so what I've been doing is popping up
in different locations, and one of the things we've noticed
is there are huge pockets of the city that you don't have
a library in walking distance.
You don't have a grocery store in walking distance.
So it's like what does that particular segment
of the population, what's their greatest need.
So we've been partnering with different community partners
and trying to get a seed library going
where we're actually bringing free books to book deserts.
We're bringing seeds to food deserts
and just trying to just listen to the community,
see what their needs are, and see how the library can
help provide some of that.
AMEET DOSHI: And, Sandjar, in your interviews,
did you pick up on any of these scenarios
where librarians were maybe doing some surprising things?
SANDJAR KOZUBAEV: Yeah.
Yeah, this is one of probably most interesting revelations
for me is the extent to which other non-human entities,
other living beings are being figured into libraries
in interesting ways.
One of them is the one that Oscar mentioned
is the evolving role of librarians
in this urban ecosystems whether they're
distributing seeds or distributing knowledge
or hosting seed swaps.
So this idea of participating in food justice and food
democracy as librarians is a fascinating notion to me.
There were other smaller, like I said earlier, experiments
that I've just never heard of.
One library-- and these are very, very local.
It's not like a library policy.
Sometimes librarians just do things
what's right for the community.
There was a story that one of my favorite, where
they had a library goldfish that they would lend to people.
And for-- if it's a library with--
if it's a patron with a good standing
and they know them very well, they
would give the goldfish for a couple of days
for them to experience it.
And it's just something that I've never heard of before.
Another interesting program is called Reading Paws,
which happens in libraries where it helps children with anxieties
of reading out loud to read to a dog, a specially trained dog.
And it's, again, this interesting interaction
between a human and a non-human, an animal
that happens within the confines of a library,
within the space of a library that I think
is very, very interesting, and there's
a lot more could be done to improve
those kinds of relations.
OSCAR GITTEMEIER: And just thinking
about being in a space with where we just
got to tour and see all of your music here,
we got to do a Ladies Rock Camp at the library
where women came in, they learned to play guitars,
drums, all kind of stuff, and our goal for that
was to eventually hopefully get the women to form a band.
And so three of the women actually
did continue to play music after the Ladies Rock Camp
at the library, so just all different types of programs.
We did filmmaking workshops where people were actually
making their own short films, and we're pretty soon
going to start circulating cameras
so people can actually check out a digital camera.
And they're just little knock off GoPros,
but you could take them to the skate park
or go hiking or make your own films with them.
So that's exciting, too, just thinking about people
not just consuming media but creating their own.
AMEET DOSHI: Yeah, it seems like that's
an element of a convivial space, collective action
with the emphasis on the second word
there, among people that maybe don't know each other as you
describe the Ladies Rock Camp.
OSCAR GITTEMEIER: Yeah, you had people in their 20s,
people in there in their 60s from all over the city.
We had people from outside the city driving all the way in just
to do it.
AMEET DOSHI: Yeah.
Well, we only have a few minutes left here,
but you're already blowing my mind with a seed swap and rock
band training in the library.
Is there anything that you want to leave us
with perhaps the best example of conviviality, library or not,
that you can think of?
No pressure.
OSCAR GITTEMEIER: Yeah.
I think there's a lot of things that are going on
like town halls where people come and have their neighborhood
planning unit meetings, where they're
debating what is our actual city going to look like.
How are we going to plan this out?
Some of our largest meetings are those neighborhood planning
unit meetings, and it's literally
they're deciding what the city will look like.
AMEET DOSHI: It's where the little d meets the big D.
OSCAR GITTEMEIER: Yes.
AMEET DOSHI: Yeah.
OSCAR GITTEMEIER: Yeah.
SANDJAR KOZUBAEV: Another one of my favorite examples
is-- are the library friends groups.
And these are sometimes formal, sometimes informal group
of people who are volunteers who come to the library
and just help raise funds.
They do book sales.
They do-- they clean up the grounds,
do a little bit of landscaping.
There's different ways that they participate.
But it's often people who don't know each other.
They come in and do some meaningful collective action
to support their libraries, and I think that's just beautiful.
AMEET DOSHI: Well, you've given us a lot to think about
and a lot to get inspired about.
Sandjar, Oscar, thank you so much for being
on the show today.
We really appreciate it.
SANDJAR KOZUBAEV: It was a pleasure.
OSCAR GITTEMEIER: Thanks for having us.
AMEET DOSHI: We've been speaking today with Oscar Gittemeier from
the Fulton County Library System and Sandjar Kozubaev,
a PhD student here at Georgia Tech,
about "Libraries as Convivial Spaces."
FRED RASCOE: File this set under TA167.A37.
[MUSIC PLAYING]
AMEET DOSHI: Oh, was this--
CHARLIE BENNETT: Did you zone out?
AMEET DOSHI: I totally did.
FRED RASCOE: It was the Floyd.
BOARD OP: It's a little bit too heady, man.
AMEET DOSHI: "Apples and Oranges" by, yes, Pink Floyd
CHARLIE BENNETT: Not Yes, Pink Floyd.
AMEET DOSHI: Before that, Farmer John with "Don and Dewey."
CHARLIE BENNETT: You want to flip that?
AMEET DOSHI: "Farmer John."
CHARLIE BENNETT: By--
AMEET DOSHI: By Don--
CHARLIE BENNETT: Don and Dewey.
AMEET DOSHI: And Dewey.
Yeah.
I thought that's what I said.
It's too convivial in here.
Those were songs about cultivating
the seeds of a convivial experience
and seeing it to come to fruition.
[CHIMING]
[MUSIC PLAYING]
CHARLIE BENNETT: Today's loosey goosey Lost in the Stacks is
called "Libraries as Convivial Spaces."
Hey, Matthew, let me get you in on this show.
MATTHEW (Board OP): Yeah.
CHARLIE BENNETT: What's the most convivial space you have ever
been in?
MATTHEW (Board Op): In recent memory,
probably WREK, the station itself, WRK Atlanta.
CHARLIE BENNETT: Yeah?
MATTHEW (Board Op): Very open.
People do a lot of different things, interesting stuff,
interesting art--
CHARLIE BENNETT: Mix of activities.
MATTHEW (Board Op): Mix of activities, good people,
very supportive.
CHARLIE BENNETT: Multifarious purposes.
MATTHEW (Board Op): All enjoyment.
Fred, what about you?
FRED RASCOE: Well, I-- what comes to my mind
is being in a band, which I've been
on a couple of times in my life in my much younger days.
CHARLIE BENNETT: Action man.
FRED RASCOE: Right.
But people get together in a space either a rehearsal space
or a recording space.
They're interacting with lots of different technologies
at various skill levels, maybe on the lower end
for my own particular skill but--
and not necessarily everyone having the same priorities
but all going towards the same goal of creating a song
or created a recorded piece.
CHARLIE BENNETT: Ameet, what do you think?
AMEET DOSHI: The reason I zoned out is, in high school,
I was in a carpool, and we listened to a lot of Pink Floyd
and Rush.
It was Pink Floyd and Rush, and it was very convivial.
It led to many, as you can imagine,
interesting conversations and experiences in that little Dodge
Aries from 1987.
CHARLIE BENNETT: Wow.
AMEET DOSHI: What about you, Charlie?
CHARLIE BENNETT: I think it's a toss up.
There are two roommate situations I was in.
When I was in school, I lived on 10th Street with a couple
of buddies, and after school, I lived a little bit farther out
Howell Mill Road with a couple of other buddies.
And we all were so different and had such different ideas
about what we wanted to do projectwise
or how we wanted to handle our investigative nature
that the houses would mix all these different intellectual
desires or cultural desires.
The house on 10th Street, a couple of bands played there one
night, and it felt a lot like a club.
But the house out the way, guy ran a Linux server out
of the living room.
So it's a you tell me kind of thing.
And with that, let's roll those credits.
[END THEME]
MATTHEW (Board Op): Lost in the Stacks
is a collaboration between WREK Atlanta and Georgia Tech
Library, produced by Charlie Bennett, Ameet Doshi, Woody
Hagemeyer, and Fred Rascoe.
FRED RASCOE: Matthew--
[TOOTING]-- was our engineer today,
and the show was brought to you in part by the Library
Collective and their social and professional network,
the League of Awesome Librarians, LAL.
Find out more about them at TheLibraryCollective.org.
AMEET DOSHI: Legal counsel and an old fashioned non-surveilled
cork bulletin board for posting your meetup--
CHARLIE BENNETT: Nice!
AMEET DOSHI: Was provided by the Burrus Intellectual Property Law
Group in Atlanta, Georgia.
FRED RASCOE: Special Thanks to Oscar and Sandjar
for being on the show, to all those folks promoting
communitarian conviviality, and thanks, as always,
to each and every one of you for listening.
AMEET DOSHI: Find us online at LostInTheStacks.org
and you can subscribe to our podcast
pretty much anywhere you get your audio fix.
CHARLIE BENNETT: Next week on Lost in the Stacks,
we will watch as two massive planets collide,
and we will see what happens.
And those planets are called instruction and technology.
AMEET DOSHI: It's time for our last song.
I may have had to look up the word convivial before the show
today.
CHARLIE BENNETT: We were so happy to ignore
the definition you found.
AMEET DOSHI: But after the interview
with Oscar and Sandjar, I'm now seeing
great convivial experiences everywhere
including this radio show.
CHARLIE BENNETT: It's true.
AMEET DOSHI: We've got to wrap up this episode,
but I'm already looking forward to next week
and more conviviality with you all here
in this booth in the studio and the listeners out there as well.
Until then, this is "Friend to Friend and End Time"
by Lungfish right here on Lost in the Stacks.
CHARLIE BENNETT: Ameet, I want you to hold my hand
and look me in the eye while we sing along to this song.
AMEET DOSHI: Have a great weekend, everybody.
[TOOTING]
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