MARTIN Q. BLANK: Yeah.
Yeah.
So you look good.
You seem good.
PAUL SPERICKI: Thank you.
You may have, uh--
[HORN HONKING]
10 years, man!
10!
10 years, man!
10!
10 years!
10!
10 years!
Where have you been for 10 years?
[MUSIC PLAYING]
CHARLIE BENNETT: You are listening to WREK Atlanta.
And this is Lost in the Stacks, the research library
rock and roll radio show.
I am Charlie, in the studio with Ameet, Matthew, Fred,
Marlee, a young Rascoe, Philip, [INAUDIBLE], and Cody.
Each week on Lost in the Stacks, we pick a theme
and then use it to create a mix of music and library talk.
Whichever you're here for, we hope you dig it.
AMEET DOSHI: That's right, Charlie.
Today's show is called "10 Years, Man!
10 YEARS."
CHARLIE BENNETT: Oh, that was nicely done.
AMEET DOSHI: Which is a rather dated--
CHARLIE BENNETT: Easy.
AMEET DOSHI: --reference from the film Grosse Pointe Blank.
FRED RASCOE: And you heard that relevant quote from the film
at the top of the show.
"10 years!"
MARLEE GIVENS: So are we doing a show on John Cusack
or '90s action comedies?
CHARLIE BENNETT: Oh, we really should.
But no, that reference is about the shocking and rewarding fact
that Lost in the Stacks is 10 years old today.
[APPLAUSE]
[CHEERING]
AMEET DOSHI: The very first episode of Lost in the Stacks
was broadcast at 7:00 PM Sunday, January 24, 2010--
CHARLIE BENNETT: That can't be right.
AMEET DOSHI: --AD.
CHARLIE BENNETT: That can't be--
I've got it right here.
It can't be right.
So we're taking a self-indulgent victory lap,
and we're eating some donuts in the studio.
I hope everybody got one.
AMEET DOSHI: We're going to talk about how we started,
what we're doing, and how we've changed on the air and off.
MARLEE GIVENS: If you want to join the conversation,
# the hashtag for this show is #LITS455 for Lost in the Stacks,
episode 455.
Feel free to tweet your thoughts, questions,
or favorite LITS -Mas memory with that hashtag.
CHARLIE BENNETT: There's plenty of those.
AMEET DOSHI: Our songs today are about celebration, longevity,
and growth.
We're pretty excited about the fact
that we made it 10 years with one of the more--
CHARLIE BENNETT: 10 years!
AMEET DOSHI: 10 years, man!
CHARLIE BENNETT: 10 years, man!
10 years!
AMEET DOSHI: 10 years with one of the more interesting
academic projects that we've all ever been involved with.
CHARLIE BENNETT: 10 years!
AMEET DOSHI: So let's kick off the show with a banger.
Fred.
CHARLIE BENNETT: Oh, boy.
AMEET DOSHI: Fred, what do we have lined up?
FRED RASCOE: We've got a good one.
It's about reflecting on good times.
And according to Lizzy--
CHARLIE BENNETT: Lizzy Rolando.
FRED RASCOE: She'll be joining us shortly.
According to Lizzy, this next song is a, quote,
"bomb ass tune."
AMEET DOSHI: Let's hit it.
This is "Salad Days" by Mac DeMarco,
right here on Lost in the Stacks.
[MAC DEMARCO, "SALAD DAYS"] As I'm get--
CHARLIE BENNETT: That was "Salad Days" by Mac DeMarco,
right here on Lost in the Stacks.
Today's show is called "10 Years, Man!
10 YEARS."
And here we go with the 10-year anniversary celebration of Lost
in the Stacks.
Ameet, I want you to let your mind wander back
to a fresh-faced, young, user experienced librarian,
and tell me how you could have possibly gotten yourself mixed
up in this whole radio thing.
AMEET DOSHI: Yeah.
You know, when I came into your office for the first time,
Charlie, you'll recall that--
CHARLIE BENNETT: Was it the very first time?
AMEET DOSHI: Yes, the very first time.
CHARLIE BENNETT: Ambush.
AMEET DOSHI: I saw a 90 Day Men poster, I think.
And I thought, wow, this guy's into cool music.
So--
CHARLIE BENNETT: Used to be, yeah.
AMEET DOSHI: At least, you know, there'll
be something good about this job.
And then I realized I had actually listened to WREK.
You could pick up WREK and WRAS in Knoxville, Tennessee,
at night.
CHARLIE BENNETT: That's pretty intense.
AMEET DOSHI: Usually after midnight,
the airwaves would get there, would creep into the East
Tennessee Valley.
And I thought, wow, if ever-- if I'm ever in Atlanta,
I should check out the college radio station.
And then everything came-- all the streams aligned.
CHARLIE BENNETT: But you know, never cross the streams, dude.
AMEET DOSHI: I know.
Well, that's-- 10 years later.
And what happened?
Yeah.
CHARLIE BENNETT: So you were in an office covered
with rock and roll posters.
You had heard WREK before, and something started cooking.
I still-- my favorite part of this whole story
is that I said, hey, we should definitely
get the library on the radio, meaning we should
do PSAs or something like that.
AMEET DOSHI: Yeah, 30 seconds.
CHARLIE BENNETT: And you didn't miss a beat.
You said, we should totally have a show.
And it was off to the races.
AMEET DOSHI: Yes.
Well, this could also be the fact
that I'm not a very good listener.
And I was listening to the idea in my head,
instead of what you suggested.
CHARLIE BENNETT: Well, you had done user experience,
so you liked databases, and printouts, and things like that,
but people actually say, no, wait, I didn't say--
OK, fine.
That was something you missed.
So I printed out the playlist for the very first episode.
Matthew had a question after the intro.
You want to throw in?
We can start talking about that.
MATTHEW RICH: Yeah.
I mean, you mentioned that you started the show at 7:00 PM
on a Sunday.
CHARLIE BENNETT: Yeah.
MATTHEW RICH: And I was thinking of Lost in the Stacks
as an established show for 10 years.
Like, why are you on a weekend?
Why at night?
CHARLIE BENNETT: Why not the lunchtime library [INAUDIBLE]?
MATTHEW RICH: This is prime time.
CHARLIE BENNETT: The first Lost in the Stacks
was a Sunday special.
Philip, you need to come on over here and get on a mic.
PHILIP BURRUS: Oh, yeah.
CHARLIE BENNETT: Yeah.
PHILIP BURRUS: I'm here.
CHARLIE BENNETT: You have mentioned several.
This is Philip Burrus, everyone, who was, I think,
really our first listener in almost every way.
PHILIP BURRUS: Perhaps.
I definitely heard the first promo.
I was sitting on 316, coming back from a client meeting.
I heard the first promo, and I said,
library show and rock and roll?
I don't know what these people are doing,
but it was something that I thought
would be interesting enough to listen to.
And I've listened to every episode since.
CHARLIE BENNETT: Yeah.
PHILIP BURRUS: I have not missed an episode.
A few I've caught on podcasts, but I have caught 99% of them
live.
CHARLIE BENNETT: You have WREK playing in your law office.
PHILIP BURRUS: All day long.
I say--
CHARLIE BENNETT: You are a special kind of lawyer.
Philip has been such a part of the show
that he is now a sponsor.
He's a shouted out sponsor for the Burrus Intellectual Property
Law Group.
But you said it there, library, rock and roll, how are they
going to make that work?
And how did we make it work?
AMEET DOSHI: How are we going to make that work?
CHARLIE BENNETT: That's your exact line from the promo.
We were terrified.
I'm looking back at the playlist.
We were terrified doing this first show.
You know how I know?
AMEET DOSHI: Because everything is about books.
CHARLIE BENNETT: Everything's about books.
There's 45 minutes of music on this.
AMEET DOSHI: Oh, yeah!
CHARLIE BENNETT: And three 5-minute interviews.
I listened to the intro of this show.
I went back all the way to the archives.
And listeners, you will not be able to find it.
And I listened.
We were terrified.
And we were recording it.
AMEET DOSHI: Yeah, yeah.
I mean--
CHARLIE BENNETT: You were trying to think of some cool way
to say, yeah, we were.
But no, we just were.
AMEET DOSHI: Yeah.
I'm starting to think that the terror has not completely
disappeared.
CHARLIE BENNETT: Ah.
AMEET DOSHI: It's just changed form slightly.
CHARLIE BENNETT: Is it because you're looking at me?
Is that-- OK, so the very first episode was called "Books
and Letters."
It was a Sunday special, 7:00 PM, January 24.
It started with us saying, "Welcome to the radio show.
It's the only library radio show with rock and roll.
OK.
What's first, Ameet?"
You said, "Let's start with some music."
And then a computerized voice shelved the set.
Do you remember that?
We used--
AMEET DOSHI: Oh, yeah.
That's right.
CHARLIE BENNETT: --text to voice.
AMEET DOSHI: Yes.
CHARLIE BENNETT: Here's the lineup.
We did Talking Heads, "The Book I Read," Tom Waits,
"Books of Moses," Belle and Sebastian,
"Wrapped Up in Books," Field Music, "Got to Write a Letter,"
Magnetic Fields, "Book of Love," Velvet Underground,
"That's the Story of My Life," Camera Obscura, "French Navy."
Ameet, would you like to tell everyone why "French Navy"
was such an important song.
AMEET DOSHI: Well, well, there's the word library in the song.
CHARLIE BENNETT: We were desperate.
[LAUGHTER]
AMEET DOSHI: And we talked about why this was on 7:00 PM
on a Sunday to try out.
But once we made the team, we were still uncertain
if this was legit.
So that's why it's at noon, the lunch hour, when
we can do our own thing.
CHARLIE BENNETT: That's right.
AMEET DOSHI: During the work week.
CHARLIE BENNETT: We were sneaking out.
AMEET DOSHI: Yeah.
CHARLIE BENNETT: "Open Book" by Cake, "The Letter" by PJ Harvey,
Dire Straits's "Romeo and Juliet," "Letter to Bowie Knife"
by Calexico, and then "The Book I Write" by Spoon.
Our guests were Amaris Gutierrez-Ray,
who is a Georgia Tech student and editor
of the literary magazine Erato.
Kirk Henderson from archives, who's still around,
and Dr. Karen Head, who is a Georgia Tech faculty
member and a poet.
And that was the show.
AMEET DOSHI: Yeah.
CHARLIE BENNETT: We did those interviews in one take.
Do you remember that?
AMEET DOSHI: I--
CHARLIE BENNETT: You don't remember.
AMEET DOSHI: I don't remember anything.
MATTHEW RICH: Were they in person?
CHARLIE BENNETT: They were.
We had them here in the production studio.
It was one take, 5 minutes.
And we were like, get, get, get off the mic.
Now, since then, since that really
clinched version of the show, we've expanded.
Just the process of doing the show
really opened up our idea of what
we could do on the radio show.
Do you have a memory of when you realized that we
could do whatever we wanted to?
AMEET DOSHI: Well, I think it actually--
it really started when we tried to do a live broadcast
at a library conference.
So I was in Baltimore on the phone.
CHARLIE BENNETT: That's right.
The tech did not quite work.
AMEET DOSHI: The tech didn't work,
but I thought if it had worked, this would have been incredible.
It kind of worked.
CHARLIE BENNETT: It kind of worked.
AMEET DOSHI: Yeah.
CHARLIE BENNETT: I remember the first time
that we had an argument with our board op
about the way we put the music sets together.
And that was like, oh, we can just
talk about whatever we want, whenever we want.
No one's going to stop us.
And that was their mistake.
I have some notes here.
Do you remember when Allie Low did her first mid-show break
and defined the 'Amen' break?
AMEET DOSHI: I do remember Allie's signature breaks--
impressive.
CHARLIE BENNETT: Long, long monologues
that she wrote out and scared us with.
And do you remember the first cold open?
AMEET DOSHI: I don't remember.
What was the first cold open?
CHARLIE BENNETT: I don't remember either.
I was hoping you did.
AMEET DOSHI: No, I mean--
no, I have no idea.
No, you have no idea.
As we were running out of time, as we always
do on Lost in the Stacks, I wanted to do some shout outs.
This show would not have lasted for 10 years
if it were not for some people who joined.
I have a list here.
Anybody know where Lizzy is?
Is Lizzy here?
Get on there.
Come on.
LIZZY ROLANDO: Oh, that's me.
CHARLIE BENNETT: Oh, it's so nice to have you back,
even if it's just for one show.
Did you get a donut?
LIZZY ROLANDO: No, not yet, but thank you for having me back.
CHARLIE BENNETT: Yeah.
We were knocking the students away from the donuts for you.
October 25, 2013 was your first show as an associate producer.
LIZZY ROLANDO: I feel old all of a sudden.
CHARLIE BENNETT: Don't you look at my head, my bald head
and say you feel old.
LIZZY ROLANDO: That's a long time ago.
CHARLIE BENNETT: Yeah.
And then Fred was music supervisor on the same show,
August 23.
No, not the same show.
Excuse me.
Fred's first listed credit as music supervisor
was August 23, 2013.
Wendy's first show as a guest producer was "The Myth
of the Archive," January 25, 2013.
We also had Amy Decker, who could not be here
today because she lives in Alabama, for some reason.
2017 to 2018, she was a host.
Marlee, your first show was in 2012.
Did you know that?
MARLEE GIVENS: I know.
I feel like the oldest one here.
CHARLIE BENNETT: And you guested six times
and have produced or co-produced another six shows in the past 10
years.
MARLEE GIVENS: Go me.
CHARLIE BENNETT: You are a member of the team.
FRED RASCOE: I think, also, I was a guest on your first year
before I actually knew I was ever
going to work at Georgia Tech.
CHARLIE BENNETT: That's true.
And you tried to get Ameet to admit
that he was in a rock and roll band at one point or another.
Yeah, it didn't work.
I also want to shout out to Melanie Kowalski of Emory, who's
produced a couple shows, and also we
have multiple guest producers from the Georgia Tech Library,
including Liz Holdsworth, Karen Viars, Amanda Pellerin,
Sonya Slutskaya.
And can anyone remember anybody else who
made a show happen before we go to the music set?
MATTHEW RICH: Listeners.
FRED RASCOE: Good call, Matthew.
Good call.
All right.
I've lost my place in the set.
OK!
This is Lost in the Stacks.
And our show today is called "10 Years"--
I can't do it as well.
Do you want to do the "10 years" quote?
CHARLIE BENNETT: 10 Years, man!
10 YEARS."
FRED RASCOE: We'll be back after a music set.
MATTHEW RICH: File this set under PN2093.C64.
KYLE TATE: Hey, guys.
Kyle Tate here.
Man, has it really been 10 years since that first episode
of Lost in the Stacks?
I can't even believe that.
Nothing lasts in student radio for 10 years.
Nothing!
I mean, students come and go.
Shows come and go.
So the fact that you guys have been
able to keep this going for a decade
is truly something special, something amazing.
And I remember those early episodes so clearly.
I think I produced every episode that first year for you guys,
and just had so much fun on Fridays with you.
And man, I wish you all the best.
And now, look at this, years later,
I ended up becoming an audiobook narrator for a living.
So quite literally, with how many books I read,
I'm lost in the stacks.
So you guys got me prepared for my next life.
Congratulations on 10 years.
I'm so glad I got to play a small role in those early months
and early episodes.
And I wish you guys all the best.
Here's to many more.
[ALTERED IMAGES, "HAPPY BIRTHDAY"] Happy bir--
[CAPTAIN BEEFHEART, "MOONLIGHT ON VERMONT"]
WENDY HAGENMAIER: That was "Moonlight on Vermont"
by Captain Beefheart, and before that, "Happy Birthday"
by Altered Images--
songs about celebrations.
[TELEVISION, "FRICTION"]
AMEET DOSHI: You're listening to Lost
in the Stacks, the research library rock and roll radio
show.
And today's show is called "10 Years!
10 Years, Man!"
Charlie, what have you learned to do since we
started this radio show?
Like, have you picked up some skills from this thing?
CHARLIE BENNETT: Oh, a couple.
Yeah, so the music that happened right before you came back
on air, that little cut from Television's "Friction"--
I've learned how to edit.
I never had any experience doing any sound editing or music
editing.
And now, I teach classes on it.
So it was intense at the beginning,
trying to make things work that we didn't really understand.
But like, oh, I want to have a bumper,
and I want to have theme music, and doing all that stuff.
But now it's sort of just regular.
AMEET DOSHI: And it's free open source software you're using.
CHARLIE BENNETT: It is, yes.
AMEET DOSHI: Shout out.
CHARLIE BENNETT: I'm not advertising anything
when I say I use Audacity.
It's the Audacity of sound.
Yeah.
What have you learned?
AMEET DOSHI: I've learned that in order
for anything to be sustainable, we've got to have a big team.
So in the first segment, we talked about the longevity.
What made this show last 10 years,
and what got us through the valley of death
is everyone in the studio.
CHARLIE BENNETT: That's true.
AMEET DOSHI: Lizzy, Marlee, Fred,
everyone that we listed, all of the students,
that's the only way we--
so that's what I learned is got to have a big team.
CHARLIE BENNETT: What's funny, though,
is that you also learned the skill of basically being a talk
show host, of being a host, because you
were saying it really clicked home for you that, oh, this
is a radio show, the first time we did a show with no guests,
where we just had a conversation.
AMEET DOSHI: Yeah, that we don't have
to have three guests for every Friday show.
CHARLIE BENNETT: We used to have three guests for every show.
I want to open this up to the rest of the studio.
Like, what have you learned working on a radio show
that I think no one here expected to ever do?
MARLEE GIVENS: Speaking extemporaneously.
Filling the dead air, and being able to say something
when Charlie looks at me expectantly.
[LAUGHTER]
WENDY HAGENMAIER: I think--
yeah, Marlee, I second that, because this
has been terrifying sometimes.
It still is.
But the need for some space that's
exploratory, or my archivist impulse
is to do the interview for hours, and ask every question,
and be ultimately thorough.
And I have to make space for exploration
and open-ended questions and piquing interest
and how that has been so nourishing for me
professionally.
CHARLIE BENNETT: Yeah, Wendy's interview scripts
are short books.
They're kind of fantastic.
They're so well researched.
She's so ready for what she wants to do.
And then sometimes I'll walk in to do an interview with her.
I'm like, who are we talking to today?
And I feel like that sometimes bums you out.
But also, I've sort of brought you
over to my side of rolling with it
and not having every single point ready to go.
FRED RASCOE: Yeah, I definitely have
learned from that when I try to prepare for my interviews.
There are times when I think, what would Wendy do?
And add a few more questions, just
to make sure that I have a few more bases covered.
But yeah, the technical stuff that you mentioned, that's
helped me, and I've actually applied that in librarianship,
like learning how to use sound and how to manipulate sound.
There's a whole information literacy
about how sound is heard and how you create it, and the content.
Marlee and I, and a few other people, worked on a chapter
about information literacy.
And we incorporated some of those audio elements.
MARLEE GIVENS: We discovered the phrase "sonic literacy."
FRED RASCOE: Sonic literacy.
MATTHEW RICH: For the Sonic Youth.
CHARLIE BENNETT: And I stole that for a webinar
that I did recently, sonic literacy.
So we're going to get that out there.
FRED RASCOE: Right.
And you and I actually presented at the Georgia Teachers
Conference about a similar topic.
LIZZY ROLANDO: I don't know that I have a wildly unique answer,
but I do feel like working on the show helped
me roll with the punches a little bit
and be comfortable with that.
I'm definitely not an improviser, by any means.
But speaking as a person who's not a librarian anymore,
it's actually been really helpful in my career
post-Georgia Tech to be really comfortable and more
able to be like, I can just speak off the top of my head,
and probably half of it's wrong, but at least something was said,
and we can fix it.
CHARLIE BENNETT: But if you keep talking
and let someone, yes, and, you can
get to the end of the segment, right?
LIZZY ROLANDO: Yeah, exactly.
AMEET DOSHI: One of the best things about this show
is learning to do a show in 2015 using
1997 equipment, because I'm thinking
about the first few times we tried to do a conference call
recording.
CHARLIE BENNETT: Yeah, I still have scars from that.
AMEET DOSHI: Yeah.
CHARLIE BENNETT: I mean, literal scars
from going underneath the board and trying to make it work.
It was awful.
Matthew, you've been board up for a while now.
MATTHEW: Yeah, yeah.
CHARLIE BENNETT: What's happened to you since you've been
working on Lost in the Stacks?
MATTHEW RICH: Well, I've been involved in WREK.
I've done other radio shows, but this was the first show
I got yelled at on.
That was a new experience for me,
and learning how to deal with that on air is a good trait.
CHARLIE BENNETT: If you really want to,
you can explain exactly why you got yelled at.
MATTHEW RICH: I mispronounced some band I don't care about.
CHARLIE BENNETT: Ooh, I really should yell again about how
it's not I-N-X-S.
FRED RASCOE: This is Lost in the Stacks.
And our show today is called--
CHARLIE BENNETT: "10 Years, Man!
10 YEARS."
FRED RASCOE: And we'll be back with more
on the left side of the hour.
[MUSIC PLAYING]
CHARLIE BENNETT: I wish I had a car horn
to really set the scene for that particular clip.
10 years!
Where have you been for 10 years, man?
OK, today's Lost in the Stacks is called "10 Years, Man!
10 YEARS."
And I would like to take a moment or two
to give a shout out to the amazing board ops
and show team members we've had over the past 10 years.
On the board and in the studio, we've
had founding producer Kyle Tate, who
you heard at the top of the last music set.
Kyle Tate is the student who stepped up and said, yeah,
I'll run the board.
I'll help you produce that.
And he was our board op for about a year.
And without Kyle, we never would have had a show.
Cody Turner, who is in the room maybe?
No?
Did he slip out?
SPEAKER 5: He slipped out.
CHARLIE BENNETT: Cody, I'm talking about you.
SPEAKER 5: He's laughing about it.
CHARLIE BENNETT: Allie Low, Perry Shuman, Mitchell Dawkins,
Avinash Sastry.
Avinash was a long-term board op,
and he used to yell at us, Matthew.
So turnabout is fair play.
Jaywalk, Jonathan Walker, Daniel Smith, Andrea Kuklenyik.
Oh, I can never say her name.
It's terrible.
Nate Brex, Maria Sotnikova, Tyler Smith, Collin Caldwell,
Victor Pino, JJ O'Brien, Felipe Archila, Ram Subramanian,
Sam Litchfield, Anthony Nguyen, another long-term op,
Abby Williams, Josh Bowling, Kate Godwin, Will Finkelstein,
Brian Dyke, and the AB button Wrangler
of the day, Matthew Rich.
Thanks to each and every one of you
WREKsters for helping us make Lost in the Stacks.
File this set and show ID under HE9711.U5A5.
JAYWALK: This is Jaywalk.
You are listening to Lost in the Stacks here on WREK Atlanta.
From beautiful sunny San Diego, congratulations on 10 years
of Lost in the Stacks.
(SINGING) Happy birthday to you, and many more.
SPEAKER 6: You're singing.
[LAUGHTER]
[MUSIC PLAYING]
AMEET DOSHI: Joni Mitchell with "You Turn Me On (I'm a Radio)."
Before that, the Illuminati Hotties with "You're Better Than
Ever."
And we kicked off the set with "Don't Be Ashamed of Your Age"
by Bob Wills and his Texas Playboys.
Those were songs about longevity, growth, and radio.
We have a question from the audience participants
on today's show.
Steven.
STEVEN: Hi.
AMEET DOSHI: What's your question?
STEVEN: So at the beginning of a music set,
there is instructions given to file this set under a name.
Would you be willing to explain what that means?
FRED RASCOE: Steven, I'm so glad you asked.
That little sequence of letters and codes,
usually, in most shows, refers to a Library of Congress call
number, usually for a particular book
that we look up in the Library of Congress,
look up a specific call number, and put it in there.
I know that you're going to ask me exactly which this book is,
but I've forgotten since I programmed it into the script
last night.
But HE9711, it either has to do with--
AMEET DOSHI: With aging, right?
FRED RASCOE: Yeah, it could be like aging,
longevity, something like that.
We take the theme of the songs and decide
what unites them, and try to pick out a book,
or in some cases, an archive record, a finding aid, something
like that.
Sometimes we even use Dewey decimal.
Now, that's what we decided to do on this show.
A lot of libraries decide to do that.
Should they do that?
Should we do that?
I don't know, but that's what we do.
CHARLIE BENNETT: I want to point out that Wendy's shrug was
eloquent and aggressive.
[LAUGHTER]
FRED RASCOE: OK.
So back to-- back to the show?
Back to the show?
Back to the show.
OK.
You're listening to Lost in the Stacks.
And today's show is called "10 Years"--
CHARLIE BENNETT: "10 Years, Man!
10 Years."
FRED RASCOE: "10 years."
Ameet, I've got a question for you.
What do you take away from Lost in the Stacks
and use in your work in the library?
AMEET DOSHI: So the best thing about the show
is we have an excuse to reach out to people that we admire
and try to get 30 minutes on the phone.
And we talked about all of the great students that
have been on part of the show, but just think about all
of the incredible librarians and archivists
and the archivist of the United States,
for example, people that are pretty high up
in the profession, or doing creative things,
they've been part of the show.
And that list would be very long.
So that's been the best part for me,
is being able to talk to people that are much better at being
a librarian than me.
I can learn something from them.
CHARLIE BENNETT: Fred, we should ask you.
What do you take from Lost in the Stacks
and apply to your professional job?
FRED RASCOE: I think along the same lines as Ameet.
It's a way to engage with what you learn about your profession.
So everyone in librarianship is always learning more
about librarianship.
But sometimes when something comes
across my radar, news feed, or something like that,
I think, oh, this would be a good opportunity
to not only learn more about it myself,
but share it with a wider audience.
And so I think that there's a very academic purpose
to this show, and I think that that kind of fills
that academic purpose.
CHARLIE BENNETT: Wendy, Lizzy, Marlee,
you all said that some version of being able to roll with it,
be extemporaneous, improv, just handle
less planning is kind of a life skill, but have you
applied that to work?
Is there something else that you pulled
from your time on Lost in the Stacks
that you can see in how you do things in the job?
WENDY HAGENMAIER: The thing that popped in my mind--
I think it's related to that-- is the Charlieism of, "Can you
unpack that for me?"
Because I think about that all the time.
Not every day, maybe almost every day.
And I think this comfort with--
or this embrace of curiosity that that question is,
and also a comfort with not knowing,
and just a delight in wanting to learn
and making space to listen to someone else who can share
or teach something.
The unpacking, I take with me.
CHARLIE BENNETT: I'm going to cut that out and put it
into my portfolio for promotion review,
because that's very good.
Marlee.
MARLEE GIVENS: Yeah, that's--
being very curious, digging, digging as deep as we can
in 8 or 9 minutes, learning to ask better questions.
Rolling with it is something that I take into the classroom
every time I go to teach something.
CHARLIE BENNETT: Oh, yeah.
MARLEE GIVENS: And I'm starting to see a lot more the interplay
of spontaneity and creativity and the chance
to come back the next Friday and to learn a little bit more
and to improve.
That's all stuff that I bring into teaching as well.
CHARLIE BENNETT: Sometimes when Fred and I are planning class
sessions, I'll end up saying, and then in the next segment,
I mean, in the next activity.
Like, I just think in terms of the radio show,
and how the flow of the project goes.
Lizzy, you ejected from librarianship.
And I think that worked out for you.
Have you-- did you take anything with you
to your employer that can stay unnamed if you wish,
or we can open it up?
LIZZY ROLANDO: Oh, I don't know that it has to be a secret.
CHARLIE BENNETT: All right.
LIZZY ROLANDO: Yeah.
So I work at Mailchimp.
CHARLIE BENNETT: That's CIA.
LIZZY ROLANDO: Yeah!
[LAUGHTER]
And one of the most directly relevant things
that I feel like I definitely learned
a lot about and improved, which was already touched on,
was just asking questions, because I went initially
into a user research role.
And so a big part of the work that I've done
is understanding what people are trying
to achieve when they use a tool like Mailchimp,
so that we can make it better.
I think the other thing that I really
liked about this sort of way of communication
and I think about a lot in my current role
now because I am a product manager,
is how do you communicate things that are maybe technical
or not the easiest things to understand in a way
that people can embrace and relate to?
And I feel like this show is a great example of that.
It's very inspiring for many reasons.
And that's one of them.
I think it's really important skill.
CHARLIE BENNETT: Very nice.
Wendy, I'm going to fill just the tiniest bit of time,
so the microphone can get over to you,
so that you can close the segment,
because we've got a script, and we're following it
all the way to the end.
WENDY HAGENMAIER: So I get to say this show title, too?
I'm excited.
This is Lost in the Stacks.
And our show today is called "10 Years, Woman!
10 YEARS."
CHARLIE BENNETT: Nicely done.
WENDY HAGENMAIER: We'll be back after a music set.
FRED RASCOE: File this set under Z682.T6.
KAREN HEAD: Hi, this is Karen.
I didn't realize until I was reading the information about
Lost in the Stacks' 10th anniversary that I was actually
on the very first show.
And I'm really honored and delighted to have
that piece of news, because Lost in the Stacks
has become such an amazing addition to our community.
Wonderful, wonderful work.
The interviews are always inspiring and unusual and
interesting.
And so happy, happy, happy 10th anniversary, Lost in the Stacks.
Here's to 10 more great years.
[MUSIC PLAYING]
[TOOTS AND THE MAYTALS, "PRESSURE DROP"] I say,
a pressure drop
Oh, pressure
Oh, yeah, pressure
FRED RASCOE: "Pressure Drop" by Toots and the Maytals.
Before that, "7 Times Around the Sun" by the Jim Jones Revue.
MATTHEW RICH: Played 1.4 times to make it
10 times around the sun.
FRED RASCOE: A special request from Philip Burrus, by the way.
See, you get math.
You get everything in Lost in the Stacks.
These were songs about getting things right, getting
things wrong, and keeping up the work just the same.
[MUSIC PLAYING]
CHARLIE BENNETT: Happy birthday, Lost in the Stacks,
the once only and now original research library rock
and roll radio show.
I think to finish off, we're going
to let Philip Burrus take us out.
He chose the Jim Jones Revue, and now you
get to put a final thought on this episode.
PHILIP BURRUS: So that Jim Jones Revue song
talked about carrying a load seven times around the sun.
You've done it 10 here.
I learned of that song on this show,
and that first promo ran, I think,
two good weeks before the first show.
So as a listener for 10 years and two weeks,
I have to say I am--
I continue to be amazed by the creativity
and ingenuity of this show.
You've taken a concept and made it really
an Atlanta institution.
I've learned about libraries, archives, NASA tapes, people
as libraries, construction projects.
And I've even got my own Spotify playlist that's nothing but Lost
in the Stacks tunes, from songs I've
heard as I've learned about libraries and other things.
So I want to say congratulations on 10 years.
I can't believe I'm that old.
And I can't believe it's lasted that long.
But you're going to make it another 10 years,
because this is a fantastic show,
and you guys do a great job.
CHARLIE BENNETT: Everyone needs to know that Philip
did that top of his head.
No notes, no preparation.
FRED RASCOE: But we'll pay him.
CHARLIE BENNETT: And now, the credits.
Let's count it off, Chuck.
CHUCK: 3, 2, 1.
[MUSIC PLAYING] 2, 3, 4
[VOCALIZING]
[INAUDIBLE]
MATTHEW RICH: Lost in the Stacks is a collaboration
between WREK Atlanta and the Georgia Tech Library,
produced by Charlie Bennett, Ameet Doshi, Wendy Hagenmaier,
and Fred Rascoe.
FRED RASCOE: Matthew was our engineer today,
and the show was brought to you in part by the library
collective, and their social and professional network, the League
of Awesome Librarians, LAL.
Find out more about them at thelibrarycollective.org.
WENDY HAGENMAIER: Legal counsel and a birthday cake
with a file in it.
We're provided by the Burrus Intellectual Property Law Group
in Atlanta, Georgia.
FRED RASCOE: Special thanks to every listener
who ever called in, wrote us a letter, a postcard, or an email,
or met us and said, oh, you do Lost in the Stacks?
I love that show.
True story-- once I met someone and [they] said, "Oh,
you do Lost in the Stacks?
I like it.
It's kind of dry sometimes."
[LAUGHTER]
CHARLIE BENNETT: And I don't know
how to follow that up, except to say, and thank you,
as always, to each and every one of you
on the other end of this mic, listening to this show.
WENDY HAGENMAIER: Find us online at lostinthestacks.org.
And you can subscribe to our podcast
pretty much anywhere you get your audio fix.
CHARLIE BENNETT: Kind of dry sometimes?
Man, Fred!
We're having a celebration.
Next week on Lost in the Stacks, just after Data Privacy Day,
a show called "#DoNoHarm."
AMEET DOSHI: It's time for our last song today.
I'm getting choked up.
We're 10 years older.
CHARLIE BENNETT: A little bit greyer.
AMEET DOSHI: Hopefully, we're 10 years wiser.
CHARLIE BENNETT: Nope.
AMEET DOSHI: A lot has changed, and a lot
will continue to change, but one thing that will stay the same
is that college radio is always going
to be left on the dial and right on the music.
CHARLIE BENNETT: Ameet, let me stop you there for a second.
How many people do you think still look at a dial
when they're listening to radio?
AMEET DOSHI: You can't-- you can do that in the Retro Tech Lab.
CHARLIE BENNETT: Oh, very nice shout out.
AMEET DOSHI: Let's close with a live version of "Left
of the Dial" by The Replacements right here on Lost
in the Stacks.
Thanks, everybody.
Have a great weekend.
We love you!
[MUSIC PLAYING]
[THE REPLACEMENTS, "LEFT OF THE DIAL"]