1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,689 The 20th century was really all about electronics and microcomputers, and 2 00:00:03,689 --> 00:00:05,909 that was the era of the electron. 3 00:00:05,909 --> 00:00:11,669 The 21st century is about photonics and photons and it's really about 4 00:00:11,700 --> 00:00:15,390 that light particle and how the light is generated, transmitted. 5 00:00:15,390 --> 00:00:16,469 So for example. 6 00:00:16,859 --> 00:00:20,060 You and I are having a conversation right now. 7 00:00:20,070 --> 00:00:23,819 We've got a camera with the lights to capture the information. 8 00:00:23,819 --> 00:00:25,809 It's over a fiber optic network. 9 00:00:26,039 --> 00:00:27,909 We then see each other on a display. 10 00:00:28,209 --> 00:00:29,859 All of that is photonics. 11 00:00:30,849 --> 00:00:31,039 Um, 12 00:00:48,599 --> 00:00:51,390 Welcome to Super Entrepreneur's Podcast. 13 00:00:51,550 --> 00:00:54,850 Today we have with us Jason Eichenholz. 14 00:00:55,350 --> 00:01:00,790 Jason is a true pioneer in the world of photonics and laser 15 00:01:00,810 --> 00:01:04,340 enabled technologies with over 85 U. 16 00:01:04,340 --> 00:01:04,560 S. 17 00:01:04,590 --> 00:01:05,820 patents to his name. 18 00:01:06,140 --> 00:01:13,040 As a serial entrepreneur, he has led companies to success, raising over a 19 00:01:13,050 --> 00:01:20,710 billion dollars in investor funding and taking them public on NASDAQ. 20 00:01:21,330 --> 00:01:27,720 His innovations have revolutionized industries like autonomous vehicles, 21 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:31,150 healthcare, and even space exploration. 22 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:35,000 With his technologies being used from the ocean depths to the 23 00:01:35,030 --> 00:01:37,430 surface of the moon and Mars. 24 00:01:37,990 --> 00:01:43,270 Jason is also a passionate advocate for autism awareness and community service. 25 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:45,490 Welcome to our show, Jason. 26 00:01:45,490 --> 00:01:46,220 It's an honor. 27 00:01:47,105 --> 00:01:47,465 Go ahead. 28 00:01:47,955 --> 00:01:49,505 The honor's all mine. 29 00:01:49,505 --> 00:01:50,205 Thank you very much. 30 00:01:50,205 --> 00:01:51,495 I really enjoy your podcast. 31 00:01:52,325 --> 00:01:53,255 Thank you so much. 32 00:01:53,255 --> 00:01:54,385 Welcome to the family. 33 00:01:54,385 --> 00:01:55,805 I'm grateful that you're part of it. 34 00:01:56,335 --> 00:02:01,515 So photonics, it's not something that most people think about or maybe even 35 00:02:01,515 --> 00:02:06,015 aware of, but it's behind a lot of the technologies that we use today. 36 00:02:06,465 --> 00:02:12,215 Could you please explain how photonics is already changing industries such 37 00:02:12,215 --> 00:02:17,735 as autonomous vehicles and health care and why it's going to be even 38 00:02:17,735 --> 00:02:22,195 more important in the future, even maybe potentially even more than a I 39 00:02:23,315 --> 00:02:26,895 yeah, or it could be an enabler for a I even better able. 40 00:02:26,945 --> 00:02:29,895 Yeah, so for products is an enabling technology should. 41 00:02:29,925 --> 00:02:32,995 So it's about light and. 42 00:02:33,335 --> 00:02:37,275 So light is the fundamental particle of light is a photon. 43 00:02:37,325 --> 00:02:40,505 This is about as geeky as I'm gonna get on the podcast with you today. 44 00:02:40,925 --> 00:02:43,115 But if you think of the 20th century was really all about 45 00:02:43,115 --> 00:02:47,375 electronics and microcomputers, and that was the era of the electron. 46 00:02:48,285 --> 00:02:54,045 The 21st century is about photonics and photons, and it's really about 47 00:02:54,075 --> 00:02:57,765 that light particle and how the light is generated, transmitted. 48 00:02:57,765 --> 00:02:58,845 So for example. 49 00:02:59,235 --> 00:03:02,435 You and I are having a conversation right now. 50 00:03:02,445 --> 00:03:06,195 We've got a camera with the lights to capture the information. 51 00:03:06,195 --> 00:03:08,185 It's over a fiber optic network. 52 00:03:08,415 --> 00:03:10,285 We then see each other on a display. 53 00:03:10,585 --> 00:03:12,235 All of that is photonics. 54 00:03:12,525 --> 00:03:17,295 Those computer chips that are inside the laptops and the cell phones are 55 00:03:17,305 --> 00:03:19,495 all made with lasers and optics. 56 00:03:19,745 --> 00:03:22,655 So it's really about making and harnessing light and the 57 00:03:22,655 --> 00:03:24,415 generation of that light to do good. 58 00:03:25,175 --> 00:03:30,085 And so everything from your solar panel to the display in your car to people 59 00:03:30,085 --> 00:03:33,495 that are using optical measurement systems, whether you're testing and 60 00:03:33,845 --> 00:03:38,275 looking under a microscope for biology, all of that is powered by essentially 61 00:03:38,275 --> 00:03:41,855 light and photonics, and that's the field that I really specialize in. 62 00:03:42,475 --> 00:03:43,785 Yeah, that's amazing. 63 00:03:43,805 --> 00:03:47,505 It was so incredible to read about you and what you have done. 64 00:03:48,135 --> 00:03:52,425 And, definitely seems like you have a super genius mind to work on 65 00:03:52,425 --> 00:03:54,575 this niche and what you're doing. 66 00:03:54,805 --> 00:04:00,625 My question is, could potentially this technology even power. 67 00:04:01,060 --> 00:04:07,160 Mobile devices and your watch, for example, stuff that you carry and 68 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:12,400 move with, could just the light and the energy around you power it so 69 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:14,030 you never need to charge anything? 70 00:04:14,050 --> 00:04:14,990 Is that a potential? 71 00:04:15,490 --> 00:04:16,080 It is. 72 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:17,030 It is a potential. 73 00:04:17,031 --> 00:04:20,770 And for example, I just got a frame TV in the room behind me here, and 74 00:04:20,770 --> 00:04:25,220 in that frame TV, on the back of the remote, they put a little solar cell. 75 00:04:26,115 --> 00:04:31,085 So now you no longer have to go find a plug in to charge a remote for the TV. 76 00:04:32,065 --> 00:04:33,015 It's just built in. 77 00:04:33,525 --> 00:04:37,845 I had a watch a few years ago that had a solar panel in it. 78 00:04:38,055 --> 00:04:38,565 Same thing. 79 00:04:38,685 --> 00:04:40,485 It would just get charged by light. 80 00:04:41,225 --> 00:04:45,335 So absolutely charging of things via solar. 81 00:04:46,325 --> 00:04:48,675 But I also have a rule of thumb when it comes to doing things 82 00:04:48,675 --> 00:04:52,705 with photonics and lasers, and the rule of thumb is if you have to do 83 00:04:52,705 --> 00:04:57,915 something with a laser or photonics, it's probably your least resort. 84 00:04:58,055 --> 00:05:00,405 Like it's the last thing to get it done. 85 00:05:00,845 --> 00:05:04,805 Whereas if you charge it via a wire or electronics or do anything 86 00:05:04,955 --> 00:05:09,655 like if you think of it this way, you can use lasers to cut metal. 87 00:05:10,425 --> 00:05:13,425 But if you cut that metal with a saw, that's mechanical. 88 00:05:13,955 --> 00:05:15,625 It'll be way more cost effective. 89 00:05:16,195 --> 00:05:20,585 But if you want to make a complex shape, or have some sort of chamfer, 90 00:05:20,825 --> 00:05:24,405 or cut through a material that you just can't do it with a normal saw, that's 91 00:05:24,405 --> 00:05:25,785 where the lasers and photonics is. 92 00:05:25,785 --> 00:05:29,265 Sort of that scalpel to get something done rather than hitting 93 00:05:29,265 --> 00:05:30,255 something with a sledgehammer. 94 00:05:31,405 --> 00:05:32,625 It's the detail work. 95 00:05:33,655 --> 00:05:37,035 It's the detail work or it's more efficient or more 96 00:05:37,035 --> 00:05:39,445 cost effective, lower scrap. 97 00:05:39,645 --> 00:05:43,575 There's got to be a reason to use photonics to do something. 98 00:05:44,735 --> 00:05:47,055 In the TV remote case, it's obvious. 99 00:05:47,315 --> 00:05:50,785 Just take your remote and turn it upside down and face the room lights 100 00:05:50,785 --> 00:05:52,365 and they're at remote quick charge. 101 00:05:52,395 --> 00:05:54,365 I think all TV remotes. 102 00:05:54,605 --> 00:05:55,385 Should have that. 103 00:05:55,385 --> 00:05:59,345 So you're not having to get that little warning, to say, plug in the detector. 104 00:05:59,345 --> 00:06:00,425 Just it does it. 105 00:06:00,825 --> 00:06:04,285 Does that make sense for a car and the amount of charge you need with a, solar 106 00:06:04,285 --> 00:06:09,035 front maybe not, but you can make that distributed and still harness solar. 107 00:06:10,935 --> 00:06:15,335 So LIDR is the key to making the self driving cars that you were 108 00:06:15,335 --> 00:06:21,820 seeing so much potential That in the future, become a normal state in 109 00:06:21,820 --> 00:06:25,720 all the cities and, just not have to even worry about getting a license. 110 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:30,260 I'm not sure how that's going to work, but that day will come, I feel. 111 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:33,260 And photonics is a big part of that. 112 00:06:33,770 --> 00:06:39,160 What are some of the toughest challenges that you would face in that type of 113 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:44,930 technology when you want to go mainstream, and how close do you think we are to 114 00:06:44,940 --> 00:06:47,450 self driving becoming a normal thing? 115 00:06:48,190 --> 00:06:51,170 Self driving is really hard, and people have been trying to do this for 116 00:06:51,410 --> 00:06:53,990 quite some time, and there's There's sort of two ways you can do that. 117 00:06:53,990 --> 00:06:56,850 You can do that over here where you can say, all right, I'm going to go take a 118 00:06:56,900 --> 00:07:03,430 and build a car with lots of sensors, lots of compute, Waymo, cruise, all 119 00:07:03,430 --> 00:07:05,650 those guys are running these robo taxis. 120 00:07:05,650 --> 00:07:08,060 And if you haven't done that, it's really cool. 121 00:07:08,460 --> 00:07:11,900 These things do really well, but apparently, one had a problem 122 00:07:11,900 --> 00:07:16,080 yesterday where there was a motorcade and the car kind of froze. 123 00:07:16,310 --> 00:07:19,440 It's really easy to make a self driving car work 99. 124 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:21,380 9 percent of that time. 125 00:07:22,310 --> 00:07:24,590 That 1 percent is the gotcha. 126 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:28,520 Those edge cases and where it makes it very difficult. 127 00:07:28,670 --> 00:07:31,830 And the edge cases could be, a ball falling. 128 00:07:32,105 --> 00:07:36,325 Out of a truck or, a child coming out between two parked cars. 129 00:07:36,645 --> 00:07:38,115 Those things are really hard. 130 00:07:38,325 --> 00:07:43,045 And what we focused on was really focusing at Luminar on that last 0. 131 00:07:43,345 --> 00:07:43,645 1%. 132 00:07:44,205 --> 00:07:45,475 That last little bit. 133 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:46,750 that were the edge cases. 134 00:07:47,610 --> 00:07:52,200 In order to make that work, you really needed to be able to have good high 135 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:54,280 definition three B sensing of the world. 136 00:07:54,500 --> 00:07:55,980 And that's where light art comes in. 137 00:07:56,450 --> 00:07:57,560 And that's where light are. 138 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:00,680 It stands for light detection and ranging where we take a pulse 139 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:04,880 of light, we send it out, we go out a couple 100 football field. 140 00:08:05,010 --> 00:08:06,480 Sorry, a couple football fields away. 141 00:08:06,490 --> 00:08:12,805 A couple 100 m like comes back and then we can go see what the makeup of The world 142 00:08:12,805 --> 00:08:19,715 is in 3D and then give the car 3D vision to then make informed decisions and how. 143 00:08:20,695 --> 00:08:22,205 And so that's the high end. 144 00:08:22,475 --> 00:08:26,515 And then there's what about for consumers and for consumers, that's 145 00:08:26,515 --> 00:08:29,145 where autonomy will be coming eventually. 146 00:08:29,735 --> 00:08:33,145 But I think if people think that their self driving car 147 00:08:33,145 --> 00:08:34,635 is going to pick them up from. 148 00:08:35,065 --> 00:08:38,495 Home drive them to work then go home and park in the garage. 149 00:08:38,735 --> 00:08:41,375 That's not going to happen The utilization rate of a typical 150 00:08:41,395 --> 00:08:42,785 car is about two percent. 151 00:08:43,475 --> 00:08:48,475 So these cars are sitting idle most of the time But I think you're going to 152 00:08:48,635 --> 00:08:53,415 begin to see autonomy and like traffic jam pilots, you know When you're stuck 153 00:08:53,415 --> 00:08:58,155 in traffic if anyone's ever been stuck on the 405 or the 101 you understand what 154 00:08:58,205 --> 00:09:04,710 that's or You're you'll see limited full autonomy coming with some of our partners 155 00:09:04,710 --> 00:09:06,310 on highways in the very near future. 156 00:09:06,860 --> 00:09:09,950 But that first option you were saying, that park the car in a garage 157 00:09:09,950 --> 00:09:14,110 and do all those wonderful things, you feel that will never happen? 158 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:17,160 It's gonna be decades. 159 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:19,910 Before, car possible. 160 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:21,200 There's possibility there. 161 00:09:21,630 --> 00:09:23,590 It's absolutely possible. 162 00:09:24,020 --> 00:09:27,420 It comes down to economics and infrastructure, right? 163 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:32,060 It really comes down to, taking your car and, summoning it to come get picked up. 164 00:09:33,250 --> 00:09:34,560 That's so cool. 165 00:09:34,830 --> 00:09:35,730 It is cool. 166 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:36,510 And it's fun. 167 00:09:37,250 --> 00:09:42,880 Or, when I, my car self park so I can pull up, the sensors look through that card 168 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:51,570 does not have a my Mercedes does not have a lighter system in it yet, but it uses 169 00:09:51,570 --> 00:09:55,900 cameras and the radar and the ultrasonic sensors and it senses the gap and it'll 170 00:09:55,900 --> 00:09:57,880 self park and it does a pretty good job. 171 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:03,270 But there's a big difference between self parking and operating on a city street 172 00:10:03,930 --> 00:10:09,490 where you've got all the construction and fire trucks and, school zones 173 00:10:09,490 --> 00:10:12,650 and all these things coming out that really make it a bit more difficult. 174 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:19,080 Okay, so let's talk about, the early cancer detection 175 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:20,720 that you're also involved in. 176 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:24,430 It's so incredible, man, like Jason, I love what you're doing. 177 00:10:24,930 --> 00:10:31,710 For new drug delivery methods it's been a revolutionary, how is the 178 00:10:32,110 --> 00:10:37,360 photonics making these medical breakthroughs possible and is there 179 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:41,810 any new development in the health care that, everyone should be excited about? 180 00:10:42,710 --> 00:10:46,900 So there, there's a lot of developments since, so as I said before, something, 181 00:10:47,650 --> 00:10:50,950 yeah it's an enabling technology. 182 00:10:50,965 --> 00:10:54,975 So whether it's drug discovery, whether it's doing something called 183 00:10:54,975 --> 00:10:58,575 spectroscopy, which is an area I spend a bunch of time on, which is 184 00:10:58,575 --> 00:11:00,045 like measuring the color of light. 185 00:11:00,070 --> 00:11:02,410 . You can see things differently than the human eye. 186 00:11:02,420 --> 00:11:07,000 Human eye is really good at seeing the rods and cones you can see in color and 187 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:10,440 you're really good at seeing changes in color between two things, but really 188 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:12,090 not good at measuring the actual color. 189 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:16,720 And so spectroscopy is a great tool to be able to measure the actual. 190 00:11:17,075 --> 00:11:19,775 It's called the spectrum of light and see the shape of the spectrum. 191 00:11:20,405 --> 00:11:22,675 And so you can do that for sorting LEDs. 192 00:11:22,695 --> 00:11:24,695 You can do that to look at you hit something. 193 00:11:24,695 --> 00:11:25,455 It glows. 194 00:11:25,475 --> 00:11:27,095 What color does it glow? 195 00:11:27,665 --> 00:11:30,645 You can use cameras and very high sensitivity cameras. 196 00:11:30,645 --> 00:11:33,475 And that's one of the projects we did for cancer detection 197 00:11:33,475 --> 00:11:35,215 where you attach a chemical. 198 00:11:35,395 --> 00:11:38,335 It picks up and attaches to the cancer molecules. 199 00:11:38,425 --> 00:11:41,975 It glows and we designed a system to measure that glow. 200 00:11:41,975 --> 00:11:44,355 And then depending on which bead glue. 201 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:45,850 Clothes, is that a word? 202 00:11:46,020 --> 00:11:46,460 Glued. 203 00:11:47,710 --> 00:11:48,530 Which one was brighter? 204 00:11:48,940 --> 00:11:51,560 You can tell what was going on. 205 00:11:52,110 --> 00:11:57,890 And I've gotten to do some really fun stuff, but from day one, when I really 206 00:11:57,890 --> 00:12:01,830 got into science and engineering, and this was in high school, when I was in 207 00:12:01,830 --> 00:12:06,300 a National Science Foundation program at Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, on the 208 00:12:06,300 --> 00:12:08,060 wall it said, Why not change the world? 209 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:12,280 And you ever see one of those things where you just stop? 210 00:12:13,015 --> 00:12:14,995 And you go, yeah, huh? 211 00:12:16,005 --> 00:12:17,125 That's my mantra. 212 00:12:17,126 --> 00:12:22,865 And so I've been fortunate that in addition to doing the work that you 213 00:12:22,865 --> 00:12:27,905 have to do when you have a job, I also, when you become an entrepreneur, with 214 00:12:27,905 --> 00:12:29,105 that comes a little bit of freedom. 215 00:12:29,175 --> 00:12:31,805 You've got the responsibility to pay the bills and pay your employees 216 00:12:31,805 --> 00:12:33,365 and make sure you can pay the rent. 217 00:12:33,655 --> 00:12:35,835 But you also have the ability to say, you know what, I'm 218 00:12:35,835 --> 00:12:36,885 going to work on that project. 219 00:12:36,975 --> 00:12:38,135 I'm going to work on that project. 220 00:12:38,295 --> 00:12:42,965 I want to do this, and so I've had the opportunity to do some pretty cool things, 221 00:12:42,985 --> 00:12:47,825 whether it's, being part of a team at Oceanoptics where we sent, spectrometers 222 00:12:47,825 --> 00:12:52,965 to Mars and measuring the rocks and the elements at Mars, to taking stuff to 223 00:12:52,965 --> 00:12:57,855 the top of Mount Everest, to the bottom of the Marianas Trench, to, the moon. 224 00:12:57,865 --> 00:12:58,395 You name it. 225 00:12:58,555 --> 00:13:00,285 So we've done some pretty cool things. 226 00:13:00,945 --> 00:13:06,325 A couple years ago, I got to participate with a team and do something called, I 227 00:13:06,325 --> 00:13:10,925 talked about spectroscopy, hyperspectral imaging to measure a rocket re entry 228 00:13:10,955 --> 00:13:17,215 coming back from space and an inflatable heat shield so we can go to Mars. 229 00:13:18,135 --> 00:13:18,465 Wow. 230 00:13:18,595 --> 00:13:19,055 It's fun. 231 00:13:20,635 --> 00:13:23,055 Elon Musk is definitely in talks with you then. 232 00:13:23,750 --> 00:13:27,150 That case, there may be another company that we are talking to on that one. 233 00:13:27,620 --> 00:13:28,150 But, yeah. 234 00:13:28,570 --> 00:13:29,660 That's a quite a lot of problem. 235 00:13:29,660 --> 00:13:31,400 How do we get to Mars? 236 00:13:31,500 --> 00:13:37,140 It, so having put technology onto a Mars rover and having stuff on Mars right now. 237 00:13:37,550 --> 00:13:37,930 Yeah. 238 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:39,210 It's pretty cool. 239 00:13:39,660 --> 00:13:39,890 But. 240 00:13:39,890 --> 00:13:40,280 Yeah. 241 00:13:40,560 --> 00:13:42,960 We're, we're sending essentially the version of a. 242 00:13:43,255 --> 00:13:44,185 A VW bug. 243 00:13:44,235 --> 00:13:47,895 Now we need to set a school bus with water and air and all those 244 00:13:47,895 --> 00:13:49,255 things for people to go there. 245 00:13:49,635 --> 00:13:54,855 We have a lot of payload that we need to deliver and the martian 246 00:13:54,925 --> 00:13:56,245 atmosphere is a little thinner. 247 00:13:56,825 --> 00:14:01,300 So to slow that rocket down as it's Coming through and in the payload 248 00:14:01,310 --> 00:14:03,450 down, we need creative solutions. 249 00:14:03,450 --> 00:14:08,070 And NASA had invented some technology a number of years ago, and we finally 250 00:14:08,070 --> 00:14:09,530 got to test it about two years ago. 251 00:14:10,060 --> 00:14:14,880 So you're flying in a NASA jet and a NASA flight suit doing spectroscopy, just 252 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:19,170 under the speed of sound and I'm in a NASA jet, and I'm there collecting spectra. 253 00:14:20,410 --> 00:14:21,840 Why not change the world indeed? 254 00:14:22,350 --> 00:14:23,300 Yeah, love it. 255 00:14:24,130 --> 00:14:25,530 Do you practice that word? 256 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:27,200 Do you ever mess it up? 257 00:14:28,150 --> 00:14:28,890 Why not change the world? 258 00:14:28,891 --> 00:14:29,252 Spectroscopy? 259 00:14:29,252 --> 00:14:31,060 No, you spent enough time 260 00:14:31,060 --> 00:14:31,734 doing spectroscopy. 261 00:14:31,734 --> 00:14:35,350 That's one of the things You got that down right. 262 00:14:35,350 --> 00:14:37,697 Yeah, that's one of the things, they don't give you a Ph. 263 00:14:37,697 --> 00:14:37,877 D. 264 00:14:37,877 --> 00:14:39,317 until you can check off at America. 265 00:14:39,717 --> 00:14:42,337 I was going to say, spectroscopy and laser. 266 00:14:42,337 --> 00:14:44,187 Yeah, that's one of the exams, 267 00:14:44,237 --> 00:14:45,497 yeah, that's one of the exams. 268 00:14:46,067 --> 00:14:46,587 Yeah. 269 00:14:46,817 --> 00:14:52,077 So how about going back to the spectrum, the light spectrum, human 270 00:14:52,077 --> 00:14:56,597 beings, like you mentioned, we were just able to see a very small area. 271 00:14:57,787 --> 00:15:05,807 Do you feel technology in this realm could open up new dimensions of knowledge 272 00:15:05,807 --> 00:15:10,167 when it comes to working with photonics? 273 00:15:10,492 --> 00:15:16,762 If we start studying the infinite light spectrum, if I'm making sense, 274 00:15:16,762 --> 00:15:18,172 because there's so much of it. 275 00:15:18,262 --> 00:15:18,492 Yeah. 276 00:15:19,192 --> 00:15:19,502 Yeah. 277 00:15:19,522 --> 00:15:25,692 So look, cameras and technology can see things that we can't see. 278 00:15:26,232 --> 00:15:28,442 I'll give you a very practical area. 279 00:15:28,787 --> 00:15:29,207 Example. 280 00:15:29,207 --> 00:15:30,617 There's a company up in Boston. 281 00:15:30,977 --> 00:15:36,207 I met this her she does some great stuff on sunscreens and next generation 282 00:15:36,207 --> 00:15:37,587 sunscreens that are much healthier. 283 00:15:37,827 --> 00:15:41,617 She also has a little camera that you can connect to your iPhone and that 284 00:15:41,617 --> 00:15:44,377 camera can see in the UV spectrum. 285 00:15:44,997 --> 00:15:46,002 So you can see, if you missed. 286 00:15:46,712 --> 00:15:51,052 A spot of sunscreen here, and you can look at that in the camera, do your 287 00:15:51,052 --> 00:15:54,622 selfie in the camera and go, all right, I need to reapply, or I miss a spot. 288 00:15:54,622 --> 00:15:59,512 Yeah, that's a great example of where the technology can do something 289 00:15:59,512 --> 00:16:00,892 that the human eye cannot see. 290 00:16:01,862 --> 00:16:03,002 You can do that. 291 00:16:03,102 --> 00:16:05,232 Look, the human brain, the human eye is great. 292 00:16:05,732 --> 00:16:10,242 You can take a pair of stereo cameras and a 15 watt computer 293 00:16:10,382 --> 00:16:11,392 and you can drive a car. 294 00:16:12,142 --> 00:16:16,372 It's possible for just cameras and a computer to do that. 295 00:16:16,522 --> 00:16:23,322 The problem is, the compute doesn't quite match up what humans can put 296 00:16:23,322 --> 00:16:26,752 into a computer in the trunk of a car for what a human brain is able 297 00:16:26,752 --> 00:16:28,312 to do with a pair of stereo cameras. 298 00:16:29,417 --> 00:16:32,397 Until that time, self driving cars are going to need 299 00:16:35,047 --> 00:16:35,867 LIDAR. 300 00:16:36,757 --> 00:16:40,427 And you think LIDAR is advancing as we speak as well? 301 00:16:41,417 --> 00:16:42,607 I'm making sure it does. 302 00:16:42,637 --> 00:16:43,847 That's my job, right? 303 00:16:44,267 --> 00:16:45,027 My job is So 304 00:16:45,027 --> 00:16:49,637 where, can you share some advancements that are coming about? 305 00:16:50,482 --> 00:16:54,682 So a lot of the early parts of LIDAR were about just figuring 306 00:16:54,682 --> 00:16:55,762 out how to make it work. 307 00:16:56,002 --> 00:16:59,992 And, spent a good part of eight, nine years doing that, getting 308 00:17:00,212 --> 00:17:03,962 over 170 patents in the company to go build that technology. 309 00:17:04,347 --> 00:17:07,747 And now we're really focusing on the commercialization, getting the cost 310 00:17:07,747 --> 00:17:11,117 down so that people can do it, getting the reliability, moving into scale 311 00:17:11,117 --> 00:17:16,417 production, and that's really the effort of the team, my team, built the tech and 312 00:17:16,777 --> 00:17:18,827 we call it the chip level up strategy. 313 00:17:19,297 --> 00:17:20,387 I don't settle. 314 00:17:20,617 --> 00:17:24,077 I refuse to settle for what, what's done. 315 00:17:24,097 --> 00:17:26,407 I, we had a saying, it was go big or go home. 316 00:17:27,797 --> 00:17:28,577 Go big or go home. 317 00:17:28,677 --> 00:17:31,777 And if you're going to fail we had a saying, run fast and break 318 00:17:31,777 --> 00:17:33,897 stuff, maybe a different last word. 319 00:17:33,897 --> 00:17:36,147 And so we would try a bunch of things. 320 00:17:36,147 --> 00:17:39,267 We found a thousand ways not to build the LIDAR system. 321 00:17:39,637 --> 00:17:42,307 Now that we figured out the right architecture, now that we've 322 00:17:42,307 --> 00:17:43,587 got the physics working, Okay. 323 00:17:44,247 --> 00:17:47,537 At the end of the day physics beats PowerPoint every single time. 324 00:17:48,177 --> 00:17:51,077 Eventually people figure out the physics is what the physics is. 325 00:17:51,507 --> 00:17:53,247 We were told time and time again. 326 00:17:53,427 --> 00:17:55,837 No, the competition said they're going to go do this. 327 00:17:56,057 --> 00:17:57,647 No, the competition said they're going to do this. 328 00:17:57,657 --> 00:18:00,067 Your solution is inelegant. 329 00:18:00,107 --> 00:18:00,727 You can't do it. 330 00:18:00,727 --> 00:18:01,967 It's not going to be cost effective. 331 00:18:02,407 --> 00:18:03,557 It, the physics doesn't work. 332 00:18:03,557 --> 00:18:06,557 We're like, physics that you're proposing doesn't work. 333 00:18:06,657 --> 00:18:07,507 Physics rules. 334 00:18:08,687 --> 00:18:10,537 So now we're moving into production. 335 00:18:10,647 --> 00:18:14,377 Now at the end of the year, I get to pick up my Volvo EX90. 336 00:18:15,192 --> 00:18:17,942 And my LIDAR system is going to be in the roof of that car. 337 00:18:18,322 --> 00:18:19,302 Oh, love it. 338 00:18:19,832 --> 00:18:23,902 That is going to be the sort of pinnacle for me. 339 00:18:24,572 --> 00:18:26,452 I've always wanted, I've always been a car guy. 340 00:18:26,462 --> 00:18:27,702 I grew up in a garage. 341 00:18:28,262 --> 00:18:34,562 My first job in high school was a petroleum distribution engineer. 342 00:18:36,142 --> 00:18:37,022 I pumped gas. 343 00:18:37,572 --> 00:18:42,932 I, to go from pumping gas, yeah, now I, now we're going to see stuff going into 344 00:18:42,972 --> 00:18:48,642 production and picking up technology in a car dealership that took radical 345 00:18:48,642 --> 00:18:53,132 thinking, bold thinking, how to, how we could do that and that technology 346 00:18:53,132 --> 00:18:57,027 is now going into production and it's only getting smaller and more exciting. 347 00:18:59,117 --> 00:19:04,647 You build something is going to be around for, forever or even advance 348 00:19:04,647 --> 00:19:08,717 from there because definitely you created a company around it. 349 00:19:08,777 --> 00:19:09,197 Correct. 350 00:19:10,117 --> 00:19:13,347 I created a company, but more importantly, we created a team 351 00:19:14,057 --> 00:19:16,247 and the team is what got us there. 352 00:19:16,772 --> 00:19:17,552 Not the company. 353 00:19:17,582 --> 00:19:21,192 The company was a mechanism to unlock the potential of the team. 354 00:19:22,112 --> 00:19:22,602 Yeah. 355 00:19:23,582 --> 00:19:26,782 And I can tell you're good at unlocking potential in the human being. 356 00:19:26,782 --> 00:19:32,472 And that's I can relate and appreciate the mindset that you have. 357 00:19:32,472 --> 00:19:36,402 And we need more and more people to think this way. 358 00:19:36,402 --> 00:19:39,462 Not look at what could go wrong and what's, obviously you want to 359 00:19:39,472 --> 00:19:43,272 be aware of those things, but your energy is going into what's possible. 360 00:19:43,732 --> 00:19:45,312 And that's how you. 361 00:19:45,487 --> 00:19:52,677 Create, you fix more problems in the universe and we advance so much further. 362 00:19:53,027 --> 00:19:57,107 Hopefully we can duplicate and multiply you in the world 363 00:19:57,557 --> 00:19:58,777 because we need more of you. 364 00:20:01,542 --> 00:20:02,842 Yeah, there's a lot. 365 00:20:02,842 --> 00:20:07,452 And starting being an entrepreneur was a mechanism to do more. 366 00:20:07,722 --> 00:20:11,122 And that's where I'm really excited about what I call my chapter three. 367 00:20:11,372 --> 00:20:15,902 My chapter one was that schooling and that arduous PhD journey. 368 00:20:16,977 --> 00:20:19,507 Chapter two is what I call my professional career. 369 00:20:19,997 --> 00:20:25,337 I, so he said I'm out of professional goals. 370 00:20:25,737 --> 00:20:27,577 What do you do when you build a company? 371 00:20:27,577 --> 00:20:31,787 You take a company public goes up to NASDAQ that, we're going into production. 372 00:20:31,797 --> 00:20:33,907 Like I don't have any professional goals left. 373 00:20:34,547 --> 00:20:36,387 Now, do I still have entrepreneurship in me? 374 00:20:36,407 --> 00:20:41,647 Absolutely, but what I'm doing is focusing on moving in my chapter three from 375 00:20:41,647 --> 00:20:43,987 reputation building to legacy building. 376 00:20:45,737 --> 00:20:51,397 I want to unlock that hidden potential, and I'm applying that with my foundation, 377 00:20:51,407 --> 00:20:55,707 Jonathan's Landing, and the community I'm building for adults with autism to 378 00:20:55,707 --> 00:21:01,287 enable people to live to their highest potential and solve for a tidal wave. 379 00:21:01,637 --> 00:21:04,337 of kids who are aging out of the system with autism. 380 00:21:04,567 --> 00:21:07,297 It's personal for me because I have a son with autism. 381 00:21:09,027 --> 00:21:12,827 No, because when I saw your information, your bio and it mentioned 382 00:21:12,827 --> 00:21:17,917 that and I felt a connection to you even when I didn't meet you yet. 383 00:21:17,917 --> 00:21:19,887 And I'm grateful to have you on the show. 384 00:21:20,257 --> 00:21:26,747 As a kid, my parents used to give me, my brothers hand me down toys. 385 00:21:27,297 --> 00:21:31,357 The reason being is that I would Take apart anything they would give me. 386 00:21:31,417 --> 00:21:33,157 I would just want to see how it operated. 387 00:21:33,167 --> 00:21:34,687 What was happening inside. 388 00:21:35,317 --> 00:21:42,367 And as I got older, my focus shifted on, how to make sure others like me. 389 00:21:42,877 --> 00:21:50,227 And that was my my Predominant attention is doing things that others would be 390 00:21:50,227 --> 00:21:54,187 approved, others would approve and I would be liked, for example, in 391 00:21:54,187 --> 00:21:56,067 school, growing up, different areas. 392 00:21:56,467 --> 00:21:58,617 And that progressed into, as an adult. 393 00:21:59,047 --> 00:22:04,937 And in 2018, I was diagnosed with autism as well on the spectrum. 394 00:22:05,757 --> 00:22:09,403 And you mentioned that you saw my post about disclosing it because 395 00:22:09,403 --> 00:22:11,267 since then I didn't mention it. 396 00:22:11,807 --> 00:22:12,847 I was, I didn't know. 397 00:22:12,857 --> 00:22:18,147 I was confused, I didn't want to bring it out, but I just, I have a, I have this 398 00:22:18,177 --> 00:22:23,387 guidance that I need to somehow, whatever I've been through, wherever I'm going, 399 00:22:23,487 --> 00:22:29,047 it is a main component, a main, a part. 400 00:22:29,467 --> 00:22:33,837 Of what I'm trying to do in the world, and that's why I came out with it when 401 00:22:33,837 --> 00:22:38,167 I met you, and it just happened that way around the same time I was thinking 402 00:22:38,277 --> 00:22:43,857 about this disclosure and the fact that passion I have is to bring that 403 00:22:44,307 --> 00:22:47,097 empowerment to the communities of. 404 00:22:47,437 --> 00:22:52,107 People on spectrum, instead of trying to point at all that is going wrong, bring 405 00:22:52,107 --> 00:22:57,837 the attention to what's going right and amplify that power within people that are 406 00:22:57,837 --> 00:23:04,907 on the spectrum because they have a very special gifts, I would say, or things that 407 00:23:04,907 --> 00:23:10,822 they can bring to the world that I want them to bring out through This awareness 408 00:23:10,822 --> 00:23:15,362 and through this confidence that they can create first is putting themselves in that 409 00:23:15,362 --> 00:23:20,072 kind of environment and then I met you and I said what and I saw that I said I got 410 00:23:20,072 --> 00:23:24,732 to book him in right away and that's how we're on the show now and talking about 411 00:23:24,732 --> 00:23:28,912 this stuff and your organization and what you're doing specifically for adults. 412 00:23:28,962 --> 00:23:31,122 That's my attention as well. 413 00:23:31,122 --> 00:23:37,172 What I want to do is for late real life late realizers because they had a lot 414 00:23:37,172 --> 00:23:38,662 of stuff They went through growing up. 415 00:23:38,672 --> 00:23:43,352 They didn't realize what it was, but it becomes clear when they find out. 416 00:23:43,352 --> 00:23:44,432 But what do they do with that? 417 00:23:44,432 --> 00:23:47,562 Did they take that as a victim mindset, for example, or they're 418 00:23:47,632 --> 00:23:50,852 taking that somewhere in the direction of shifting their self 419 00:23:50,892 --> 00:23:53,472 image to make something big happen. 420 00:23:55,947 --> 00:23:58,887 So you have an opportunity, right? 421 00:23:58,887 --> 00:24:03,747 So I had the, you have this platform, you have these followers over a 422 00:24:03,747 --> 00:24:11,107 million downloads, you can become a role model or a catalyst for change 423 00:24:11,107 --> 00:24:15,087 and good for adults with autism that are in the same situation you are. 424 00:24:15,377 --> 00:24:18,397 But maybe you don't have the courage to announce what you did. 425 00:24:19,257 --> 00:24:23,547 And so what I love doing is leveraging the community, thinking in that open 426 00:24:23,547 --> 00:24:26,017 innovation mindset and let leverage right. 427 00:24:26,057 --> 00:24:27,227 I was an entrepreneur. 428 00:24:27,957 --> 00:24:31,607 Now, one of my motivations to create the self driving car was to have that safe, 429 00:24:31,617 --> 00:24:33,977 ubiquitous transportation for my son. 430 00:24:34,367 --> 00:24:38,097 So it was a little bit personal that I was doing that, but now I've got an 431 00:24:38,227 --> 00:24:43,697 opportunity as a successful entrepreneur to that doesn't need to work anymore. 432 00:24:44,177 --> 00:24:47,747 But choosing to make the world a better place, why not change the 433 00:24:47,797 --> 00:24:53,187 world, and apply that as being an advocate for people who can't advocate 434 00:24:53,187 --> 00:24:58,097 for themselves, or need help to go do and that's where our model comes 435 00:24:58,187 --> 00:25:00,977 together, and I need people like you. 436 00:25:01,472 --> 00:25:05,732 To also be advocates, to be out there as role models to go, okay, 437 00:25:06,142 --> 00:25:09,682 if he can do this and he can have a podcast have all these followers and 438 00:25:09,682 --> 00:25:12,502 he, you can coach and inspire others. 439 00:25:13,162 --> 00:25:17,642 Imagine if you apply that a little bit to the things that are passionate 440 00:25:17,702 --> 00:25:18,752 and you're passionate about. 441 00:25:18,972 --> 00:25:20,982 And I think that's the, by the way, I think that's the number 442 00:25:20,992 --> 00:25:23,442 one success in an entrepreneur. 443 00:25:24,042 --> 00:25:25,062 You've got to have that passion. 444 00:25:25,372 --> 00:25:26,142 You've got to have that belief. 445 00:25:27,292 --> 00:25:29,482 And I want to unlock potential. 446 00:25:29,982 --> 00:25:34,162 In all human beings, but I want to unlock potential, especially in adults with 447 00:25:34,172 --> 00:25:39,872 autism, you mentioned, that's my focus is on the adults, the kids get the focus, 448 00:25:39,872 --> 00:25:46,842 and then mobilize people like you that are the change makers to come together 449 00:25:46,842 --> 00:25:48,832 and say, let's go work on something big. 450 00:25:50,042 --> 00:25:51,202 Yeah, this is amazing. 451 00:25:51,292 --> 00:25:54,042 And I would love to have another call with you, just me and you, 452 00:25:54,042 --> 00:25:58,452 if you're interested to discuss this because we met for a reason. 453 00:25:58,462 --> 00:25:59,852 It was sorry. 454 00:26:00,682 --> 00:26:01,402 AB first. 455 00:26:01,402 --> 00:26:02,092 Absolutely. 456 00:26:02,212 --> 00:26:04,582 And yeah, so I, I call it divine intervention. 457 00:26:04,642 --> 00:26:07,492 I the, yeah, not call it the same 458 00:26:07,492 --> 00:26:07,822 thing. 459 00:26:08,122 --> 00:26:13,577 The way I describe and the way I describe my life now post, post you know, 460 00:26:13,577 --> 00:26:17,297 success with entrepreneurship as I'm in that transition in my chapter three. 461 00:26:18,677 --> 00:26:20,827 is my favorite word is surreal. 462 00:26:22,172 --> 00:26:26,677 Tell me that you and I meeting this thing going out isn't surreal. 463 00:26:29,167 --> 00:26:29,617 110%. 464 00:26:30,137 --> 00:26:32,027 It's like you can't explain it. 465 00:26:32,067 --> 00:26:37,627 When I saw your message come in and I looked at your bio, it was for me. 466 00:26:37,637 --> 00:26:43,987 It's at a very it's becoming at a normalcy, a Norman normal. 467 00:26:44,247 --> 00:26:50,187 State now the more I spend time within all human beings have a belief 468 00:26:50,187 --> 00:26:52,287 system in their subconscious mind. 469 00:26:52,297 --> 00:26:54,367 Have a self image of how they see themselves. 470 00:26:54,367 --> 00:26:58,587 And that self image keeps them in that ceiling their whole life. 471 00:26:58,977 --> 00:27:00,557 So I help with that. 472 00:27:00,557 --> 00:27:02,437 I feel everyone is born super. 473 00:27:02,797 --> 00:27:06,717 I feel like we were very special in, in all of the creations. 474 00:27:07,167 --> 00:27:12,057 And, but this brought another angle is I, if I struggled my whole life. 475 00:27:12,322 --> 00:27:17,252 As much as I struggled, how many people have struggled and now they're realizing 476 00:27:17,672 --> 00:27:21,012 the condition, even if they didn't realize they can, if they have this struggle of 477 00:27:21,042 --> 00:27:24,042 the hearing the story and you're saying, wait a minute, I can relate to this, 478 00:27:24,392 --> 00:27:29,162 let me get this checked, not take that as something that is an issue, but take 479 00:27:29,162 --> 00:27:30,947 that as a stepping stone to do better. 480 00:27:31,177 --> 00:27:32,377 Big major things. 481 00:27:32,717 --> 00:27:33,727 I'd really like that. 482 00:27:33,777 --> 00:27:35,032 Cause I, yeah. 483 00:27:36,072 --> 00:27:36,562 It's surreal. 484 00:27:36,592 --> 00:27:37,622 It's just surreal, right? 485 00:27:37,922 --> 00:27:41,472 And I just wake up every day and I go, okay, yeah, that, did that just happen? 486 00:27:41,472 --> 00:27:42,112 Yeah, it did. 487 00:27:42,172 --> 00:27:44,692 All right, let's go let's go change the world. 488 00:27:44,692 --> 00:27:49,752 And so that's what I'm really passionate about doing is, and we're doing that in a 489 00:27:49,752 --> 00:27:51,842 social enterprise at Jonathan's Landing. 490 00:27:52,112 --> 00:27:56,172 We're going to create a place for 500 residents to live and we're 491 00:27:56,182 --> 00:27:57,342 going to create 5, 000 jobs. 492 00:27:57,892 --> 00:27:58,582 It's surreal. 493 00:27:59,532 --> 00:28:00,222 It's surreal. 494 00:28:00,262 --> 00:28:03,342 It's just it gives me goosebumps and stuff when it happens. 495 00:28:03,342 --> 00:28:06,142 And it's it's we're meant to meet. 496 00:28:06,192 --> 00:28:07,232 And here we are. 497 00:28:07,232 --> 00:28:10,862 And I'm grateful for all the information you shared definitely is 498 00:28:10,862 --> 00:28:14,692 going to make an impact on people's lives because this is a topic that 499 00:28:15,152 --> 00:28:17,712 You know, might not be both topics. 500 00:28:17,712 --> 00:28:19,112 And what we've been talking about. 501 00:28:19,112 --> 00:28:22,482 Yeah, they're both important topics and we brought it in one episode. 502 00:28:22,482 --> 00:28:24,782 I'm sure it's going to make a lot of impact. 503 00:28:25,192 --> 00:28:26,572 I appreciate your time. 504 00:28:26,842 --> 00:28:29,492 I'm looking forward to building a long term relationship 505 00:28:29,492 --> 00:28:31,112 I appreciate the opportunity. 506 00:28:31,112 --> 00:28:34,492 And together, once I got to change the world once with. 507 00:28:34,627 --> 00:28:38,827 Self driving cars and yeah, we'll save a hundred million lives and give back 508 00:28:39,067 --> 00:28:42,767 people a hundred trillion hours of their time over the next hundred years. 509 00:28:42,977 --> 00:28:46,347 But now together, we're going to work together and we're going 510 00:28:46,347 --> 00:28:49,197 to create a life of dignity and purpose for adults with autism. 511 00:28:49,467 --> 00:28:50,257 Let's go do this. 512 00:28:50,287 --> 00:28:50,717 Love it. 513 00:28:51,227 --> 00:28:52,287 Thank you so much. 514 00:28:52,487 --> 00:28:54,367 I'm looking so forward to this.