1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:03,803 It's hard. 2 00:00:05,572 --> 00:00:08,108 Enough. 3 00:00:08,108 --> 00:00:09,242 They all want a gig for us. 4 00:00:09,242 --> 00:00:10,877 I am Frank, and I'm here with Jonathan. 5 00:00:10,877 --> 00:00:11,845 Hey. Hey, yo. Here. 6 00:00:11,845 --> 00:00:12,879 We got Tyler. 7 00:00:12,879 --> 00:00:13,980 Hey, what's up guys? 8 00:00:13,980 --> 00:00:16,483 And we are the capital creative showcase. 9 00:00:16,483 --> 00:00:19,152 we're going to be talking with a lot of video game developers today, 10 00:00:19,152 --> 00:00:21,087 checking out all the new games that are out here. 11 00:00:21,087 --> 00:00:23,523 These are local devs to the Sacramento area. 12 00:00:23,523 --> 00:00:25,892 It's a wonderful event. We also have Smash Brothers. 13 00:00:25,892 --> 00:00:28,695 Yeah, that was retro Systems over there playing Super Nintendo, 14 00:00:28,695 --> 00:00:30,530 Super Mario Brothers and whatnot. 15 00:00:30,530 --> 00:00:31,498 it should be a really good event. 16 00:00:31,498 --> 00:00:32,932 What do you guys think about it so far? 17 00:00:32,932 --> 00:00:33,800 Excited? Yeah. 18 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:35,535 It's, going to be a lot of fun. 19 00:00:35,535 --> 00:00:36,703 It's a great set up here. 20 00:00:36,703 --> 00:00:37,837 We like being out here 21 00:00:37,837 --> 00:00:41,641 and just kind of enjoying the time and meeting all these new developers 22 00:00:41,641 --> 00:00:43,376 and seeing all these new games coming across. 23 00:00:43,376 --> 00:00:45,812 Yeah, there's been some really big highlights. 24 00:00:45,812 --> 00:00:48,782 Asia games. I believe they're new this year. 25 00:00:48,915 --> 00:00:50,016 you guys got to check out their game. 26 00:00:50,016 --> 00:00:53,019 It is one of those games, you know, is going to be selling well on steam. 27 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:55,321 I look forward to to take a look at it and, 28 00:00:55,321 --> 00:00:56,623 hopefully we can chat with the later on. 29 00:00:56,623 --> 00:00:58,558 I'm looking forward just to see all the games. Yeah. 30 00:00:58,558 --> 00:01:01,161 I mean everything here is so unique and so different. 31 00:01:01,161 --> 00:01:03,797 I mean, it's it's just cool to see like more 32 00:01:03,797 --> 00:01:06,800 and more people here as we, you know, as this scene gets bigger. 33 00:01:06,900 --> 00:01:07,934 Yeah. 34 00:01:07,934 --> 00:01:10,003 What do you think gentlemen and highlights so far? 35 00:01:10,003 --> 00:01:12,472 I haven't really had a chance to go around and check out any of the games, though. 36 00:01:12,472 --> 00:01:16,443 I know last year that was a lot of fun seeing the unique games 37 00:01:16,443 --> 00:01:17,710 that people are making. 38 00:01:17,710 --> 00:01:19,813 so I look forward to us being able to take a break at some point. 39 00:01:19,813 --> 00:01:21,848 In order to set. You've been setting up for two hours? 40 00:01:21,848 --> 00:01:23,550 Yeah, we're we're a little we're a little pooped. 41 00:01:23,550 --> 00:01:25,051 It's also it's also cool, though, 42 00:01:25,051 --> 00:01:27,087 that they're going to do like a People's Choice award. Yeah. 43 00:01:27,087 --> 00:01:30,356 So there's like an area that you can scan like the QR code and then like 44 00:01:30,356 --> 00:01:33,359 people can vote for their favorite game and then they get an award at the end. 45 00:01:33,393 --> 00:01:36,963 They also have it where the developers of the games vote 46 00:01:36,963 --> 00:01:40,033 for the game that they like the most, and they have a Developers Choice award. 47 00:01:40,033 --> 00:01:41,568 So I think that's a cool twist that they have. 48 00:01:41,568 --> 00:01:43,937 They've added. It really is. And we're going to submit our vote. 49 00:01:43,937 --> 00:01:46,039 We're going to talk about it before we do it though, 50 00:01:46,039 --> 00:01:48,708 and give our reasons to kind of explain what our votes are for. 51 00:01:48,708 --> 00:01:51,478 but I do want to clarify, all the games are dope. 52 00:01:51,478 --> 00:01:53,813 It's just so we're not picking favorites, but we're literally picking. 53 00:01:53,813 --> 00:01:54,681 Favorite picking favorite. 54 00:01:56,049 --> 00:01:57,617 I mean, I love these conventions. 55 00:01:57,617 --> 00:01:58,718 This is one of our favorites. 56 00:01:58,718 --> 00:02:01,754 It's a it's, it may be a smaller one, but the fandom is so dedicated. 57 00:02:02,222 --> 00:02:03,690 But they they wear me out. 58 00:02:03,690 --> 00:02:05,625 Yeah, they they do. 59 00:02:05,625 --> 00:02:07,093 I remember last year Kyle came out. 60 00:02:07,093 --> 00:02:08,461 We had we had like throughout last year. 61 00:02:08,461 --> 00:02:11,464 It was it was frankly a little bit too many people for being honest. 62 00:02:11,798 --> 00:02:13,166 we're all bumping heads back here. 63 00:02:13,166 --> 00:02:16,169 All of us try to shuffle back and forth, but was we had Kyle come out 64 00:02:16,236 --> 00:02:19,606 and then we're like, oh, afterwards we'll go to the bars, we'll hang out all day. 65 00:02:19,606 --> 00:02:20,707 It'll be great. 66 00:02:20,707 --> 00:02:22,709 Me and him both. Thank God he was on board with that. 67 00:02:22,709 --> 00:02:24,511 We were just like, let's go watch the Kings game at my house. 68 00:02:25,945 --> 00:02:28,982 All right, let's get back to some beers and, like, doze off on the couch. 69 00:02:29,015 --> 00:02:30,383 Yeah, it was perfect. 70 00:02:30,383 --> 00:02:30,650 Yeah. 71 00:02:30,650 --> 00:02:31,351 Oh, man. 72 00:02:31,351 --> 00:02:34,187 okay, so we have a lot to do today. 73 00:02:34,187 --> 00:02:35,955 We have a lot of interviews, a lot of checking out things. 74 00:02:35,955 --> 00:02:37,123 We'll discuss a lot more going on. 75 00:02:37,123 --> 00:02:39,425 We even have a regular episode planned. 76 00:02:39,425 --> 00:02:41,127 We're going to go over the news and talk about a lot of things 77 00:02:41,127 --> 00:02:42,929 that are coming up in reviews and stuff. 78 00:02:42,929 --> 00:02:44,430 So we'll see you guys soon. 79 00:02:44,430 --> 00:02:47,400 And thanks for hanging with us. 80 00:02:49,903 --> 00:02:50,403 Welcome back. 81 00:02:50,403 --> 00:02:51,504 Everybody get Freaks network. 82 00:02:51,504 --> 00:02:53,940 We're here at the Capital City Showcase. 83 00:02:53,940 --> 00:02:56,009 I'm Tyler from who's got next game. 84 00:02:56,009 --> 00:02:58,244 I got some great people we're doing interviews with today. 85 00:02:58,244 --> 00:03:01,080 Go ahead and introduce yourself. Guys, come say hi to the community. 86 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:01,981 Let us know what you're all about. 87 00:03:01,981 --> 00:03:02,882 Absolutely. Hi. 88 00:03:02,882 --> 00:03:05,852 Maurice Jackson, one of the owners of the Holland e-Sports team. 89 00:03:05,852 --> 00:03:09,255 I have my partner, Elizabeth, who's also a partner within e-sports as well. 90 00:03:09,722 --> 00:03:13,393 So you guys are an esports training facility, which is so cool 91 00:03:13,393 --> 00:03:17,430 to hear that esports has revolutionized and come up to the point where we can 92 00:03:17,430 --> 00:03:21,000 now have this stuff for communities of all different ages. 93 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:24,003 So I kind of want to talk about like what your guys's goal is 94 00:03:24,003 --> 00:03:27,006 and where you guys are at in regards to, you know, what you're doing. 95 00:03:27,140 --> 00:03:28,441 Yeah, yeah. 96 00:03:28,441 --> 00:03:32,378 So, so our location, our company is called the Holland Esports Training. 97 00:03:32,612 --> 00:03:35,682 We focus on training kids from the age of 6 to 17. 98 00:03:35,882 --> 00:03:37,917 And to your point, we're really looking to find a way 99 00:03:37,917 --> 00:03:40,753 to introduce a youth into this world of e-sports. 100 00:03:40,753 --> 00:03:43,756 I know before when gamers got into esports, 101 00:03:43,756 --> 00:03:45,491 it was always a battle in their journey 102 00:03:45,491 --> 00:03:47,560 to for them to get to that professional level, 103 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:48,061 getting people 104 00:03:48,061 --> 00:03:51,664 to understand the values, the premises, why is such a passion of theirs? 105 00:03:51,898 --> 00:03:55,301 We're really looking to close that gap, looking to use legacy players 106 00:03:55,301 --> 00:03:58,304 to help our kids and youth understand the value of e-sports, 107 00:03:58,471 --> 00:04:02,308 but then also showing the kids how to learn from their past experiences 108 00:04:02,308 --> 00:04:05,178 to help accelerate their growth in their competition play. 109 00:04:05,178 --> 00:04:08,681 But everything we do is fully curated by our by our community. 110 00:04:09,015 --> 00:04:11,851 We make certain that our kids are not only introduced 111 00:04:11,851 --> 00:04:15,154 to the games of their choice, but we also help them provide assessments. 112 00:04:15,755 --> 00:04:18,758 We give them coaching, we help place them on teams, 113 00:04:18,825 --> 00:04:21,961 and we also have our own self curated league to help them 114 00:04:21,961 --> 00:04:25,365 graduate naturally into the levels of competitive play. 115 00:04:25,665 --> 00:04:28,201 And there's a variety of games too, that you guys utilize. 116 00:04:28,201 --> 00:04:30,670 It's not just like one set style of game. 117 00:04:30,670 --> 00:04:33,006 You guys are open and diverse with a bunch of different stops. 118 00:04:33,006 --> 00:04:35,008 I mean, you've gone over the list of stuff 119 00:04:35,008 --> 00:04:37,343 and I know that you guys are continuously adding stuff. 120 00:04:37,343 --> 00:04:38,811 So it's so cool to have. 121 00:04:38,811 --> 00:04:40,980 And I know that you guys have multiple locations as well. 122 00:04:40,980 --> 00:04:41,581 That's correct. 123 00:04:41,581 --> 00:04:44,050 Yeah. So right now we have three locations. 124 00:04:44,050 --> 00:04:45,251 We have one in Folsom. 125 00:04:45,251 --> 00:04:48,154 We have one in Las Vegas, and our third one is in North Carolina. 126 00:04:48,154 --> 00:04:51,157 we compete on Overwatch, League of 127 00:04:51,157 --> 00:04:55,028 Legends, Fortnite, apex. got 128 00:04:56,396 --> 00:04:57,397 Minecraft. 129 00:04:57,397 --> 00:04:59,732 Yeah. And then, Rocket League. Yeah, yeah. 130 00:04:59,732 --> 00:05:02,268 So we and then we're also always introducing new games. 131 00:05:02,268 --> 00:05:07,106 Like just in the next month, we're going to be launching our, our game and Siege. 132 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:09,342 It's gonna be training on siege as well. Yeah. 133 00:05:09,342 --> 00:05:12,111 but then, was talking to you about even Tetris. 134 00:05:12,111 --> 00:05:13,680 Yeah. Bringing that into the fold. 135 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:15,648 Yeah. We're gonna mix in a couple of different things. 136 00:05:15,648 --> 00:05:17,817 And we've talked a little bit about, you know, like wanting 137 00:05:17,817 --> 00:05:19,986 to bring in different styles of games 138 00:05:19,986 --> 00:05:21,988 because you've talked about the team aspects of games. 139 00:05:21,988 --> 00:05:24,791 But then we also talked a little bit before, before we started, 140 00:05:24,791 --> 00:05:27,960 the recording was more of kind of the single single player aspect 141 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:30,963 of, of the games and, and kind of working through those. 142 00:05:30,963 --> 00:05:32,732 So it's interesting to see that 143 00:05:32,732 --> 00:05:36,903 you guys are taking this dynamic and just running with it and getting youth 144 00:05:36,903 --> 00:05:40,273 involved in that kind of stuff, and I love that about you guys and stuff. 145 00:05:40,773 --> 00:05:43,476 So what what inspired the whole thing? 146 00:05:43,476 --> 00:05:44,577 Where did it start out? 147 00:05:44,577 --> 00:05:48,781 Well, for us, it started with the fact that as we were watching e-sports 148 00:05:48,781 --> 00:05:50,383 and we were seeing that e-sports 149 00:05:50,383 --> 00:05:54,287 is now being offered as a college scholarships to multiple schools. 150 00:05:54,287 --> 00:05:59,192 we also saw that, competitive landscape was growing across the world. 151 00:05:59,425 --> 00:06:02,829 I mean, they just announced the first esports World Cup and Saudi Arabia, 152 00:06:03,196 --> 00:06:05,565 and then we started to look at, okay, where do where do people go 153 00:06:05,565 --> 00:06:06,699 grow and learn. 154 00:06:06,699 --> 00:06:08,868 Obviously, you have land centers where guys can, 155 00:06:08,868 --> 00:06:11,304 you know, guys and girls can code, learn and playing. 156 00:06:11,304 --> 00:06:13,373 But then we started thinking about where does the youth go? 157 00:06:13,373 --> 00:06:16,576 Where does a youth go to be introduced and learn how to grow and training? 158 00:06:16,576 --> 00:06:20,613 This I mean, baseball has Little League, football has Pop Warner, 159 00:06:20,813 --> 00:06:24,951 but esports professionals had really nothing before this, right? 160 00:06:24,951 --> 00:06:29,055 So we said, okay, why not build build a bridge and fill that gap? 161 00:06:29,055 --> 00:06:29,322 Yeah. 162 00:06:29,322 --> 00:06:33,359 And now have a place where kids can come in and can learn from professionals. 163 00:06:33,359 --> 00:06:38,698 learn the artistry of e-sports, learn how to compete the right way in these games. 164 00:06:38,698 --> 00:06:41,501 But learning community instead of learning in isolation. 165 00:06:41,501 --> 00:06:45,238 And then we've also saw and again, another countries that, they're these, 166 00:06:45,271 --> 00:06:49,876 these, e-sports are these internet cafes that are in some other countries, 167 00:06:49,876 --> 00:06:52,879 a lot of these, a lot of those people who are in those internet cafes, 168 00:06:53,045 --> 00:06:56,249 that's where their teams were formed, that's where their teams graduated, 169 00:06:56,249 --> 00:06:59,252 and that's where these teams are competing on these world stage. 170 00:06:59,285 --> 00:07:02,622 But then if you look at the states, we didn't see a lot of that happening here. 171 00:07:02,855 --> 00:07:03,856 So that's where we thought 172 00:07:03,856 --> 00:07:06,426 it was critical for us to build that bridge and say, okay, 173 00:07:06,426 --> 00:07:10,763 where do we bring the youth in to come together to build this level of experience 174 00:07:10,963 --> 00:07:14,767 and to do it in community and to do it with socializing and doing it 175 00:07:14,767 --> 00:07:18,070 while learning some of the traditional landscapes of modern day sports. 176 00:07:18,070 --> 00:07:22,141 Yeah, like communication, social skills, coaching, 177 00:07:22,141 --> 00:07:25,344 mentorship, all the things that we got from traditional sports teams. 178 00:07:25,344 --> 00:07:25,912 Yeah. 179 00:07:25,912 --> 00:07:28,714 No, that's so cool to think about too, because we even talked about how, 180 00:07:28,714 --> 00:07:31,417 like in regular sport, there's all this stuff, like you were saying, 181 00:07:31,417 --> 00:07:36,122 but in, you know, in the e-sports world, it's it's such a niche thing as well 182 00:07:36,155 --> 00:07:39,492 because, you know, a lot of people, it's not even just like they don't know, 183 00:07:39,492 --> 00:07:41,494 they're just hesitant because they're not sure. 184 00:07:41,494 --> 00:07:43,563 And it's good that there's this bridge in between 185 00:07:43,563 --> 00:07:47,633 so that they can understand more of like, oh man, like, I can't get into this game. 186 00:07:47,633 --> 00:07:50,036 This game has a competitive seem like there are games out there. 187 00:07:50,036 --> 00:07:53,005 Like even when we talked about Tetris, you're like, there's a classic tendency. 188 00:07:53,005 --> 00:07:53,339 Yeah. 189 00:07:53,339 --> 00:07:56,342 You know, so it's cool to be able to have that for somebody 190 00:07:56,776 --> 00:07:59,779 and be able to talk about, hey, yeah, there is a competitive scene 191 00:07:59,779 --> 00:08:02,849 for a game that you like, but hey, I appreciate you taking the time, man. 192 00:08:02,849 --> 00:08:04,517 Let them know where they can, you know, find 193 00:08:04,517 --> 00:08:06,819 you guys on social media or anything like that. Yeah. 194 00:08:06,819 --> 00:08:07,653 Let them know. Yeah. 195 00:08:07,653 --> 00:08:10,723 So our locations again we have three across the United States. 196 00:08:10,957 --> 00:08:13,292 We have one in Vegas, one here in Folsom. 197 00:08:13,292 --> 00:08:16,295 The third one's in Cornelius, North Carolina, 198 00:08:16,562 --> 00:08:22,735 the one here in Folsom on 187 Blue Ravine Road in Folsom. 199 00:08:23,236 --> 00:08:26,873 they can find us on Instagram at 704 via Holland 200 00:08:27,039 --> 00:08:30,243 or our Vegas location at 702 via Holland, or 201 00:08:30,243 --> 00:08:33,613 our Cornelius location at 916 Holland. 202 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:36,449 Okay. Awesome. Hey, I appreciate you taking the time, man. 203 00:08:36,449 --> 00:08:37,383 I wish you the best of luck. 204 00:08:37,383 --> 00:08:39,652 I think we're going to be working together pretty soon. Absolutely. 205 00:08:39,652 --> 00:08:42,121 Yeah, I definitely want to so need. That Tetris League. 206 00:08:42,121 --> 00:08:44,891 Yeah check them out guys. Mulholland e-sports, man. 207 00:08:44,891 --> 00:08:46,092 They got big things going on. 208 00:08:51,731 --> 00:08:54,567 All right everybody, we're here with another game developer. 209 00:08:54,567 --> 00:08:56,402 How are you doing? How are you enjoying the event? 210 00:08:56,402 --> 00:08:58,004 I, really enjoying it. 211 00:08:58,004 --> 00:09:00,106 Thank you for having me. This is super fun. 212 00:09:00,106 --> 00:09:02,642 Go ahead, introduce yourself. I cut you off when you're doing that. Hi. 213 00:09:02,642 --> 00:09:06,612 I'm, Ricardo Andre's, my alias, the comic master. 214 00:09:06,612 --> 00:09:10,449 and, yeah, I'm an indie game dev and author. 215 00:09:11,050 --> 00:09:13,185 What, what gamer did you bring today? 216 00:09:13,185 --> 00:09:14,420 I brought Dark Storm. 217 00:09:14,420 --> 00:09:17,423 So Dark Storm is a third person shooter. 218 00:09:17,456 --> 00:09:21,694 And kind of the premise is you are a robot named Mars, and you have to go 219 00:09:21,694 --> 00:09:25,831 and exterminate alien insects in this fictional city called Razor City. 220 00:09:26,232 --> 00:09:29,035 So, the game takes lots of inspiration from Dune 221 00:09:29,035 --> 00:09:32,572 and Titanfall and, yeah, it's the first of many games. 222 00:09:32,572 --> 00:09:32,972 Hopefully. 223 00:09:33,940 --> 00:09:34,907 What kind of story? 224 00:09:34,907 --> 00:09:36,776 And did you get the story from the novel? 225 00:09:36,776 --> 00:09:38,277 And like, I know you're also a novel writer. 226 00:09:38,277 --> 00:09:39,612 Did you pull that story from there? 227 00:09:39,612 --> 00:09:42,214 That's correct. So I'm a science fiction novelist. 228 00:09:42,214 --> 00:09:47,486 my my novel luminary Quantum Rising, is actually different from Dark Storm. 229 00:09:47,787 --> 00:09:52,792 So, Dark Storm was kind of a story that I kind of had in the back of my head. 230 00:09:52,792 --> 00:09:54,860 and I wanted to do something different. 231 00:09:54,860 --> 00:09:57,830 I, as a science fiction writer, you know, you love the genre, 232 00:09:57,830 --> 00:10:01,667 but I thought it'd be fun to kind of explore a different venue and, 233 00:10:01,667 --> 00:10:05,605 maybe look at how robots and aliens mash up together. Yes. 234 00:10:06,906 --> 00:10:07,773 Is there any sort of. 235 00:10:07,773 --> 00:10:09,075 A lot of times when we go into sci fi, 236 00:10:09,075 --> 00:10:13,145 there's a, current day morality that we're trying to explain. 237 00:10:13,145 --> 00:10:14,947 Is there anything going on in your game? 238 00:10:14,947 --> 00:10:17,083 Yeah. So actually, one thing that I've been 239 00:10:17,083 --> 00:10:19,652 really interested to implement my game is AI. 240 00:10:19,652 --> 00:10:22,722 I know AI is really prevalent, in today's society, 241 00:10:22,722 --> 00:10:25,424 and I thought it'd be interesting to have a killer robot 242 00:10:25,424 --> 00:10:30,062 with artificial intelligence trained to fight aliens. Yes. 243 00:10:30,062 --> 00:10:32,365 and to abstract humanity. 244 00:10:32,365 --> 00:10:35,101 Because I know humanity shows up in science fiction all the time. 245 00:10:35,101 --> 00:10:36,402 Of course, of course. 246 00:10:36,402 --> 00:10:39,472 Now, is this going to be set in the distant future or in a different place? 247 00:10:40,006 --> 00:10:42,108 I currently have it set in 2040. 248 00:10:42,108 --> 00:10:44,777 That is a random number I chose off the top of my head. 249 00:10:44,777 --> 00:10:49,982 Yeah, but I think kind of having a future that is close to ours kind of resonates 250 00:10:49,982 --> 00:10:53,352 with a lot of the players compared to something 2130, for example. 251 00:10:53,419 --> 00:10:53,953 Right? 252 00:10:53,953 --> 00:10:56,622 Especially with the use of AI, AI is currently on the rise. 253 00:10:56,622 --> 00:10:58,424 So when you start to introduce it in the game, 254 00:10:58,424 --> 00:11:01,327 of course people start to feel the impact a little bit more. 255 00:11:01,327 --> 00:11:02,461 in your story. 256 00:11:02,461 --> 00:11:04,296 How has AI developed over time? 257 00:11:04,296 --> 00:11:06,832 Have we lost control of it? Is it protecting us? 258 00:11:06,832 --> 00:11:10,670 So I've always been one for AI, and I thought it would be interesting 259 00:11:10,670 --> 00:11:13,806 to have artificial intelligence work alongside humanity. 260 00:11:13,806 --> 00:11:16,942 Yeah, partly because in Dark Storm you're fighting aliens. 261 00:11:16,942 --> 00:11:18,444 It's an alien invasion. 262 00:11:18,444 --> 00:11:21,013 And AI is something created by humans, right? 263 00:11:21,013 --> 00:11:24,383 So if humanity can utilize their tools to fight back 264 00:11:24,383 --> 00:11:28,320 against aliens, I feel like that also really resonates with the player. 265 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:30,756 They feel like they have that fighting system. 266 00:11:30,756 --> 00:11:34,126 Also, I wanted to steer away from tropes so. 267 00:11:34,727 --> 00:11:38,664 Hard to do because of course we have like games like hell drivers, stuff like that. 268 00:11:38,664 --> 00:11:40,166 So many alien games. 269 00:11:40,166 --> 00:11:41,967 What kind of tropes are you trying to avoid 270 00:11:41,967 --> 00:11:43,736 and what did you do that was unique? 271 00:11:43,736 --> 00:11:45,337 AI in this subject? 272 00:11:45,337 --> 00:11:49,341 I think the biggest trope we could talk about is how I turns against humanity. 273 00:11:49,375 --> 00:11:51,911 Yeah, I think that's seen time and time again. 274 00:11:51,911 --> 00:11:54,914 for things like Terminator 275 00:11:55,081 --> 00:11:58,050 and all these other works that are becoming more prevalent nowadays. 276 00:11:58,084 --> 00:12:00,686 Yeah. So that was definitely one trope. 277 00:12:00,686 --> 00:12:04,090 Another trope that I wanted to steer away from was like I mentioned, you know, 278 00:12:04,323 --> 00:12:06,592 making sure there's no humans in the game. 279 00:12:06,592 --> 00:12:09,261 I think a lot of us as players are really used to playing 280 00:12:09,261 --> 00:12:10,896 some sort of biped figure. 281 00:12:10,896 --> 00:12:13,699 So to play something that is, you know, walkable, 282 00:12:13,699 --> 00:12:16,702 you know, you have this walking mech, but it's a robot. 283 00:12:17,069 --> 00:12:20,206 It kind of reminds a lot of players, at least players who have played it today 284 00:12:20,372 --> 00:12:23,109 reminds them of like Armored Core six, for example, games 285 00:12:23,109 --> 00:12:25,711 that they aren't really familiar with, they haven't really seen. 286 00:12:25,711 --> 00:12:28,080 So that's a great that's great. 287 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:30,950 Speaking of development, how long have you been developing this game? 288 00:12:30,950 --> 00:12:33,285 I have been developing it for seven months, 289 00:12:33,285 --> 00:12:36,122 so I'm currently a college student studying computer science. 290 00:12:36,122 --> 00:12:36,756 That's incredible. 291 00:12:36,756 --> 00:12:39,725 I've seen how good this game looks for seven months. That is insane. 292 00:12:39,725 --> 00:12:41,694 Thank you. There were a lot of restless nights. 293 00:12:41,694 --> 00:12:45,197 Yeah, mixing calculus two and video game development 294 00:12:45,197 --> 00:12:48,300 has definitely been a struggle, but I'm just glad to be here. 295 00:12:48,367 --> 00:12:48,834 Yeah. 296 00:12:48,834 --> 00:12:51,837 What, what kind of programing language are you using for this? 297 00:12:51,871 --> 00:12:52,805 I'm using unity. 298 00:12:52,805 --> 00:12:57,243 So I started programing when I was 13 and when I started programing, 299 00:12:57,243 --> 00:13:01,680 I actually, dove right into unity, and I thought it'd be really interesting 300 00:13:01,680 --> 00:13:04,717 to use an interface that a lot of pro developers are using. 301 00:13:04,784 --> 00:13:07,620 Yeah, but still really push myself in the deep end. 302 00:13:07,620 --> 00:13:10,956 So during the pandemic, I spent a lot of time learning unity. 303 00:13:10,956 --> 00:13:13,259 And then finally, once I developed Dark Storm, 304 00:13:13,259 --> 00:13:15,294 it just felt like second nature to me. 305 00:13:15,294 --> 00:13:18,631 Is there some benefits to unity that you see are better than, say, 306 00:13:18,631 --> 00:13:20,733 Unreal Engine or any of the other engines out there? 307 00:13:20,733 --> 00:13:25,938 I would say the best, positive to unity would be the community. 308 00:13:26,138 --> 00:13:29,141 I think the community has really sold me on unity because, 309 00:13:29,141 --> 00:13:32,144 as I'm, you know, programing dark storm, I run into problems 310 00:13:32,344 --> 00:13:36,081 and you just go online and say, hey, I need to fix my rigidbody, 311 00:13:36,115 --> 00:13:37,983 my character controller, or whatever it might be. 312 00:13:37,983 --> 00:13:40,986 And there's tons of forums made by unity developers, 313 00:13:41,187 --> 00:13:45,224 unlike something like Unreal Engine, which is, more closed off, if you will. 314 00:13:45,457 --> 00:13:46,325 Interesting. 315 00:13:46,325 --> 00:13:49,094 Speaking of community, have you gotten a small community 316 00:13:49,094 --> 00:13:52,097 started to build with for your game as excitement builds? 317 00:13:52,097 --> 00:13:55,134 I have, you know, it's really hard to be 318 00:13:55,134 --> 00:13:58,237 in this industry, especially as an indie game developer, indie author. 319 00:13:58,237 --> 00:14:00,139 You can't expect instant feedback. 320 00:14:00,139 --> 00:14:03,642 So when I checked my steam reviews, I was really happy to see 321 00:14:03,642 --> 00:14:05,444 that people were playing it. Oh, good. 322 00:14:05,444 --> 00:14:07,479 especially because, you know, like I mentioned, working 323 00:14:07,479 --> 00:14:09,515 full time and college student, you know, you, 324 00:14:09,515 --> 00:14:11,617 you publish the game and then you kind of like, 325 00:14:11,617 --> 00:14:14,086 it's in the back of your head because you're going day to day. 326 00:14:14,086 --> 00:14:17,623 So to see people playing it and talking about it, even on my social media 327 00:14:17,623 --> 00:14:21,327 is, has really just made me feel like some I've made some sort of impact. 328 00:14:21,527 --> 00:14:23,262 Have you gotten any feedback from this marketing, 329 00:14:23,262 --> 00:14:26,866 the social media presence that has changed how you're developing the game? 330 00:14:27,333 --> 00:14:31,270 I have, and I think one of the biggest feedbacks is actually making it free. 331 00:14:31,637 --> 00:14:33,572 You know, I mentioned a lot of people, especially my best friend. 332 00:14:33,572 --> 00:14:36,575 I told them like, hey, I want to make my game, you know, $20 333 00:14:36,609 --> 00:14:40,179 and I decide $20 just because, you know, a lot of games I played was $20. 334 00:14:40,179 --> 00:14:42,481 Yeah, it seemed it seemed logical. 335 00:14:42,481 --> 00:14:44,516 But what he told me is like, you need to make it free. 336 00:14:44,516 --> 00:14:45,618 You need to make it free. 337 00:14:45,618 --> 00:14:47,453 Not in the sense where people aren't paying money, 338 00:14:47,453 --> 00:14:48,254 but free in the sense 339 00:14:48,254 --> 00:14:51,257 where they can download it and try it and tell you what they think. 340 00:14:51,457 --> 00:14:53,392 And that just opened my world. 341 00:14:53,392 --> 00:14:54,326 unfortunately, 342 00:14:54,326 --> 00:14:58,797 I can't make my novel free because, you know, you for five years into it. 343 00:14:58,797 --> 00:15:03,469 And. Yeah, but I really thought that making it free meant a lot to me. 344 00:15:03,736 --> 00:15:06,105 What is the gameplay like in your game? 345 00:15:06,105 --> 00:15:08,540 Are we first person shooter kind of kind of explain that. 346 00:15:08,540 --> 00:15:11,277 So Dark Storm is currently a third person shooter. Okay. 347 00:15:11,277 --> 00:15:14,980 Now I've heard lots of people say that they wanted first person, whatever it is. 348 00:15:14,980 --> 00:15:16,582 And I didn't realize that, you know, 349 00:15:16,582 --> 00:15:18,984 some people were just in love with the perspective. 350 00:15:18,984 --> 00:15:21,620 It's so divided. Yeah. I had no idea. 351 00:15:21,620 --> 00:15:25,591 So I chose third person primarily because I like seeing the model. 352 00:15:25,591 --> 00:15:26,592 I like seeing the character. 353 00:15:26,592 --> 00:15:30,062 to give some perspective, I played Battlefront when I was a kid, 354 00:15:30,629 --> 00:15:34,633 and I loved seeing the Stormtrooper, the Jedi Master, whatever it is. 355 00:15:34,833 --> 00:15:39,104 So to see Mars, your robot walking around the environment really meant a lot to me. 356 00:15:39,271 --> 00:15:39,538 Yeah. 357 00:15:39,538 --> 00:15:43,108 So Dark storm, third person, you're walking around this map, and this map is 358 00:15:43,108 --> 00:15:46,679 Razor City, so it's completely decimated by an alien invasion. 359 00:15:47,046 --> 00:15:50,783 And your task is to go and find these aliens and vanquish them. 360 00:15:51,050 --> 00:15:51,216 Yeah. 361 00:15:51,216 --> 00:15:54,219 Originally, the working title for the project was Search and Destroy. 362 00:15:54,353 --> 00:15:55,921 And, you know, the same friend I mentioned 363 00:15:55,921 --> 00:15:58,257 told me that's, you know, it's a Call of Duty game mode. 364 00:15:58,257 --> 00:16:01,126 You can't just take that name. Yeah, but I liked the concept. 365 00:16:01,126 --> 00:16:02,127 Search and destroy. 366 00:16:02,127 --> 00:16:05,130 You can have a robot search enemies and destroy them. 367 00:16:05,564 --> 00:16:07,733 So that's kind of the concept of the game. 368 00:16:07,733 --> 00:16:10,302 And I was really inspired by doom. 369 00:16:10,302 --> 00:16:13,305 I really liked how simple doom was and how playable it was. 370 00:16:13,472 --> 00:16:17,209 Or you're thrown into this sci fi map, you have to go and find your enemies 371 00:16:17,209 --> 00:16:18,510 and pick up collectibles. 372 00:16:18,510 --> 00:16:21,880 I think that really forces the player to go and explore your map. 373 00:16:22,147 --> 00:16:25,617 Go finding different areas of the map that you spent a long time developing, 374 00:16:25,851 --> 00:16:28,854 and see if you can pick up collectibles to make your character stronger. 375 00:16:28,921 --> 00:16:32,024 So okay, so that's some RPG elements where we're making our character stronger. 376 00:16:32,291 --> 00:16:35,060 You speak about the map, is this an open world game? 377 00:16:35,060 --> 00:16:35,828 Yes and no. 378 00:16:35,828 --> 00:16:38,497 I would say open world in the sense where it is a giant map, 379 00:16:38,497 --> 00:16:41,367 but no, in the sense where there are barriers, you. Are. 380 00:16:41,367 --> 00:16:45,404 Not welcome in certain areas, and the map will tell you so. 381 00:16:45,904 --> 00:16:50,142 And I think it's great being here, hearing the feedback people say, because I know, 382 00:16:50,142 --> 00:16:53,846 you know, you consider games like GTA five, that is completely open world. 383 00:16:54,046 --> 00:16:56,915 It's practically Los like a digital Los Angeles. 384 00:16:56,915 --> 00:17:00,686 And thinking about that, can I make, you know, an open world in this dark storm? 385 00:17:00,919 --> 00:17:03,622 There's a lot of things you have to consider. 386 00:17:03,622 --> 00:17:07,726 So I would say that I, I should try to steer away from that. 387 00:17:08,761 --> 00:17:09,395 Now, how do you 388 00:17:09,395 --> 00:17:11,997 how do you decide the limits of your city or your, your environment 389 00:17:11,997 --> 00:17:14,600 when you're trying to do an open world game like that or a bigger map like that? 390 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:16,802 I think the biggest thing is the storytelling. 391 00:17:16,802 --> 00:17:21,407 So if we consider the the summary of Dark Storm, you know, decimated city, 392 00:17:21,407 --> 00:17:26,445 alien invasion, killer robot, what are some locations in Razor City? 393 00:17:26,445 --> 00:17:29,448 The fictional environment that the player can go explore? 394 00:17:30,015 --> 00:17:32,584 One of them I thought instantly was military compound. 395 00:17:32,584 --> 00:17:34,853 You know, there should be at least three military compounds 396 00:17:34,853 --> 00:17:36,321 that show a ton of dead skeletons. 397 00:17:36,321 --> 00:17:41,393 Show that soldiers skeletons with guns and army trucks destroyed tanks with fire. 398 00:17:41,927 --> 00:17:43,929 another thing was a shot. Community. 399 00:17:43,929 --> 00:17:46,765 And I will say the shack community came from limitations. 400 00:17:46,765 --> 00:17:50,803 You know, keeping a low budget on the video game, I found shack models, 401 00:17:50,803 --> 00:17:54,473 like, literally kind of like homeless people could have lived here. 402 00:17:54,706 --> 00:17:58,177 So that suggested maybe, you know, there was an alien invasion. 403 00:17:58,477 --> 00:17:59,011 Humanity. 404 00:17:59,011 --> 00:18:02,014 Try living in the city and then decided they could not. 405 00:18:02,147 --> 00:18:05,517 Another thing I decided was a shipping container section, 406 00:18:05,517 --> 00:18:07,753 kind of like in Call of Duty, how I know. 407 00:18:07,753 --> 00:18:10,923 And, the World War Two video game, they had the shipping container area. 408 00:18:10,923 --> 00:18:11,256 Yeah. 409 00:18:11,256 --> 00:18:14,493 The reason I decided this is because it's a little it's like a labyrinth. 410 00:18:14,860 --> 00:18:17,062 So you have to navigate around the shipping containers 411 00:18:17,062 --> 00:18:18,530 and it's a little eerie. 412 00:18:18,530 --> 00:18:22,334 So that's how I chose the different sections of the game. 413 00:18:22,334 --> 00:18:23,836 Now, do you have to worry about 414 00:18:23,836 --> 00:18:27,172 how far a person walks before they run into the next interesting 415 00:18:27,172 --> 00:18:30,209 item, maybe a collectible part of the game, something like that? 416 00:18:30,209 --> 00:18:33,212 Or is it just like you want to make it feel vast? 417 00:18:33,612 --> 00:18:34,513 a little bit of both. 418 00:18:34,513 --> 00:18:36,181 So one thing that I really 419 00:18:37,282 --> 00:18:38,217 wanted to include in the 420 00:18:38,217 --> 00:18:41,954 game is if there's collectibles, I need the player to access them. 421 00:18:42,221 --> 00:18:42,454 Yeah. 422 00:18:42,454 --> 00:18:44,256 The other thing, too, is I didn't want the player 423 00:18:44,256 --> 00:18:46,091 feeling inclined to walk off the map. 424 00:18:46,091 --> 00:18:49,795 So one thing you'll notice when you play Dark Storm is it feels like there's sand 425 00:18:49,795 --> 00:18:50,662 dunes blocking 426 00:18:50,662 --> 00:18:54,633 you inside a section of the city and playing the game, exploring the map. 427 00:18:54,633 --> 00:18:57,636 It didn't feel limiting in the sense that I had thought it would, 428 00:18:58,270 --> 00:19:01,206 but because there's so many collectibles spawn throughout the map, 429 00:19:01,206 --> 00:19:04,276 it really forces you to not quicken up your pace and go and collect these. 430 00:19:04,276 --> 00:19:05,811 Yeah, these little items. 431 00:19:05,811 --> 00:19:09,381 So and that's the primary game, play loop is the collecting 432 00:19:09,381 --> 00:19:10,616 the items of stuff like that. 433 00:19:10,616 --> 00:19:13,285 But it sounds like there's still a good deal of exploring and sometimes games. 434 00:19:13,285 --> 00:19:14,753 Forget about that. That's good to hear that. 435 00:19:14,753 --> 00:19:17,723 You've got that in hand. Absolutely, I completely agree. 436 00:19:17,723 --> 00:19:20,559 So before we head out, where can people find the game? 437 00:19:20,559 --> 00:19:22,494 And I want to shout out the novel too. 438 00:19:22,494 --> 00:19:25,464 So Dark Storm is available on steam. 439 00:19:25,464 --> 00:19:26,732 You just search Dark Storm. 440 00:19:26,732 --> 00:19:30,836 I believe I'm listed under the Comic Master and feel free to download it. 441 00:19:30,836 --> 00:19:35,040 there's no waitlist, no anything on there so you can go and download the the game. 442 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:39,211 As for my novel Luminary Quantum Rising, this is novel I've written for a while 443 00:19:39,912 --> 00:19:42,614 and that is published through Amazon or Barnes and Noble. 444 00:19:42,614 --> 00:19:45,317 And if you follow me on my socials, I have author events 445 00:19:45,317 --> 00:19:48,954 all over the Sacramento Bay area area so you can go and find me. 446 00:19:48,954 --> 00:19:51,456 And I love to design novels. So awesome. 447 00:19:51,456 --> 00:19:53,325 That's cool. Thank you very much for hanging out with us today. 448 00:19:53,325 --> 00:19:54,693 Thank you for having me. Of course. 449 00:20:00,232 --> 00:20:02,935 Tyler here, he's got a who's got just who's just up there. 450 00:20:02,935 --> 00:20:05,470 The who's got excellent podcasts on our display. 451 00:20:05,470 --> 00:20:07,773 Tyler, we haven't heard from you a little bit on geek breaks. 452 00:20:07,773 --> 00:20:10,409 Explain how who's got next games going. 453 00:20:10,409 --> 00:20:13,412 It's just three dudes from college just talking about, 454 00:20:13,512 --> 00:20:17,482 you know, back in the day, playing video games on the couch and just debating 455 00:20:17,482 --> 00:20:19,351 and talking about different genres. 456 00:20:19,351 --> 00:20:23,956 And the big thing right now is, we just went past March Madness, 457 00:20:23,956 --> 00:20:27,893 for basketball, but I decided to turn it into a video game bracket. 458 00:20:27,893 --> 00:20:30,362 So we got a bunch of different games that we have. 459 00:20:30,362 --> 00:20:32,664 Our, you know, criteria is like, oh, what's the best, 460 00:20:32,664 --> 00:20:34,833 you know, game to play on the couch with your buddies. 461 00:20:34,833 --> 00:20:36,134 So we have each of the consoles. 462 00:20:36,134 --> 00:20:39,972 So we have we PlayStation two, you know a bunch of different consoles 463 00:20:39,972 --> 00:20:42,975 that we're going to go over, and then we're going to do a grand bracket 464 00:20:43,041 --> 00:20:46,211 where each of the number one games that make it through the bracket 465 00:20:46,678 --> 00:20:49,815 are going to go into a bracket and fight it out to determine, 466 00:20:50,015 --> 00:20:53,285 in our opinion, what's the best game to play with your buddies on the couch. 467 00:20:53,318 --> 00:20:55,721 Now you guys just finished the bracket, correct? We did. 468 00:20:55,721 --> 00:20:58,290 We bracket and I believe the. PlayStation bracket. 469 00:20:58,290 --> 00:20:59,491 Was PlayStation bracket. 470 00:20:59,491 --> 00:21:01,860 Now I got I got some major beef with you 471 00:21:01,860 --> 00:21:04,863 because Crash Bandicoot lost on that thing. 472 00:21:05,197 --> 00:21:08,166 If you're if you're thinking PlayStation one is one of the pinnacle games, 473 00:21:08,166 --> 00:21:09,001 how did that come out? 474 00:21:09,001 --> 00:21:12,170 So the criteria is not best game, you know what I mean? 475 00:21:12,271 --> 00:21:15,073 Because people made that argument is like, oh, hey, it's the best game. 476 00:21:15,073 --> 00:21:17,542 Okay, well, we're not talking about the best game. 477 00:21:17,542 --> 00:21:20,545 We're talking about the best game to play on the couch with your buddies. 478 00:21:20,579 --> 00:21:25,617 Yeah, because I agree that it's the best game, but I don't agree 479 00:21:25,617 --> 00:21:29,454 that, like because I've made the argument of passion play can be something. 480 00:21:29,454 --> 00:21:30,522 You did actually, you were defending. 481 00:21:30,522 --> 00:21:32,057 It was knocking down hard. 482 00:21:32,057 --> 00:21:35,627 And it's hard because with the solo play game like that, you know, 483 00:21:35,794 --> 00:21:38,430 what are you supposed to do to argue plain on the game, but, 484 00:21:38,430 --> 00:21:41,033 you know, on the couch with your friends? Yeah, yeah. It's fun. 485 00:21:41,033 --> 00:21:41,967 It's it's criteria. 486 00:21:41,967 --> 00:21:45,037 You can change the debate so many times and have different nominations 487 00:21:45,270 --> 00:21:47,172 just by putting in a little criteria. Like, yeah. 488 00:21:47,172 --> 00:21:51,510 And you see with like all the other brackets that we have, I mean, the, 489 00:21:51,643 --> 00:21:55,847 the most unique one, I'll give a little preview are Gamecube bracket. 490 00:21:56,081 --> 00:22:00,185 There's no Mario Party because we decided to do 491 00:22:00,185 --> 00:22:04,423 like one game per like criteria. 492 00:22:04,423 --> 00:22:07,059 So like we have Mario Party eight in our bracket. 493 00:22:07,059 --> 00:22:08,093 So we didn't want to do okay. 494 00:22:08,093 --> 00:22:10,162 Mario Party favors Mario Party six in the grand final. 495 00:22:10,162 --> 00:22:12,264 Well, okay, it's two Mario Party games. 496 00:22:12,264 --> 00:22:15,334 You know, at that point you're just debating mini games versus, 497 00:22:15,634 --> 00:22:19,137 you know, having a collective retrospect of different games 498 00:22:19,137 --> 00:22:22,240 that aren't, you know, like Pokemon Fire Red versus Leaf Green. 499 00:22:22,441 --> 00:22:22,874 Okay. 500 00:22:22,874 --> 00:22:24,543 The same game, just different. 501 00:22:24,543 --> 00:22:26,945 Yeah. You know, Pokemon changes. Yeah. 502 00:22:26,945 --> 00:22:29,548 Mario Party might be the best couch co-op game in general. 503 00:22:29,548 --> 00:22:31,650 I mean, I'm trying to think of something that's so. 504 00:22:31,650 --> 00:22:34,519 Mario Kart. Geared for couch co-op. 505 00:22:34,519 --> 00:22:37,789 Yeah, Mario Kart is good, but like the party aspect of Mario Party. 506 00:22:37,856 --> 00:22:40,225 Yeah, I think it's inviting these segmented things. 507 00:22:40,225 --> 00:22:42,227 You can go up to go for bathroom breaks. 508 00:22:42,227 --> 00:22:44,529 I guess car has that feature as well. 509 00:22:44,529 --> 00:22:47,833 Can you think of a better kind of game that's designed for couch co-op? 510 00:22:50,168 --> 00:22:50,769 I don't know. 511 00:22:50,769 --> 00:22:51,603 Not off the top of my head. 512 00:22:51,603 --> 00:22:52,471 Mario Brothers three. 513 00:22:52,471 --> 00:22:55,474 Give me a list of games to go through. 514 00:22:55,607 --> 00:22:58,043 I'm sure Mario Mario Brothers three are more like Mario Brothers 515 00:22:58,043 --> 00:22:59,444 two or the original Mario Brothers. 516 00:22:59,444 --> 00:23:02,447 It's, I would say, at least in the two player respective. 517 00:23:02,481 --> 00:23:04,182 Well. We had that is another debate. 518 00:23:04,182 --> 00:23:06,118 It's like, okay, so what is two players? 519 00:23:06,118 --> 00:23:08,320 Four players. You know how many players can play? 520 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:08,653 Yeah. 521 00:23:08,653 --> 00:23:10,288 Because you have like the Wii that can you know 522 00:23:10,288 --> 00:23:12,157 you can go on land and do eight players. 523 00:23:12,157 --> 00:23:12,491 Yeah. 524 00:23:12,491 --> 00:23:16,261 You know and retro consoles don't have that you know. 525 00:23:16,495 --> 00:23:19,998 Yeah I got to say though for the Mario Brothers, 526 00:23:19,998 --> 00:23:21,166 the reason that one's a tough one. 527 00:23:21,166 --> 00:23:24,102 And I mean, David's mess with Miguel on this. 528 00:23:24,102 --> 00:23:24,569 Yeah. 529 00:23:24,569 --> 00:23:28,673 Is you have to wait until that person's dead to play the second player. 530 00:23:29,007 --> 00:23:31,076 So if you're playing against playing with somebody who's actually, 531 00:23:31,076 --> 00:23:33,011 like, skilled at the game, well, then you're screwed. Yeah. 532 00:23:33,011 --> 00:23:35,614 And you're sitting there and you're just kind of like, somebody else play. 533 00:23:35,614 --> 00:23:38,049 Yeah. You're like trying to, like, throw popcorn in her face. 534 00:23:38,049 --> 00:23:39,551 It's nice when you smack the controller. 535 00:23:39,551 --> 00:23:41,319 Yeah. You're like, mom's taking too long. 536 00:23:41,319 --> 00:23:42,421 You throw that out there. 537 00:23:42,421 --> 00:23:43,388 So it did for Miguel. 538 00:23:43,388 --> 00:23:47,192 As we give him a dummy controller, he would just play on and go crazy for his 539 00:23:47,192 --> 00:23:48,527 good old days. That's funny. 540 00:23:49,828 --> 00:23:52,130 okay, so yeah, smash brothers also hit smash hit today. 541 00:23:52,130 --> 00:23:53,231 That's a great couch co-op game. 542 00:23:53,231 --> 00:23:53,732 Agreed. 543 00:23:53,732 --> 00:23:56,868 Yeah, and it's a game that I've been playing since I can remember. 544 00:23:57,002 --> 00:24:01,006 Like I one of the first consoles that I bought on my own was a Gamecube. 545 00:24:01,072 --> 00:24:05,043 So I've been playing Smash Brothers since I was able to play console. 546 00:24:05,110 --> 00:24:06,611 Yeah. 547 00:24:06,611 --> 00:24:08,613 And that was back in like 2001. 548 00:24:08,613 --> 00:24:11,483 Oh, God, I'm so old. Yeah. You know. 549 00:24:11,483 --> 00:24:12,617 Yeah. 550 00:24:12,617 --> 00:24:14,085 Every time I hear these dates and I'm just like, 551 00:24:14,085 --> 00:24:16,154 oh, yeah, that's like 25 years ago. 552 00:24:16,154 --> 00:24:18,223 He was old enough to go to war. 553 00:24:18,223 --> 00:24:20,058 Yeah. Oh my God. 554 00:24:20,058 --> 00:24:23,829 I remember working at ToysRUs and Louise were like the hottest item in the store. 555 00:24:23,862 --> 00:24:25,430 Couldn't find them, I know. 556 00:24:25,430 --> 00:24:28,500 And in 2006 Nintendo sends the shipments out every Wednesday. 557 00:24:28,500 --> 00:24:32,737 So Wednesday morning I had a bunch of parents lining up outside of toys R us, 558 00:24:33,138 --> 00:24:34,039 and eventually 559 00:24:34,039 --> 00:24:35,941 I came up with a ticketing system so I can give them tickets 560 00:24:35,941 --> 00:24:37,209 and then go back to their cars and warm up 561 00:24:37,209 --> 00:24:38,376 because I was in the middle of freaking winter. 562 00:24:38,376 --> 00:24:39,544 They're trying to buy Christmas gifts. 563 00:24:39,544 --> 00:24:42,280 and it was nuts. 564 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:44,082 It was mayhem, right? So we had them all go through. 565 00:24:44,082 --> 00:24:46,751 It took about six months for the WI to be readily available and then like, 566 00:24:46,751 --> 00:24:48,787 okay, we're past that phase, right? 567 00:24:48,787 --> 00:24:51,456 And then those bastards and the other think, oh, we fit. 568 00:24:51,456 --> 00:24:52,657 Yeah. You remember we. Fit. 569 00:24:52,657 --> 00:24:53,925 Oh yeah, I have it. 570 00:24:53,925 --> 00:24:55,927 Yeah. I had the board too. 571 00:24:55,927 --> 00:24:57,863 Yeah. That was such a craze. 572 00:24:57,863 --> 00:24:59,064 And then again the line showed up. 573 00:24:59,064 --> 00:25:02,067 Oh look it's again genius. Move on Nintendo. 574 00:25:02,067 --> 00:25:04,102 That's a good. Move. It just sold. So that they had. 575 00:25:04,102 --> 00:25:06,438 They came out with a sequel. 576 00:25:06,438 --> 00:25:07,806 But yeah we did. Plus 577 00:25:09,341 --> 00:25:11,977 like it's basically a sequel with just more features. 578 00:25:11,977 --> 00:25:13,211 Yeah. Yeah. 579 00:25:13,211 --> 00:25:14,746 I can't imagine how many consoles that sold 580 00:25:14,746 --> 00:25:17,249 families buying it, thinking all this is going to be a hundred million. 581 00:25:17,249 --> 00:25:18,316 Our kids. Yeah, yeah. 582 00:25:18,316 --> 00:25:20,485 Yeah, hundred million. They likes to play me the. 583 00:25:20,485 --> 00:25:22,921 PlayStation two, but still, it's more than enough. 584 00:25:22,921 --> 00:25:23,421 That's a lot. 585 00:25:23,421 --> 00:25:26,958 That's enough off of a simple game that people thought it was a fad. 586 00:25:26,958 --> 00:25:28,260 People played it for a little while and realized, 587 00:25:28,260 --> 00:25:30,495 okay, well, yeah, I'd rather go outside and play soccer. 588 00:25:30,495 --> 00:25:32,764 Well, my. Kids playing included with the Wii. 589 00:25:32,764 --> 00:25:35,200 When you bought it, we sports. Yeah, yeah, that was. 590 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:37,402 Talk about a staple of the Tendo. 591 00:25:37,402 --> 00:25:39,871 Yeah. It's a it's sold 100 million copies. 592 00:25:39,871 --> 00:25:41,773 Did he ever expect it to happen. 593 00:25:41,773 --> 00:25:44,676 On the like actually sold. Yeah. 594 00:25:44,676 --> 00:25:46,311 Didn't do you think they actually expected that. 595 00:25:46,311 --> 00:25:47,546 They actually thought like oh you know what 596 00:25:47,546 --> 00:25:49,014 we're going to do really well with this game. 597 00:25:49,014 --> 00:25:51,049 Like I don't just a dummy. 598 00:25:51,049 --> 00:25:54,686 I think they knew they had a gym and you know, they went in 1 or 2. 599 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:56,421 Do you go in 1 or 2 direction with it. Okay. 600 00:25:56,421 --> 00:25:59,958 You sell it or pair it with the console to sell more consoles? 601 00:25:59,958 --> 00:26:01,293 Yeah. You know what I mean. 602 00:26:01,293 --> 00:26:03,595 I think it was a smart move for them to pair it with the console in. 603 00:26:03,595 --> 00:26:05,597 The design of the of the Wii. 604 00:26:05,597 --> 00:26:09,167 That was the whole thing is the motion, you know, functionality with the controls. 605 00:26:09,568 --> 00:26:13,371 So they had to have something like that that was engaging to get people 606 00:26:13,405 --> 00:26:17,042 to sell people on this new control, you know, feature that it had. 607 00:26:17,042 --> 00:26:19,644 Well, then it jumped into sports resort. 608 00:26:19,644 --> 00:26:21,212 Yeah. That's right. 609 00:26:21,212 --> 00:26:22,480 They did that. Yeah. 610 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:24,583 And those are, those are two games for the weed. 611 00:26:24,583 --> 00:26:28,954 I'm like, man I can play those all day like and never get sick or bored of them. 612 00:26:28,954 --> 00:26:29,454 You think about it. 613 00:26:29,454 --> 00:26:31,556 It's almost it's like a kind of augmented reality thing 614 00:26:31,556 --> 00:26:33,792 that they had way ahead of everybody else where it's, 615 00:26:33,792 --> 00:26:37,028 you know, you're actually physically interacting with the digital world. 616 00:26:37,028 --> 00:26:37,963 Well, and they made attempts 617 00:26:37,963 --> 00:26:41,132 with like other retro consoles, but the technology just wasn't there. 618 00:26:41,166 --> 00:26:41,967 Yeah. You know, yeah. 619 00:26:41,967 --> 00:26:43,668 Even for a Wii, it was very early. 620 00:26:43,668 --> 00:26:47,105 And compared to what we have now for, you know, augmented reality, virtual reality 621 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:49,074 predates that. 622 00:26:49,074 --> 00:26:51,509 Again, it was Nintendo pushing the board on this. 623 00:26:51,509 --> 00:26:53,278 there was a thing where you put a pad down. 624 00:26:53,278 --> 00:26:55,213 It was like a Dance Revolution pad. 625 00:26:55,213 --> 00:26:57,215 And I actually owned what I want in a poker game. 626 00:26:57,215 --> 00:27:01,353 and, you had a lock down left, right? 627 00:27:01,353 --> 00:27:04,623 Like the controller A and B on it, but you had to dance it out the entire time. 628 00:27:04,623 --> 00:27:06,858 Yeah, I remember that. I remember years, yeah. 629 00:27:06,858 --> 00:27:08,827 And so I mean, that was such an innovation thing. 630 00:27:08,827 --> 00:27:10,295 I mean, no other company was even thinking about that. 631 00:27:10,295 --> 00:27:11,763 They were trying to get better graphics and. 632 00:27:11,763 --> 00:27:14,466 Buttons between two layers of plastic with a I know print on top. 633 00:27:14,466 --> 00:27:16,735 But it's smart. That you pitch it as exercise. 634 00:27:16,735 --> 00:27:19,771 It actually came with a, like an Olympic, Olympics game. 635 00:27:19,771 --> 00:27:20,238 Yeah. 636 00:27:20,238 --> 00:27:22,941 And then, another thing that pushed the boundaries. 637 00:27:22,941 --> 00:27:23,975 You might have actually use one of these. 638 00:27:23,975 --> 00:27:27,612 I know I did, the Virtual Boy, that was. 639 00:27:27,612 --> 00:27:31,950 I mean, yeah, most harsh red light in your eyes possible. 640 00:27:32,250 --> 00:27:33,218 And I had a tank game. 641 00:27:33,218 --> 00:27:35,820 I, I remember playing a tank game with it, but you look through it 642 00:27:35,820 --> 00:27:39,090 and it was, quote unquote VR, but it was like three layers of red lights 643 00:27:39,391 --> 00:27:42,260 that you look through and kind of like pointed in a certain direction. 644 00:27:42,260 --> 00:27:43,495 But I mean, give it up to Nintendo. 645 00:27:43,495 --> 00:27:46,498 They pushed it and sometimes it works, sometimes as a Virtual boy claps. 646 00:27:46,531 --> 00:27:48,566 But the Wii was one of the best. 647 00:27:48,566 --> 00:27:49,634 Yeah, it's one way or the other. 648 00:27:49,634 --> 00:27:50,135 With Nintendo, 649 00:27:50,135 --> 00:27:53,672 I've never I've never had a Nintendo console that's in the middle like, 650 00:27:54,072 --> 00:27:55,173 I mean, handheld wise. 651 00:27:55,173 --> 00:27:57,609 I mean, the DS was a craze. 652 00:27:57,609 --> 00:28:00,712 And who I when the DS came out, I thought, well, why do we need two screens? 653 00:28:00,712 --> 00:28:02,247 Just give me one bigger screen. Yeah. 654 00:28:02,247 --> 00:28:03,114 And I thought it was stupid. 655 00:28:03,114 --> 00:28:06,351 And now I mean the DS makes some of the best games that I can remember. 656 00:28:06,451 --> 00:28:07,152 Yeah. 657 00:28:07,152 --> 00:28:08,687 And that's actually in our bracket as well. 658 00:28:08,687 --> 00:28:10,355 We have some like handheld. 659 00:28:10,355 --> 00:28:12,691 Good Game. Boy handheld. That was really cool too. 660 00:28:12,691 --> 00:28:13,124 Yeah. 661 00:28:13,124 --> 00:28:16,561 So so looking at agenda, furthering this adventure, 662 00:28:16,561 --> 00:28:18,963 we have to switch to presumably announced next year. 663 00:28:18,963 --> 00:28:20,298 It's all but guaranteed. 664 00:28:20,298 --> 00:28:22,133 What are some of the features you expect to see on the. 665 00:28:22,133 --> 00:28:25,136 Again, the thinking Nintendo is going to push the limits. 666 00:28:25,236 --> 00:28:28,306 I think that they're just going to go for more of like 667 00:28:28,740 --> 00:28:31,743 upgrading the graphical aspect. 668 00:28:31,943 --> 00:28:32,644 And say, okay, they're. 669 00:28:32,644 --> 00:28:35,180 Going to attempt. 4K. Yeah. 670 00:28:35,180 --> 00:28:38,283 And then I feel like they have something in their back pocket 671 00:28:38,283 --> 00:28:41,286 that they're just going to sneak in and be like, oh yeah, here's, you know, 672 00:28:41,753 --> 00:28:42,687 AR goggles for you. 673 00:28:42,687 --> 00:28:44,089 You know what I mean? Something that's going to. 674 00:28:44,089 --> 00:28:47,358 That will really push if they can to incorporate some sort of VR. 675 00:28:47,358 --> 00:28:49,327 I think there's a that's a huge selling point because they. 676 00:28:49,327 --> 00:28:52,297 Have like the Xbox One. But that's not really VR. That's a joke. 677 00:28:52,297 --> 00:28:53,064 That's a joke. 678 00:28:53,064 --> 00:28:53,264 Yeah. 679 00:28:53,264 --> 00:28:56,568 It's like a it's like a half assed version of VR. 680 00:28:56,601 --> 00:28:57,068 Yeah. 681 00:28:58,369 --> 00:28:59,671 Jordan, is there any kind of features 682 00:28:59,671 --> 00:29:02,674 you can imagine that Nintendo would put into the switch to? 683 00:29:04,175 --> 00:29:06,945 I mean, just more social connection trying to, 684 00:29:06,945 --> 00:29:09,781 you know, be able to play as a family, cross-platform, stuff like that. 685 00:29:09,781 --> 00:29:11,583 Yeah. It's hard to say. 686 00:29:11,583 --> 00:29:15,053 I mean, they already they already, and push the limits of everything they do. 687 00:29:15,053 --> 00:29:18,123 So with imagine them trying to make a new version of the Wii 688 00:29:18,757 --> 00:29:21,092 and using now that we have, 689 00:29:21,092 --> 00:29:24,195 you know, augmented reality is much more well established, 690 00:29:24,562 --> 00:29:26,431 you know, the Wii gloves and stuff like that. 691 00:29:26,431 --> 00:29:30,001 So you have all the controls and the tactile motion and stuff. 692 00:29:30,468 --> 00:29:31,636 I could see them evolving that. 693 00:29:31,636 --> 00:29:35,039 yeah, I don't know. It's tricky. 694 00:29:35,206 --> 00:29:38,076 I'm going to throw out what if, you know, we had the Diaz time of Diaz 695 00:29:38,076 --> 00:29:40,678 and has that two screens? What if they did the same thing? 696 00:29:40,678 --> 00:29:42,647 But now we have that flexible screen? 697 00:29:42,647 --> 00:29:43,314 Oh, yeah. 698 00:29:43,314 --> 00:29:44,282 What if it opens up 699 00:29:44,282 --> 00:29:47,752 and it's one long screen that can be divided into two or something. 700 00:29:47,752 --> 00:29:49,053 So yeah, you know. 701 00:29:49,053 --> 00:29:51,422 Focus on that gives you the opportunity for like 702 00:29:51,422 --> 00:29:53,925 you know, how they're doing the classic consoles. Yeah. On it. 703 00:29:53,925 --> 00:29:57,061 So that gives them a chance to do Diaz as one of those for a selling. 704 00:29:57,095 --> 00:29:57,829 That's a good point. 705 00:29:57,829 --> 00:29:58,663 Yeah. 706 00:29:58,663 --> 00:29:59,531 So and I could. 707 00:29:59,531 --> 00:30:01,366 See that and that screen when I first came out, 708 00:30:01,366 --> 00:30:03,034 I think that's the stupidest thing when I was on phones, 709 00:30:03,034 --> 00:30:04,803 cause I'm like, that thing's in a crack. It's going to be that. 710 00:30:04,803 --> 00:30:06,337 And the early ones, we're not great. 711 00:30:06,337 --> 00:30:11,976 But now, we've got we've got a friend d you know, d she has one and swears by it. 712 00:30:12,243 --> 00:30:13,144 One of my. Bosses has one. 713 00:30:13,144 --> 00:30:15,647 He uses it and he does emails and stuff on his phone. 714 00:30:15,647 --> 00:30:16,948 He's constantly using it. 715 00:30:16,948 --> 00:30:18,716 Really? Never had any issue with the screen in the middle. 716 00:30:18,716 --> 00:30:20,285 Does not seem insane. We're in the. Future. 717 00:30:20,285 --> 00:30:22,053 Does, you know? Definitely. 718 00:30:22,053 --> 00:30:24,289 yeah. It's such a it's just odd leap in technology. 719 00:30:24,289 --> 00:30:26,791 You never thought that was going to be something people would want, let alone 720 00:30:26,791 --> 00:30:29,060 develop, right? A screen that folds in half. 721 00:30:29,060 --> 00:30:31,462 But then you think of so many applications, 722 00:30:31,462 --> 00:30:34,299 you can put it on all kinds of, round surfaces. 723 00:30:34,299 --> 00:30:35,567 The modern flip phone. 724 00:30:35,567 --> 00:30:37,502 Yeah, it is the modern flip phone, actually. 725 00:30:37,502 --> 00:30:39,337 Yeah. I think it had snake on it. I'm sold. 726 00:30:39,337 --> 00:30:40,839 You wrap wrap a car with that. 727 00:30:40,839 --> 00:30:43,842 Put cameras. Around it and snake to it. 728 00:30:43,842 --> 00:30:44,909 Yeah. 729 00:30:44,909 --> 00:30:48,213 Speaking actually is speaking of Nintendo and mobile gaming 730 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,382 ROMs are now allowed on the, iPhone. 731 00:30:51,382 --> 00:30:52,951 Have you guys set that up? Yep, I have delta. 732 00:30:52,951 --> 00:30:55,987 I, I did Delta I just downloaded my favorite TikToks. 733 00:30:57,121 --> 00:31:00,091 poster boy I tell you, I got a lot of trouble over that. 734 00:31:00,358 --> 00:31:01,459 The TikTok is still up. 735 00:31:01,459 --> 00:31:02,160 It's okay. 736 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,796 Well, I may have shown how to steal games. 737 00:31:04,796 --> 00:31:05,496 Yeah. Oh, no. 738 00:31:05,496 --> 00:31:06,931 I saw one of the comments or someone saying, 739 00:31:06,931 --> 00:31:09,100 don't actually show the download for it. 740 00:31:09,100 --> 00:31:11,102 Yeah, I just I may have broke it. 741 00:31:11,102 --> 00:31:12,170 So yeah. 742 00:31:12,170 --> 00:31:13,905 TikTok, you know, they're shady so it's fine. 743 00:31:13,905 --> 00:31:14,973 I'm shady with them. It's cool. 744 00:31:14,973 --> 00:31:17,041 But you know who's not YouTube. 745 00:31:17,041 --> 00:31:18,243 Yeah, they are pissed. 746 00:31:18,243 --> 00:31:20,945 Oh yeah I got a strike I had it I did it before this. 747 00:31:20,945 --> 00:31:23,581 Actually, I did take a little class to try to remove that strike. 748 00:31:23,581 --> 00:31:25,316 And so I took a little class explaining like they did. 749 00:31:25,316 --> 00:31:29,520 Like it was really like a driving class, but it was like eating drivers in. 750 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:31,789 I took driver's ed for YouTube. I did it this morning. 751 00:31:31,789 --> 00:31:35,460 and so in July I got that strike removed from the account. 752 00:31:35,593 --> 00:31:36,761 I can only get three and then you're out. 753 00:31:36,761 --> 00:31:38,997 But I was like, for real, guys? 754 00:31:38,997 --> 00:31:42,333 I posted all kinds of crap on there that, you know, I whatever. 755 00:31:42,333 --> 00:31:43,635 I guess you can't technically show. 756 00:31:43,635 --> 00:31:45,870 Delta's thing is really cool because it's. 757 00:31:45,870 --> 00:31:48,840 Clean so. Much that that's on there. 758 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:50,508 Have you what have you played on there so far? 759 00:31:50,508 --> 00:31:52,443 So far I've done Tetris. 760 00:31:52,443 --> 00:31:53,912 Of course he's done Tetris. 761 00:31:53,912 --> 00:31:55,647 That's the only thing I did the first. 762 00:31:55,647 --> 00:31:56,981 Did you really get on? 763 00:31:56,981 --> 00:31:59,951 Did this one? I did Kirby's Dream course. 764 00:32:00,118 --> 00:32:01,753 I love Kirby, I love everything Kirby. 765 00:32:01,753 --> 00:32:04,022 So Kirby's dream course is just. It's a racing. 766 00:32:04,022 --> 00:32:05,189 Yeah, it's a golf game. 767 00:32:05,189 --> 00:32:07,859 Oh, I thought the oh dream course. Okay. Yeah. 768 00:32:07,859 --> 00:32:10,762 And so I tried that and it was super fun to do it that way. 769 00:32:10,762 --> 00:32:12,997 I actually set it up so I have it on my iPad 770 00:32:12,997 --> 00:32:14,999 and then I use a Bluetooth controller with it. Yeah. 771 00:32:14,999 --> 00:32:18,002 So it's basically like a mini console so I can take it wherever I want to. 772 00:32:18,136 --> 00:32:19,170 Which is really. Nice. 773 00:32:19,170 --> 00:32:21,906 And it's pretty. Compatible with a lot of different widget controllers. 774 00:32:21,906 --> 00:32:24,142 Yeah, you're able to play with a N64. 775 00:32:24,142 --> 00:32:27,645 I'm sorry, it's for X-Box or the PlayStation five. 776 00:32:27,645 --> 00:32:29,547 Controllers can hook to your phone so you can do that. 777 00:32:29,547 --> 00:32:32,684 I even have a mount that goes on the PS5 and Xbox controllers that hold my phone. 778 00:32:32,684 --> 00:32:34,519 Yeah, and I could play any Nintendo game. 779 00:32:34,519 --> 00:32:36,321 And you know, there's going to be once for PlayStation, whatever. 780 00:32:37,622 --> 00:32:39,991 it runs, N64 games. 781 00:32:39,991 --> 00:32:41,993 It runs Gamecube games. 782 00:32:41,993 --> 00:32:43,995 I have, Diddy Kong, of course, as well. 783 00:32:43,995 --> 00:32:46,264 I said no Doug Franks to to grab that. 784 00:32:46,264 --> 00:32:50,368 But I also have I was playing Pokemon Fire Red on there like a dream 785 00:32:50,435 --> 00:32:52,503 better than the graphics. Of course, this is all released. 786 00:32:52,503 --> 00:32:53,705 have you seen the video people? Now? 787 00:32:53,705 --> 00:32:57,108 They actually, stream their screen to their big screen TV. 788 00:32:57,108 --> 00:32:58,676 and then they use them. 789 00:32:58,676 --> 00:33:00,144 That makes so much sense. 790 00:33:00,144 --> 00:33:03,281 So there's people with like AT&T TVs playing Pokemon Emerald. 791 00:33:03,281 --> 00:33:05,883 Oh my God, the future is now, guys. Yeah. 792 00:33:05,883 --> 00:33:07,251 I know what Frank's doing when he gets on. 793 00:33:07,251 --> 00:33:10,154 I mean, I'm trying to, like, we have until five today. 794 00:33:10,154 --> 00:33:11,155 Yeah, I. 795 00:33:11,155 --> 00:33:12,690 Was just going to sleep. Well, maybe tomorrow. 796 00:33:12,690 --> 00:33:15,360 Tomorrow? Yeah. I'm sleeping after this. Yeah. 797 00:33:20,565 --> 00:33:20,999 Hey, everybody. 798 00:33:20,999 --> 00:33:23,101 We're here now with Kevin from Coble Tactics. 799 00:33:23,101 --> 00:33:25,169 How are you today? I'm good, I'm good, it's good. 800 00:33:25,169 --> 00:33:26,371 How are you doing? I'm doing good. 801 00:33:26,371 --> 00:33:29,173 Now you're showcasing your game here at the Capitol Creative Showcase. 802 00:33:29,173 --> 00:33:31,409 Can you explain a little bit of what your game is like? 803 00:33:31,409 --> 00:33:32,310 Yeah, sure. 804 00:33:32,310 --> 00:33:33,911 So, a couple tactics. 805 00:33:33,911 --> 00:33:36,914 It is a fantasy themed tactical roguelike. 806 00:33:37,248 --> 00:33:39,984 So, it's about, mostly 807 00:33:39,984 --> 00:33:42,987 planning and strategy is a large part of the game. 808 00:33:43,321 --> 00:33:47,492 it's about, getting together like a large band of, different, 809 00:33:47,492 --> 00:33:51,396 like, party members that you can equip with different kinds of weapons and items. 810 00:33:52,296 --> 00:33:53,264 you can like custom equip. 811 00:33:53,264 --> 00:33:55,033 Do you want these guys to have bows? 812 00:33:55,033 --> 00:33:56,100 Joining me sword. 813 00:33:56,100 --> 00:34:00,805 if you, look for like, casters specifically, you can give them like, 814 00:34:00,805 --> 00:34:04,008 they can get spells you can equip for, for skills and stuff. 815 00:34:04,442 --> 00:34:07,745 So it's kind of about building your own strategy, you know, 816 00:34:07,779 --> 00:34:11,049 do you want to get bunch of, meat shields and just throw them at it? 817 00:34:11,416 --> 00:34:13,718 You want to focus on a bit of healing? 818 00:34:13,718 --> 00:34:17,288 Do you want to get like, a whole bunch of back liners and just, 819 00:34:17,288 --> 00:34:20,291 get high movement characters so you just never get hit? 820 00:34:20,892 --> 00:34:21,626 there's there's a lot 821 00:34:21,626 --> 00:34:25,129 different strategies, elements to it that you can go with. 822 00:34:25,496 --> 00:34:29,367 It's, it's a little bit similar to, games, kind of like Fire Emblem, 823 00:34:29,667 --> 00:34:30,401 I would say. 824 00:34:30,401 --> 00:34:35,640 Well, yeah, a little bit, in the tactical like large party of, of different guys. 825 00:34:36,841 --> 00:34:37,542 but a little bit. 826 00:34:37,542 --> 00:34:40,545 Right. Some stuff like that where. 827 00:34:40,545 --> 00:34:42,180 Yeah, stuff like that or Xcom. 828 00:34:42,180 --> 00:34:43,614 Xcom is a really good example. 829 00:34:43,614 --> 00:34:43,981 Okay. 830 00:34:43,981 --> 00:34:47,118 and the those games 831 00:34:47,118 --> 00:34:50,521 where you like have different units, it's kind of important to keep them alive. 832 00:34:50,521 --> 00:34:54,125 For instance, there's a whole system where every time that someone lives, 833 00:34:54,692 --> 00:34:57,361 they'll level up and you can recruit them again. 834 00:34:57,361 --> 00:34:58,930 So not only are 835 00:34:58,930 --> 00:35:02,366 you not as much at the whim of RNG, which the roguelike element helps with, 836 00:35:02,733 --> 00:35:07,572 but it also, allows you to, like, get more powerful over time with it. 837 00:35:07,572 --> 00:35:10,208 Yeah, but they also scale in cost. 838 00:35:10,208 --> 00:35:15,213 So you don't necessarily have to like, commit to it fully 839 00:35:15,513 --> 00:35:17,381 because, you know, if you do, the high cost 840 00:35:17,381 --> 00:35:21,752 means you're spending most your resources on maintaining these guys versus maybe 841 00:35:22,153 --> 00:35:25,256 if the guys you're you're working on don't have the high stats, you might go, 842 00:35:25,456 --> 00:35:28,459 it's not really worth the cost to keep putting in into them, 843 00:35:28,726 --> 00:35:31,429 and you might decide, maybe I can wolf or something about it. 844 00:35:32,830 --> 00:35:33,764 and each one's unique. 845 00:35:33,764 --> 00:35:37,201 we're going to have challenges you can do kind of like, 846 00:35:37,201 --> 00:35:40,271 the way that Hades does their, their job systems 847 00:35:40,605 --> 00:35:43,774 where you can, like, put on different difficulty modifiers, making them harder. 848 00:35:44,475 --> 00:35:47,011 a good example is your main guy, your hero, 849 00:35:47,011 --> 00:35:50,014 the one guy you start with who's your always mate, your mainstay? 850 00:35:51,883 --> 00:35:53,251 there's, one of the challenges is 851 00:35:53,251 --> 00:35:57,054 if he dies, you instantly lose the run. 852 00:35:57,054 --> 00:35:58,756 It's just so resets. 853 00:35:58,756 --> 00:35:58,956 Yeah. 854 00:35:58,956 --> 00:36:00,191 and you get extra 855 00:36:00,191 --> 00:36:04,162 meta currency, these gore points you can use for all kinds of cool stuff. 856 00:36:04,162 --> 00:36:08,166 You can, unlock new types of units that and show up in the random generation. 857 00:36:08,232 --> 00:36:12,069 you can unlock new item slots so that it becomes easier 858 00:36:12,436 --> 00:36:14,939 because you will get more unlocks available each run. 859 00:36:16,140 --> 00:36:18,309 it's a lot of cool stuff, like some of it's cosmetics. 860 00:36:18,309 --> 00:36:22,046 you can if you get like, x number of kills, 861 00:36:22,613 --> 00:36:24,849 a certain type of enemy you can have, like, 862 00:36:24,849 --> 00:36:28,786 or it's number of deaths or kills and get like a skin for one of your current guys. 863 00:36:28,819 --> 00:36:29,921 It looks really cool. 864 00:36:29,921 --> 00:36:32,423 There's, there's cool stuff like that in front. 865 00:36:32,423 --> 00:36:33,858 It's not like you put a lot into this game. 866 00:36:33,858 --> 00:36:34,992 How long have you been developing it? 867 00:36:34,992 --> 00:36:37,728 Yeah. well, we've been developing. 868 00:36:37,728 --> 00:36:38,529 It's not me alone. 869 00:36:38,529 --> 00:36:39,330 I want to clarify this. 870 00:36:39,330 --> 00:36:42,333 There's once a team of, like, 871 00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:43,668 5 or 6 of us. 872 00:36:43,668 --> 00:36:46,270 They're like, mainstays at the moment. 873 00:36:46,270 --> 00:36:50,374 but we've been developing it for, a good couple years now. 874 00:36:50,608 --> 00:36:53,010 Oh, yeah. Actually, how many more years do you think you are in? Yeah. 875 00:36:54,779 --> 00:36:56,280 there's many years it takes. 876 00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:57,815 That's an open ended question, isn't it? 877 00:36:57,815 --> 00:37:00,351 Yeah, yeah, it's as many as it takes, really. 878 00:37:00,351 --> 00:37:03,888 Because, like, this isn't a project that, like, we're 879 00:37:04,222 --> 00:37:07,091 we're like doing as, like a sponsorship or something. 880 00:37:07,091 --> 00:37:09,994 This is, it's we're pulling it by the bootstraps right 881 00:37:09,994 --> 00:37:13,064 now, you know, and it's, we're doing in our free time. 882 00:37:13,297 --> 00:37:16,200 We've all got like our own lives going on. 883 00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,469 some of us are in college, we're just graduating from college. 884 00:37:18,469 --> 00:37:23,140 Some of us have like, full time careers, in, like, other fields. 885 00:37:23,507 --> 00:37:25,109 And we're just devoting the rest of our time 886 00:37:25,109 --> 00:37:29,013 to this project because, honestly, we we really wanted to. 887 00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:31,082 Yeah, I guess you kind of. 888 00:37:31,082 --> 00:37:34,352 It came out of a long form, nine month 889 00:37:34,352 --> 00:37:38,522 long game jam event here with, Sacramento Developers Collective. 890 00:37:38,522 --> 00:37:38,889 Yeah. 891 00:37:38,889 --> 00:37:42,026 So it came out of that sort of game GM spirit. 892 00:37:42,426 --> 00:37:44,829 It's kind of just evolved into this 893 00:37:44,829 --> 00:37:47,999 fully fleshing out project that we've just committed ourselves 894 00:37:47,999 --> 00:37:50,635 to keep going with because we've got to the end. Nine months, we went, you know, 895 00:37:51,636 --> 00:37:52,570 why do we need to stop here? 896 00:37:52,570 --> 00:37:55,206 We want to keep going. This is a cool project. Yeah. 897 00:37:55,206 --> 00:37:57,842 And so you guys just kept pushing the community forward. 898 00:37:57,842 --> 00:38:00,077 Did you guys actually meet there at the Game Jam? 899 00:38:00,077 --> 00:38:01,779 Yeah, yeah, we did. Yeah. 900 00:38:01,779 --> 00:38:05,583 So we, we met up in person for the first meeting for 901 00:38:05,583 --> 00:38:07,818 for talking about it for it wasn't just us. 902 00:38:07,818 --> 00:38:08,819 It was a bunch of people 903 00:38:08,819 --> 00:38:12,690 because they had like, like pitching and or made different ideas. 904 00:38:13,190 --> 00:38:15,259 And then the most popular ideas got voted on 905 00:38:15,259 --> 00:38:17,461 and the teams kind of got like formed around that. 906 00:38:17,461 --> 00:38:19,797 So that was how we found our team. 907 00:38:19,797 --> 00:38:22,800 and the person who pitched it, Dan Daniel Todd, 908 00:38:23,334 --> 00:38:27,071 he's the lead, our lead project manager, and he's also the artist for us. 909 00:38:27,071 --> 00:38:30,241 And he, he does phenomenal pixel art this game. 910 00:38:30,241 --> 00:38:33,110 It's it's the reason why it looks the way it's gorgeous. I was already looking. 911 00:38:33,110 --> 00:38:35,313 I could links to everything guys. So you guys could go around 912 00:38:35,313 --> 00:38:37,982 and check it out, but you're showing some of it online. 913 00:38:37,982 --> 00:38:40,151 I believe it is the Red Dragon, if I remember correctly. 914 00:38:40,151 --> 00:38:43,120 It was gorgeously done. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 915 00:38:43,254 --> 00:38:45,790 So the game over there seems like it's going to be building 916 00:38:45,790 --> 00:38:48,526 your characters to be able to be more efficient and stuff like that. 917 00:38:48,526 --> 00:38:50,494 Is there any of the game loops that you've been putting into the game? 918 00:38:52,263 --> 00:38:52,563 yeah. 919 00:38:52,563 --> 00:38:55,466 So there's there's also, skills a little bit. 920 00:38:55,466 --> 00:38:57,935 So it's it's not just about efficiency. 921 00:38:57,935 --> 00:39:00,104 It's also about trying out new things. 922 00:39:00,104 --> 00:39:00,404 Okay. 923 00:39:00,404 --> 00:39:04,141 So each character you know, like I mentioned before, 924 00:39:05,042 --> 00:39:08,012 they as they level up, they'll get new skills. 925 00:39:08,012 --> 00:39:10,247 And those skills can be pretty powerful. 926 00:39:10,247 --> 00:39:13,284 So but there's a lot of ways you can go about the game 927 00:39:13,284 --> 00:39:17,221 because you don't have to necessarily go with, oh, I'm going to keep leveling up. 928 00:39:17,221 --> 00:39:18,856 The same for you guys. You might. 929 00:39:18,856 --> 00:39:21,459 And it lets you try out a few things at a time. 930 00:39:21,459 --> 00:39:25,363 You might go, I'm going to level up like this one fighter and this one cleric. 931 00:39:25,363 --> 00:39:26,530 We're going to see how this goes. 932 00:39:26,530 --> 00:39:27,098 And then you kind of 933 00:39:27,098 --> 00:39:30,534 learn the specifics of that class and that one way of playing it. 934 00:39:30,868 --> 00:39:35,439 But you might also have a run where you just get a lot of kobolds, for instance. 935 00:39:35,539 --> 00:39:37,341 And, there's race perks too. 936 00:39:37,341 --> 00:39:40,344 So like the race perk for kobold is that they're really cheap. 937 00:39:40,611 --> 00:39:43,013 You don't get any other buffs, but they're really cheap. 938 00:39:43,013 --> 00:39:45,483 So you might have one run where you're like, screw it. 939 00:39:45,483 --> 00:39:49,220 I'm just going to take like 15 guys because I can afford it, right? 940 00:39:49,854 --> 00:39:51,288 Army of them. 941 00:39:51,288 --> 00:39:51,522 Yeah. 942 00:39:51,522 --> 00:39:53,724 Like none of them are super strong. 943 00:39:53,724 --> 00:39:55,292 But I have a lot. Yeah. 944 00:39:55,292 --> 00:39:59,196 So it's it's that kind of thing of it's not just necessarily 945 00:39:59,196 --> 00:40:00,431 oh I need to plan, optimize. 946 00:40:00,431 --> 00:40:04,034 There's, there's room for creativity and messing around. 947 00:40:04,468 --> 00:40:05,403 How do you balance that. 948 00:40:05,403 --> 00:40:07,872 Because there's so many games that struggle with that. Yeah. 949 00:40:07,872 --> 00:40:12,443 So I think the way that we balance it is mostly around the, 950 00:40:12,443 --> 00:40:16,914 the encounters themselves are built with, it's, 951 00:40:17,148 --> 00:40:19,316 it's funny because it's like the roguelike element, 952 00:40:19,316 --> 00:40:21,585 it has a bit of randomization in itself 953 00:40:21,585 --> 00:40:25,022 where the different characters that are generated in each, mission 954 00:40:25,022 --> 00:40:28,025 you play have their own, like randomized stats. 955 00:40:28,426 --> 00:40:31,695 And so the difficulty is going to vary a little bit from time to time. 956 00:40:31,996 --> 00:40:35,566 But I think the main difficulty comes from like the number of enemies 957 00:40:35,566 --> 00:40:37,668 that are present rather than their specific stats. 958 00:40:38,836 --> 00:40:41,839 there's also like a general a generic term for like 959 00:40:41,972 --> 00:40:45,609 there's the normal guys are like your typical peasants and villagers that fight. 960 00:40:45,676 --> 00:40:46,010 Yeah. 961 00:40:46,010 --> 00:40:49,380 And then there are the heroes and the heroes have their own class system 962 00:40:49,814 --> 00:40:53,083 that is like their own set of skills that are they kind of mirror 963 00:40:53,451 --> 00:40:55,753 your own abilities, essentially. 964 00:40:55,753 --> 00:40:58,756 And so those are like the powerhouses that kind of show up. 965 00:40:58,756 --> 00:41:02,426 And so it's it's less about like bouncing about like, 966 00:41:02,426 --> 00:41:04,128 oh my gosh, what are the players going to do. 967 00:41:04,128 --> 00:41:04,328 Yeah. 968 00:41:04,328 --> 00:41:08,632 And it's more about bouncing about what do we do this like an overall 969 00:41:09,233 --> 00:41:13,537 fear difficulty that, you know, it's not necessarily 970 00:41:13,537 --> 00:41:17,875 something that's going to like completely obliterate you on the first couple tries. 971 00:41:17,875 --> 00:41:19,610 Unless it's like later in the game 972 00:41:19,610 --> 00:41:22,313 you're like like the the late levels are going to be really tough. 973 00:41:22,313 --> 00:41:24,648 So three levels are approachable is the idea. 974 00:41:24,648 --> 00:41:27,985 So that way you never get in a place where you're like, man, 975 00:41:27,985 --> 00:41:31,322 I tried the strategy and I died on the first level and that sucks. 976 00:41:31,322 --> 00:41:35,092 I guess I can't use that strategy and like there, 977 00:41:35,159 --> 00:41:38,863 there will be some of that in like, oh, I died in like the third level. 978 00:41:38,863 --> 00:41:39,296 Dang. 979 00:41:39,296 --> 00:41:42,733 But it's it's not like I can't try this in the first place. 980 00:41:42,733 --> 00:41:45,069 You know, it's like there's 981 00:41:45,069 --> 00:41:48,372 so that that's come with the balancing I think come to the most of that 982 00:41:48,572 --> 00:41:52,409 that design work though for how the levels are structured and 983 00:41:52,443 --> 00:41:56,313 the planning around it is from, Chris, Chris Jensen, he's really a designer. 984 00:41:57,014 --> 00:42:00,484 There is also one other thing that I forgot about until now, 985 00:42:00,651 --> 00:42:04,488 I forgot to mention, there's there's secondary objectives. 986 00:42:04,922 --> 00:42:08,292 And this is kind of a catch for if you have like 987 00:42:08,292 --> 00:42:11,295 a week of strategy or week or team and you're falling behind, 988 00:42:11,795 --> 00:42:14,798 it's, it's cool because it has like, it's a risk. 989 00:42:14,932 --> 00:42:16,500 What's a reward risk? 990 00:42:16,500 --> 00:42:18,769 Losing your risk reward. This is a reverse. 991 00:42:18,769 --> 00:42:22,473 it makes the mission easier because instead of having 992 00:42:22,473 --> 00:42:25,910 to beat everyone on the field, you can kind of rush down this objective. 993 00:42:25,910 --> 00:42:29,079 Like the first level is you're trying to loot this carriage. 994 00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:33,117 So instead of beating everyone and then taking the carriage 995 00:42:33,117 --> 00:42:36,620 like you're asked to do, you can just blow up the carriage. 996 00:42:36,854 --> 00:42:37,254 Yeah. 997 00:42:37,254 --> 00:42:38,856 And the carriage is like a fully interactable 998 00:42:38,856 --> 00:42:40,491 object in the game is what we're going to do. 999 00:42:40,491 --> 00:42:42,960 So you can you could just attack it directly. 1000 00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,529 And if it runs out of health, it's likely to fire damage. 1001 00:42:45,529 --> 00:42:48,232 It runs out of health. You just win the fight. 1002 00:42:48,232 --> 00:42:53,037 But the downside is Red Dragon gets mad at you 1003 00:42:53,037 --> 00:42:56,040 because he says you weren't supposed to destroy, you're supposed to loot it. 1004 00:42:56,073 --> 00:43:00,010 And he says on your next mission, you get less gold to work with. 1005 00:43:00,411 --> 00:43:04,481 So in the short term you get pay off, but in the long term makes a little harder. 1006 00:43:04,481 --> 00:43:06,483 So it's kind of like it's this, 1007 00:43:07,618 --> 00:43:07,885 it's like a 1008 00:43:07,885 --> 00:43:11,255 balancing of difficulty where if you have like a rough session, 1009 00:43:11,889 --> 00:43:15,693 like in 1 or 2 sessions, you can kind of like you know, 1010 00:43:15,693 --> 00:43:18,729 finagle it so you still make your way through and you're kind of squeaking by. 1011 00:43:19,029 --> 00:43:20,064 So it makes things more tough. 1012 00:43:20,064 --> 00:43:22,333 But it's not like you instantly lose a run. Right? 1013 00:43:22,333 --> 00:43:24,234 Even though it kind of snowballs a bit over time. 1014 00:43:24,234 --> 00:43:28,505 It's not like the effects stack, but it's just you having the next mission 1015 00:43:28,505 --> 00:43:31,508 harder means you're more inclined to go for the secondary again. 1016 00:43:31,709 --> 00:43:32,676 Yeah, the final mission. 1017 00:43:32,676 --> 00:43:37,147 The final boss doesn't have a secondary, so it's kind of like 1018 00:43:37,147 --> 00:43:40,551 you can usually consistently make it to the boss if you're really good. 1019 00:43:41,251 --> 00:43:45,289 It's just about it kind of adds a challenging way, 1020 00:43:45,289 --> 00:43:49,960 but it also makes it, balanced so that you'll at least get far in each run, 1021 00:43:50,427 --> 00:43:54,031 which is nice, because you at least feel like, man, I accomplished a lot of stuff. 1022 00:43:54,031 --> 00:43:59,336 I did good things, even if it ended up being more stacked in our final fight 1023 00:43:59,637 --> 00:44:01,805 because of the decisions you made and you recognize. 1024 00:44:01,805 --> 00:44:03,540 Yeah, this is because 1025 00:44:03,540 --> 00:44:06,677 the decisions I made as a player ended up putting me in the spot. 1026 00:44:06,677 --> 00:44:09,647 Because I chose to do secondary. I could have taken the risk to.