1 00:00:00,001 --> 00:00:02,120 (upbeat music) 2 00:00:02,120 --> 00:00:03,640 - Welcome to Comfort Zone. 3 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:07,000 This is a podcast all about pushing the host outside of there. 4 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:08,360 Well, Comfort Zone. 5 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:11,800 This episode is sponsored by ListenLater.net. 6 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:14,920 I'm Christopher Wally, a YouTuber and, well, now, 7 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:15,840 podcaster. 8 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:17,800 I'm joined each week by Matt Furchler. 9 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:18,960 Matt, how are you doing? 10 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:20,000 - I'm doing Splendid. 11 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:23,600 We're coming off WDC Week, which is tons of fun. 12 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:25,640 And I don't think we're really gonna talk about it 13 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:26,760 on this episode, so. 14 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:27,720 (laughing) 15 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:28,560 - Great. 16 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:31,720 - That's a nice thing about this show is it's not really 17 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:32,760 a tech news show. 18 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:36,760 It's kind of a tech news adjacent show 19 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:38,600 where we talk about stuff we like. 20 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:43,240 So we're also joined every single week by Neelion. 21 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:45,400 Neelion, how are you doing? 22 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:46,240 - All right. 23 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:47,240 It's been a week. 24 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:48,360 Yeah. 25 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:49,200 And you're right. 26 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:53,880 We are on own cycle here on Comfort Zone. 27 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:58,880 So, I had a realization after our second episode, 28 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:03,880 that I keep bringing a negative energy to my items. 29 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:08,880 I was a little down on the Vision Pro in episode one. 30 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:11,560 I was pretty down on perplexity last week. 31 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:14,520 And so, this week, I wanted to bring something 32 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:16,400 that I just enjoyed. 33 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:17,240 (laughing) 34 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:21,240 And thankfully, something came up that was new 35 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:23,840 and pretty cool. 36 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:27,680 And that is the theater app for the Vision Pro. 37 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:30,880 So, the app's called Theater. 38 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:34,840 It's from Sandwich, who's like an advertising company 39 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:37,360 and I was started doing some development. 40 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:39,360 They also make an app for the Vision Pro, 41 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:42,160 I think, called Television. 42 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:45,560 And the idea of both of these is basically, 43 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:47,720 you can take videos that you have 44 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:52,000 or that are on YouTube and watch them in this app, 45 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:53,080 in a theater. 46 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:54,200 They have a couple of theater, 47 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:56,200 like fully immersive theater environments 48 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:58,960 you can choose from and in their television app, 49 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:00,440 it's on a TV that you're gonna kind of place 50 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:01,960 in your room wherever you want. 51 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:04,840 And it's kind of cool. 52 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:06,080 The app is free. 53 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:07,640 So, if you have a Vision Pro, 54 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:11,000 you can just download it and check it out. 55 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:13,680 I think the free version lets you play video files 56 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:15,600 you have on your device, 57 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:19,560 as well as some pre-selected YouTube videos that they have. 58 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:22,320 But there's a $4 in that purchase, 59 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:24,640 if you want to unlock everything, 60 00:02:24,640 --> 00:02:27,440 which lets you watch any YouTube video, 61 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:30,560 unlocks a couple more theaters you can watch in 62 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:35,560 and will give you the like additional video sources, 63 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:37,560 video types in the future. 64 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:41,840 So I think they kind of implied that maybe immersive videos, 65 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:43,200 not distributed through Apple, 66 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:45,280 might be able to watch through here one day. 67 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:49,680 But yeah, so it's just a fancy way to watch videos 68 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:50,840 in your Vision Pro. 69 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:55,680 And from that perspective, it's kind of cool. 70 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:59,320 I don't know, Chris, you've got a Vision Pro. 71 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:02,120 Do you, I think you watch video on it? 72 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:03,480 Do you use the immersive environment? 73 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:06,960 So you just kind of have floating windows in your space. 74 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:09,440 - If I am sitting down to watch something, 75 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:11,920 so like I watched the first two episodes of Acolyte 76 00:03:11,920 --> 00:03:14,640 through Vision Pro, I did full immersive, 77 00:03:14,640 --> 00:03:18,160 did the Disney+ theater and watched it that way. 78 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:20,200 So definitely like that, 79 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:23,840 just because of my ADHD and like I'm not like looking around, 80 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:26,520 I'm focused on the thing at hand. 81 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:29,480 And like the nice thing about like obviously, 82 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:32,280 I love with somebody, so like I can just be focused on 83 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:35,720 the task at hand. 84 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:37,360 - Yeah, actually similar story for me, 85 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:39,520 I watched the first two episodes of the Acolyte 86 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:43,880 on Disney+, I did the Tatooine environment. 87 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:46,960 For whatever reason, I just really enjoyed 88 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:49,920 the more fantastical environments. 89 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:51,880 I find them just a little different. 90 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:54,480 - So yeah, I like the Tatooine one as well. 91 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:57,560 The nice thing, I was just wanting to try another one. 92 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:01,520 I usually I use the Tatooine one for all the Star Wars stuff, 93 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:03,440 but I just wanted to try the Disney+ theater 94 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:06,600 to kind of see if it was a different experience somehow. 95 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:08,480 I don't even know what I would mean by that, 96 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:10,200 but it was also very late at night. 97 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:11,200 And I just wanted to watch it. 98 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:12,480 It just got back from vacation 99 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:15,120 and was literally getting ready to go to WWDC. 100 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:16,600 It was the only time I was gonna have 101 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:18,280 to watch the Acolyte. 102 00:04:18,280 --> 00:04:19,720 So I just wanted to try that one. 103 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:24,440 But I like the Tatooine one and the Avengers tower one 104 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:25,280 is pretty cool too. 105 00:04:25,280 --> 00:04:28,080 There's a lot of fun Easter eggs and not. 106 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:31,840 - Yeah, I feel a little bit with these immersive environments 107 00:04:31,840 --> 00:04:36,160 were kind of in the early days of like iPhone app design, 108 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:39,720 the kind of skew morphism era where like, 109 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:41,200 oh, you would watch this in a theater. 110 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:44,840 So we're gonna make a 3D theater that you can sit in, 111 00:04:44,840 --> 00:04:47,440 but maybe that's, I don't know, I don't know if that's good 112 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:50,520 or if the more like places you could never go 113 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:52,720 and watch these things are more compelling. 114 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:55,800 But either way, this app is doing the kind of like, 115 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:57,520 let's simulate real life. 116 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:01,400 And I think that's good. 117 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:04,520 I think that it's well-executed, the theater looks good 118 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:07,280 and all that, but what was really interesting 119 00:05:07,280 --> 00:05:10,360 and the reason that I wanted to talk about it today 120 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:14,520 is that they did to launch the app kind of like 121 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:15,840 to get some buzz around the app. 122 00:05:15,840 --> 00:05:20,840 They also live streamed the talk show, 123 00:05:20,840 --> 00:05:24,160 John Groober's WWDC show that he's been doing 124 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:27,320 for many years now and they streamed it 125 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:31,920 in immersive video in the theater app. 126 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:36,920 And that was actually really, really cool. 127 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:40,200 More than I expected, I think. 128 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:44,600 So the setup they had looked like they were using 129 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:48,200 one of these new rigs that Apple, 130 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:50,280 I don't know if Apple invented or Apple worked with someone, 131 00:05:50,280 --> 00:05:52,040 whatever, these new rigs that Apple is using 132 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:55,080 for their immersive videos, they're using a similar rig 133 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:57,840 and they just had planted front and center 134 00:05:57,840 --> 00:06:00,440 in front of the stage where the show is happening. 135 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:03,760 And it didn't move, there were no cuts, 136 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:05,520 there like weren't multiple cameras 137 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:07,600 that it was switching between, it was just this one camera 138 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:11,160 right there and you could watch the show 139 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:15,080 as if you were sitting front row center at the theater 140 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:16,840 that it was actually happening in. 141 00:06:16,840 --> 00:06:20,800 And it was pretty low resolution compared 142 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:22,800 to what you're used to with live streaming 143 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:26,320 or any, it's easy to get a 1080p 144 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:28,600 very high quality live stream these days 145 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:30,880 on things like Twitch and YouTube and stuff. 146 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:33,160 But this was not as good, it was a lower quality, 147 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:36,120 it's a much bigger video file, I'm sure that's coming over. 148 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:40,800 But much lower quality, it was choppy most of the time, 149 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:44,320 like the animation was definitely not perfectly smooth. 150 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:48,520 But despite that, it was super compelling, 151 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:52,480 I kind of loved it, like I was, 152 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:54,160 they were making jokes on stage 153 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:57,560 and I was laughing at the jokes way more than I would, 154 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:00,200 I think if I was watching it just on YouTube, 155 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:03,280 like it felt more like I was at a live show, 156 00:07:03,280 --> 00:07:04,800 even though that technically there's tons of things 157 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:08,160 to improve, like it felt very real, 158 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:10,720 it felt like I was watching something 3D, 159 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:15,400 I was in the space and it's one of those things 160 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:19,000 where I shared a video, a screen recording of like 30 seconds 161 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:22,680 of it, we'll try to put that in the show notes. 162 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:25,200 And I don't think that captures the feeling. 163 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:27,720 I had people like saying, like, oh, the video doesn't look great, 164 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:29,240 it looks pretty choppy. 165 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:33,200 And like all of that is true, but like when you're in, 166 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:36,920 in the experience, it actually feels really, really good. 167 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:40,640 And I don't think I'd want to watch everything like this, 168 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:45,280 it was kind of awesome in a way that I didn't quite expect. 169 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:46,960 I thought it'd be okay. 170 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:49,760 And if I saw it like the, what the video quality was going to be, 171 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:52,800 I'd probably say, oh, it's kind of a bummer, but I loved it. 172 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:54,960 I thought it was really, really great. 173 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:59,120 Just to be clear, there was no one there with you, right? 174 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:01,720 No, so there was no one there with you. 175 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:04,400 You're in an empty theater. 176 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:06,400 So every other seat is empty. 177 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:10,000 The app does what you choose generally where you want to sit. 178 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:13,200 So there's kind of a grid with the nine seats. 179 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:16,080 So you can sit like left, middle or right, 180 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:19,760 and then front, middle or back of the theater. 181 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:22,080 The only one that made sense for this was front, middle. 182 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:22,880 Yeah. 183 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:25,600 So it's kind of like the TV's app immersive environment 184 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:30,000 where you can set theater mode and then like pick where you're sitting 185 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:33,360 in the theater part, like the very front or the balcony 186 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:35,120 or something like that. 187 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:35,840 Yeah. 188 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:38,080 I found with this one, 189 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:44,480 when immersive video works for me, it's when, in like the Apple ones, 190 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:47,520 it's when you feel like you are the camera. 191 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:49,840 Like it's a first person perspective. 192 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:55,200 And since the actual camera was kind of in the front row at the show, 193 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:57,680 that was the only seat that felt right to me. 194 00:08:57,680 --> 00:08:58,240 Yeah. 195 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:00,160 It's the only one where you were close enough to see the depth 196 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:02,000 and everything of the people on stage. 197 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:03,600 Because it is a 3D video. 198 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:06,880 Like you are seeing depth on stage and you can move around and everything. 199 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:09,840 But at the other seats, it was kind of weird. 200 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:12,560 It was kind of like watching a video on a screen. 201 00:09:12,560 --> 00:09:16,240 Whereas that front middle seat did feel like, 202 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:18,720 "Oh, I'm actually here in an empty theater." 203 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:21,120 But like I'm actually here. 204 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:22,640 Interesting. 205 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:24,720 I didn't go to the talk show this year. 206 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:28,320 I literally was that the day aired, I didn't leave Apple Park 207 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:30,720 until almost 6 o'clock and that's when the doors open 208 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:32,240 and traffic and everything. 209 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:34,640 It's normally a 10 minute drive from where Apple Park is 210 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:36,000 to the California theater. 211 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:37,760 It was going to be close to a 50 minute drive. 212 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:39,840 So by the time I got there and parked and everything, 213 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:40,800 I would have been late. 214 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:43,760 So I wasn't able to go, but I've been the last two years. 215 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:47,760 And it's a very different experience being in the theater 216 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:50,080 than listening to the podcast after 217 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:52,080 or watching it on YouTube or something like that. 218 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:56,480 So the fact that this was available to people this year is cool. 219 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:59,280 And definitely it's a proof of concept thing for sandwich. 220 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:03,520 Like I'm sure like them and Gruber worked out some kind of deal. 221 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:05,440 Like I don't know the details of it or anything. 222 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:08,800 But I'm sure they worked out some kind of deal. 223 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:14,640 Like hey, let us test our new technical proof of concept thing 224 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:17,200 and we'll livestream the talk show for you. 225 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:19,760 Because it was only available on Vision Pro. 226 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:22,080 Like I was like, oh, I can't make it. 227 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:24,720 Maybe I'll just download the app on my iPad and watch it that way. 228 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:26,400 Because I thought I was going to be able to do it that. 229 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:27,200 It's not. 230 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:28,960 Like it's just on Vision Pro. 231 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:30,480 So yeah. 232 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:33,440 Yeah, so definitely some marketing for them, 233 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:36,720 some some agreement, but like it was really cool. 234 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:39,360 And like you said, there is a difference between 235 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:44,000 being in the room during a live show and then listening to a recording afterwards. 236 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:47,600 Like podcasts or live shows like this. 237 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:53,520 And again, I'm going to keep saying it because I wouldn't believe it 238 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:56,640 if someone told me this, but I've done it now and I do believe it. 239 00:10:56,640 --> 00:11:01,520 Is I did get that feeling of being there. 240 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:06,720 And if I like was in it for a few minutes, I would feel like I was there. 241 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:10,000 And I would like laugh for long with the crowd as if I was there. 242 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:11,200 Which sounds so weird. 243 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:12,960 But is what happened. 244 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:17,200 And I think this is the sort of like thing that makes me more excited 245 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:21,200 about the Vision Pro than some of the things where I'm disappointed 246 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:24,480 in like how it's not the productivity machine that I wanted. 247 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:27,120 I think the more sorts of things we can get like this, 248 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:32,080 that give me an experience that I cannot get on my other devices. 249 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:36,800 I think it'll be just good for the product in the long run and hopefully make it. 250 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:38,560 Hopefully for Apple's sake make it a success. 251 00:11:38,560 --> 00:11:45,200 Nice. That's awesome. I'm really happy like this worked out for you. 252 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:47,520 I didn't bring my Vision Pro to WWDC. 253 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:51,360 I plan on putting beta 2 and all that stuff on it. 254 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:54,720 As soon as I basically get off this podcast, 255 00:11:54,720 --> 00:12:00,240 I'm going to load up the beta on it and play around with it. 256 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:02,720 But like I want to use it for more. 257 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:09,440 One of the things that's going to enable me to use it for more is actually in Vision OS 2. 258 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:13,200 The beta is keyboard pass-through because I'm a big environment user. 259 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:14,480 Like I love the environment. 260 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:18,960 Like if I just want to see the room around me, I'll just work on my iPad. 261 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:21,440 I love the environment because I have ADHD. 262 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:24,480 I'm able to block out the world around me and just focus on 263 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:25,600 the task at hand. 264 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:31,360 Now Vision OS 2 keyboard pass-through is a thing that's only for the magic keyboard. 265 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:33,200 Why do you keep doing this to me, Apple? 266 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:34,160 Like you're killing me. 267 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:36,160 There are other keyboards. 268 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:39,440 There are other much, much better keyboards. 269 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:41,440 But keyboards with USB-C. 270 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:51,040 Or keyboards with actual travel on the keys and customizable and proper mechanical 271 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:54,800 keyboards and not what you call your MacBooks keyboard. 272 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:59,200 You know they technically call the MacBook Pros keyboard a mechanical keyboard. 273 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:02,560 And I mean, technically it is, but it's not. 274 00:13:02,560 --> 00:13:05,760 Oh boy. 275 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:07,600 Well, I like my magic keyboard. 276 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:09,360 Just wanted to say it. 277 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:11,600 Okay, okay, no, it's fair. 278 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:12,480 That's fair. 279 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:17,200 We're there will definitely be a challenge where it's build a mechanical keyboard 280 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:18,880 and we're going to get you on our train. 281 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:20,640 Sure. 282 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:22,400 If you give me the money, I'm up for it. 283 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:24,960 Honestly, I will, I will send you the parts. 284 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:27,120 I, yeah, yeah, I'll do it. 285 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:28,160 Oh, yeah. 286 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:29,920 Chris is like, I am not lacking in parts. 287 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:36,960 I literally just bought big Costco storage bins to put all my excess mechanical 288 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:38,560 keyboard parts and stuff in. 289 00:13:38,560 --> 00:13:40,480 And because I was like, I don't know what to do with these. 290 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:43,200 I don't want to throw them out because I know I'll use them in the future. 291 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:45,360 And like it's good stuff. 292 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:46,880 But like I didn't know where to put them. 293 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:48,720 So yeah, it's a whole thing now. 294 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:53,120 So anyway, there's our, there's our WWDC talk that we promised we wouldn't do. 295 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:54,880 Terrible. 296 00:13:54,880 --> 00:14:01,520 It does sound good your universe where you guys have vision pros and immersive videos. 297 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:04,240 Sure would like that. 298 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:06,400 It's, it's coming soon to you. 299 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:08,560 Like, what, when does it launch in France? 300 00:14:08,560 --> 00:14:10,560 July 12th. 301 00:14:10,560 --> 00:14:11,520 I'm not getting it. 302 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:12,240 No. 303 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:17,520 But, but my question for you is, yeah, you'll be able to go to the store and like, 304 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:18,800 they'll have demos at the store. 305 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:20,560 Will you go to the store and do one of the demos? 306 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:21,520 Oh, yeah, I will. 307 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:22,000 Okay. 308 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:22,480 All right. 309 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:22,800 Cool. 310 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:25,360 Yeah, do the demo. 311 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:27,120 Yeah, I will. 312 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:33,920 I will have to take a train about one hour 30. 313 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:38,080 Oh, but then I'm there and I'm going to try it. 314 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:38,480 Okay. 315 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:38,960 All right. 316 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:39,440 Yeah. 317 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:42,480 I mean, it sounds like they have the time slots. 318 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:46,720 I mean, in at least in America, they're having a hard time filling up like all the demos and stuff. 319 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:49,760 And it sounds like they might be doing shorter and shorter demos now. 320 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:55,440 So you might actually, it may not be that hard for you to get like the full 30-minute demo that they've been doing. 321 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:57,200 So we'll stay tuned then. 322 00:14:57,200 --> 00:14:57,520 All right. 323 00:14:57,520 --> 00:15:01,040 So this week, I, well, I was at WWE DC. 324 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:02,320 I was in Cupertino. 325 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:05,120 I got their Sunday, left Thursday. 326 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:08,320 Literally, we're recording the day after I got back. 327 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:09,440 I am exhausted. 328 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:10,480 I am sunburned. 329 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:13,440 I am, I am just ready to take a break. 330 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:17,360 So, uh, but that whole time I was there. 331 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:23,120 I was running around, did some video stuff, did a bunch of briefings, met up with a bunch of people. 332 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:24,160 It was a great time. 333 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:27,360 But this year, I did something a little different than I normally do. 334 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:32,560 Normally, I bring a big vlogging mic and it's just attached to my camera and I run around. 335 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:35,360 And constantly, I'm just like, "Hitty record." 336 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:38,400 And it's this big shotgun mic that I'm just speaking into. 337 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:40,080 And the audio quality is fine. 338 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:44,720 But it picks up a lot of noise around you. 339 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:47,600 So before I left this year, I got this guy. 340 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:50,720 It's the DJI wireless mic system. 341 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:55,840 And what this is, is it's kind of, it kind of looks like a giant AirPods case. 342 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:58,480 What's cool about this is it has two microphones in it. 343 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:02,240 And a receiver and a bunch of adapters. 344 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:08,400 So the way this works is you have two love mics and they have magnetic attachments or clips 345 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:11,840 that you can put onto your clothes. And so you can attach the mics. 346 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:15,360 And the nice thing about love mics is you can get them really close to your mouth. 347 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:18,880 So that way, it's very, it's not picking up a lot of noise around you. 348 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:19,920 It's very focused. 349 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:23,040 So this was really nice system to have. 350 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:25,600 It's wireless, but there is a receiver. 351 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:31,440 So what I did is I put the receiver on my camera and there's a cold shoe mount adapter. 352 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:35,040 So basically, for those that aren't aware on camera systems, there are, 353 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:38,800 what's called cold, it's cold shoe and hot shoe. 354 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:40,320 And I never know which is the difference. 355 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:42,480 To be honest, I've been doing video stuff for most of my life. 356 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:46,480 And I still to this day don't know what the difference between a cold shoe and a hot shoe is. 357 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:49,440 But anyways, there's a shoe mount. 358 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:53,520 And you can saw there's an adapter on the receiver that you can click in there. 359 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:57,440 It slides onto the top, shows audio levels and stuff like that. 360 00:16:57,440 --> 00:16:58,320 Really nice. 361 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:02,240 And then there is a audio out cable. 362 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:09,200 So that way you can plug just a regular 3.5 millimeter cable into the receiver and into your camera 363 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:11,600 and it'll record straight to your video clips. 364 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:16,320 Or the two microphones have eight gigs of internal storage each. 365 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:18,800 So you can record locally to them. 366 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:20,720 It's something like 15 hours of audio. 367 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:23,200 Like 14 or 15 hours of audio you can record. 368 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:24,400 It was more than enough. 369 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:27,200 So this was a really great thing to have. 370 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:29,760 I was able to do quite a bit with it. 371 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:37,600 Like I was just able to record video, get clean audio. 372 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:40,400 One of the videos I did, it's on Apple Intelligence. 373 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:41,760 I just published it this morning. 374 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:45,440 I recorded in front of the Apple Park Visitor Center. 375 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:47,520 There are a ton of people around there. 376 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:49,200 In fact, when I was recording the video, 377 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:53,920 somebody was literally buffing the outside of the visitor center. 378 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:55,440 And they're like going right behind me. 379 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:56,560 I mean, they were doing their job. 380 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:57,760 Like it wasn't a matter or anything. 381 00:17:57,760 --> 00:17:59,760 I'm like, you got to do what you got to do. 382 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:03,920 But the mic did a good job of kind of cancelling that noise out 383 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:05,920 because it is directional. 384 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:08,640 And I did use some of the final cut features, 385 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:10,160 like noise removal and stuff like that. 386 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:11,680 Just to clean it up a little bit. 387 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:16,240 But the mic itself did a really decent job at cancelling out car sounds 388 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:18,240 and people talking and things like that. 389 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:20,880 Now what's nice about this mic system is 390 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:23,440 that there are adapters with this. 391 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:26,320 So if you don't have a camera system, 392 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:28,880 like I shoot with a Canon R5, if you're not using that, 393 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:30,560 say you're just using an iPhone. 394 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:34,160 It comes with both a lightning and USB-C adapters. 395 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:36,400 So you can plug that into the receiver 396 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:39,200 and then just plug the receiver right into your iPhone 397 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:42,240 and then use the microphones to record. 398 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:44,560 So that way you can be, you know, 399 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:48,160 you can put your iPhone on a tripod, be six feet away. 400 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:50,400 And these microphones go really far away. 401 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:53,520 Like it's like, I think I saw like it was like over 100 feet. 402 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:56,080 It might be close like 200 feet, something like that. 403 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:57,840 So you can be really far away. 404 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:01,200 I don't know why anyone would want to be that far away from the camera, 405 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:02,080 but you can. 406 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:05,120 And uh, demo. 407 00:19:05,120 --> 00:19:08,160 I guess, yeah, exactly. 408 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:11,120 The nice thing is you can plug it right into your phone. 409 00:19:11,120 --> 00:19:15,680 It will record right into the audio video that you're recording on your phone. 410 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:18,960 So you don't have to go back and sync up audio if you don't want to. 411 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:21,840 But again, you can record directly onto the mic. 412 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:25,280 The mics have USB-C, so you just literally plug your mic 413 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:28,480 into your computer and you copy those audio files over. 414 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:31,920 Really nice system. 415 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:33,840 Kind of a niche thing to bring to the show. 416 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:37,760 I promise I know last two episodes I brought like video stuff. 417 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:41,680 I promise this won't be every week, but I've just been covering an Apple event. 418 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:46,800 And uh, uh, yeah, like the video stuff is kind of my bread and butter. 419 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:49,680 These weeks when I'm doing these kinds of events. 420 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:52,080 So it's a really nice system to have. 421 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:56,000 It's definitely not going to replace like the mic that I used to record this podcast 422 00:19:56,000 --> 00:20:00,000 or the mic I have above me to record my traditional videos. 423 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,640 But if you're looking for like a travel mic setup, 424 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:03,840 this is not a bad way to go. 425 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:06,800 How do these travel? 426 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:09,760 Is there like a carrying case or anything? 427 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:12,000 Or are you just kind of like loosely tossing in a bag? 428 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:14,320 Yeah, so there is a case. 429 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:16,560 It's probably about like three size. 430 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:19,440 It's like three times the size of an AirPods Pro case. 431 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:23,040 And it works exactly the same like the lid lifts up. 432 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:24,800 It's a charging case for them. 433 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:28,480 So everything the mics, the receiver, the adapters, 434 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:31,520 they all go into this case, which is really nice. 435 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:34,160 And then there's a USB-C port on the case. 436 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:39,360 So you then just plug one USB-C cable into it and it handles charging everything. 437 00:20:39,360 --> 00:20:41,520 The case itself has a battery. 438 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:43,760 So um, say you're out and about. 439 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:45,200 You're doing a bunch of recording. 440 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:49,040 Uh, you're using the mics, the receiver, the battery dies on them. 441 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:54,160 You can just put them in the the the case itself and it'll charge all that stuff back up. 442 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:56,080 You don't have to plug them into power. 443 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:58,080 Okay. 444 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:00,640 And does the one that clips into the shoe, 445 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:04,720 does that get powered by the camera or no? 446 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:06,240 No, that has an internal battery. 447 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:07,280 Ah, okay. 448 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:10,560 So that the receiver, so that's the receiver. 449 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:12,640 And then there is the two mics. 450 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:14,800 All three of those have their own battery. 451 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:16,960 And then the case has a bigger battery. 452 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:22,320 And then you can charge, you can charge like the receiver and the mics individually if you want. 453 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:25,680 Um, and there's a version you can buy of this. 454 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:27,680 That's literally just a receiver and mic. 455 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:29,120 It doesn't have the case. 456 00:21:29,120 --> 00:21:33,760 But I would spend if I was you, I'd spend the extra money and get the case if you're interested in this. 457 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:39,360 Because you can literally just plug one cable into the case and it charges the whole system. 458 00:21:39,360 --> 00:21:44,000 Which is really nice and really convenient, especially when you're in a hotel, 459 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:46,720 trying to balance charging camera batteries. 460 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:51,520 Your devices, mics, Nintendo Switch, all sorts of different things. 461 00:21:51,520 --> 00:22:01,760 Yeah, like I use, I have the road wireless go to a system, which is like similar to this it sounds like. 462 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:02,640 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 463 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:08,240 But the things that bother me about this one, actually all three things you mentioned, 464 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:09,200 actually make it sound better. 465 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:12,480 I'm not going to buy it, but makes it sound better. 466 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:14,240 Is the carrying case is great. 467 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:15,600 These are just kind of loose. 468 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:19,920 So if I'm taking them somewhere, I'm just tossing them into a bag, which is annoying. 469 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:26,480 They do charge individually, but similarly, it does not charge 470 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:29,680 from the camera when it's plugged into that. 471 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:32,960 I was really hoping that would be a thing because sometimes that dies on me and I'm like, 472 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,360 "Oh, I forgot to charge the thing on the camera." 473 00:22:35,360 --> 00:22:39,520 And then the magnets, the magnets actually would be really, really great. 474 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:42,400 These guys only have clips to clip onto you. 475 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:48,000 And a magnet would be so much better for the sorts of t-shirts that I wear. 476 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:53,280 It would be a lot easier than trying to clip it up to my neck or just randomly in the middle. 477 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:56,640 Those all sound good. 478 00:22:56,640 --> 00:23:02,720 I'm sure it costs way more than the road ones, but it's $250 for the version that I got. 479 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:07,120 There's a cheaper version without the carrying case, but the carrying case definitely makes a big 480 00:23:07,120 --> 00:23:10,800 difference because like you said, it's not loose stuff because these things are small. 481 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:13,200 Like the mic is small, the receiver is small. 482 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:15,200 All the adapters are really small. 483 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:17,840 So just throwing those at a bag, that's a good way to lose them. 484 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:22,160 So the case itself is really nice, like even the charging capabilities aside. 485 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:27,040 And the really nice thing is the case has an LED light, like battery indicator on the front. 486 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:28,720 So there are four lights on the front. 487 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:32,080 So it'll tell you like how much battery life is left on the carrying case. 488 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:36,720 And as soon as you put the mics in the receiver in the case, 489 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:38,320 it starts charging them right away. 490 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:40,960 You don't have to put them in a specific mode or anything like that. 491 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:43,280 It works just like AirPods in that instance. 492 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:46,480 Yeah, that's very convenient. 493 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:48,960 These guys have zero indicator what their battery is. 494 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:54,400 That is not something I would use for a professional workflow. 495 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:58,160 I am not a professional video maker. 496 00:23:58,160 --> 00:23:58,960 Yes, you are. 497 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:00,640 You absolutely are. 498 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,200 A scrappy video maker. 499 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,040 Okay, yeah, we're all scrappy. 500 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:08,080 Every person that does video has to be a little scrappy. 501 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:09,520 That's true. 502 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:10,720 That's true. 503 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:11,360 Yeah. 504 00:24:11,360 --> 00:24:14,240 Chris, I have two questions about the mic. 505 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:20,240 First, is it one of those mics that you can hold up to your mouth, 506 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,640 like one of those tiktokers nowadays? 507 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:24,880 And it looks ridiculous. 508 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:26,720 That's the question. 509 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:27,280 That's it. 510 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:32,400 So technically, yes, you can. 511 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:33,280 Just like any mic. 512 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:34,880 I mean, technically you can hold any mic. 513 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,920 I mean, you always see those people now with SM7Bs. 514 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:40,960 Yeah, but does it look like the tiktok vibe? 515 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:47,680 It is 100% the same mic all the tiktokers use that they hold it instead of clipping it onto their... 516 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:50,320 I do not get why they just don't clip it onto their shirts because 517 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:53,280 when you hold it, you're moving your arms. 518 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:57,040 So you're getting uneven audio because you're moving the mic further away from your mouth. 519 00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:58,800 You're bringing it closer to your mouth. 520 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,600 I don't get that trend drives me nuts. 521 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:02,640 I don't get it. 522 00:25:03,120 --> 00:25:04,960 I do not understand it. 523 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,680 These come with a magnet. 524 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,400 It's super easy to just clip to anyone's shirt. 525 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:13,840 Or you can mount it someplace or whatever. 526 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:17,360 Or it has the clip option a traditional loft mic would have. 527 00:25:17,360 --> 00:25:19,600 But the magnet system is really nice. 528 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:24,400 So yes, it is the mic that all the tiktokers and YouTube short people 529 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:26,080 that are using in their hand holding it. 530 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:30,080 But I have never and we'll never use it that way. 531 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:31,280 That is my promise to you. 532 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:35,920 And they don't have a variant that looks like a tiny little microphone 533 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,160 that you can hold up to your mouth. 534 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:39,440 All right, those are the best. 535 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:39,680 Yeah. 536 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:43,280 Oh, the ones where people are like pinching it. 537 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:44,880 It's like the loft mics. 538 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:46,960 But they're like pinching the clip thing. 539 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:48,400 I especially don't get that. 540 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:49,680 I'm like, what are you doing? 541 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:53,040 You look like you're holding this little dainty thing. 542 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:54,560 Like, what are you doing? 543 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:56,400 I don't know. 544 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:57,040 Some people. 545 00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:58,800 Perfect. 546 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:01,920 I really wanted an excuse to have your opinion on that. 547 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:03,200 That's good. 548 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:11,520 Next up, you talked about plugging into the iPhone directly. 549 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,400 How is iOS handling that? 550 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:15,600 Is that all right? 551 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:20,080 Yeah, iOS has handled external mics really well for a really long time. 552 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,320 It does a really good job. 553 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:25,760 I haven't used it for any production stuff, but I've done some tests with it. 554 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:29,200 I tried it with the built-in camera app and my pick last week, 555 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,680 Kino as well. I tried it with that as well. 556 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:32,720 And it worked fine. 557 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:37,120 The audio from the microphones and from the receiver gets baked into the video. 558 00:26:37,120 --> 00:26:39,920 So it's using that mic and not the iPhones mic. 559 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:41,520 So it's really nice. 560 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:46,400 So if you're, you know, like I said, putting your iPhone on a tripod and standing six feet away 561 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,800 or in Nenelyon's case, I believe that's about two meters. 562 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,120 Thanks. 563 00:26:51,120 --> 00:26:51,920 Yeah, no problem. 564 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:54,080 I did, hey, I did that conversion on the fly. 565 00:26:56,320 --> 00:27:02,880 You're getting much better audio than you would get if you were using just the iPhones mics. 566 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:07,200 So if you're even somebody that's doing just like iPhone videography or something like that, 567 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:08,720 this might be something to look into. 568 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:10,800 Nice. 569 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:15,840 And for comparison to the, I was using the Road VideoMic Pro Plus. 570 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:20,800 That was all the stuff I was using for travel videos before I got this system. 571 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:25,760 And that mics like 400 bucks and that's this like big shotgun mic that has to sit on the top 572 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:29,280 of your camera. It has its own independent battery system. 573 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,760 It uses micro USB to charge. 574 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,240 It's really annoying to travel with. 575 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,960 This is so much nicer to travel with. 576 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:38,800 This is basically replaced that. 577 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:43,920 I will probably look for somebody to give that the Road VideoMic Pro Plus too. 578 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:49,200 And a bit once I am positive these DJI wireless mics have proven themselves. 579 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:53,600 Yeah, micro USB is a deal breaker in 2024. 580 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:57,520 The only thing worse than micro USB is micro HDMI. 581 00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:58,800 And that's on my camera. 582 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:04,160 And we were, I was a little late to the recording because I was dealing with micro HDMI issues. 583 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:06,640 I hate that port so much. I hated. I hated. I hated. 584 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,440 Why can't it? 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went downhill last week. 614 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:11,120 So I tried out two accessories by Switchbox. 615 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:11,920 You know that brand. 616 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:14,000 Yes. 617 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:14,800 Very familiar. 618 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:15,040 Yeah. 619 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:18,960 I've heard of it many times and never tried it. 620 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,600 It's actually pretty cool. 621 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:25,520 So I got actually a few months ago. 622 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:29,360 I already got the Switchbot Hub 2. 623 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:30,320 Yeah, that's the name. 624 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:32,480 Switchbot Hub 2. 625 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:33,120 Yeah. 626 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:41,920 And what it does is it's a temperature sensor, a humidity sensor, and it's got a light sensor as well. 627 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:42,560 All in one. 628 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:47,040 And it has a neat trick up its sleeve. 629 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:51,680 It can trigger IR 630 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:55,120 appliances, infrared appliances. 631 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:59,200 So anything that you can control with a remote, basically a classic remote. 632 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:07,920 So what I did is enroll my AC using this. 633 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:11,440 So now I can control my AC in the home app. 634 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:13,520 Using that hub. 635 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:17,120 I also got the Switchbot bot. 636 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:18,320 So it's just the bot. 637 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:21,600 It's the initial product that gave birth to the company, I guess. 638 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:26,000 And that's a little thing that you stick on top of a 639 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:31,200 or any button really, even the light switch on the wall. 640 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:34,720 And it's got a tiny arm that's so cute. 641 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:36,640 And which one it does. 642 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:41,040 It's got a tiny arm that comes out and presses the button. 643 00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:41,920 For you. 644 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:47,360 And you can program the bot so that it has multiple modes, basically. 645 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:50,480 It can work with one whale switches. 646 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,680 So if it's just a press. 647 00:31:53,680 --> 00:32:00,160 Or if it's a rocker that has two positions, it can also trigger that as well in both positions. 648 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,000 So that's really neat. 649 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:06,560 Yeah, I'm really happy with these two products. 650 00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:07,440 They work really well. 651 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,960 There is one issue though. 652 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:14,720 And that's where it's maybe going downhill again. 653 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:15,200 Oh, no. 654 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:21,440 Switchbot doesn't have in any of their product 655 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,960 native home kid support, right? 656 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:28,480 So you have to use their app, their iOS app. 657 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:35,200 But recently, the Switchbot Hub 2, the one I got, 658 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:38,080 got Matter support. 659 00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:39,040 So that's good news. 660 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:46,160 Yeah, it means you can enable it in the app and it will show up in the home app, 661 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,960 like any home kid accessory accessories. 662 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:52,160 So that's the matter idea right here, 663 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:53,760 committing a clutch, I guess. 664 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,880 That works. 665 00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:00,240 Although it is so buggy guys. 666 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:04,480 Switchbot gets you act together or something. 667 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:09,440 Oh, I don't know if it's Switchbot, if it's their fault, 668 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:12,560 or if it's the matter support that's garbage in general, 669 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:17,120 like the matter standard is garbage in general, I don't know. 670 00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:22,480 I've only had a couple of other matter accessories, 671 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:24,880 which are EVE products. 672 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:32,240 So smart outlets, which I can upgrade to matter using the EVE app. 673 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:36,240 And I worked well, although there's absolutely no point in doing that, 674 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:39,360 if everybody in your house just uses home kid. 675 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:40,880 But yeah. 676 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:44,640 So yeah, Switchbot's matter support is garbage. 677 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:45,680 It doesn't work. 678 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:51,280 There's a huge latency between when you press the button in the app 679 00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:55,120 and when the bot or the hub actually does something. 680 00:33:55,120 --> 00:34:01,760 So I wanted to go another route to add these two 681 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,560 devices in the home app. 682 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:06,640 I wanted to leverage my home bridge, 683 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:12,240 instance that's on my server in the living room. 684 00:34:12,240 --> 00:34:17,360 I guess I can talk another time about the server in the living room. 685 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:21,200 I think I mentioned it, but it was on the secret pilot episode. 686 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,800 So nobody's heard that. 687 00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:28,880 But yeah, I have a server in the living room with a home bridge on it. 688 00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:33,120 And there's a plugin for Switchbot accessories that you can install, 689 00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:40,080 which adds home kid compatibility to your Switchbot accessories that works 690 00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:44,320 a lot better than the native matter support. 691 00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:49,680 There's a lot of downsides, of course, because you have to set it up. 692 00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:50,880 It's not super easy. 693 00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:56,640 You have to read through a bunch of documentation on the GitHub page. 694 00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:01,280 So that may not be the most welcoming place for everyone. 695 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:05,760 But once you're done setting it up, it works. 696 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:07,680 So well, there's no latency. 697 00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:12,560 I believe it's just using the Switchbot native API. 698 00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:13,600 So that's why it's so fast. 699 00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:20,400 Yeah, so I compared a home bridge home made plugin. 700 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:25,120 And the company's native home kid support via Matter. 701 00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:30,320 I'm afraid the home made stuff works better. 702 00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:37,440 The open source amateur thing is better than their actual service. 703 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:38,080 That's not great. 704 00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:38,960 I'm shocked. 705 00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:40,400 I'm shocked, I say. 706 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:43,760 Impossible. 707 00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,800 I don't know, guys. 708 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:53,920 I think over the past few years, I've been extremely disappointed by the promise of matter. 709 00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:54,480 I think it's a... 710 00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,560 It's an excuse to get into this for me. 711 00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:06,480 But yeah, there was this promise that everybody would make products that works with everything. 712 00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,960 I don't know. 713 00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,600 It's not been the dream. 714 00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:14,960 There's a few matter products I have. 715 00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:20,960 And they work worse than just dedicated home kit devices. 716 00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,360 If they go through matter, 717 00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:28,800 one thing I am interested in is so for iOS 18... 718 00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,760 Well, all the OS updates that have home app support, 719 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:37,120 it looks like they're getting the new matter, standard, new matter update later this year. 720 00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:41,200 So it's going to bring robot vacuum cleaners and stuff to the home app. 721 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:42,480 Which I'm excited about. 722 00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:48,160 But I am like, yeah, is this going to work worse than just going into the native app for my 723 00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:49,280 robot vacuum cleaner? 724 00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,520 Or is this because I would love... 725 00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:53,520 I want everything to be in the home app. 726 00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:58,320 Like I have home bridge installed so I can get everything in the home app as well. 727 00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:03,040 But matter is... 728 00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:08,880 Matter is the promise to the people that are wandering the desert without any water. 729 00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:10,880 And they went, "Uh, just getting... 730 00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,360 We don't have any water for you. We have Mountain Dew." 731 00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:18,480 So... 732 00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:18,720 Yeah. 733 00:37:18,720 --> 00:37:21,360 So Matt, are you... 734 00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:22,240 Matt, are you... 735 00:37:22,240 --> 00:37:22,800 Mattur. 736 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,840 Well based on this conversation, I am Matt. 737 00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:30,240 Good connotations. 738 00:37:30,240 --> 00:37:31,760 Tidal. 739 00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,000 So... 740 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:35,760 So what? 741 00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:36,480 So this little... 742 00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:38,800 Switchbot bot. 743 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:40,560 Yeah, it's a little... 744 00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:41,760 That's the best thing. 745 00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:42,960 It's a little box. 746 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,760 It looks like you stick it to like anything... 747 00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:46,560 You stick it to the wall. 748 00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:47,040 Yeah. 749 00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:48,960 Or anything really, yeah. 750 00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,520 Yeah, they've got it like hooked up to a coffee maker 751 00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:53,200 in one of their photos. 752 00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:54,000 Yeah. 753 00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:55,040 What... 754 00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:56,640 So what are you using it for? 755 00:37:56,640 --> 00:38:01,280 And now that you have it, are there other things you're looking around like, 756 00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,440 "Oh, I could use Switchbot on that." 757 00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:05,680 Yeah, so... 758 00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:11,600 Yeah, I'm using it for something very specific in our living room. 759 00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:13,520 So we don't own our place. 760 00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:21,440 So we can't just replace things that are built into the apartment or something like that. 761 00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:25,200 So we have a bunch of smart lights in the living room, of course. 762 00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:34,640 But there are ceiling lights, which are tiny LEDs that are speckled on the ceiling. 763 00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:43,920 Imagine the grid of, I don't know, 12 or 16 LED lights, LED spots on the ceiling in our living room. 764 00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:48,880 And those you can only trigger using the wall switch, right? 765 00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:50,400 The built-in wall switch. 766 00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:54,240 We don't want to replace the wall switch to make it smart and make it show up in the home kit. 767 00:38:54,240 --> 00:38:56,240 So that's perfect. 768 00:38:56,240 --> 00:39:00,960 I just stuck the tiny bot on the light switch. 769 00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:02,640 And that's it. 770 00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:03,120 It works. 771 00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:05,200 The thing is that... 772 00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:13,120 And that's something really important, I think, is that you can still use the physical button. 773 00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:19,360 It doesn't prevent you from using the physical button. 774 00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:23,440 The bot is out of the way when you're not using it. 775 00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:28,080 So yeah, we can still press the button on the wall and it works. 776 00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:31,920 Yeah, I think that is like my... 777 00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:37,200 After I've been doing home automation stuff for years. 778 00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:44,160 And I think the thing that I realized at some point is if you're going to have a light, 779 00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:50,480 for example, that's smart, you need to have a way to just switch it on and off manually as well. 780 00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:54,720 You can't make your phone or your voice be the only way to do that. 781 00:39:54,720 --> 00:39:56,800 Because otherwise you're going to get frustrated. 782 00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,200 Your partner's going to get frustrated. 783 00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:00,000 It's going to be... 784 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:00,320 Yeah. 785 00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:02,080 It's even worse when they get frustrated. 786 00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:04,160 Because you set it up and you're like, "Oh, it'll be so easy." 787 00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:07,760 And then if it's not, they're like, "You said it would be easy." 788 00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:08,560 And it's not easy. 789 00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:10,880 How dare you? 790 00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:16,080 So yeah, anything like this that where the switch is still available, I think is really cool. 791 00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:17,200 I have something... 792 00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:20,320 It's a little different to this, but I have something that kind of like... 793 00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:25,200 For my living room, I have a similar situation where there's a switch that controls all the ceiling lights. 794 00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:29,680 And it goes on top of the switch so that you... 795 00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:32,640 It's like a button that goes on top of the switch. 796 00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:33,840 So you can't actually switch it. 797 00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:34,960 The switch is always up. 798 00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:36,000 It's always on. 799 00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:36,640 But there's... 800 00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:40,400 It is basically a smart button that'll toggle it between on and off. 801 00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:41,680 For you. 802 00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:42,960 And it has like a dimmer and everything. 803 00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:44,080 I'll try to find a link to that. 804 00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:44,880 It's on Amazon. 805 00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,600 But I'll try to find a link to that for the show notes. 806 00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:49,520 Because I've had a lot of luck with that. 807 00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:53,840 And it definitely improved our old situation, which was all smart. 808 00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:55,840 Like, it has to have to do it through the phone. 809 00:40:55,840 --> 00:41:00,240 And yeah, that improved our quality of life quite a bit. 810 00:41:00,240 --> 00:41:01,440 Yeah. 811 00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:02,240 It's really nice. 812 00:41:02,240 --> 00:41:06,960 As somebody that used to be a renter and used to live by myself, 813 00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:10,880 I used to be able to do all sorts of weird stuff, 814 00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:15,360 but I wasn't able to drill holes in the wall or replace things. 815 00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:18,320 So I did a lot of Phillips Hue stuff, 816 00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:20,640 but I would put the Phillips Hue lights, 817 00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:23,200 which is on the walls as well and use those. 818 00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:26,400 But now that I own a house, 819 00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,440 I am going down the Lutron Kassada route. 820 00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,240 And I'm going to save this for a future episode once I finished the project. 821 00:41:32,240 --> 00:41:34,400 I literally just started ordering everything, 822 00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:36,480 but I didn't want to start installing it. 823 00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:38,720 And then leave for WWDC. 824 00:41:38,720 --> 00:41:41,440 And like, my girlfriend not be able to turn on lights. 825 00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:49,040 Because that would not lead to a happy relationship if that was to happen. 826 00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,280 And like, the other thing too is like, 827 00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,520 my girlfriend's mom stays with us quite a bit. 828 00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:55,840 So she's not a techie person at all. 829 00:41:55,840 --> 00:42:00,000 She's the very, very non-technical, which is totally fine. 830 00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,640 But that means I can't have her be like, 831 00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:05,840 oh yeah, in order to turn on the lights in the living room, 832 00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:11,200 you need to yell at the assistant in the home pod to turn on the lights. 833 00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:13,760 Now, there needs to be a light switch that she can hit. 834 00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:17,440 So the Lutron Kassada stuff is really interesting to me. 835 00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:22,160 You need to be comfortable doing a little bit of electrical work 836 00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:23,840 or hire somebody to install it. 837 00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:29,120 Yeah. I think the other thing, the hub too, 838 00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:34,800 it kind of feels really, really smart. 839 00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:39,840 And I guess that's their way of doing things, switchpot. 840 00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:45,840 The fact that you can just program IR commands. 841 00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:50,080 And the way it works is you launch the app 842 00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:55,360 and you enroll a type of device. 843 00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:56,880 So in my case, I was an AC. 844 00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,760 And it's going to guide you, right? 845 00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:03,040 It's going to say, all right, point your remote, 846 00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:06,800 your physical remote at the hub and start pressing buttons. 847 00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:11,120 And you can assign commands to each IR command. 848 00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:15,040 And yeah, it's because, and becomes a smart device. 849 00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:16,480 And it's a really smart way of doing things. 850 00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:19,600 So I guess the way it works is that the hub too has 851 00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:23,360 a IR, an IR emitter. 852 00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:26,320 And it replaces your remote basically. 853 00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:28,000 Nice. Yeah. 854 00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,160 I'm trying to think what I would use that for. 855 00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:32,960 I know this was a thing that like Android phones had for a long time. 856 00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:35,520 I think they called it an IR blaster, 857 00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:38,080 where you could do a similar thing. 858 00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:40,640 And then I think those died off eventually. 859 00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:46,240 But it would, it does sound like a cool way to automate things that are not smart. 860 00:43:46,240 --> 00:43:50,640 Like my TV does not connect to any smart home, 861 00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:56,080 anything's, but it would be kind of cool if I could ask Siri to turn on my TV. 862 00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:56,880 Wow. 863 00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:00,720 Like, well, do you have an Apple TV plugged into your, to your TV? 864 00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:05,520 I do. I do. Okay. So do you have CEC on your TV? 865 00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:11,760 I do. It does do that, but it's, oh, yeah, it doesn't work all the time. 866 00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:17,280 It's slightly annoying, but yeah, it's as reliable as Siri likes to be, I would say. 867 00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:24,080 See what's interesting from my TV setup is the TV works just fine with CEC. 868 00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:26,320 My issue is my sound system. 869 00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:30,400 For some reason, when I moved, I'm literally using the same cables. 870 00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:33,760 There is nothing different. The sound system is even plugged into the internet. 871 00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:38,960 But for some reason, all of a sudden CEC is not working right with the sound system. 872 00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:41,120 But it works fine with the TV. 873 00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:42,960 And it worked fine at my old place. 874 00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:44,480 Like it worked perfect at my old place. 875 00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:48,720 It would turn on with the, like if I turn on the Xbox or the Apple TV or something, 876 00:44:48,720 --> 00:44:50,160 it would turn on the sound system. 877 00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:52,240 If I turned it off, it would turn that off as well. 878 00:44:52,240 --> 00:44:54,400 But now it doesn't always turn on. 879 00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:56,560 Sometimes it does. Sometimes it doesn't. 880 00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:58,720 Sometimes it turns off. Sometimes it doesn't. 881 00:44:58,720 --> 00:45:02,800 Sometimes it just stops responding and you can't control the volume until you go up 882 00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:04,480 and unplug the thing and plug it back in. 883 00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:08,240 It's getting replaced because it's driving me wild. 884 00:45:08,240 --> 00:45:15,440 And more importantly, it's driving my girlfriend wild. 885 00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:17,280 And that's the reason why it's really getting replaced. 886 00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:18,560 Yeah. 887 00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:21,120 That's the result I'll tolerate a lot. 888 00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:27,040 All right, when's the challenge? 889 00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:27,680 I can't wait. 890 00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:32,400 Challenge challenge challenge challenge challenge. 891 00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:33,360 Maybe on challenge. 892 00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:34,960 It was your challenge. 893 00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:36,160 What did you make us do? 894 00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:44,480 All right, I asked you and myself to revamp your doc on your main device. 895 00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:46,800 Nice. 896 00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:52,640 Who would like to go first on who, what'd you do to your doc? 897 00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:53,680 Let's start with Matt. 898 00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:54,320 Matt, what'd you do? 899 00:45:55,840 --> 00:46:01,680 Okay, so you've successfully chosen what is likely the most boring answer. 900 00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:09,600 So last week we agreed I would do my phone, which admittedly 901 00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:14,320 kind of restricted me to how crazy I could get because I only get four icons. 902 00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:22,880 At the start of the week, right after we stopped recording, I empty-dock my doc 903 00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:25,760 and tried using my phone. 904 00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:29,760 And I forget exactly what was in my doc before. 905 00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:32,480 I think it was messages, ivory from acetone, 906 00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:36,640 overcast, and YouTube. 907 00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:38,000 Those are the four apps I had in there. 908 00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:42,160 And I took them all out and I was like, let's see what I actually need in there. 909 00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:43,840 Like, what do I want my phone to be? 910 00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:46,800 What do I find myself like accessing quickly the most? 911 00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:49,920 So let's just make the most utilitarian doc possible. 912 00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:56,320 So I am back to four icons in my doc and three of them have changed. 913 00:46:56,320 --> 00:47:00,880 Messages is still there. 914 00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:06,800 Messages has been at the bottom left of my phone for a decade and it's never going to move. 915 00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:09,760 I just do too much to messages and I need it to be there. 916 00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:11,760 So messages has not moved. 917 00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:16,000 But I did make some other changes to the other ones. 918 00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:23,360 So ever since we started working with Mac stories, I'm suddenly an avid Discord user. 919 00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:28,640 I have so many messages going through Discord now and I moved Discord, 920 00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:31,760 which I don't love, but I need. 921 00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:34,640 I moved it into my doc because it is, 922 00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:39,280 something I'm constantly going into, into a couple of servers. 923 00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:45,280 So that's moved in there and that's made me use Discord a little bit more, which is nice. 924 00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:49,120 I also moved podcasts into there. 925 00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:51,680 So Apple podcasts instead of overcast. 926 00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:58,560 I think it's because I just really love how beautiful the podcast app is. 927 00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:01,200 I love the discovery in there. 928 00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:07,840 I find more shows browsing through their kind of browse page than I do anything else. 929 00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:11,280 This is also maybe a bigger topic. 930 00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:14,640 With overcast, I feel like I need to listen to everything. 931 00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:16,320 I need to be a completionist. 932 00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:19,520 Whereas in podcasts, the podcasts come in. 933 00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:20,880 If you listen to them, you listen to them. 934 00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:21,840 If you don't, you don't. 935 00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:23,520 It's not a big deal. 936 00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:28,800 And so I'm trying to see if I can handle that more casual podcast experience. 937 00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:31,440 I don't know if I will, but it's a challenge. 938 00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:32,560 So I'm giving it a go. 939 00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:39,280 And then the fourth icon in my doc is Reader, which is an RSS reader. 940 00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:41,200 And this is the one that I've used for many, many years. 941 00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:42,480 But it's never been in my doc. 942 00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:47,280 And it took the spot that I've rehabbed. 943 00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:53,200 So when I would typically go to social media to see if I could find something interesting, 944 00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:58,720 now my muscle memory is taking me to my RSS reader, where it will still be clickbait stuff. 945 00:48:58,720 --> 00:49:04,400 But it will be at least longer form higher effort, things that usually make me happy. 946 00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:06,720 So that's what I've been trying to do. 947 00:49:06,720 --> 00:49:11,760 I tried to get wild with shortcuts or maybe there were apps that I could put in there, 948 00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:14,960 where a long press would trigger these fancy actions. 949 00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:18,560 And no apps do anything interesting with that. 950 00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:21,600 So I couldn't really make a launcher in my doc. 951 00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:23,360 I was kind of thinking I could. 952 00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:28,640 But yeah, I just kind of turned it into what are the core things I want from my phone. 953 00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:36,160 And that was messaging people, listening to podcasts, and reading the news, blogs, 954 00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:38,720 fun articles, that sort of thing. 955 00:49:38,720 --> 00:49:43,840 And I think I like it. I don't know if Discord will stay there forever, but it has been, 956 00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:48,960 it's been making it easier for me to stick up to date with everything going on. 957 00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:53,840 My Discord server is so, yeah, I would say it was not very painful, ultimately, 958 00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:56,400 because I did not get that adventurous, I think. 959 00:49:56,400 --> 00:50:00,640 Well, I think you did a good job. 960 00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:04,480 I like that you swapped out apps. That's good. 961 00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:11,600 I fully agree with Apple podcasts being really good these days. 962 00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:21,520 And I want to say that on the more superficial note, the Apple podcast icon is really good. 963 00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:27,360 I like that it's colorful, saturated, it's got a nice gradient. 964 00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:30,560 And yeah, I like it. It's good icon. 965 00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:35,840 Yeah, it's very good. And they added a whole bunch of, again, this is not a WWDC episode, 966 00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:41,040 but they did add in iOS 18, which I'm running on all my devices, dangerously. 967 00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:48,080 They added a whole bunch of little kind of nice UI features that just make using the app even better. 968 00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:52,640 And then the transcripts are great. It's super awesome. 969 00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:59,920 So, yeah, it's an underrated app, I think, on an Apple's ecosystem, although it's super popular, 970 00:50:59,920 --> 00:51:03,760 so it's not that underrated. But amongst nerds like us, it might be underrated. 971 00:51:04,720 --> 00:51:09,360 So, the device I did was my main device, which is obviously my iPad Pro. 972 00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:12,320 Like, that's the device I worked from. 973 00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:18,640 So, when we initiated this challenge, it was before WWDC. It was the Friday before. 974 00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:24,160 When we completed the challenge, it's after WWDC. So, just keep that in mind. 975 00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:30,400 So, my doc has looked like this and we're going to put links in the show notes so you can go ahead 976 00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:35,360 and go and look at them if you want. You can see my stuff, nearly on the bat. We'll have links in the show 977 00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:40,960 notes so you can go check them out. My doc has looked like this for probably at least the last year or so. 978 00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:46,160 Definitely since the action button came to the iPhone, because I think the last thing I swapped 979 00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:54,480 around was putting action cut in the doc. So, I have files, which files the icon has actually 980 00:51:54,480 --> 00:52:01,760 been swapped out for the Finder icon. This is still my old doc. I hate the files app icon with a passion. 981 00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:06,000 I think it's a bad icon. So, I swapped it out with Finder, which is a much better one. 982 00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:12,320 Now it looks like you're on the Mac. Exactly. Like, a lot of people think like, how did you get Finder 983 00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:17,680 on your iPad? I did not. It's files. It's just using the short method of replacing the app icon. 984 00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:23,280 You fixed the files app. Yeah, I fixed the files app. Yep, personally fixed it by just swapping out 985 00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:32,640 an icon. Yep, fixed it. I wish it was that easy. Then I have Safari, Mail, Things, Fantastic 986 00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:41,200 Al, Obsidian, Drafts, Good Notes, Reader, Range drop.io, Final Cut Pro for the iPad, Lightroom, 987 00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:48,960 Photoshop, Photos, Music, Messages, Ivory, Discord, for the same reasons Matt said, Shortcuts, 988 00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:54,640 Action Cut, and then it's the app library. One thing I did do a long time ago is I disabled the 989 00:52:54,640 --> 00:53:00,480 recent apps. If you do that on the iPad, if you disable the recent apps in the doc, and you actually 990 00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:06,400 get three more spaces to put apps, so it brings it up if you have the 13-inch iPad for a total of 18 991 00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:13,520 apps that you can fit in the doc. I use all of that space. That's kind of my old one. You guys can go 992 00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:24,400 ahead and click on the After doc link in our show notes. Things look similar. I didn't swap out any apps 993 00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:30,560 for, you know, I just couldn't. There are apps I want to put in my doc, but I'm on the beta for them, 994 00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:34,880 and they haven't officially been announced, so I can't put that in there because then I would 995 00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:41,600 leak them and I would feel bad if I was taking that away from the developers. In the After doc one, 996 00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:50,480 if it ever loads on my computer, see here. What you'll notice right away is I have iPadOS 18 installed 997 00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:57,360 on this iPad. This is my sacrificial iPad that I'm using for all my testing stuff this summer, 998 00:53:57,360 --> 00:54:04,640 not my production iPad, but the docs are the same. They just don't have the fancy new dark mode icons 999 00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:11,600 that I really like. The new dark mode icons in iOS and iPadOS 18 are really good, especially 1000 00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:18,400 photos and maps. Those two in particular jumped out to me right away and I just I absolutely love 1001 00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:23,520 those. Music looks good. I just I really like the dark mode icons. Have you guys seen those yet? 1002 00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:34,480 I am not a fan of all of them, but some are great. Like you said, the photos app 1003 00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:40,800 looks really really good in dark mode. The icon looks really good in dark mode. But you said the 1004 00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:48,640 maps app, the maps one, I like the maps one. The maps icon, it looks it looks bad. Really, I like it. 1005 00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:56,960 I actually just added the negative filter on top of it. I guess I guess I don't know. I just I think 1006 00:54:56,960 --> 00:55:04,240 it looks kind of interesting. I like it, but yeah, it looks pretty good. I'm with the Chris. I 1007 00:55:04,240 --> 00:55:09,840 think it looks pretty good. I like we said last week, I will be shocked if we ever all agree on 1008 00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:14,640 something, which is kind of the thing I love about this show. It's absolutely the thing I love about 1009 00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:21,840 this show. But I like the dark mode icons. The other thing I did is to kind of match the theme. 1010 00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:26,720 Obviously third party apps haven't updated to support the dark mode icons stuff. Like it was 1011 00:55:26,720 --> 00:55:32,960 literally announced on Monday. There's no way they could have updated. I mean, they're not even 1012 00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:38,800 allowed to use the new API stuff and submit that to the app store until September. So what I did is on 1013 00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:46,960 icons that support multiple app icons I went in and purposely picked ones that had black backgrounds. 1014 00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:54,080 The ivory one is the one I've always used. I switched my raindrop.io one to one with a black background. 1015 00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:58,560 I changed the discord one to like this kind of cosmic dark one that looks really good. 1016 00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:06,800 But I didn't go in and do any like icon theming for any of the other stuff. I just didn't want to. 1017 00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:14,400 The only app that I do that for is files because again, I hate that app icon so much. I will deal with 1018 00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:19,280 the shortcuts bar that shows up at the top every time because of how much I understand reasonably 1019 00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:28,080 hate that files. Yes. But so I kind of did that. And then I also went in and the last app icon in my 1020 00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:34,080 doc is a shortcut called action cut. This is a I made a video about this. Basically, it's a shortcut 1021 00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:39,440 that I designed for the action button on the iPhone, but I use it on my iPad and it looks at what 1022 00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:46,160 focus mode I'm in and gives me different shortcuts depending on which focus mode I'm in. So it kind of 1023 00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:52,320 it adapts to whatever situation I'm in. So like if I'm in my personal shortcut, it'll show me stuff 1024 00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:58,880 like laundry timer. But if I'm in my work show shortcut, it'll show me stuff like new video projects 1025 00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:04,880 and stuff like that. So it kind of like adapts for me. I really like it. It's a shortcut I've been using 1026 00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:12,560 ever since I got my hands on the iPhone 15 Pro. But the other thing I did is I put a folder in my doc 1027 00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:18,000 and I have not used folders on the iPad for a really long time because I don't like the way they work. 1028 00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:23,360 I don't like the fact that when you tap on a folder, it literally takes up the whole screen of the 1029 00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:30,560 iPad. Like everything else gets blurred out. You see this grid of like, I think it's 16 apps in a 1030 00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:36,480 folder that you can do or on a single folder page. And that's all you can see. Like it just takes up 1031 00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:41,840 the whole thing. I think there would be a much better way to design that UI. It's not good, but I was 1032 00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:46,320 like, you know what? There's a lot of small utilities I've been using lately that I like have to use 1033 00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:51,040 Spotlight to get into or add them to stage manager or something like that. Let me try like putting a 1034 00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:56,960 folder in the doc. So I put a folder in the doc and you guys can go into the show notes for this. And 1035 00:57:56,960 --> 00:58:06,640 there is a link to the folder doc for or it's called folders for utilities. And in here I have shortcuts. 1036 00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:13,280 The new passwords app, the new calculator app notes an app called emulecio. I always pronounce it 1037 00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:19,280 wrong, but basically it's an app for stabilizing video, unsqueez, which is an app for upresing video, 1038 00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:26,640 or Ryan, which is the HDMI like capture card app that I use to like control my Mac and stuff like 1039 00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:31,200 that. Jump desktop, which is the app I use to remote into the Mac if I can't use a capture card. 1040 00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:36,960 Camo, which is a nice app for like video calls and stuff like that and doing like multi cam stuff. 1041 00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:44,160 The home app, floating player, overcast, runestone, working copy, the app store and settings. 1042 00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:50,080 So I've just kind of been using these as a way to like quickly add them to stage manager, 1043 00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:56,720 jump into those utilities when I need them. And it's been okay. I don't love it. I don't hate it. 1044 00:58:56,720 --> 00:59:05,200 I'm kind of ambivalent on it. I just don't like the way the folder UI works. I'm very used to 1045 00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:10,880 using spotlight to adding stuff to stage manager, because especially now since iPad OS 17, you can 1046 00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:15,840 just type the name and then shift click on something or shift or hit shift enter. And it'll add it 1047 00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:22,000 to this your current stage. So I'm very used to launching stuff that isn't in my doc via spotlight. 1048 00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:26,560 Is the folder really any better than using the app library? 1049 00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:32,800 I because I test a lot of apps because I have a lot of test flight stuff and I'm trying new apps 1050 00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:39,920 all the time. My app library is kind of a mess. And my problem with the app library is it's based 1051 00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:45,760 on the categories of apps, developers pick. And a lot of times developers pick categories that they 1052 00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:53,120 know their app will do good in. Not the category the app should be in like my classic example is 1053 00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:59,360 fair right. The podcast editing app is under the entertainment category for some reason and not 1054 00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:05,600 the creative category. And that just drives me wild because I absolutely will like think okay, 1055 01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:10,880 fair it's a creative app. So I'm going to go into that first and it's never there. So there's a lot 1056 01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:17,200 of use cases like that. And then there's stuff like test flight stuff where like test flight apps 1057 01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:21,600 don't go into those categories. They go into their own separate categories. So that folder becomes 1058 01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:26,720 a mess especially like in the summer. I just took all the test flights off my devices because 1059 01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:32,720 we'll start getting test flights for the new updates here really soon. So that's going to become a mess. 1060 01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:38,080 So I don't know if it's better for most people but in my case I think so. 1061 01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:50,160 Yeah, so I revamped in quotes my macOS talk. So let's look at my initial dark how it was a week ago. 1062 01:00:51,920 --> 01:01:01,840 My doc has been this way for months. I've not touched it in months. So in order there is a finder 1063 01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:11,440 of course which I can't change. Safari, fantastical, ivory, threads, messages, what's up? 1064 01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:21,600 Telegram discord, the home app, MIME stream, the main male client, podcasts, music, 1065 01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:28,000 they want photos pixel made of pro, figma, Apple notes, visual studio code, 1066 01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:34,880 GitHub, Obsidian and warp, warp is a terminal app. Then on the right side of the doc, 1067 01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:44,640 I've got two stacks. One stack is where my screenshots go. And the second stack is the default 1068 01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:54,080 downloads followed by the trashcan of course. So my doc is at the bottom of the screen which is the 1069 01:01:54,080 --> 01:02:07,840 correct place where docs go in general in life. Yeah, yeah. And so hear me out. And the issue is I 1070 01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:17,760 caught my first thought when going into this challenge to remember my doc was let's try to move my docs 1071 01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:25,040 on where else. Let's try to put it on site on the left side like Matt on the right side like weird 1072 01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:31,440 people. So I tried that. The issue is that if I put it on the left side of my display, 1073 01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:43,680 then it becomes horrible, horrible to switch my cursor to be on my second monitor which is on the left. 1074 01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:49,680 Okay. Yeah. Right. Because then the docs sits in the middle of the two. And 1075 01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:57,280 having the second monitor on the left means that your cursor doesn't bump on the wall when you 1076 01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:06,800 know when you go to the left. So that's an issue. And it became really hard to just click on things 1077 01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:13,440 in my doc. So I tried it to put it on the right side of the display. So now you can click 1078 01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:22,640 my second link in the show notes which is my newest version of my doc. The one I'm rocking right now. 1079 01:03:24,160 --> 01:03:32,080 The icons that are in there haven't changed much except for one thing. Actually two things. 1080 01:03:32,080 --> 01:03:41,040 One thing is I removed the threads up. So there's no thread up of course on on macroth. It's a 1081 01:03:41,040 --> 01:03:49,440 it's a web app. Right. It's a Safari web app to open the threads. So I removed that for my doc 1082 01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:56,400 because I don't use it that much and I'm kind of a thread's header. So I'm just trying to be more 1083 01:03:56,400 --> 01:04:02,880 positive. So let's not just not use it as much and I'm going to be fine. So I removed it from my doc 1084 01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:12,160 and let me just say guys when trying to remove anything else from my doc. I could not last an hour before 1085 01:04:12,160 --> 01:04:19,600 I put it back. So let me tell you which ones I tried to remove. I tried to remove the whole map. 1086 01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:27,680 There's a reason why I have the home app in my doc. Because oftentimes when I'm at the desk I just 1087 01:04:27,680 --> 01:04:37,280 want to control my lights in the lights that are on my desk the lights in the room and macOS does have 1088 01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:45,920 home widgets. They are so bad. I just never want to deal with those again. They are really buggy 1089 01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:53,520 and they are widgets. So it comes with the inconvenience of having widgets on macOS. They either on your 1090 01:04:53,520 --> 01:05:01,600 bestops you have to squash your windows away to see them or you are there in your notification 1091 01:05:01,600 --> 01:05:08,000 center and that's just a mess in and of itself. So yeah I like having a home app in the doc. 1092 01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:14,000 You can just quickly click it and control any lights and close it again. And the home app is actually 1093 01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:19,680 pretty good on macOS. It's just basically the same as the iPad app and it launches fast. 1094 01:05:19,680 --> 01:05:26,000 So I like having the home app in there. I try to remove it. I just couldn't. I put it back right 1095 01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:33,520 away after about an hour. Another app that I try to remove was day one. So day one is my journaling app. 1096 01:05:33,520 --> 01:05:40,880 I do a lot of journaling. I wrote about it on my story is actually one of Apple's journal app 1097 01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:48,800 came out came out and I really liked that one. The thing is I thought I could remove it from my dark 1098 01:05:48,800 --> 01:05:58,240 because even if I'm a big fan of journaling I don't write that much that often in the app. 1099 01:05:58,240 --> 01:06:04,240 Right. And we have it open all the time. I open the app basically every 1100 01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:12,400 this once a day at most but sometimes it's just barely two times a week or something like that. 1101 01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:20,080 So it's really not an essential app to have in my doc. But and here you're going to call me crazy 1102 01:06:20,080 --> 01:06:28,720 and that's all right. I want to have the day one app in my doc because I turned it yellow a few months ago. 1103 01:06:29,680 --> 01:06:38,240 The default day one icon is blue and I made a custom icon for it. I turned it yellow 1104 01:06:38,240 --> 01:06:47,360 because it looked nice in my dark right in the middle and it makes for a nice gradient between 1105 01:06:47,360 --> 01:06:57,520 the music app and the photos app. And if I remove it that nice city is gone and I could not bear it. 1106 01:06:58,320 --> 01:07:03,440 So I put it right back. I get it. I'm the person that replaced the files app I come with the 1107 01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:10,880 finder app because I just I want something that looks nice in there. So I'm I totally 100% get it. 1108 01:07:10,880 --> 01:07:20,400 Yeah. This is a little crazy but I do get it. All right perfect. So the other big change that I made 1109 01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:30,240 to my doc is I at the bottom of the doc I re-enabled the recent applications section. Yeah you can 1110 01:07:30,240 --> 01:07:36,240 on the macOS just like on ipad ways you can turn on that section at the end of the doc. So it's even 1111 01:07:36,240 --> 01:07:43,280 the bottom if it's on the side or on the right side if your doc is on the bottom side of your display. 1112 01:07:44,240 --> 01:07:54,320 And that section is actually pretty useful. I'm quite surprised. It means that apps stay in there if I 1113 01:07:54,320 --> 01:08:02,480 open them recently and if even if they're not open correctly and it's actually pretty useful. I 1114 01:08:02,480 --> 01:08:07,520 found that pretty useful to be able to just relaunch an app that I just used an hour ago or something 1115 01:08:07,520 --> 01:08:14,320 like that. So I would recommend turning it on if perhaps you turned it off because your old school 1116 01:08:14,320 --> 01:08:20,880 mac user and you're like none of that. I think it's I think it'd be useful. I'm not opposed to the 1117 01:08:20,880 --> 01:08:26,720 recent section. Like I would leave it on on the ipad if it if turning it off didn't give me more 1118 01:08:26,720 --> 01:08:32,400 spots to use in the doc because the doc on the ipad is limited like there's a cap to how many apps 1119 01:08:32,400 --> 01:08:38,640 you can put in there. So if it didn't give me more spots I would 100% leave it on but I would 1120 01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:45,360 rather have like the stuff that I really use a lot in the doc then like oh here's this random 1121 01:08:45,360 --> 01:08:51,200 utility that you use like once a week that you just opened. Chris now you have a second doc in your 1122 01:08:51,200 --> 01:08:58,560 doc with that folder. Yeah. So you're you're you're you're you're all in the thing I'm noticing. 1123 01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:04,800 Okay there's two things I'm noticing. Number one your custom figma icon is delightful. 1124 01:09:04,800 --> 01:09:12,800 Oh I didn't know that was custom. That's amazing. Yeah that's the icon made by Gavin Nelson I believe. 1125 01:09:12,800 --> 01:09:20,400 Okay. Yeah. I need to find a specific one on these good road page. I think if I remember right. 1126 01:09:20,400 --> 01:09:27,920 Okay. Well I'm looking for that after the show and then both of you have much bigger docs. 1127 01:09:28,640 --> 01:09:36,400 Then I ever use. So my doc on my Mac and my ipad are basically nothing. It's just the apps that I 1128 01:09:36,400 --> 01:09:45,440 currently have open. Which is very different from also you mean the number of icons in there. 1129 01:09:45,440 --> 01:09:52,880 Not the size. Yeah. Okay. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. The number of icons. So I have like three or four 1130 01:09:52,880 --> 01:09:59,840 icons on my Mac doc by default. And then as I open new apps they get they show up there. 1131 01:09:59,840 --> 01:10:06,880 I I guess I don't really use it as an app launcher necessarily. I tend to do that through 1132 01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:12,960 Raycasts. For me because I'm on the ipad having apps in the doc just makes it really easy to add them 1133 01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:19,200 to stage manager. Especially if I don't have a keyboard and trackpad attached. I can drag it 1134 01:10:19,200 --> 01:10:25,360 right up which that's why it's like the core apps I use are in the doc. So that way if I don't have 1135 01:10:25,360 --> 01:10:30,000 a keyboard and mouse attached I can just drag them up or tap them and jump between them really quickly. 1136 01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:37,040 It makes switching between apps a lot lot quicker on the ipad. But if I do have a keyboard and 1137 01:10:37,040 --> 01:10:43,040 mouse attached you most of the time like 95% of the time I will just use spotlight to either 1138 01:10:43,040 --> 01:10:48,960 launch an app or add it to stage manager. Even if it's in the doc like I will like if I'm adding 1139 01:10:48,960 --> 01:10:54,320 something to the stage say like I have ivory open and then I need to add I want to like check out 1140 01:10:54,320 --> 01:11:01,200 discord. I will just you know command space discord shift shift click or shift enter and just 1141 01:11:01,200 --> 01:11:06,880 it adds it to the space and it's a lot quicker than me going down to the doc dragging the icon 1142 01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:16,800 and dropping it into the stage. That makes sense. That makes sense. What I'm learning from this is that 1143 01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:24,880 we all have like very set in our ways docs and like like we're I'm going to guess all of us go back 1144 01:11:24,880 --> 01:11:31,920 to our original docs maybe except for like some custom icon stuff on my end like I don't want to 1145 01:11:31,920 --> 01:11:36,640 speak for you guys but like I'm probably going to leave the custom icon stuff but I think I might take 1146 01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:42,480 out the folder. I don't know I now that I'm thinking about it and like I love the way Matt phrase it's 1147 01:11:42,480 --> 01:11:51,920 a second dark and I kind of love that so I might just do that. Yeah it's a good concept. There's one more 1148 01:11:51,920 --> 01:12:03,200 thing the stacks at the end of the doc. Yeah so I'm used to having two stacks a screenshot stack 1149 01:12:03,200 --> 01:12:12,240 and the downloads folder stack. I believe the downloads folder is there by default. Yeah okay so I 1150 01:12:12,240 --> 01:12:21,200 just yeah I just like to add the screenshots folder. Let me say the stacks are vastly superior 1151 01:12:21,200 --> 01:12:30,720 when your doc is at the bottom because they open in a fan upward and it's just really easy to just 1152 01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:39,200 grab the latest file in there and drop it somewhere whereas if your doc is on the side it opens 1153 01:12:39,200 --> 01:12:45,760 always in a huge grid that covers everything on my screen. I just want to cry every time it's the worst 1154 01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:53,760 thing and you can't just have the fan open on the side. I guess it would look weird I guess but I just 1155 01:12:53,760 --> 01:13:01,600 want my fans stack and so yeah I just want to conclude my section of the challenge by saying that 1156 01:13:01,600 --> 01:13:09,840 right now live I'm clicking right clicking on my doc. I'm navigating to position on screen and I'm 1157 01:13:09,840 --> 01:13:17,120 selecting bottom again okay I can bring it again. There we go so that was a fail. I am going to leave 1158 01:13:17,120 --> 01:13:22,960 the folder in my doc for another week and play around with it a bit more because the more I'm thinking 1159 01:13:22,960 --> 01:13:27,600 about it I'm like it is really nice to be able to just add those apps to stage manager or something 1160 01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:33,040 when I'm not using a keyboard and trackpad and with these new iPads something I found 1161 01:13:33,040 --> 01:13:38,560 because there's so much lighter I'm using it in tablet mode quite a bit more like I'm using it for 1162 01:13:38,560 --> 01:13:44,400 reading because I have a 13 inch iPad that's that's a big boy. It's kind of annoying to hold like the 1163 01:13:44,400 --> 01:13:49,120 old ones used to be really annoying to hold one handed they were terrible to hold portrait. This 1164 01:13:49,120 --> 01:13:53,520 one's not terrible this one's not bad at all like I've been reading off of it I've been reading 1165 01:13:53,520 --> 01:13:58,560 books off of it I've been reading articles off of it just in tablet mode no keyboard no mouse 1166 01:13:58,560 --> 01:14:05,280 attached so I think I'm going to keep the folder in my doc for another week as kind of like a second doc 1167 01:14:05,280 --> 01:14:15,920 nice I've got to say the folder in the iPad doc looks a bit wild yeah because it's just a tight 1168 01:14:15,920 --> 01:14:22,560 create in a small space they really need a better UI like they need a better UI and better 1169 01:14:22,560 --> 01:14:28,560 app like our icon design for it that's something that has been on my wishlist for a very long time 1170 01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:34,240 but it's such a low priority yeah they should probably get to it but like there's so many more 1171 01:14:34,240 --> 01:14:42,320 important things to do on the iPad they should be stacks in the doc right yeah yeah well I don't 1172 01:14:42,320 --> 01:14:48,560 I don't know if I like so for me whenever I had a Mac in the past I always turned off stacks 1173 01:14:48,560 --> 01:14:54,320 the stacks icon in favor of the folder icon so like it would show like if you had downloads it would 1174 01:14:54,320 --> 01:14:59,920 show the downloads icon folder or it show like if you put apps the applications folder in there it 1175 01:14:59,920 --> 01:15:06,480 show the application folder icon and stuff like that so I in the stacks just seemed a little messy to 1176 01:15:06,480 --> 01:15:16,080 me but I get the appeal of them. Hey Rosie hey you put the talk at the bottom that's heresy. 1177 01:15:17,040 --> 01:15:23,440 Oh my god if I could move the doc on the iPad it would 100% be on the left side but that's also where 1178 01:15:23,440 --> 01:15:27,200 the stage manager stuff is so I can see that never happening. 1179 01:15:27,200 --> 01:15:35,360 All right folks leave a like on this YouTube video if I'm right and also leave a like if I'm 1180 01:15:35,360 --> 01:15:43,360 right too because Ashley gets that we'll we'll we'll know well though we'll leave a comment there you go 1181 01:15:44,160 --> 01:15:50,000 and you can you can find us on Macedon as well and let us know yeah if you agree with me then hit the 1182 01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:56,320 subscribe button hit the bell. If you agree with me smash the subscribe button and smash the bell. 1183 01:15:56,320 --> 01:16:01,360 This is why you're the pro YouTuber is it highlighting right now? Is that a new thing right? 1184 01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:05,840 Now smash and it's been around for a while because it just seems way more dramatic. 1185 01:16:05,840 --> 01:16:10,720 I mean now in a YouTube app when you say subscribe or like I think the buttons light up 1186 01:16:11,760 --> 01:16:17,840 Oh do they? Oh yeah yeah. Oh okay yeah I'm the world's worst YouTuber because I don't actually watch 1187 01:16:17,840 --> 01:16:27,600 YouTube videos. Oh Chris. I watch mats and a few others but that's that's about it. Okay okay then that's 1188 01:16:27,600 --> 01:16:37,680 fine. I just realized I had a backtrack because I don't own friends on here. Are you guys ready for 1189 01:16:37,680 --> 01:16:43,200 our new challenge? Yes. I'm excited. What do you have for us Matt this week? I'm really excited. 1190 01:16:43,200 --> 01:16:51,920 Okay so the new challenge is hopefully pretty easy although it might be bad if you've been reviewing 1191 01:16:51,920 --> 01:16:59,520 apps for a long time. Oh no. My challenge is to go to the app store on your iPhone or iPad which 1192 01:16:59,520 --> 01:17:08,560 everyone you prefer and go to the top apps. They can be the top free apps, top paid apps and find an 1193 01:17:08,560 --> 01:17:14,160 app that you've never installed. So not one that has the open icon, not one that has the red 1194 01:17:14,160 --> 01:17:21,680 download icon. We need a price or a get button next to it and find an app you've never ever ever 1195 01:17:21,680 --> 01:17:29,840 installed. The most popular one you can stomach installing and put it on your device and see how it 1196 01:17:29,840 --> 01:17:37,120 goes. Ideally on your home screen so you can stare at it always. Do you know what one that is for me? 1197 01:17:37,120 --> 01:17:43,600 Do you know what one that is for me? What is it? I have never downloaded it. It says get next to it. 1198 01:17:43,600 --> 01:17:51,040 TikTok. Never have once downloaded in my life. Oh my god. Grants bar. So there you go. I'm not happy about 1199 01:17:51,040 --> 01:17:57,120 this. I have been so proud of I'm gonna find another app. I've been so proud of never. You can find 1200 01:17:57,120 --> 01:18:04,000 another app. It doesn't have to be number one. I legit. He said it. The reason why I hate TikTok is I hate 1201 01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:09,280 vertical video and they were like the precursor to it. They were the ones that made it popular. So I 1202 01:18:09,280 --> 01:18:14,400 blamed them for doing vertical and short form video and I hate that stuff with a passion. I hate 1203 01:18:14,400 --> 01:18:21,520 what it's done to YouTube and like the creator sphere and all that stuff. I could go on a whole rant 1204 01:18:21,520 --> 01:18:25,600 about that. I'm gonna find another app because I refuse to download TikTok but I will find something. 1205 01:18:25,600 --> 01:18:30,240 I'll find something that's actually interesting because everyone's tried TikTok except me. 1206 01:18:30,240 --> 01:18:41,040 I love this challenge but I'm afraid when I'm going to find my top app is 10 you. So I'm gonna just 1207 01:18:41,040 --> 01:18:47,680 next week you're gonna see me with a whole bunch of cheap garbage around. Oh my god. My grandparents 1208 01:18:47,680 --> 01:18:54,000 love that app so much and I keep trying to tell them like it's not like it's not what you think it 1209 01:18:54,000 --> 01:19:00,400 is. It's not you're not getting these amazing deals or anything like that. Microsoft Teams. Am I going 1210 01:19:00,400 --> 01:19:09,680 to install Microsoft Teams? Yes. Yes, Microsoft Teams. Yes. And it needs to be like a team of one 1211 01:19:09,680 --> 01:19:16,000 where you're just like literally talking to yourself all day. I just send you invites. 1212 01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:24,640 I did my time. We all used Microsoft Teams. I did. That was my last big project in IT other than 1213 01:19:24,640 --> 01:19:30,560 dealing with COVID stuff was getting Microsoft Teams set up for everyone and like a almost 300 person 1214 01:19:30,560 --> 01:19:40,720 company and it was a disaster. Literally got abused from day one. It was a nightmare. So that's it 1215 01:19:40,720 --> 01:19:46,560 for this episode of Comfort Zone. Thank you all so much for listening. Our thanks to listenlater.net 1216 01:19:46,560 --> 01:19:52,400 for sponsoring this video. Matt say goodbye and tell people where what you're up to and where people 1217 01:19:52,400 --> 01:19:58,400 can find you. Well, you can find me on YouTube a better computer. Find me on my blog. 1218 01:19:58,400 --> 01:20:07,200 BirchTree.me. Yeah, I'm just enjoying the summer, taking a break and mostly just working on this podcast 1219 01:20:07,200 --> 01:20:15,440 with you. Find people. So looking forward to next week. Oh, shucks. Nileon, tell people goodbye. 1220 01:20:15,440 --> 01:20:19,680 Word find you what you're working on. I know you probably have a really busy summer in front of you. 1221 01:20:19,680 --> 01:20:27,120 Oh, yeah. So I just won't get into it right now, but there are snap elections happening in 1222 01:20:27,120 --> 01:20:35,200 France and it's a both a nightmare and really exciting, but mostly a nightmare. So I'm going to talk about 1223 01:20:35,200 --> 01:20:41,760 that on Master Don find me there and maybe I'll write something on MaxiWizness week probably. Yeah. 1224 01:20:41,760 --> 01:20:50,320 Nice. Well, I'm Chris Froulli. You can find me on YouTube. It's my name L-A-W-L-E-Y or you can go to 1225 01:20:50,320 --> 01:20:56,560 the untitled.site and links to all of my stuff are there as well. Our thanks to MaxiWiz for hosting 1226 01:20:56,560 --> 01:21:01,120 this podcast. We are a MaxiWiz podcast after all. It's great being there. It's been really fun. 1227 01:21:01,120 --> 01:21:05,680 Thank you all so much for listening. If you're watching on the YouTube video, hit the like button. 1228 01:21:05,680 --> 01:21:10,480 And if you're listening on the audio version, maybe go into Apple podcasts or overcast and 1229 01:21:10,480 --> 01:21:15,040 rate us or give us a star and overcast or something like that if you feel up to it. It actually does help 1230 01:21:15,040 --> 01:21:25,280 people find the show and we'd appreciate it. Thank you all so much for listening. Have a great day. 1231 01:21:25,280 --> 01:21:27,860 (upbeat music) 1232 01:21:27,860 --> 01:21:37,860 [MUSIC]