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Lee Burgess:   Welcome back to
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Today, we're doing another in our
"Listen and Learn" series about evidence.

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This is about impeachment.

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And with that, let's get started.

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Welcome back!

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Today, we are diving into
part one of a two-part series

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on the topic of impeachment.

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Impeachment is a subsection of evidence,
which is a commonly-tested area on

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evidence exams and the bar exam.

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As a general matter, evidence
covers what can and cannot be

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introduced in a court of law.

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It is the set of rules that govern
proper testimony and the submission

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of evidence into the record to ensure
fairness, reliability, and relevance.

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As it relates to our episode today,
evidence covers how and why a witness

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can be impeached during a trial.

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Impeachment of a witness refers to
the attempts by opposing counsel

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to discredit a witness or call
into question their credibility.

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Council does this by presenting
evidence or asking questions

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that may show their testimony was
biased, inconsistent, or untrue.

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Basically, opposing counsel wants
the jury or judge not to trust

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that witness or what they say.

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As I mentioned, this is a two-part
series because we have a lot of

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ground to cover on impeachment.

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To make it as concrete and memorable
as possible, I have divided impeachment

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up into two major categories:
impeachment of a witness's character

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and impeachment of the testimony itself.

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In other words, is the witness credible?

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And is the testimony itself reliable?

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Today, we are going to focus
on character impeachment.

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That is whether or not
the witness is credible.

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When opposing counsel seeks to impeach
a witness's character, they are trying

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to show that the witness's testimony
cannot be believed because it is

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coming from a person who cannot be
trusted for one reason or another.

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Now, to be clear, opposing counsel
does not have free reign to attack

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witnesses or impugn their character.

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They cannot just bring out every
skeleton in a witness's closet to

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try to turn the jury against them,
especially when those skeletons have no

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bearing on the trial or issue at hand.

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If that were allowable,
no one could be a witness.

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There are no perfect people To ensure
relevant  and probative evidence

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comes in while mudslinging stays out.

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Rules are in place to guide
impeachment of a witness's character.

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So let's go through each one together.

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As with all rules of evidence, keep in
mind the overarching goals of evidentiary

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rules: the admission of probative,
relevant reliable evidence, and only

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probative, relevant, reliable evidence to
guide an adjudicator to a just outcome.

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Okay, let's jump in with a
relatively straightforward one: bias.

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Bias of a witness is always fair game.

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A witness's bias, motive,
partiality, or corruption is

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always relevant for impeachment.

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Again, remember the purpose of rules
of evidence: we want evidence to be

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relevant, reliable, and probative.

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If a witness is biased towards
one result or another, their

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testimony may not be reliable.

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If they are incentivized to see one
side win, their testimony may be

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partially or even wholly influenced by
that desire and not by the truth alone.

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Now, that doesn't mean their
testimony is necessarily unreliable.

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They might be telling the truth.

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But their possible bias is fair game
for opposing counsel to ask questions

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about, to see whether that bias is
affecting the witness's testimony.

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So let's move on to another
relatively straightforward rule:

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character for truthfulness.

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Opposing counsel may cross-examine
a witness on their character for

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truthfulness; it goes to their
credibility as a witness and therefore

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the credibility of their statement.

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A witness's credibility may be attacked
by the introduction of two things:

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( 1) reputation testimony about the
witness's character for truthfulness or

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untruthfulness;  or (2) opinion testimony.

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I want to flag here that evidence about
the witness's character for truthfulness

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may also be admissible, but it can only
be introduced if and when the witness's

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character for truthfulness is attacked.

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The court will not admit evidence
bolstering a witness's credibility if

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that credibility is not in question.

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That runs the risk of swaying the
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just because they like them and
think they're an upstanding person.

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While that may be true, likability
is not relevant to a just outcome.

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Character of truthfulness
covers the admissibility of

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others' opinions of a witness.

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But what about evidence
about a witness's conduct?

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Specific instances of conduct are
also admissible as impeachment,

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but only in certain circumstances.

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A witness's credibility may be attacked
with specific instances of conduct

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- prior bad acts - only if the conduct
is probative of the witness's character

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for truthfulness or untruthfulness.

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Now, remember when I said the
court doesn't like mudslinging?

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The court is not going to admit
into evidence every bad or unsavory

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act a witness has ever committed.

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Again, that isn't relevant, and no
witness would survive such viciousness.

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But if their prior bad act speaks
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well, that's a different story.

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The court is trying to get at
whether a witness can be believed.

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The court doesn't care if a
witness ran a red light, but

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they might care if they then lied
about it after being pulled over.

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Why?

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Because it is probative to the
question of whether the witness is

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honest, truthful, and believable.

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I also want to note here that
extrinsic evidence is never

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admissible to attack or support such
instances of a witness's credibility.

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Testimony alone is admissible here.

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So let's take a look at a hypo to
give us a sense of how some of these

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rules play out during testimony.

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This question is adapted from the
February 2016 California bar exam:

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"Mike, Sue, Pam, David and Ed
worked at ACE Manufacturing Company.

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Pam was fired.

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A week later, David circulated
the following email to all the

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other employees: ' I just thought
you should know that Pam was

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fired because she is a thief.

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Sue caught her stealing money from the
petty cash drawer after Pam's affair with

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Mike ended.' A month later, Mike died.

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Pam sued David for defamation.

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At trial, Pam testified that although it
is true that she was fired, the remaining

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contents of the email were false.

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In defense, David called Sue, who
testified that she had caught Pam stealing

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$300 from the petty cash drawer and that
when Sue confronted Pam and accused her of

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taking the money, Pam simply walked away.

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David himself testified that the
contents of the email were true.

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Is Sue's testimony that she caught
Pam stealing $300 admissible?"

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So, what do you think?

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Remember that evidence of a witness's
bad behavior is not typically admissible.

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Smearing the witness does not
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the truth of the claim at hand.

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But some evidence of bad behavior
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So let's review the rules we've learned
so far: bias, character for truthfulness,

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and specific instances of conduct.

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Do any of those apply here?

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Sue's testimony about witnessing Pam steal
and her lack of reaction don't really go

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to Pam's bias, so we can skip that one.

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What about character for truthfulness?

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To review, a witness's credibility
may be attacked by the introduction

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of two things: ( 1) reputation
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character for truthfulness or
untruthfulness; or (2) opinion testimony.

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Sue's testimony definitely touches
on Pam's character for truthfulness.

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Both David and Sue see Pam as
dishonest, and they base that on

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their prior experiences with her.

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Remember, though, now that character
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Pam, she has the opportunity to introduce
positive character evidence about herself.

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So she might want to
take that opportunity.

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Alright, let's look at the last
rule: specific instances of conduct.

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I think this is another way the
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The specific instance of Pam's theft is
admissible, even though it is prejudicial

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because the conduct is probative
of her character for truthfulness.

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Stealing money is taking something
for your own and lying about it, or

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failing to tell the truth about the
fact that you did that, so it impacts

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a person's character for truthfulness.

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In this case, the court would be correct
to admit this testimony about Pam.

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But again, she may be able to
introduce evidence of her good and

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truthful character, if any exists,
to combat this impugning evidence.

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So I hope that hypo helped
solidify some of those rules.

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With those covered, we now have
the murkiest of the character

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impeachment rules: prior convictions.

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Evidence of a prior conviction
may be admitted in certain

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instances, but not always.

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The key is remembering which
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admitted to impeach a witness.

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First, prior crimes, whether felonies or
misdemeanors, that involved dishonesty are

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always admissible to impeach a witness.

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Again, we're looking at whether
a witness can be trusted.

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If they have a prior conviction for
a crime related to honesty, that

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is important information to know.

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I do want to point out here, though, that
theft crimes are not crimes of dishonesty.

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So try to keep that in mind when
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be impeached with a prior crime.

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Apart from the very specific
circumstances of misdemeanors involving

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dishonesty, misdemeanors are not
admissible to impeach a witness.

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Some other felonies, however, are.

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Remember, a felony is a crime
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sentence of more than one year.

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Evidence about felonies that do not
involve dishonesty may be admissible, but

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only if the witness is not the defendant.

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This permissability, however, subject
to Rule 403 exclusions – most relevant

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being whether the probative value of
the evidence is substantially outweighed

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by the danger of unfair prejudice.

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Be sure to review Rule 403 exclusions
if you're not familiar with them.

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We've been talking about felonies
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stated also applies to civil cases.

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An opposing party may submit impeachment
evidence regarding a civil case not

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involving dishonesty, but only if the
witness is not a defendant and, of

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course, subject to Rule 403 exceptions.

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But what if the witness is the defendant?

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In that case, evidence is limited
to criminal cases, and it is only

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admissible if the probative value
outweighs any prejudicial effect.

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Now, that is a bit of a squishy rule,
so be sure you carefully analyze both

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the potential probative value and
potential prejudicial effect on an exam.

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It is important to note that
there are two exceptions to the

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admission of prior convictions.

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The first is commonly known
as the 10-year exception.

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If 10 years have passed from the
later of the date of conviction or the

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release from jail, the conviction is
not admissible unless (1) its probative

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value outweighs its prejudicial effect;
and (2) the proponent provides reasonable

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written notice to the adverse party.

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Now you may notice a trend here.

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In considering impeachment evidence, the
court is very concerned about weighing

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probative value versus prejudicial effect.

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The 10-year exception stands out, however,
in that it requires reasonable written

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notice to be given to the opposing party
if the evidence is going to be admitted.

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And don't worry, I haven't
forgotten the second exception.

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The other exception to the of prior
convictions regards a conviction

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that has been pardoned or annulled.

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Evidence of a conviction is not
admissible if it's been pardoned or

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annulled based on a finding of innocence.

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Well, that makes sense, right?

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Why should a conviction be
admissible if the witness did

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not actually commit the crime?

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That conviction has no probative
value – it doesn't tell you

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anything helpful about  the witness.

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To help us drill these rules into
memory, let's look at another hypo.

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This hypo is adapted from the February
2020 California bar exam, so like

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the prior one, it's a good example of
something you might see on a real exam.

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I've shortened it a bit to
focus on the issues at hand.

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Ready?

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"Des is on trial for possession
with intent to distribute

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hundreds of pounds of cocaine.

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At trial, the prosecution called
Carol, a severed co-defendant who had

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pleaded guilty to reduced charges in
exchange for testifying against Des.

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Carol testified that she had acted as a
distributor for a ring of cocaine dealers.

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In that role, Carol had sold
hundreds of pounds of cocaine to

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many people, including Des, during
the period of the charged crime.

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Carol further testified that
Des agreed to sell cocaine.

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During cross-examination, Des's attorney
introduced evidence that Carol had

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received a reduced  sentence in exchange
for agreeing to testify against Des.

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The prosecution objected,  the court
allowed the evidence to be admitted.

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Next, Des took the stand
in his own defense.

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On cross-examination, Pete asked Des if
it was true that eleven years earlier, he

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had been convicted of forgery, a felony.

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Des answered, ' Yes.'

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Did the court properly admit:

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1. Evidence of Carol's agreement
with the prosecutor?, and

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2. Evidence of Des's prior
conviction for forgery?"

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Let's take each question one at a time.

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What do you think?

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Was it proper for the court to
admit evidence that Carol cut a deal

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with the prosecution  for a reduced
sentence in exchange for her testimony?

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Remember all the way back at the beginning
of this episode, when we covered bias?

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You might remember me saying that a
witness's bias is always fair game.

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It's always relevant for impeachment.

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Do you think Carol's deal
might make her biased?

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Of course, we don't know if her testimony
is truthful or not, but I think we can

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certainly argue that this agreement raises
some questions about her impartiality.

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She would not get a deal from
the prosecution for testifying

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that Des was innocent.

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Her reduced sentence relies on her
testimony in support of the prosecution,

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which is arguing Des's guilt.

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For that reason, I think this evidence
is pretty squarely admissible.

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Now, what about the second question?

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Did the court properly admit Des's
prior conviction for forgery?

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The prosecution clearly wants to
use this conviction to impeach

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Des, to show that Des is a liar and
his testimony can not be trusted.

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Now think back: when is the opposing party
able to introduce evidence that impugns

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the witness's character for truthfulness?

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I see two that are relevant here.

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First, a party may introduce
evidence of a prior conviction

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that relates to dishonesty.

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Remember, prior crimes that
involve dishonesty are always

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admissible to impeach a witness.

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And while theft crimes are
not crimes of dishonesty,

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forgery is something different.

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If Des committed forgery, he was holding
himself out  to be someone he was not

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or have permission he  did not have.

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He lied.

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This is intrinsically
a crime of dishonesty.

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So I think it is admissible as a prior
conviction related to dishonesty.

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Now, second, was this also
a proper impeachment via

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evidence of a prior bad act?

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In a criminal case, a prosecutor
can ask the defendant about bad acts

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committed in the past that reflects the
defendant's character for truthfulness.

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As we just discussed, forgery
is exactly the type of behavior

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that calls into question a
person's honesty and truthfulness.

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Thus, this evidence is properly
admitted to impeach Des and show

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that he was not a credible witness.

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Now, wait.

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You might be thinking, "Doesn't an
exception apply here? I thought crimes

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committed more than 10 years ago weren't
admissible as prior convictions." Well, if

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you caught that, excellent issue spotting.

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As a refresher, if 10 years have
passed from the date of conviction or

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the release from jail, whichever is
later, the conviction is not admissible

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unless (1) its probative value
outweighs its prejudicial effect, and

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(2) the proponent provides reasonable
written notice to the adverse party.

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We need to analyze a couple of things to
understand whether this exception applies.

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First, it's clear from the question that
Des's conviction took place 11 years ago.

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But did he go to prison?

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If so, when was he released?

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We don't know the answer;
the prompt does not tell us.

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So when answering this  question on an
exam, it is important to note that if Des

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went to jail and was released less than 10
years ago, this exception does not apply.

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But since we don't know that,
we need to finish the analysis,

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presuming the exception does apply.

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We need to weigh whether the probative
value of the evidence outweighs its

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prejudicial effect and whether proper
notice was given to Des's attorney.

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Again, we don't know the answer
to the second prong, so we'll just

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flag it as an issue in our answer.

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If proper notice was not given,
the evidence is not admissible.

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What about the first prong, though?

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Do you think the probative value
of Des's forgery conviction

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outweighs its prejudicial effect?

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Evidence that Des was dishonest is quite
probative in determining his credibility.

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On the other hand, it is quite
prejudicial, and doing one dishonest thing

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over a decade ago with no convictions
since may not be very strong evidence

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that Des remains a dishonest person.

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I think you can go both ways here,
but I think the court would lean

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toward admitting the evidence.

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In all, I would argue the court
properly admitted both pieces of

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evidence for impeachment purposes.

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I know it's a lot, but try not
to get overwhelmed by all the

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possibilities and iterations.

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Just take each test one step
at a time, and make sure you're

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quite familiar with the rules.

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Evidence questions always have a lot
going on and a lot to keep track of,

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so being able to quickly spot and
apply the rules will go a long way in

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helping you write a solid exam answer.

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And that's all the time we have for
today, but we'll be back soon with

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part two of impeachment evidence.

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