1 00:00:00,718 --> 00:00:01,788 Good morning, Sunshine. 2 00:00:01,788 --> 00:00:05,458 Welcome to this week's episode of the Sports Curious Podcast, our Wednesday 3 00:00:05,458 --> 00:00:06,638 Wisdom Edition. 4 00:00:06,638 --> 00:00:10,598 As you know, we're here every Wednesday with a 20 minute or so podcast talking 5 00:00:10,598 --> 00:00:14,538 about taking a deeper dive into something happening in the world of sports that's 6 00:00:14,538 --> 00:00:18,338 relevant, that will allow you to make conversation with your colleagues at your 7 00:00:18,338 --> 00:00:21,818 dinner table, a networking event on a date, so many options, right? 8 00:00:21,818 --> 00:00:24,398 Talking to people next to you in the airplane. 9 00:00:24,398 --> 00:00:27,748 So we're not here, as you know, to make you the next ESPN Sideline reporter. 10 00:00:27,748 --> 00:00:29,486 We want to give you these little nuggets. 11 00:00:29,486 --> 00:00:32,486 which are great ways to start a conversation, but then lead into something 12 00:00:32,486 --> 00:00:36,926 else you really wanna talk about, like travel or food, whatever that might be. 13 00:00:36,926 --> 00:00:40,446 And today we're talking about the NFL draft. 14 00:00:40,446 --> 00:00:43,686 Now the NFL has obviously been in the headlines with Travis Kelsey, Taylor 15 00:00:43,686 --> 00:00:49,406 Swift, they've had a phenomenal year, but we're gonna see who is the future of the 16 00:00:49,406 --> 00:00:51,786 NFL and find out how they get there. 17 00:00:51,786 --> 00:00:55,006 That's right, we're going to talk about Detroit, we're going to talk about mystery 18 00:00:55,006 --> 00:00:58,606 relevance, the drinking game for the draft, as well as... 19 00:00:58,606 --> 00:01:03,146 the sour difference from being a number one to a number 10 pick and the challenges 20 00:01:03,146 --> 00:01:05,946 quarterbacks can face when heading into the NFL. 21 00:01:05,946 --> 00:01:09,726 So bringing to the table the brilliant mind behind all the things that happened 22 00:01:09,726 --> 00:01:12,286 at last night's game of Sports Curious podcast. 23 00:01:12,286 --> 00:01:13,952 Scott Scott, welcome to the show. 24 00:01:17,217 --> 00:01:19,117 Thank you for having me once again. 25 00:01:19,117 --> 00:01:24,657 It's an honor to be here to talk NFL draft and to get back into our football era 26 00:01:24,657 --> 00:01:27,326 after a few months removed from the Superbowl. 27 00:01:27,326 --> 00:01:31,906 have spent the last week listening to the Tortured Poets department, Taylor Swift's 28 00:01:31,906 --> 00:01:32,786 new album that's out. 29 00:01:32,786 --> 00:01:38,866 So you're clearly in the head space to not only cry because that's very much a large 30 00:01:38,866 --> 00:01:43,386 part of that album, but also the alchemy, if you will, the song that she wrote about 31 00:01:43,386 --> 00:01:49,826 Travis Kelsey, the alchemy of the sports world and how well and how much people are 32 00:01:49,826 --> 00:01:53,756 so excited about football season, but also about the draft. 33 00:01:53,756 --> 00:01:55,534 This has been, the draft has... 34 00:01:55,534 --> 00:01:58,074 Originally it was really done in New York. 35 00:01:58,154 --> 00:01:59,354 It was not a road show. 36 00:01:59,354 --> 00:02:04,054 Now it's a road show bringing in millions of dollars into local economies. 37 00:02:04,054 --> 00:02:06,266 And this year it's headed to Detroit. 38 00:02:10,657 --> 00:02:15,937 Yeah, prior to 2015, the NFL draft was always in New York. 39 00:02:15,937 --> 00:02:19,817 And then what the NFL always does is realizes there's a chance to get, make 40 00:02:19,817 --> 00:02:22,717 money and do huge TV ratings. 41 00:02:22,717 --> 00:02:29,357 So they kind of made it this traveling roadshow slash circus, going to different 42 00:02:29,357 --> 00:02:31,677 cities for each draft. 43 00:02:32,097 --> 00:02:37,897 Last year we were in Kansas city that turned out well for Kansas city and 44 00:02:37,897 --> 00:02:40,449 economics and also in winning a Superbowl. 45 00:02:40,449 --> 00:02:42,734 So now we're going to Detroit this year. 46 00:02:42,734 --> 00:02:46,274 Now Detroit has really revived itself, right? 47 00:02:46,274 --> 00:02:51,114 We all can recall probably the Detroit Lions fans with the bags over their heads 48 00:02:51,114 --> 00:02:53,634 because the team was so bad. 49 00:02:53,634 --> 00:02:56,034 And this last year, they were not. 50 00:02:56,034 --> 00:02:58,036 Talk to us about the Lions. 51 00:03:01,569 --> 00:03:08,289 The Lions, like you said, have not had a lot of success in the past, but ownership 52 00:03:08,289 --> 00:03:14,149 went with Dan Campbell, who's this, I think we've all seen larger than life 53 00:03:14,149 --> 00:03:20,529 football guy who just eats, breath, lives football, intense. 54 00:03:20,669 --> 00:03:25,359 And he's just brought this culture to the Lions that they're going to be tough, 55 00:03:25,359 --> 00:03:29,299 gritty, they're going to beat you up and they're going to try to win. 56 00:03:29,299 --> 00:03:31,723 And they were, you know, a few. 57 00:03:31,777 --> 00:03:33,806 Fluke plays away from the Super Bowl this year. 58 00:03:33,806 --> 00:03:38,206 Yeah, I mean, I have to say, I was really cheering for them for one angle because I 59 00:03:38,206 --> 00:03:41,366 think what's happening in Detroit is so cool. 60 00:03:41,366 --> 00:03:46,506 The fact that you talked a lot about Dan Campbell last season, we talked about how 61 00:03:46,506 --> 00:03:50,466 he tried to get an actual lion as a mascot, which was a big fat no, that was 62 00:03:50,466 --> 00:03:51,446 not gonna happen. 63 00:03:51,446 --> 00:03:54,636 How he drinks like eight shots of espresso in his coffee. 64 00:03:54,636 --> 00:04:00,946 Like he's just an intense human who goes out and gets shit done. 65 00:04:01,566 --> 00:04:02,742 Minus the lion. 66 00:04:03,841 --> 00:04:08,481 And he, well, we have not heard if there won't be a line at the draft yet. 67 00:04:08,481 --> 00:04:11,761 That's not been ruled out at this point. 68 00:04:11,761 --> 00:04:14,841 So hopefully that we can pull some strings. 69 00:04:14,881 --> 00:04:17,281 It could be a target. 70 00:04:17,281 --> 00:04:21,102 So a live line making a draft pick would be tremendous. 71 00:04:21,102 --> 00:04:25,002 Now, one of the trends, and this wasn't in our notes, so I don't even know if you 72 00:04:25,002 --> 00:04:28,342 know this, but we've had, one of the trends of the draft is they typically 73 00:04:28,342 --> 00:04:30,022 bring in special guests. 74 00:04:30,022 --> 00:04:36,262 We have had super fans, we have had animals, we have had all kinds of people 75 00:04:36,262 --> 00:04:39,662 bringing in draft picks for the team. 76 00:04:39,662 --> 00:04:44,742 So as people may know, Roderick Goodell does what, the first two rounds of the 77 00:04:44,742 --> 00:04:45,302 draft? 78 00:04:45,302 --> 00:04:48,552 He will get booed every time, at least the first round. 79 00:04:48,552 --> 00:04:49,294 He gets booed. 80 00:04:49,294 --> 00:04:51,714 every single time he walks to the stage. 81 00:04:51,714 --> 00:04:55,454 And so that is something that if you're watching this, don't get cringy and 82 00:04:55,454 --> 00:05:00,234 uncomfortable because realistically, he's used to it. 83 00:05:00,234 --> 00:05:03,034 The only time he didn't get booed was during COVID when he was doing it from his 84 00:05:03,034 --> 00:05:03,374 basement. 85 00:05:03,374 --> 00:05:06,498 And I'm sure, I feel like his kids booed him or something at some point. 86 00:05:08,737 --> 00:05:10,237 sure they did. 87 00:05:10,937 --> 00:05:14,862 And yeah, he's done a very good job embracing the booze at this point. 88 00:05:14,862 --> 00:05:17,981 what he does is he's been printing money for the NFL. 89 00:05:17,981 --> 00:05:20,772 So, but typically what they do is they bring in special guests. 90 00:05:20,772 --> 00:05:26,402 And so this year we'll look for people like people from the Trevor Project, 91 00:05:26,402 --> 00:05:30,642 Special Olympics, American Heart Association, the USA Wheelchair Football 92 00:05:30,642 --> 00:05:31,062 League. 93 00:05:31,062 --> 00:05:33,902 But it's always been fun to kind of keep an eye out and see these special guests 94 00:05:33,902 --> 00:05:39,002 that end up coming in later in the rounds and picking for these teams and announcing 95 00:05:39,002 --> 00:05:40,042 the picks. 96 00:05:40,042 --> 00:05:43,502 Lots of times you'll probably have Detroit celebrities, maybe Eminem will be there. 97 00:05:43,502 --> 00:05:47,562 Maybe Kid Rock, we could keep an eye out for those two. 98 00:05:49,082 --> 00:05:50,772 But what else do we need to know about the draft? 99 00:05:50,772 --> 00:05:53,682 Let's talk a little bit about terms from the NFL draft, right? 100 00:05:53,682 --> 00:05:57,042 If we're going to be watching this for the first time, because maybe we're Swifty and 101 00:05:57,042 --> 00:06:01,062 we're now into football, whatever that might be, maybe we just want to watch some 102 00:06:01,062 --> 00:06:03,762 great TV on Thursday nights. 103 00:06:03,782 --> 00:06:06,462 What are some of the terms that we all need to know? 104 00:06:06,462 --> 00:06:07,352 Talk to me about Mr. 105 00:06:07,352 --> 00:06:08,686 Irrelevant first. 106 00:06:11,713 --> 00:06:12,303 So Mr. 107 00:06:12,303 --> 00:06:17,573 Relevant, we heard a lot about that this year and maybe some football fans that are 108 00:06:17,573 --> 00:06:21,873 new to football, like some Swifties heard it for the first time. 109 00:06:21,873 --> 00:06:22,253 Mr. 110 00:06:22,253 --> 00:06:26,483 Relevant is the last pick in the draft and it was labeled Mr. 111 00:06:26,483 --> 00:06:31,673 Relevant because most likely this player was never going to make the team nor even 112 00:06:31,673 --> 00:06:34,473 get a step foot on the field. 113 00:06:34,993 --> 00:06:40,853 And we saw the 49ers Brock Purdy as we've discussed before really broken that 114 00:06:40,853 --> 00:06:41,951 stereotype. 115 00:06:42,977 --> 00:06:43,957 He was Mr. 116 00:06:43,957 --> 00:06:44,717 Irrelevant. 117 00:06:44,717 --> 00:06:45,897 He was the first Mr. 118 00:06:45,897 --> 00:06:49,537 Irrelevant to ever throw a touchdown pass in a game. 119 00:06:49,597 --> 00:06:50,937 Obviously the first Mr. 120 00:06:50,937 --> 00:06:53,037 Irrelevant to start in the Super Bowl. 121 00:06:53,217 --> 00:06:57,426 So he's really kind of changed the narrative on that specific pick. 122 00:06:57,426 --> 00:07:02,346 Irrelevant, Brock Purdy, we just heard a story released a week or so ago that he 123 00:07:02,346 --> 00:07:06,530 saved a woman and her dog from a coyote while shooting a John Deere commercial. 124 00:07:09,953 --> 00:07:12,753 Off the field, he's very relevant as well. 125 00:07:12,753 --> 00:07:17,313 Yeah, he saved a, it was a, actually a reporter from a news station who happened 126 00:07:17,313 --> 00:07:21,173 to be covering his John Deere commercial from afar. 127 00:07:21,173 --> 00:07:26,894 And he screamed that there was a coyote behind her when she was walking her dog. 128 00:07:26,894 --> 00:07:33,474 I mean, Brock Purdy saves the day, saves the 49ers, saves the dog, all the things. 129 00:07:33,474 --> 00:07:34,134 Now, Mr. 130 00:07:34,134 --> 00:07:35,954 Relevance, they actually also have a club, right? 131 00:07:35,954 --> 00:07:36,674 It's all the Mr. 132 00:07:36,674 --> 00:07:39,374 Relevance get together once a year, they do something charitable. 133 00:07:39,374 --> 00:07:42,034 And I think that is really cool that they've embraced that and said, you know 134 00:07:42,034 --> 00:07:43,194 what? 135 00:07:43,194 --> 00:07:44,754 Screw it, let's go have a good time. 136 00:07:44,754 --> 00:07:48,222 We all have this one thing in common, besides obviously football. 137 00:07:50,497 --> 00:07:53,317 And that's a very exclusive club to be in. 138 00:07:53,317 --> 00:07:54,677 So I'm glad they embraced it. 139 00:07:54,677 --> 00:07:56,877 There's a charity aspect as well. 140 00:07:56,877 --> 00:07:58,417 I know that for sure. 141 00:07:58,417 --> 00:08:00,332 So glad to embrace it. 142 00:08:00,332 --> 00:08:02,182 so it's definitely an exclusive club, you know, right? 143 00:08:02,182 --> 00:08:03,602 We've never made it, so. 144 00:08:03,602 --> 00:08:05,522 Talk to me about free... 145 00:08:05,522 --> 00:08:07,332 It's true. 146 00:08:07,332 --> 00:08:08,752 I still have a chance. 147 00:08:08,752 --> 00:08:12,822 I did see there was a woman in the WNBA draft who was 5 '5", so I... 148 00:08:12,822 --> 00:08:15,390 Minus the basketball talent, I have the height. 149 00:08:18,369 --> 00:08:21,149 Yeah, you could maybe be a placeholder. 150 00:08:21,189 --> 00:08:22,469 I don't know something. 151 00:08:22,469 --> 00:08:23,854 We could find something for you. 152 00:08:23,854 --> 00:08:25,274 something, you know. 153 00:08:25,274 --> 00:08:27,324 So talk to me about free agency. 154 00:08:27,324 --> 00:08:30,294 What are they, when they're talking about free agency, what does that actually mean 155 00:08:30,294 --> 00:08:32,800 when it comes to sports and comes to football? 156 00:08:35,456 --> 00:08:41,056 So especially with NFL free agency, like we said, they do a very good job of 157 00:08:41,056 --> 00:08:43,475 remaining relevant and grabbing headlines. 158 00:08:43,475 --> 00:08:48,456 So free agencies usually, I believe it was in March, March 15th, I think is the 159 00:08:48,456 --> 00:08:49,556 league year. 160 00:08:49,556 --> 00:08:53,476 And that's where teams could sign free agents, which means their contract goes up 161 00:08:53,476 --> 00:08:57,436 with their current team and they can sign with whoever they want. 162 00:08:57,436 --> 00:09:00,776 And free agency plays a big factor in who gets drafted. 163 00:09:01,016 --> 00:09:04,536 So whoever, whoever they sign the off season obviously impacts who they'll 164 00:09:04,536 --> 00:09:04,978 draft. 165 00:09:04,978 --> 00:09:07,218 course, that makes sense. 166 00:09:07,218 --> 00:09:10,298 Now you're gonna hear people talking about guaranteed money. 167 00:09:10,298 --> 00:09:12,442 Talk to me about what that means. 168 00:09:12,449 --> 00:09:13,305 Mm -hmm. 169 00:09:15,169 --> 00:09:18,549 Guaranteed money is a huge sticking point in NFL. 170 00:09:18,809 --> 00:09:25,049 It used to be that most contracts were not guaranteed, which, you know, given the 171 00:09:25,049 --> 00:09:27,589 physical nature of football is not great. 172 00:09:27,729 --> 00:09:31,689 So in the recent years, we've seen a lot of trends where players are able to 173 00:09:31,689 --> 00:09:34,769 negotiate getting guaranteed money on their contracts. 174 00:09:35,209 --> 00:09:40,489 Most contracts that you see that are reported four years, 140 million or 175 00:09:40,489 --> 00:09:42,449 something, probably. 176 00:09:42,657 --> 00:09:46,077 80 to 90 million of that's actually guaranteed. 177 00:09:46,137 --> 00:09:49,577 So most NFL contracts that you see on TV are inflated. 178 00:09:49,577 --> 00:09:50,990 They're not necessarily real. 179 00:09:50,990 --> 00:09:54,150 when you're at this stage of your career, you're just being drafted. 180 00:09:54,150 --> 00:09:58,650 There guaranteed money, maybe a very small portion of it could be there, but 181 00:09:58,650 --> 00:10:03,270 realistically, how many people, I guess realistically, that's probably not, I had 182 00:10:03,270 --> 00:10:04,170 two questions. 183 00:10:04,170 --> 00:10:07,426 It's probably not a lot of guaranteed money built into a rookie contract. 184 00:10:10,113 --> 00:10:12,173 It depends where you get drafted. 185 00:10:12,173 --> 00:10:16,533 If you're top 10, if you're first round, yes. 186 00:10:16,533 --> 00:10:20,473 But after that, there's no guarantee you'll even make the team, so your 187 00:10:20,473 --> 00:10:22,470 contract's not going to be that great. 188 00:10:22,470 --> 00:10:25,010 So I guess I'll ask that question. 189 00:10:25,010 --> 00:10:31,930 If what's the difference between a first number one pick and number 10 pick money 190 00:10:31,930 --> 00:10:32,804 wise. 191 00:10:35,617 --> 00:10:41,137 The NFL draft, all the, where you're drafted is slotted for how much money 192 00:10:41,137 --> 00:10:42,337 you're going to make. 193 00:10:42,337 --> 00:10:46,137 So there's really not much negotiation going on. 194 00:10:46,317 --> 00:10:51,297 There is some, the amount of free, the amount of guaranteed money you'll get at 195 00:10:51,297 --> 00:10:53,317 certain points can be negotiated. 196 00:10:53,317 --> 00:10:58,097 Like this year, Caleb Williams, who was by and far the projected number one pick, 197 00:10:58,097 --> 00:10:59,777 didn't even hire an agent. 198 00:11:00,057 --> 00:11:04,057 Cause he's not going to bother wasting his money, giving money to an agent. 199 00:11:04,257 --> 00:11:05,177 So. 200 00:11:05,217 --> 00:11:10,277 This year, the total value of the first pick is about 38 and a half million total 201 00:11:10,277 --> 00:11:13,297 over the course of the contract. 202 00:11:13,297 --> 00:11:17,477 And then it kind of goes down by a million dollars almost per pick. 203 00:11:18,337 --> 00:11:22,897 So the Jets, Jets are number 10 at this point, unless there's some trades between 204 00:11:22,897 --> 00:11:27,975 now and then the number 10 picks saw it to make about 21 million. 205 00:11:28,002 --> 00:11:32,782 still not, we're not talking Caitlin Clark $76 ,000 a season type of thing. 206 00:11:32,782 --> 00:11:37,082 Granted, football is much more significant demand on your body. 207 00:11:37,122 --> 00:11:39,682 We don't need to go down the road, but essentially their careers are much 208 00:11:39,682 --> 00:11:40,474 shorter. 209 00:11:41,249 --> 00:11:42,189 Yeah. 210 00:11:42,189 --> 00:11:43,309 Yes. 211 00:11:43,309 --> 00:11:46,449 And that's, yeah, that's over the course of their rookie contract. 212 00:11:46,449 --> 00:11:49,289 So getting that. 213 00:11:49,734 --> 00:11:50,904 long is a rookie contract? 214 00:11:50,904 --> 00:11:54,434 Is it typically, how long is it? 215 00:11:54,434 --> 00:11:55,569 Okay. 216 00:11:55,569 --> 00:11:56,679 get drafted. 217 00:11:58,337 --> 00:12:04,037 So first rounders, I believe they have four years with an option for a fifth year 218 00:12:04,037 --> 00:12:05,966 for the team to pick up a fifth year. 219 00:12:05,966 --> 00:12:07,142 Interesting. 220 00:12:07,873 --> 00:12:12,093 And beyond that, it just goes down from there. 221 00:12:12,153 --> 00:12:15,873 And the option to pick up a fifth year is big because it can prevent them from 222 00:12:15,873 --> 00:12:20,933 entering free agency and secure them at maybe a lower number than they would have 223 00:12:20,933 --> 00:12:23,234 to if they renegotiated a whole new contract. 224 00:12:23,234 --> 00:12:24,534 That absolutely makes sense. 225 00:12:24,534 --> 00:12:29,794 Now, we talked about guaranteed money on the clock when someone says that, you 226 00:12:29,794 --> 00:12:31,434 know, Detroit Lions, you're on the clock. 227 00:12:31,434 --> 00:12:32,646 Talk to me about that. 228 00:12:35,169 --> 00:12:38,469 On the clock, that means that your team's up. 229 00:12:38,469 --> 00:12:40,389 They need to make their draft pick. 230 00:12:40,389 --> 00:12:41,929 It's their time. 231 00:12:42,029 --> 00:12:46,389 And the amount of time they have for each draft pick depends on the round. 232 00:12:46,389 --> 00:12:51,669 So the first round, which is basically a TV show on Thursday, they get 10 minutes 233 00:12:51,669 --> 00:12:53,009 in between picks. 234 00:12:53,009 --> 00:12:57,309 So once you're on the clock, you have 10 minutes to make your pick. 235 00:12:58,209 --> 00:13:04,503 And then from there, Friday, the second round, second and third rounds drops. 236 00:13:04,513 --> 00:13:10,613 Seconds seven minutes when you're on the clock third rounds five minutes and then 237 00:13:10,613 --> 00:13:16,513 from there it just goes down and down runs four through six you get five minutes and 238 00:13:16,513 --> 00:13:22,933 then the last one last time you'll get four so As it goes on it gets they just 239 00:13:22,933 --> 00:13:24,959 want to get it over with at some point 240 00:13:25,270 --> 00:13:26,540 It's not the big money. 241 00:13:26,540 --> 00:13:27,850 They're not likely to make the team. 242 00:13:27,850 --> 00:13:29,410 I do want to ask a question later. 243 00:13:29,410 --> 00:13:32,530 So, remind me to come back to Kailin Williams and the agent question. 244 00:13:32,530 --> 00:13:34,670 But I want to finish up our terminology. 245 00:13:34,830 --> 00:13:39,250 So, we're going to talk about, someone says something that there's a franchise 246 00:13:39,250 --> 00:13:41,320 quarterback or franchise whatever. 247 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:42,694 What does that mean? 248 00:13:46,689 --> 00:13:50,449 Frances quarterback is basically what every team's looking for someone that 249 00:13:50,449 --> 00:13:54,149 they're going to draft that's going to spend their entire career with the team. 250 00:13:54,149 --> 00:13:58,069 When with that team, you know, hopefully lead them to super bowls or talking to 251 00:13:58,069 --> 00:14:04,729 someone like your Patrick Mahomes, your Joe burrow, guys like that. 252 00:14:04,750 --> 00:14:05,260 Interesting. 253 00:14:05,260 --> 00:14:05,730 Okay. 254 00:14:05,730 --> 00:14:08,550 And my last one is, you know, they're obviously going to talk a lot about 255 00:14:08,550 --> 00:14:09,430 trades, right? 256 00:14:09,430 --> 00:14:11,030 Their teams are going to trade. 257 00:14:11,030 --> 00:14:16,690 Talk to me about what, I mean, I know there's a million different ways to trade. 258 00:14:16,690 --> 00:14:20,536 What is something we might see when we watch the draft on Thursday? 259 00:14:24,353 --> 00:14:29,593 I have a feeling there's going to be a ton of trades early on with teams jumping up 260 00:14:29,593 --> 00:14:31,653 to try to get that franchise quarterback. 261 00:14:31,653 --> 00:14:33,853 There's going to be a lot of people at reach. 262 00:14:34,173 --> 00:14:37,633 Typically they're going to trade future draft picks. 263 00:14:37,833 --> 00:14:39,563 Maybe it depends on where they trade up. 264 00:14:39,563 --> 00:14:41,613 It could be a number one next year. 265 00:14:41,613 --> 00:14:45,773 You'll see a lot of later round picks around four or five, six people just throw 266 00:14:45,773 --> 00:14:48,193 those around like crazy. 267 00:14:48,193 --> 00:14:52,026 That's kind of what the assets you're looking at if you're trading up. 268 00:14:52,026 --> 00:14:54,586 or five, because they're desperately trying to complete their roster with 269 00:14:54,586 --> 00:14:58,426 people that they thought would have been available and are no longer. 270 00:14:58,646 --> 00:14:59,836 Makes sense. 271 00:15:00,737 --> 00:15:03,297 Yes, if you're at the top of the draft, you're not very good. 272 00:15:03,297 --> 00:15:06,337 So you need as many assets as you can get. 273 00:15:07,077 --> 00:15:10,277 That's why you would say back. 274 00:15:11,017 --> 00:15:12,827 Yes. 275 00:15:12,850 --> 00:15:17,490 really quickly, and we've talked about it before on the podcast, Caleb Williams 276 00:15:17,490 --> 00:15:19,210 doesn't have an agent. 277 00:15:19,210 --> 00:15:22,130 There are some challenges with that, right? 278 00:15:22,130 --> 00:15:25,590 Because he's pretty much the perceived number one pick, there may be not as many 279 00:15:25,590 --> 00:15:26,930 challenges as we think. 280 00:15:26,930 --> 00:15:32,550 But say he wasn't, and he was gonna go top five, and he's one of five quarterbacks. 281 00:15:32,550 --> 00:15:33,742 And... 282 00:15:33,742 --> 00:15:38,322 that agent not only negotiates a contract with a team, but those agents are out 283 00:15:38,322 --> 00:15:39,782 there, what do they call it? 284 00:15:39,782 --> 00:15:43,713 Not smoke show, something like that about their... 285 00:15:43,713 --> 00:15:45,163 Well, smoke shows. 286 00:15:45,163 --> 00:15:46,493 Some of them could be smoke shows. 287 00:15:46,493 --> 00:15:48,293 We don't, we're not here to judge. 288 00:15:48,293 --> 00:15:49,693 Smoke screen. 289 00:15:49,693 --> 00:15:51,253 Smoke screen. 290 00:15:54,881 --> 00:16:00,321 And we mentioned on our NFL combine podcasts, the period between the combine 291 00:16:00,321 --> 00:16:03,221 and the draft is known as smoke screen season. 292 00:16:03,221 --> 00:16:06,221 You're going to see rumors about guys come out. 293 00:16:06,221 --> 00:16:10,021 Whether good or bad, and you don't know who's putting those rumors out. 294 00:16:10,021 --> 00:16:13,021 It could be a team that wants a quarterback to drop. 295 00:16:13,021 --> 00:16:17,721 They could leak information that something happens, you know, or given bad 296 00:16:17,721 --> 00:16:21,901 evaluations and leak that and hoping teams above them will pass on them. 297 00:16:21,901 --> 00:16:24,473 And an agent will go in and. 298 00:16:24,801 --> 00:16:29,441 They'll try to negate those negative stories and put fires out before they ever 299 00:16:29,441 --> 00:16:30,841 make it to the public. 300 00:16:30,841 --> 00:16:36,718 So that's a big thing that agents will do besides negotiate contracts. 301 00:16:36,718 --> 00:16:40,218 I never really thought about until we really started talking about Caleb 302 00:16:40,218 --> 00:16:41,198 Williams. 303 00:16:41,218 --> 00:16:46,218 Now, you informed me as we were chatting before we started recording that there is 304 00:16:46,218 --> 00:16:51,758 an NFL draft drinking game, which I think is fantastic. 305 00:16:52,193 --> 00:16:58,153 There are, yeah, over the years, people have started to establish drinking games 306 00:16:58,153 --> 00:17:05,353 based on draft night cliches that you're going to hear, which year to year, they're 307 00:17:05,353 --> 00:17:06,573 pretty much always the same. 308 00:17:06,573 --> 00:17:12,053 So if you're over 21 and you'd like to tune into the draft, there is a drinking 309 00:17:12,053 --> 00:17:15,274 game that you can play that may not end up very well for you. 310 00:17:15,274 --> 00:17:19,774 post this on our social media, Twitter, lastnight's game underscore, lastnight's 311 00:17:19,774 --> 00:17:22,694 underscore game, and then lastnight's game on Instagram. 312 00:17:22,694 --> 00:17:25,754 But some of these look like if a punter gets drafted. 313 00:17:25,754 --> 00:17:27,907 Tell me why punters don't get drafted. 314 00:17:33,697 --> 00:17:39,237 Punters are athletes too, but they don't tend to get drafted high or at all just 315 00:17:39,237 --> 00:17:44,985 because there's so many punters out there coming from the college ranks or... 316 00:17:55,470 --> 00:17:56,610 use a draft pick for. 317 00:17:56,610 --> 00:18:00,250 Okay, we have other ones include if anyone mentions Tom Brady coming out of 318 00:18:00,250 --> 00:18:01,390 retirement. 319 00:18:01,450 --> 00:18:06,170 If any announcer says a player is a freak athlete, a project, a workhorse, has a 320 00:18:06,170 --> 00:18:09,810 high motor, it's a student of the game or does well in the classroom. 321 00:18:09,810 --> 00:18:13,890 If you see a Dan Campbell, the Lions head coach impersonator. 322 00:18:13,890 --> 00:18:18,016 And of course, if anyone almost or does knock down Roger Goodell. 323 00:18:26,350 --> 00:18:28,540 I better play this with a non -alcoholic drink. 324 00:18:38,766 --> 00:18:41,486 Okay, well we will share it for sure on social. 325 00:18:41,486 --> 00:18:47,926 Now, the top players in the draft this year especially are our quarterbacks. 326 00:18:48,066 --> 00:18:51,606 Now talk to me about, maybe we leave it all together, I don't know, but talk to me 327 00:18:51,606 --> 00:18:56,286 about first of all, when we talked a while back about NFL play calling on one of our 328 00:18:56,286 --> 00:18:59,446 podcasts, which is still I think my favorite podcast that we've done because 329 00:18:59,446 --> 00:19:04,152 it is so interesting about how the game runs. 330 00:19:12,078 --> 00:19:14,686 Can you refresh your screen, I guess? 331 00:19:17,036 --> 00:19:18,616 Oh no. 332 00:19:19,176 --> 00:19:20,534 I can hear you now. 333 00:19:20,534 --> 00:19:21,126 it? 334 00:19:23,309 --> 00:19:24,580 Now I can't hear. 335 00:19:26,476 --> 00:19:27,650 So let's screw it all up. 336 00:19:27,650 --> 00:19:28,390 figure it out. 337 00:19:28,390 --> 00:19:29,190 Okay. 338 00:19:31,854 --> 00:19:37,114 So what we talked about on this NFL play calling podcast about how quarterbacks 339 00:19:37,114 --> 00:19:40,784 from college can really face a challenge moving into the NFL. 340 00:19:40,784 --> 00:19:45,614 And it's really challenging for college quarterbacks to go right in and start in 341 00:19:45,614 --> 00:19:46,594 the NFL. 342 00:19:46,594 --> 00:19:52,354 Share with our crew a little bit about why that is such a thing. 343 00:19:52,594 --> 00:19:55,078 Because it should be they're playing quarterback, right? 344 00:19:56,748 --> 00:20:01,748 It is the same position, but it's honestly not the same position going into the pros 345 00:20:01,748 --> 00:20:03,428 in college. 346 00:20:03,428 --> 00:20:06,868 They're not necessarily calling plays as much. 347 00:20:06,868 --> 00:20:11,328 A lot of the plays are given in from the sidelines with hand signals, or you see 348 00:20:11,328 --> 00:20:18,128 these ridiculous signs with SpongeBob and Chuck Norris, which is a play call, you 349 00:20:18,128 --> 00:20:21,828 know, they don't really necessarily have to call these long plays. 350 00:20:21,828 --> 00:20:26,048 And as we discussed on the Play Calling Podcast, they have an earpiece to their 351 00:20:26,048 --> 00:20:26,764 coach. 352 00:20:26,764 --> 00:20:32,184 and their coach signals in the plays and they're usually long, ridiculous words and 353 00:20:32,184 --> 00:20:37,304 phrases that they have to get in within, what is it, 15 seconds before it shuts off 354 00:20:37,304 --> 00:20:38,644 on the play clock. 355 00:20:39,244 --> 00:20:44,384 So a lot of them are just not used to the verbiage and, you know, telling everyone 356 00:20:44,384 --> 00:20:46,844 where to go within this verbiage. 357 00:20:46,864 --> 00:20:50,904 So that's definitely a challenge that you'll have to look forward to see how 358 00:20:50,904 --> 00:20:54,524 they, uh, how they tackle it. 359 00:20:54,844 --> 00:20:56,012 And a lot of them. 360 00:20:56,012 --> 00:20:59,932 Also, a lot of them don't go under center, which would be where the center snaps 361 00:20:59,932 --> 00:21:01,552 directly to them. 362 00:21:01,792 --> 00:21:04,892 You know, like a Peyton Manning or Tom Brady would be under center a lot of them 363 00:21:04,892 --> 00:21:07,112 are in shotgun in college. 364 00:21:07,112 --> 00:21:10,038 So that's also a huge, huge change for them. 365 00:21:10,038 --> 00:21:13,598 who's never played football, what's, because there's more chance of fumbling 366 00:21:13,598 --> 00:21:16,224 the ball in her center, is that why or? 367 00:21:17,900 --> 00:21:19,800 It's just a different look. 368 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:24,240 A lot of the college offenses are spread out more with focused on receivers and 369 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:28,150 spreading defenses out where NFL is usually more smash mouth football. 370 00:21:28,150 --> 00:21:30,350 things that I didn't know. 371 00:21:30,350 --> 00:21:35,570 So talk to me about and let's wrap us up with the top players that we should be 372 00:21:35,570 --> 00:21:39,750 keeping an eye out for in the 2024 draft. 373 00:21:43,212 --> 00:21:44,772 You're going to hear a lot of quarterbacks. 374 00:21:44,772 --> 00:21:48,392 Like you mentioned earlier, the franchise quarterbacks, the huge thing. 375 00:21:48,552 --> 00:21:54,712 And last season we had 66 quarterbacks start a game, which is a kind of a 376 00:21:54,712 --> 00:21:55,532 ridiculous number. 377 00:21:55,532 --> 00:21:58,832 It's the injuries when there's only 32 teams. 378 00:21:58,832 --> 00:22:01,512 That's, that's mind blowing. 379 00:22:01,972 --> 00:22:05,912 So this year, everyone's going to try to reach for a quarterback over under 380 00:22:05,912 --> 00:22:06,952 quarterbacks. 381 00:22:06,952 --> 00:22:10,512 Taking the first round was currently set at four and a half. 382 00:22:10,512 --> 00:22:11,938 So it's projected. 383 00:22:11,938 --> 00:22:15,238 means you either bet that there's less than four and a half, although I don't 384 00:22:15,238 --> 00:22:18,618 know how there's a half, so maybe you can explain that, or over four and a half. 385 00:22:18,618 --> 00:22:20,406 How is there a half of a quarterback? 386 00:22:20,684 --> 00:22:25,424 It would have to be under, it would have to be four for you to win that bet. 387 00:22:25,424 --> 00:22:26,814 And over would have to be five. 388 00:22:26,814 --> 00:22:28,724 You can't take half a quarterback. 389 00:22:29,864 --> 00:22:30,524 Yeah. 390 00:22:30,524 --> 00:22:32,384 Half a quarterback is not an option. 391 00:22:32,384 --> 00:22:34,844 So yeah, you're going to hear a lot of quarterbacks. 392 00:22:35,344 --> 00:22:36,544 Not yet. 393 00:22:36,544 --> 00:22:37,532 Not yet. 394 00:22:41,228 --> 00:22:44,012 We'll see, I don't know if the guaranteed money would be on half quarterback. 395 00:22:44,158 --> 00:22:48,638 we have Kayla Williams who's presumed the number one pick from USC. 396 00:22:48,718 --> 00:22:51,548 Then who else do we have our eyes on? 397 00:22:53,772 --> 00:22:58,292 Yeah, Caleb Williams is by far in a way the number one overall pick. 398 00:22:58,292 --> 00:23:00,412 He's been that way for probably two years. 399 00:23:00,412 --> 00:23:03,772 He just had to make it through college long enough to get there. 400 00:23:03,772 --> 00:23:06,882 Jaden Daniels is probably going to be the number two pick. 401 00:23:06,882 --> 00:23:07,712 He is at LSU. 402 00:23:07,712 --> 00:23:09,732 He won the Heisman this year. 403 00:23:09,772 --> 00:23:11,852 Drake May out of North Carolina. 404 00:23:11,852 --> 00:23:12,202 J .J. 405 00:23:12,202 --> 00:23:17,572 McCarthy out of Michigan, which when we're talking quarterbacks in a pro style, he 406 00:23:17,572 --> 00:23:20,972 might be the most ready to succeed. 407 00:23:20,972 --> 00:23:23,308 He played under Jim Harbaugh at Michigan. 408 00:23:23,404 --> 00:23:27,384 won a national championship so he'd come around a pro style offense. 409 00:23:27,854 --> 00:23:30,654 coach, Jim Harbaugh, they won a national championship. 410 00:23:30,654 --> 00:23:37,808 Harbaugh now is coaching in the NFL again, and he's also been living out of an RV. 411 00:23:40,748 --> 00:23:47,208 Harbaugh's back in the NFL and he's being as quirky and weird as everyone expected. 412 00:23:47,208 --> 00:23:50,948 He's currently living in an RV outside the Chargers facility as they get ready for 413 00:23:50,948 --> 00:23:53,370 the draft and the upcoming season. 414 00:23:53,370 --> 00:23:54,230 do. 415 00:23:54,230 --> 00:23:57,510 Okay, so we have JJ McCarthy from Michigan. 416 00:23:57,510 --> 00:24:01,568 Then we have Bo Nix from Oregon. 417 00:24:03,244 --> 00:24:05,584 Yes, he is from Oregon. 418 00:24:05,584 --> 00:24:09,724 I believe he started more college football games than anyone ever in history. 419 00:24:09,724 --> 00:24:11,584 He stuck around forever. 420 00:24:11,844 --> 00:24:16,024 Michael Penich Jr., which we saw, led Washington to national championship 421 00:24:16,024 --> 00:24:17,664 against Washington. 422 00:24:17,844 --> 00:24:22,224 So, I mean, there's, yeah, against Michigan, sorry. 423 00:24:22,224 --> 00:24:27,804 So they're all, they're all going to go in the first round, I assume, most likely 424 00:24:27,804 --> 00:24:29,864 four to five in the top 10. 425 00:24:30,164 --> 00:24:31,898 So it's going to be very quarterback heavy. 426 00:24:31,898 --> 00:24:32,418 it makes sense, right? 427 00:24:32,418 --> 00:24:37,158 If you're really having to carry at least three quarterbacks on your roster because 428 00:24:37,158 --> 00:24:40,738 there was a game last year where all three of their quarterbacks got hurt, didn't it? 429 00:24:40,738 --> 00:24:42,980 Well, on some team, wasn't it? 430 00:24:45,356 --> 00:24:47,536 I don't know if it was last year, it was possibly the year before. 431 00:24:47,536 --> 00:24:54,416 That was the 49ers in the NFC Championship game two years ago against the Eagles, 432 00:24:54,836 --> 00:24:57,136 where they had Christian McCaffrey trying to throw. 433 00:24:57,136 --> 00:24:58,468 Yes. 434 00:24:59,998 --> 00:25:01,004 Now is there. 435 00:25:01,004 --> 00:25:01,804 Yes. 436 00:25:01,804 --> 00:25:05,818 So the quarterback are, everyone's desperate. 437 00:25:05,818 --> 00:25:06,398 says we're in. 438 00:25:06,398 --> 00:25:12,218 So the draft itself starts on Thursday, April 25th and runs all the way through 439 00:25:12,218 --> 00:25:13,898 Sunday, the 28th. 440 00:25:13,898 --> 00:25:18,908 Is there anything that you would like to leave us with before we sign off? 441 00:25:23,278 --> 00:25:25,638 If you don't, we've covered a lot of ground, so... 442 00:25:27,756 --> 00:25:32,096 I think I was just going to go outside of football, the economic impact that the 443 00:25:32,096 --> 00:25:35,056 draft has had on cities that they've gone to. 444 00:25:35,056 --> 00:25:41,436 I mean, last year, I think Kansas City, it brought in like $165 million to the city, 445 00:25:41,436 --> 00:25:43,256 which is ridiculous. 446 00:25:43,256 --> 00:25:44,896 A couple hundred thousand people. 447 00:25:44,896 --> 00:25:50,096 So the city of Detroit is going to thrive with having the draft in their city. 448 00:25:50,096 --> 00:25:55,498 They're expecting 300 ,000 people and a couple hundred million dollars in revenue. 449 00:25:55,498 --> 00:25:59,718 Cleveland and Chicago, both big football cities, clearly will bring people in. 450 00:25:59,718 --> 00:26:03,260 You know, one of the best sushi rolls I've ever had was in Detroit. 451 00:26:04,942 --> 00:26:05,798 Have a fun time. 452 00:26:06,508 --> 00:26:07,726 How does that work? 453 00:26:07,726 --> 00:26:08,716 I don't know, it was really good. 454 00:26:08,716 --> 00:26:11,906 It was a restaurant we went to that had burgers and fries and sushi. 455 00:26:11,926 --> 00:26:14,776 And it was, I remember noting like, I don't remember the name of the restaurant. 456 00:26:14,776 --> 00:26:15,696 I could find it on a map. 457 00:26:15,696 --> 00:26:19,666 It was like, this is one of the best sushi rolls I've ever had. 458 00:26:19,666 --> 00:26:20,838 So there you have it. 459 00:26:22,508 --> 00:26:26,408 So there you go, Chicago Bear's Trans traveling to see Caleb Williams get picked 460 00:26:26,408 --> 00:26:28,934 to go have sushi in Detroit. 461 00:26:28,934 --> 00:26:29,824 burger, fries and sushi. 462 00:26:29,824 --> 00:26:31,094 What else could you want? 463 00:26:31,094 --> 00:26:34,814 Well, thank you for joining me today to talk about the draft. 464 00:26:34,814 --> 00:26:35,794 Make sure you tune in. 465 00:26:35,794 --> 00:26:39,714 And if you want to, I'll put the links in the show notes, but to our NFL play 466 00:26:39,714 --> 00:26:44,774 calling podcast that we talked about, as well as our NFL combine, which is the 467 00:26:44,774 --> 00:26:47,534 tryout essentially for the players going into the draft. 468 00:26:47,534 --> 00:26:50,054 I'll put that link in the show notes as well. 469 00:26:50,054 --> 00:26:54,814 And of course, NFL drinking game, NFL draft drinking game. 470 00:26:54,874 --> 00:26:56,532 Have a great week.