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Welcome back to the podcast, everybody.

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Thank you for joining us again on this wonderful Tuesday.

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Today, we're revisiting one of our most popular conversations, Father John, the Catholic
Exorcist.

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I think people gravitated toward this one because he was so down to earth and sincere in
his explanations, his stories, and his advice.

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He led us through the ins and outs of exorcism in great detail.

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his cases and so much more.

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If you've never heard this one, you're in for a treat.

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And if you have, we hope you enjoy hearing it again.

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I think it's extremely relevant in light of what happened last week with the assassination
of Charlie Kirk.

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Whatever you think about him, I'm not here to tell you one way or another how you should
think about someone in the political sphere.

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It was just a disgusting display of cowardice and evil.

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Something that Father John touches on this interview.

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It's just so dark.

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ah It bothered me for been bothering me for multiple days now.

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Not only that you took away a father and a husband, but the celebrating that occurred
after that, was so violent to watch it on like 4k, you know, I've seen this horrific act,

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but on top of that, the celebrating that occurred afterward on social media, I had to turn
it off.

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Like if that isn't the definition of how social media is toxic and poisonous to like youth
and minds and just this disconnect.

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from one human being to another.

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mean, a human being got murdered in front of everyone and people were celebrating.

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I can't even wrap my mind around that really still really, really bothers me.

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I don't know why, maybe because I'm older, I'm a parent and I've never been this
pessimistic on society.

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When my dad was alive, he used to talk about this kind of stuff.

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This same kind of attitude toward things.

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And I used to blow him off and think it was no big deal.

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And now I'm exactly where he was mentally, I think.

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And it sucks.

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So maybe this is a little bit for me too, posting this.

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It was even more bothersome as I don't think there's anything you can do about it.

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That's what really gets me.

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Like I don't think this kind of thing changes, hating one another and dehumanizing one
another.

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Like I don't think any of it changes, but not to bring everybody down.

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I apologize, but it's just been kind of on my mind a lot the last few days.

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We haven't talked about it much on a podcast because I think we try to keep it, you know,
into the lane that we're in.

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If it comes up, it comes up.

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Obviously we have talked about this kind of stuff before, but for me, a lot of this stuff
has always been escape because you can find politics.

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You can find the debating, the arguing, all the vile, all that stuff.

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You can find that out on every show across social media and cable news everywhere.

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It's everywhere.

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So we tried to do a little bit different here, but obviously with something like this,
it's hard not to comment on it.

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It's very hard.

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All right, enough of me talking.

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Let's get to Father John.

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So thank you Father for coming on.

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We really appreciate that.

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It's nice to be here.

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Jumping into it.

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um Maybe a little bit about yourself or how you came to be an exorcist and kind of what
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I've been a priest like 30 years now.

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So I want to say 15 years ago, I remember watching the evening news and it was like flash,
Rome has begun exorcism course.

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And I'm sitting listening to this.

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I'm thinking, you know, we didn't really cover that in seminary.

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Like, I probably should know something about that.

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I remember that in back of my head.

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So we fast forward about five years and I've been a parish priest most of my first 17
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Different parishes, pastor twice.

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I ended up getting sent to a part of California where there was a lot of prisons to live
with an older priest who was turning 80.

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And I'm a religious priest so we don't live alone.

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And my boss didn't really like the idea that the pastor was 80 years old, living by
himself in this little parish in the middle of kind of out in the country.

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Said, well, you know, go live there, but you know, it's a really small church, so they
can't afford two of you, so find a job.

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You know, we got bills pay, we we got seminarians, we got older guys, you know, who need
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So everything around me is like a prison one way and a prison another way.

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So I'm applying and.

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prisons are turning me down, prisons are turning me down.

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And then this new hospital is being built, specialized in rapists and child abusers.

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And I thought to myself, really, God?

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Really?

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This is the only place that will hire me.

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So I worked there for about two years, got to know the other chaplains and other state
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We'd have a conference like every couple of years.

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I was at a conference one time and a prison that the Franciscans had been taking care of
for a long time, the chaplain was like 82, 83.

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And I figured, well, he may be retiring soon.

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So I mentioned to him, hey, you know, when you think about retiring, let me know.

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looked at me like I had offended him.

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Okay, he's offended because I made some remark about him being close to retirement age.

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He called me a few weeks and he said, you know, I've been praying for somebody because I'm
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So I transferred into the prison and I was there about a year.

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One day he shows up as a retired chaplain and he says, here's some books for you to read.

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Like people give me books all the time.

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They sit in the corner of my room and I think about, am I going to read this or not?

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Is it really a topic I need to read?

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And the books he gives me is about exorcists.

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Amarth, the exorcist from Rome, he had started reading some books on his experiences as
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He goes, you know, the diocese doesn't have an exorcist.

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It's like, and how is that my problem?

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So I took the books, threw them in the corner of my room and I started to think about,
well, you know, if anybody's got this stuff, like,

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As Asha and demons, I bet the guys in prison got their share.

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And I bet I'm not even recognizing it.

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And if I did recognize it, how is it I would help them?

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That's pretty extreme though.

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No, but I mean, we didn't talk about it in the seminary.

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didn't talk about it.

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So I'm like just an average Joe Catholic here realizing that, ah so if somebody's in the
middle of a serious spiritual struggle and they really have demonic activity.

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Yeah, who's the spiritual expert supposed to be?

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It's supposed to be a priest.

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And I don't know where to even start.

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Don't even know the questions to ask.

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Yeah, that's like a...

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And after 17 years of being a priest, I started thinking to myself, well, you know, there
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had to admit I knew nothing about what to do.

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So that kind of haunted me a little bit.

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Well, the bishop comes to the prison every once in a while.

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So I had his email.

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So I just shot him an email and said, by the way, bishop, you know, blah, blah, blah,
blah, blah, do you know anything about this course in Rome?

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He goes, no, but I know somebody who just was involved in that.

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If anybody knows, he'll know.

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So then I shot him an email and he shot it right back to me and said, yeah.

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And he's a few hours from me.

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And I said, well, know, my day off, can I come up and let's have a.

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You know, let's have a coke, have something to drink, coffee, and just talk about this
whole thing about learning about healing and deliverance.

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The category for the church that exorcism falls in is healing and deliverance.

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Exorcism is just one piece in healing and deliverance.

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And so as most things go, and old priests tell me this, and I thought it was so funny, but
so true.

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basically boils down to if you got the money, you get the permission.

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If you don't got the money, you don't get the permission.

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So I talked to the bishop about going to Rome to take the course.

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Because, oh, no, no, we don't send people there to go.

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Bishop, if I get the money, can I go?

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Oh, yes, you have my blessing.

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You can go.

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But we're not going to pay $1,500 airfare, put you up, and then it'd be $3,000, $4,000
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Yeah, we're not going to be $5,000.

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not doing that because everybody's going to be signing up for stuff like that.

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So I said, fine.

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So that year uh was 2010.

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It was Oberammergau year where there's this huge festival in a little village in Germany
where they do the Passion Play.

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They've been doing it for 700 years.

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Oh, that must They started doing it during the plague and they promised God that they
would do the Passion Play every 10 years, forever.

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if they spared their village from the plague.

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And the village was spared and it has.

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Every 10 years, it does passion play.

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There's like hundred cast members.

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People come from all over Europe.

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That's all they want every 10 years.

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I was gonna ask that.

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There's a morning one.

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There's an afternoon one.

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It runs from like May to September.

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And it seats like 5,000 people.

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Is it like a pilgrimage for some people in that sense?

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It is a pilgrimage.

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And they usually go to some other sites.

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There was a lady who was trying to put a pilgrimage together, was Oberammergau and the
Shroud of Turin.

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Well, I've got a great love of the Shroud of Turin and you need a priest to go along.

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Oh, you got your guy.

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Because it was going to be on full display and they rarely take it out of the case.

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About every 25 years they take it out of case and put it so you can really see it.

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We started in Italy, we ended in Germany.

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You have to go over the Alps.

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bus.

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So I'm literally in a small bus going over the Alps and there's this argument in the back
of the bus between different people about the devil is real or he's not real.

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It's just kind of, you know, a theological thing.

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It's not a real being.

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And I'm watching the snow and it's beautiful.

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I don't want to get sucked into this conversation.

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But my ears kind of listening and all of a sudden God drops

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Look, and the lady says, you know, I told the bishop, if you had anybody that wanted to go
to the course in Rome on exorcism, I would pay the whole thing.

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I'm just like, So on a bus over the Alps, find your finances.

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And so I let a few minutes go up and I turn around and the person says, we need to talk
during lunch tomorrow.

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Well, within a little bit of time, I said her, okay, this is the dates.

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And I talked to that priest who had been to the class before and I said, you know, I'm
going to go all the way to Rome for the class and it's a Monday through Saturday class,

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but there's a lot of exorcists in Rome.

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There used to be about eight.

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It would be foolish to go all that way and not sit with an exorcist and just watch.

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It's one thing to know the info.

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It's another, you you can.

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read a book about surgery, it's a whole other thing.

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Yeah, like anything, hands on experience.

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Right, right.

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It's just like being a dad, you know?

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You read a book about being a dad, now being a dad, that's like, looks very different.

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And then all of sudden you're paying attention to how your brother's a dad or how your
best friend's a dad, cause you know, the clock is ticking, you're already nine months in,

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you know, you're six months in, you're just like, I'm gonna be a dad really soon, I'm
gonna be up at the plate, I need to know how to do this, right?

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And so I said to my friend, what do you think about me taking the course, but staying and
then meeting with exorcists and just sitting in and watching this?

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says, oh, I can set you up because a friend of mine who's in Rome, who's a journalist,
knows them all.

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So all of a sudden, it just started coming together.

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And I mean, I couldn't make it happen.

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I was just sitting there just like, OK.

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Now, being an exorcist is an appointment of the bishop.

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Technically, the bishop is the exorcist in his diocese.

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That's one of the ministries as bishop.

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That is his.

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He may choose to delegate that to someone else.

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He can delegate that just for this particular individual or as a permanent position.

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So in some dioceses, the bishop says, okay, this person's come to you.

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They're having a lot of spiritual problems.

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I delegate to you the authority.

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to pray the rite of exorcism prayer over this person.

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But it's only for one specific person for one specific situation.

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you don't have, it's not a requirement to go to Rome and take that course necessarily.

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It's the bishop's choice who he delegates his exorcist.

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Like many things, the bishop wants to know that have they trained?

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Do they know what they're doing?

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Have they done this before?

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Okay.

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There are certain qualifications.

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Person's supposed to be either a priest or a deacon in extreme situations.

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Has to be in good standing, have a good moral, spiritual life.

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Because the devil's going to push back on you.

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He doesn't say, you know, you're being evicted and he said, okay, I'll pack up and I'll go
now.

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You know, I'm sorry, I'm bad.

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He's going to say, you think so?

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You think I got to leave?

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What makes you think I got to leave?

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Who are you to tell me I got to leave?

246
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How long was the training in Rome?

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uh It's a week.

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It's a Monday through Friday.

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Monday through Saturday.

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couldn't believe they had a Saturday part of And I read that and said, no, are they crazy?

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Saturday too?

252
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They only get Sundays off?

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Italians are crazy.

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And so it started like 8 o'clock and it went to a 5 o'clock Monday through Saturday.

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Is it academic?

256
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Is it like?

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Almost all.

258
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The last day is kind of like a panel with exorcists, psychologists.

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And it was just vastly different than you said in seminary, you never got anything.

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was it just like somebody opened up like the doors for you in terms of understanding?

261
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And I guess the question would be, why do you think it's not taught?

262
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Well, they say, and here's how I've had other priests tell me this.

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In the sixties, and most of the guys teaching now,

264
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grew up and were like in the seminary in the 60s.

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There was this great influx of psychology, social sciences.

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So there was this great theme that, you know, a lot of that stuff that Jesus talks about
is just schizophrenia and other stuff.

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He just didn't have all this great social science.

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Like Jesus didn't know a demonic person from a sick person.

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All right.

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And so there was a lot of downplaying about a lot of these demons and all this.

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This is just, you know, ancient way in which they understood people with psychiatric
issues.

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And so it wasn't really taught very well.

273
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It wasn't really emphasized that no, it really does exist.

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And the church really does have exorcist.

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It's really been

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revived since Amorth's time in the last 40, 50 years, that bishops have taken that
seriously and taking that role of casting out, because that's what exorcism means, to cast

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out from someone a demonic presence in them.

278
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And what would you say turned that tide to where it was starting to be recognized more
over the, was it an individual, was Amorth, or was it more of maybe the social sciences

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and psychology couldn't

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really explain everything that was there.

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And so it started to kind of come back around.

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You know, that's a really good question.

283
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I know that Amorth made it uh public.

284
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He wrote about it.

285
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And shall we say, as an old priest told me one time, sometimes, you know, Mother Church
has a lot of stuff in the attic that people forgot about that's really good.

286
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You know, some of the old remedies grandma taught us, we thought she was nuts, was actual
herbal stuff.

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that they had figured out for a couple hundred years and you know, we forgot all about
that and so somebody puts it in a box and now sells it for money.

288
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hey, the same stuff.

289
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Grandma used to in the backyard, she used to pick these herbs, she'd make a tea and made
my throat much better.

290
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But back then we thought that was crazy and now it's like, oh, herbal, it's good.

291
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Yeah, yeah, now it's all the same.

292
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You have to pay a bunch of money.

293
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Yeah, she was like, we just invented it this week.

294
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It's been going on a long time.

295
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We just rediscovered something very old from the attic.

296
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Yeah.

297
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It's been there.

298
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Well, exorcism has been in the church since the beginning.

299
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It was common with Jews before Jesus.

300
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Jesus has been a street.

301
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We have not taught it well.

302
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We have not prepared priests well to recognize that when they come across it in confession
and conversation that

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Okay, this is more than normal temptation.

304
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There's something more going on here.

305
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You said you shadowed a priest in Rome for a while.

306
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Now I don't know what you can say or not say or talk about or whatever experience you had
over there.

307
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Did you ever have a moment where you were...

308
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Yeah, the person from the TV who saw it, that read the books about it, and then now you're
in a room with it.

309
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I guess that's scary.

310
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I don't want to say that fascinating is the word.

311
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So this person uh would teach during the day in a seminary in Rome, and he would meet
people in the afternoons, four or five people, you know, about an hour time.

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Each person was very different.

313
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Some little old ladies who, you know, I wouldn't say, but little women who are maybe 90
pounds at their most and take like four or five guys to hold them down.

314
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So this is not possible.

315
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How do they have all this strength?

316
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It was the change in their demeanor.

317
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You know, because they'd come in, they'd sit down, and he'd ask them, how's it been since
I saw you last?

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What's different?

319
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And you're listening to this conversation.

320
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Yeah, it's Italian, but you're listening to this conversation.

321
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And just in a few moments after they lay down, the voice changes, the demeanor changes.

322
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Just the sound of them changes.

323
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And there's this harshness.

324
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And I speak Portuguese and I speak Spanish.

325
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And so I've got a little of the Italian going on and it was just like, okay, this is not
the same person who just walked in the room a few minutes ago.

326
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Is that chilling to you at all or at first at least?

327
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was troubling.

328
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I was kind of like trying to put this all together exactly what's going on here because
just a few moments ago they're like this and now they're like this.

329
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uh

330
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like two in one, then they would leave and he'd kind of, there was a lady there was kind
of a translator for me and she'd say, okay, this kind of situation, this person, we've

331
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been seeing them so long, they've been getting better.

332
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These are the issues they've been having.

333
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And you could just see in the person's face how they were uh really struggling with
something that uh combination of frightened them and deep concern.

334
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And some of them were traveling for hours to come see this person because there wasn't
anybody near them who knew how to be of help or would be of help.

335
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When I get people who come to me, I don't know easily third, fourth priest they've seen.

336
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I think one of people I've seen recently, I'm like the 13th priest they have seen.

337
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What would be the reason for that?

338
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Is it just that complicated of cases or people without the training and outcomes to
someone like you who's had the training and the experience to address it?

339
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Or maybe exhaustion.

340
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People go to the first person they know.

341
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And if the first priest you go to isn't familiar with healing and deliverance, it's like
going to a GP physician.

342
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I've never seen this before.

343
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I don't know what this is.

344
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That's a really good analogy.

345
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Okay, yeah, maybe I need to send you to a therapist, okay?

346
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Because it's hard to wrap my mind around the fact that this is really demonic, okay?

347
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Because then there's a different avenue of treatment as opposed to mental health, all
right?

348
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Poor people that have to go through that kind of...

349
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You're right.

350
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You might not see a good doctor, not saying that it's not a good person, but like just
without the knowledge and then you're going down this winding road.

351
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It's experience.

352
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It's kind of like, you know, you look at something, if you've never seen it before, you
don't know what you're looking at.

353
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Right.

354
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That's true.

355
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So you might send them to somebody in the parish as a counselor and say, would you listen
to this person?

356
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Because I don't know what to make of their story.

357
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Right.

358
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I don't know what to make of it.

359
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And so they do that and they come back and they say, Father, I don't know.

360
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And so then that priest...

361
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Either says, well, I don't know what to do for you, or there's a priest in the area who
you might want to go talk to, or I forward you to the bishop because I don't know what to

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do.

363
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This is beyond my area of expertise.

364
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And I think she went through a number of people like that.

365
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Her case is rather involved, very complicated.

366
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It has to do with satanic stuff.

367
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It has to do with stuff that went on when they were very, very small.

368
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I get people who come to me and I meet with people with a team.

369
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There's at least four or five people with me.

370
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I'm fortunate to have one, if not two psychologists in the room with me at the time.

371
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I was just going to say, I was just going to touch base.

372
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No, go ahead.

373
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was going say, have they kind of seen the person before that point or screened them or
kind of like went through?

374
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I imagine somebody who's been to 13 different people has probably seen somebody for mental
health.

375
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They've seen a lot of different things.

376
00:24:08,704 --> 00:24:09,584
Yeah.

377
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According to how the Church of United States allows the rite of exorcism to be used, you
have to rule out that it's a medical issue, that it's a psychiatric issue.

378
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So for it to go the whole thing to end up being used the rite of exorcism, the formal
church's prayer for deliverance, you have to rule out that it's not a psychological issue,

379
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that it's not a health issue.

380
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you know, some kind of cancer, some kind of weird blood disease, some kind of something
else that explains that.

381
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Then you can say, okay, if we rule out this and this, okay, so what makes you think it's
spiritual?

382
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So I get people and they call me, they get my name, they show up at the door.

383
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I have like an eighth page questionnaire.

384
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It's all about spiritual stuff, about growing up, spiritual life, going to church, not
going to church, you know, been to confession, been involved with.

385
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all different kinds of occult practices, Ouija board, all that stuff, which could be an
entry point for evil into our life.

386
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And I just, they fill that out ahead of time, email it to me, I read it.

387
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So we understand kind of like what we're meeting when we meet with them, what their age
is, who's coming with them.

388
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And the thing that always gets me, because we used to meet in this room initially,
originally,

389
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is they come in very shy and almost embarrassed.

390
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And very soon into the conversation, like the third sentence, they'll say, you won't
believe me.

391
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And he's like, you have no idea what I believe.

392
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You have no idea what I have seen.

393
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And then all of a sudden it's like,

394
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It's like a huge weight is lifted off their face, you know, because they have tried to get
help in many places and been turned away and not treated with concern.

395
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They basically just start crying that somebody finally will take them seriously, that it's
spiritual.

396
00:26:26,601 --> 00:26:32,263
Because in their bones, they know that it's not medical.

397
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They know it's not psychological, you know.

398
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Most of these people are least 30, 40, 50 years old and kind of know themselves pretty
well then, okay.

399
00:26:42,300 --> 00:26:44,980
It happens when I go to church.

400
00:26:44,980 --> 00:26:48,440
It happens when I'm around something sacred.

401
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:52,840
It happens, you know, in the middle of mass.

402
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,460
It doesn't happen in the middle of the theater.

403
00:26:55,460 --> 00:26:57,080
It doesn't happen.

404
00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:59,620
It's very specific, okay?

405
00:26:59,620 --> 00:27:03,280
The devil's affected by holy things.

406
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he becomes agitated when he becomes agitated, the person who he's dwelling in is going to
experience that agitation.

407
00:27:12,819 --> 00:27:19,198
you talk about the devil, Satan, and then you talk about demons, what is the connection
between those two things?

408
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they one and all?

409
00:27:21,802 --> 00:27:23,232
Are they separate entities?

410
00:27:23,232 --> 00:27:29,264
How is that when you say that maybe Satan doesn't get agitated, how is that trickling down
into that person?

411
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You know, I kind of believe that we Catholics are like kids who connect the dots.

412
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Remember that?

413
00:27:36,408 --> 00:27:40,428
We have all kinds of dots that we pick up through life.

414
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Some catechism, I was a CCD kid, and some from homilies, some from stuff we listen on TV.

415
00:27:48,728 --> 00:27:55,728
So we've got all these little spiritual pieces and sometimes it doesn't come into focus
well.

416
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And one of the things I think we don't do well for the average person in the pew is just
like, how do we get the devil anyway?

417
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And how did this all start?

418
00:28:05,288 --> 00:28:07,848
And why does he hate us so much?

419
00:28:07,848 --> 00:28:12,427
Because if you don't get the big picture, then you don't understand what's this?

420
00:28:12,427 --> 00:28:15,128
What's this that's in my face right now?

421
00:28:15,208 --> 00:28:25,388
The best I've heard explained by a really inspirational theologian told me in the
creation, when God first created the angels,

422
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He basically explained to them the plan, creating you.

423
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A little while down the road here, we're going to create humans out of Earth.

424
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Yeah, there's going to be a fall.

425
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And then my son will be born human to save them.

426
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And then his human mother will become queen of heaven.

427
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:55,348
And from some of the mystics and some of the ancient writing, that's when Lucifer, the
light bearer, he was so

428
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He was as close to an angel as ever going to be like God.

429
00:29:00,508 --> 00:29:05,328
He said, if you're going to be anything, you need to be like us angels.

430
00:29:05,768 --> 00:29:07,268
Why are you going to be?

431
00:29:07,388 --> 00:29:09,288
Those are just like little earth dolls.

432
00:29:09,288 --> 00:29:12,427
You blow some breath into them.

433
00:29:12,728 --> 00:29:14,008
Why are you going to do that?

434
00:29:14,008 --> 00:29:21,948
And this serving a queen who's human, us angels serving something less than us?

435
00:29:21,948 --> 00:29:25,828
See, that was his pride.

436
00:29:26,364 --> 00:29:35,028
that he would be in heaven and his queen would be human and he would have to serve an
earthly queen.

437
00:29:35,349 --> 00:29:38,651
And he's like, no, I'm gonna do that.

438
00:29:39,071 --> 00:29:43,794
And so there's this rift in heaven, the war breaks out, revelations.

439
00:29:43,794 --> 00:29:47,896
Saint Michael leads the charge, about a third of the angels fall.

440
00:29:48,176 --> 00:29:53,059
In the Bible, when people change positions, their name changes.

441
00:29:53,059 --> 00:29:54,900
Abraham goes to Abraham.

442
00:29:55,106 --> 00:29:56,658
Simon goes to Peter.

443
00:29:56,658 --> 00:30:01,341
One of the first questions they asked the Pope, do you accept the election?

444
00:30:01,442 --> 00:30:05,055
The next question, and by what name shall we call you?

445
00:30:05,055 --> 00:30:12,962
Because the Bible understands that when your role in life radically changes, you're a
different person.

446
00:30:12,962 --> 00:30:14,603
So you get a new name.

447
00:30:14,924 --> 00:30:17,166
They're no longer angels, they're demons.

448
00:30:17,166 --> 00:30:19,828
They're no longer obedient to God.

449
00:30:19,828 --> 00:30:21,353
Unlike us.

450
00:30:21,353 --> 00:30:25,166
When angels are created, they have full understanding.

451
00:30:25,166 --> 00:30:30,281
They have no lapses in their understanding, in their memory.

452
00:30:30,562 --> 00:30:35,686
They knew exactly what would happen if they chose against God.

453
00:30:35,746 --> 00:30:40,771
They knew exactly the consequences, and they chose anyway.

454
00:30:40,771 --> 00:30:47,348
Now, they're looking at you and me and saying, you're going to go where I can't go back
to?

455
00:30:47,348 --> 00:30:50,089
You're going to be in the eternal bliss that I left.

456
00:30:50,089 --> 00:30:58,033
Oh, that's like a jilted lover saying, well, if I can't have them, nobody's going to have
them.

457
00:30:58,413 --> 00:31:02,975
So I'm going to mess with them because I'm going to make them be with me down there.

458
00:31:02,975 --> 00:31:14,300
And so they tempt us, they badger us because the idea that you're going to be in the
kingdom they can't return to eats them up.

459
00:31:14,412 --> 00:31:17,572
In terms of kind of one where what's his ultimate goal?

460
00:31:17,572 --> 00:31:19,312
I mean, I know to turn us from God.

461
00:31:19,312 --> 00:31:21,652
Is it something like as far as suicide?

462
00:31:21,652 --> 00:31:26,372
I mean, what's the ultimate when he is starting to haunt, possess, do these types of
things to people?

463
00:31:26,372 --> 00:31:33,812
And then the other would be I'm always wondering, like, how does that spiritual world
layered on ours in terms of are they sitting here watching us right now in this

464
00:31:33,812 --> 00:31:34,292
conversation?

465
00:31:34,292 --> 00:31:38,812
Like how, how does that working when, you know, kind of the devil's watching or attempting
you?

466
00:31:38,812 --> 00:31:42,203
They're much more involved in our world than we realize.

467
00:31:42,203 --> 00:31:48,695
would say that if you could see angels, the sky is just filled with them.

468
00:31:48,695 --> 00:31:50,525
Okay?

469
00:31:50,525 --> 00:31:52,166
So they're all around us.

470
00:31:52,426 --> 00:31:55,147
So they watch us real well.

471
00:31:55,147 --> 00:31:58,848
They can't read our thoughts, but they read us.

472
00:31:59,788 --> 00:32:03,289
Just like your wives read you.

473
00:32:03,289 --> 00:32:04,589
Okay?

474
00:32:04,889 --> 00:32:10,023
You don't have to say one thing before morning coffee, and she can tell you what kind of
mood you're in.

475
00:32:11,385 --> 00:32:15,608
And the kids have figured out pretty fast how to read that.

476
00:32:15,608 --> 00:32:17,099
Right.

477
00:32:17,099 --> 00:32:24,543
Well, demons or fallen angels, they can see how much your eye dilates.

478
00:32:25,425 --> 00:32:37,532
They can see how you breathe, how you flush, whether a person walks by and you notice
them, whether or not your eyes dilate because you find them attractive.

479
00:32:38,273 --> 00:32:41,015
They can tell by how you listen.

480
00:32:41,639 --> 00:32:43,480
Can I hook them on this?

481
00:32:44,061 --> 00:32:44,722
Okay.

482
00:32:44,722 --> 00:32:46,343
So they read our externals.

483
00:32:46,343 --> 00:32:53,869
They can't read our minds, but they read us so they know what interests you.

484
00:32:54,069 --> 00:33:01,075
It's like if you have a partner at work, how long does it take before I know exactly what
they order for lunch?

485
00:33:01,756 --> 00:33:04,137
Exactly what kind of coffee they want?

486
00:33:04,358 --> 00:33:06,300
Exactly what they don't want?

487
00:33:06,300 --> 00:33:10,649
I tell the guys at prison all the time, he's still polishing the apple.

488
00:33:10,649 --> 00:33:15,583
He's still saying, well, you know, if you just take a bite, you'll be blah, blah, blah,
blah.

489
00:33:16,244 --> 00:33:19,818
And like he said to Eve, it's only partially true.

490
00:33:19,818 --> 00:33:22,169
He said to her, you will be like God.

491
00:33:22,169 --> 00:33:24,161
He never says the downside.

492
00:33:24,161 --> 00:33:26,263
He never says the price.

493
00:33:26,263 --> 00:33:27,533
You will be like God.

494
00:33:27,533 --> 00:33:29,244
You will know good from evil.

495
00:33:29,244 --> 00:33:34,267
Well, you know, I could have lived very well in ignorance over that.

496
00:33:34,367 --> 00:33:36,248
I would have loved that kind of ignorance.

497
00:33:36,248 --> 00:33:38,079
But he never tells people what the price is.

498
00:33:38,079 --> 00:33:39,770
Mm-hmm.

499
00:33:39,850 --> 00:33:41,962
OK, and there's usually some good in that.

500
00:33:41,962 --> 00:33:43,472
Yeah, to be like God.

501
00:33:43,693 --> 00:33:46,174
Shouldn't we want to aspire to be like God?

502
00:33:47,306 --> 00:33:48,887
Not that what?

503
00:33:48,927 --> 00:33:54,812
He's a master at figuring out what each person's desert of choice is.

504
00:33:54,872 --> 00:33:56,574
How are people most tempted?

505
00:33:56,574 --> 00:33:57,885
I guess it depends on the person.

506
00:33:57,885 --> 00:33:59,796
And like you said, what?

507
00:34:00,077 --> 00:34:01,798
Well, just look at our society.

508
00:34:01,798 --> 00:34:02,679
Right.

509
00:34:02,679 --> 00:34:06,352
Where society all wrapped up in things.

510
00:34:06,352 --> 00:34:07,603
I was going to say material things.

511
00:34:07,603 --> 00:34:08,453
Yeah.

512
00:34:08,453 --> 00:34:11,025
somehow that is going to make you happy.

513
00:34:11,126 --> 00:34:13,067
Totally wrapped up in the Internet.

514
00:34:13,067 --> 00:34:16,840
Totally wrapped up in inappropriate stuff in the Internet.

515
00:34:17,038 --> 00:34:24,738
totally wrapped up that there is some hole in them that booze or drugs or sex is going to
fill.

516
00:34:24,758 --> 00:34:35,658
For clarity for us, when you talk about addiction, you talk about substance abuse or if
it's the internet, whatever the device may be or the sin or whatever it is, how, is it

517
00:34:35,658 --> 00:34:36,458
like a window?

518
00:34:36,458 --> 00:34:39,418
Is it like kind of a damaging to the soul that it takes advantage of?

519
00:34:39,418 --> 00:34:41,178
Like, how is that using that?

520
00:34:41,178 --> 00:34:44,322
Is he using the addiction or is he like using that as a window?

521
00:34:44,322 --> 00:34:50,004
when the people are reaching for something He uses anything he can, okay?

522
00:34:50,084 --> 00:34:58,067
Often people have had in their life experience, especially as children, painful events.

523
00:34:59,088 --> 00:35:05,531
If they're not addressed and healed with, they abscess over time.

524
00:35:05,871 --> 00:35:13,614
know, people who've lost loved ones when they're little, people who abused, neglected, if
that pain

525
00:35:14,028 --> 00:35:19,601
that wound isn't dealt with, it's not healed.

526
00:35:19,601 --> 00:35:27,305
And it's a great opening for him because he kind of tempts them to look for something to
take that away.

527
00:35:27,305 --> 00:35:32,668
A lot of guys who haven't had decent dads, so they look for their buddies to be like dads.

528
00:35:32,668 --> 00:35:40,673
Well, then they hang out together a lot and wear, you know, bars and other stuff and do
things to fill that.

529
00:35:40,673 --> 00:35:43,894
And nobody's really helped them understand, you know.

530
00:35:43,928 --> 00:35:46,880
There's a deep pain in you that needs some healing.

531
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:55,467
There may be some sin involved that wasn't yours necessarily, but it has left some damage,
some wound in there.

532
00:35:55,467 --> 00:36:05,174
I think it's really hard for some people to deal with that and ask God to heal that and be
honest about, yeah, that did a lot of damage to me.

533
00:36:05,415 --> 00:36:09,498
Often when I deal with people who come to me.

534
00:36:10,258 --> 00:36:14,001
and they have having significant spiritual struggles.

535
00:36:14,001 --> 00:36:24,829
There have been some events in their life that have deepened, they wounded them and become
like access points for the evil one.

536
00:36:24,929 --> 00:36:27,781
So sometimes I think we have to be honest with people.

537
00:36:27,781 --> 00:36:32,935
So yeah, they went through hell and they're still in the middle of their hell.

538
00:36:33,155 --> 00:36:34,246
So how do we help them?

539
00:36:34,246 --> 00:36:35,317
How do we pray for them?

540
00:36:35,317 --> 00:36:36,822
How do we encourage them?

541
00:36:36,822 --> 00:36:38,172
How do we be there for them?

542
00:36:38,172 --> 00:36:45,064
There's a lot of kids who've had hellacious experiences when they're young, especially
boys.

543
00:36:45,104 --> 00:36:48,705
And then later on, they're very physically active.

544
00:36:48,705 --> 00:36:49,734
They're very angry.

545
00:36:49,734 --> 00:36:51,726
They're very upset.

546
00:36:51,726 --> 00:36:54,807
They haven't sorted all that stuff out inside, but they don't know how.

547
00:36:54,807 --> 00:37:00,409
So how do you have big men in their life that say, okay, let's put on some gloves and go
outside.

548
00:37:00,409 --> 00:37:02,739
Let's box a little bit, okay.

549
00:37:02,739 --> 00:37:04,812
Or let's get involved in sports.

550
00:37:04,812 --> 00:37:16,587
Let's give you an avenue to physically express your anger and frustration as hopefully you
have somebody to talk to about this because boys process things differently and just

551
00:37:16,587 --> 00:37:18,718
having them to shove it to keep it in.

552
00:37:18,718 --> 00:37:20,989
It's just like, no, that's not going to help.

553
00:37:21,009 --> 00:37:24,210
martial arts is, I think, probably one of the best things for me.

554
00:37:24,210 --> 00:37:25,000
was at least.

555
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:26,131
I know.

556
00:37:26,131 --> 00:37:33,740
And that's an avenue for a male to express himself, to feel comfortable in his body, to
feel comfortable in.

557
00:37:33,740 --> 00:37:38,591
defending himself and processing a lot of deep stuff inside.

558
00:37:38,591 --> 00:37:48,868
yeah, and it's the discipline and I know it's very, you know, I mean, it's but when we see
males and they're young and they're angry, you know, I think we ought to ask myself, well,

559
00:37:48,868 --> 00:37:49,589
where'd that come from?

560
00:37:49,589 --> 00:37:51,400
Because God doesn't make them that way.

561
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:53,141
Something stirred the pot.

562
00:37:53,141 --> 00:37:56,002
And how do I help with a neighbor as a friend?

563
00:37:56,002 --> 00:38:00,465
Because they're going to learn from being around other men how to deal with that.

564
00:38:00,465 --> 00:38:02,826
And the devil is going to try and get him to

565
00:38:02,956 --> 00:38:05,578
You know, just hit that throttle full speed ahead.

566
00:38:05,578 --> 00:38:11,792
it's like, no, you know, men have to learn how to control their impulses.

567
00:38:12,953 --> 00:38:16,176
Or we put them behind bars because we can't control them.

568
00:38:16,176 --> 00:38:20,158
is that, and that's kind of taking it in a maybe a too far direction.

569
00:38:20,158 --> 00:38:29,075
Is that something you kind of see as with all the stuff that's going on today with the
shootings and like you think we're getting further and further away from recognizing that

570
00:38:29,075 --> 00:38:31,406
big shooting in Vegas?

571
00:38:31,756 --> 00:38:32,566
Remember?

572
00:38:32,566 --> 00:38:33,946
From the towers.

573
00:38:34,067 --> 00:38:39,188
The hotel called an exorcist then to go up there afterwards.

574
00:38:39,548 --> 00:38:40,548
Really?

575
00:38:40,749 --> 00:38:46,490
And I got this by a friend who knew the guy firsthand.

576
00:38:46,870 --> 00:38:52,712
And he stepped on the floor and he felt the presence of evil on that floor.

577
00:38:53,672 --> 00:38:57,993
No one wants to destroy life the way evil wants to destroy life.

578
00:38:57,993 --> 00:39:01,254
Everything that is holy, everything that is good,

579
00:39:01,486 --> 00:39:04,266
He wants to subvert it in a different way.

580
00:39:04,346 --> 00:39:08,526
Yeah, because with that case, they're still like, we don't know why did it.

581
00:39:08,526 --> 00:39:21,117
We don't know why he did if you're looking for a psychological, therapeutic, I think you
need to look a little deeper as far as why spiritually would people take all that up there

582
00:39:21,117 --> 00:39:25,537
and then just want to kill for the sake of killing.

583
00:39:25,597 --> 00:39:29,433
Very much sounds like somebody who's on the dark side who's

584
00:39:29,433 --> 00:39:30,793
I would say possessed.

585
00:39:30,853 --> 00:39:32,193
I would say possessed.

586
00:39:32,533 --> 00:39:34,753
People say, well, you don't have any way of saying that.

587
00:39:34,893 --> 00:39:36,553
But who else?

588
00:39:36,553 --> 00:39:42,133
Who else wants to destroy life the way the evil one wants to destroy life?

589
00:39:42,133 --> 00:39:44,533
And that exorcist who went to the hotel?

590
00:39:44,533 --> 00:39:46,593
The staff didn't want to go on the floor.

591
00:39:47,213 --> 00:39:50,553
They wanted him to go up on the floor and bless each of the rooms.

592
00:39:51,093 --> 00:39:54,393
So they called him in and said, you know, we need to go through.

593
00:39:54,393 --> 00:39:58,553
Bless that room particularly, but the staff doesn't want to work on that floor.

594
00:39:58,681 --> 00:40:05,841
And does that happen under the radar more than people know in terms of these kind of
things happening in exorcist movies?

595
00:40:05,841 --> 00:40:18,401
I I got a text a few days ago from a friend of mine, was a police officer, that a 90 pound
lady jumped over a counter in a store getting a cup of coffee.

596
00:40:18,401 --> 00:40:23,561
And it took like four police officers to take her down.

597
00:40:24,161 --> 00:40:28,441
And she was ranting and raving and foaming at the mouth.

598
00:40:28,853 --> 00:40:33,615
It raises my suspicions about that.

599
00:40:33,615 --> 00:40:39,092
I said, you know, you really should go back and ask them, well, what set them off?

600
00:40:39,092 --> 00:40:40,853
Something religious set them off?

601
00:40:40,853 --> 00:40:42,705
What set them off?

602
00:40:42,705 --> 00:40:44,937
That's always that interesting question.

603
00:40:44,937 --> 00:40:45,977
What set them off?

604
00:40:45,977 --> 00:40:52,342
If it's really demonic, it'll usually have something to do with God, or they just want to
destroy life.

605
00:40:52,902 --> 00:40:58,182
But our society is going very quickly that way because they've lost its anchor to God.

606
00:40:59,162 --> 00:41:00,842
You do see that more and more and more.

607
00:41:00,842 --> 00:41:03,962
And evil's just having a heyday with people then.

608
00:41:03,962 --> 00:41:07,202
Because he can slowly move people to do something.

609
00:41:07,262 --> 00:41:14,722
I had, when I was in Rome for one of the presentations, they have an interesting saying in
Italian.

610
00:41:14,722 --> 00:41:19,422
We don't have the translation in English, really.

611
00:41:19,430 --> 00:41:27,030
Italian, they will say, you know, once you start slicing the salami, after a while the
whole salami is gone.

612
00:41:27,110 --> 00:41:32,090
Satan has a whole lifetime to get you.

613
00:41:32,350 --> 00:41:36,070
He can slice you as thin as tissue paper.

614
00:41:36,070 --> 00:41:41,650
Start when you're younger, a little bit more, a little bit more, and then slowly over
time.

615
00:41:42,050 --> 00:41:43,230
Morals and ethics are gone.

616
00:41:43,230 --> 00:41:44,470
Doesn't matter.

617
00:41:44,930 --> 00:41:48,678
And now we're on a really slippery slope down the rest of the way.

618
00:41:48,678 --> 00:41:51,118
And where do you see it stopping?

619
00:41:51,118 --> 00:41:54,898
I mean, as a person of faith and part of the church?

620
00:41:54,898 --> 00:42:02,209
Well, if you don't have a spiritual background, you're in the middle of a war and you
don't even know you're in the middle of a war.

621
00:42:02,209 --> 00:42:05,312
I got a call a few years back from a lady on the East Coast.

622
00:42:05,312 --> 00:42:06,753
She had been a Satanist.

623
00:42:06,753 --> 00:42:09,124
She was writing a book.

624
00:42:09,565 --> 00:42:17,291
I think she became Catholic, very devout, but was really explaining her experience with
Satanism.

625
00:42:18,173 --> 00:42:25,730
And one of her interesting comments was that uh demons smell sin.

626
00:42:25,730 --> 00:42:34,954
You know how they say about Saint Teresa, little flower, that if you prayed to her and
she's gonna answer, you smell roses.

627
00:42:34,954 --> 00:42:43,057
They used to say about Padre Pio that sometimes when he would walk in the room, people
would, there was this aroma that was unique.

628
00:42:43,938 --> 00:42:52,241
I think spiritually, we give off a sense, either of holiness or of sinfulness.

629
00:42:52,721 --> 00:42:54,966
And demons are attracted

630
00:42:54,966 --> 00:42:57,268
to the scent of evil.

631
00:42:57,268 --> 00:43:01,172
I think we totally underestimate going to confession.

632
00:43:01,172 --> 00:43:03,534
Confession really is a minor exorcism.

633
00:43:03,534 --> 00:43:04,735
It really is.

634
00:43:04,735 --> 00:43:11,121
You're asking God to deliver you from evil in your life.

635
00:43:11,141 --> 00:43:15,405
There's a meeting like every year in Rome for exorcists.

636
00:43:15,625 --> 00:43:20,950
One year it's for all the Italians speaking and the opposite year it's for everybody else
in the world.

637
00:43:21,346 --> 00:43:30,486
And when I went there, the guy who was president of the Exorcist Association, there was
about 400 guys there, I think, 300, 400 guys.

638
00:43:30,606 --> 00:43:35,926
He said, you know, if people would just go back to the sacrament of confession, most of
our work would be done.

639
00:43:35,926 --> 00:43:37,646
We wouldn't have that.

640
00:43:37,986 --> 00:43:50,318
People coming to me for confession, excuse me, for healing and deliverance, who believe
they're possessed, rarely are these people living.

641
00:43:50,318 --> 00:43:53,079
regular Catholic lives of faith.

642
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:58,222
They've been away from the sacraments, particularly the sacrament of confession.

643
00:43:58,222 --> 00:44:07,987
Often are carrying deep sin that has not been confessed, which is a very good entry point
for evil into them.

644
00:44:07,987 --> 00:44:13,170
And so when people call me, and I get calls sometimes from all over the country, okay?

645
00:44:13,846 --> 00:44:15,627
And I say, well, I need to see you tomorrow.

646
00:44:15,627 --> 00:44:22,851
And I go, no, you need to sit down and make a really good examination of conscience and go
to confession.

647
00:44:23,271 --> 00:44:31,116
But nothing I do is any good if you haven't gone to confession first.

648
00:44:31,116 --> 00:44:35,679
And any exorcist would say that, OK, go to confession first.

649
00:44:35,679 --> 00:44:41,842
Not just what you've done, sometimes what has been done to you and you're still angry and
bitter.

650
00:44:42,076 --> 00:44:44,447
and hurting, holding onto that.

651
00:44:44,447 --> 00:44:45,727
He loves that.

652
00:44:45,727 --> 00:44:52,709
I was praying over a person and I had a chatty demon, everyone's mother had chatty demons.

653
00:44:52,709 --> 00:44:58,250
The church strongly forbids us from having a conversation with them.

654
00:44:58,250 --> 00:45:10,214
I'm allowed to certain questions, but in this praying, he said something that just stopped
me because if people hate enough, it can become a curse.

655
00:45:10,214 --> 00:45:11,106
So the...

656
00:45:11,106 --> 00:45:22,326
Essence from what I took that the essence that deep nut in a curse is tremendous hate How
often do we for not careful let hate?

657
00:45:22,506 --> 00:45:31,086
Become too strong in us that we wish upon someone else That's something really bad What
happened to them?

658
00:45:31,346 --> 00:45:32,506
Oh?

659
00:45:32,506 --> 00:45:39,466
Demons gonna come running to help you facilitate that okay now all you need is the
internet

660
00:45:39,744 --> 00:45:44,876
yeah, curse my landlord, curse my ex-boyfriend, curse, you know, my ex.

661
00:45:44,876 --> 00:45:49,478
Yeah, you could go online and find stuff that's, shall we say, legitimate.

662
00:45:49,478 --> 00:45:58,591
A of people play in that stuff and they don't know what they're doing, but there's stuff
on the internet that, yeah, these people know what they're doing and they know how to

663
00:45:58,591 --> 00:46:02,434
teach people how to do some wicked, wicked stuff.

664
00:46:02,434 --> 00:46:10,174
Do you think the, like the, you know, like the seances and people trying to resurrect, I'm
not resurrect, but that would be a bad thing.

665
00:46:10,174 --> 00:46:18,314
I mean, I'm wrong or trying to talk to like, say, past relatives or loved one or something
that's passed away.

666
00:46:18,314 --> 00:46:19,574
Is that dangerous?

667
00:46:19,574 --> 00:46:21,514
Well, let's just talk about this.

668
00:46:21,514 --> 00:46:23,614
So where does that come from then?

669
00:46:23,614 --> 00:46:32,154
If there is some spiritual power behind that, from a Christian understanding, you have
God.

670
00:46:32,298 --> 00:46:34,920
And you have enemies of God.

671
00:46:35,140 --> 00:46:42,956
Well, God's not around, you know, exactly showing up at seances and speaking through
people.

672
00:46:42,956 --> 00:46:46,088
We don't have a history of that happening, okay.

673
00:46:46,228 --> 00:46:51,391
Now, can a demon show up and claim to be so-and-so?

674
00:46:51,412 --> 00:46:53,673
To mess with someone's grief?

675
00:46:53,814 --> 00:46:59,998
Can someone be possessed in one of the gifts that the devil gives the possessed person?

676
00:47:00,296 --> 00:47:03,178
is that they kind of do this clairvoyant stuff.

677
00:47:03,178 --> 00:47:07,502
They kind of have some knowledge of previous stuff.

678
00:47:07,502 --> 00:47:08,793
yeah, he does that.

679
00:47:08,793 --> 00:47:09,374
He does that.

680
00:47:09,374 --> 00:47:13,447
He often, you know, part of getting people to join him.

681
00:47:13,447 --> 00:47:16,099
So I'll give you, you know, some understanding of the future.

682
00:47:16,099 --> 00:47:17,821
I'll give you blah, blah, blah.

683
00:47:17,821 --> 00:47:20,503
But there was always a huge price with that.

684
00:47:20,503 --> 00:47:23,405
So you have to ask yourself, so where does that come from?

685
00:47:23,405 --> 00:47:28,489
Give you a great example, our culture, Harry Potter.

686
00:47:28,690 --> 00:47:29,546
Now,

687
00:47:29,546 --> 00:47:34,788
I remember reading all Harry Potter's books, and I have seen all the movies.

688
00:47:35,006 --> 00:47:39,130
I ask you this question, where is God in all of that?

689
00:47:39,766 --> 00:47:42,592
He does not exist in Harry Potter.

690
00:47:42,592 --> 00:47:49,196
There are wizards and witches, and there are bad wizards and witches.

691
00:47:49,196 --> 00:47:54,638
And so you can pick up a wand that you can control spiritual power.

692
00:47:54,898 --> 00:48:00,481
I think that's really dangerous because then kids want mom and dad to buy them a wand.

693
00:48:00,521 --> 00:48:02,222
Yeah, like me.

694
00:48:02,842 --> 00:48:04,733
I know, we always seen Harry Potter.

695
00:48:04,733 --> 00:48:09,065
So you think it's more about the dangers within the game.

696
00:48:09,065 --> 00:48:10,686
But here's the thing.

697
00:48:10,946 --> 00:48:13,528
The curses in Harry Potter are real curses.

698
00:48:13,528 --> 00:48:14,628
They're not made up.

699
00:48:14,628 --> 00:48:15,469
Really?

700
00:48:15,469 --> 00:48:17,310
They're not made up curses.

701
00:48:17,310 --> 00:48:18,530
So is it from...

702
00:48:18,952 --> 00:48:20,202
satanic material?

703
00:48:20,202 --> 00:48:22,303
it internet stuff that you've come across?

704
00:48:22,303 --> 00:48:28,825
You know, the lady that wrote that admits that she auto wrote that, that she was just
inspired.

705
00:48:28,825 --> 00:48:35,387
She used to write in a coffee house because she was poor and she couldn't pay for the heat
in London.

706
00:48:35,387 --> 00:48:38,627
And she said she just wrote it like it was automatic.

707
00:48:38,787 --> 00:48:48,430
A teacher, well, it's actually a principal of a school, told me, don't understand why this
is so popular because it's not that good literature, but it's just flying off the shelves.

708
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:54,011
So I kind of wonder about what's behind that, because there's no God in that.

709
00:48:54,031 --> 00:48:57,932
So can someone do it without knowing what's behind it?

710
00:48:57,932 --> 00:49:06,235
With the previous example, can someone be getting influenced through something and
behaving a certain way or acting a certain way without being aware of it?

711
00:49:06,235 --> 00:49:11,376
Or are people who have that kind of demonic presence always aware of that being there?

712
00:49:11,876 --> 00:49:18,638
People who are really involved in evil stuff love to get young children.

713
00:49:19,106 --> 00:49:22,967
whose minds are trusting.

714
00:49:23,047 --> 00:49:29,409
If you watch the exorcist movie, the original exorcist, the long version.

715
00:49:29,509 --> 00:49:29,909
Okay.

716
00:49:29,909 --> 00:49:31,809
I don't think I've seen the long one.

717
00:49:31,809 --> 00:49:38,848
There's a scene where the priest is asking the mother about everything and he's walking
through the house.

718
00:49:38,848 --> 00:49:42,412
He wants to see the whole house and she takes him down the basement.

719
00:49:42,412 --> 00:49:44,673
They're walking around and there's a box.

720
00:49:44,673 --> 00:49:48,898
And in the box he notices a Ouija board and he pulls it out.

721
00:49:48,898 --> 00:49:51,598
She says, and that's from my sister.

722
00:49:52,378 --> 00:49:53,778
She's a witch.

723
00:49:53,778 --> 00:49:56,678
She used to do that with my little girl.

724
00:49:56,778 --> 00:50:05,117
Eva likes to teach people at a young age before they're spiritually aware to know, yeah, I
shouldn't be doing that.

725
00:50:05,117 --> 00:50:05,958
It's just a game.

726
00:50:05,958 --> 00:50:07,538
Like, they saw that, what, in Toy Yeah.

727
00:50:07,538 --> 00:50:11,818
And so they don't see the spiritual significance of that.

728
00:50:11,898 --> 00:50:12,798
OK.

729
00:50:13,218 --> 00:50:17,538
And they, well, if this will do things, if this, oh, what do I need to do to get more
information?

730
00:50:17,698 --> 00:50:19,698
Well, you don't think the devil will play that.

731
00:50:19,698 --> 00:50:23,538
I'll move this around for you to get you a little bit more enlightened.

732
00:50:23,538 --> 00:50:25,458
It'll get you to believe.

733
00:50:25,458 --> 00:50:28,258
There was another movie called Veronica.

734
00:50:28,258 --> 00:50:31,998
based on a family and a teenage girl in South America.

735
00:50:31,998 --> 00:50:32,618
I haven't seen it, no.

736
00:50:32,618 --> 00:50:33,858
I stay away from those things.

737
00:50:33,858 --> 00:50:34,849
They scare me.

738
00:50:34,849 --> 00:50:36,529
Yeah, I wasn't really going to watch it either.

739
00:50:36,529 --> 00:50:38,449
But it was based on a Ouija board.

740
00:50:38,449 --> 00:50:41,689
They were in a Catholic school and there was a nun involved as well.

741
00:50:41,689 --> 00:50:45,229
she went to, at lunchtime, she went.

742
00:50:45,289 --> 00:50:52,209
with a couple other girls to the, I guess, don't know, the attic or whatever and messed
around the Ouija board and then became possessed by Yeah.

743
00:50:52,209 --> 00:50:57,349
For those people who see it, I mean, because I think I've touched one you have probably
when you're little, at least once.

744
00:50:57,349 --> 00:50:58,369
that a sleepover?

745
00:50:58,369 --> 00:50:58,829
Is that this?

746
00:50:58,829 --> 00:51:03,509
I remember being a little kid and mom buying it when it Christmas time.

747
00:51:03,509 --> 00:51:06,149
I know she had no clue what that was about.

748
00:51:06,149 --> 00:51:06,329
Okay.

749
00:51:06,329 --> 00:51:08,689
It was a toy, probably a cheap toy.

750
00:51:08,689 --> 00:51:09,029
Yeah.

751
00:51:09,029 --> 00:51:09,829
I'll buy that.

752
00:51:09,829 --> 00:51:11,609
So how does that work in terms of...

753
00:51:11,609 --> 00:51:13,589
It's like progression.

754
00:51:13,589 --> 00:51:14,377
Okay.

755
00:51:14,377 --> 00:51:21,697
get him to do this, they're fascinated by this, then he's going to want to up the game
with something else.

756
00:51:21,897 --> 00:51:28,177
He's going to want you to get interested in this whole spiritual thing, that he's going to
hand you something.

757
00:51:28,497 --> 00:51:31,057
But you're also going to have to give him something.

758
00:51:31,057 --> 00:51:35,097
And what are people giving for those who are like, you know, it's just a game.

759
00:51:35,097 --> 00:51:35,877
It's like...

760
00:51:35,877 --> 00:51:37,337
Yeah, they don't know that yet.

761
00:51:37,337 --> 00:51:39,857
It's like what they used to say about the pot.

762
00:51:39,857 --> 00:51:41,177
It's only a pot.

763
00:51:41,177 --> 00:51:44,175
But all the guys in prison tell me that's how they got started.

764
00:51:44,175 --> 00:51:46,226
and then they go to the next thing and the next.

765
00:51:46,226 --> 00:51:47,787
He's always upping the game.

766
00:51:47,787 --> 00:51:49,968
He looks real innocent.

767
00:51:50,349 --> 00:51:58,504
But for some kids who have lot of hurts or pain or want answers about mom or dad or their
life.

768
00:51:58,504 --> 00:52:00,647
becomes their new best friend.

769
00:52:00,647 --> 00:52:02,528
Let's ask the board.

770
00:52:02,889 --> 00:52:10,558
So it sounds like it's a piece kind of puzzle putting together versus like pain
spiritually and then the access to these things that start creating.

771
00:52:10,558 --> 00:52:14,712
He will use anything to slowly want a relationship.

772
00:52:14,712 --> 00:52:16,804
It's about building a relationship.

773
00:52:16,804 --> 00:52:20,088
Our relationship to God is about relationship to God.

774
00:52:20,276 --> 00:52:29,076
people being willing to follow the evil one and what he asks at the beginning, he's going
to be very hidden about that because it's very scary.

775
00:52:29,496 --> 00:52:34,356
And the stuff he asks is very offensive to the average person.

776
00:52:34,776 --> 00:52:38,976
So at the beginning, it's just something real simple like an apple, just like a wand.

777
00:52:38,976 --> 00:52:43,616
But ask yourselves as dads, what a kid's going to do with a wand?

778
00:52:43,716 --> 00:52:44,936
Cast spells.

779
00:52:45,376 --> 00:52:46,716
About something they want.

780
00:52:46,716 --> 00:52:50,496
then at an early age, we're teaching them that somehow

781
00:52:50,746 --> 00:52:53,897
They can control the spiritual world.

782
00:52:53,897 --> 00:52:56,678
How does that jive with what we understand in Christianity?

783
00:52:56,678 --> 00:52:59,359
Spiritual world is really powerful if you're not careful.

784
00:52:59,359 --> 00:53:02,119
Bad things can happen in that way.

785
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:06,461
So what would you be willing to do to turn your brother into our pig?

786
00:53:06,461 --> 00:53:08,521
Okay, honestly.

787
00:53:08,662 --> 00:53:14,283
don't think a little demon say, yeah, I'll teach you that.

788
00:53:14,283 --> 00:53:17,044
I'll teach you some little stuff here.

789
00:53:17,620 --> 00:53:19,311
So it's about deception and trickery.

790
00:53:19,311 --> 00:53:26,488
It's about power and you thinking that you can control that when in fact the demons
actually controlling this whole conversation now.

791
00:53:26,488 --> 00:53:30,752
He'll tempt you with the abuse guy.

792
00:53:30,752 --> 00:53:31,092
Okay.

793
00:53:31,092 --> 00:53:32,523
He's giving away chocolate.

794
00:53:32,523 --> 00:53:34,955
He's hanging around the ice cream truck.

795
00:53:34,955 --> 00:53:37,047
know, isn't this a little bit inappropriate?

796
00:53:37,047 --> 00:53:38,079
The guy's 45.

797
00:53:38,079 --> 00:53:38,388
Okay.

798
00:53:38,388 --> 00:53:38,999
Get a life.

799
00:53:38,999 --> 00:53:40,250
What are you doing around a bunch of kids?

800
00:53:40,250 --> 00:53:40,510
Okay.

801
00:53:40,510 --> 00:53:41,621
They're not yours.

802
00:53:41,621 --> 00:53:42,992
Something's not right here.

803
00:53:42,992 --> 00:53:45,094
You should have adult relationships.

804
00:53:45,172 --> 00:53:48,372
So this kid is playing with a wand.

805
00:53:48,372 --> 00:53:55,252
You're giving him too much room in his fantasy and imagination to think that he's going to
control this.

806
00:53:55,252 --> 00:54:02,592
When you're talking about the kind of deception as far as like Satan's concerned and
getting you to do one little step at a time, when it comes to hauntings, we can talk about

807
00:54:02,592 --> 00:54:08,192
possessed dolls and things in your house, I between ghosts and demons and kind of, I'm
sure it's model.

808
00:54:08,192 --> 00:54:10,972
Let's talk about hauntings, okay?

809
00:54:11,092 --> 00:54:12,832
When we die,

810
00:54:13,638 --> 00:54:15,789
and we go to judgment.

811
00:54:15,790 --> 00:54:20,233
The church has never said exactly where Purgatory is.

812
00:54:20,233 --> 00:54:30,270
So this is called speculative theology, where we kind of think, but we don't know for sure
because the scriptures don't say anything about that specifically and there's no

813
00:54:30,270 --> 00:54:31,481
declarations.

814
00:54:31,481 --> 00:54:35,965
But over centuries, people have witnessed ghosts.

815
00:54:35,965 --> 00:54:36,335
Right.

816
00:54:36,335 --> 00:54:39,687
Beings that they either knew or...

817
00:54:39,687 --> 00:54:40,908
uh

818
00:54:41,268 --> 00:54:44,169
perceived to be human, they talk to them and then they're gone.

819
00:54:44,169 --> 00:54:48,240
So the question is, okay, so how is this?

820
00:54:48,240 --> 00:54:49,881
Because people from hell can't do that.

821
00:54:49,881 --> 00:54:52,271
Okay, they're confined in hell.

822
00:54:52,271 --> 00:54:54,692
So who is this exactly then?

823
00:54:54,692 --> 00:55:00,073
What are we experiencing if we experience a ghost, shall we say?

824
00:55:00,194 --> 00:55:09,012
And probably the thing that makes most sense is, is this someone who their purgatory is in
this life for some reason?

825
00:55:09,012 --> 00:55:16,392
I've had calls from some of the mental hospitals in California, from Catholic chaplains
who work there.

826
00:55:17,012 --> 00:55:20,032
Some of the nurses down here, they're like, really?

827
00:55:20,212 --> 00:55:24,412
There's a wing, and people appeared to them and go, yeah, that's the price.

828
00:55:24,412 --> 00:55:25,472
You've had a lot of people die there.

829
00:55:25,472 --> 00:55:25,932
Oh, yeah.

830
00:55:25,932 --> 00:55:28,732
They've died there without benefit of the sacraments.

831
00:55:28,732 --> 00:55:30,572
Nobody's praying for those people.

832
00:55:30,572 --> 00:55:32,092
It's a distressed soul.

833
00:55:32,092 --> 00:55:35,423
That's kind of the Catholic understanding of them.

834
00:55:35,423 --> 00:55:39,383
About five years ago, I got a telephone call from a very well-known pastor.

835
00:55:40,003 --> 00:55:47,883
And he had a house that he had been to like three or four times to pray because the kids
were saying they were seeing somebody.

836
00:55:48,283 --> 00:55:51,463
So after three or four times being there, he calls me.

837
00:55:52,323 --> 00:55:54,303
I say, OK, well, did you do this?

838
00:55:54,303 --> 00:55:54,863
You do this?

839
00:55:54,863 --> 00:55:55,423
You do this?

840
00:55:55,423 --> 00:55:56,343
Yes, yes, yes, yes.

841
00:55:56,343 --> 00:55:57,203
OK.

842
00:55:57,563 --> 00:56:00,203
So it's a bit of a drive for me, good two hours.

843
00:56:00,203 --> 00:56:01,483
So I get up there.

844
00:56:01,483 --> 00:56:04,855
I won't go unless everybody who lives in the house is there.

845
00:56:04,995 --> 00:56:06,116
everybody's present?

846
00:56:06,116 --> 00:56:06,506
Okay.

847
00:56:06,506 --> 00:56:06,866
Why is that?

848
00:56:06,866 --> 00:56:09,227
Because I want to hear the story from everybody.

849
00:56:09,227 --> 00:56:11,058
Okay?

850
00:56:11,058 --> 00:56:12,839
What's mom and dad experiencing?

851
00:56:12,839 --> 00:56:14,410
What's the kids experiencing?

852
00:56:14,410 --> 00:56:16,801
Has everybody gone to confession?

853
00:56:16,901 --> 00:56:25,325
Is there not something going on in the house that nobody's going to tell mom and dad, but
they'll tell me because they don't want this stuff going on anymore.

854
00:56:25,405 --> 00:56:26,065
That makes sense.

855
00:56:26,065 --> 00:56:29,707
Because what's the point of going all that way and half the people aren't there?

856
00:56:30,143 --> 00:56:35,663
And so somebody may be involved in stuff he shouldn't be involved in, and now he's tracked
it into the house.

857
00:56:36,283 --> 00:56:37,183
Okay.

858
00:56:37,323 --> 00:56:42,023
So I talked to mom and dad for a little while, and they're kind of, well, we don't really
see it.

859
00:56:42,023 --> 00:56:46,382
Sometimes I kind of think there's something in the hallway, but the kids, they're been
seeing this.

860
00:56:46,382 --> 00:56:47,203
Okay.

861
00:56:47,403 --> 00:56:48,823
So let's have a little talk.

862
00:56:48,823 --> 00:56:49,703
Okay.

863
00:56:50,103 --> 00:56:51,243
So what's going on?

864
00:56:51,243 --> 00:56:55,683
Well, we kind of, we see somebody, hmm, are they mean?

865
00:56:56,343 --> 00:56:57,083
No?

866
00:56:57,083 --> 00:56:58,263
They just kind of go by?

867
00:56:58,263 --> 00:56:59,563
Oh, okay.

868
00:57:00,671 --> 00:57:06,113
So, no, because if it's evil, there's a meanness to it.

869
00:57:06,254 --> 00:57:10,253
Right away, not, there's no trickery involved in like, No, there's just a sense of it.

870
00:57:10,253 --> 00:57:11,716
Oh, a feeling or something?

871
00:57:11,716 --> 00:57:12,773
The sense of it.

872
00:57:12,773 --> 00:57:15,257
It's kind of like people are being hurt.

873
00:57:15,257 --> 00:57:17,268
People are uncomfortable there.

874
00:57:17,268 --> 00:57:23,461
People are, ah if it's a soul asking for prayer, they're just trying to get your
attention.

875
00:57:23,461 --> 00:57:24,181
Okay.

876
00:57:24,181 --> 00:57:27,442
That was always a fear of mine because like my mom has seen stuff in our house.

877
00:57:27,442 --> 00:57:27,752
Yeah.

878
00:57:27,752 --> 00:57:28,943
Priest comes and blesses it.

879
00:57:28,943 --> 00:57:29,663
It stops.

880
00:57:29,663 --> 00:57:34,096
um But to see something and to know, like, this is good, this is bad.

881
00:57:34,096 --> 00:57:35,487
Will I know that?

882
00:57:35,487 --> 00:57:43,811
Your bat will tell you because demons don't show up without, shall we say, you not having
a sense, this is not good.

883
00:57:43,912 --> 00:57:46,693
And I would just say to people, what's going on?

884
00:57:46,693 --> 00:57:51,516
Because if it's evil, there's a hard edge to it.

885
00:57:51,956 --> 00:57:56,839
There's something painful, hurtful, distressing.

886
00:57:57,177 --> 00:58:00,928
If it's just getting your attention, it wants you to pray for them.

887
00:58:00,969 --> 00:58:03,670
So I got these little kids aside and we were talking.

888
00:58:03,670 --> 00:58:07,049
So, okay, so these, does this thing scare you?

889
00:58:07,049 --> 00:58:07,821
Does it hurt you?

890
00:58:07,821 --> 00:58:08,692
No.

891
00:58:08,692 --> 00:58:10,032
Is it familiar to you?

892
00:58:10,032 --> 00:58:13,694
It's like somebody who lived here before, know, a neighbor or something.

893
00:58:13,694 --> 00:58:15,575
Cause this just started happening.

894
00:58:15,575 --> 00:58:18,055
It's been going on for a couple of months now.

895
00:58:18,076 --> 00:58:23,378
Well, I want you to tell them if you see them next time that you just promised to pray for
them.

896
00:58:23,378 --> 00:58:25,938
And if you promise to pray for them, will they let you be?

897
00:58:26,825 --> 00:58:29,257
Well, the pastor never called me back again.

898
00:58:29,878 --> 00:58:37,704
And then I saw him like six months later, he goes, you know, I went to that house and I
blessed that house like three or four times.

899
00:58:37,704 --> 00:58:40,407
And you go there once and they're like, fine.

900
00:58:40,407 --> 00:58:43,829
And I go, I don't think it was haunted.

901
00:58:43,870 --> 00:58:46,262
I think there was a soul for some reason.

902
00:58:46,262 --> 00:58:50,435
And sometimes children are more perceptive to that.

903
00:58:50,671 --> 00:58:52,452
that needed someone to pray for them.

904
00:58:52,452 --> 00:58:58,276
So when people say kids see things, have friends, this and that, some of I don't think
that's anything wrong.

905
00:58:58,276 --> 00:59:01,557
As long as it's not destructive, it's not scary.

906
00:59:01,557 --> 00:59:03,859
It's just, oh, well, tell me about your friend.

907
00:59:03,859 --> 00:59:05,819
Remind you of somebody you've seen.

908
00:59:05,860 --> 00:59:15,905
I think uh what innocence sees one day will be very probably surprised in heaven when we
know all this.

909
00:59:16,686 --> 00:59:19,067
Yeah, what was actually going on there?

910
00:59:19,239 --> 00:59:22,660
You know that they have a vivid imagination, so that's fine.

911
00:59:22,660 --> 00:59:24,701
We don't want them to be afraid of things.

912
00:59:24,701 --> 00:59:25,239
Yeah, exactly.

913
00:59:25,239 --> 00:59:28,523
And say, yeah, if it doesn't make you feel good, well, come tell me.

914
00:59:29,823 --> 00:59:32,564
Somebody called me, wanted me to go bless the house.

915
00:59:32,985 --> 00:59:34,505
You get those calls.

916
00:59:34,706 --> 00:59:37,197
there weren't somebody I knew from the church.

917
00:59:37,197 --> 00:59:40,098
And so I went and blessed the house, and blah, blah, blah.

918
00:59:40,098 --> 00:59:42,749
Then they started coming to church like crazy.

919
00:59:42,749 --> 00:59:47,491
Basically, uh somebody was abusing the child in that room.

920
00:59:48,521 --> 00:59:54,724
I think that attracts evil to that room where sin and egregious sin takes place.

921
00:59:54,724 --> 00:59:59,736
It's almost like a welcome mat for demons to hang out there.

922
00:59:59,736 --> 01:00:05,098
Hauntings are either a soul in distress or something evil going on there.

923
01:00:05,578 --> 01:00:12,161
And they tell exorcists, need to really discern what's the message here.

924
01:00:12,161 --> 01:00:16,303
Now, if you had to put a number on it through your experience and others,

925
01:00:16,541 --> 01:00:22,205
Does one more outweigh the other in terms of demonic versus just souls looking for closure
on things?

926
01:00:22,205 --> 01:00:23,996
It depends what happened in that place.

927
01:00:23,996 --> 01:00:34,183
If you had sinful occult stuff happen in that house, you bet it's going to be some kind of
evilness to that.

928
01:00:34,203 --> 01:00:35,044
Can you have both?

929
01:00:35,044 --> 01:00:38,331
uh It would be rare.

930
01:00:38,331 --> 01:00:41,528
I don't think I've really heard of one like that.

931
01:00:41,649 --> 01:00:42,639
It's either one or the other.

932
01:00:42,639 --> 01:00:45,375
I've had people who come and tell me that, uh

933
01:00:45,375 --> 01:00:48,315
In this room, they really feel attacked.

934
01:00:48,615 --> 01:00:51,495
When they're sleeping, they feel sexually attacked.

935
01:00:51,495 --> 01:00:52,815
go, yeah, that happens.

936
01:00:52,815 --> 01:00:56,435
There are sexual demons who attack people in their sleep.

937
01:00:56,435 --> 01:00:59,215
We actually have a friend who had an experience like that.

938
01:00:59,215 --> 01:01:00,355
He's a good friend, actually.

939
01:01:00,355 --> 01:01:00,695
Yeah.

940
01:01:00,695 --> 01:01:01,375
And he was...

941
01:01:01,375 --> 01:01:03,555
And I've prayed with people like that.

942
01:01:03,555 --> 01:01:04,795
I blessed their room.

943
01:01:04,795 --> 01:01:05,955
And I said, OK.

944
01:01:05,955 --> 01:01:13,435
So somehow you've attracted to yourself the spirit, their incubus spirits and succubus
spirits.

945
01:01:13,969 --> 01:01:17,981
once a female spirit, once a male spirit, that attack people.

946
01:01:17,981 --> 01:01:22,443
And I've had people tell me that they felt violated in their bed.

947
01:01:23,424 --> 01:01:24,125
And so.

948
01:01:24,125 --> 01:01:25,726
That's uncomfortable to know.

949
01:01:25,726 --> 01:01:26,136
I know.

950
01:01:26,136 --> 01:01:31,959
But usually, that usually means they've been involved in something of grave sin.

951
01:01:31,959 --> 01:01:35,751
Because that invites the demon to attach himself.

952
01:01:35,751 --> 01:01:37,292
It's like pornography.

953
01:01:37,292 --> 01:01:42,207
A person views that, gets involved in that, then.

954
01:01:42,207 --> 01:01:45,807
all of a sudden they can't quite turn it off.

955
01:01:46,367 --> 01:01:48,527
And then it's really fascinating.

956
01:01:48,567 --> 01:01:52,987
Then they go to confession, they find it much easier to say, it's not as compelling.

957
01:01:52,987 --> 01:02:01,327
I definitely believe with pornography, with some drugs, with some music that there are
demons associated with that.

958
01:02:01,327 --> 01:02:08,607
When I went to the International Exorcist Conference in Rome one time, they had had a few
cases of people who had been...

959
01:02:08,735 --> 01:02:22,683
part of heavy metal and part of the drug cartel who admitted that they would bring in
Satanists to curse their music and the drugs to make it more addictive.

960
01:02:23,003 --> 01:02:34,188
So not only is a person dealing with a chemical dependency or music, but there's now
actually a demon associated.

961
01:02:34,188 --> 01:02:37,690
had a guy, Prithen, who all tatted up.

962
01:02:37,690 --> 01:02:38,663
He showed up.

963
01:02:38,663 --> 01:02:43,713
I always laugh when they're all tatted up and they're just little Catholic boys.

964
01:02:43,713 --> 01:02:45,834
How does this be?

965
01:02:45,834 --> 01:02:47,514
Okay, all Catholic and all tatted up.

966
01:02:47,514 --> 01:02:51,676
oh And he, you know, he looked like a big biker, know.

967
01:02:51,977 --> 01:02:53,077
And so we're

968
01:02:53,077 --> 01:02:57,960
And he's coming to Mass regularly and he's coming to confession row regularly.

969
01:02:58,317 --> 01:03:03,275
And finally one day we're talking and he says to me, know, Father, I don't sleep real
well.

970
01:03:03,275 --> 01:03:05,607
I have a lot of problems with my sleep.

971
01:03:05,607 --> 01:03:06,477
It's like really?

972
01:03:06,477 --> 01:03:09,890
Yeah, he wakes me up at three o'clock in the morning all the time.

973
01:03:09,990 --> 01:03:11,557
A demonic hour.

974
01:03:11,557 --> 01:03:13,793
I was going to say, is there any truth to that?

975
01:03:13,793 --> 01:03:16,935
Because Jesus dies at three o'clock during the day.

976
01:03:16,995 --> 01:03:19,737
The demon has claimed an hour of its own.

977
01:03:20,198 --> 01:03:21,759
So he likes to do a lot.

978
01:03:21,759 --> 01:03:23,190
of stuff at that time.

979
01:03:23,190 --> 01:03:26,010
Sometimes I wake up at night and like three in the morning have to go to the bathroom.

980
01:03:26,010 --> 01:03:28,230
I'm like, don't look at the clock.

981
01:03:28,230 --> 01:03:29,670
Let me finish this story.

982
01:03:29,670 --> 01:03:30,830
They won't go on.

983
01:03:30,830 --> 01:03:37,810
And so I said to him, okay, then you can confession lots of times to me and I go, but
let's be honest.

984
01:03:37,890 --> 01:03:42,930
Is there anything you've never really confessed that's on your soul?

985
01:03:42,930 --> 01:03:46,250
Because that's where evil will get his claws into you.

986
01:03:46,250 --> 01:03:48,306
And he takes a deep breath.

987
01:03:48,306 --> 01:03:56,166
And he finally kind of admits to me, ah yeah, well, turns this, you know, I've tried to
kill myself a couple times.

988
01:03:56,166 --> 01:03:58,112
You can see that slash marks.

989
01:03:58,112 --> 01:03:59,453
Well, that's a serious sin.

990
01:03:59,453 --> 01:04:02,585
oh Try and, you know, kill God's creation.

991
01:04:02,585 --> 01:04:05,251
I go, and you'll never confess that all these years.

992
01:04:05,251 --> 01:04:06,157
He goes, yeah.

993
01:04:06,157 --> 01:04:07,758
So you're ready to ask for forgiveness for that?

994
01:04:07,758 --> 01:04:08,238
Yeah.

995
01:04:08,238 --> 01:04:08,748
Okay.

996
01:04:08,748 --> 01:04:10,239
So I through confession.

997
01:04:10,559 --> 01:04:14,581
Comes back a few days later, says, I sleep like a baby now.

998
01:04:15,558 --> 01:04:17,999
Don't be keeping stuff buried in there.

999
01:04:17,999 --> 01:04:28,984
If we live a good moral life, it's very, very rare that those people I see knocking on my
door saying, think I got a serious spiritual problem.

1000
01:04:28,984 --> 01:04:35,746
It's not like we're just going to get attacked by a demon walking down a street if you
have your house somewhat in order.

1001
01:04:35,746 --> 01:04:44,830
My best analogy is when you look at your hand and your skin, it's a tremendous block to
infection and disease.

1002
01:04:46,134 --> 01:04:56,517
The littlest scratch though, the littlest cut, if you don't take care of it, can be
infested and become much worse, really fast.

1003
01:04:56,857 --> 01:04:58,358
we watch that.

1004
01:04:58,358 --> 01:05:00,848
We watch, yeah, it's just a sponge.

1005
01:05:00,848 --> 01:05:02,909
Okay, now it's a sponge, that's a little red.

1006
01:05:02,909 --> 01:05:04,439
Now it's a little pussy.

1007
01:05:04,439 --> 01:05:06,340
Okay, I the peroxide.

1008
01:05:06,340 --> 01:05:08,340
I need to treat this, okay?

1009
01:05:08,340 --> 01:05:14,404
Spiritually, if we're living a life of grace, most of that stuff bounces off of us.

1010
01:05:14,404 --> 01:05:17,607
even people who want to send evil against us.

1011
01:05:17,607 --> 01:05:24,442
If we're living a good life of grace, for the most part, that is not going to cling to us
now.

1012
01:05:24,563 --> 01:05:30,608
If we're living in sin, now we've got a serious cut here.

1013
01:05:30,608 --> 01:05:37,793
And they're sending evil and evil's gonna say, I got a hook, I know exactly where to plant
that in that person.

1014
01:05:37,793 --> 01:05:43,600
So if I'm violating commandments, if I'm not living according to God's law,

1015
01:05:43,600 --> 01:05:49,952
And that would go back to saying almost knowing yourself better than you do in terms of
intelligence.

1016
01:05:49,952 --> 01:05:51,882
He's very, very bright.

1017
01:05:51,882 --> 01:05:54,933
And here's the thing that people don't understand.

1018
01:05:55,033 --> 01:06:08,296
It's if I put you in a ring with an opponent who never tires, who never ages, who does not
have to stop to eat or drink, how long do you last?

1019
01:06:09,397 --> 01:06:11,957
It's hard to wrap your head around that.

1020
01:06:13,906 --> 01:06:21,883
But if you never step into the ring with your angel, with the saints, in a life of grace,
then you're setting yourself up to lose the battle.

1021
01:06:22,104 --> 01:06:25,136
If you have the armor of God on, there's not much you can do to you.

1022
01:06:25,136 --> 01:06:30,810
Yeah, you can tempt you, can yell at you, but just like, hey, you can't get your claw into
me.

1023
01:06:30,810 --> 01:06:32,391
I haven't given you permission.

1024
01:06:32,391 --> 01:06:34,833
Free will is everything with them.

1025
01:06:34,933 --> 01:06:38,726
We have to give them permission for this.

1026
01:06:38,726 --> 01:06:40,937
And when we sin, we're giving them permission.

1027
01:06:40,937 --> 01:06:46,609
So it's through action, not just literally calling it if you're a saint, that's free will,
right?

1028
01:06:46,609 --> 01:06:46,929
Right.

1029
01:06:46,929 --> 01:06:47,980
But it comes in degrees.

1030
01:06:47,980 --> 01:06:49,801
How deeply are we going to go into this?

1031
01:06:49,801 --> 01:06:51,791
Yeah, OK.

1032
01:06:51,791 --> 01:06:53,212
I said I shouldn't have done that.

1033
01:06:53,212 --> 01:06:53,469
Yeah.

1034
01:06:53,469 --> 01:06:55,243
But now it's habitual sin.

1035
01:06:55,543 --> 01:06:59,444
Now it's serious voluntary sin.

1036
01:06:59,765 --> 01:07:01,310
I had a guy in prison one time.

1037
01:07:01,310 --> 01:07:02,886
I go through there and I bless people.

1038
01:07:02,886 --> 01:07:04,796
And holy water is really powerful.

1039
01:07:04,796 --> 01:07:07,228
I was blessing people and the guy couldn't see me.

1040
01:07:07,228 --> 01:07:07,988
OK.

1041
01:07:08,826 --> 01:07:19,303
And he said, all of sudden these little sprinkles come and one hit me and I don't know
what you hit me with, but boy, something happened to me.

1042
01:07:19,303 --> 01:07:23,566
Holy water is incredibly powerful.

1043
01:07:23,566 --> 01:07:28,830
Is there any difference between holy water from like Lord's and then something that a
priest blesses?

1044
01:07:28,830 --> 01:07:32,308
We used to have Lord's holy water in my house and it just like, felt...

1045
01:07:32,308 --> 01:07:33,388
Good.

1046
01:07:33,448 --> 01:07:34,308
I didn't even use it.

1047
01:07:34,308 --> 01:07:36,148
just kept it in think we used it a little bit.

1048
01:07:36,148 --> 01:07:38,428
Yeah, would, or somebody's blushed yourself or something.

1049
01:07:38,428 --> 01:07:41,368
I use water from lords.

1050
01:07:41,488 --> 01:07:41,708
Okay.

1051
01:07:41,708 --> 01:07:43,408
I've got people, I'm bring it back.

1052
01:07:43,408 --> 01:07:44,768
I'll put it on the table.

1053
01:07:44,768 --> 01:07:46,628
And when people get tired, say, oh, you want a drink?

1054
01:07:46,628 --> 01:07:47,268
a drink.

1055
01:07:47,268 --> 01:07:50,728
Cause if they're possessed, it's going to come right back up.

1056
01:07:50,788 --> 01:07:51,608
Oh, really?

1057
01:07:51,608 --> 01:07:51,848
Yeah.

1058
01:07:51,848 --> 01:07:52,908
See, we test people.

1059
01:07:52,908 --> 01:07:54,048
We just don't take their word.

1060
01:07:54,048 --> 01:07:55,288
Oh, I'm possessed.

1061
01:07:55,288 --> 01:07:56,108
Yeah, right.

1062
01:07:56,108 --> 01:07:59,148
Like a doctor taking a self diagnosis.

1063
01:07:59,148 --> 01:07:59,923
Okay.

1064
01:07:59,923 --> 01:08:05,363
So I have regular water, have holy water, I have Lourdes water.

1065
01:08:05,623 --> 01:08:08,723
And they don't know what it is, but I know what it is.

1066
01:08:08,803 --> 01:08:09,723
They come to drink it.

1067
01:08:09,723 --> 01:08:10,743
Oh, you're possessed?

1068
01:08:10,743 --> 01:08:11,223
really bad.

1069
01:08:11,223 --> 01:08:13,983
Oh, Oh, I don't think so.

1070
01:08:13,983 --> 01:08:17,903
You know, you're just guzzling that down like no tomorrow, I can tell you.

1071
01:08:17,903 --> 01:08:21,023
If you be possessed, that's not gonna work.

1072
01:08:21,023 --> 01:08:24,103
All right, so there are things we do.

1073
01:08:24,958 --> 01:08:30,789
to differentiate psychological illness from actually a spiritual illness that they would
never know.

1074
01:08:30,870 --> 01:08:32,230
There's no way they would know.

1075
01:08:32,230 --> 01:08:34,791
A demon in them would absolutely know.

1076
01:08:34,791 --> 01:08:38,962
Is there one that sticks out to you that you did or someone else did where you were just
like, I mean...

1077
01:08:38,962 --> 01:08:39,392
Scared?

1078
01:08:39,392 --> 01:08:40,362
Not scared.

1079
01:08:40,362 --> 01:08:45,294
Yeah, but guess the stage of your career in that sense, it's like you've probably seen a
lot.

1080
01:08:45,514 --> 01:08:47,974
Well, we go through and we bless the room.

1081
01:08:48,075 --> 01:08:53,476
And there's an old custom that Catholics don't use much anymore, but still on the books.

1082
01:08:53,532 --> 01:09:00,374
Most priests don't even know is uh we have an old custom in the church about blessing salt
and using it to cook with.

1083
01:09:00,374 --> 01:09:02,035
It's exercised salt.

1084
01:09:02,035 --> 01:09:06,016
You can use it like holy water to sprinkle on your house in a room.

1085
01:09:06,576 --> 01:09:13,998
Well, we put it around in the chapel before people come to pray and we sprinkle a few
grains on the chair where they go to sit.

1086
01:09:13,998 --> 01:09:20,221
People will come in and stop and actually clean the chair before they sit down.

1087
01:09:20,221 --> 01:09:21,831
And you couldn't see it.

1088
01:09:22,312 --> 01:09:23,512
It's so small.

1089
01:09:23,512 --> 01:09:26,253
they know it's there.

1090
01:09:26,253 --> 01:09:28,293
And it's not going to be comfortable for them.

1091
01:09:28,293 --> 01:09:34,025
Now, how do you get, I'm afraid to varying degrees, and maybe that gets us into the stages
of possession.

1092
01:09:34,025 --> 01:09:39,616
Not everybody comes in voluntary, or does it have to be voluntary?

1093
01:09:39,616 --> 01:09:40,937
It's like a relationship.

1094
01:09:40,937 --> 01:09:48,849
If you think of possession like a relationship, he wants to get you more and more
agreeing.

1095
01:09:49,545 --> 01:09:57,681
to letting him in, the more deeply he's embedded in you, the more deeply you're gonna
react to something holy.

1096
01:09:57,702 --> 01:10:01,705
And here people can have problems for stuff they didn't do.

1097
01:10:01,705 --> 01:10:06,528
What happens first time you take your kid to church in the old days?

1098
01:10:06,769 --> 01:10:09,170
Stay a baptism, right?

1099
01:10:09,811 --> 01:10:18,878
And you as mom and dad, in his name, because he has spiritual authority over him, ask him
to be baptized, to enter into God's family.

1100
01:10:19,455 --> 01:10:25,255
Well, there are people who work the other side of the street, who pledge their children to
the evil one.

1101
01:10:25,375 --> 01:10:26,435
Do they really?

1102
01:10:26,915 --> 01:10:29,815
I mean, do you have any idea how scary that This is serious work.

1103
01:10:29,835 --> 01:10:31,815
Serious and panic people do this.

1104
01:10:31,815 --> 01:10:33,295
Satan doesn't just want them.

1105
01:10:33,295 --> 01:10:36,215
They want a whole family line.

1106
01:10:36,335 --> 01:10:38,795
And so Satan says, well, you want to serve me.

1107
01:10:38,795 --> 01:10:43,335
Well, I want you, but I want you to promise me your kids.

1108
01:10:43,595 --> 01:10:48,535
So in the baptism ritual, if you listen very carefully, there's an exorcism.

1109
01:10:49,075 --> 01:11:01,453
Because when people used to bring children to the church, we never knew where their
parents or grandparents' heart was spiritually, because they could have promised their

1110
01:11:01,453 --> 01:11:05,906
children or their grandchildren in service of the evil one.

1111
01:11:05,906 --> 01:11:14,271
And so you want to clean that all out so that God says, yeah, if anybody has claims on
you, we're going to break that claim right now.

1112
01:11:14,665 --> 01:11:19,436
because you wash every cup before you put something good in it, right?

1113
01:11:19,696 --> 01:11:23,477
You always clean things first and then you fill them.

1114
01:11:23,697 --> 01:11:26,758
And in the ancient world, they worship many different gods.

1115
01:11:27,539 --> 01:11:28,897
And we have to that all out.

1116
01:11:28,897 --> 01:11:30,659
And today it's not that different.

1117
01:11:30,659 --> 01:11:34,760
Worship God of money, sex, power, your name, drugs.

1118
01:11:34,760 --> 01:11:42,422
And so some people don't see them, but those really are gods because we have made them
more important than God himself in their lives.

1119
01:11:42,663 --> 01:11:44,625
I had a case not too long.

1120
01:11:44,625 --> 01:11:46,416
showed up by doorstep.

1121
01:11:46,496 --> 01:11:47,998
Actually, the kid called.

1122
01:11:47,998 --> 01:11:52,342
Early teens trying to make their first communion late in life.

1123
01:11:52,342 --> 01:11:59,135
And he says, well, you know, I go to prayer sessions at different houses and I like fall
down.

1124
01:11:59,135 --> 01:12:00,809
I fall asleep.

1125
01:12:00,869 --> 01:12:04,072
We kind of understand that the Catholic world likes lighting in the Spirit.

1126
01:12:04,072 --> 01:12:11,698
There's where the Holy Spirit can so overwhelm you that you just feel at peace and you
just really just faint.

1127
01:12:12,671 --> 01:12:17,791
The interesting thing with this person was they never felt peaceful though.

1128
01:12:17,791 --> 01:12:21,691
Going back to trusting your gut in terms of seeing a ghost too and things like that.

1129
01:12:21,971 --> 01:12:23,871
their sense of it.

1130
01:12:23,871 --> 01:12:29,231
Sense of being in God's presence is very peaceful, very good.

1131
01:12:29,231 --> 01:12:30,791
You got nothing to be afraid of.

1132
01:12:30,791 --> 01:12:31,511
Right.

1133
01:12:31,511 --> 01:12:35,531
So I said, oh, come on over, bring your mom, let's talk.

1134
01:12:35,531 --> 01:12:36,491
So they come over.

1135
01:12:36,491 --> 01:12:38,551
Mom's trying to tell me, well, he's really Holy kid.

1136
01:12:38,551 --> 01:12:42,327
That's why, you know, he has these mystical like...

1137
01:12:42,799 --> 01:12:45,259
I never had any those when I was a kid.

1138
01:12:45,259 --> 01:12:46,159
Yeah.

1139
01:12:46,359 --> 01:12:47,959
I haven't met too many of those.

1140
01:12:48,159 --> 01:12:56,199
So we talk a little bit and I don't get three lines into the our father and the kid goes
on the couch.

1141
01:12:56,819 --> 01:12:58,459
Not, not good.

1142
01:12:58,479 --> 01:13:02,059
So after a few minutes he wakes up, but now he's like paralyzed from his waist down.

1143
01:13:02,059 --> 01:13:02,939
He can't walk.

1144
01:13:02,939 --> 01:13:05,099
So we had to pick him up, put him in a car.

1145
01:13:05,099 --> 01:13:07,579
Mom takes him to the emergency room, gets him all checked out.

1146
01:13:07,579 --> 01:13:09,099
They can't find you there.

1147
01:13:09,099 --> 01:13:11,507
A few hours later his

1148
01:13:11,507 --> 01:13:12,768
He's able to walk.

1149
01:13:12,888 --> 01:13:15,750
then a week later he calls me wants me to see me again.

1150
01:13:15,970 --> 01:13:18,722
Now this is like ringing all kinds of bells in my head.

1151
01:13:18,722 --> 01:13:19,023
Okay.

1152
01:13:19,023 --> 01:13:19,813
Cause he's a minor.

1153
01:13:19,813 --> 01:13:20,724
Cause mom's there.

1154
01:13:20,724 --> 01:13:27,219
Cause, oh, this guy like church is really, really touching about minors right now.

1155
01:13:27,219 --> 01:13:28,178
Okay.

1156
01:13:28,193 --> 01:13:28,410
I bet.

1157
01:13:28,410 --> 01:13:29,380
Yeah.

1158
01:13:29,961 --> 01:13:30,321
Yeah.

1159
01:13:30,321 --> 01:13:32,643
So we got all our radar out.

1160
01:13:32,643 --> 01:13:33,523
Okay.

1161
01:13:33,523 --> 01:13:37,246
So mom comes and she's talking to me.

1162
01:13:37,246 --> 01:13:38,767
And then she says,

1163
01:13:39,231 --> 01:13:42,122
Yeah, you know, there seems to be a lot of strife in the family.

1164
01:13:42,122 --> 01:13:42,993
It's a big family.

1165
01:13:42,993 --> 01:13:45,834
I want to say there's like six, seven, eight kids.

1166
01:13:46,855 --> 01:13:48,375
And this one's the youngest.

1167
01:13:48,375 --> 01:13:52,257
And you know, whenever my dad comes to visit, it seems to get worse.

1168
01:13:52,837 --> 01:13:59,180
So sometimes I meet with people and it can take weeks, if not months to really figure out
what's going on.

1169
01:13:59,180 --> 01:14:02,922
Again, I'm not into one or two lines in The Our Father.

1170
01:14:03,842 --> 01:14:05,791
We got serious stuff here.

1171
01:14:05,791 --> 01:14:10,331
So a few weeks later, grandpa's there, mom's there, and the kid's there.

1172
01:14:10,331 --> 01:14:14,791
I never quite understood why grandpa came along on this.

1173
01:14:14,791 --> 01:14:19,031
So we're talking about stuff and about the kid and everything.

1174
01:14:19,111 --> 01:14:21,911
And grandpa says, I'm powerful.

1175
01:14:22,771 --> 01:14:24,731
you said I'm powerful?

1176
01:14:24,751 --> 01:14:25,691
Mm-hmm.

1177
01:14:25,691 --> 01:14:26,631
That's weird.

1178
01:14:26,631 --> 01:14:33,271
And then all of a sudden, he just comes to me and I go, you're a correndero, Hispanic for
witch doctor.

1179
01:14:33,271 --> 01:14:33,831
Mm-hmm.

1180
01:14:33,831 --> 01:14:34,771
Oh.

1181
01:14:34,929 --> 01:14:37,581
You serve the evil one.

1182
01:14:37,581 --> 01:14:38,401
You said this him?

1183
01:14:38,401 --> 01:14:40,022
You're a correndero.

1184
01:14:40,302 --> 01:14:42,283
He gets really quiet.

1185
01:14:42,283 --> 01:14:45,816
And I go, what you do is doing this to her.

1186
01:14:45,816 --> 01:14:47,667
Does it back up?

1187
01:14:47,667 --> 01:14:48,737
Does it say no?

1188
01:14:48,737 --> 01:14:49,588
Does it?

1189
01:14:49,588 --> 01:14:54,291
And I look at her and I say, he's made some promises to his family line.

1190
01:14:54,291 --> 01:14:56,912
And she's about to make her first communion.

1191
01:14:57,312 --> 01:14:58,593
And he doesn't like it.

1192
01:14:58,593 --> 01:15:01,174
So every time she goes to a prayer thing.

1193
01:15:02,385 --> 01:15:03,975
How did that resolve?

1194
01:15:04,015 --> 01:15:05,056
They didn't come back.

1195
01:15:05,056 --> 01:15:06,196
Oh, they didn't come back?

1196
01:15:06,196 --> 01:15:06,776
Oh, man.

1197
01:15:06,776 --> 01:15:15,995
Because I'm pretty sure the daughter wasn't going to tell her dad, don't come, don't be
doing this stuff that affects our family.

1198
01:15:15,995 --> 01:15:23,281
Because she even admitted when he came to visit, the tension and the other dynamic in the
house went nuts with her older kids.

1199
01:15:23,421 --> 01:15:31,603
So then mom has to decide between her allegiance to her dad and her daughter or her son
and the rest of the family.

1200
01:15:31,933 --> 01:15:42,065
This is where stuff happens spiritually in the family and people don't realize, so Auntie
or Grandfather or Uncle was, yeah, into that stuff.

1201
01:15:42,065 --> 01:15:43,131
oh

1202
01:15:43,131 --> 01:15:50,213
So we also can get that same kind of stuff from people involved in Masonic lodges.

1203
01:15:50,213 --> 01:15:50,883
What is that?

1204
01:15:50,883 --> 01:15:52,264
I don't know what that is either.

1205
01:15:52,264 --> 01:15:52,854
Masons.

1206
01:15:52,854 --> 01:15:57,335
oh People think they're like Kiwanis and Elks and stuff like that.

1207
01:15:57,335 --> 01:16:00,196
Church has forbidden involvement with them.

1208
01:16:00,236 --> 01:16:03,737
There's like 33 levels in Masonic lodges.

1209
01:16:03,737 --> 01:16:10,859
After about the halfway mark, they start making serious pledges against Catholicism.

1210
01:16:10,993 --> 01:16:11,403
really?

1211
01:16:11,403 --> 01:16:14,105
Well, it's good we don't know that.

1212
01:16:14,105 --> 01:16:28,721
I know, but you have people, whose grandfather was really involved in Masonic Lodge, who
promised his offspring to be faithful to the worship of some of the demons in Masonic

1213
01:16:28,721 --> 01:16:38,545
Lodges, so that when the third generation, he doesn't renew his Masonic affiliation,
there's a curse that falls on him.

1214
01:16:38,843 --> 01:16:51,469
that the grandfather placed saying that if my descendants do not renew them and because of
this I'm going to give you some benefits, power, authority, money, blah, blah.

1215
01:16:51,469 --> 01:16:52,359
But that does happen.

1216
01:16:52,359 --> 01:16:58,552
That does happen in families who have Masonic not just on the father's line but on the
mother's line.

1217
01:16:58,552 --> 01:17:04,274
it sounds like it's possibly easier to break than say like a possession or something
that's latched on.

1218
01:17:04,274 --> 01:17:06,235
It is because it's...

1219
01:17:07,217 --> 01:17:10,789
It was done by somebody else on you.

1220
01:17:10,789 --> 01:17:13,591
It wasn't something you did to yourself.

1221
01:17:13,591 --> 01:17:16,912
You initiated yourself.

1222
01:17:16,912 --> 01:17:19,394
You've given more authority to that.

1223
01:17:19,394 --> 01:17:25,937
They've also, shall we say, seminaries are paying more attention than they used to.

1224
01:17:25,937 --> 01:17:36,531
That right around ordinations, diaconate and priesthood ordination, evil likes to mess
with young men who are dedicating their lives to God.

1225
01:17:36,531 --> 01:17:48,350
There was a case in the Midwest somewhere where a guy committed suicide like night or two
before his ordination, where the devil really got into his head and really oppressed him

1226
01:17:48,350 --> 01:17:49,271
really badly.

1227
01:17:49,271 --> 01:17:55,566
And by not mistaken, he jumped off the seminary roof.

1228
01:17:56,067 --> 01:18:01,789
So seminaries have been taking more care of the fact.

1229
01:18:01,789 --> 01:18:09,144
that as people approach a significant spiritual milestone, the devil's going to want to
mess with that.

1230
01:18:09,144 --> 01:18:12,666
you see similarities within the people that are possessed?

1231
01:18:12,666 --> 01:18:18,128
Like, they all exhibit, like, speak a different language or their exhibit crazy strength
or is it...?

1232
01:18:18,128 --> 01:18:21,091
Demons, angels are unique.

1233
01:18:21,091 --> 01:18:26,014
They're a species unto themselves, so no two angels are the same.

1234
01:18:26,014 --> 01:18:27,655
They're very, very different.

1235
01:18:27,871 --> 01:18:33,031
So they react to different prayers, to different saints.

1236
01:18:33,371 --> 01:18:50,271
I have found in the last year or two that to my fascination, know, one of the hallmarks of
a person in serious spiritual distress, possession, is the fear of the sacred, the fear of

1237
01:18:50,271 --> 01:18:51,151
the holy.

1238
01:18:51,151 --> 01:18:56,959
Well, in the last year, I've had a couple of people who've walked up to me and all of a
sudden said,

1239
01:18:56,959 --> 01:19:01,679
I feel really uncomfortable next to you.

1240
01:19:01,679 --> 01:19:03,639
Something in me is really afraid of you.

1241
01:19:03,639 --> 01:19:11,399
go, but you came with another priest because, yeah, he's not afraid of him, but you, you
he's afraid of.

1242
01:19:11,399 --> 01:19:15,819
And that's the thing inside sensing that you do who you are.

1243
01:19:15,819 --> 01:19:23,919
I think, shall we say some people believe this and some people don't.

1244
01:19:23,919 --> 01:19:25,610
Even nuns and priests.

1245
01:19:25,610 --> 01:19:29,731
He knows who's a threat to him and he knows who's not.

1246
01:19:30,031 --> 01:19:33,272
I was on a pilgrimage in Europe in this place.

1247
01:19:33,272 --> 01:19:40,194
A lot of people go to pilgrimages and I was in this English speaking table because I only
went with one other person and I wasn't with a group.

1248
01:19:40,194 --> 01:19:41,175
Okay.

1249
01:19:41,175 --> 01:19:42,535
And there comes in a group.

1250
01:19:42,535 --> 01:19:45,296
should have known they were Italians because they were loud.

1251
01:19:46,576 --> 01:19:52,058
And so I'm sitting there trying to have a very quiet little meal with

1252
01:19:52,166 --> 01:19:56,786
English speaking, a few from US, mainly, you know, UK.

1253
01:19:56,786 --> 01:20:00,106
And I think there was an Aussie in there just to make it.

1254
01:20:00,786 --> 01:20:03,926
We wanted to be in a table where we were all speaking the same language.

1255
01:20:04,226 --> 01:20:06,146
The hotel put us all together.

1256
01:20:07,046 --> 01:20:10,626
So the lady got up from across the room and I was sitting there wearing my habits.

1257
01:20:10,626 --> 01:20:12,146
I could have been a brother.

1258
01:20:12,406 --> 01:20:16,146
She comes over to me and says, I need your help.

1259
01:20:16,346 --> 01:20:17,746
excuse me?

1260
01:20:18,526 --> 01:20:20,586
You came with a priest?

1261
01:20:20,686 --> 01:20:21,422
No, no.

1262
01:20:21,422 --> 01:20:24,864
I need your help and I go, why me?

1263
01:20:25,645 --> 01:20:27,305
It doesn't like you.

1264
01:20:28,646 --> 01:20:41,274
It knows when a person truly understands the authority priest or lay person in the name of
Jesus to command the demon to leave.

1265
01:20:41,274 --> 01:20:43,235
So I'll give you a great example.

1266
01:20:43,235 --> 01:20:49,118
So mom and dads go through terrible twos, terrible teenage years, right?

1267
01:20:49,848 --> 01:20:53,259
And most of you will say, yeah, they're definitely possessed.

1268
01:20:53,559 --> 01:20:55,379
Absolutely possessed.

1269
01:20:55,420 --> 01:21:09,023
And I would say to you, OK, so when they're asleep in their room, go sit next to them and
pray over them and ask God to deliver from them anything not of God in them.

1270
01:21:09,023 --> 01:21:12,564
As a parent, you have spiritual authority over them.

1271
01:21:12,684 --> 01:21:17,925
The demons want to harass children, young people.

1272
01:21:18,326 --> 01:21:19,666
Absolutely.

1273
01:21:20,026 --> 01:21:25,390
that they are not spiritually aware as much as we would like them to be.

1274
01:21:25,390 --> 01:21:26,070
What's going on?

1275
01:21:26,070 --> 01:21:27,468
That's a fear.

1276
01:21:27,468 --> 01:21:28,061
Did you see that?

1277
01:21:28,061 --> 01:21:30,263
What was it, the article you were telling me about?

1278
01:21:30,263 --> 01:21:31,484
was a video.

1279
01:21:31,534 --> 01:21:33,135
there's like a nanny cam video.

1280
01:21:33,135 --> 01:21:36,828
And you never know, especially because we work in post and like what things have been
manipulated.

1281
01:21:36,828 --> 01:21:42,402
But this little kid had a really gnarly scratch on its face.

1282
01:21:42,402 --> 01:21:43,963
the parents put a nanny cam in the crib.

1283
01:21:43,963 --> 01:21:47,706
And then you see this thing, materialize, move, cross.

1284
01:21:47,706 --> 01:21:48,726
And it's like,

1285
01:21:48,816 --> 01:21:50,767
kind of shifting thing, you know?

1286
01:21:51,509 --> 01:21:52,798
They interviewed them on the news.

1287
01:21:52,798 --> 01:21:53,931
I didn't know they went to Xtreme.

1288
01:21:53,931 --> 01:21:55,853
First I thought, it's just a video prank.

1289
01:21:55,853 --> 01:22:00,016
And then they started getting into like interviewing the family in the news and they seem
put together.

1290
01:22:00,016 --> 01:22:03,770
wasn't like, they seem like very concerned, scared.

1291
01:22:03,770 --> 01:22:05,121
And that's always been a fear of mine.

1292
01:22:05,121 --> 01:22:08,264
You know, because I think about this stuff, especially preparing for our interview and
different things.

1293
01:22:08,264 --> 01:22:11,247
like, how would I feel if somebody started messing with them?

1294
01:22:11,247 --> 01:22:11,857
It's me.

1295
01:22:11,857 --> 01:22:14,960
But that's, that's why you have your house blast.

1296
01:22:14,960 --> 01:22:19,550
That's why you don't let people come and stay in the house where you know they're going to
do.

1297
01:22:19,994 --> 01:22:21,975
Not so good stuff in there.

1298
01:22:23,017 --> 01:22:29,452
So you would say like, know, hanging religious objects or blessings in the house, those
type of First of all, have your house blessed.

1299
01:22:29,452 --> 01:22:31,524
You don't know who was there before you.

1300
01:22:31,524 --> 01:22:33,946
You don't know what they did in that house.

1301
01:22:33,946 --> 01:22:44,534
You're walking into an environment that spiritually you don't know if it's been charged,
should we say, in a negative, evil way or not.

1302
01:22:44,550 --> 01:22:46,451
That was the ancient custom.

1303
01:22:46,451 --> 01:22:51,974
If we didn't have quite the pre-shortage, they'd go out almost yearly and bless
everybody's house.

1304
01:22:51,974 --> 01:23:02,140
You could take holy water from the church, go through each room and bless the house,
asking God's Holy Spirit to descend on the house.

1305
01:23:02,140 --> 01:23:04,301
Bless the grounds around the house.

1306
01:23:04,301 --> 01:23:06,202
Bless the garage.

1307
01:23:06,242 --> 01:23:08,543
Holy water is powerful stuff.

1308
01:23:08,543 --> 01:23:13,574
I have seen people scream like you hit them with acid.

1309
01:23:13,574 --> 01:23:16,014
that I had a woman who was seriously possessed.

1310
01:23:16,494 --> 01:23:18,314
And we had her go on retreat.

1311
01:23:18,754 --> 01:23:21,654
And a nun right next to her was in the retreat room right next to her.

1312
01:23:21,654 --> 01:23:24,714
And she went in there and blessed the whole retreat room.

1313
01:23:24,714 --> 01:23:28,094
The next day we found out she slept in the bathroom.

1314
01:23:28,414 --> 01:23:31,194
Said, sister, did you bless the bathroom?

1315
01:23:31,294 --> 01:23:32,905
Yeah, I forgot.

1316
01:23:32,905 --> 01:23:40,067
Holy water's a very, very powerful thing that you have full access to to bless your house.

1317
01:23:40,067 --> 01:23:42,078
I travel with it when I stay in hotel rooms.

1318
01:23:42,078 --> 01:23:44,740
I don't know what people have done in that room before I got there.

1319
01:23:44,740 --> 01:23:53,767
you find, because of what you do and who you are, any extra attention paid to you by him
in terms of what you do and what you experience?

1320
01:23:53,767 --> 01:23:55,828
I think he tries to tempt me more.

1321
01:23:55,828 --> 01:23:57,849
Most exorcists will say that.

1322
01:23:57,890 --> 01:24:08,617
That after we started being involved in this, or shall we say, the rate of temptation
coming against us, it steps up the battle.

1323
01:24:09,189 --> 01:24:16,969
And people who are warned is exorcist to pay attention to that because he wants to take
people off the chessboard.

1324
01:24:17,469 --> 01:24:20,789
So he'll tempt you in a way of public scandal.

1325
01:24:20,789 --> 01:24:23,429
He wants to get competition out of the way.

1326
01:24:23,429 --> 01:24:31,889
So he'll tempt you in all kinds of ways that make your ministry impossible, make it
impossible to continue on every once in while.

1327
01:24:31,889 --> 01:24:34,549
There's an exorcist who is relieved.

1328
01:24:34,709 --> 01:24:38,829
I think people in any kind of public office, that in any way

1329
01:24:38,829 --> 01:24:43,131
Symbolize authority, symbolize goodness.

1330
01:24:43,131 --> 01:24:50,836
ah Are they at a higher standard, a higher likelihood of evil wanting to come against
them?

1331
01:24:50,836 --> 01:24:51,846
Absolutely.

1332
01:24:51,846 --> 01:25:04,263
And I think people who are firemen, policemen, paramedics, and who want to live a good
holy life, they should know, I'm kind of entering the battle at a deeper level.

1333
01:25:04,263 --> 01:25:07,761
And if I'm not careful, he'll want to take me out.

1334
01:25:07,761 --> 01:25:09,162
does anything ever concern you?

1335
01:25:09,162 --> 01:25:13,555
Like, do you ever encounter something where you're like, oh, that's not scary?

1336
01:25:13,555 --> 01:25:16,541
Like most of us would be like, uh, no matter what it would be, we'd be scared.

1337
01:25:16,541 --> 01:25:17,448
We'd be like, I'm out of this.

1338
01:25:17,448 --> 01:25:25,172
You know, it's, it's interesting because, there've been a few times where I've been
concerned.

1339
01:25:25,433 --> 01:25:27,534
I don't know if that's God's grace.

1340
01:25:27,534 --> 01:25:29,055
I don't know if I'm just stupid.

1341
01:25:29,055 --> 01:25:37,681
You know, I'm playing with the tiger by the tail and you don't realize, okay, I've, I've
rarely been in a place.

1342
01:25:37,681 --> 01:25:40,784
where I felt like uncomfortable with this.

1343
01:25:40,784 --> 01:25:46,549
I've been in other exorcisms, then it's just like, mm, but the other people were doing it
I was there to help.

1344
01:25:46,549 --> 01:25:51,182
And I was just like, mm, not feeling really good about this.

1345
01:25:51,182 --> 01:25:54,541
Is it because of what you're seeing or what's being said by?

1346
01:25:54,541 --> 01:26:00,079
There was something, I want to say deep in my soul that I just didn't feel comfortable
with.

1347
01:26:00,080 --> 01:26:05,184
I was one of the few times nervous.

1348
01:26:05,184 --> 01:26:06,485
oh

1349
01:26:06,525 --> 01:26:07,365
That's a good word.

1350
01:26:07,365 --> 01:26:10,025
was, I was going to say like nervous, this is anxious.

1351
01:26:10,025 --> 01:26:10,565
Yeah.

1352
01:26:10,565 --> 01:26:10,965
Yeah.

1353
01:26:10,965 --> 01:26:13,745
I don't know about not working, but just anxious.

1354
01:26:13,745 --> 01:26:16,545
it's not necessarily head spinning, levitating.

1355
01:26:16,545 --> 01:26:18,725
mean, does that exist or is that just a Hollywood thing?

1356
01:26:18,725 --> 01:26:26,085
It's very rare that for the devil to do that basically games up.

1357
01:26:26,145 --> 01:26:27,865
So it's like end game final.

1358
01:26:27,865 --> 01:26:30,465
No, it's like, know who I am for sure now.

1359
01:26:30,465 --> 01:26:31,465
Oh, okay.

1360
01:26:31,465 --> 01:26:33,393
I was going to say, wouldn't it be an interest to hide it?

1361
01:26:33,393 --> 01:26:35,744
be kind of underneath the layer.

1362
01:26:35,744 --> 01:26:43,116
There's nothing for him to gain in doing all that other than trying to scare us.

1363
01:26:43,116 --> 01:26:48,787
oh The longer he can hide, they make me think, well, maybe it is psychological.

1364
01:26:48,787 --> 01:26:49,617
Okay.

1365
01:26:49,617 --> 01:26:57,020
The longer he's kept from having to reveal that there's no way this is human.

1366
01:26:57,020 --> 01:26:58,050
That yeah, you're there.

1367
01:26:58,050 --> 01:27:02,661
You're just really, really deep, but you're there.

1368
01:27:03,127 --> 01:27:05,353
And usually demons travel in packs.

1369
01:27:05,353 --> 01:27:07,187
They're not lone rangers.

1370
01:27:07,349 --> 01:27:08,871
They're like wolves.

1371
01:27:09,144 --> 01:27:11,305
Have you seen somebody physically?

1372
01:27:11,504 --> 01:27:20,253
I have seen people twist and manipulate and have energy for hours.

1373
01:27:21,254 --> 01:27:23,896
That's I think humanly impossible.

1374
01:27:24,877 --> 01:27:29,902
And like I said earlier, I usually work with two psychologists and sometimes they meet
with people.

1375
01:27:29,902 --> 01:27:37,858
And after they leave, I say to them, OK, how much of this behavior can you explain
psychologically?

1376
01:27:38,528 --> 01:27:43,310
and how much of this behavior do you not have an explanation for it?

1377
01:27:43,310 --> 01:27:50,443
And sometimes, yeah, I think this person's got more psychological issues than spiritual
issues.

1378
01:27:50,443 --> 01:27:53,994
Okay, I'm looking for the truth.

1379
01:27:54,435 --> 01:27:57,216
I'm not committed to it being one way or the other.

1380
01:27:57,216 --> 01:28:07,702
People can have both, And one of the questions when I have to finally approach the bishop
and say, Bishop, there's a lot of prayers I can say.

1381
01:28:07,702 --> 01:28:10,655
short of the right of exorcism.

1382
01:28:10,655 --> 01:28:14,437
The right of exorcism is like, okay, we're taking out the sledge.

1383
01:28:15,058 --> 01:28:16,099
Okay?

1384
01:28:16,099 --> 01:28:18,961
And there's a lot of things up until that point.

1385
01:28:19,662 --> 01:28:24,906
To go to the bishop and say, bishop, want to use the Catholic sledgehammer.

1386
01:28:24,906 --> 01:28:28,649
He's going to say, where's your psyche valve?

1387
01:28:29,430 --> 01:28:31,511
Where's your physical eval?

1388
01:28:32,253 --> 01:28:36,836
That says that this person has no medical.

1389
01:28:36,836 --> 01:28:49,936
condition that explains the situation and has no psychological condition that explains the
situation and is psychologically put together in such a way that us praying over them is

1390
01:28:49,936 --> 01:28:53,296
not going to cause any psychological harm to them.

1391
01:28:53,296 --> 01:28:54,796
Can you get those two pieces?

1392
01:28:54,796 --> 01:28:56,116
Sounds pretty thorough.

1393
01:28:56,116 --> 01:28:56,336
Yeah.

1394
01:28:56,336 --> 01:29:01,976
Well, we're a very litigious society in the US, particularly California.

1395
01:29:01,976 --> 01:29:02,796
Right.

1396
01:29:02,976 --> 01:29:05,616
And the bishops don't want to be on the evening news.

1397
01:29:05,616 --> 01:29:06,658
Yeah.

1398
01:29:06,658 --> 01:29:09,189
by a possession going bad.

1399
01:29:09,709 --> 01:29:14,571
So at that point, it's for sure in that sense.

1400
01:29:14,571 --> 01:29:23,374
Right, but there are guys in this country who are full-time exorcists, and they may see
100 cases in a year.

1401
01:29:24,275 --> 01:29:29,637
And of 100 cases, they'll see three real possessions on a good year.

1402
01:29:30,218 --> 01:29:31,949
So it's really very, very rare.

1403
01:29:31,949 --> 01:29:35,348
It's very common on TV.

1404
01:29:35,500 --> 01:29:37,501
Yeah, I was also there.

1405
01:29:37,922 --> 01:29:43,085
most priests may go their whole priesthood and not see a real case.

1406
01:29:43,424 --> 01:29:45,506
Now they'll see a lot of oppression.

1407
01:29:45,767 --> 01:29:49,989
They'll see a lot of other stuff, but full-blown possession.

1408
01:29:50,270 --> 01:29:54,873
Yeah, that's pretty, pretty rare.

1409
01:29:54,880 --> 01:29:57,705
I get priests who call me and say, well, this and this and this is going on fine.

1410
01:29:57,705 --> 01:29:59,336
Doing a good job.

1411
01:29:59,336 --> 01:30:03,358
I would recommend you do this and this and then get back to me.

1412
01:30:03,619 --> 01:30:05,508
And if that doesn't resolve it.

1413
01:30:05,508 --> 01:30:08,528
then maybe I'm willing to see them.

1414
01:30:08,528 --> 01:30:10,428
Because I'm full time at a prison.

1415
01:30:11,048 --> 01:30:11,868
Yeah.

1416
01:30:11,868 --> 01:30:14,148
And this is my side thing.

1417
01:30:14,868 --> 01:30:20,428
Besides being, you know, in a religious community, doesn't leave a lot of time in my
schedule.

1418
01:30:20,428 --> 01:30:25,628
So there's a lot of stuff that the average priest can already do.

1419
01:30:25,748 --> 01:30:27,328
I don't know if we're going to wrap it up before we do.

1420
01:30:27,328 --> 01:30:34,088
have one, because we were talking about the jail, know, prisons, and I worked there for a
little bit and I noticed there was one.

1421
01:30:34,466 --> 01:30:40,209
There was a few weird things going on, you know, probably more than a few.

1422
01:30:40,209 --> 01:30:40,419
Yeah.

1423
01:30:40,419 --> 01:30:40,920
Yeah.

1424
01:30:40,920 --> 01:30:51,626
I was a over the course of six, seven years, but probably half of that place was full of
people with mental health issues on psychotic meds on, you know, bipolar schizophrenia.

1425
01:30:51,626 --> 01:30:54,251
There was this one guy, he wasn't a big guy at all.

1426
01:30:54,251 --> 01:30:55,348
He's probably half my size.

1427
01:30:55,348 --> 01:31:03,532
um He came in and they moving a lot of people away from the original housing unit, which
was all people medicated.

1428
01:31:03,716 --> 01:31:06,096
and they were sending them to us, which is just general population.

1429
01:31:06,096 --> 01:31:09,256
So you had 100 people on this building, each side.

1430
01:31:09,256 --> 01:31:13,636
He was carrying around his shoe, talking to it like it was a phone for half the time.

1431
01:31:13,636 --> 01:31:14,536
He just got there.

1432
01:31:14,536 --> 01:31:17,616
So it was going to cause problems because that's, know.

1433
01:31:18,176 --> 01:31:20,616
Yeah, people don't go for that too much.

1434
01:31:20,876 --> 01:31:23,976
So I'm like, we got to stick him in a room, lock him in.

1435
01:31:23,976 --> 01:31:26,316
We'll just watch him and then we'll figure out what to do from there.

1436
01:31:26,316 --> 01:31:29,276
Because he was like talking to like no one.

1437
01:31:29,388 --> 01:31:35,540
Yeah, people were noticing that and they're like, you got to get him out of here because
he's saying some really inappropriate stuff to us and making us really uncomfortable.

1438
01:31:35,540 --> 01:31:36,152
Yeah.

1439
01:31:36,152 --> 01:31:37,163
So I put him in this room.

1440
01:31:37,163 --> 01:31:38,934
out everybody else.

1441
01:31:39,094 --> 01:31:44,277
Long story short, ended up cutting himself with the part of the glass.

1442
01:31:44,638 --> 01:31:53,113
He broke the sink, jumped on top of the sink and he was smearing in his blood, satanic
stuff all over the walls, screaming at us through the door.

1443
01:31:53,113 --> 01:31:55,004
And by this point, I was like,

1444
01:31:55,716 --> 01:31:56,577
I don't know what's going on.

1445
01:31:56,577 --> 01:31:58,008
I just related to whatever else.

1446
01:31:58,008 --> 01:31:59,479
He's not taking his medicine, whatever.

1447
01:31:59,479 --> 01:32:08,575
But when we opened the door is when we found the symbols and um I think he even set it to
or something and we ended up shipping them off somewhere else.

1448
01:32:08,575 --> 01:32:11,387
But that was one of the times where I was like, I don't know.

1449
01:32:11,387 --> 01:32:13,048
Is that something that's...

1450
01:32:13,288 --> 01:32:14,629
Why is that tied together?

1451
01:32:14,629 --> 01:32:15,300
Seems like.

1452
01:32:15,300 --> 01:32:15,663
Yeah.

1453
01:32:15,663 --> 01:32:21,714
mean, I'm like, obviously he probably has some sort of mental health issues going on
somewhere in there because...

1454
01:32:21,814 --> 01:32:24,586
That is very sacred and satanic ritual.

1455
01:32:24,892 --> 01:32:26,173
They use blood.

1456
01:32:26,173 --> 01:32:28,295
They use human blood.

1457
01:32:28,876 --> 01:32:31,017
It's a mockery of a mass.

1458
01:32:31,758 --> 01:32:33,740
We drink Jesus' blood.

1459
01:32:33,740 --> 01:32:35,741
They drink human blood.

1460
01:32:36,122 --> 01:32:37,823
But that's kind of off the thing.

1461
01:32:37,823 --> 01:32:40,245
But yeah, that there's something there.

1462
01:32:40,245 --> 01:32:41,189
Wouldn't be surprised.

1463
01:32:41,189 --> 01:32:44,148
There's like a circle and then some crosses through it.

1464
01:32:44,288 --> 01:32:45,850
It's usually a pentagram.

1465
01:32:45,850 --> 01:32:47,931
I'd want to bless that place after that.

1466
01:32:47,931 --> 01:32:49,022
Yeah, I didn't go in the room.

1467
01:32:49,022 --> 01:32:49,562
like, mmm.

1468
01:32:49,562 --> 01:32:50,854
I know.

1469
01:32:50,854 --> 01:32:54,196
You know, I'll finish this one story, okay?

1470
01:32:54,692 --> 01:33:01,212
So I was in a neighborhood where I grew up and I went to see a person who was a high
school teacher.

1471
01:33:01,212 --> 01:33:06,152
And she had been teaching for a few years, know, she's like in her 40s.

1472
01:33:06,152 --> 01:33:08,432
And I was sitting there talking to her.

1473
01:33:08,432 --> 01:33:10,692
She'd known me for a long time.

1474
01:33:11,152 --> 01:33:13,052
And so we're talking about her different kids and everything.

1475
01:33:13,052 --> 01:33:19,892
And she just turns to me and says, you know, if I'm going to get killed by a kid, it's
going to be a kid who sits right there.

1476
01:33:19,892 --> 01:33:20,952
I said, really?

1477
01:33:21,452 --> 01:33:23,076
He goes, yeah, he wears.

1478
01:33:23,076 --> 01:33:24,796
dark stuff all the time.

1479
01:33:24,796 --> 01:33:29,256
He's really kind of on the dark side of stuff.

1480
01:33:29,256 --> 01:33:32,676
There's something just not right there.

1481
01:33:32,676 --> 01:33:37,176
Said, okay, when are you going to be in this room again when I can come be here with you?

1482
01:33:37,176 --> 01:33:44,016
So we figured out like two weeks later and I came back and I blessed the room really well.

1483
01:33:44,016 --> 01:33:46,796
Holy water, said a bunch of prayers there.

1484
01:33:46,796 --> 01:33:49,556
Bunch of blessed salt.

1485
01:33:49,636 --> 01:33:52,996
So a few weeks later we were talking, said, so how's it going?

1486
01:33:52,996 --> 01:33:54,496
He goes, you know that kid?

1487
01:33:54,556 --> 01:33:59,596
You know, right after you blessed the room, he decided he didn't want to come to school
anymore, he wants to be homeschooled now.

1488
01:33:59,596 --> 01:34:00,436
Wow.

1489
01:34:00,496 --> 01:34:07,116
I tell people often who have partners at work that they know they don't like them.

1490
01:34:07,276 --> 01:34:17,096
Yeah, just go to work early when they're not there, stay late and just sprinkle holy
water, sprinkle blessed salt all around there asking God to be very present to yourself.

1491
01:34:17,096 --> 01:34:19,736
If there's any evil here.

1492
01:34:19,736 --> 01:34:21,537
They didn't be sent from this room.

1493
01:34:21,537 --> 01:34:22,548
That's a idea, actually.

1494
01:34:22,548 --> 01:34:23,918
You got nothing.

1495
01:34:24,199 --> 01:34:27,500
You jump in cars all the time.

1496
01:34:27,500 --> 01:34:30,012
Other people have been driving it, using it.

1497
01:34:30,012 --> 01:34:31,783
You have a bunch of little bottles.

1498
01:34:31,783 --> 01:34:35,165
And they don't even have to say holy water on it, so nobody else would know.

1499
01:34:35,165 --> 01:34:43,249
OK, just bottles of holy water that you just have guys that, yeah, some of the guys in the
bunk next to me really, yeah, bring your little pill bottle.

1500
01:34:43,249 --> 01:34:44,420
We'll fill it full of water.

1501
01:34:44,420 --> 01:34:46,081
You bless your bed.

1502
01:34:46,081 --> 01:34:48,312
And when he's gone, you bless his bed.

1503
01:34:48,356 --> 01:34:51,416
That'd be really creepy if the guy didn't want to go back to his bed.

1504
01:34:51,416 --> 01:34:57,216
I'd be like, In the back of our patrol cars too, you're throwing people in there, throwing
them all the time.

1505
01:34:57,216 --> 01:34:58,596
I know, all kinds of stuff.

1506
01:34:58,596 --> 01:34:59,516
Why not?

1507
01:34:59,516 --> 01:35:00,736
Why not?

1508
01:35:00,736 --> 01:35:04,876
They do not like things that are blessed like that.

1509
01:35:04,876 --> 01:35:08,276
That's very painful for them to be there.

1510
01:35:08,436 --> 01:35:11,476
We underestimate the power of God.

1511
01:35:11,476 --> 01:35:16,176
One of the main mistakes we make is somehow we put them like this.

1512
01:35:16,644 --> 01:35:19,164
God created them.

1513
01:35:19,464 --> 01:35:22,744
They are not His equal in any way.

1514
01:35:23,224 --> 01:35:24,864
In any way.

1515
01:35:25,804 --> 01:35:29,024
But TV always wants to do it like this.

1516
01:35:29,624 --> 01:35:36,504
Part of the problem with TV, I honestly hate to say this, but I think TV is in service of
the evil one.

1517
01:35:36,504 --> 01:35:37,604
I really do.

1518
01:35:37,604 --> 01:35:45,724
Because it never portrays God correctly, historically, anywhere accurately, as far as the
Bible is.

1519
01:35:45,854 --> 01:35:47,584
or the Christians have understood.

1520
01:35:47,584 --> 01:35:52,575
And they're always trying to glorify evil like God is.

1521
01:35:52,575 --> 01:35:57,217
And yes, sometimes you're afraid, sometimes you're alone, but you're not without God.

1522
01:35:57,237 --> 01:35:57,647
Right.

1523
01:35:57,647 --> 01:35:59,678
You're not without your guardian angel.

1524
01:35:59,758 --> 01:36:10,863
And sometimes when I just ask people directly, you know, I guys who come in and have a lot
of problems with, pornography on the internet and promiscuous apps and the whole thing,

1525
01:36:10,863 --> 01:36:14,644
go, do you have a sexual demon attached to you?

1526
01:36:14,644 --> 01:36:19,806
And they get really quiet and say, you know, I've really wondered about that for a long,
long time.

1527
01:36:19,806 --> 01:36:21,827
And it's sad because...

1528
01:36:22,811 --> 01:36:24,733
Why would that be surprise us?

1529
01:36:24,733 --> 01:36:27,065
You don't think guys have demons of greed?

1530
01:36:27,065 --> 01:36:28,636
Mm-hmm.

1531
01:36:28,636 --> 01:36:44,369
yeah demons of pride and ambition that guys who have serious struggles in the whole sexual
realm Would have a demon in there, especially people who have had a sexual abuse issue in

1532
01:36:44,369 --> 01:36:49,494
their life That that wound seriously affects them.

1533
01:36:49,494 --> 01:36:51,697
Yeah many many years

1534
01:36:51,697 --> 01:36:52,908
Okay.

1535
01:36:53,228 --> 01:36:53,699
absolutely.

1536
01:36:53,699 --> 01:36:57,792
Especially when it's like a young child or something.

1537
01:36:57,832 --> 01:37:06,027
And that throws that whole sexual understanding and that whole sexual dynamism in them.

1538
01:37:06,027 --> 01:37:14,707
It just gears it up, way, ratchets it up and young boys and all this stuff in society on
the internet.

1539
01:37:14,707 --> 01:37:17,669
Way, way, way too hard for them to deal with.

1540
01:37:17,719 --> 01:37:20,051
I was reading some stuff on the Boy Scouts.

1541
01:37:20,459 --> 01:37:22,959
That thing's going on now with all the like...

1542
01:37:22,959 --> 01:37:23,819
Yeah, history of all that.

1543
01:37:23,819 --> 01:37:25,379
Oh my God, it's horrible.

1544
01:37:25,579 --> 01:37:26,439
It's awful.

1545
01:37:26,439 --> 01:37:26,999
Yeah.

1546
01:37:26,999 --> 01:37:34,899
And for people who may be listening to this who aren't necessarily religious or they fall
in and out of being Catholic or whatever religion they are and they do find themselves in

1547
01:37:34,899 --> 01:37:43,239
something that's supernatural, that's unwanted, does that advice still kind of adhere to
them in terms of seeking out help or...

1548
01:37:43,239 --> 01:37:47,239
You know, God's gonna send you somewhere amazing.

1549
01:37:47,411 --> 01:37:50,734
He wants you to be saved and close him so badly.

1550
01:37:50,734 --> 01:37:53,737
You start asking him, you start praying, God, who?

1551
01:37:53,737 --> 01:38:03,105
I think we underestimate a loving father, who I can't imagine a child calling out to him
and saying, I need help, I don't know where to go, don't know where to start.

1552
01:38:03,105 --> 01:38:07,969
And you don't think he's gonna move doors and open avenues that they couldn't see?

1553
01:38:07,969 --> 01:38:10,291
Certainly the God I believe in does.

1554
01:38:10,431 --> 01:38:15,155
Ask the people that you know who are solidly spiritual people.

1555
01:38:15,339 --> 01:38:20,459
So where would you go to talk to someone about spiritual help?

1556
01:38:20,479 --> 01:38:22,579
Right, because a lot of people probably don't talk at all.

1557
01:38:22,579 --> 01:38:24,139
No, keep it hidden.

1558
01:38:24,179 --> 01:38:27,339
Probably are likely Well, they think it's them.

1559
01:38:27,339 --> 01:38:28,519
think they're crazy.

1560
01:38:28,679 --> 01:38:31,119
Right, and they don't think they're going to be believed.

1561
01:38:31,119 --> 01:38:33,299
And that's really sad.

1562
01:38:33,319 --> 01:38:37,299
OK, because that's a great shame thing, and it leaves people.

1563
01:38:37,519 --> 01:38:43,679
You know, worst thing they do is they call their neighbor Catholic priest to parish and
say, you know, can I see someone?

1564
01:38:43,819 --> 01:38:46,879
So it's probably that they need the one help.

1565
01:38:46,879 --> 01:38:47,639
Oh, absolutely.

1566
01:38:47,639 --> 01:38:50,979
I got a call one time from a hospital emergency room.

1567
01:38:51,059 --> 01:38:53,239
It's crazy close, 9 o'clock at night.

1568
01:38:53,239 --> 01:38:55,239
I'm going to drive right down and see you.

1569
01:38:55,239 --> 01:38:56,810
And they go, no, you're not.

1570
01:38:56,810 --> 01:38:58,609
But my wife's in the emergency room.

1571
01:38:58,609 --> 01:39:01,910
go, guy, I'm three hours from you.

1572
01:39:01,910 --> 01:39:04,670
I'm not meeting with you at midnight.

1573
01:39:05,650 --> 01:39:09,630
And first of all, you need to go back to church.

1574
01:39:09,710 --> 01:39:11,170
But I'm not Catholic.

1575
01:39:11,170 --> 01:39:12,090
I said,

1576
01:39:12,118 --> 01:39:13,338
Did I say that?

1577
01:39:13,999 --> 01:39:16,459
You need to return to your house of worship.

1578
01:39:16,459 --> 01:39:19,280
You need to return to your spiritual base.

1579
01:39:19,280 --> 01:39:23,021
If this is truly spiritual, this will help you.

1580
01:39:23,818 --> 01:39:27,092
I didn't tell them if this is truly spiritual, they won't like it.

1581
01:39:27,092 --> 01:39:32,134
And you'll know for certain it reacts in a house of worship in a negative way.

1582
01:39:32,134 --> 01:39:37,125
So it's part of this discernment.

1583
01:39:37,385 --> 01:39:40,806
And I cannot be your exorcist, your pastor.

1584
01:39:41,246 --> 01:39:42,527
and everything else.

1585
01:39:42,867 --> 01:39:48,592
When people come to me, I'm just the person that deals with the supernatural things.

1586
01:39:48,592 --> 01:39:50,513
You still need to be going to church.

1587
01:39:50,513 --> 01:39:52,684
You still need to be good in your prayer life.

1588
01:39:52,684 --> 01:39:55,316
You still need to be attentive to your pastor.

1589
01:39:55,316 --> 01:39:59,940
After we're done with the thing, they're still supposed to be in that community and
worshiping.

1590
01:39:59,940 --> 01:40:04,023
But if they become overly attached to me, they've forgotten their shepherd.

1591
01:40:04,023 --> 01:40:06,124
eh That's not right.

1592
01:40:06,285 --> 01:40:07,585
That's not right.

1593
01:40:08,840 --> 01:40:11,572
And I'm only going to be part of their life for a little while.

1594
01:40:11,572 --> 01:40:14,034
And it doesn't help them to bond to me.

1595
01:40:14,034 --> 01:40:15,995
You need to be bonded to your community.

1596
01:40:15,995 --> 01:40:18,197
You need to have people praying for you there.

1597
01:40:18,197 --> 01:40:21,379
You need to make sure that your spiritual life is staying really strong.

1598
01:40:21,379 --> 01:40:30,165
I have to put really good boundaries on them that way because they want to make me like
their full-time EMT.

1599
01:40:30,165 --> 01:40:32,667
Their life coach, spiritual life coach forever.

1600
01:40:32,667 --> 01:40:34,148
Their lifeguard, yeah.

1601
01:40:34,148 --> 01:40:35,208
Forever.

1602
01:40:35,250 --> 01:40:36,509
And it's like, no.

1603
01:40:36,509 --> 01:40:37,574
eh

1604
01:40:37,574 --> 01:40:41,175
I usually tell them I take one call in between our sessions.

1605
01:40:41,175 --> 01:40:42,575
Sessions are about a month apart.

1606
01:40:42,575 --> 01:40:44,256
I take one call from you.

1607
01:40:44,256 --> 01:40:54,519
So be careful about the call you make because I've got 40 hours a week in the prison and
I've got other stuff and I can't be holding your hand every week.

1608
01:40:54,519 --> 01:41:02,501
That's why you need your pastor, a community to part with, other people in your family who
pray with you who assist you.

1609
01:41:02,501 --> 01:41:03,521
I'm not.

1610
01:41:04,041 --> 01:41:06,902
I'm not your everything.

1611
01:41:06,966 --> 01:41:08,648
and just be strong in your faith yourself.

1612
01:41:08,648 --> 01:41:09,829
Well, you have to grow.

1613
01:41:09,829 --> 01:41:11,410
You have to grow.

1614
01:41:11,410 --> 01:41:17,746
And if you're leaning on me, then you're not doing the work to grow the faith you need to
grow.

1615
01:41:17,746 --> 01:41:28,246
And he loved to keep the person immature faith-wise in the battle so that they wouldn't
understand their right relationship to God as a child of God and the authority that a

1616
01:41:28,246 --> 01:41:29,606
child of God has.

1617
01:41:29,606 --> 01:41:33,140
I have one quick last question, then we'll let you go.

1618
01:41:33,558 --> 01:41:38,818
Is the truth about knowing the demon's name to finally finish that process off?

1619
01:41:38,818 --> 01:41:45,898
that just kind of a Hollywood thing that's been kind of built up because it's flamboyant
or is that something?

1620
01:41:45,898 --> 01:41:47,858
why is that so?

1621
01:41:47,858 --> 01:41:54,458
When people yell your name in a large group, can you stop from turning?

1622
01:41:55,438 --> 01:41:56,138
Okay.

1623
01:41:56,238 --> 01:41:57,298
I'll do it right now.

1624
01:41:57,458 --> 01:41:57,658
Yeah.

1625
01:41:57,658 --> 01:42:01,140
Demons names are not given them by other demons.

1626
01:42:01,140 --> 01:42:06,031
their perversion of the name given them by God.

1627
01:42:06,371 --> 01:42:08,112
It has authority.

1628
01:42:08,232 --> 01:42:18,195
It's like when your girl gets old enough and dad calls her name, every muscle in her bone
is going to react to dad's voice.

1629
01:42:18,195 --> 01:42:21,756
That name has great power over them.

1630
01:42:22,236 --> 01:42:27,577
In the end of time, the New Testament tells us that God is going to hand you a stone.

1631
01:42:28,097 --> 01:42:30,498
On the stone is your name.

1632
01:42:30,758 --> 01:42:36,119
written by God that explains the truest truth about who you are.

1633
01:42:36,720 --> 01:42:38,680
That's God's name for you.

1634
01:42:38,680 --> 01:42:42,581
Not the name your mom and dad gave you, but God's name.

1635
01:42:42,722 --> 01:42:44,622
The demons have a name.

1636
01:42:45,222 --> 01:42:49,864
With that name comes great authority to call them.

1637
01:42:50,684 --> 01:42:53,405
They will do everything to hide that name.

1638
01:42:53,565 --> 01:42:55,785
That's the last thing they give up.

1639
01:42:55,806 --> 01:42:57,526
So they throw out the...

1640
01:42:57,856 --> 01:42:59,247
The lesser one, the lesser one.

1641
01:42:59,247 --> 01:43:03,571
And the highest ranking one sacrifices all the other ones.

1642
01:43:03,571 --> 01:43:15,782
OK, so when you finally get to one of the main guys, when you hear the name, you go, oh,
so this is who you are because he's been around a while.

1643
01:43:15,922 --> 01:43:23,319
And if you've been doing this for a little while, names sound familiar, and you email
other exorcists that they say they're so and so.

1644
01:43:23,319 --> 01:43:23,549
yeah.

1645
01:43:23,549 --> 01:43:25,070
um

1646
01:43:25,140 --> 01:43:27,371
Yeah, so there is truth to that.

1647
01:43:27,371 --> 01:43:37,995
It's really spiritual warfare, and it's the only time in the Catholic Church that you are
allowed to beat something to a pulp.

1648
01:43:39,456 --> 01:43:44,238
You're going to tell me your name, whether it's today, tomorrow, three weeks from now.

1649
01:43:44,238 --> 01:43:46,119
You will tell me your name.

1650
01:43:46,879 --> 01:43:53,362
they have to answer to that name, because in the rite, in the ceremony, the priest says,

1651
01:43:53,846 --> 01:44:00,806
Basically, in the name of Jesus Christ, I command you to reveal who you are.

1652
01:44:00,806 --> 01:44:02,626
So it's not I.

1653
01:44:03,366 --> 01:44:10,126
But I, as a servant of Him most time, command you, because you're still an angel, a fallen
angel nonetheless.

1654
01:44:10,486 --> 01:44:12,846
And you have to answer your Creator.

1655
01:44:13,106 --> 01:44:17,806
And they will squirm, they will scream, they will...

1656
01:44:17,942 --> 01:44:20,062
try and give you all kinds of false names.

1657
01:44:20,062 --> 01:44:21,885
It's just like feeling an onion.

1658
01:44:21,885 --> 01:44:26,350
And a lot of prayers sometimes, weeks, months, years, go by.

1659
01:44:27,111 --> 01:44:27,992
To the truth.

1660
01:44:27,992 --> 01:44:34,518
then when he finally says it, you can almost just like hear the room, like the air part
just like.

1661
01:44:34,518 --> 01:44:36,139
So that's the final net.

1662
01:44:36,139 --> 01:44:38,140
Then you start saying the prayer.

1663
01:44:39,302 --> 01:44:41,323
And you can just see it.

1664
01:44:41,323 --> 01:44:46,227
It's just like game set and match and it knows it and it hates it.

1665
01:44:46,908 --> 01:44:54,633
In the end, it reveals who it is, how, by what way it entered that person.

1666
01:44:55,054 --> 01:44:59,557
And they'll say, this, at this day, by that.

1667
01:44:59,678 --> 01:45:00,678
Wow.

1668
01:45:01,064 --> 01:45:02,094
It's very specific.

1669
01:45:02,094 --> 01:45:03,455
That's pretty chilling.

1670
01:45:03,455 --> 01:45:07,516
Well, the chilling part, when you said wolves and traveling in packs, I was like, wait,
what?

1671
01:45:08,056 --> 01:45:09,927
And how it's just like a group attacking someone.

1672
01:45:09,927 --> 01:45:12,337
doesn't, don't, they don't.

1673
01:45:12,517 --> 01:45:17,999
Lone, lone demons in a person is rare, very, very rare.

1674
01:45:17,999 --> 01:45:21,560
They tend to be groups.

1675
01:45:21,560 --> 01:45:25,841
They tend to like colonies, travel in groups, in packs.

1676
01:45:26,342 --> 01:45:26,722
Wow.

1677
01:45:26,722 --> 01:45:28,054
oh

1678
01:45:28,054 --> 01:45:30,094
Not that that's how I wanted to end it.

1679
01:45:30,094 --> 01:45:30,994
No.

1680
01:45:31,374 --> 01:45:35,614
Well, I guess to end it would, I mean, you've covered so much and so much depth.

1681
01:45:35,974 --> 01:45:40,174
mean, I think we've touched upon a lot of things, but is there any last words, anyone
listening?

1682
01:45:40,174 --> 01:45:41,694
Don't be afraid.

1683
01:45:41,694 --> 01:45:42,514
Don't be afraid.

1684
01:45:42,514 --> 01:45:48,394
has been in this battle before humankind was created.

1685
01:45:48,954 --> 01:45:49,374
Okay.

1686
01:45:49,374 --> 01:45:55,634
We got in the middle of this battle because evil hates God and we're God's children.

1687
01:45:55,892 --> 01:45:59,203
and they're taking out their anger and their wrath on us.

1688
01:45:59,703 --> 01:46:07,085
Truscott, ask him to guide you to show you how to whom to go for help.

1689
01:46:07,845 --> 01:46:08,926
Pray the scriptures.

1690
01:46:08,926 --> 01:46:12,576
Pray the first chapter of John's gospel.

1691
01:46:12,576 --> 01:46:14,487
They hate the first chapter.

1692
01:46:14,487 --> 01:46:16,847
In the beginning was the word.

1693
01:46:17,248 --> 01:46:20,448
It's all about light overcoming darkness.

1694
01:46:20,609 --> 01:46:23,469
It's all about the battle of them losing it.

1695
01:46:23,469 --> 01:46:25,950
They hate that passage.

1696
01:46:26,806 --> 01:46:30,167
How are we going to grow in faith if we're afraid to talk about it?

1697
01:46:30,688 --> 01:46:31,388
That's true.

1698
01:46:31,388 --> 01:46:43,073
And share real stories and have somebody over for dinner who we think spiritually pretty
well put together, say, hey, let's talk about this and this.

1699
01:46:43,073 --> 01:46:43,634
Yeah.

1700
01:46:43,634 --> 01:46:45,955
Well, can you shed some light on this?

1701
01:46:45,955 --> 01:46:51,848
Well, hopefully some people listening to this have that moment with you and shedding more
light on this subject, which you...

1702
01:46:51,850 --> 01:46:56,492
Sometimes it is hard to find outside of like a movie or TV thing depicting it in a certain
way.

1703
01:46:56,492 --> 01:47:02,354
You know, there's that book that you had mentioned before, The Rite, by Bogliati.

1704
01:47:02,354 --> 01:47:03,870
I believe so.

1705
01:47:03,915 --> 01:47:07,116
It's a great introduction book to spiritual things.

1706
01:47:07,356 --> 01:47:11,278
Amorth put out a bunch of books, Father Amorth.

1707
01:47:11,458 --> 01:47:21,450
A-M-O-R-T-H put out about four or five books, but more deeply in spiritual struggles and
spiritual things that have a lot of

1708
01:47:21,450 --> 01:47:25,631
good info if people want to know more about that.

1709
01:47:25,631 --> 01:47:26,601
Okay.

1710
01:47:26,601 --> 01:47:27,412
And I read the right.

1711
01:47:27,412 --> 01:47:28,872
It's a good book.

1712
01:47:29,092 --> 01:47:29,651
It's a good book.

1713
01:47:29,651 --> 01:47:30,843
It's very well written.

1714
01:47:30,843 --> 01:47:32,593
It's very explanatory.

1715
01:47:32,593 --> 01:47:36,984
It's very good for somebody coming in from like knowing little, nothing about it.

1716
01:47:36,984 --> 01:47:47,217
It's basically a story about a priest who goes to do a sabbatical in Rome and the bishop
says, while you're there, you need to take the course on exorcism.

1717
01:47:47,217 --> 01:47:49,558
Movie not so good, but the book is very good.

1718
01:47:49,558 --> 01:47:49,910
uh

1719
01:47:49,910 --> 01:47:51,810
Start with the book, everybody.

1720
01:47:51,990 --> 01:47:53,470
The book's always better.

1721
01:47:54,270 --> 01:48:00,130
It's hard to put in two hours what a book that takes hours and hours to read.

1722
01:48:00,130 --> 01:48:01,210
And it's an easy read too.

1723
01:48:01,210 --> 01:48:02,850
You want to just keep reading and reading.

1724
01:48:02,850 --> 01:48:03,790
It's an easy read.

1725
01:48:04,030 --> 01:48:05,670
Well, Father, thank you again.

1726
01:48:05,670 --> 01:48:06,750
It was great.

1727
01:48:06,750 --> 01:48:09,090
mean, I think we learned something too, for sure.

1728
01:48:09,090 --> 01:48:09,370
Oh, yeah.

1729
01:48:09,370 --> 01:48:10,030
just want to say that.

1730
01:48:10,030 --> 01:48:12,890
Well, God bless you men and the women listening.

1731
01:48:13,150 --> 01:48:19,348
May Almighty God watch over you and guide you as you mold and shape the children in your
care.

1732
01:48:19,348 --> 01:48:19,890
Thank you Father.

1733
01:48:19,890 --> 01:48:20,443
Thank you.

1734
01:48:20,443 --> 01:48:22,268
Thank you for listening.

1735
01:48:22,321 --> 01:48:25,065
You've been listening to the Dad's Doomsday Guide.

1736
01:48:25,065 --> 01:48:26,828
So enlightening.

1737
01:48:26,828 --> 01:48:27,869
I loved it.

1738
01:48:27,869 --> 01:48:32,375
Get more episodes and videos at dadsdoomsdayguide.com.

1739
01:48:32,375 --> 01:48:33,656
Superb.

1740
01:48:33,688 --> 01:48:35,016
Hell yeah!