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Welcome to this episode of the
Award-Winning Best of Left podcast.

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Today we trace the pipeline from
masculine grievance to fascism.

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We'll hear how ice agents own family
members describe them as low IQ

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bullies chasing signing bonuses.

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Why a former white nationalist explains
that the alternative to unpacking

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discomfort is becoming overtly racist.

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How incel culture evolved from lonely
forums into a MAGA recruitment tool and

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what researchers found about why men
socialize to equate violence with manhood.

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End up joining state
sanctioned death squads.

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sections, section A, fragile masculinity
followed by Section B, pipeline to

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hell, section C, the propaganda machine
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Linked in the show notes
and now onto the show.

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I used to hold completely unexamined
beliefs about my identity,

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race, and place in the world.

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So much so that the discomfort
I experienced when I was

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encouraged just to think about
these things felt like an attack.

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It was new and scary, and it made
me feel responsible for something

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that I played no direct part in.

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It made me feel like I had inherited
the sins of my forefathers.

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None of that was my fault.

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It's just how it was.

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History is the movement of people.

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History is conquest and conflict
and hierarchies, but the more I

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ran from that discomfort, the more
I avoided looking directly at it.

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The larger and more intense it became,
and I think I got to a breaking point.

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I think I got to that place that many of
us get to where that big, overwhelming

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feeling solidifies into something we can
wield, something we can weaponize against

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others from our for of self preservation
or use to chip away at the walls.

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We've built around our beliefs
and I remember feeling so

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isolated, lonely, and threatened.

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I didn't wanna drive anyone
else away because of that, so

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I opted to take down the wall.

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And to be perfectly honest
with you, it sucked.

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It was challenging thankless work, but
I would do it a million times over to

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get back to this place that it got me.

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I learned that it wasn't so much that
I inherited the sins of my forefathers

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as it was that everybody else did.

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That just about every social and
financial benefit secured by my

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ancestors left at best, an empty
space, and at worst outright

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trauma inherited by someone else's.

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I learned that my guilt is about
as useful as tits on a bull.

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It's not about punishment.

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Me feeling bad, doesn't do fuck all.

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It still places me at the center of the
story, losing the rest of the narrative,

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the shared history, the different roles
created by it, what was actually needed.

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Was an acceptance of reality and thus
responsibility, accepting my role.

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My place transformed my discomfort
and defensiveness into anger, not

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at the people who helped me see,
but the ones who intentionally

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kept me in the dark for so long.

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The ones who continued to benefit
from the stories they told me often

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while leaving me with nothing but
isolation from the people around me.

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I was angry at Canadian institutions
for lying to me about residential

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schools and other genocidal
violence against indigenous nations.

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Angry that this beautiful land I call
home would look so different if my

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people had arrived with only quills and
notebooks and none of the guns and bibles.

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I was angry that years of reflection
and growth had been stolen from me

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due to the way that I had been trained
to avoid examining my beliefs, the

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friends I could have made much sooner.

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The peace I could have
found within myself.

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The power I could claim for myself rather
than defend for someone or something else.

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I was angry about how much I'd missed out
on the food, the music, the stories, the

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dancing, the culture, the history, the
vibrant patchwork of humanity woven into

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being over tens of thousands of years
before a small handful of self-important

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dip shits through a white sheet over
everything and said Tabula rasa, so

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that they could rule over everyone else.

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I was angry because it was cathartic.

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I was finally free to feel my own
feelings instead of safeguarding

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the very same power constructs
that were fucking me over as well.

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Because there is a reason that the most
powerful, wealthy, violent people in

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the world are overwhelmingly white.

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There's a reason that the face
of fascism tends to be so pale.

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It's not just a coincidence that
the 10 richest men in the world

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right now are all white guys.

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It is not just coincidence that all
of the tech bros who are destroying

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the planet and the economy stealing
people's jobs and cramming AI

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down our throats are predominantly
a bunch of fucking white guys.

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It's not random chance that the
degradation of workers' rights is

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directly correlated with a rise in
alt-right attitudes, specifically

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pushed by these same rich parasites.

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You know, the ones who enjoy all of
the profits that we generate through

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our labor, the ones who start the
wars that we are expected to die in.

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Those guys.

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There is a reason that unlocking
our anger as white men either

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turns us into insufferable, woke
moralists, or literal fucking Nazis.

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Because we end up seeking identity,
we end up needing to defend whatever

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sense of self we are left with.

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When we start facing the reality of
the world, we can ally ourselves with

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resistance or we can ally ourselves
with the power constructs as they exist.

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Those are your options.

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You can have an identity that is built
in solidarity with the people around

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you, or one wherein you are a perpetual
victim who believes that everyone

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else owes you everything because
God decided that you were better.

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Speaking of, um, white supremacy
is really embarrassing.

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Like, don't get me wrong, it's evil and
that is the primary problem with it.

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You know, all of the genocide, but
also it's an entire belief structure

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built on the idea that you are just
the bestest, goodest people, that

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you're just the most important.

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Like that's so pathetic.

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That is so incredibly sad.

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Just.

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Stealing other people's music, other
people's inventions, other people's

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ideas, putting your own name on it
and acting like you're a genius.

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Like no wonder people like
Elon Musk were drawn into white

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supremacy so effectively, right?

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It's all the same playbook.

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It's incredibly.

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Pathetic.

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But anyway, back to the point.

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It should really tell you a lot
that the alternative to unpacking

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discomfort is being overtly racist.

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When you see these two different
directions, you start to understand

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what is actually meant by the assertion
that all white people are racist

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because you are either down the path
of resisting white supremacy down

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the path of white supremacy or stuck
at the crossroads, acting like this

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is a difficult decision to make.

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Pro tip, it is not.

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It's, it's very not, I don't bring up
my own history here to self-flagellate

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or moralize, though I know there
will already be a bunch of people in

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the comments claiming Otherwise, you
guys go off, believe what you want.

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I'm sure I'd be devastated if
I gave a shit what you think.

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I bring up my story to provide one
example of one process that worked for

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one person and confirm from experience
that the other side of that discomfort

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when you face it, fucking rules.

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It is worth the work.

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I don't need forgiveness or
absolution for the way I used to be.

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I am earning that for myself by
fighting the systems that made

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me that way in the first place.

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And I'm not gonna say it's easy.

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It is not easy.

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It is often uncomfortable.

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It is often difficult.

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There are sacrifices that you
have to make, but it's freeing.

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If you want to know what real liberation
feels like, that is how you get there.

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Getting right down to it.

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It is 2025 and a cabal of white
nationalist phis are running the USA.

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Thanks to white voters, especially
white men, a European colony is

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committing genocide and Palestine
thanks to decades of support

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from predominantly white nations.

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The prime minister of Italy is
two fascist by the standards

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of Mussolini's granddaughter.

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A white nationalist party
is leading in the uk.

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Polls and Nazis are attempting a
comeback in Germany with the support

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of the world's richest men, an
apartheid era, white South African.

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If an unexamined life defaults toward
racism, what does that say about

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the factory settings of our culture?

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None of us exist in a vacuum.

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We are all products of the world we're in.

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Whether that is resistance
against it or adherence to it.

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When we work to preserve the
current status quo, when we respond

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defensively to request that we
examine it, what are we holding onto?

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What are we defending
regardless of your own feelings?

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Our culture created everything
that we are currently seeing.

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Clearly, clearly individual white
people, simply not being personally

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racist is not good enough to prevent
white supremacy from rising to power.

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It's just not, we need to face that.

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We need to actively work together
against this shit white guys.

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We have to get our people.

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Because it should tell you a lot
about the amount of power that

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exists under the banner of whiteness
that the global majority has been

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fighting this fight for decades and
continues to face an uphill battle.

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And the fact that these same shitheads
see your suffering and point to black

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and brown people as the cause should
make you furious beyond the point of

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simply not voting for these folks.

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We need to demand resignations,
continue protesting in the streets,

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and just have these conversations with
each other be so fucking annoying.

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Just do it in the right direction because
these empires of rape, abuse, and excess

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have been built using our complicity, and
that should piss you off because if we are

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not having honest, frank discussions about
what whiteness is, that conversational

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space gets taken up by Nazis.

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Ben has recently realized that some
people he has worked with and who

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have worked for him seem to have no
problem signal boosting or agreeing

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with an openly racist Nazi lover.

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And he gave a big, dramatic
speech, scolding the grifters and

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liars and propagandists in his
party for embracing antisemitism.

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Only that and he is right.

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That's bad, but he has completely
failed to use this moment to ponder.

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If he then has perhaps done to other
groups, what he's now realizing is

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happening to the Jewish community
and because he has failed, it

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basically means that his entire
speech was useless and changed.

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Nothing.

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It's like farting in a jar and
then burying the jar waste of a

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fart because at the same time he's
saying stuff like this, that Nazi

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Nick Fuentes can simply say this.

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If I went live on my show on Monday,
this coming Monday, and I said Islam,

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I said, these Muslims need to go home.

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Them.

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They're barbarians.

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Their third world is they like to
live in open sewage and bomb crap.

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You think any conservative
would disavow me?

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Any of them?

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Any Republican.

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You think if I was known for saying
that, do you think I would have any

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trouble getting into CPAC or the New York
Young Republican Club Gala or the GOP?

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Of course not, because Laura Loomer
has access to the White House

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and she says stuff like that.

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Ben Shapiro has access to Trump,
and he says stuff like that.

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Wow.

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He's correct.

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He's a Nazi.

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He has the voice of a nineties
standup comedian, and he's a Nazi

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twerp and he doesn't actually
care about what he's saying.

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He's a liar.

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He doesn't care about any of this stuff,
but what he's saying there isn't wrong.

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Right.

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The garbage Nazi has dunked on
Ben because Ben Shapiro has a long

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history of being extremely racist
while simultaneously being accepted

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into mainstream conservatism.

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This includes, but isn't limited to
Ben having a rich history of blaming

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black people for all their problems.

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How can you argue that racism is not
a driving factor in income inequality?

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Because it has nothing to do with race
and everything to do with culture.

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And when you have a culture that doesn't
and when and when it, you know what,

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explain to me, you explain to me why
black kids aren't graduating high school.

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Explain that one to me.

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Explain to me why black kids are shooting
each other in rates significantly higher

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than whites are shooting each other.

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Explain to me why 13% of the population
is responsible for 50% of the murder.

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Explain to me why the, why the number
of blacks and black kids in prison,

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not for innocent reasons, not for
walking down the street and getting

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pulled into a prison is so high.

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Explain if it has nothing
to do with culture.

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Explain to me why the single motherhood
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from 20% to 70% in the same course of
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has made such tremendous strides.

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Is America more racist
now than it was in 1960?

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And if it is, please explain
to me how that happened.

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Ben, that can be explained to you.

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We've done it several times on this show.

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You just don't want to listen to those
explanations because you've decided that

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it's scavenger behavior to talk about
or point to larger systemic problems.

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You absolutely racist guy,
like in that Fuentes clip, he's

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basically quoting an actual thing.

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Ben Shapiro has said in a
tweet that he hasn't deleted.

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Ben Shapiro has literally said,
Arabs like to bomb crap and live in

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open sewage and never apologize for
it or retracted it, and certainly

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isn't reflecting on that now.

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He did very humbly included on this
2018 listicle of dumb stuff he's done

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and said a list he promised to keep
updating except he listed it under stuff.

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The left is taking out of context with
the excuse that he was clearly talking

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about Israeli and Arab leadership,
which no, no, you weren't Ben.

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You didn't say Arab leadership.

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And also why would their
leadership live in open sewage?

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It's a lie is my point.

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Imagine if somebody said.

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Jews like to bomb crap.

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Would he accept that the speaker
actually meant Jewish leadership of

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the state of Israel specifically?

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Probably not.

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He's a liar.

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It's a lie.

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Is the point also that listicle was never
updated because of course it wasn't.

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Anyway, here he is last year at CPAC
and Budapest still demonizing Muslims.

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Sure.

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We can look at the radical Islamists
who have invaded Europe, who support

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terrorism, who use western governments
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westerners who speak out against them.

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People who target Jews and Christians
who openly chant for the downfall of

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the civilization that they leach upon.

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Hey Ben, that's um, that's a
little dog doodle Katie drew.

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Hey, Ben.

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That's really racist, man.

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You just said that this large and
diverse group of people are actually

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all radical, not in the Ninja Turtle
way, which also Katie drew and invading

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Europe and leaching upon people.

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Oh, hey Ben.

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Is that not the permission
structure you were talking about?

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He thinks he's being very decent and
clever by claiming he's only talking

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about radical Islamists, not all Muslims,
but it's pretty easy to imagine how he

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would react to anyone talking about the
violence perpetrated by radical Jews.

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Ben here is blaming a shadowy group
of people for being the cause of

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everyone's problems in order to imply
that violence is justified against them.

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You.

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Scavenger you, I know we've talked
about this several times, but in 2014,

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Ben made a video called The Myth of
the Tiny Radical Muslim minority,

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in which he flat out lied about the
statistics around radical Muslims

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in every country, and lied, I should
say, in a very deliberate way that was

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specifically meant to make people afraid.

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Here is just the first country
he names Indonesia is the world's

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most populous Muslim country.

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It's got almost 205 million
Muslims living there.

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According to one 2009 poll, it showed
almost 50% of Indonesians actually

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support strict law, not just in
Indonesia, but in a lot of countries,

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and 70% blamed the United States,
Israel, or somebody else for nine 11.

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So you make that calculation, it's about
143 million people who are radicalized.

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Are you scared yet?

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We're just getting started.

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So as PolitiFact would note Ben's
calculation there is based on the

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70% who blame the United States,
Israel, or someone else for nine 11.

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First of all, who's the someone else?

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Ben, what part of that 70% says what and
what parts of Sharia law do they support?

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He's doing extremely bad math, taking
the results of different polls and

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surveys, misinterpreting them, and
then taking the highest numbers and

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applying them to entire populations.

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That's on top of labeling radical
Muslims as anyone who believes

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in some form of Sharia law.

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Or who blame as the poll actually
said someone other than Al-Qaeda for

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nine 11, if that number is higher.

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It's everything he was
mad about in his speech.

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A liar deliberately using lies to
demonize a huge group of people and say

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that those people are coming to get you.

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Now, I mentioned that was in 2014,
and I want to note that the clip

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we showed is actually from Ben
reposting the video on his page in

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2020, so he's still proud of it.

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Guess that didn't make the article.

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Shucks.

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A few years after that original video
is posted, a Ben Shapiro fan would go

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to a mosque and kill six people in just
the month leading to this shooting.

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That murderer would've checked
Ben's Twitter account 93 times.

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And when asked his motivation for
killing those people in that mosque,

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the shooter would say that he felt
that he was actually saving lives

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because Muslim people are terrorists.

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He's attacked terrorists.

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Okay.

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She knew

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So when I done work party.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So, so you could take you,

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'cause you felt you taking something,
the person taking myself, they do.

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Hey Ben, permission structure much again.

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We've talked about this specific
moment a few times now, but you can

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kind of see why and why Ben doesn't.

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Ben would go on to deny any responsibility
for perhaps helping to inspire this

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shooter who is specifically a fan of
his, about specifically that issue,

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his defense being that the shooter had
seen many tweets from other people too.

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He'd also seen tweets from people like
Brett Baier He'd seen tweets from you.

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He'd seen tweets from a bunch of different
people, but it was he, I guess my account

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was the one that he had viewed the most.

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Now I have 1.4 million Twitter followers.

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So I guess the idea from the left
is that if somebody views enough

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of my tweets, they're inevitably
going to become a terrorist.

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Ben, you're almost getting it.

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Again, the same way you spoke about
Grifters at an event filled with

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Grifters, this racist killer put
you at the top of a list of people

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that included your colleagues.

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Perhaps that means that something is
very rotten with not just you, but

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the people you call colleagues, and
by extension, the stuff you believe

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and say and are in service of.

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Some ice agents are actually
voicing frustration because.

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They're not actually getting paid as well
as they expected for their terrorism.

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But I do wanna circle back to the
different Reddit thread that I brought

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up before we talk about that, because
money is gonna come up again in this

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different thread where user aggressive
honey asks family members of ice.

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What are your thoughts and
feelings about what ICE are doing?

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And here's some responses.

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Had a friend who after he graduated,
joined ice, he never struck me as a

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MAGA or some right-wing extremist,
so I talked to him about it.

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He said the money was the biggest factor.

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He didn't go through any
training that was mandatory.

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And since I'm working in mental
health, dude came over to my home

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just so he can p. This deescalation.

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So I taught him deescalation
and painless soft restraints.

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Last time I heard from him, he
said he was going to try and get a

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different job as he couldn't handle
all the screaming and the shouting.

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Okay, that's good to know.

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It works.

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Right.

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Honestly, I was just shocked
he wasn't trained at all.

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He didn't even know basic
restraining techniques.

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Okay.

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But they go on.

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Yeah.

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So that's, uh, a sign that
bullying works in some cases.

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A, a cousin of mine who is British but
lives in the States, announced the other

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month that he was considering joining ice.

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My grandmother, a woman that lived in
the UK illegally for 60 years before

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getting citizenship and his own mother
let it be known that if he ever returns

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to the UK, he will not be welcomed by the
family because of the shame he has brought

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with his ridiculous right wing views.

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His own brothers have also warned
him not to return to the uk.

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This is a bad.

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Family.

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My closeted racist cousin's husband
joined and dropped the news at Christmas.

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It went over like a lead balloon.

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He's an XPA state trooper who
foolishly quit to open a brewery,

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failed and a restaurant failing.

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He's also a degenerate gambler who
likely has large gambling debts.

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He signed up because of the $50,000
bonus in overtime opportunities.

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Figured he could make
150 to 200 K this year.

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Nevermind.

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He has to relocate to Michigan and is
leaving my cousin to close down the

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restaurant, sell their home, and wrap
up her nursing career at the local.

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Hospital.

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Her parents completely disapprove, and
this is both their second marriages

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doing whatever it takes to make it
work, but going right over the cliff

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in the process with him, it makes me
sad because she's attractive and always

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has had a good career and work ethic.

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Just married two guys who
are incredibly poor husbands.

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I'm always reminded that when my sister
tried to join ice, she was deemed unfit

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during the psych evaluation for being too
empathetic, but passed all the physical

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qualifications that was in the early
two thousands when it was just forming.

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That tells you all you need to
know about how much of a psychopath

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you need to be to be accepted.

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This is especially true when you
realize they lowered the standards

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under Trump because they couldn't
get enough qualified people to join.

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Holy shit.

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I have a cousin who is
trying to get a job with ice.

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He's very low IQ and very loud
politically, so I'm not surprised.

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I have zero desire to
ever interact with him.

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My brother, he went nuts one
time when I posted a definition

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of fascism on Facebook.

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I didn't tag him, didn't
include him in any way.

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He just saw the definition
and took it personally.

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Later when I was expressing concerns
about my wife, who is an immigrant.

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He physically attacked me.

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That's the kind of person
they're recruiting.

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My older brother, who is technically
a white nationalist, is a Mexican

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boy from San Diego who believes
over half the people around him are

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leeches and illegals, and that by
putting them where they belong will

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suddenly make him more successful.

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He was kicked out of police academy
for something I was never told, but

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he swears that it was some black.

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Guy with a vendetta.

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Oh, I'm sure he just recently
joined ice, but he got arrested

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for drug charges last week, LOL.

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Meanwhile, my sister gets detained
by ICE for a couple hours visiting

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her bf, and he victim blames her
saying she dresses gay and weird.

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So she's an obvious suspect.

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Needless to say, ice is where dumb
hateful cuts go to feel important.

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Great point.

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My brother joined us a few years back and
got fully sucked into MAGA propaganda.

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He constantly shares invasion
at the border, memes, and

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talks about saving America.

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He used to be chill, but now he
justifies separating families.

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I've called him out on the fascism,
dehumanizing people as threats.

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No due process.

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He just says, I'm brainwashed by the left.

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One of my cousins, I'll
call him, Jay, joined last.

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Summer.

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He's got some incel vibes, but didn't seem
very conservative, so it was a surprise

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to me when he posted about it on Facebook.

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Most of the family
expressed disappointment.

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He decided to double down on it and
made some pretty insulting comments to

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family members and started posting dumb
Trump memes and tagging us in them.

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They mostly blocked him on social media.

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Jay was not invited to Thanksgiving
or our family Christmas.

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Party.

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When he saw photos of the Christmas party
on Instagram, he started texting us and

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begging to be included Again, nobody
responded except my aunt, not His mother

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responded with screenshots of the terrible
things he said Last week, Jay quit

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because he was worried about getting hurt.

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Now he's texting me asking if he
thinks people will welcome him back.

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Now that he quit, he doesn't seem to
understand that the damage is done.

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One of my other cousins joined the
Navy a few years ago, and the family

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was really supportive and proud, and
I honestly think that Jay expected

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a similar response and now he's in a
really shitty emotional state because

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the family essentially kicked him out.

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I feel bad, but he's also been such
an asshole about the whole thing that

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it's tough to have much sympathy.

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My advice would be to show him as
much sympathy as he showed to the

463
00:25:24,315 --> 00:25:25,725
immigrants that he terrorized.

464
00:25:25,785 --> 00:25:26,265
There's more.

465
00:25:26,445 --> 00:25:27,525
My brother works for ice.

466
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:29,990
I am pissed at him and
generally don't talk to him.

467
00:25:30,140 --> 00:25:33,050
He started going full MAGA
just before joining ICE and

468
00:25:33,050 --> 00:25:34,340
completely drinks the Kool-Aid.

469
00:25:34,340 --> 00:25:37,460
Now, he dropped out of college, so
I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

470
00:25:37,550 --> 00:25:40,130
I mean, that's not an indicator of
being a terrorist, but whatever.

471
00:25:40,310 --> 00:25:43,610
He lives in another state, so I
don't have to associate with him.

472
00:25:43,670 --> 00:25:47,090
He talks to my other family members
about how all immigrants are rapists,

473
00:25:47,095 --> 00:25:50,030
murderers, and drug dealers, and
he thinks he's doing God's work.

474
00:25:50,030 --> 00:25:50,660
He refuses.

475
00:25:50,665 --> 00:25:54,685
To see that Jesus actually taught us
to love our neighbor IE immigrants.

476
00:25:55,135 --> 00:25:59,365
I have a second cousin in CBP that
I spent a lot of time with as a kid.

477
00:25:59,425 --> 00:26:00,715
He was a bully as a kid.

478
00:26:00,805 --> 00:26:01,735
He's still a bully.

479
00:26:01,735 --> 00:26:05,305
35 years later, I have a friend
whose two grandsons joined.

480
00:26:05,425 --> 00:26:07,075
She's disgusted and sad.

481
00:26:07,225 --> 00:26:10,255
She tried to speak with them
about the dangers of ice, but they

482
00:26:10,255 --> 00:26:11,755
were very gung-ho and especially.

483
00:26:11,940 --> 00:26:13,530
Excited about the financial rewards.

484
00:26:13,710 --> 00:26:16,500
They and their parents all quit
speaking to her because they knew

485
00:26:16,500 --> 00:26:17,730
she was against them joining.

486
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,730
So she has no idea where they
are or what they're doing.

487
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,520
She's quite worried, as well as
angry and fears, hearing their

488
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:25,050
names or seeing them on the news.

489
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:26,100
It is dreadful.

490
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:29,100
My sister-in-law just joined
who I do love very much.

491
00:26:29,220 --> 00:26:31,560
It's heartbreaking for me
in a way I can't describe.

492
00:26:31,710 --> 00:26:35,370
She lives in Kansas and is a college grad,
but couldn't find work anywhere and is.

493
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:36,600
Excited for benefits.

494
00:26:36,780 --> 00:26:40,080
I told her that once she works for
ice, she'll never find work ever again.

495
00:26:40,260 --> 00:26:44,130
Once the dust settles, this is basically
the Scarlet A. Yeah, and I feel like that

496
00:26:44,130 --> 00:26:47,460
last point is crucial because if you're
desperate enough to think that joining the

497
00:26:47,460 --> 00:26:51,270
Gestapo is the only way you can support
your family, you're going to eventually

498
00:26:51,270 --> 00:26:52,830
leave your family out to dry one day.

499
00:26:52,830 --> 00:26:56,010
In the event we ever have new
Nuremberg Tribunals, because I was

500
00:26:56,010 --> 00:26:59,699
just following orders, is not going
to be a sufficient legal defense.

501
00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:01,860
The Nazis found that out the hard way.

502
00:27:01,985 --> 00:27:04,865
And I can't speak to all families,
but I'm sure that most normal families

503
00:27:04,865 --> 00:27:08,045
would prefer that you find a normal job,
even if it's in fast food or retail.

504
00:27:08,045 --> 00:27:12,034
Those are perfectly reasonable jobs
that you're not too good to do, right?

505
00:27:12,365 --> 00:27:15,845
Because that's better than the Gestapo
where you're gonna commit crimes

506
00:27:15,845 --> 00:27:17,495
that you may one day be punished for.

507
00:27:17,645 --> 00:27:21,514
Often one of the biggest defenses Tommy
Robinson will make as to why he's not

508
00:27:21,514 --> 00:27:25,355
racist is because he always bangs on about
his Jamaican and Sikh friends, right?

509
00:27:25,355 --> 00:27:27,155
He has multicultural groups of friends.

510
00:27:27,215 --> 00:27:30,155
I've spent the last six, seven years
forming relationships with Sikhs across

511
00:27:30,155 --> 00:27:34,145
the country, and we couldn't ask, and no
one could ask for a better minority group.

512
00:27:34,514 --> 00:27:37,275
More loyal, more patriotic, more
hardworking group of people.

513
00:27:37,304 --> 00:27:40,365
But what's happened here is just
the ingroup markers have changed.

514
00:27:40,395 --> 00:27:44,235
What he considers integrated
immigrants are in his ingroup.

515
00:27:44,295 --> 00:27:47,804
And what has happened is that
ingroup has selected Muslims

516
00:27:47,804 --> 00:27:50,534
and refugees as the outgroup.

517
00:27:50,565 --> 00:27:53,565
And that's the thing about the ideas
of like biological determinism.

518
00:27:53,595 --> 00:27:56,925
The people who say that ethnic
ingroup and outgroup is natural and

519
00:27:56,985 --> 00:27:57,929
therefore we should follow that.

520
00:27:58,219 --> 00:28:02,270
They ignore the fact that the
whole point of society is built to

521
00:28:02,270 --> 00:28:04,909
overcome our biological instincts.

522
00:28:04,969 --> 00:28:09,320
If we lived by raw biology, we
wouldn't look after disabled people.

523
00:28:09,379 --> 00:28:10,879
We wouldn't adopt children.

524
00:28:10,909 --> 00:28:12,830
Nepotism would just be the norm.

525
00:28:12,830 --> 00:28:15,800
Violence for any reason
would be legal law.

526
00:28:15,835 --> 00:28:16,824
Wouldn't exist.

527
00:28:16,855 --> 00:28:19,225
What biology gives us is tendencies.

528
00:28:19,225 --> 00:28:23,335
Society decides on which ones to
reinforce, which ones to attempt to

529
00:28:23,335 --> 00:28:25,705
restrain and which ones to redirect.

530
00:28:25,705 --> 00:28:26,755
That is the key point.

531
00:28:26,815 --> 00:28:29,935
These experiments do not show
that racism is inevitable.

532
00:28:29,965 --> 00:28:34,225
They show us that ingroup outgroup
tendencies exist and they are socially

533
00:28:34,225 --> 00:28:39,025
constructed, and they are incredibly
flexible based on very arbitrary reasons

534
00:28:39,025 --> 00:28:41,424
such as T-shirt, color and football team.

535
00:28:41,455 --> 00:28:41,725
However.

536
00:28:41,995 --> 00:28:43,614
That is also a problem, right?

537
00:28:43,614 --> 00:28:48,715
If the the boundaries are very flexible,
then whoever is the person with the

538
00:28:48,715 --> 00:28:52,764
loudest, the most powerful voice,
who has their hands on the biggest

539
00:28:52,764 --> 00:28:57,745
microphones with the biggest audience,
they get to decide who is the outgroup.

540
00:28:58,045 --> 00:29:03,295
But equally importantly, we're cracking
down on more than $19 billion in fraud

541
00:29:03,565 --> 00:29:07,375
that was stolen by Somalian Bandits.

542
00:29:07,375 --> 00:29:10,885
Can you believe that Somalia, they turned
out to be higher IQ than we thought.

543
00:29:12,609 --> 00:29:13,730
I say kill the nation.

544
00:29:13,949 --> 00:29:15,375
You say deportation.

545
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:16,170
Kill the nation.

546
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:17,250
Deportation.

547
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:18,170
Kill the nation.

548
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:19,170
Deportation.

549
00:29:19,304 --> 00:29:21,165
You've probably heard the parable, right?

550
00:29:21,165 --> 00:29:24,375
With the red ants and the black
ants put 'em in the jar, they get

551
00:29:24,375 --> 00:29:27,074
along, shake the jar, and they
all start killing each other.

552
00:29:27,134 --> 00:29:31,754
This phenomena seems to map onto
lots of academic research, realistic

553
00:29:31,754 --> 00:29:35,924
group conflict theory, integrated
threat theory, uncertainty, identity

554
00:29:35,924 --> 00:29:37,290
theory, and the findings are pretty.

555
00:29:37,639 --> 00:29:38,330
Consistent.

556
00:29:38,330 --> 00:29:43,730
When people feel economically insecure
or socially unstable, they clinging

557
00:29:43,759 --> 00:29:49,670
very hard onto group identity, and they
often become more hostile to the other.

558
00:29:49,699 --> 00:29:53,509
This really helps us to understand why
figures like Tommy Robinson and Nigel

559
00:29:53,509 --> 00:29:54,989
Farage were considered very, very.

560
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:56,820
Fringe in the two thousands.

561
00:29:56,850 --> 00:29:58,740
If anything, they were the outgroup.

562
00:29:58,740 --> 00:29:59,790
Everyone hated them.

563
00:29:59,790 --> 00:30:02,850
And that's because in the two
thousands, you know, life was good.

564
00:30:02,970 --> 00:30:07,020
We were getting regular GTA releases,
David Beckham was scoring screamers.

565
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:07,950
Things were pretty good.

566
00:30:08,130 --> 00:30:11,310
But then, you know, after the
financial crash, years of austerity,

567
00:30:11,310 --> 00:30:15,179
stagnation, a global pandemic,
global conflicts popping up.

568
00:30:15,389 --> 00:30:17,040
Things just feel less stable.

569
00:30:17,070 --> 00:30:19,170
People start feeling increasingly.

570
00:30:19,420 --> 00:30:21,850
Anxious and they start
looking for explanations.

571
00:30:21,850 --> 00:30:26,170
So when you have someone who points out
and says, there are enemy groups and they

572
00:30:26,170 --> 00:30:30,040
are the reason why you are struggling,
suddenly that story starts to stick.

573
00:30:30,070 --> 00:30:33,850
Once the woke and the progressives
are framed as the enemy, people don't

574
00:30:33,850 --> 00:30:38,860
just reject them, they reject the
morality that is associated with them,

575
00:30:38,889 --> 00:30:41,170
and they form a counter identity.

576
00:30:41,500 --> 00:30:45,069
Instead, an identity whose
values aren't solidarity,

577
00:30:45,130 --> 00:30:47,170
dignity, and shared improvement.

578
00:30:47,199 --> 00:30:51,009
But instead you get a reactionary
inversion, resentment, aggression,

579
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:53,020
exclusion, and isolation.

580
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:59,080
And it's there where we see the
beginning of vice signaling w Epstein,

581
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:01,089
look, I'm on my villain arc. Okay?

582
00:31:02,380 --> 00:31:04,540
Sometimes you gotta be the villain.

583
00:31:05,565 --> 00:31:06,614
Epstein's, my boy.

584
00:31:06,614 --> 00:31:08,235
Dude, let's just be honest.

585
00:31:08,235 --> 00:31:10,755
Epstein was cool as fuck There I said it.

586
00:31:11,985 --> 00:31:12,824
What are you gonna do?

587
00:31:12,975 --> 00:31:13,545
Go ahead.

588
00:31:13,545 --> 00:31:14,235
Cancel me.

589
00:31:14,264 --> 00:31:19,424
It's basically just doing shitty things to
look tough to win other people's approval.

590
00:31:19,514 --> 00:31:22,989
It comes along as an adaptive response to
a specific political and media environ.

591
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:27,520
When people repeatedly see big
moral claims, symbolic gestures,

592
00:31:27,580 --> 00:31:32,380
emotional appeals used by powerful
institutions, but they don't see these

593
00:31:32,380 --> 00:31:37,300
big grand claims translating into like
improvements materially in their life.

594
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,480
So they start to lose trust in
that moral language and they

595
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:41,650
start to become skeptical.

596
00:31:41,710 --> 00:31:46,300
And in fact, the use of moral language
becomes a cultural signal for an

597
00:31:46,300 --> 00:31:52,030
opposing group once morality is now
culturally coded as being their thing.

598
00:31:52,260 --> 00:31:53,639
Performatively rejecting.

599
00:31:53,639 --> 00:31:56,730
It becomes a new form of group loyalty.

600
00:31:56,790 --> 00:31:58,620
This is what vice signaling is, right?

601
00:31:58,620 --> 00:32:02,040
It, it's group positioning,
it's showing to other people.

602
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:03,690
Look, I'm not one of them.

603
00:32:03,750 --> 00:32:05,190
I don't speak their language.

604
00:32:05,190 --> 00:32:09,030
I don't play their moral games,
and they do this by signaling edgy

605
00:32:09,030 --> 00:32:11,670
beliefs and using edgy language.

606
00:32:11,699 --> 00:32:15,420
Like one very basic specific example
is the use of the word retard.

607
00:32:15,449 --> 00:32:17,310
People seem very proud
that that one's come back.

608
00:32:17,340 --> 00:32:20,040
They sort of say it sometimes
and they expect you to go for.

609
00:32:20,094 --> 00:32:21,444
Fucking hell bro.

610
00:32:21,505 --> 00:32:22,735
You don't give a fuck.

611
00:32:22,735 --> 00:32:26,005
Matt, do you stand by that
claim of Coton Wall retarded?

612
00:32:26,034 --> 00:32:26,094
Yeah.

613
00:32:26,094 --> 00:32:27,444
I think there's something wrong with him.

614
00:32:27,444 --> 00:32:28,134
Absolutely.

615
00:32:28,134 --> 00:32:28,435
Sure.

616
00:32:28,674 --> 00:32:32,665
And partly the, the kind of ideas
behind vice signaling is to show that

617
00:32:32,665 --> 00:32:36,025
you perceive the virtue signaling
of other people to be inauthentic.

618
00:32:36,025 --> 00:32:37,944
And actually you are very authentic.

619
00:32:37,975 --> 00:32:41,245
I mean, do you think you are the
best person, Nick Fuentes, to lecture

620
00:32:41,245 --> 00:32:43,194
people about performative cruelty?

621
00:32:43,435 --> 00:32:45,475
Why are you accusing me of being cruel?

622
00:32:45,475 --> 00:32:46,375
Is that what that is?

623
00:32:46,404 --> 00:32:46,735
Yeah.

624
00:32:46,795 --> 00:32:47,935
What, how am I cruel?

625
00:32:48,585 --> 00:32:54,014
You cr you cruel about black
people, you cruel about, uh, women.

626
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:56,670
I mean, you're cruel about a lot of
people and you're very performative.

627
00:32:56,820 --> 00:32:57,300
Okay?

628
00:32:57,750 --> 00:32:59,040
I don't think I'm performative.

629
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,290
I, if anything, everyone
else is performative.

630
00:33:01,290 --> 00:33:02,580
I'm authentic.

631
00:33:02,639 --> 00:33:04,980
You know, whatever you wanna
say about me, it's, it's real.

632
00:33:04,980 --> 00:33:05,699
It's from the gut.

633
00:33:05,820 --> 00:33:09,389
This is what we see in the origins
of the term based, it is kind of used

634
00:33:09,389 --> 00:33:12,150
by everyone now, but for a period of
time it was really meant to signal

635
00:33:12,210 --> 00:33:14,190
I'm, I'm like real as they come, bro.

636
00:33:14,250 --> 00:33:15,900
I'm based in truth, right?

637
00:33:15,900 --> 00:33:16,560
Authentic.

638
00:33:16,574 --> 00:33:20,475
And in a system that is perceived to
be saturated with performative virtue,

639
00:33:20,565 --> 00:33:23,835
cruelty can often be read as sincerity.

640
00:33:23,924 --> 00:33:27,435
You're not trying to show anyone that
you are a good person, the opposite.

641
00:33:27,465 --> 00:33:30,705
This is how you get to a point where
you have this guy on a microphone

642
00:33:30,705 --> 00:33:34,304
celebrating the death of Renée
Nicole Good by an ice agent on

643
00:33:34,304 --> 00:33:35,699
camera for the whole world to see.

644
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:37,935
And all you live your
economy, motherfuckers keep

645
00:33:37,935 --> 00:33:38,745
their hands to yourself.

646
00:33:38,745 --> 00:33:39,735
You're gonna get hurt today.

647
00:33:40,710 --> 00:33:46,330
We, we executed one of you yesterday,
we executed one of you yesterday.

648
00:33:46,685 --> 00:33:50,735
This to me, seems like someone who is
very deep into this identity group,

649
00:33:50,795 --> 00:33:53,944
that in their mind, they've got to a
point where they just, they've stopped

650
00:33:53,944 --> 00:33:58,565
seeing humanity and they are purely just
performing to be approved by their group.

651
00:33:58,625 --> 00:34:01,295
Now, whilst this happens on a
social level, you, you see it in

652
00:34:01,295 --> 00:34:03,514
like the, the Rogan Sphere comedy.

653
00:34:03,514 --> 00:34:04,745
The Austin comedy scene, Jesus.

654
00:34:05,550 --> 00:34:05,700
Christ.

655
00:34:06,659 --> 00:34:07,380
Wait a ruin.

656
00:34:08,130 --> 00:34:11,310
Take your New York liberal back with you.

657
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:18,270
Jesus Christ Virtue
signaling on this show.

658
00:34:18,270 --> 00:34:22,260
How dare you, sir. He probably
did kill Tony in like 2014.

659
00:34:24,780 --> 00:34:27,510
What do you call a a black doctor?

660
00:34:27,720 --> 00:34:28,350
Nothing.

661
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:30,210
There are no black doctors.

662
00:34:30,695 --> 00:34:32,280
Ah, the killer.

663
00:34:33,489 --> 00:34:37,255
In Mongolo, you're like, yeah, yeah.

664
00:34:38,634 --> 00:34:44,020
Say the N word you son of
a. That was incredible.

665
00:34:44,529 --> 00:34:45,730
Eventually, right?

666
00:34:45,759 --> 00:34:48,670
It moves from, you know, the
social level and in the same way

667
00:34:48,670 --> 00:34:52,060
that virtue signaling ended up
being commodified by the powerful.

668
00:34:52,089 --> 00:34:57,339
So too vice signaling is landing
in the hands of the powerful,

669
00:34:57,490 --> 00:34:58,540
written by a nice reporter.

670
00:34:58,540 --> 00:34:59,830
Now the poor guy, you gotta see this guy.

671
00:34:59,890 --> 00:35:01,330
Ah, I don't know what I said.

672
00:35:01,335 --> 00:35:01,535
Ah.

673
00:35:02,029 --> 00:35:03,110
I don't remember.

674
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:04,730
And when you're a star,
they let you do it.

675
00:35:05,210 --> 00:35:06,620
You can do anything, whatever you want.

676
00:35:06,620 --> 00:35:07,580
Grab 'em by the pussy.

677
00:35:07,820 --> 00:35:09,650
I would bomb the out of 'em.

678
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:13,610
And they say, why is it we only
take people from whole countries?

679
00:35:13,850 --> 00:35:16,550
I could stand in the middle of
Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody

680
00:35:16,550 --> 00:35:17,720
and I wouldn't lose any voters.

681
00:35:17,810 --> 00:35:18,140
Okay.

682
00:35:18,230 --> 00:35:19,700
Like to punch 'em in the face.

683
00:35:19,700 --> 00:35:21,795
I'll tell you, I would bring.

684
00:35:22,165 --> 00:35:26,214
Waterboarding and I'd bring back a
hell of a lot worse than waterboarding.

685
00:35:26,310 --> 00:35:26,930
Are you stupid?

686
00:35:27,390 --> 00:35:28,705
Are you a stupid person?

687
00:35:29,065 --> 00:35:29,875
Quiet me.

688
00:35:30,295 --> 00:35:33,955
Obviously, a large part of
Trump's appeal was vice signaling.

689
00:35:33,984 --> 00:35:37,194
These original controversies
whilst assumed they would kill

690
00:35:37,194 --> 00:35:38,634
Trump's career, did the opposite.

691
00:35:38,694 --> 00:35:41,154
It bolstered support for
Trump because it made him.

692
00:35:41,825 --> 00:35:45,515
Real for rejecting the
morality of the liberal elite.

693
00:35:45,515 --> 00:35:50,585
But as time goes past and Trump takes
more and more political power, the same

694
00:35:50,585 --> 00:35:55,685
performative nature happens and it results
in official American government social

695
00:35:55,685 --> 00:36:00,455
media accounts, just posting basically
neo-Nazi shit, A SMR deportation videos.

696
00:36:00,515 --> 00:36:03,605
It resulted in Trump cutting us
eight literally money that was.

697
00:36:03,685 --> 00:36:06,295
Helping the most
vulnerable people on Earth.

698
00:36:06,325 --> 00:36:09,565
It resulted in Elon Musk coming in and
cutting things like pediatric care,

699
00:36:09,595 --> 00:36:14,965
cancer research for children, despite Elon
Musk's Doge saving basically no money and

700
00:36:14,965 --> 00:36:17,755
only making normal people's lives worse.

701
00:36:17,785 --> 00:36:21,490
Part of it was just to signal that
they rejected all of the woke things

702
00:36:21,490 --> 00:36:23,695
that progressives cared about.

703
00:36:23,695 --> 00:36:25,645
Renee, Nicole, good died being a lover.

704
00:36:25,975 --> 00:36:27,690
She died because she
wanted to protect you.

705
00:36:28,290 --> 00:36:30,390
You would not piss on
her if she was on fire.

706
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:32,130
Anybody saying that she
didn't try to run 'em over.

707
00:36:32,130 --> 00:36:33,240
You're a lover.

708
00:36:33,330 --> 00:36:33,840
Thank you.

709
00:36:33,900 --> 00:36:36,690
Over here in Britain, the labor
government announced they're gonna

710
00:36:36,690 --> 00:36:39,480
confiscate jewelry off of refugees.

711
00:36:39,509 --> 00:36:42,390
We banned trans women from
using women's toilets.

712
00:36:42,390 --> 00:36:46,799
A while ago, Robert Jenrick walked
into like asylum refugee processing

713
00:36:46,799 --> 00:36:50,759
facilities, and saw that they had
nice hand painted cartoons that the

714
00:36:50,759 --> 00:36:54,509
staff had painted to make the refugee
children feel more comfortable.

715
00:36:54,540 --> 00:36:57,540
He told 'em to get rid of it because he
wanted to make it a hostile environment.

716
00:36:57,900 --> 00:37:01,589
That was such an, a gratuitous act
of cruelty against some of the most

717
00:37:01,589 --> 00:37:02,850
vulnerable people in the world.

718
00:37:03,180 --> 00:37:05,910
And if you think that that is
your route to advancement, I

719
00:37:05,910 --> 00:37:07,020
think it says something about you.

720
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:10,860
All of these actions do
not fix anything, right?

721
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:11,580
We can agree.

722
00:37:11,580 --> 00:37:16,560
Even if people agree with this, somehow
materially, nothing can, your life

723
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:18,360
will improve from any of these actions.

724
00:37:18,509 --> 00:37:21,930
I would like to see all
of Europe try to stop us.

725
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:23,279
It's the opposite.

726
00:37:23,279 --> 00:37:28,500
We let you have your country's, you
know, it's getting a little tiresome

727
00:37:28,500 --> 00:37:33,720
that this whole Greenland situation has
the American internet dweebs posturing

728
00:37:33,720 --> 00:37:38,370
online as if the bloated state of
the US military somehow makes them

729
00:37:38,370 --> 00:37:40,440
personally some kind of a tough guy.

730
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:41,069
It's gonna happen.

731
00:37:41,100 --> 00:37:42,210
You guys understand this, right?

732
00:37:42,690 --> 00:37:43,589
We're gonna get Greenland.

733
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:45,450
The sooner that you just accept this.

734
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:47,790
The more painless it will become.

735
00:37:47,879 --> 00:37:49,020
Oh, we are getting Greenland.

736
00:37:49,020 --> 00:37:49,740
Who's we?

737
00:37:50,100 --> 00:37:51,660
You got a spine in your pocket?

738
00:37:51,660 --> 00:37:55,620
Who are you in the context of this
situation, look, when your politicians

739
00:37:55,620 --> 00:38:00,390
send young Americans to bleed and
die and kill and maim on foreign soil

740
00:38:00,390 --> 00:38:05,190
to secure cheap resources for giant
corporate interests, you don't get a

741
00:38:05,190 --> 00:38:10,109
say when those same corporate interests
start divvying up the spoils of war.

742
00:38:10,350 --> 00:38:11,549
You don't get a share.

743
00:38:11,549 --> 00:38:14,004
See, that's why the oil giant
Halliburton got about four.

744
00:38:14,275 --> 00:38:20,185
$40 billion worth of Iraqi oil outta the
George W. Bush era and all the American

745
00:38:20,185 --> 00:38:25,015
people got was eight years straight of
reduced rights, restricted freedoms,

746
00:38:25,015 --> 00:38:30,174
and collective trauma followed by the
largest financial crash in modern history.

747
00:38:30,205 --> 00:38:33,415
'cause the wealth doesn't actually
ever trickle down, does it?

748
00:38:33,415 --> 00:38:35,575
And now that your government's
acting on behalf of the.

749
00:38:35,714 --> 00:38:39,705
Tech billionaires that have their
sites set on Greenland, you're not

750
00:38:39,705 --> 00:38:41,265
getting a share of that either.

751
00:38:41,295 --> 00:38:44,234
You do, however, get to keep
paying the bill though, don't you?

752
00:38:44,295 --> 00:38:48,585
A bill that seems to be growing
exponentially over time, almost as

753
00:38:48,585 --> 00:38:51,645
if all this freedom fighting you
think you're getting up to actually

754
00:38:51,645 --> 00:38:53,415
isn't accomplishing anything at all.

755
00:38:53,415 --> 00:38:56,595
It's almost as if it's actually
all just a big scam designed to

756
00:38:56,595 --> 00:38:58,365
funnel as much of your money.

757
00:38:58,580 --> 00:39:01,970
Into the pockets of corporate
weapons manufacturers and

758
00:39:01,970 --> 00:39:03,890
war profiteers as possible.

759
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:08,930
It's almost as if modern war is actually
more of a deeply dark business venture

760
00:39:09,170 --> 00:39:12,379
than some kind of heroic feat of tism.

761
00:39:12,379 --> 00:39:15,350
As for Europeans being
pushed into responding.

762
00:39:15,645 --> 00:39:20,565
We are falling into the same trap, selling
you the idea that the Americans pose some

763
00:39:20,565 --> 00:39:22,995
kind of threat that we need to respond to.

764
00:39:23,024 --> 00:39:27,495
Meanwhile, the response in question
seems to be funneling more of our

765
00:39:27,674 --> 00:39:32,685
taxpayer money into the very same
pockets of the US corporate weapons

766
00:39:32,685 --> 00:39:34,810
manufacturers that the Americans are So.

767
00:39:35,115 --> 00:39:38,535
Eagerly filling the pockets off,
many of which are the pockets of the

768
00:39:38,535 --> 00:39:43,095
very same people who want their hands
on Greenland in the first place.

769
00:39:43,125 --> 00:39:46,214
You really think there's an actual
conflict happening here because I am

770
00:39:46,214 --> 00:39:50,714
willing to bet that when the dust is
settled, these guys will have exactly

771
00:39:50,714 --> 00:39:52,335
what they want out of Greenland.

772
00:39:52,545 --> 00:39:57,040
Not a single shot will be fired
between Europeans and Americans, but.

773
00:39:57,365 --> 00:40:00,515
Everybody's military budget
will be through the roof.

774
00:40:00,515 --> 00:40:05,045
Meanwhile, the chucklehead who got duped
into paying for it all will be standing

775
00:40:05,045 --> 00:40:10,355
on the sidelines, waving their flags
with a satisfied, glazed over look in

776
00:40:10,355 --> 00:40:14,765
their eye like they just participated
in some kind of collective victory.

777
00:40:14,795 --> 00:40:19,535
Following the lead of a bunch of tough
talking limp wristed influencers who

778
00:40:19,535 --> 00:40:23,165
are at best useful idiots, and at worst.

779
00:40:23,315 --> 00:40:27,515
Controlled assets because what do you
do when the future of your movement

780
00:40:27,515 --> 00:40:34,325
relies on a base made up of angry
young ethnically unseasoned young men?

781
00:40:34,325 --> 00:40:38,375
When the cracks begin to show, when
those young men inevitably start

782
00:40:38,375 --> 00:40:39,920
realizing that they've been lied.

783
00:40:40,305 --> 00:40:44,625
To that the results they were
promised are never going to arrive.

784
00:40:44,654 --> 00:40:49,004
The sinister cabal, they believe they
were overthrowing, has actually been

785
00:40:49,185 --> 00:40:53,174
pulling their strings and leading
them by the nose this whole time.

786
00:40:53,174 --> 00:40:57,705
What you do is, rather than giving them
a second to think and potentially snap

787
00:40:57,705 --> 00:40:59,835
out of it, you pounce on their fear.

788
00:40:59,835 --> 00:41:00,774
You utilize their.

789
00:41:01,029 --> 00:41:05,859
Anger, their xenophobia, their
deep rooted sense of inadequacy

790
00:41:05,859 --> 00:41:07,990
to radicalize them even further.

791
00:41:08,020 --> 00:41:14,259
You fan the flames and utilize them to
push the conversation further into hatred,

792
00:41:14,259 --> 00:41:17,319
further into anger, further into division.

793
00:41:17,319 --> 00:41:21,595
Then you shepherd them back into
the fold slowly over time, not.

794
00:41:21,995 --> 00:41:26,254
By moving them back towards the
center, but by moving the center

795
00:41:26,435 --> 00:41:30,455
over towards them, moving the
public conversation deeper into

796
00:41:30,455 --> 00:41:32,464
the radical and into the hateful.

797
00:41:32,464 --> 00:41:36,185
Because hateful people are
easy to divide and divided.

798
00:41:36,185 --> 00:41:40,205
People are a lot easier
to manipulate and rule.

799
00:41:40,581 --> 00:41:45,381
I want to talk about solutions
for men, which is not something

800
00:41:45,381 --> 00:41:46,521
that I invest myself in.

801
00:41:47,166 --> 00:41:51,936
Too often, but, uh, you know, we all
have to get out of this together.

802
00:41:52,086 --> 00:41:55,596
It really is reaching a fever pitch,
and this is like a, a level of cruelty

803
00:41:55,596 --> 00:42:00,006
we're seeing enacted across the country
that that just can't fucking continue.

804
00:42:00,006 --> 00:42:03,516
And I think, you know, yes, abolish
ice, yes, abolish all of this, but

805
00:42:03,576 --> 00:42:07,356
we also need, I think from a really
deep and like psychological framework,

806
00:42:07,356 --> 00:42:13,026
need to understand how to not reach
this place where people would want

807
00:42:13,026 --> 00:42:14,526
to even join something like this.

808
00:42:14,526 --> 00:42:19,536
You know, and maybe that's a, a lofty
ideal, but I, I, I think we understand

809
00:42:19,596 --> 00:42:22,566
people who really look at this stuff
closely that like fighting immigrant

810
00:42:23,046 --> 00:42:26,886
quote unquote crime, which ultimately
just amounts to like, you know, finding

811
00:42:26,946 --> 00:42:30,576
undocumented immigrants who work at Home
Depot and kidnapping them from their job.

812
00:42:30,576 --> 00:42:32,466
Like it's a cartoon issue.

813
00:42:32,766 --> 00:42:35,376
And if you're a man seeing these DHS ads.

814
00:42:35,736 --> 00:42:36,816
It's not gonna give you purpose.

815
00:42:36,846 --> 00:42:40,956
It's not, you know, so much of this
centers around, like we said before, uh,

816
00:42:40,956 --> 00:42:45,126
the supposed danger that undocumented
immigrants pose to white women.

817
00:42:45,606 --> 00:42:50,736
The Republicans constantly bring
up Laken Riley Arena, zerka.

818
00:42:50,796 --> 00:42:53,466
They always bring up those
crimes as some sort of Gotcha.

819
00:42:53,496 --> 00:42:56,736
When we talk about like Alex Pretti and
Renee Good they're like, oh, where were

820
00:42:56,736 --> 00:42:58,146
you when Lake and Riley was killed?

821
00:42:58,356 --> 00:43:02,076
Well, the person who killed
Ra Laken Riley is in prison.

822
00:43:02,316 --> 00:43:05,466
You know, there's no justice for being
murdered, but as far as you can go in the

823
00:43:05,466 --> 00:43:07,476
justice system, these people got justice.

824
00:43:07,656 --> 00:43:10,416
The difference is people like
Alex Pretiare and Renee Good,

825
00:43:10,416 --> 00:43:11,586
they were murdered by the state.

826
00:43:11,586 --> 00:43:12,846
They have no justice.

827
00:43:13,056 --> 00:43:16,746
In fact, the state is trying actively
to not even investigate their murders.

828
00:43:17,166 --> 00:43:21,396
But also we know that undocumented
immigrants aren't the real people posing,

829
00:43:21,426 --> 00:43:23,256
threatening violence against white women.

830
00:43:23,256 --> 00:43:24,246
It's their partners.

831
00:43:24,426 --> 00:43:28,086
Statistically, it's, it's their, it's
their pastors, it straight white men.

832
00:43:28,176 --> 00:43:29,406
It's other straight white men.

833
00:43:29,466 --> 00:43:32,706
Police and ice agents and
ex-military have a higher propensity.

834
00:43:32,766 --> 00:43:34,596
To beaten and kill their wives.

835
00:43:34,656 --> 00:43:35,016
Mm-hmm.

836
00:43:35,256 --> 00:43:35,556
You know?

837
00:43:35,676 --> 00:43:42,696
So what is your messaging to young men
right now who feel like what was once

838
00:43:42,846 --> 00:43:49,326
a sort of niche, highly misogynistic,
extremely like, bizarre and intense

839
00:43:49,386 --> 00:43:53,226
yearning for like, reclaiming masculinity
that is now like the whole culture,

840
00:43:53,226 --> 00:43:54,666
especially pushed from the government?

841
00:43:54,666 --> 00:43:56,676
Like what do you, what's
your messaging to them?

842
00:43:59,406 --> 00:44:05,676
Uh, I, I don't have a lot that I'm
as confident in these days because

843
00:44:05,766 --> 00:44:10,116
what, what I've started to actually
focus on more are the children.

844
00:44:10,626 --> 00:44:11,406
Think of the children.

845
00:44:11,406 --> 00:44:15,066
Actually, I do think community,
community is a big thing.

846
00:44:15,126 --> 00:44:20,586
Seek out self-development apart
from these overly traditionalized

847
00:44:20,586 --> 00:44:26,376
masculine frameworks and find
communities, uh, outside of spaces

848
00:44:26,376 --> 00:44:29,886
that are going to reinforce and
lead you back to these spots.

849
00:44:29,886 --> 00:44:33,396
And you'd be surprised at how
much everything gets better

850
00:44:33,396 --> 00:44:37,056
once you're in community and
connecting with people and how.

851
00:44:37,441 --> 00:44:41,761
How little feminists in, in girls
with blue hair piss you off all

852
00:44:41,761 --> 00:44:45,961
of a sudden when you have like
decent friends that aren't also

853
00:44:45,961 --> 00:44:47,671
foaming at the mouth misogynist.

854
00:44:48,001 --> 00:44:51,991
But what I do actually think at
least a lot of us should focus

855
00:44:51,991 --> 00:44:54,961
on is what essentially amounts
to the liberation of children.

856
00:44:55,261 --> 00:44:59,251
One thing we didn't touch on that I'm
going to just drop and then leave so

857
00:44:59,251 --> 00:45:03,901
that you guys can't, uh, have to deal
with the mess of it all, is that, uh,

858
00:45:03,931 --> 00:45:08,341
we often forget that patriarchy is,
is a, a non-gendered, um, framework.

859
00:45:08,401 --> 00:45:14,701
If patriarchy is police most heavily
and most beneficial to men, but like

860
00:45:14,791 --> 00:45:18,151
a many men, myself included, will
tell you that the biggest patriarchs

861
00:45:18,151 --> 00:45:19,621
in their world were usually women.

862
00:45:20,161 --> 00:45:23,101
And even if, even if it's just like
other young girls when they were growing

863
00:45:23,101 --> 00:45:27,181
up, you know, policing and affirming
certain masculine norms, and I bring

864
00:45:27,181 --> 00:45:32,221
that up with the children's liberation
thing, is that we really do have to

865
00:45:32,911 --> 00:45:35,581
reframe how we raise little boys.

866
00:45:36,246 --> 00:45:40,416
And as a byproduct of that, also
little girls, there's a lot of

867
00:45:40,416 --> 00:45:45,906
effort being put in to reframe
girlhood, all for the benefit.

868
00:45:45,906 --> 00:45:46,776
All good things.

869
00:45:46,776 --> 00:45:50,076
Like these are all good things that
are happening and not nearly as much

870
00:45:50,076 --> 00:45:52,086
is being done to reframe boyhood.

871
00:45:53,166 --> 00:45:59,856
And what we're doing is priming these
boys to be very amenable to Andrew Tate

872
00:45:59,916 --> 00:46:02,916
or a Clavicular once they hit puberty.

873
00:46:03,396 --> 00:46:07,476
And you know, I, I remember there
was a video a year or two ago of

874
00:46:07,476 --> 00:46:11,106
Sneako running into a bunch of like
11 year olds that were fans of his.

875
00:46:11,106 --> 00:46:11,196
Mm-hmm.

876
00:46:11,556 --> 00:46:15,546
And they're just shouting slurs and
degrading women and trans women.

877
00:46:15,816 --> 00:46:18,966
And they don't even really understand what
they're doing, but they know that this is

878
00:46:18,966 --> 00:46:20,796
what's expected of them as little boys.

879
00:46:21,551 --> 00:46:22,461
Women talk to women.

880
00:46:22,611 --> 00:46:22,901
What?

881
00:46:23,071 --> 00:46:23,421
Sorry.

882
00:46:24,801 --> 00:46:25,941
No, no, no, no.

883
00:46:25,941 --> 00:46:26,261
Wait, wait, wait.

884
00:46:26,601 --> 00:46:27,141
We love women.

885
00:46:27,201 --> 00:46:27,661
We love women.

886
00:46:28,201 --> 00:46:28,701
We love women.

887
00:46:29,281 --> 00:46:30,541
Not, not like transgender.

888
00:46:31,731 --> 00:46:33,141
Yes, sir. We love everybody.

889
00:46:33,141 --> 00:46:34,161
No, no.

890
00:46:37,276 --> 00:46:37,566
Yeah.

891
00:46:37,731 --> 00:46:38,811
Max Preach.

892
00:46:41,596 --> 00:46:43,881
Alright, what have I done?

893
00:46:44,091 --> 00:46:46,731
And that didn't start, like,
that's not Sneako's fault.

894
00:46:47,391 --> 00:46:48,501
That's not Sneako's fault.

895
00:46:48,531 --> 00:46:49,941
That is their parents' fault.

896
00:46:50,331 --> 00:46:53,811
And that is a community and
cultural failure for those boys.

897
00:46:54,231 --> 00:47:00,381
And so we need more parents to be educated
on what their kids are accessing online.

898
00:47:00,831 --> 00:47:06,081
We need more parents to be thinking
critically about the tropes and, and

899
00:47:06,081 --> 00:47:10,371
cultural norms at they're reproducing in
their home whether they realize it or not.

900
00:47:10,581 --> 00:47:14,481
Even I, I know progressive parents
that are, are surprised at how

901
00:47:14,481 --> 00:47:17,241
misogynistic their children can be.

902
00:47:17,301 --> 00:47:17,391
Mm-hmm.

903
00:47:17,751 --> 00:47:21,801
Um, we reclaimed more of Gen ZI heard we
got some of Gen Z back in the last year.

904
00:47:21,801 --> 00:47:24,141
They were like, whoa, that whole
Trump thing seemed cool at the

905
00:47:24,141 --> 00:47:25,731
time, but maybe that was a bad idea.

906
00:47:25,941 --> 00:47:26,451
Yay.

907
00:47:26,991 --> 00:47:31,011
We don't let it even get close
with Gen Alpha We edge in Alpha, a

908
00:47:31,011 --> 00:47:37,701
bunch of Stephen Universe DVDs and
whatever stuff we can to kind of coax

909
00:47:37,701 --> 00:47:39,171
a lot of that nonsense out of them.

910
00:47:39,261 --> 00:47:44,481
That is gonna be really the, the bigger
fix beyond the things that we know,

911
00:47:44,481 --> 00:47:48,201
material conditions and economics
and joint labor unions, all, all

912
00:47:48,201 --> 00:47:49,791
the good lefty stuff we know about.

913
00:47:50,151 --> 00:47:54,051
But the thing that we're often missing
is how we're raising the children up

914
00:47:54,051 --> 00:47:56,691
to be primed for this type of nonsense.

915
00:47:57,011 --> 00:47:58,341
We’ve just heard clips starting with:

916
00:47:58,411 --> 00:48:02,901
Swolesome, arguing that white men
facing uncomfortable truths about race

917
00:48:02,981 --> 00:48:08,331
either ally with resistance or ally with
existing power structures, and pretending

918
00:48:08,331 --> 00:48:10,601
that's a difficult choice is complicity.

919
00:48:11,161 --> 00:48:14,091
Some More News, observed that
Ben Shapiro's speech about

920
00:48:14,091 --> 00:48:18,271
permission structures for hatred
was delivered at an event full of

921
00:48:18,271 --> 00:48:19,941
the very grifters he was scolding.

922
00:48:20,561 --> 00:48:25,061
The Humanist Report, revealed that ICE
recruits were failed cops, degenerate

923
00:48:25,071 --> 00:48:30,101
gamblers, college dropouts, and people
with incel tendencies, and are motivated

924
00:48:30,101 --> 00:48:32,321
by money rather than any sense of mission.

925
00:48:33,401 --> 00:48:37,331
JimmyTheGiant, traced how economic
insecurity and social instability push

926
00:48:37,351 --> 00:48:42,381
people toward rigid group identities,
making once-fringe figures like Tommy

927
00:48:42,381 --> 00:48:46,611
Robinson and Nigel Farage suddenly
resonate with anxious populations.

928
00:48:47,341 --> 00:48:51,981
PissedMagistus, described how leaders
exploit angry young men's fear and

929
00:48:51,981 --> 00:48:56,811
inadequacy when promised results never
arrive, radicalizing them further

930
00:48:56,881 --> 00:49:00,281
rather than giving them a moment to
realize they've been manipulated.

931
00:49:01,161 --> 00:49:04,831
matt bernstein, recommended that young
men seek community and self-development

932
00:49:05,011 --> 00:49:10,051
outside hyper-traditional masculine
frameworks, arguing that misogynistic

933
00:49:10,091 --> 00:49:14,991
anger often dissolves once someone finds
decent friends who aren't reinforcing it.

934
00:49:15,431 --> 00:49:18,621
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935
00:49:18,841 --> 00:49:21,081
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00:49:38,651 --> 00:49:40,681
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961
00:50:35,461 --> 00:50:36,661
As for today’s topic,

962
00:50:37,521 --> 00:50:41,411
Last November, a teenager named
Josh Sargent wrote a piece in The

963
00:50:41,411 --> 00:50:45,241
Guardian about what happened to
him between the ages of 12 and 14.

964
00:50:45,691 --> 00:50:50,161
His feed filled up with muscular,
wealthy men parading through

965
00:50:50,171 --> 00:50:54,091
Dubai, draped in designer labels,
flanked by beautiful women.

966
00:50:54,571 --> 00:50:57,851
They promised him money,
meaning, and manhood.

967
00:50:58,401 --> 00:51:01,121
Misogyny was everywhere
in these communities.

968
00:51:01,381 --> 00:51:02,981
So was political extremism.

969
00:51:03,171 --> 00:51:06,511
And what held him there, he
says, is that they made him

970
00:51:06,521 --> 00:51:09,131
feel listened to and considered.

971
00:51:09,831 --> 00:51:14,631
What got him out was reading nuanced
discussion that confronted these

972
00:51:14,631 --> 00:51:17,231
spaces without dismissing his pain.

973
00:51:17,751 --> 00:51:20,871
Writing that helped him see the
business model for what it was.

974
00:51:21,281 --> 00:51:26,281
In his words talking about the influencers
targeting young men: "that's nothing more

975
00:51:26,281 --> 00:51:29,391
than a facade. A dodgy sales tactic."

976
00:51:30,391 --> 00:51:35,781
He closes the piece with this: "I can
promise you, we're not lost. We're

977
00:51:35,791 --> 00:51:37,931
just waiting for you to hear us."

978
00:51:39,081 --> 00:51:41,891
That's the pattern with the
manosphere, the ecosystem of

979
00:51:42,091 --> 00:51:46,151
podcasters, YouTubers, and influencers
built around male grievance.

980
00:51:46,581 --> 00:51:51,551
There's a fracture at its core that
can't be called out enough: the interests

981
00:51:51,571 --> 00:51:55,761
of hurting men and the interests of
the influencers who claim to speak

982
00:51:55,761 --> 00:51:58,331
for them are fundamentally opposed.

983
00:51:58,781 --> 00:52:00,111
The pain is real.

984
00:52:00,221 --> 00:52:01,391
We should say that plainly.

985
00:52:01,751 --> 00:52:05,901
Men are lonelier, more economically
precarious, and less likely

986
00:52:05,901 --> 00:52:08,901
to seek help than at almost
any point in modern history.

987
00:52:09,431 --> 00:52:10,951
But this isn't some mystery.

988
00:52:11,261 --> 00:52:16,011
Decades of neoliberal economic policy
have hollowed out the institutions that

989
00:52:16,031 --> 00:52:18,091
gave people stability and belonging.

990
00:52:18,461 --> 00:52:19,511
Unions gutted.

991
00:52:19,721 --> 00:52:22,201
Pensions replaced with market gambles.

992
00:52:22,481 --> 00:52:24,101
Social safety nets shredded.

993
00:52:24,571 --> 00:52:27,861
The communities built around stable
employment, the places where men

994
00:52:27,871 --> 00:52:32,051
used to form friendships and find
identity outside of work and romance,

995
00:52:32,441 --> 00:52:34,651
systematically defunded or destroyed.

996
00:52:35,351 --> 00:52:38,551
And the way boys are raised to
not deal with their emotions means

997
00:52:38,651 --> 00:52:42,031
men are particularly ill-equipped
to cope with all of that.

998
00:52:42,921 --> 00:52:46,021
Into that vacuum step the
manosphere influencers.

999
00:52:46,211 --> 00:52:48,961
And they're not entirely
wrong about the diagnosis.

1000
00:52:49,201 --> 00:52:53,731
But as I frequently say, it's a lot
easier to correctly diagnose a problem

1001
00:52:53,921 --> 00:52:55,691
than to find the right solution.

1002
00:52:55,861 --> 00:52:59,191
So, just because someone has
correctly identified your problem

1003
00:52:59,481 --> 00:53:01,351
doesn't mean they have the answer.

1004
00:53:02,181 --> 00:53:07,991
But they do name real things; economic
anxiety, social isolation, the fact

1005
00:53:07,991 --> 00:53:11,711
that men don't go to the doctor, don't
see a therapist, don't ask for help.

1006
00:53:11,811 --> 00:53:12,541
All true.

1007
00:53:12,891 --> 00:53:17,131
But the reason men don't seek help is
that they've been raised to believe

1008
00:53:17,181 --> 00:53:22,821
asking is weakness, meanwhile women are
basically begging men to go to therapy.

1009
00:53:23,351 --> 00:53:26,551
And when men do go to the
doctor, the system fails them

1010
00:53:26,561 --> 00:53:28,151
differently than it fails women.

1011
00:53:28,381 --> 00:53:33,981
Women aren’t believed about their pain
and symptoms so they’re under-treated.

1012
00:53:34,371 --> 00:53:39,561
Men report their pain and doctors
unconsciously assume they're stoic,

1013
00:53:39,661 --> 00:53:45,391
tough, and *wouldn't be complaining
unless it's serious*, so they get handed

1014
00:53:45,481 --> 00:53:47,561
the strongest painkiller available.

1015
00:53:48,021 --> 00:53:52,771
That's how you get an opioid epidemic that
kills men at significantly higher rates.

1016
00:53:53,331 --> 00:53:57,181
bell hooks was writing about
how patriarchy harms men decades

1017
00:53:57,181 --> 00:53:59,161
ago in The Will to Change.

1018
00:53:59,641 --> 00:54:03,401
The feminist structural critique
already explains all of this.

1019
00:54:03,721 --> 00:54:07,941
The manosphere just cherry-picks
the symptoms that fit their sales

1020
00:54:07,941 --> 00:54:10,281
pitch and hides the real causes.

1021
00:54:11,071 --> 00:54:15,341
Another example, men are lonely
right now but here's something the

1022
00:54:15,511 --> 00:54:19,981
manosphere will never tell you:
loneliness is not a gendered crisis.

1023
00:54:20,141 --> 00:54:21,401
It's a universal one.

1024
00:54:21,831 --> 00:54:24,721
Pew Research found that
roughly equal shares of men

1025
00:54:24,751 --> 00:54:26,911
and women report being lonely.

1026
00:54:27,201 --> 00:54:30,711
The CDC found it was actually
slightly more common among women.

1027
00:54:31,301 --> 00:54:34,011
There is no male loneliness epidemic.

1028
00:54:34,161 --> 00:54:35,751
There's a loneliness epidemic.

1029
00:54:35,811 --> 00:54:36,321
Period.

1030
00:54:36,891 --> 00:54:38,631
The only consistent gender difference?

1031
00:54:39,021 --> 00:54:41,961
Women are more likely to
reach out for support.

1032
00:54:42,491 --> 00:54:44,621
So the gap isn't who's lonely.

1033
00:54:44,861 --> 00:54:48,081
It's who has the emotional
tools to address it.

1034
00:54:48,541 --> 00:54:53,771
Again, it's patriarchy behind the curtain,
raising boys who think it's weak to reach

1035
00:54:53,771 --> 00:54:56,581
out and cool to be stoically detached.

1036
00:54:57,571 --> 00:55:02,441
And the lie by omission that is
the "male loneliness crisis" is

1037
00:55:02,441 --> 00:55:04,121
where you see the strategy at work.

1038
00:55:04,411 --> 00:55:06,121
It's divide and profit.

1039
00:55:06,581 --> 00:55:10,981
Men, women, and nonbinary people
all have legitimate issues that

1040
00:55:10,981 --> 00:55:16,141
particularly impact their cohorts,
but the manosphere strategy is to take

1041
00:55:16,261 --> 00:55:21,911
universal problems like loneliness,
precarity, and lack of community, and

1042
00:55:21,921 --> 00:55:28,361
bundle them together with gender-specific
grievances to make the pile seem larger.

1043
00:55:28,671 --> 00:55:33,761
So large, in fact, that they can try to
legitimize the idea that men are the truly

1044
00:55:34,051 --> 00:55:36,911
oppressed gender and women are the reason.

1045
00:55:37,691 --> 00:55:42,641
That framing kills solidarity, which
works for them because solidarity

1046
00:55:42,731 --> 00:55:44,211
doesn't generate engagement.

1047
00:55:44,481 --> 00:55:45,951
Gender war does.

1048
00:55:46,501 --> 00:55:51,151
So watch what gets prescribed
after the diagnosis: blame women.

1049
00:55:51,341 --> 00:55:52,361
Blame feminism.

1050
00:55:52,551 --> 00:55:53,711
Blame dating apps.

1051
00:55:53,891 --> 00:55:58,291
Blame the idea that women only
date up and are wildly shallow,

1052
00:55:58,431 --> 00:56:00,091
only caring about looks.

1053
00:56:00,851 --> 00:56:03,911
The distraction tactics are so
obvious, they might as well be

1054
00:56:03,911 --> 00:56:08,051
saying, "Look over here! What's
this?!" while jangling a set of keys.

1055
00:56:09,421 --> 00:56:14,321
On that idea of women being super shallow
and only caring about looks: I always

1056
00:56:14,331 --> 00:56:19,091
understood the opposite to be more true,
so much so that beautiful women being

1057
00:56:19,101 --> 00:56:22,001
with sort of shlubby men is a trope.

1058
00:56:22,671 --> 00:56:26,431
Instead of looksmaxxing,
try personality maxing.

1059
00:56:26,821 --> 00:56:30,441
And yes, the looksmaxxers actually
have a term for trying to have a

1060
00:56:30,441 --> 00:56:37,081
good personality: "jestermaxxing."
They literally rebranded being fun

1061
00:56:37,081 --> 00:56:41,441
to be around as a joke, which tells
you everything about how desperate

1062
00:56:41,441 --> 00:56:43,391
they are to keep the scam going.

1063
00:56:44,051 --> 00:56:47,701
Going down the manosphere rabbit
hole inevitably turns you into what

1064
00:56:47,861 --> 00:56:53,201
our producer Deon lovingly calls
an "unfuckable loser." What woman

1065
00:56:53,251 --> 00:56:57,371
wants to date someone who hates
women and darkly broods about it?

1066
00:56:58,031 --> 00:57:02,171
But that's not destiny, that's a choice
so anyone can choose to be different.

1067
00:57:02,661 --> 00:57:06,561
I know a young guy who's nice to
women and they think he's a miracle

1068
00:57:06,571 --> 00:57:10,821
sent from heaven because he does
something as basic as apologizing

1069
00:57:10,821 --> 00:57:13,131
when he's slow to reply to a text.

1070
00:57:13,761 --> 00:57:18,171
The manosphere is setting the bar so
low that just having basic decency

1071
00:57:18,391 --> 00:57:20,271
makes you a godsend to women.

1072
00:57:21,021 --> 00:57:24,261
But here's the hopeful point for
the rest of us: the manosphere

1073
00:57:24,311 --> 00:57:26,981
audience isn't loyal to an ideology.

1074
00:57:27,141 --> 00:57:31,611
They're loyal to a feeling: someone
seeing them and naming their pain.

1075
00:57:32,021 --> 00:57:34,831
That actually makes the whole
thing more fragile than it looks.

1076
00:57:35,241 --> 00:57:40,341
If something else provides that feeling
more honestly, people will move on.

1077
00:57:40,841 --> 00:57:43,831
So let me tell you about two
responses to the same comment on

1078
00:57:44,271 --> 00:57:46,231
YouTube under our episode of SOLVED!

1079
00:57:46,271 --> 00:57:50,111
titled, "There is no 'Male
Loneliness Epidemic™'." You can

1080
00:57:50,111 --> 00:57:51,661
imagine the people that attracted.

1081
00:57:52,291 --> 00:57:55,961
A men's-rights-adjacent commenter
pushed back on the idea posed

1082
00:57:56,101 --> 00:58:00,571
in one of our source articles
that men are loud complainers.

1083
00:58:00,951 --> 00:58:04,451
The commenter argued that,
actually, men are silent

1084
00:58:04,461 --> 00:58:07,011
sufferers, not loud complainers.

1085
00:58:07,561 --> 00:58:13,331
And someone else, seemingly a woman and
clearly frustrated, responds: "Have you

1086
00:58:13,351 --> 00:58:15,351
ever had to hear a man with a cold?"

1087
00:58:16,681 --> 00:58:17,201
I get it.

1088
00:58:17,351 --> 00:58:19,941
The impulse is understandable
and the frustration is real.

1089
00:58:20,201 --> 00:58:25,741
But a guy shows up saying men are
suffering, and the response is mockery.

1090
00:58:26,261 --> 00:58:30,441
If you're a man reading that thread who's
actually hurting, what did you just learn?

1091
00:58:31,121 --> 00:58:32,851
That this isn't a space for you.

1092
00:58:33,101 --> 00:58:39,101
And the manosphere is right there saying,
"See? They don't care about you. We do."

1093
00:58:40,101 --> 00:58:42,991
What I said when I responded
to the same comment was that

1094
00:58:43,061 --> 00:58:44,691
he's raising a fair point.

1095
00:58:45,071 --> 00:58:49,961
Men suffering in silence is real,
documented, and not their fault.

1096
00:58:50,701 --> 00:58:54,221
The way boys are raised creates
genuine barriers to seeking help.

1097
00:58:54,511 --> 00:58:58,421
But the point we were making in the
show was about the public discourse

1098
00:58:58,451 --> 00:59:03,721
about male loneliness, the version with
algorithmic reach and podcast empires,

1099
00:59:03,861 --> 00:59:07,001
being dominated by voices that are loud.

1100
00:59:07,511 --> 00:59:12,121
The silent sufferers and the loud
complainers aren't the same population.

1101
00:59:12,551 --> 00:59:18,071
The loud version is misleading and
profiting from the silent one, while

1102
00:59:18,321 --> 00:59:22,761
giving some of those silent sufferers
the confidence to go around to

1103
00:59:22,761 --> 00:59:26,231
internet comment sections to explain
how uniquely oppressed men are.

1104
00:59:27,191 --> 00:59:30,381
There's a dangerous instinct
on the left to write off anyone

1105
00:59:30,391 --> 00:59:34,681
using manosphere-adjacent language
as a lost cause but it does the

1106
00:59:34,991 --> 00:59:36,791
manosphere's recruiting for them.

1107
00:59:37,361 --> 00:59:40,591
I'm not telling women to go be
nice to strange men in public to

1108
00:59:40,591 --> 00:59:41,981
keep them away from the manosphere.

1109
00:59:42,151 --> 00:59:46,411
But online, the risk is lower,
the potential reach is broad,

1110
00:59:46,631 --> 00:59:48,411
and the tone you set matters.

1111
00:59:49,021 --> 00:59:52,361
And there's a self-fulfilling mechanism
worth naming for the men out there.

1112
00:59:52,791 --> 00:59:57,061
Men being angry at women
makes women fear men.

1113
00:59:57,441 --> 00:59:59,391
Which makes women avoid men.

1114
00:59:59,691 --> 01:00:01,111
Which makes men lonelier.

1115
01:00:01,241 --> 01:00:02,481
Which makes them angrier.

1116
01:00:02,951 --> 01:00:06,821
Men who want to live in a world
where women feel comfortable saying

1117
01:00:06,821 --> 01:00:11,381
hi to a stranger in public should be
feminists, fighting for a world where

1118
01:00:11,381 --> 01:00:14,001
women don't need to be afraid of men.

1119
01:00:14,661 --> 01:00:20,021
The manosphere's prescribed solution makes
the problem it claims to solve worse.

1120
01:00:21,091 --> 01:00:23,031
Alternatives to the manosphere exist.

1121
01:00:23,281 --> 01:00:27,591
Man Therapy at mantherapy.org is
evidence-based and designed to

1122
01:00:27,601 --> 01:00:30,891
meet men where they are on mental
health and suicide prevention.

1123
01:00:31,361 --> 01:00:36,421
Black Men Heal at blackmenheal.org
provides free therapy for men of

1124
01:00:36,421 --> 01:00:42,541
color, with the motto: "Healed Men
Heal Men." And Reddit communities like

1125
01:00:42,581 --> 01:00:48,331
r/IncelExit and r/ExRedPill are peer
spaces where men who've been in the

1126
01:00:48,331 --> 01:00:50,561
pipeline help others find a way out.

1127
01:00:51,041 --> 01:00:52,971
But dedicated programs aren't enough.

1128
01:00:53,201 --> 01:00:57,241
What we actually need is for people
who already have trust with audiences,

1129
01:00:57,411 --> 01:01:02,251
people who talk about fitness, gaming,
cooking, whatever, to understand

1130
01:01:02,271 --> 01:01:06,681
the feminist perspective on how
patriarchy hurts men well enough

1131
01:01:06,921 --> 01:01:10,571
that when it comes up naturally, they
point people in the right direction

1132
01:01:10,741 --> 01:01:12,561
instead of reinforcing the old ideas.

1133
01:01:13,161 --> 01:01:17,641
This perspective needs to be in the
ether, permeating through anyone

1134
01:01:17,641 --> 01:01:22,581
with any platform, any trust, talking
about it patiently and in a way

1135
01:01:22,611 --> 01:01:24,831
that's welcoming, any chance they get.

1136
01:01:25,581 --> 01:01:30,331
So every one of you needs to help
spread feminist theory on how

1137
01:01:30,331 --> 01:01:34,901
it's patriarchy and capitalism,
not women, that are hurting men.

1138
01:01:35,381 --> 01:01:39,421
Speak up in conversations and
comment sections whenever possible.

1139
01:01:39,861 --> 01:01:42,531
And I know what you're thinking:
who's got the time or energy for that?

1140
01:01:43,211 --> 01:01:46,731
This will sound like a joke
but I'm dead serious: use AI.

1141
01:01:47,261 --> 01:01:52,251
Give a chatbot the context, have it draft
a thoughtful feminist rebuttal, drop it in

1142
01:01:52,251 --> 01:01:53,981
the comments, and move on with your life.

1143
01:01:54,481 --> 01:01:58,411
We can't abandon these spaces
to hate-mongers and troll farms

1144
01:01:58,591 --> 01:02:02,341
when we have arguments that are
so much stronger than their’s.

1145
01:02:03,781 --> 01:02:06,841
On a more personal note, if you have
a man in your life who's struggling,

1146
01:02:07,071 --> 01:02:11,261
the research says relationships
are the top thing that pulls people

1147
01:02:11,271 --> 01:02:13,021
out, far more than arguments.

1148
01:02:13,391 --> 01:02:17,561
So share the resources, post some
thoughtful comments, and try to be

1149
01:02:17,561 --> 01:02:21,591
a positive influence whenever you
can, in the real world or online.

1150
01:02:22,361 --> 01:02:25,831
People who are hurting for
essentially any reason are worth

1151
01:02:25,841 --> 01:02:27,451
helping for their own sake.

1152
01:02:27,751 --> 01:02:32,591
But when that pain is being profitably
funneled into anger and regressive

1153
01:02:32,601 --> 01:02:37,831
grievance politics, they can be a genuine
danger to society, so it's in everyone's

1154
01:02:37,831 --> 01:02:39,781
best interest to do what we all can.

1155
01:02:40,551 --> 01:02:43,981
To repeat what Josh Sargent said to
close out his piece in The Guardian,

1156
01:02:44,091 --> 01:02:49,151
speaking for men and boys who need help:
"I can promise you, we're not lost.

1157
01:02:49,441 --> 01:02:51,401
We're just waiting for you to hear us."

1158
01:02:52,081 --> 01:02:56,401
Note that we’ve begun putting
my commentaries on YouTube so if

1159
01:02:56,411 --> 01:02:59,471
you find them insightful, check
out our channel and share them!

1160
01:02:59,851 --> 01:03:00,801
Link in the show notes.

1161
01:03:01,921 --> 01:03:05,151
And now, we’ll continue to dive
deeper on four topics today.

1162
01:03:05,441 --> 01:03:05,901
Next up:

1163
01:03:05,901 --> 01:03:08,181
SECTION A, Fragile Masculinity

1164
01:03:08,421 --> 01:03:10,671
Followed by SECTION B, Pipeline to Hell

1165
01:03:10,921 --> 01:03:13,131
SECTION C, The Propaganda Machine

1166
01:03:13,301 --> 01:03:16,111
And SECTION D, Authoritarian Curious

1167
01:03:16,672 --> 01:03:17,002
Child.

1168
01:03:17,002 --> 01:03:21,412
The patriarchy is fracturing
and black women see it first.

1169
01:03:22,042 --> 01:03:27,112
But what people keep calling
dating, chaos, gender wars, and

1170
01:03:27,112 --> 01:03:32,302
this masculinity crisis, or the
male loneliness crisis, baby.

1171
01:03:32,302 --> 01:03:33,322
It's bigger than that.

1172
01:03:34,582 --> 01:03:34,912
Yeah.

1173
01:03:35,212 --> 01:03:38,242
We are watching the patriarchy crack.

1174
01:03:38,842 --> 01:03:42,052
If you know anything about the
patriarchy, it is built off of

1175
01:03:42,052 --> 01:03:45,562
control, access, and silence.

1176
01:03:46,432 --> 01:03:53,722
Control over our bodies, access to our
intellectual property, access to our

1177
01:03:53,722 --> 01:04:01,852
time access to our ingenuity and silence,
and it's not working the way it used to.

1178
01:04:02,362 --> 01:04:04,942
Our feminine energy is responding.

1179
01:04:05,482 --> 01:04:08,782
It's a feminine awakening
or a reawakening.

1180
01:04:09,217 --> 01:04:10,747
And it didn't come out of nowhere.

1181
01:04:11,137 --> 01:04:17,857
It is a response to burnout, exploitation,
and emotional labor with no return.

1182
01:04:18,457 --> 01:04:23,377
And what we often get confused
is femininity means soft, right?

1183
01:04:24,037 --> 01:04:27,517
I hear a lot of people talking about
they're in their soft era, and yes, that

1184
01:04:27,517 --> 01:04:33,667
is part of it, but the feminine means
to be aware, selective, discerning.

1185
01:04:34,477 --> 01:04:38,167
So it's more than the soft girl
era or the clean girl aesthetic.

1186
01:04:38,572 --> 01:04:42,442
And I'd argue that black women
see it first because we've never

1187
01:04:42,442 --> 01:04:44,362
been protected by the patriarchy.

1188
01:04:44,842 --> 01:04:49,942
We were always the people expected
to carry it, maintain it, and suffer

1189
01:04:49,942 --> 01:04:51,622
under it all at the same time.

1190
01:04:52,042 --> 01:04:56,752
And so we've always seen the
cracks and now we see this feminine

1191
01:04:56,752 --> 01:04:58,882
awakening from white women as well.

1192
01:04:59,482 --> 01:05:03,772
Wondering why black women aren't
shocked, baby, we already knew.

1193
01:05:04,942 --> 01:05:07,582
So this is validating
what we already knew.

1194
01:05:08,407 --> 01:05:14,287
And I wanna take a moment to say that this
is not a gender war conversation, right?

1195
01:05:14,557 --> 01:05:18,847
I'm not blaming men, but I want
us all to notice and observe

1196
01:05:18,847 --> 01:05:20,377
what's actually happening.

1197
01:05:21,037 --> 01:05:25,177
Black women have seen the cracks
in the foundation of patriarchy.

1198
01:05:25,852 --> 01:05:30,532
For a long time, we've seen the
contradictions and we know what it cost.

1199
01:05:31,162 --> 01:05:36,202
Often people call us bitter hard,
too independent, but it was actually

1200
01:05:36,202 --> 01:05:41,842
clarity and self preservation, and so
often people go, well, black women,

1201
01:05:42,022 --> 01:05:43,387
black women are choosing to be single.

1202
01:05:44,482 --> 01:05:47,782
We're losing faith in a system
that never protected us.

1203
01:05:48,112 --> 01:05:51,562
Black women were never supposed
to be a part of the patriarchy.

1204
01:05:52,012 --> 01:05:52,852
We're pausing.

1205
01:05:53,572 --> 01:05:53,992
Right?

1206
01:05:54,112 --> 01:05:55,072
It is discernment.

1207
01:05:55,582 --> 01:05:55,792
Baby.

1208
01:05:55,792 --> 01:05:59,332
We're letting the silence
of our absence do the work.

1209
01:06:00,002 --> 01:06:03,422
Not suggesting that women aren't
lonely and it isn't an issue, but

1210
01:06:03,422 --> 01:06:06,782
the reality is when a woman doesn't
have a romantic relationship, she

1211
01:06:06,782 --> 01:06:10,172
oftentimes pours that energy into
her work and her friend network.

1212
01:06:10,172 --> 01:06:14,432
I hate to respond to Galloway again, but
he has been making the rounds on every

1213
01:06:14,432 --> 01:06:19,112
major TV show and podcast, and this
video is a great example of just how

1214
01:06:19,112 --> 01:06:24,602
problematic some of his talking points
can be and how he packages them in a

1215
01:06:24,602 --> 01:06:27,092
way that makes them sound reasonable.

1216
01:06:27,417 --> 01:06:31,437
Even in that very first clip, he
acknowledges that women are also

1217
01:06:31,437 --> 01:06:36,567
lonely before completely disregarding
it in the exact same sentence, but

1218
01:06:36,567 --> 01:06:39,477
the very next part of this clip
is what I really wanna focus on.

1219
01:06:39,477 --> 01:06:44,667
She finds that relationship, love, and
satisfaction in other places when a

1220
01:06:44,667 --> 01:06:47,667
young man doesn't have a relationship
by the time he's 30, if he hasn't

1221
01:06:47,667 --> 01:06:50,427
cohabitated with someone or married
someone, there's a one in three chance

1222
01:06:50,667 --> 01:06:51,927
he's gonna be a substance abuser.

1223
01:06:52,847 --> 01:06:55,637
Men need relationships more than women.

1224
01:06:55,637 --> 01:06:59,537
Scott is right that based on the data,
men do struggle more with isolation.

1225
01:06:59,537 --> 01:07:04,577
He's also right that the statistics are
alarming, but the takeaway of men need

1226
01:07:04,577 --> 01:07:09,167
relationships more than women is where
the problematic subtext comes into play.

1227
01:07:09,857 --> 01:07:13,247
Because if you're familiar with
Scott's messaging, he is specifically

1228
01:07:13,457 --> 01:07:18,227
referring to romantic relationships
and putting the onus on women becoming

1229
01:07:18,227 --> 01:07:21,737
the sole entities capable of fixing us.

1230
01:07:21,917 --> 01:07:25,517
But it is not the job of women
to fix broken men, and we need to

1231
01:07:25,517 --> 01:07:29,292
stop pretending like that isn't
horribly problematic to say.

1232
01:07:29,987 --> 01:07:34,817
Both in how it objectify women as
tools solely for the betterment of men

1233
01:07:35,057 --> 01:07:37,487
and in how it is derogatory to men.

1234
01:07:37,487 --> 01:07:42,527
In saying that we are incapable of finding
community outside of a sexual partner,

1235
01:07:42,557 --> 01:07:46,247
we need to zoom out and, and think
about this from a long-term perspective.

1236
01:07:46,607 --> 01:07:48,137
Men need support systems.

1237
01:07:48,197 --> 01:07:49,367
Men need friendships.

1238
01:07:49,367 --> 01:07:53,087
Men need to be taught from
childhood that it's okay to have

1239
01:07:53,087 --> 01:07:56,657
emotional intimacy with people who
aren't their girlfriend or wife.

1240
01:07:57,212 --> 01:08:00,572
Friendships with women, women's
perspectives, women's presence

1241
01:08:00,572 --> 01:08:04,292
in our lives are all valuable,
but not because they exist to fix

1242
01:08:04,292 --> 01:08:06,392
us, but because they're people.

1243
01:08:06,607 --> 01:08:07,982
You, you just said it yourself.

1244
01:08:07,982 --> 01:08:12,602
Women pour energy into their work and
their friend networks, they find love

1245
01:08:12,602 --> 01:08:14,762
and satisfaction in other places.

1246
01:08:14,762 --> 01:08:18,932
There was no biological imperative
that keeps men from doing the same.

1247
01:08:19,412 --> 01:08:21,632
We do tell men the exact opposite.

1248
01:08:21,782 --> 01:08:24,992
We've told them that having a
best friend you're emotionally

1249
01:08:24,992 --> 01:08:26,882
vulnerable with is beta behavior.

1250
01:08:26,882 --> 01:08:29,972
We've told them that crying in front
of your buddies makes you weak.

1251
01:08:29,972 --> 01:08:35,162
We've told them that the only acceptable
place for emotional intimacy is behind

1252
01:08:35,162 --> 01:08:37,052
closed doors with a romantic partner.

1253
01:08:37,802 --> 01:08:42,422
Then we act shocked when men without
romantic partners completely fall apart.

1254
01:08:42,422 --> 01:08:43,982
But this isn't a bug in the system.

1255
01:08:43,982 --> 01:08:44,972
This is a feature of it.

1256
01:08:45,257 --> 01:08:49,457
This is the patriarchy working exactly
as designed and it's harming everyone.

1257
01:08:49,817 --> 01:08:53,897
It's harming women who are expected to
be their partner's, therapist, mother

1258
01:08:53,927 --> 01:08:58,007
and soul emotional support system,
and it's harming men who've been told

1259
01:08:58,007 --> 01:09:02,537
they're not allowed to open up to anyone
except a woman they're sleeping with.

1260
01:09:03,017 --> 01:09:07,637
If the only thing keeping a man
from substance abuse is having a

1261
01:09:07,637 --> 01:09:10,577
wife, that's not a partnership,
that's a hostage situation.

1262
01:09:10,847 --> 01:09:13,697
My wife is not responsible
for my mental health.

1263
01:09:13,937 --> 01:09:14,777
She does help.

1264
01:09:15,482 --> 01:09:19,382
We, we, we help each other, but
she's not my emotional life wrath.

1265
01:09:19,382 --> 01:09:23,042
She's my partner because I like her,
because I enjoy spending time with her

1266
01:09:23,042 --> 01:09:27,662
because she's, she's brilliant and, and
funny, and I genuinely want to hear what

1267
01:09:27,662 --> 01:09:32,792
she thinks about things, not because I'm
one breakup away from becoming an addict.

1268
01:09:32,792 --> 01:09:36,827
So when you say men need relationships
more than women, what I hear is

1269
01:09:36,832 --> 01:09:42,032
we failed our boys by refusing to
teach them basic emotional skills.

1270
01:09:42,452 --> 01:09:46,682
The solution isn't to make sure every
man has a woman to save him from himself.

1271
01:09:46,682 --> 01:09:49,772
The solution is to start
teaching boys that it's okay

1272
01:09:49,772 --> 01:09:51,092
to have friends, real friends.

1273
01:09:51,752 --> 01:09:53,462
The kind you can call at 2:00 AM the kind.

1274
01:09:53,462 --> 01:09:57,482
You can cry with the kind who
know you're struggling before.

1275
01:09:57,482 --> 01:09:58,772
You have to say it out loud.

1276
01:09:58,772 --> 01:10:01,382
And those friends can also include women.

1277
01:10:01,382 --> 01:10:04,562
Like when you break it down, the
whole framing is so derogatory to

1278
01:10:04,562 --> 01:10:06,362
men, yet I'm the bad guy, right?

1279
01:10:06,362 --> 01:10:08,352
We're not helpless, we're
not ticking time bombs.

1280
01:10:08,897 --> 01:10:10,697
That need women to diffuse us.

1281
01:10:10,697 --> 01:10:13,697
We're capable of building
the same support networks.

1282
01:10:13,697 --> 01:10:16,007
We're capable of emotional intelligence.

1283
01:10:16,007 --> 01:10:21,497
We're capable of being whole healthy
people without romantic relationships.

1284
01:10:21,827 --> 01:10:25,907
And the beauty of becoming a whole healthy
person is that romantic relationships

1285
01:10:25,907 --> 01:10:30,077
will then end up happening organically,
but we have to actually teach that.

1286
01:10:30,617 --> 01:10:34,067
We have to actually model that and we
have to stop using statistics about

1287
01:10:34,067 --> 01:10:39,707
male suffering as justification for why
women should settle, or why women should

1288
01:10:39,797 --> 01:10:44,237
take on the emotional labor of fixing
broken men or why women should stay in

1289
01:10:44,237 --> 01:10:46,487
relationships that don't serve them.

1290
01:10:47,222 --> 01:10:51,962
The problem isn't that men need
romantic relationships more than women.

1291
01:10:51,962 --> 01:10:53,702
It isn't in our DNA.

1292
01:10:54,122 --> 01:10:57,722
The problem is that we've told men
that they're only allowed to have

1293
01:10:57,722 --> 01:11:01,292
one kind of relationship, and until
we fix that, we're just gonna keep

1294
01:11:01,292 --> 01:11:03,452
cycling through this same conversation.

1295
01:11:03,692 --> 01:11:08,282
Blaming women for men's loneliness instead
of building a world where men are allowed

1296
01:11:08,282 --> 01:11:10,472
to not be lonely in the first place.

1297
01:11:11,087 --> 01:11:16,007
Bell Hooks talked about this literally
over 20 years ago in the will to change.

1298
01:11:16,007 --> 01:11:17,717
This isn't a new phenomenon.

1299
01:11:17,897 --> 01:11:19,157
We can do better.

1300
01:11:19,607 --> 01:11:23,417
We are capable of being better,
but that starts with us, not with

1301
01:11:23,417 --> 01:11:25,517
waiting for women to save us.

1302
01:11:26,216 --> 01:11:30,056
Before the United States existed,
masculinity wasn't something men

1303
01:11:30,176 --> 01:11:31,826
talked about on a regular basis.

1304
01:11:31,886 --> 01:11:32,666
They didn't need to.

1305
01:11:32,756 --> 01:11:36,956
In Colonial America and in the early
republic, masculinity wasn't an identity.

1306
01:11:37,106 --> 01:11:38,126
It was a status.

1307
01:11:38,156 --> 01:11:41,156
A man wasn't required to
perform toughness or dominance.

1308
01:11:41,186 --> 01:11:44,966
Those things were assumed by virtue
of his legal and social position.

1309
01:11:45,026 --> 01:11:47,576
Masculinity was embedded
in property ownership.

1310
01:11:47,736 --> 01:11:49,836
Household authority and racial hierarchy.

1311
01:11:49,986 --> 01:11:53,976
White men ruled families, controlled
women and children, and exercised

1312
01:11:53,976 --> 01:11:56,226
near total power over enslaved people.

1313
01:11:56,256 --> 01:12:00,336
Violence was present a lot of
violence, but it wasn't romanticized

1314
01:12:00,426 --> 01:12:01,806
in the same way it is today.

1315
01:12:01,866 --> 01:12:05,346
Actual authority mattered
more than masculine swagger.

1316
01:12:05,406 --> 01:12:09,011
There was no need for emotional
self-expression, no obsession

1317
01:12:09,011 --> 01:12:12,306
with toughness, and very little
anxiety about being soft.

1318
01:12:12,371 --> 01:12:14,711
Power was structural, not symbolic.

1319
01:12:14,741 --> 01:12:17,351
Politics did not need to talk
about masculinity because

1320
01:12:17,351 --> 01:12:19,211
male dominance was everywhere.

1321
01:12:19,271 --> 01:12:20,321
It was structural.

1322
01:12:20,321 --> 01:12:22,781
It was enforced by law,
custom, and religion.

1323
01:12:22,901 --> 01:12:27,011
There was no anxiety because there was no
meaningful challenge to male authority.

1324
01:12:27,101 --> 01:12:30,581
Masculinity did not need branding
because it didn't need defense.

1325
01:12:30,581 --> 01:12:34,151
The first major shift comes
in the early 19th century.

1326
01:12:34,211 --> 01:12:38,051
This is when American masculinity
begins to move out of elite

1327
01:12:38,081 --> 01:12:40,511
restraint and into popular spectacle.

1328
01:12:40,601 --> 01:12:41,771
It becomes rougher.

1329
01:12:41,906 --> 01:12:45,056
Louder, more physical
and more performative.

1330
01:12:45,266 --> 01:12:48,776
Under figures like President Andrew
Jackson, political leadership becomes

1331
01:12:48,776 --> 01:12:53,246
associated with physical toughness,
with aggression, and a cultivated

1332
01:12:53,246 --> 01:12:56,156
image of the common man violence.

1333
01:12:56,186 --> 01:13:00,146
Whether it was dueling frontier
conquest or racial domination

1334
01:13:00,206 --> 01:13:02,606
becomes evidence of authenticity.

1335
01:13:02,636 --> 01:13:06,446
Political leadership starts
being measured not by restraint.

1336
01:13:06,501 --> 01:13:07,671
By aggression.

1337
01:13:07,761 --> 01:13:11,811
This is the moment when masculinity
begins to merge with nationalism,

1338
01:13:11,871 --> 01:13:15,801
not because men suddenly changed,
but because in a growing and unstable

1339
01:13:15,801 --> 01:13:18,501
democracy, power had to be performed.

1340
01:13:18,561 --> 01:13:21,921
The ideal American man is no
longer simply a patriarch.

1341
01:13:22,011 --> 01:13:26,841
He's a fighter, a conqueror, a symbol
of the nation's expansionist will.

1342
01:13:26,886 --> 01:13:31,746
The frontier becomes the proving ground
for manhood and brutality is reframed

1343
01:13:31,746 --> 01:13:36,306
as virtue when exercised in service
of white settlement and state power.

1344
01:13:36,336 --> 01:13:41,226
The frontier myth takes hold and created
the self-made man, the fighter, the

1345
01:13:41,226 --> 01:13:46,506
man who conquers land and the people
still masculinity wasn't yet in crisis.

1346
01:13:46,656 --> 01:13:49,206
It was expanding alongside a nation.

1347
01:13:49,296 --> 01:13:54,516
The real rupture came later when expansion
ended and the economic reality shifted.

1348
01:13:54,666 --> 01:13:59,346
By the late 19th century, something
breaks the foundations of traditional

1349
01:13:59,346 --> 01:14:01,236
male authorities start to erode.

1350
01:14:01,386 --> 01:14:05,166
Not because men are losing power
outright, but because the conditions

1351
01:14:05,166 --> 01:14:07,716
that once guaranteed it are disappearing.

1352
01:14:08,046 --> 01:14:11,616
Industrialization pulls men out
of physically demanding labor

1353
01:14:11,766 --> 01:14:13,506
and into factories and offices.

1354
01:14:13,536 --> 01:14:14,796
The frontier closes.

1355
01:14:14,916 --> 01:14:18,306
We'd won the West, we'd expanded
all the way to the Pacific Ocean.

1356
01:14:18,396 --> 01:14:21,066
There were no indigenous
people left to slaughter.

1357
01:14:21,156 --> 01:14:24,396
We had stolen all the land there was
to steal, at least on the continent.

1358
01:14:24,456 --> 01:14:26,946
Urbanization replaces agrarian in.

1359
01:14:27,516 --> 01:14:31,416
Women begin to appear, however,
tentatively in public and political

1360
01:14:31,416 --> 01:14:33,246
life, they go to work in factories.

1361
01:14:33,246 --> 01:14:36,126
They start earning wages,
they start going to college.

1362
01:14:36,216 --> 01:14:39,126
They start entering professions
like teaching and nursing.

1363
01:14:39,216 --> 01:14:40,296
Here's the important part.

1364
01:14:40,476 --> 01:14:44,736
Men are not losing power,
but they feel like they are.

1365
01:14:44,826 --> 01:14:48,191
There is a profound anxiety
that historians describe

1366
01:14:48,331 --> 01:14:50,286
as a fear of feminization.

1367
01:14:50,406 --> 01:14:54,366
Suddenly politicians and intellectuals
and other American elites begin to.

1368
01:14:54,816 --> 01:14:59,406
Openly worry that the nation is
becoming soft over civilized,

1369
01:14:59,496 --> 01:15:01,686
decadent, insufficiently masculine.

1370
01:15:01,776 --> 01:15:03,456
This anxiety is not abstract.

1371
01:15:03,546 --> 01:15:08,676
It's tied directly to class instability,
racial panic, and the unsettling reality.

1372
01:15:08,736 --> 01:15:11,856
That dominance requires work
in order to maintain it.

1373
01:15:11,976 --> 01:15:16,386
Masculinity becomes something that
must be cultivated, disciplined,

1374
01:15:16,416 --> 01:15:20,976
and defended, and the supposed lack
of it becomes a problem to solve.

1375
01:15:21,316 --> 01:15:24,376
This is the beginning of the
modern version of masculinity that

1376
01:15:24,376 --> 01:15:27,976
we see today, and here is where
Teddy Roosevelt enters the chat.

1377
01:15:28,066 --> 01:15:30,436
Roosevelt did not invent
masculine anxiety.

1378
01:15:30,556 --> 01:15:32,836
What he did was far more influential.

1379
01:15:32,956 --> 01:15:36,796
He nationalized it through
speeches, writing and policy.

1380
01:15:36,826 --> 01:15:38,731
He argued that masculinity wasn't just.

1381
01:15:39,086 --> 01:15:41,606
Personal, it was patriotic.

1382
01:15:41,696 --> 01:15:45,716
Strength was a civic duty
struggle was morally purifying.

1383
01:15:45,896 --> 01:15:50,786
Weakness was not just a threat to men,
but a threat to the nation itself.

1384
01:15:50,966 --> 01:15:55,766
Softness was a moral failure,
struggle, domination and war were

1385
01:15:55,766 --> 01:15:58,286
necessary to keep the nation strong.

1386
01:15:58,556 --> 01:16:01,526
Roosevelt's vision fused
masculinity with empire.

1387
01:16:02,176 --> 01:16:06,076
War conquest and domination
were framed as necessary,

1388
01:16:06,106 --> 01:16:08,266
correctives to softness and decay.

1389
01:16:08,536 --> 01:16:12,406
Masculinity became a moral
obligation tied directly to racial

1390
01:16:12,406 --> 01:16:14,596
hierarchy and imperial expansion.

1391
01:16:14,806 --> 01:16:18,766
Importantly, this masculinity
was narrowly defined.

1392
01:16:19,241 --> 01:16:22,751
It was white able-bodied,
disciplined, and aggressive.

1393
01:16:22,871 --> 01:16:25,001
Those who did not fit
within its boundaries.

1394
01:16:25,061 --> 01:16:29,201
Women, disabled men, immigrants,
and men of color, could be framed

1395
01:16:29,201 --> 01:16:32,771
as a threat to the nation, a
threat to its national strength.

1396
01:16:32,861 --> 01:16:36,701
This is the moment masculinity
stops being descriptive and becomes.

1397
01:16:37,156 --> 01:16:37,936
Prescriptive.

1398
01:16:38,056 --> 01:16:42,766
It's no longer about how men
are, it's about how men must be.

1399
01:16:42,916 --> 01:16:46,516
The 20th century temporarily
stabilizes this model through

1400
01:16:46,516 --> 01:16:47,956
war and economic growth.

1401
01:16:48,046 --> 01:16:53,116
World War I and World War ii reinforced
the idea of the masculine citizen soldier

1402
01:16:53,206 --> 01:16:57,586
while the post-war boom converts military
service into the breadwinner ideal.

1403
01:16:57,781 --> 01:17:02,941
Masculinity becomes defined by provision,
emotional restraint, and lifelong labor.

1404
01:17:03,001 --> 01:17:07,921
The nuclear family is presented as
the reward for masculine obedience.

1405
01:17:08,011 --> 01:17:12,451
Masculinity becomes conditional,
provide or fail, suppress emotion, or be

1406
01:17:12,451 --> 01:17:15,181
weak, work endlessly or be disposable.

1407
01:17:15,241 --> 01:17:17,341
And this model of masculinity works.

1408
01:17:17,421 --> 01:17:22,131
Briefly and only for some men,
but then pop culture steps in to

1409
01:17:22,131 --> 01:17:27,471
freeze this version of masculinity
in place to preserve it in amber.

1410
01:17:27,531 --> 01:17:33,381
In celluloid Western's war movies and
stoic male heroes present a simplified,

1411
01:17:33,561 --> 01:17:38,091
romanticized version of male authority,
one that appears timeless even as

1412
01:17:38,091 --> 01:17:40,016
its material foundations erode.

1413
01:17:40,576 --> 01:17:43,581
Interestingly, some of these
Hollywood depictions of masculinity

1414
01:17:43,581 --> 01:17:45,381
were actually kind of gay.

1415
01:17:45,636 --> 01:17:48,456
Watch my video on queer coding
for more information on that.

1416
01:17:48,606 --> 01:17:53,081
Here's a clip of a particularly famous
one, juah, we must believe in one another.

1417
01:17:54,936 --> 01:17:55,536
Do you drink to that?

1418
01:18:00,706 --> 01:18:01,556
With all my heart.

1419
01:18:11,481 --> 01:18:15,621
I mean, come on, the reality
changes, the myth does not.

1420
01:18:15,706 --> 01:18:19,726
By the late 20th century, the
provider model collapses wages,

1421
01:18:19,726 --> 01:18:21,886
stagnate manufacturing disappears.

1422
01:18:22,006 --> 01:18:23,836
Women gain economic independence.

1423
01:18:24,016 --> 01:18:27,946
The promises that once sustained
masculine identity no longer hold

1424
01:18:28,066 --> 01:18:31,906
when masculinity can no longer be
accessed through social structure,

1425
01:18:31,966 --> 01:18:34,216
it gets replaced with fantasy action.

1426
01:18:34,216 --> 01:18:37,636
Heroes, hyper violence
and exaggerated dominance.

1427
01:18:37,731 --> 01:18:42,891
Flood popular culture masculinity
becomes louder, more performative, and

1428
01:18:42,951 --> 01:18:45,441
increasingly detached from reality.

1429
01:18:45,591 --> 01:18:48,711
Men were presented with
a fantasy of control.

1430
01:18:48,861 --> 01:18:53,571
They can't be dominant in life, so
they're sold stories where dominance

1431
01:18:53,571 --> 01:18:55,491
is still possible, still achievable.

1432
01:18:55,521 --> 01:18:57,321
It's a compensatory performance.

1433
01:18:57,321 --> 01:19:00,141
Modern political masculinity
follows the same pattern.

1434
01:19:00,201 --> 01:19:02,541
Masculinity is framed
as being under attack.

1435
01:19:02,616 --> 01:19:06,276
Besieged by feminism,
multiculturalism, and social change.

1436
01:19:06,276 --> 01:19:08,406
Masculinity is under attack.

1437
01:19:08,586 --> 01:19:08,856
Guys.

1438
01:19:08,856 --> 01:19:12,816
Every year a new political agenda,
belief, doctrine, way of living,

1439
01:19:12,846 --> 01:19:16,986
eating, breathing, sleeping, or
thinking is coming to corrupt your mind.

1440
01:19:17,016 --> 01:19:18,726
Masculinity is toxic.

1441
01:19:18,756 --> 01:19:20,166
Everyone's a misogynist.

1442
01:19:20,226 --> 01:19:22,266
You guys think this is
happening by chance.

1443
01:19:22,326 --> 01:19:27,306
As men, you are only surefire away to not
only prevent this, but to save your soul

1444
01:19:27,306 --> 01:19:29,586
in the meantime and the ones you love.

1445
01:19:29,801 --> 01:19:32,561
It's to follow your mission
given to you by God.

1446
01:19:32,561 --> 01:19:36,671
And through doing this, not only
will you change your entire mindset,

1447
01:19:36,731 --> 01:19:39,821
which you'll be able to stand up
to corruption once and for all.

1448
01:19:39,911 --> 01:19:43,061
No more living a shadowed version
of yourself because you're afraid

1449
01:19:43,061 --> 01:19:46,481
of what people may think of you
on TikTok or a family gatherings.

1450
01:19:46,691 --> 01:19:47,861
It's time for you to grow up.

1451
01:19:47,951 --> 01:19:50,981
You're gonna die soon and amount
to very little in your life.

1452
01:19:51,011 --> 01:19:53,621
So again, I say masculinity
is under attack.

1453
01:19:53,666 --> 01:19:56,606
And the best way to combat
this is to follow Christ.

1454
01:19:56,606 --> 01:19:59,576
Grab your nut sack and give
the elites the middle finger.

1455
01:19:59,636 --> 01:20:03,656
Not out of hate, but because if you
don't preserve what we have, no one will

1456
01:20:03,716 --> 01:20:05,936
and we will all perish because of it.

1457
01:20:06,146 --> 01:20:08,696
Strength is not about
responsibility or leadership.

1458
01:20:08,816 --> 01:20:10,766
It's about grievance and entitlement.

1459
01:20:10,856 --> 01:20:12,146
The protector provider.

1460
01:20:12,571 --> 01:20:16,561
Persists not because it works, but
because abandoning it would require

1461
01:20:16,561 --> 01:20:19,621
confronting the systems that made
it necessary in the first place.

1462
01:20:19,681 --> 01:20:22,321
Here's the truth that
no one wants to accept.

1463
01:20:22,471 --> 01:20:26,461
American masculinity keeps
collapsing because it was never

1464
01:20:26,461 --> 01:20:28,201
designed to be sustainable.

1465
01:20:28,231 --> 01:20:32,521
It was designed to enforce hierarchy,
to justify domination, and to

1466
01:20:32,521 --> 01:20:34,981
stabilize systems of inequality.

1467
01:20:35,101 --> 01:20:37,051
It was designed to protect.

1468
01:20:37,291 --> 01:20:37,831
Power.

1469
01:20:37,991 --> 01:20:41,831
I think women who say that they
prefer a man who has a bad bod over a

1470
01:20:41,831 --> 01:20:44,891
muscular or shredded physique, they're
actually lying to themselves and they

1471
01:20:44,891 --> 01:20:45,911
don't even know that they're lying.

1472
01:20:45,941 --> 01:20:46,751
Oh, thank God.

1473
01:20:47,111 --> 01:20:52,451
Finally, for the very first time,
a man has appeared to tell women

1474
01:20:52,451 --> 01:20:54,101
what they're actually thinking.

1475
01:20:54,581 --> 01:20:58,031
Since these, these poor, poor
women just can't be trusted to

1476
01:20:58,031 --> 01:20:59,411
understand their own feelings.

1477
01:21:00,581 --> 01:21:01,121
Go on.

1478
01:21:01,181 --> 01:21:03,401
And the reason for this is they
have something called competition

1479
01:21:03,401 --> 01:21:06,971
anxiety, which tells them, Hey,
if I date or marry a man who has a

1480
01:21:06,971 --> 01:21:09,581
great physique, there's other women
that are gonna want them, right?

1481
01:21:09,581 --> 01:21:11,441
Or, and hear me out.

1482
01:21:11,561 --> 01:21:16,301
Maybe just, maybe different women
are attracted to different things.

1483
01:21:16,721 --> 01:21:17,621
Wild concept.

1484
01:21:17,621 --> 01:21:22,811
I know it's almost like women are
individual human beings with their own

1485
01:21:22,811 --> 01:21:28,661
preferences and not a hive mind all
controlled by the same biological program.

1486
01:21:28,691 --> 01:21:32,351
So hypergamy of course you
believe in hypergamy You know

1487
01:21:32,351 --> 01:21:33,371
what's fascinating to me?

1488
01:21:33,371 --> 01:21:39,191
Every single guy I've seen make this
argument looks exactly like you.

1489
01:21:40,181 --> 01:21:46,331
Sitting alone in their room making
videos about why women are lying about

1490
01:21:46,331 --> 01:21:48,191
what they really find attractive.

1491
01:21:48,191 --> 01:21:50,411
Maybe, maybe the common denominator here.

1492
01:21:51,041 --> 01:21:54,101
Isn't women's competition anxiety?

1493
01:21:54,191 --> 01:21:56,891
So naturally they're actually
attracted to men who have great

1494
01:21:56,891 --> 01:21:59,111
physiques, broad shoulder, chest plate.

1495
01:21:59,291 --> 01:22:01,361
They're lean, lower body
fat, higher muscle mass.

1496
01:22:01,361 --> 01:22:03,611
That signals that they have high
testosterone and they're gonna

1497
01:22:03,611 --> 01:22:06,101
be better than the man that the
dad bought for reproduction are.

1498
01:22:06,106 --> 01:22:09,941
Are you sure that's just not what you're
attracted to because you sound like

1499
01:22:09,941 --> 01:22:11,891
you're describing a livestock auction.

1500
01:22:12,386 --> 01:22:16,196
Which is probably pretty telling
about how you view relationships.

1501
01:22:16,256 --> 01:22:20,186
But here's the thing, if, if every
woman is naturally attracted to

1502
01:22:20,186 --> 01:22:24,806
the exact same body type, why are
there so many different types of

1503
01:22:24,806 --> 01:22:27,446
men in happy loving relationships?

1504
01:22:27,716 --> 01:22:30,926
I know this might blow your
mind, but turn off the podcast

1505
01:22:30,926 --> 01:22:32,816
for a second and go outside.

1506
01:22:33,311 --> 01:22:37,661
Look around, you'll see men of all
different body types, skinny guys,

1507
01:22:37,661 --> 01:22:42,126
dad, bobs, muscular guys, stocky guys,
all with partners who chose them.

1508
01:22:43,151 --> 01:22:46,931
Did all those women just not
get the memo about hyper gamy?

1509
01:22:47,141 --> 01:22:50,261
But because their competition anxiety
seeps in, they're gonna tell themselves

1510
01:22:50,261 --> 01:22:53,171
and other people, Hey, I don't wanna date
that guy, because it's gonna make them

1511
01:22:53,171 --> 01:22:54,221
anxious when they're in a relationship.

1512
01:22:54,221 --> 01:22:57,641
So to be clear, when a woman says
she's attracted to something,

1513
01:22:57,641 --> 01:22:59,231
she's lying to herself.

1514
01:22:59,591 --> 01:23:05,621
And when a woman says she's not attracted
to something, she's also lying to herself.

1515
01:23:06,221 --> 01:23:11,051
It's almost like no matter what women
say, you've decided you know better than

1516
01:23:11,051 --> 01:23:13,541
they do about their own preferences.

1517
01:23:14,081 --> 01:23:15,371
Here, here's a radical thought.

1518
01:23:15,581 --> 01:23:18,731
What if, and this is gonna blow your mind.

1519
01:23:18,731 --> 01:23:22,781
What if women are actually telling the
truth about what they find attractive?

1520
01:23:23,291 --> 01:23:27,461
What if some women
genuinely prefer dad bots?

1521
01:23:27,971 --> 01:23:29,951
What if some women are into Superfic?

1522
01:23:29,951 --> 01:23:30,221
Guys?

1523
01:23:30,221 --> 01:23:34,181
What if some women don't really care much
about physical appearance and are more

1524
01:23:34,181 --> 01:23:39,161
interested in, I don't know, personality,
sense of humor, emotional availability,

1525
01:23:39,431 --> 01:23:43,751
the ability to actually listen to them
and believe them instead of telling them

1526
01:23:43,751 --> 01:23:46,121
their lying about their own feelings.

1527
01:23:46,181 --> 01:23:50,171
The funniest part to me, at least of all
of this, is that you're so confident.

1528
01:23:50,876 --> 01:23:54,356
You're standing there speaking with the
authority of someone who's conducted

1529
01:23:54,476 --> 01:23:58,616
years of peer reviewed research, when
really you're just a guy who can't

1530
01:23:58,616 --> 01:24:04,376
accept the, maybe just maybe you're
not every woman's type, and instead

1531
01:24:04,376 --> 01:24:08,516
of dealing with that reality, you've
convinced yourself that every woman

1532
01:24:08,516 --> 01:24:10,151
who says otherwise is, is lying.

1533
01:24:11,846 --> 01:24:13,106
That's not science, bud.

1534
01:24:13,106 --> 01:24:14,666
That's, that's what we call COVID.

1535
01:24:14,666 --> 01:24:20,726
If only she knew what I know about
what she actually feels, that's just

1536
01:24:20,936 --> 01:24:23,186
an excuse to not work on yourself.

1537
01:24:23,936 --> 01:24:25,196
Women aren't a monolith.

1538
01:24:25,826 --> 01:24:29,126
They have different tastes, different
preferences, different priorities,

1539
01:24:29,126 --> 01:24:34,076
and when they tell you what they're
attracted to may be, try believing

1540
01:24:34,076 --> 01:24:38,876
them instead of telling them they're
wrong about their own feelings.

1541
01:24:39,596 --> 01:24:43,646
Look, I, I'm, I'm just a guy who's
about to celebrate his 16th wedding

1542
01:24:43,646 --> 01:24:48,836
anniversary with a wife who loves him
and children who adore him, who also had

1543
01:24:48,836 --> 01:24:53,426
a fantastic dating life before getting
married, despite only achieving what

1544
01:24:53,426 --> 01:24:56,696
could generously be called a dad bod.

1545
01:24:56,726 --> 01:24:59,846
At my peak of fitness, what would I know?

1546
01:25:00,536 --> 01:25:04,826
Maybe it's in part because I actually
believe women when they talk,

1547
01:25:07,896 --> 01:25:10,686
now entering Section B pipeline to hell.

1548
01:25:10,937 --> 01:25:13,457
I wanna start by showing you to a video.

1549
01:25:13,517 --> 01:25:19,037
This is filmed by a legal observer who
is, uh, recording themselves speaking

1550
01:25:19,037 --> 01:25:23,267
to an ice agent who's sitting in his
car and, uh, and threatening him.

1551
01:25:23,567 --> 01:25:25,127
I will tell you this brother, what?

1552
01:25:25,127 --> 01:25:26,837
You know, I will tell you this.

1553
01:25:27,317 --> 01:25:27,487
Do what he wants.

1554
01:25:27,487 --> 01:25:28,397
You raise your voice.

1555
01:25:28,817 --> 01:25:29,657
I raise your voice.

1556
01:25:30,332 --> 01:25:32,732
If I raise my voice, you'll
erase my You erase, exactly.

1557
01:25:32,732 --> 01:25:33,062
Yeah.

1558
01:25:33,307 --> 01:25:33,597
Yeah.

1559
01:25:33,842 --> 01:25:34,532
Are you serious?

1560
01:25:34,532 --> 01:25:34,592
Yeah.

1561
01:25:34,622 --> 01:25:37,652
You said if I raise my
voice, you'll erase my voice.

1562
01:25:37,652 --> 01:25:37,742
Yes.

1563
01:25:37,832 --> 01:25:38,642
Mm-hmm.

1564
01:25:38,643 --> 01:25:38,653
Mm-hmm.

1565
01:25:38,867 --> 01:25:42,422
That, that probably sounded
a lot cooler in in his head.

1566
01:25:42,482 --> 01:25:42,572
Yeah.

1567
01:25:43,097 --> 01:25:46,592
If you raise your voice,
I'll erase your voice.

1568
01:25:46,862 --> 01:25:50,222
That feels like it's taken like
straight off of like an incel forum.

1569
01:25:50,282 --> 01:25:51,152
It's John Wick.

1570
01:25:51,242 --> 01:25:54,902
John Wick is the ultimate,
uh, Sigma Grind set figure.

1571
01:25:54,992 --> 01:25:57,362
Yeah, I saw that video.

1572
01:25:57,362 --> 01:25:59,972
It's so emblematic of
what we're talking about.

1573
01:26:00,302 --> 01:26:05,852
That guy who is an ICE agent and is
hiding behind, you know, this perceived

1574
01:26:05,852 --> 01:26:13,052
power of the federal government and after
ICE has been executing, uh, Americans

1575
01:26:13,052 --> 01:26:18,032
in the streets in broad daylight,
having still the, uh, audacity, still

1576
01:26:18,032 --> 01:26:23,252
believing that he will be protected in
threatening so openly like that, and

1577
01:26:23,252 --> 01:26:24,992
the guy was responding to him and going.

1578
01:26:25,387 --> 01:26:28,597
Okay, so you're telling me if I raise my
voice, you're gonna raise my voice, you're

1579
01:26:28,597 --> 01:26:32,017
gonna do violence to me for protesting?

1580
01:26:32,017 --> 01:26:33,397
Like, that's just to clarify.

1581
01:26:33,397 --> 01:26:35,017
He's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, bro.

1582
01:26:35,137 --> 01:26:36,547
Yeah, it's like that.

1583
01:26:36,697 --> 01:26:37,657
I just did that.

1584
01:26:38,977 --> 01:26:43,237
It's very like get, it's like
chest puffed up, hyper macho.

1585
01:26:43,507 --> 01:26:43,717
Yeah.

1586
01:26:43,717 --> 01:26:44,827
What are you gonna do about it?

1587
01:26:45,052 --> 01:26:50,047
One, one thing I've always observed
about the core figures, like the core,

1588
01:26:50,077 --> 01:26:53,437
I wanna call 'em victims for the moment,
just for the moment of the red pill,

1589
01:26:53,437 --> 01:26:55,057
because they're usually the bottom rung.

1590
01:26:55,147 --> 01:26:57,457
The bottom rung, red pill figures.

1591
01:26:58,187 --> 01:27:00,077
Ironically are the biggest losers.

1592
01:27:00,167 --> 01:27:01,817
They're like incredibly bad.

1593
01:27:01,937 --> 01:27:06,167
And even to an extent, they
also are usually the most

1594
01:27:06,257 --> 01:27:07,667
socially ineffective there.

1595
01:27:07,697 --> 01:27:12,587
There's a, a high, uh, prevalence of
both self-diagnosed and fully diagnosed,

1596
01:27:12,617 --> 01:27:16,247
neurodivergence, another behavioral
health issue, so on and so forth.

1597
01:27:16,577 --> 01:27:20,927
And one thing that you'll find when
engaging and studying them is a lot

1598
01:27:20,927 --> 01:27:23,987
of what they're doing, which I think
this guy is doing, is imitating

1599
01:27:23,987 --> 01:27:27,407
what they think the alpha males do.

1600
01:27:27,437 --> 01:27:27,527
Mm-hmm.

1601
01:27:28,217 --> 01:27:31,937
Under certain circumstances, which is
why it sounded so stilted and unnatural.

1602
01:27:32,027 --> 01:27:32,417
Right?

1603
01:27:32,417 --> 01:27:34,307
Like, he didn't know if
he had pulled the line.

1604
01:27:34,312 --> 01:27:36,797
Like, like he's like, like he
wanted to get another take at it.

1605
01:27:36,797 --> 01:27:37,397
He said, yeah.

1606
01:27:37,757 --> 01:27:38,987
He was like, that was the rehearsal.

1607
01:27:38,987 --> 01:27:39,797
Can we run it back?

1608
01:27:39,797 --> 01:27:40,397
Can we run it back?

1609
01:27:40,397 --> 01:27:41,537
Like, I really wanna threaten you.

1610
01:27:42,017 --> 01:27:42,857
That sounded cooler.

1611
01:27:42,857 --> 01:27:43,847
Can I just get that back?

1612
01:27:44,177 --> 01:27:48,467
And so like, it's, so much of that is
in their behavior, in their movement.

1613
01:27:48,767 --> 01:27:51,557
You know, if we, I don't know if we
wanna jump to Alex Prety just yet.

1614
01:27:51,647 --> 01:27:52,397
No, go for it.

1615
01:27:52,397 --> 01:27:52,757
Go for it.

1616
01:27:52,817 --> 01:27:57,292
But like, if you watch, if you, you
know, dare to watch the full events.

1617
01:27:58,022 --> 01:28:00,722
It's so clear that half of these
men don't even know if they've

1618
01:28:00,722 --> 01:28:01,982
ever been in a fight before.

1619
01:28:02,012 --> 01:28:03,542
Mm. You know what I'm saying?

1620
01:28:03,632 --> 01:28:06,662
Let alone had like halfway
decent law enforcement training.

1621
01:28:06,662 --> 01:28:10,322
And we know from looking at the,
the information coming out about ICE

1622
01:28:10,322 --> 01:28:12,812
that a lot of 'em don't, a lot of
'em don't have a lot of training.

1623
01:28:12,812 --> 01:28:16,592
A lot of 'em don't have actual
experience with law enforcement

1624
01:28:16,592 --> 01:28:17,577
or military, et cetera.

1625
01:28:17,612 --> 01:28:23,312
They're just getting guys that want to
act out their, their fantasies fantasy.

1626
01:28:23,372 --> 01:28:25,742
Um, and we see the result of that.

1627
01:28:25,832 --> 01:28:30,962
I think too, this kind of recognizing that
they can't cut it in any of those other

1628
01:28:31,052 --> 01:28:34,532
law enforcement groups, you know, they're,
they're not signing up for the military.

1629
01:28:34,532 --> 01:28:39,152
It's like ice is now their,
their ticket to that.

1630
01:28:39,272 --> 01:28:39,392
Yeah.

1631
01:28:39,662 --> 01:28:42,482
The, the low standards, and I, I
just do want to throw out there,

1632
01:28:42,482 --> 01:28:44,042
you mentioned Elliot Rodger Mm-hmm.

1633
01:28:44,072 --> 01:28:48,392
He's not the only one, but numerous spree
shooters and like these types of guys

1634
01:28:48,692 --> 01:28:52,592
actually do attempt to join the military
and the armed forces as a form of.

1635
01:28:53,057 --> 01:28:54,287
Masculine reclamation.

1636
01:28:54,317 --> 01:28:56,807
'cause they may be a loser on
these that and the third, you

1637
01:28:56,807 --> 01:28:58,097
know, in their previous life.

1638
01:28:58,097 --> 01:29:00,257
But if they can make it to the
military, they really, you really

1639
01:29:00,257 --> 01:29:03,647
can't take masculinity away from,
you know, a soldier so to speak.

1640
01:29:03,647 --> 01:29:04,877
It's too traditional of a role.

1641
01:29:04,997 --> 01:29:05,297
Mm-hmm.

1642
01:29:05,867 --> 01:29:11,087
So let's take it back to Elliot Rodger
and incel culture more broadly, uh,

1643
01:29:11,087 --> 01:29:17,387
in the early 20 2010s, because I think
that this is the formerly like niche.

1644
01:29:17,672 --> 01:29:22,952
Far right violently misogynistic culture
that ends up getting co-opted that the

1645
01:29:22,952 --> 01:29:26,432
sentiment behind it ends up getting
co-opted by the MAGA movement and

1646
01:29:26,432 --> 01:29:32,882
by Donald Trump himself, and sort of
exploited to put these like disgruntled

1647
01:29:33,182 --> 01:29:36,842
young men and sometimes not so young
men, uh, into these positions where

1648
01:29:37,052 --> 01:29:39,662
they have guns in, they're terrorizing
the streets as a form of what you

1649
01:29:39,662 --> 01:29:41,732
say, uh, masculine reclamation.

1650
01:29:41,972 --> 01:29:46,232
So incel online really takes
off in the early 2010s.

1651
01:29:46,532 --> 01:29:51,512
You can see in, uh, Google search
results that the, the word incel, it

1652
01:29:51,512 --> 01:29:56,852
skyrockets in popularity around 2010
incel communities really take shape on

1653
01:29:56,852 --> 01:30:01,832
places like Reddit and four chan, where
you have a lot of just like young men and

1654
01:30:01,832 --> 01:30:05,942
boys kind of just like complaining to one
another about how they can't get laid.

1655
01:30:06,182 --> 01:30:07,802
And then it becomes this sort of.

1656
01:30:08,212 --> 01:30:09,232
Pathology.

1657
01:30:09,262 --> 01:30:10,462
Well, why can't we get laid?

1658
01:30:10,462 --> 01:30:14,572
Well, there's a, we are, we're
genetically predisposed to never have

1659
01:30:14,572 --> 01:30:19,432
a girlfriend because of the thinness of
our wrists or the slope of our foreheads.

1660
01:30:19,732 --> 01:30:23,482
It becomes, uh, you know, very
race sciency very quickly.

1661
01:30:23,662 --> 01:30:28,312
Some of the main pillars of
incel ideology and these.

1662
01:30:28,727 --> 01:30:33,317
Courtesy of a Zero Tolerance uk,
uh, are that men are the real

1663
01:30:33,317 --> 01:30:35,087
victims of gender inequality.

1664
01:30:35,357 --> 01:30:39,137
That women lie about their own
oppression and use feminism as a means of

1665
01:30:39,137 --> 01:30:42,467
dominating men, some might say, ing them.

1666
01:30:43,097 --> 01:30:46,037
Uh, I hate when I use, like, I
hate when I use like incel words,

1667
01:30:46,037 --> 01:30:50,477
like unironically, like it, it just
makes me feel so lame, so gross.

1668
01:30:50,477 --> 01:30:54,347
I imagine, imagine a Master's
thesis where you just write kuck.

1669
01:30:55,802 --> 01:30:58,067
Was was the word kuck
in your master's thesis?

1670
01:30:58,457 --> 01:30:59,267
Yes, it was.

1671
01:30:59,267 --> 01:30:59,567
Yes.

1672
01:30:59,567 --> 01:31:01,637
It was all kinds of horrible
words right in there.

1673
01:31:02,807 --> 01:31:04,697
Stacey's and Chad and all that.

1674
01:31:04,847 --> 01:31:06,677
Stacey's and Chads and
Becky's, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1675
01:31:07,157 --> 01:31:11,447
In order to prove this assertion that
like men are the real victims of gender

1676
01:31:11,447 --> 01:31:16,247
inequality in cells will focus a lot on
things like false rape allegations, which

1677
01:31:16,247 --> 01:31:20,687
we know are extraordinarily rare, but
they will sort of use them to discredit

1678
01:31:20,687 --> 01:31:22,337
all allegations of gender violence.

1679
01:31:22,397 --> 01:31:25,517
Uh, they believe that
women are naturally evil.

1680
01:31:26,087 --> 01:31:28,397
That women manipulate men to get ahead?

1681
01:31:28,667 --> 01:31:28,757
Well,

1682
01:31:32,177 --> 01:31:37,187
Caroline, as the woman here, they,
they believe also, and I think

1683
01:31:37,187 --> 01:31:41,027
this is important, that women are
biologically hardwired to want

1684
01:31:41,027 --> 01:31:44,327
to be sexualized and dominated by
men, even if they don't know it.

1685
01:31:44,417 --> 01:31:49,162
Uh, and therefore any male violence
against women is justified because it's.

1686
01:31:49,892 --> 01:31:51,512
Secretly, it's what they really want.

1687
01:31:51,512 --> 01:31:52,382
It's what they really want.

1688
01:31:52,617 --> 01:31:54,032
'cause, 'cause 50 shades of gray.

1689
01:31:54,092 --> 01:31:54,932
Hmm.

1690
01:31:54,992 --> 01:31:58,592
Which also was very hot at, at the,
as things, these things pop off.

1691
01:31:58,712 --> 01:32:01,712
I think it's also this convergence
of all these different groups.

1692
01:32:01,712 --> 01:32:04,742
So in the early two thousands
you had, uh, pickup artists.

1693
01:32:04,772 --> 01:32:05,012
Yeah.

1694
01:32:05,162 --> 01:32:06,692
Pickup artists were so huge.

1695
01:32:06,692 --> 01:32:09,272
You even had shows on like
MTV and whatnot, and you

1696
01:32:09,272 --> 01:32:10,712
have men's rights activists.

1697
01:32:11,102 --> 01:32:13,682
You have the black
pillars, the red pillars.

1698
01:32:13,682 --> 01:32:18,812
So these are all, they, they have
their differences, but ultimately

1699
01:32:18,842 --> 01:32:25,412
are rooted so deeply in misogyny and
in this belief that men are entitled

1700
01:32:25,412 --> 01:32:29,462
in this world and what they are
entitled to is being denied to them.

1701
01:32:29,852 --> 01:32:33,062
And that there is a, you
know, a long history here.

1702
01:32:33,062 --> 01:32:35,042
When we talk about the crisis
of masculinity, I'm like,

1703
01:32:35,042 --> 01:32:36,692
these men are always in crisis.

1704
01:32:36,872 --> 01:32:39,662
There is always some crisis of
masculinity that's happening.

1705
01:32:39,902 --> 01:32:43,172
It just looks different
depending on what era we're in.

1706
01:32:43,172 --> 01:32:45,697
And in the past there's
been a way for them to like.

1707
01:32:46,292 --> 01:32:48,152
Address that, oh, we'll go to war.

1708
01:32:48,152 --> 01:32:50,072
We'll just chop off other men's heads.

1709
01:32:50,132 --> 01:32:55,232
Oh, we have the notions of now chivalry
and kind of in the enlightenment era

1710
01:32:55,562 --> 01:33:00,302
and then that moving into kind of the
western ideals of men being breadwinners.

1711
01:33:00,302 --> 01:33:04,412
Now men, they go to work, they make
money, they come home, they take care

1712
01:33:04,412 --> 01:33:06,632
of the family, they earn that bread.

1713
01:33:06,902 --> 01:33:12,212
And as these men's, and, and I keep
wanting to say like it is not just

1714
01:33:12,212 --> 01:33:16,262
these men, it is just the way that
they are societally and culturally

1715
01:33:16,322 --> 01:33:20,072
raised to believe that they are
supposed to have certain things.

1716
01:33:20,072 --> 01:33:24,122
They are supposed to be a certain way
as men, but as their material conditions

1717
01:33:24,122 --> 01:33:28,292
have deteriorated as these, you know,
as capitalism and these other really

1718
01:33:28,292 --> 01:33:34,472
oppressive systems have disenfranchised
them, there is this desperation and

1719
01:33:34,532 --> 01:33:37,292
that's what's been honed in on by.

1720
01:33:37,627 --> 01:33:42,517
A lot of these, these grifters,
these reactionaries, these male,

1721
01:33:42,577 --> 01:33:44,527
uh, you know, male supremacists.

1722
01:33:44,527 --> 01:33:47,857
So it's something that's been
happening for a while, but like

1723
01:33:47,857 --> 01:33:54,667
in cell culture, it's just a, an
evolution of these previous eras.

1724
01:33:54,717 --> 01:33:58,427
most of you, have probably witnessed a
conversation like this before because

1725
01:33:58,427 --> 01:34:01,517
you've probably been in enough male
spaces to know that there's always

1726
01:34:01,517 --> 01:34:07,157
at least one guy that is trying not
to come in his pants at the idea of

1727
01:34:07,157 --> 01:34:09,317
having the right to kill someone.

1728
01:34:09,347 --> 01:34:11,387
Maybe he owns guns, maybe he doesn't.

1729
01:34:11,657 --> 01:34:12,707
But he will soon.

1730
01:34:12,737 --> 01:34:18,467
Maybe he wants to defend his unborn future
child, or their sister, or his wife or

1731
01:34:18,467 --> 01:34:20,207
girlfriend that he doesn't actually have.

1732
01:34:20,537 --> 01:34:24,917
There's a lot of these corny, awful
pictures of like dads holding guns

1733
01:34:24,917 --> 01:34:26,537
up to their daughter's prime dates.

1734
01:34:27,152 --> 01:34:31,172
This is a thing in how boys and men
are socialized in this country, and

1735
01:34:31,172 --> 01:34:35,462
it's probably why Renée Good and tons
of other unarmed, innocent people

1736
01:34:35,462 --> 01:34:36,992
have lost their lives in this country.

1737
01:34:37,172 --> 01:34:41,252
I won't go as far as to say that everyone
who ends up in the military or police

1738
01:34:41,252 --> 01:34:45,602
force or ice has this exact type of
energy, but I will die on the hill.

1739
01:34:45,602 --> 01:34:49,922
That these are usually the types of
people that do go into these fields and

1740
01:34:49,922 --> 01:34:54,242
they often have the most heinous records
in terms of overreach and violence and.

1741
01:34:54,367 --> 01:34:56,167
Outright killing of unarmed people.

1742
01:34:56,257 --> 01:34:59,347
It doesn't take much effort to look
through America's long history of

1743
01:34:59,347 --> 01:35:03,847
police brutality, to find examples,
literally on tape of these types

1744
01:35:03,847 --> 01:35:06,367
of guys just looking for an excuse.

1745
01:35:06,517 --> 01:35:08,557
Some of them outright will say it.

1746
01:35:08,647 --> 01:35:10,267
So what's at the root of this?

1747
01:35:10,267 --> 01:35:12,457
Why is this a thing in society?

1748
01:35:12,757 --> 01:35:15,637
I think the answer's pretty
straightforward and it deals with men's.

1749
01:35:15,697 --> 01:35:17,857
Socialized relationship with violence.

1750
01:35:17,917 --> 01:35:21,607
Boys are raised to have a very paradoxical
relationship with violence on one end.

1751
01:35:21,817 --> 01:35:25,927
It's instilled in boys very early on
that they need to be capable of exerting

1752
01:35:26,167 --> 01:35:28,417
and absorbing physical violence.

1753
01:35:28,417 --> 01:35:32,437
In that without said capability, there
will never be a real man because this

1754
01:35:32,437 --> 01:35:36,937
is usually where they be begin to learn
to disregard bodily autonomy, both their

1755
01:35:36,937 --> 01:35:41,377
own, but also the autonomy of others,
because bodily autonomy for young boys

1756
01:35:41,377 --> 01:35:42,937
is something that you have to earn.

1757
01:35:43,197 --> 01:35:46,767
Through your capacity to exert and
withstand violence, your capacity

1758
01:35:46,947 --> 01:35:50,577
to enforce your own autonomy, and
in that same breath, you are also

1759
01:35:50,577 --> 01:35:54,537
expected to test the autonomy of
others in order to make sure that

1760
01:35:54,537 --> 01:35:56,877
they're on the same grade as you are.

1761
01:35:56,937 --> 01:36:00,927
And this is done through informal body
rituals with little boys, whether it

1762
01:36:00,927 --> 01:36:04,497
be something as benign as flicking
someone in the ear, or as heinous

1763
01:36:04,497 --> 01:36:05,967
as the many stories of bullying.

1764
01:36:06,052 --> 01:36:10,072
Or hazing that you might hear in a sports
locker room in middle or high school,

1765
01:36:10,222 --> 01:36:14,272
and that's where the paradox sets in
because you're pretty explicitly told to

1766
01:36:14,272 --> 01:36:18,502
be capable of violence, but there's also
a lot of conflicting rules around it.

1767
01:36:18,772 --> 01:36:22,222
Don't be a bully unless it
serves a greater purpose or

1768
01:36:22,222 --> 01:36:23,812
someone is asking for it.

1769
01:36:24,052 --> 01:36:27,652
Don't hit women, but also don't
let anyone emasculate you.

1770
01:36:27,652 --> 01:36:31,732
And if they do, then it's your
responsibility to reaffirm your

1771
01:36:31,732 --> 01:36:35,392
masculinity with violence if
necessary, regardless of who does it.

1772
01:36:35,752 --> 01:36:38,662
Use your strength to protect
and support others, but that

1773
01:36:38,662 --> 01:36:40,132
also means you're in charge.

1774
01:36:40,132 --> 01:36:42,772
And if people don't respect the
fact that you're in charge, they're

1775
01:36:42,772 --> 01:36:45,952
emasculating you, which means
you might have to reaffirm that

1776
01:36:45,952 --> 01:36:47,332
masculinity through violence.

1777
01:36:47,482 --> 01:36:50,362
You see how this is a very
confusing and ugly thing that

1778
01:36:50,362 --> 01:36:51,502
a lot of men are dealing with.

1779
01:36:51,592 --> 01:36:53,662
However, at the end of
the day, I wanna be clear.

1780
01:36:53,992 --> 01:36:55,312
Most men.

1781
01:36:55,372 --> 01:36:59,512
Most men, the vast majority,
even the worst of us, don't

1782
01:36:59,512 --> 01:37:01,282
aspire to be violent psychopaths.

1783
01:37:01,282 --> 01:37:05,542
Most men engage with this complex
relationship with violence without

1784
01:37:05,542 --> 01:37:09,412
actually committing acts of violence
on other people for whatever reason.

1785
01:37:09,532 --> 01:37:11,362
And then some join Ice.

1786
01:37:11,452 --> 01:37:14,182
Herschel Walker, I remember vividly,
if you don't know, Herschel Walker

1787
01:37:14,182 --> 01:37:16,942
is one of the greatest football
players of all time, right?

1788
01:37:17,152 --> 01:37:20,752
But he said himself that he almost didn't
go to college because he wanted to join

1789
01:37:20,752 --> 01:37:22,732
the Army 'cause he wanted to kill people.

1790
01:37:23,022 --> 01:37:26,502
This is a real story and he
is not alone in that regard.

1791
01:37:26,802 --> 01:37:29,772
Some of you don't hear these
conversations, but if you go into

1792
01:37:29,772 --> 01:37:33,672
enough men's spaces with some of these
dudes, they will let the mask slip.

1793
01:37:33,702 --> 01:37:37,182
They will tell you, and that
brings you back to the film Nobody.

1794
01:37:37,572 --> 01:37:40,902
What's interesting about nobody is
that it's one of the few films that.

1795
01:37:41,067 --> 01:37:44,817
Honest about this relationship
with violence, about the movie's

1796
01:37:44,817 --> 01:37:46,017
relationship with violence.

1797
01:37:46,197 --> 01:37:50,337
When you look at a lot of the, I called
them Sigma Male action stars made a video

1798
01:37:50,337 --> 01:37:54,147
about a little while back because at the
turn of the millennium you saw a like

1799
01:37:54,147 --> 01:37:58,437
very distinct change in the way idealized
masculinity was presented to Americans.

1800
01:37:58,617 --> 01:38:00,992
It used to be Arnold
Schwarzenegger, Sylvester Stallone.

1801
01:38:01,657 --> 01:38:04,207
You know, uh, rock Jean Claude Van Damm.

1802
01:38:04,207 --> 01:38:05,527
I was about to call him Rob Van Damm.

1803
01:38:05,527 --> 01:38:06,037
Shout out.

1804
01:38:06,277 --> 01:38:06,787
Shout out.

1805
01:38:06,877 --> 01:38:07,237
Right.

1806
01:38:07,447 --> 01:38:11,647
Anyway, alpha male, idealized images
of masculinity used to be these big

1807
01:38:11,647 --> 01:38:17,587
muscular over the top figures, and
with like the Matrix and Jason Bourne

1808
01:38:17,587 --> 01:38:19,897
and eventually John onto John Wick.

1809
01:38:19,897 --> 01:38:23,137
Now, that changed into
more of like an every man.

1810
01:38:23,662 --> 01:38:28,162
Low key, neurodivergent coded
figure of these people that they

1811
01:38:28,162 --> 01:38:29,992
weren't necessarily less masculine.

1812
01:38:29,992 --> 01:38:33,652
It's just that the idealized
masculinity was now this stoic,

1813
01:38:33,982 --> 01:38:39,982
almost like sociopathic figure that
was able to effectively operate

1814
01:38:39,982 --> 01:38:45,142
in this violent world while also
staying very subdued and very calm.

1815
01:38:45,292 --> 01:38:49,342
There were no more one-liners, no
more sweat, no more dirt and muscles.

1816
01:38:49,342 --> 01:38:50,362
It was just badass.

1817
01:38:51,167 --> 01:38:54,917
Sigma Wolf action males put the,
put the music behind it, right?

1818
01:38:55,097 --> 01:38:56,237
You know what I'm talking about?

1819
01:38:59,177 --> 01:39:02,657
However, nobody has some of those
features, but it's actually just

1820
01:39:02,657 --> 01:39:06,917
more honest it star, a very normal
guy who happened to, used to be

1821
01:39:06,917 --> 01:39:10,577
a contract killer or enforce of
some type for the US government.

1822
01:39:10,652 --> 01:39:14,552
And he has traded that life for the
trappings of what normative, patriarchal

1823
01:39:14,552 --> 01:39:18,872
masculinity says is supposed to
satisfy a man, namely a wife and the

1824
01:39:18,872 --> 01:39:20,642
kids, and a house in the suburbs.

1825
01:39:20,882 --> 01:39:24,692
However, the movie puts in a lot
of energy to situate those things

1826
01:39:24,692 --> 01:39:29,252
as unfulfilling and even demeaning
when Bob suffers a home invasion.

1827
01:39:29,252 --> 01:39:32,732
This Bob Odenkirk, by the way, and
in the movie his name is Hutch.

1828
01:39:32,942 --> 01:39:35,102
Bob Oden Kirk, you know,
from Better Call Saul.

1829
01:39:35,222 --> 01:39:36,002
I never watched that.

1830
01:39:36,002 --> 01:39:36,662
I probably should watch that.

1831
01:39:36,662 --> 01:39:37,292
I heard us pretty good.

1832
01:39:37,292 --> 01:39:38,282
I need some new shit to watch.

1833
01:39:38,312 --> 01:39:40,952
We'll put some new shit I should
watch in the comment section.

1834
01:39:41,132 --> 01:39:44,312
But then his house gets burglarized
and he decides even though he really

1835
01:39:44,312 --> 01:39:47,882
could have very easily killed these
two burglars to let them go, and

1836
01:39:47,882 --> 01:39:52,442
everyone, including his own son and his
brother-in-law and everybody in his life

1837
01:39:52,442 --> 01:39:57,572
demeans him and emanates him for the fact
that he had the chance to kill someone

1838
01:39:57,722 --> 01:39:59,582
with a righteous kill type situation.

1839
01:40:00,237 --> 01:40:00,867
And he doesn't.

1840
01:40:00,897 --> 01:40:04,767
He suffers this silently until he
realizes that somebody actually

1841
01:40:04,767 --> 01:40:08,607
stole something from his youngest
daughter and then he goes on a

1842
01:40:08,607 --> 01:40:10,437
trek to find that particular thing.

1843
01:40:10,767 --> 01:40:14,847
Highs and intrigue ensues is very much
worth the watch if you're an action fan.

1844
01:40:14,877 --> 01:40:18,267
But what's interesting from the film
is Howard made to recognize how much

1845
01:40:18,267 --> 01:40:23,967
happier Oden Kirk's character Hutch is now
that he has reignited his relationship.

1846
01:40:24,247 --> 01:40:25,087
With violence.

1847
01:40:25,087 --> 01:40:27,187
It's almost a love story in that way.

1848
01:40:27,397 --> 01:40:30,997
It's like Mr. And Mrs. Smith, except
Mrs. Smith is violence itself.

1849
01:40:31,237 --> 01:40:33,577
And again, it's a fun, ridiculous film.

1850
01:40:33,577 --> 01:40:36,037
I never watched a sequel, but
I figured it's just as good.

1851
01:40:36,427 --> 01:40:39,247
But I found the underlying
themes telling about how we

1852
01:40:39,247 --> 01:40:41,287
imagine and even idealize men.

1853
01:40:41,782 --> 01:40:47,512
In your John Wicks, it's obvious as a
movie watcher that violence is cool.

1854
01:40:47,632 --> 01:40:50,782
The assassin underworld is
cool, but Wick as a character

1855
01:40:50,782 --> 01:40:52,702
is above the violence itself.

1856
01:40:52,702 --> 01:40:56,182
95% of the time, he doesn't
seem like he's having fun.

1857
01:40:56,182 --> 01:41:02,212
This is all just reflexive to him, but
in nobody, it's very clear that Oden

1858
01:41:02,212 --> 01:41:04,417
Kirk's character loves what he's doing.

1859
01:41:05,092 --> 01:41:07,822
He loves that he finally
has an excuse to let loose.

1860
01:41:07,972 --> 01:41:09,592
The violence is more brutal.

1861
01:41:09,652 --> 01:41:13,852
Instead of sleek nightclubs and Asian
corporate buildings, they're fighting

1862
01:41:13,852 --> 01:41:18,022
in like abandoned factories and car
shops and shit, and like public buses.

1863
01:41:18,082 --> 01:41:22,342
And because of this, while nobody is
successful, I wonder if it's less popular

1864
01:41:22,342 --> 01:41:24,262
because it's more honest about what.

1865
01:41:24,627 --> 01:41:29,547
Violent fantasy really is and really
looks like to the people watching it.

1866
01:41:29,877 --> 01:41:33,597
These folks that join ICE or
the military or the police will

1867
01:41:33,597 --> 01:41:37,077
tell you it's about a code or a
country or brotherhood or whatever.

1868
01:41:37,197 --> 01:41:40,287
And I'll give Grace to say
that to maybe a few of them.

1869
01:41:40,287 --> 01:41:44,427
That's true, but for others
of them, it's just power.

1870
01:41:44,827 --> 01:41:48,277
It's just the excuse to be rabbit
dogs who probably would've been

1871
01:41:48,277 --> 01:41:50,257
put down in some other context.

1872
01:41:50,377 --> 01:41:53,647
That's who we're dealing with right now
and who we've been dealing with forever

1873
01:41:53,647 --> 01:41:55,057
when it comes to the teeth of the state

1874
01:41:55,157 --> 01:41:59,207
the older I get, the more lessons I
learn from my time in combat sports

1875
01:41:59,417 --> 01:42:00,887
in any number of different directions.

1876
01:42:00,887 --> 01:42:02,207
But in this particular case.

1877
01:42:02,862 --> 01:42:05,052
Listen, there's plenty of
very tough right wing men.

1878
01:42:05,082 --> 01:42:08,652
This is not an argument about the
totality of them, but just to understand

1879
01:42:08,652 --> 01:42:11,052
something, there is a certain, and
I've learned this from combat sports,

1880
01:42:11,382 --> 01:42:16,602
there's a certain kind of right wing guy
that is deeply insecure, deeply weird.

1881
01:42:17,867 --> 01:42:24,167
Uh, very much a cos player in terms
of who they present themselves to, the

1882
01:42:24,167 --> 01:42:26,417
public versus who they actually are.

1883
01:42:26,657 --> 01:42:31,307
And they really love getting behind
who they perceive to be strong and

1884
01:42:31,307 --> 01:42:33,497
whether or not they actually are
as a different matter, but the ones

1885
01:42:33,497 --> 01:42:34,907
who they perceive to be that way.

1886
01:42:35,267 --> 01:42:39,677
In part because inherently they are
fearful and inherently they are weak

1887
01:42:39,737 --> 01:42:44,057
and they need someone else to do the
dirty work for them, and then they

1888
01:42:44,057 --> 01:42:46,517
kind of almost claim ownership over it.

1889
01:42:47,297 --> 01:42:49,127
As a way to then make
themselves feel better.

1890
01:42:49,127 --> 01:42:52,967
Like, I'm aligned with this, this is what
I would do if I was in that situation.

1891
01:42:53,327 --> 01:42:55,997
And they might have obviously some
ideological agreement more broadly

1892
01:42:55,997 --> 01:42:57,197
with whatever they're looking at.

1893
01:42:57,557 --> 01:42:59,147
And therefore they'll say,
that's, that's who I am.

1894
01:42:59,147 --> 01:42:59,717
That's me.

1895
01:43:00,017 --> 01:43:00,197
Right?

1896
01:43:00,197 --> 01:43:03,917
That's uh, and, and, and you see
this kind of thing all the time.

1897
01:43:03,917 --> 01:43:04,697
And again, not so much.

1898
01:43:05,852 --> 01:43:08,672
The athletes who again, have,
at least on the athletic side,

1899
01:43:09,077 --> 01:43:10,442
a, a, a fair amount of bravery.

1900
01:43:10,442 --> 01:43:15,782
But, but beyond that, in terms of just
social control and these sort of broader

1901
01:43:15,782 --> 01:43:20,942
ideas, these are incredibly, incredibly,
and I've seen it inside of combat sports,

1902
01:43:21,272 --> 01:43:27,542
really weak right wing men who need other
men to do something that they perceive to

1903
01:43:27,542 --> 01:43:29,612
be masculine, performative, or otherwise.

1904
01:43:29,972 --> 01:43:33,392
And then they do this weird bit where
they kind of claim ownership over it.

1905
01:43:33,452 --> 01:43:37,262
Almost as if it belonged to them, which
you might even say they don't even, they

1906
01:43:37,262 --> 01:43:38,672
shouldn't even want to claim those things.

1907
01:43:38,672 --> 01:43:40,622
But I'm just saying that's
the chain of custody.

1908
01:43:40,952 --> 01:43:41,672
That's the thought.

1909
01:43:41,672 --> 01:43:42,212
I've seen it.

1910
01:43:42,212 --> 01:43:47,342
And the kind of guy that enrages,
those Dons that I'm talking about is

1911
01:43:47,342 --> 01:43:51,062
the kind of guy who actually lives
in a way that they can't comprehend.

1912
01:43:51,362 --> 01:43:54,242
These kinds of people
cannot differentiate.

1913
01:43:54,627 --> 01:43:55,917
Strength from abuse.

1914
01:43:56,517 --> 01:43:58,857
They don't know how to
disentangle the two.

1915
01:43:59,097 --> 01:44:03,387
So when they see somebody who is
not abusive, but is strong, they

1916
01:44:03,387 --> 01:44:05,967
re, they react in revulsion, right?

1917
01:44:05,967 --> 01:44:07,497
They react very, very negatively.

1918
01:44:07,497 --> 01:44:11,607
They react very strongly because
what they're really doing is holding

1919
01:44:11,607 --> 01:44:16,317
up a mirror to these losers and
these bottom feeders about what

1920
01:44:16,317 --> 01:44:21,087
they actually are when they see
someone with strength, genuine, real.

1921
01:44:21,782 --> 01:44:25,652
Not performative masculine strength
or even other forms of it too.

1922
01:44:26,132 --> 01:44:32,012
It drives them insane because it just
is a lesson in their own inadequacy.

1923
01:44:32,912 --> 01:44:35,822
I bring this all up to say I don't
really watch Tim Pool at all.

1924
01:44:35,822 --> 01:44:36,752
I see his stuff come up.

1925
01:44:36,827 --> 01:44:41,342
I. On my social media feeds or I see
it on YouTube and I'm always just

1926
01:44:41,342 --> 01:44:45,002
kind of flabbergasted that he could
have an audience given, just given

1927
01:44:45,002 --> 01:44:49,082
how utterly uninteresting anything he
says, for the most part appears to be.

1928
01:44:49,592 --> 01:44:53,822
And he had a clip that I saw get
circulated that I just thought I had

1929
01:44:53,822 --> 01:44:59,282
said to myself, I could not believe how
perfect it was in trying to understand

1930
01:44:59,552 --> 01:45:01,622
this kind of phenomenon I'm talking about.

1931
01:45:02,252 --> 01:45:02,822
And.

1932
01:45:03,347 --> 01:45:08,657
It laid it out so bare, so crystal clear
that I had to share it with you here.

1933
01:45:08,657 --> 01:45:11,387
Listen to this and tell
me if this does it.

1934
01:45:12,002 --> 01:45:16,772
Completely describe A, exactly who
I'm talking about, and B, that you

1935
01:45:16,772 --> 01:45:19,532
don't understand the exact same thing,
even if you haven't witnessed this.

1936
01:45:19,802 --> 01:45:26,252
On the combat sports side, in particular,
weak men trying to co-opt what they see

1937
01:45:26,252 --> 01:45:31,262
as the strength of others, whether or not
it's strength or not, usually it's not

1938
01:45:31,262 --> 01:45:35,762
because they can't differentiate strength
from abuse, so they lean into what

1939
01:45:35,762 --> 01:45:38,252
others do as abuse as a sign of strength.

1940
01:45:38,627 --> 01:45:42,107
And then say, oh, well that's,
I, I could do, that's me.

1941
01:45:42,107 --> 01:45:42,917
I could do that.

1942
01:45:43,217 --> 01:45:43,397
Right?

1943
01:45:43,397 --> 01:45:47,507
So they're lionizing and they're
celebrating the wrong kind of what

1944
01:45:47,507 --> 01:45:51,047
they perceive to be strength, and then
on top of it, taking credit for it.

1945
01:45:51,632 --> 01:45:54,422
Simply, first of all, when these
people come out and go, Tim's a

1946
01:45:54,422 --> 01:45:55,862
boot lip here for defending us.

1947
01:45:55,862 --> 01:45:57,782
I'm like, no, no, you misunderstand.

1948
01:45:57,812 --> 01:45:59,072
It's my boots.

1949
01:45:59,162 --> 01:45:59,852
It's mine.

1950
01:46:00,122 --> 01:46:01,082
I voted for them.

1951
01:46:01,262 --> 01:46:02,162
I'm wearing the boot.

1952
01:46:02,432 --> 01:46:03,872
I'm stomping on the ground.

1953
01:46:03,992 --> 01:46:05,102
I ain't licking anybody.

1954
01:46:05,162 --> 01:46:08,672
I'm clapping for these people that
I said, please go out and enforce

1955
01:46:08,672 --> 01:46:12,092
the law and anybody else who's
cheering for, who voted for it too.

1956
01:46:12,212 --> 01:46:13,262
We're all wearing the boots.

1957
01:46:13,382 --> 01:46:14,432
You're the one crying.

1958
01:46:14,642 --> 01:46:16,232
You're the one saying you're coming.

1959
01:46:16,292 --> 01:46:17,072
You are nothing.

1960
01:46:18,002 --> 01:46:18,722
You are nothing.

1961
01:46:19,652 --> 01:46:20,432
You are nobody.

1962
01:46:21,527 --> 01:46:26,057
You look at these jobs and the men
who do them, because again, you can't

1963
01:46:26,057 --> 01:46:30,107
differentiate strength from abuse,
and you see that and it appeals to

1964
01:46:30,107 --> 01:46:35,027
you because internally you don't
understand that strength isn't abuse.

1965
01:46:35,717 --> 01:46:39,227
You only see it in that
form because you are weak.

1966
01:46:40,337 --> 01:46:43,787
Because your internal
constitution is weak.

1967
01:46:43,787 --> 01:46:48,437
If it came time to stand a post with
an M 16 A two and actually put on the

1968
01:46:48,437 --> 01:46:53,357
boots, you'd be the first one shitting
and pissing yourself in formation.

1969
01:46:54,077 --> 01:46:57,017
You couldn't do these jobs,
which are abusive in nature.

1970
01:46:57,077 --> 01:47:00,677
If your life depended on
it, it's not your boot.

1971
01:47:01,127 --> 01:47:02,747
It has nothing to do with your boot.

1972
01:47:02,747 --> 01:47:04,907
Your boot will never be found there.

1973
01:47:05,717 --> 01:47:07,667
You aren't that person.

1974
01:47:08,507 --> 01:47:12,797
You lionize them and you celebrate them
and you enjoy what they do and their

1975
01:47:12,797 --> 01:47:17,687
performative cruelty because you are in
constitutionally weak, like this project.

1976
01:47:17,687 --> 01:47:18,497
That is true.

1977
01:47:18,707 --> 01:47:22,457
There is some symmetry there, but
even then you are still too chicken

1978
01:47:22,457 --> 01:47:26,837
shit to go out there and actually
do the hard labor that it entails.

1979
01:47:27,797 --> 01:47:28,997
You are not that guy.

1980
01:47:29,837 --> 01:47:31,247
You are not that person.

1981
01:47:31,877 --> 01:47:35,957
This kind of dope that you see Tim
Pool kind of being here with the one

1982
01:47:35,957 --> 01:47:40,667
I referenced from combat sports, their
number one feature is to talk tough.

1983
01:47:41,057 --> 01:47:45,317
Sometimes they hide their identity,
sometimes they don't, but talking tough

1984
01:47:45,647 --> 01:47:48,437
is the only part of them that is tough.

1985
01:47:49,422 --> 01:47:53,922
There's no other feature to them that
you would ever identify as strong,

1986
01:47:53,982 --> 01:47:56,952
masculine, tough, any of the things
that we would commonly understand

1987
01:47:57,432 --> 01:47:59,172
because they don't live those lives.

1988
01:47:59,172 --> 01:48:00,492
They cannot live those lives.

1989
01:48:00,492 --> 01:48:04,452
They are constitutionally incapable of it,
but they can talk tough on the internet.

1990
01:48:04,452 --> 01:48:07,092
And so that's the thing that they
lean on and that's what they use

1991
01:48:07,092 --> 01:48:12,912
performatively to kind of signal their
adoration for what they deem strength.

1992
01:48:13,032 --> 01:48:14,142
That's, that's this guy.

1993
01:48:15,497 --> 01:48:19,247
Never stood a post, couldn't bench press
his own body, weight of his life, did.

1994
01:48:19,247 --> 01:48:20,837
This motherfucker can't even grow hair.

1995
01:48:21,947 --> 01:48:22,697
He is nothing.

1996
01:48:23,267 --> 01:48:24,287
You are nothing, Tim.

1997
01:48:24,917 --> 01:48:26,537
You are not who you think you are.

1998
01:48:26,687 --> 01:48:28,787
You can fool all these
people on the internet.

1999
01:48:29,357 --> 01:48:32,087
Even in terms of just leveling
with the audience, you.

2000
01:48:32,972 --> 01:48:38,012
You took money from the sketchiest of
sources and then claimed not to know

2001
01:48:38,012 --> 01:48:41,192
anything about it in the end, despite
the fact that there should have been

2002
01:48:41,492 --> 01:48:44,972
a million red flags about it, and
yet you wanna be taken seriously.

2003
01:48:44,972 --> 01:48:48,602
If not as a journalist, as some kind
of independent and honest media figure,

2004
01:48:49,052 --> 01:48:50,822
you are nothing that you say you are.

2005
01:48:51,842 --> 01:48:56,522
You are absolutely disconnected from
the things you tell yourself and the

2006
01:48:56,522 --> 01:48:59,312
things you tell the public to say.

2007
01:48:59,312 --> 01:49:01,047
Nothing of the fact that he
cannot tell the difference.

2008
01:49:01,637 --> 01:49:04,457
Between strength and abuse, as I've
been kind of talking about this whole

2009
01:49:04,457 --> 01:49:08,327
time and more to the point, what you
really need to understand here is on

2010
01:49:08,327 --> 01:49:12,617
the substantive matter of the argument
that he is making, aside from a little,

2011
01:49:12,617 --> 01:49:19,127
tiny, weak person pretending to be
strong behind a keyboard, is really

2012
01:49:19,127 --> 01:49:20,657
just quite pathetic in its own right.

2013
01:49:20,897 --> 01:49:26,117
But putting that aside for just a
moment on the matter, on the substance

2014
01:49:26,117 --> 01:49:30,947
of the matter here, what he is doing
is cheerleading a lawless operation.

2015
01:49:31,832 --> 01:49:35,342
He is cheerleading something to
say nothing of how foolhardy the

2016
01:49:35,342 --> 01:49:38,852
project is in national self-harm
to deport the very best of us.

2017
01:49:38,852 --> 01:49:41,312
And yes, of course ice goes after
criminals and it's fine that they

2018
01:49:41,312 --> 01:49:44,972
get them, but as we now know,
they're going after day laborers,

2019
01:49:44,972 --> 01:49:47,012
dishwashers, friends, neighbors.

2020
01:49:48,137 --> 01:49:49,997
Colleagues, family members.

2021
01:49:50,087 --> 01:49:51,527
I mean, that's who they're
going after now, right?

2022
01:49:51,527 --> 01:49:55,097
And this idiot cannot differentiate
the validity of this mission, and

2023
01:49:55,097 --> 01:49:56,627
so he's continuing to cheerlead it.

2024
01:49:56,627 --> 01:49:59,837
Again, he cannot tell the difference
between abuse and strength.

2025
01:50:00,077 --> 01:50:03,197
It is that that distinction
is invisible to him.

2026
01:50:03,437 --> 01:50:07,637
And the point I'm trying to make is he
is cheerleading on a lawless operation.

2027
01:50:07,637 --> 01:50:12,947
If you take the exact thing and the
methods that ICE is using to do it.

2028
01:50:13,367 --> 01:50:16,667
Routinely, for example,
ignoring court orders, right?

2029
01:50:16,967 --> 01:50:21,737
Just on that level alone, and
you turn that against a project,

2030
01:50:21,737 --> 01:50:24,887
a political project that he
would support one more time.

2031
01:50:24,947 --> 01:50:28,607
He'd be the first one
shitting and pissing himself.

2032
01:50:29,297 --> 01:50:33,587
As a consequence, he doesn't,
he doesn't care about the proper

2033
01:50:33,587 --> 01:50:34,817
role of the federal government.

2034
01:50:35,057 --> 01:50:38,597
He does not care about restraints
on it as it pertains to protecting

2035
01:50:38,597 --> 01:50:42,437
oneself, protecting the interests of
the average person, protecting their

2036
01:50:42,437 --> 01:50:44,717
constitutional rights for crying out loud.

2037
01:50:44,717 --> 01:50:48,407
He never answers the question, what
does the government, what should the

2038
01:50:48,407 --> 01:50:50,087
government be allowed to do to me?

2039
01:50:50,267 --> 01:50:53,477
What he's saying is, here's what I
want the government to do to you.

2040
01:50:54,632 --> 01:50:56,012
Because he is weak.

2041
01:50:56,132 --> 01:50:57,932
He is constitutionally weak.

2042
01:50:58,022 --> 01:51:01,447
Anybody who gets out there and says
things like, oh, that's my boot.

2043
01:51:02,492 --> 01:51:04,202
It's not your boot, Tim.

2044
01:51:05,282 --> 01:51:05,912
It's not.

2045
01:51:05,912 --> 01:51:10,232
You can be supportive of whatever
you want, whatever you believe ice is

2046
01:51:10,232 --> 01:51:15,332
doing, but the reality is what the,
the, the, the, the genuine material

2047
01:51:15,332 --> 01:51:18,782
things that they're engaging in and
the lawlessness of it, it can be

2048
01:51:18,782 --> 01:51:20,792
turned against you and your people.

2049
01:51:21,122 --> 01:51:23,672
It can be turned against you
and the things you support.

2050
01:51:23,672 --> 01:51:27,392
And you will not be sitting here
saying, wow, this is just a, this,

2051
01:51:27,392 --> 01:51:30,482
these are just powers that I'm glad
have been enumerated to the federal

2052
01:51:30,482 --> 01:51:31,242
government and given to them.

2053
01:51:32,122 --> 01:51:33,052
That's the point.

2054
01:51:33,232 --> 01:51:36,352
The point is what are they
allowed to do to all of us?

2055
01:51:36,532 --> 01:51:38,572
And what kind of questions should we have?

2056
01:51:39,442 --> 01:51:41,332
What protections should we uphold?

2057
01:51:41,332 --> 01:51:43,402
What rights do we have in this matter?

2058
01:51:43,552 --> 01:51:47,272
Whether it's about immigration
enforcement, whether it's about the,

2059
01:51:47,302 --> 01:51:50,452
the, the right to choose in various
states, whether it's about any other

2060
01:51:50,452 --> 01:51:55,822
number of different factors that
are involved here, he cannot tell

2061
01:51:55,822 --> 01:52:00,562
the difference between abuse and
strength, and there is no greater.

2062
01:52:01,157 --> 01:52:02,027
Red flag.

2063
01:52:02,027 --> 01:52:08,477
There is no greater revealer of a weak
man than somebody who conflates the two.

2064
01:52:09,737 --> 01:52:13,307
A fascist regime doesn't spread by
convincing someone that they are.

2065
01:52:13,372 --> 01:52:14,842
Evil in doing bad things.

2066
01:52:14,872 --> 01:52:19,102
It spreads by telling someone like Cyril
that they are right about everything

2067
01:52:19,102 --> 01:52:20,872
they thought about them previously.

2068
01:52:20,992 --> 01:52:24,502
Cyril believes the Empire is doing
the right thing and he never lets

2069
01:52:24,502 --> 01:52:26,392
his guard down to really investigate.

2070
01:52:26,452 --> 01:52:31,012
This dude was a deputy inspector, and yet
it never tipped him off until the very

2071
01:52:31,012 --> 01:52:35,872
end that everything the Empire was doing
defied his beliefs in law and order.

2072
01:52:36,022 --> 01:52:39,232
That's why I think he is probably
the most naive character that's

2073
01:52:39,232 --> 01:52:40,882
ever existed in the franchise.

2074
01:52:40,972 --> 01:52:42,172
He's so gullible about.

2075
01:52:42,552 --> 01:52:44,892
Everything and is easy to manipulate that.

2076
01:52:44,892 --> 01:52:48,462
Even his own romantic relationship,
if you wanna call it that, with

2077
01:52:48,462 --> 01:52:50,382
Dera, seemed to fake as well.

2078
01:52:50,442 --> 01:52:54,042
I'm sure that there probably was a
real aspect to it, given what we see

2079
01:52:54,042 --> 01:52:55,602
of him when he's at home with her.

2080
01:52:55,722 --> 01:52:59,262
But every time they are involved
with Imperial jurisdiction, all of

2081
01:52:59,262 --> 01:53:00,822
that gets thrown out the window.

2082
01:53:00,942 --> 01:53:05,292
It's all about what their role is in the
empire and what it means to their careers.

2083
01:53:05,487 --> 01:53:09,057
Dera even says it as much right to
his face during the scene when he

2084
01:53:09,057 --> 01:53:13,077
confronts her about what the empire
was doing on Gorman the entire time.

2085
01:53:13,197 --> 01:53:16,437
It's a full circle moment when we
look back on where his character

2086
01:53:16,437 --> 01:53:18,087
started and how it ended.

2087
01:53:18,177 --> 01:53:21,542
And this is subsequently a great
segue into discussing his eventual.

2088
01:53:21,872 --> 01:53:25,982
Death as everything around the Gorman
massacre is happening, he's lost with

2089
01:53:25,982 --> 01:53:29,462
basically nothing left to show for it,
and that would eventually be how his

2090
01:53:29,462 --> 01:53:33,182
character ends when it feels like he
can't justify anything longer and has

2091
01:53:33,182 --> 01:53:36,812
no way of even being in the moment when
all the chaos is happening around him.

2092
01:53:36,992 --> 01:53:40,742
There was one final thing left for
him to do that just so happened to

2093
01:53:40,742 --> 01:53:42,397
be caught right in front of him as.

2094
01:53:42,687 --> 01:53:46,557
Everything was going down, which
is seeing the very man that got him

2095
01:53:46,587 --> 01:53:48,447
into this mess in the first place.

2096
01:53:48,597 --> 01:53:51,747
His original instincts and
personal drive kicked right in.

2097
01:53:51,867 --> 01:53:56,577
And we see these two finally go at each
other in a very visceral and violent way.

2098
01:53:56,607 --> 01:53:59,637
All of you watching this video have
already seen the sequence, so I'm not

2099
01:53:59,637 --> 01:54:03,507
gonna go through its scene by scene,
but his death illustrates an important

2100
01:54:03,507 --> 01:54:06,837
final line that also just happened
to be the title of the episode.

2101
01:54:07,107 --> 01:54:08,247
One simple question.

2102
01:54:08,592 --> 01:54:09,282
Who are you?

2103
01:54:09,312 --> 01:54:13,242
It's just such a good line to end a
character's arc and more specifically

2104
01:54:13,362 --> 01:54:16,842
this character when everything
comes crashing down around him.

2105
01:54:16,842 --> 01:54:20,532
And in his final moments, he's
asked that question by Cassian.

2106
01:54:20,682 --> 01:54:24,532
There's no perfect way to end it off
because in that very last moment of his.

2107
01:54:25,082 --> 01:54:28,982
I don't think he knew who he was and
when he's directly asked the question

2108
01:54:29,102 --> 01:54:32,432
and he starts letting his guard
down before he shoots Cassian, it

2109
01:54:32,432 --> 01:54:34,322
almost felt like that was it for him.

2110
01:54:34,442 --> 01:54:37,712
There was absolutely nothing
more he could do after that, even

2111
01:54:37,712 --> 01:54:39,662
if he did kill Cassian Cyril.

2112
01:54:39,662 --> 01:54:44,762
Karin dies the way fascist systems always
consume their most loyal servants quietly.

2113
01:54:45,087 --> 01:54:49,017
Meaninglessly and without recognition,
there are too many serials for the

2114
01:54:49,017 --> 01:54:52,407
system to care about Any one of them
that may have done something that helped

2115
01:54:52,407 --> 01:54:56,037
the regime grow because at the end of
the day, they don't care who does it.

2116
01:54:56,187 --> 01:54:58,437
They just care that it
happened in the end.

2117
01:54:58,617 --> 01:55:00,927
I'm actually one of the people
who was kind of glad that.

2118
01:55:01,492 --> 01:55:04,792
He didn't get a true redemption arc
because even though it felt like they were

2119
01:55:04,792 --> 01:55:08,872
teasing the idea that it would happen,
his death was the final nail in the

2120
01:55:08,872 --> 01:55:10,852
coffin for that even being a possibility.

2121
01:55:10,882 --> 01:55:13,942
He was just another uniform to
the empire and nothing more.

2122
01:55:13,942 --> 01:55:17,332
And that's basically all his character
is ever going to be remembered by, at

2123
01:55:17,332 --> 01:55:19,132
least within the eyes of the empire.

2124
01:55:19,312 --> 01:55:19,972
The empire.

2125
01:55:19,972 --> 01:55:24,052
And someone like Dera sold him a lie
that has been built on through so

2126
01:55:24,052 --> 01:55:27,352
many other different people like him,
and that is how all these different.

2127
01:55:27,387 --> 01:55:31,047
Fascist outlines are created
throughout time and as we've seen

2128
01:55:31,047 --> 01:55:34,167
them in our collective history
as a species in real life.

2129
01:55:34,197 --> 01:55:37,407
And once again, we are seeing
it continue now here in the

2130
01:55:37,407 --> 01:55:39,417
real world, across the globe.

2131
01:55:39,417 --> 01:55:44,427
Today we are watching political movements
and governments rise up promising cruelty

2132
01:55:44,427 --> 01:55:46,737
and promising order in our daily lives.

2133
01:55:46,867 --> 01:55:50,197
That's the kind of language that
someone like Cyril was brainwashed

2134
01:55:50,197 --> 01:55:51,697
into thinking would actually happen.

2135
01:55:51,727 --> 01:55:55,297
Even though we are actually seeing
it happen right now, we are seeing it

2136
01:55:55,297 --> 01:55:59,077
happen in ways that was never promised,
and it's hurting people's lives in the

2137
01:55:59,077 --> 01:56:01,237
worst way possible here in America.

2138
01:56:01,267 --> 01:56:04,477
I can't begin to tell you how
bad it is getting, and obviously

2139
01:56:04,657 --> 01:56:06,067
it's not just happening here.

2140
01:56:06,097 --> 01:56:06,547
It's happen.

2141
01:56:06,847 --> 01:56:07,627
All over.

2142
01:56:07,717 --> 01:56:10,567
I don't wanna be ignorant of that,
and I want to make that clear

2143
01:56:10,687 --> 01:56:12,247
just in case anyone was wondering.

2144
01:56:12,247 --> 01:56:16,447
People like Cyril are a real danger
because we see too many of him in

2145
01:56:16,447 --> 01:56:20,857
real life right now, whether it's in
a person or all over social media, the

2146
01:56:20,857 --> 01:56:23,977
kind of people that will defend the
defenseless arguments that are made

2147
01:56:23,977 --> 01:56:27,937
to justify actions that are actually
illegal when the people seeing them

2148
01:56:27,937 --> 01:56:30,397
through, don't care if they are or not.

2149
01:56:30,577 --> 01:56:35,227
History shows us that authoritarian
systems don't survive on charisma alone.

2150
01:56:35,387 --> 01:56:39,707
They survive because millions of people
decide that obedience to a cause is

2151
01:56:39,737 --> 01:56:43,937
easier than actually being objective
and right about what's really going on.

2152
01:56:43,967 --> 01:56:46,787
And once enough people
believe in that sentiment, the

2153
01:56:46,787 --> 01:56:48,347
empire doesn't have to rise.

2154
01:56:48,497 --> 01:56:50,927
It will already have
been here to begin with.

2155
01:56:50,957 --> 01:56:54,017
the thing about this global order
is it is rhetorically at least

2156
01:56:54,017 --> 01:56:58,787
built on notions of reciprocity
and equality among nations, right?

2157
01:56:58,787 --> 01:57:01,007
The United States is part
of a community of nations.

2158
01:57:01,007 --> 01:57:02,237
It can't just break the rules.

2159
01:57:02,297 --> 01:57:03,827
It breaks the rules all the time.

2160
01:57:04,277 --> 01:57:05,507
The rules don't apply to it.

2161
01:57:06,227 --> 01:57:09,587
But the rhetoric of American
presidents and American leaders is

2162
01:57:09,587 --> 01:57:11,687
that of international cooperation.

2163
01:57:12,307 --> 01:57:13,477
That's the pretense.

2164
01:57:13,717 --> 01:57:18,517
You could call it hypocrisy, but
hypocrisy as the aphorism goes, is the

2165
01:57:18,517 --> 01:57:20,497
compliment that vice pays to virtue.

2166
01:57:20,827 --> 01:57:25,402
And although much of the world grumble
about this hypocrisy, the United

2167
01:57:25,402 --> 01:57:29,797
States was genuinely indispensable,
was the world's economic hub.

2168
01:57:30,952 --> 01:57:36,112
Center of global finance, the dollar, the
reserve currency, American military, might

2169
01:57:36,142 --> 01:57:38,602
crucial to securing free trade, right?

2170
01:57:38,602 --> 01:57:40,642
All these things are the case.

2171
01:57:40,732 --> 01:57:46,042
The United States was an indispensable
nation, and so when it broke the rules,

2172
01:57:46,372 --> 01:57:51,952
when it engaged in imperialistic ventures
abroad, even when other states, other

2173
01:57:51,952 --> 01:57:55,372
nations objected and can play, and
they still played ball because they had

2174
01:57:55,372 --> 01:57:58,822
to play ball from the perspective of
American elites, this is almost the.

2175
01:57:59,182 --> 01:58:00,742
Best of all worlds, right?

2176
01:58:00,742 --> 01:58:02,932
You can do whatever you want essentially.

2177
01:58:03,532 --> 01:58:05,992
And the rest of the world
is highly dependent on you.

2178
01:58:06,232 --> 01:58:11,332
And because the relationships of
dependency are so lucrative for

2179
01:58:11,332 --> 01:58:14,332
everyone involved, the rest of the
world isn't also that interested

2180
01:58:14,332 --> 01:58:17,662
in trying to change the arrangement
fundamentally, maybe on the margins.

2181
01:58:17,662 --> 01:58:22,342
But for the most part, people accepted
a world of dominant American power.

2182
01:58:22,342 --> 01:58:25,912
And there was even more so after the fall
of the Soviet Union, the United States was

2183
01:58:25,912 --> 01:58:28,192
sort of the, the world's lone superpower.

2184
01:58:28,537 --> 01:58:29,617
Why did I bring all this up?

2185
01:58:30,427 --> 01:58:37,207
So we have a global order, pre-Trump
global order that is rhetorically

2186
01:58:37,207 --> 01:58:41,257
and perhaps ideologically built
on notions of equality and

2187
01:58:41,257 --> 01:58:46,027
reciprocity on cultural exchange,
on influence through peaceful ways.

2188
01:58:46,297 --> 01:58:49,987
We know that in practice those ways
weren't so peaceful in the United States,

2189
01:58:49,987 --> 01:58:53,677
did a lot of terrible things and caused
a lot of misery, but rhetorically, at

2190
01:58:53,677 --> 01:58:55,747
least that is what it was built on.

2191
01:58:55,747 --> 01:58:57,637
That was how American presidents spoke.

2192
01:58:57,937 --> 01:58:59,827
George W. Bush did not speak about.

2193
01:58:59,947 --> 01:59:02,617
Going to warn Iraq to secure oil supplies.

2194
01:59:02,617 --> 01:59:05,437
He spoke about spreading democracy,
and I'll say it's just a bit

2195
01:59:05,437 --> 01:59:09,367
of a parenthetical that they
often believe this as well.

2196
01:59:09,397 --> 01:59:14,767
People's motivations aren't as
clear cut in material as I think

2197
01:59:15,067 --> 01:59:16,807
some analysis would present them.

2198
01:59:16,807 --> 01:59:20,797
People including the leaders of
superpowers are a bundle of motivations

2199
01:59:20,802 --> 01:59:24,552
and decision making at that high
level isn't always so clear cut.

2200
01:59:24,552 --> 01:59:26,347
It may not even be entirely rational.

2201
01:59:26,347 --> 01:59:29,497
That's scary to think
about, but it is the case.

2202
01:59:30,262 --> 01:59:32,602
The current situation in the
United States is I think, abundant

2203
01:59:32,632 --> 01:59:34,252
evidence that it is the case.

2204
01:59:34,402 --> 01:59:37,522
So we have this rhetorical
commitment to freedom and equality,

2205
01:59:37,522 --> 01:59:38,692
democracy, all these things.

2206
01:59:38,692 --> 01:59:41,452
We have the actual behavior of
the United States, and there's

2207
01:59:41,452 --> 01:59:42,682
an obvious contradiction there.

2208
01:59:42,682 --> 01:59:46,342
We also have the failures of the past
two decades, the wars in Iraq and

2209
01:59:46,342 --> 01:59:49,732
Afghanistan, the global financial
crisis, and so on and so forth.

2210
01:59:50,297 --> 01:59:52,952
I think like guys for Matt Walsh,
for Stephen Miller, for Donald

2211
01:59:52,952 --> 01:59:54,467
Trump, for the entire MAGA Wright.

2212
01:59:54,527 --> 01:59:58,787
They look at the rhetoric and they say,
oh, that was the basis for American power.

2213
01:59:58,787 --> 02:00:01,517
They ignore the networks of
institutions of relationships.

2214
02:00:01,517 --> 02:00:04,787
They ignore the actual dynamics
happening in terms of America's

2215
02:00:04,787 --> 02:00:06,407
relationships with the rest of the world.

2216
02:00:06,767 --> 02:00:11,567
They focus on the rhetoric and that
rhetoric to them reads as weak,

2217
02:00:11,687 --> 02:00:14,057
as feminine, as Walsh said, gay.

2218
02:00:14,672 --> 02:00:18,992
In power, their aim is to dismantle
the institutions and relationships

2219
02:00:18,992 --> 02:00:21,362
that rhetoric was used to justify.

2220
02:00:21,632 --> 02:00:25,832
They don't see what we see, which is the
United States that can largely operate

2221
02:00:25,832 --> 02:00:30,632
with impunity, but does so within certain
rhetorical and ideological limits.

2222
02:00:31,772 --> 02:00:34,172
What they see is United States restrained.

2223
02:00:34,567 --> 02:00:39,547
By notions of fairness and reciprocity
and democracy and all these things,

2224
02:00:39,757 --> 02:00:43,627
they look to someone like Vladimir
Putin and they admire that, that kind

2225
02:00:43,627 --> 02:00:48,637
of no pretense, no hypocrisy might makes
right the strong do what they want.

2226
02:00:48,937 --> 02:00:54,847
Now, here's the turn behind all of
this is a vision of masculinity, a

2227
02:00:54,847 --> 02:00:56,882
vision of what it means to be a man.

2228
02:00:57,742 --> 02:01:02,182
It's no accident that all of this is
happening at the same time as what seems

2229
02:01:02,182 --> 02:01:07,282
to be a society-wide gender panic with
here and in abroad, especially in the uk,

2230
02:01:07,822 --> 02:01:10,132
over the existence of transgender people.

2231
02:01:10,582 --> 02:01:14,212
Tons of gender anxiety happening
everywhere, and I think all

2232
02:01:14,212 --> 02:01:15,322
these things are connected.

2233
02:01:15,682 --> 02:01:19,702
We can go back to Walsh, the only
international laws that big and powerful

2234
02:01:19,702 --> 02:01:21,202
countries get to do what they want.

2235
02:01:21,472 --> 02:01:26,962
This is a vision of manhood, of
maleness as masculinity, as domination.

2236
02:01:27,847 --> 02:01:32,077
Big countries dominate small,
strong countries, dominate weak

2237
02:01:32,497 --> 02:01:34,657
men, dominate women and children.

2238
02:01:35,137 --> 02:01:41,377
Heterosexual men dominate gay men and
trans men, and this is tied up in notions

2239
02:01:41,377 --> 02:01:43,417
of race and race hierarchy as well.

2240
02:01:43,687 --> 02:01:45,667
Whites dominate everyone else.

2241
02:01:46,507 --> 02:01:51,157
White men are at the top of the
hierarchy, but gender is a key thing here.

2242
02:01:51,217 --> 02:01:55,867
Masculinity as the domination of other
people and things is the key thing here.

2243
02:01:56,272 --> 02:01:59,602
An international system in which the
United States pays lip service to

2244
02:01:59,602 --> 02:02:03,712
notions of reciprocity, inequality,
and et cetera, et cetera, reads

2245
02:02:03,772 --> 02:02:06,922
as weak, reads as feminine.

2246
02:02:07,162 --> 02:02:10,132
Real men don't negotiate with people.

2247
02:02:10,342 --> 02:02:12,412
Real men don't have discussions.

2248
02:02:12,652 --> 02:02:16,072
Real men beat and pummel their
opponents and take what they want.

2249
02:02:16,462 --> 02:02:17,452
International law.

2250
02:02:18,367 --> 02:02:20,377
Here at Walsh again is gay.

2251
02:02:21,037 --> 02:02:23,497
It's like, it's like it's pure text.

2252
02:02:23,617 --> 02:02:24,457
That's what I love it.

2253
02:02:24,517 --> 02:02:25,687
It's pure text.

2254
02:02:25,687 --> 02:02:27,067
There is no subtext here.

2255
02:02:27,067 --> 02:02:28,507
Subtext is for cowards.

2256
02:02:29,017 --> 02:02:31,687
I know writers who use subtext
and they're all cowards.

2257
02:02:31,987 --> 02:02:33,307
Trump and all of these guys.

2258
02:02:33,307 --> 02:02:35,167
Look back to the 19th century.

2259
02:02:35,317 --> 02:02:37,747
Look back to the age of
great power competition.

2260
02:02:37,747 --> 02:02:39,577
A naked conquest because.

2261
02:02:40,327 --> 02:02:44,857
Makes your dicks hard and they hate
the current era of international

2262
02:02:44,857 --> 02:02:48,877
cooperation as much as it exists
because it makes your dicks soft.

2263
02:02:49,297 --> 02:02:50,167
That's basically it.

2264
02:02:50,287 --> 02:02:51,337
That's what's happening here.

2265
02:02:52,417 --> 02:02:54,457
Maybe I'm simplifying things
a little bit, but that's

2266
02:02:54,517 --> 02:02:56,947
basically what is happening here.

2267
02:02:57,277 --> 02:03:00,667
Now, the last thing I'll say here,
the last two things I'll say here.

2268
02:03:01,177 --> 02:03:04,957
I said, you can't separate
any of this from the actual

2269
02:03:04,957 --> 02:03:06,607
identities of the men involved.

2270
02:03:07,342 --> 02:03:10,732
I mentioned that Steven Miller
is a big blubbering piss baby.

2271
02:03:11,002 --> 02:03:14,872
Matt Walsh isn't some kind of prize
of traditional masculinity either.

2272
02:03:14,872 --> 02:03:16,342
Certainly Donald Trump is not.

2273
02:03:17,062 --> 02:03:20,182
These are people I'm gonna
add Pete, Hegseth as well.

2274
02:03:20,632 --> 02:03:24,712
These are people clearly struggling
to reconcile their actual selves

2275
02:03:24,712 --> 02:03:25,972
with the idea masculinity.

2276
02:03:26,032 --> 02:03:28,462
They hold in their heads
and they can't do it.

2277
02:03:28,762 --> 02:03:31,102
They lash out and they lash out.

2278
02:03:31,102 --> 02:03:34,702
By showing the world that they
can dominate, they lash out.

2279
02:03:35,647 --> 02:03:40,777
By performing the kind of masculinity
they think is true and real.

2280
02:03:41,047 --> 02:03:44,197
Of course, Steven Miller is
a big blubbering piss baby.

2281
02:03:44,827 --> 02:03:47,467
What other kind of person
would behave like that?

2282
02:03:48,127 --> 02:03:51,547
The final point is that it's not an
accident that some of the key men in

2283
02:03:51,547 --> 02:03:55,357
this orbit, including the president
of the United States, have credibly

2284
02:03:55,357 --> 02:03:57,937
been accused of sexual assault.

2285
02:03:58,627 --> 02:04:02,737
We begin tonight with the list of women
who have now come forward accusing

2286
02:04:02,737 --> 02:04:04,867
Donald Trump of inappropriate conduct.

2287
02:04:04,957 --> 02:04:06,727
The detailed claims right here.

2288
02:04:07,192 --> 02:04:10,552
And they come after that video, Donald
Trump, on that bus, describing what

2289
02:04:10,552 --> 02:04:14,182
he's able to do to women, kissing them,
grabbing them because of his fame.

2290
02:04:15,112 --> 02:04:20,452
Because the ideology here, the vision
of the world here is the vision of a

2291
02:04:20,452 --> 02:04:26,602
rapist is the vision of someone who
sees other people as merely things for

2292
02:04:26,602 --> 02:04:31,882
them to use, who actualizes themselves
through the domination of others

2293
02:04:31,882 --> 02:04:34,282
in the most violent and crude ways.

2294
02:04:34,552 --> 02:04:36,502
That is the ethos they wanna bring.

2295
02:04:36,922 --> 02:04:40,972
To the world stage, the US not as
partner to the rest of the world, as

2296
02:04:40,972 --> 02:04:45,472
flawed as we often are, but the US as
something like the neighborhood rapist.

2297
02:04:45,786 --> 02:04:48,186
You've reached Section C,
the propaganda machine.

2298
02:04:48,672 --> 02:04:51,642
Not all political
memification is created equal.

2299
02:04:51,642 --> 02:04:55,272
It manifests differently for
different groups, both stylistically.

2300
02:04:55,807 --> 02:04:56,977
And strategically.

2301
02:04:57,037 --> 02:05:00,697
On one side you have liberal
progressive memification that tends

2302
02:05:00,697 --> 02:05:04,357
to rely on language and formats that
are slightly outta step with current

2303
02:05:04,357 --> 02:05:08,287
online culture like Jasmine Crockett
dunking on Lindsey Graham for doing

2304
02:05:08,287 --> 02:05:10,237
something illegal or whatever.

2305
02:05:10,537 --> 02:05:14,887
All while children are being blown up
with American taxpayer dollars, but go off

2306
02:05:14,887 --> 02:05:19,867
Queen, this kind of cringe makes it very
apparent that something has gone terribly

2307
02:05:19,867 --> 02:05:24,427
wrong if this is what we're resorting to
in order to get people to pay attention.

2308
02:05:24,647 --> 02:05:28,212
The incongruency between the message's,
tone doesn't align with the real

2309
02:05:28,212 --> 02:05:31,962
world stakes, and we end up further
questioning the legitimacy of the

2310
02:05:31,962 --> 02:05:36,822
authority and effectiveness of people
like Chuck Schumer and Cory Booker.

2311
02:05:36,882 --> 02:05:40,387
It ends up feeling forced or
improperly scaled to the realities.

2312
02:05:40,667 --> 02:05:44,147
It claims to address, and you don't
even need detailed knowledge or

2313
02:05:44,147 --> 02:05:48,317
understanding of policy or facts on
a government agency or respected news

2314
02:05:48,317 --> 02:05:53,567
outlet, posts a meme about how cooked
we are because we expect a certain kind

2315
02:05:53,567 --> 02:05:58,427
of communication from them, and when it
doesn't live up to those expectations,

2316
02:05:58,547 --> 02:06:01,847
it engenders a deep dystopian discomfort.

2317
02:06:01,937 --> 02:06:05,327
Now, that's not to say it doesn't work
on some of the people, some of the time.

2318
02:06:05,542 --> 02:06:09,082
It's probably very effective on
normies who are listed as not

2319
02:06:09,082 --> 02:06:10,912
political in their hinge bio.

2320
02:06:11,297 --> 02:06:16,042
I, I do still see it as a small
victory that Nancy, who loves to

2321
02:06:16,042 --> 02:06:20,152
snowboard and still has a dedicated
PET Instagram account for some reason,

2322
02:06:20,152 --> 02:06:24,142
is maybe a little more suspicious
of US Israel relations because of.

2323
02:06:25,707 --> 02:06:31,317
Obnoxious libbed up meme rather
than seeking approval or creating

2324
02:06:31,317 --> 02:06:33,357
content, celebrating small wins.

2325
02:06:33,357 --> 02:06:36,477
Right wing meme politics
uses irony and hostility and.

2326
02:06:37,197 --> 02:06:41,337
Obviously intimidation that is often
about dominance or indifference to

2327
02:06:41,337 --> 02:06:46,707
legitimacy, especially under Trump too,
who has employed a literal frat bro,

2328
02:06:46,707 --> 02:06:48,927
who holds a degree in advanced hazing.

2329
02:06:49,047 --> 02:06:53,097
Alienation is a virtue that serves
to reinforce in-group loyalty, while

2330
02:06:53,097 --> 02:06:57,177
provoking confusion and outrage
from outsiders whose obsession with

2331
02:06:57,282 --> 02:07:01,857
decorum is a humiliation ritual
that will lead to their downfall.

2332
02:07:01,887 --> 02:07:04,407
Despite these stylistic
differences, both approaches

2333
02:07:04,407 --> 02:07:06,447
rely on similar propaganda logic.

2334
02:07:06,687 --> 02:07:09,057
Appeal to emotions rather than rationale.

2335
02:07:09,057 --> 02:07:11,517
Present one side, distort
facts and reality.

2336
02:07:11,517 --> 02:07:15,117
Use unambiguous imagery and
slogans to create a sense of

2337
02:07:15,117 --> 02:07:17,457
unity and then rinse and repeat.

2338
02:07:17,727 --> 02:07:21,657
Where they differ is in how
they fail and they do fail.

2339
02:07:21,657 --> 02:07:26,067
Eventually, liberal meme propaganda
and political messaging often collapses

2340
02:07:26,067 --> 02:07:30,927
under the weight of unfulfilled promises
and being perceived as a lame duck.

2341
02:07:30,927 --> 02:07:31,947
Do nothing party.

2342
02:07:32,322 --> 02:07:37,812
Right wing Memification is arguably more
successful, but on a long enough timeline.

2343
02:07:38,697 --> 02:07:42,807
Becomes incoherent, which
leans to escalating antagonism,

2344
02:07:42,957 --> 02:07:45,147
both from within and without.

2345
02:07:45,177 --> 02:07:49,437
As memification spreads it more and
more appears in state communications,

2346
02:07:49,437 --> 02:07:52,827
where official government accounts
turn stolen art into memes.

2347
02:07:53,007 --> 02:07:56,787
Federal agencies adopt ironic or
increasingly hostile language.

2348
02:07:57,007 --> 02:08:01,537
And the vice president accepts his
meme status by literally becoming

2349
02:08:01,537 --> 02:08:06,757
the fat baby in an attempt to reclaim
the joke and strip it of its power.

2350
02:08:06,847 --> 02:08:10,747
What was once confined to general
media Commentary now appears

2351
02:08:10,747 --> 02:08:14,617
in formal institutions tasked
with exercising coercive power.

2352
02:08:15,087 --> 02:08:20,277
Which ends up normalizing flippancy about
human rights violations and war crimes.

2353
02:08:20,337 --> 02:08:25,377
Even in a culture where meme language has
become this normalized, there is still an

2354
02:08:25,377 --> 02:08:30,567
expectation that state power speak with
some amount of plainness or seriousness.

2355
02:08:30,687 --> 02:08:34,407
When the state claims to have the
authority to detain, deport, imprison,

2356
02:08:34,407 --> 02:08:38,517
surveil, and execute citizens in the
street, its language is assumed to

2357
02:08:38,517 --> 02:08:40,677
reflect the gravity of that power.

2358
02:08:41,067 --> 02:08:41,247
It.

2359
02:08:41,247 --> 02:08:42,627
It's about proportionality.

2360
02:08:42,627 --> 02:08:46,677
So when the state adopts mem
unified vernacular and trots around

2361
02:08:46,677 --> 02:08:50,277
like the millions of fat baby
edits, totally don't bother him.

2362
02:08:50,517 --> 02:08:52,317
What is the proportionality?

2363
02:08:52,677 --> 02:08:56,037
This doesn't make the actions
less violent or consequential.

2364
02:08:56,327 --> 02:09:00,797
It just creates a sense that power is
being exercised without accountability.

2365
02:09:00,977 --> 02:09:05,897
Where people's lives are treated as
disposable genocide is now nothing

2366
02:09:05,897 --> 02:09:08,147
more than an ironic, edgy joke.

2367
02:09:08,357 --> 02:09:11,987
While people like Vance and Hegseth
probably think they're achieving something

2368
02:09:11,987 --> 02:09:17,087
when they carry out extra judicial
killings and label it as ffo just to

2369
02:09:17,087 --> 02:09:19,907
own the libs, the memification has.

2370
02:09:20,592 --> 02:09:25,302
Or will eventually have a negative
outcome on institutional authority

2371
02:09:25,302 --> 02:09:27,462
from within their own base as well.

2372
02:09:27,522 --> 02:09:31,002
This shit sounds no different than
some guy trolling on 4chan and

2373
02:09:31,002 --> 02:09:34,742
thus there's no distinction between
the SECDEF and the Navy Seals.

2374
02:09:34,742 --> 02:09:36,402
copypasta 4chan user.

2375
02:09:36,402 --> 02:09:40,302
Every other government statement at this
point and political headline sounds like

2376
02:09:40,302 --> 02:09:45,612
this Tweet Clavicular was left stunned
after Tristan Tate mogging him to death.

2377
02:09:45,822 --> 02:09:48,912
Every misleading tweet
is dismissed as irony.

2378
02:09:48,942 --> 02:09:51,492
Every offensive statement
is just trolling.

2379
02:09:51,492 --> 02:09:51,912
Low key.

2380
02:09:51,912 --> 02:09:52,392
Chill out.

2381
02:09:52,392 --> 02:09:53,352
You beta lived hard.

2382
02:09:53,352 --> 02:09:54,492
It's not that serious.

2383
02:09:55,227 --> 02:10:00,387
Except it is ambiguity allows the
state to obfuscate their crimes while

2384
02:10:00,387 --> 02:10:05,397
still exerting force, and it will exert
force on sycophants and supporters.

2385
02:10:05,667 --> 02:10:10,377
Eventually, there will be a breaking
point where it will fail to persuade as

2386
02:10:10,377 --> 02:10:13,377
it actively undermines its own legitimacy.

2387
02:10:13,467 --> 02:10:16,827
Historically, propaganda operated
on the assumption that power still

2388
02:10:16,827 --> 02:10:18,702
required some form of consistency.

2389
02:10:19,287 --> 02:10:22,797
It especially works when the
person or people in power are

2390
02:10:22,797 --> 02:10:26,547
popular, which right now is not
the case despite how it might feel.

2391
02:10:27,027 --> 02:10:30,507
Even when governments lied or
selectively framed reality.

2392
02:10:30,657 --> 02:10:33,957
There was still a narrative
that attempted plausibility.

2393
02:10:34,067 --> 02:10:37,847
Propaganda only works when it is
even loosely aligned with people's

2394
02:10:37,847 --> 02:10:39,647
lived experiences and respects.

2395
02:10:39,647 --> 02:10:44,777
The idea that authority is in
some way still serious and capable

2396
02:10:44,987 --> 02:10:48,437
you, you can't maintain that while
also posting AI lop of Trump.

2397
02:10:49,352 --> 02:10:52,022
Airdropping shit on protestors.

2398
02:10:52,112 --> 02:10:56,012
The old propaganda model assumed
audiences needed to be convinced, or at

2399
02:10:56,012 --> 02:11:01,172
least reassured lies had to be somewhat
coherent, and any contradictions had

2400
02:11:01,172 --> 02:11:03,182
to have some kind of explanation.

2401
02:11:03,392 --> 02:11:08,162
No matter the mental gymnastics propaganda
now just has to rely on repetition of

2402
02:11:08,162 --> 02:11:13,472
brain rot, insanity that fulfills the
most base animalistic impulses of owning

2403
02:11:13,472 --> 02:11:16,802
your ops in a delusional meconium fantasy.

2404
02:11:16,832 --> 02:11:20,162
The medium has changed the underlying
relationship between power and persuasion.

2405
02:11:20,402 --> 02:11:23,912
No one even attempts to convince and
openly contradicts what people can

2406
02:11:23,912 --> 02:11:25,802
see and experience for themselves.

2407
02:11:26,102 --> 02:11:29,762
They'll straight up lie right to your
face and tell you you didn't actually

2408
02:11:29,762 --> 02:11:33,932
see what you saw with your own two
eyes, or from six different camera

2409
02:11:33,932 --> 02:11:35,642
angles, and then make a fucking.

2410
02:11:35,897 --> 02:11:40,097
Top text, bottom text meme out of it,
calling you a domestic terrorist and not

2411
02:11:40,097 --> 02:11:43,997
even using the correct picture of the
person they're disparaging right now.

2412
02:11:43,997 --> 02:11:48,407
Lying badly is as performative a form
of dominance as posting workout videos

2413
02:11:48,407 --> 02:11:50,387
were not a single pull-up was achieved.

2414
02:11:50,687 --> 02:11:54,677
It doesn't matter if the audience
believes what they're being told, only

2415
02:11:54,677 --> 02:11:57,587
that they accept it like it's 1984.

2416
02:11:57,707 --> 02:12:01,247
The party told you to reject the
evidence of your eyes and ears.

2417
02:12:01,277 --> 02:12:03,857
It was their final most essential command.

2418
02:12:04,052 --> 02:12:08,372
The party doesn't have to justify
provocative or sensationalist

2419
02:12:08,372 --> 02:12:12,137
rhetoric when it is delivered via
mockery, humiliation, irony, and.

2420
02:12:12,732 --> 02:12:17,532
Eng Lord jokes, only Elon Musk would
retweet with the crying, laughing emoji.

2421
02:12:17,592 --> 02:12:22,002
It's a distraction that tests
boundaries to see how much incoherence,

2422
02:12:22,182 --> 02:12:26,922
cruelty, and absurdity the party
can normalize without resistance.

2423
02:12:26,922 --> 02:12:30,552
We're being conditioned through
desensitization from an administration

2424
02:12:30,552 --> 02:12:32,412
that's being run by toddlers.

2425
02:12:32,672 --> 02:12:36,572
Proving the theory that yes, in
fact, everyone is 12 years old now.

2426
02:12:36,682 --> 02:12:38,992
Antifa, over the last 10 years.

2427
02:12:39,757 --> 02:12:43,237
Unmasked an entire new
generation of fascists.

2428
02:12:43,687 --> 02:12:48,187
And you know, they revealed them to
be often men in positions of power,

2429
02:12:48,217 --> 02:12:53,707
politicians, teachers, professors,
soldiers, police officers, pastors,

2430
02:12:54,187 --> 02:12:58,717
doctors of therapists, people
in positions where they could do

2431
02:12:58,717 --> 02:13:01,762
real harm to their communities.

2432
02:13:02,287 --> 02:13:06,457
And I would argue that the work
Antifa did over the last 10 years was.

2433
02:13:06,772 --> 02:13:13,912
More significant than any law enforcement
investigation or academic study, or

2434
02:13:14,032 --> 02:13:17,722
they kind of outpaced the work that
the mainstream media was doing often.

2435
02:13:17,992 --> 02:13:23,302
And also, you know, anti, A's research
was the hidden hand behind thousands of

2436
02:13:23,302 --> 02:13:25,402
news stories, including some of my own.

2437
02:13:25,792 --> 02:13:30,172
And I think really were the basis
for like our understanding of

2438
02:13:30,172 --> 02:13:31,432
what was happening in America.

2439
02:13:32,152 --> 02:13:32,332
Well.

2440
02:13:33,247 --> 02:13:36,157
Uh, he was not exposed by his dog.

2441
02:13:36,157 --> 02:13:41,317
But I wonder if you could tell us the
story of one of the people who beat

2442
02:13:41,467 --> 02:13:45,517
Deandre Harris, who you mentioned
earlier, the African American man who

2443
02:13:45,517 --> 02:13:51,277
was, who's beating you witnessed during
the Unite the Right rally by a bunch of.

2444
02:13:51,627 --> 02:13:55,977
Far right militants,
anti-fascists set about to try

2445
02:13:55,977 --> 02:13:57,597
and identify who those men were.

2446
02:13:57,597 --> 02:14:01,407
I think there were six of them in
total, and one of them alluded,

2447
02:14:01,407 --> 02:14:03,447
identification, a man with a red beard.

2448
02:14:03,777 --> 02:14:08,017
Can you tell us about how his
identity was ultimately found?

2449
02:14:09,277 --> 02:14:10,477
Yeah, thanks for asking about that.

2450
02:14:10,507 --> 02:14:12,787
Um, this identification
took a lot of work.

2451
02:14:12,847 --> 02:14:20,677
Um, red Beard was a man seen in
footage in videos and photos from

2452
02:14:20,677 --> 02:14:24,037
Charlottesville, taking part in
the beating of Deandre Harris.

2453
02:14:24,397 --> 02:14:25,927
Um, most of the other men.

2454
02:14:26,962 --> 02:14:30,202
Involved in that beating were
identified and, and prosecuted.

2455
02:14:30,202 --> 02:14:33,112
But, you know, red Beard never was.

2456
02:14:33,112 --> 02:14:37,162
And he kind of became this like white
whale in, uh, anti-fascist circle.

2457
02:14:37,162 --> 02:14:39,412
Someone that everyone was
really trying to identify.

2458
02:14:39,952 --> 02:14:43,477
Um, initially a lot of kind
of like amateur internet slce.

2459
02:14:43,617 --> 02:14:43,837
Uh.

2460
02:14:44,902 --> 02:14:48,892
Tried to identify a red beard and they
ended up misidentifying a lot of people

2461
02:14:48,892 --> 02:14:51,412
with red beards, but anti-fascists.

2462
02:14:51,412 --> 02:14:54,802
You know, were careful never
to falsely identify someone.

2463
02:14:55,132 --> 02:14:57,802
Um, they were always
looking for red beard.

2464
02:14:58,282 --> 02:14:58,762
Um.

2465
02:14:59,422 --> 02:15:01,972
You know, the police
meanwhile also can't find him.

2466
02:15:02,122 --> 02:15:05,782
Uh, detective, uh, on the case
in Charlottesville ends up kind

2467
02:15:05,782 --> 02:15:09,772
of putting out a call for help,
um, but no one can can find him.

2468
02:15:10,252 --> 02:15:16,132
So eventually there's a group that
emerges, uh, on the five year anniversary

2469
02:15:16,132 --> 02:15:17,842
of Unite The Right in Charlottesville.

2470
02:15:17,842 --> 02:15:20,332
It's, and they call
themselves Ignite the Right.

2471
02:15:20,872 --> 02:15:23,387
So in 2022, they basically announced.

2472
02:15:24,112 --> 02:15:28,042
That they're starting a project
to identify each and every single

2473
02:15:28,042 --> 02:15:30,592
Nazi that was in Charlottesville
to hold them accountable.

2474
02:15:31,132 --> 02:15:35,272
Um, and their kind of operating slogan
is, we do not forgive, we do not forget.

2475
02:15:36,022 --> 02:15:40,822
And they kind of exhaust
a lot of their typical.

2476
02:15:41,587 --> 02:15:43,207
Avenues for investigating.

2477
02:15:43,597 --> 02:15:47,167
Um, you know, they can't find anything
about Red beard in, in, you know, in

2478
02:15:47,167 --> 02:15:49,567
Nazi chats and, and so on and so forth.

2479
02:15:50,107 --> 02:15:55,537
Um, and so they end up using a
facial recognition tool, and I think

2480
02:15:55,597 --> 02:15:59,557
it might sound a little jarring to
hear about, like leftists it using

2481
02:15:59,557 --> 02:16:00,752
facial recognition because you.

2482
02:16:01,462 --> 02:16:05,362
I think most leftists would have a lot
of problems with facial recognition.

2483
02:16:05,362 --> 02:16:08,662
You know, it's a kind of the
apotheosis of a surveillance state.

2484
02:16:08,662 --> 02:16:13,132
It's used in all kinds of ways that
are invasive and you know, the kind

2485
02:16:13,132 --> 02:16:17,782
of progenitors of that technology are
often billionaire fascists like Peter

2486
02:16:17,842 --> 02:16:19,432
Thiel and and so on and so forth.

2487
02:16:19,912 --> 02:16:22,492
But, you know, the way anti-fascists
look at it is that like.

2488
02:16:22,872 --> 02:16:25,722
The state law enforcement fascist,
they're, they're using facial

2489
02:16:25,722 --> 02:16:30,222
recognition against us and we can't
show up to a gunfight with a knife.

2490
02:16:30,612 --> 02:16:35,832
So they use the facial recognition,
they plug some photos in of Red Beard

2491
02:16:36,432 --> 02:16:38,322
to this facial recognition tool.

2492
02:16:38,802 --> 02:16:41,562
Incidentally, I am actually
in the photo with Red Beard.

2493
02:16:41,562 --> 02:16:42,342
I'm in the background.

2494
02:16:42,732 --> 02:16:52,722
They plug it in and they get a hit, and
the hit is a baby faced beardless soldier.

2495
02:16:52,792 --> 02:16:59,662
Yeah, in 2007, and that soldier is about
to shake the hand of George W. Bush,

2496
02:17:00,712 --> 02:17:06,952
and it turns out that the photo that
facial recognition found was a photo

2497
02:17:06,952 --> 02:17:12,082
of red beard before he had a beard
at all at Fort Benning in Georgia.

2498
02:17:12,817 --> 02:17:16,957
It looks like he's about to be sent
off to fight in one of President Bush's

2499
02:17:16,957 --> 02:17:19,237
wars to like in Iraq or Afghanistan.

2500
02:17:19,777 --> 02:17:24,097
And, um, Bush is actually at
the fort, uh, at this time.

2501
02:17:24,607 --> 02:17:28,147
It's kind of a publicity stunt to
announce his, uh, troop surge in Iraq.

2502
02:17:28,597 --> 02:17:29,947
So anti-fascists.

2503
02:17:29,947 --> 02:17:33,727
See this photo, they zoom in
on the name tag on the uniform,

2504
02:17:34,177 --> 02:17:36,217
but the name tag is blurry.

2505
02:17:36,637 --> 02:17:36,982
The one.

2506
02:17:38,092 --> 02:17:40,312
Photo where it might be in focus.

2507
02:17:40,312 --> 02:17:43,642
Uh, it's covered by Bush's arm,
reaching out to shake his hand.

2508
02:17:44,182 --> 02:17:46,672
So they try everything.

2509
02:17:46,672 --> 02:17:51,742
They try, you know, figuring out who
the other soldiers are in the photo

2510
02:17:51,742 --> 02:17:54,802
and see if they can contact them and
see if they know who red beard is.

2511
02:17:55,132 --> 02:17:56,992
But they kind of keep hitting dead ends.

2512
02:17:57,472 --> 02:17:58,537
Eventually they decide.

2513
02:17:59,737 --> 02:18:04,597
And, uh, this is where I ended up
playing a a bit role to file a foia,

2514
02:18:04,597 --> 02:18:07,987
request a public records request
to the George W. Bush Library in

2515
02:18:07,987 --> 02:18:12,997
Texas to get higher resolution
photos from Bush's visit that day.

2516
02:18:13,717 --> 02:18:15,877
We eventually get the photos back.

2517
02:18:17,167 --> 02:18:23,557
You can zoom in on the name tag and
sure enough there's a last name and

2518
02:18:23,557 --> 02:18:29,167
it's Heilman Now it's just a matter
of figuring out which Heilman it is.

2519
02:18:29,167 --> 02:18:33,577
In America, they pour through military
yearbooks, can't find anything.

2520
02:18:34,117 --> 02:18:37,417
You know, they go through public
records databases, looking for someone

2521
02:18:37,417 --> 02:18:42,397
who would be about 19 or 20 in 2017,
they're still kind of striking out.

2522
02:18:42,877 --> 02:18:45,997
Eventually they kind
of search social media.

2523
02:18:46,322 --> 02:18:47,012
Up and down.

2524
02:18:47,792 --> 02:18:51,332
And then one day they find a,
they see a Facebook account

2525
02:18:51,812 --> 02:18:53,762
with a man with a red beard.

2526
02:18:54,692 --> 02:18:57,902
They go through his photos and
there's photos of him in the

2527
02:18:57,902 --> 02:19:00,932
military, and it looks like he's
been sent overseas somewhere.

2528
02:19:01,897 --> 02:19:04,927
But the most interesting thing
they find is actually a meme.

2529
02:19:04,927 --> 02:19:07,447
He posts, and it's a meme of Bain.

2530
02:19:07,447 --> 02:19:11,317
The, the character, the villain from, uh,
the Dark Knight Rises the Batman movie.

2531
02:19:11,797 --> 02:19:16,687
And it's a, you know, Bain saying the,
the fire rises, which is kind of this

2532
02:19:16,927 --> 02:19:20,617
moment in the movie where he's kind
of talking about all the destruction

2533
02:19:20,617 --> 02:19:22,087
and death that's about to commence.

2534
02:19:22,177 --> 02:19:25,387
And the fire rises is kind
of like a slogan you hear on

2535
02:19:25,387 --> 02:19:26,377
the far right all the time.

2536
02:19:26,887 --> 02:19:31,057
But what's interesting about the
meme isn't so much the meme itself.

2537
02:19:31,612 --> 02:19:39,172
But where and when it was posted and
Red Beard had tagged his location on

2538
02:19:39,172 --> 02:19:42,862
August 12th, 2017 in Charlottesville.

2539
02:19:43,702 --> 02:19:47,272
And that's how anti-fascists
learned that Red beard was.

2540
02:19:47,272 --> 02:19:53,752
Uh, Jay Heilman I'm speaking with
Christopher Matthias about his book to

2541
02:19:53,752 --> 02:19:57,712
catch a fascist, the fight to expose
the radical right as a journalist.

2542
02:19:57,712 --> 02:19:58,612
He's been following.

2543
02:19:59,077 --> 02:20:02,137
Uh, anti-fascist organizing
for the last decade.

2544
02:20:02,137 --> 02:20:04,807
I'm Sasha Lily, and this
is Against the Grain.

2545
02:20:05,137 --> 02:20:06,187
So one of the.

2546
02:20:06,937 --> 02:20:12,277
Tactics of anti-fascists associated
with the term Antifa I've used

2547
02:20:12,337 --> 02:20:16,897
is to unmask and expose just
what you've been describing here.

2548
02:20:16,927 --> 02:20:22,567
And doxing of course, is something that
those on the far right also have done

2549
02:20:22,777 --> 02:20:28,717
to the left that is try to ruin their
lives to out them in various ways.

2550
02:20:28,987 --> 02:20:31,627
But I wanted to ask you about the left's.

2551
02:20:31,912 --> 02:20:38,032
An anti-fascist use of doxing against the
threat of people on the far right, people

2552
02:20:38,032 --> 02:20:40,702
who would bring and do bring violence.

2553
02:20:41,062 --> 02:20:47,122
How effective has this been as
a tactic to expose that somebody

2554
02:20:47,392 --> 02:20:49,822
is a member of a far right group?

2555
02:20:50,932 --> 02:20:54,382
You know, the argument that my book
makes is that it was an incredibly

2556
02:20:54,382 --> 02:20:56,212
effective tactic for a while.

2557
02:20:56,692 --> 02:21:00,082
You know, I think one of the more
significant stories is identity Europa.

2558
02:21:00,502 --> 02:21:05,152
Which is, like I described
earlier, kind of this suit and tie

2559
02:21:05,152 --> 02:21:08,452
fascist group that's making real
inroads with the Republican party.

2560
02:21:08,482 --> 02:21:14,062
You know, its members are,
uh, running for local offices.

2561
02:21:14,122 --> 02:21:18,742
Um, they are, you know, turning
up to republican town halls and

2562
02:21:19,222 --> 02:21:21,652
you know, trying to push the
party far further to the right.

2563
02:21:22,102 --> 02:21:28,132
Um, but you know, after about a
hundred of its members are doxed.

2564
02:21:29,092 --> 02:21:34,522
It becomes kind of untenable to keep
organizing the way they're organizing.

2565
02:21:34,972 --> 02:21:38,122
Um, you know, a lot of it's their
members end up getting fired or

2566
02:21:38,122 --> 02:21:39,622
kind of shunned from their families.

2567
02:21:40,132 --> 02:21:44,872
Um, and I think this is kind of the
important part of understanding why Antifa

2568
02:21:44,872 --> 02:21:49,372
does this as a tactic and why actually
throughout history, there's a long,

2569
02:21:49,372 --> 02:21:54,502
proud tradition of unmasking fascists,
of ripping the white hood off Klansmen.

2570
02:21:55,102 --> 02:21:56,842
And that's because what?

2571
02:21:57,382 --> 02:21:58,672
That unmasking does.

2572
02:21:58,672 --> 02:22:02,962
What it leverages is kind of
the existing societal taboo.

2573
02:22:03,592 --> 02:22:07,252
Against being an explicit white
supremacist or an explicit racist,

2574
02:22:07,252 --> 02:22:11,692
an explicit fascist, and it
leverages that taboo to create a

2575
02:22:11,692 --> 02:22:13,852
social cost for being a fascist.

2576
02:22:14,122 --> 02:22:18,352
It basically says, if you're gonna join
one of these groups, we're gonna find out.

2577
02:22:18,442 --> 02:22:19,822
We're gonna name and shame you.

2578
02:22:19,942 --> 02:22:22,492
Everyone you know is gonna know
that you're a part of this group.

2579
02:22:22,702 --> 02:22:25,492
You're gonna lose your job,
you're gonna lose your girlfriend.

2580
02:22:25,492 --> 02:22:26,812
You might get kicked outta your apartment.

2581
02:22:26,812 --> 02:22:28,552
Your family's gonna be ashamed of you.

2582
02:22:29,002 --> 02:22:30,967
Um, and you can see evidence of this.

2583
02:22:31,702 --> 02:22:36,712
At work after these Nazis are doxed,
they're internal chat messages where

2584
02:22:36,952 --> 02:22:39,472
they're talking about how awful it
is and how much they're struggling.

2585
02:22:39,982 --> 02:22:43,402
So I would argue that this tactic
did destroy groups like Identity

2586
02:22:43,402 --> 02:22:47,392
Europa It destroyed a lot of the
groups that were in Charlottesville.

2587
02:22:47,812 --> 02:22:48,292
Um.

2588
02:22:48,922 --> 02:22:52,042
And it makes it a lot harder
for these groups to organize.

2589
02:22:52,582 --> 02:22:57,292
Um, but what ends up happening though,
and it's kind of the animating question

2590
02:22:57,292 --> 02:23:02,332
of my book, is that, you know, as
fascist ideas are gaining, getting

2591
02:23:02,332 --> 02:23:08,032
more mainstream, um, across the nation
as, as Trump and, uh, the, the GOP

2592
02:23:08,032 --> 02:23:13,312
and the wider MAGA movement embrace
more explicit, uh, white supremacist,

2593
02:23:13,342 --> 02:23:16,372
uh, rhetoric and ideas, you know.

2594
02:23:16,882 --> 02:23:20,722
The animating question that kind
of haunts anti-fascist work in

2595
02:23:20,722 --> 02:23:23,932
anti-fascist doxing is like, what
happens when that taboo against

2596
02:23:23,932 --> 02:23:26,032
explicit white supremacy disappears?

2597
02:23:26,492 --> 02:23:29,612
And finally, section D,
authoritarian, curious.

2598
02:23:29,834 --> 02:23:33,464
Let's start with Galloway's Central
claim that women are biologically

2599
02:23:33,464 --> 02:23:37,604
programmed to engage in hyper gamy to
seek partners of higher economic status.

2600
02:23:37,724 --> 02:23:38,744
Here's what he gets wrong.

2601
02:23:38,924 --> 02:23:43,964
Women only married up when their economic
opportunities were legally and socially

2602
02:23:43,964 --> 02:23:46,874
restricted, and I mean systemically.

2603
02:23:47,154 --> 02:23:51,684
Restricted until 1974, banks
legally could refuse to issue

2604
02:23:51,684 --> 02:23:53,184
credit cards to unmarried women.

2605
02:23:53,244 --> 02:23:56,484
Until 1975, married women couldn't
open bank accounts without

2606
02:23:56,484 --> 02:23:57,624
their husband's permission.

2607
02:23:57,684 --> 02:24:02,664
In many states, women were barred from
jury duty in some states until 1973,

2608
02:24:02,724 --> 02:24:04,074
they couldn't get business loans.

2609
02:24:04,164 --> 02:24:06,414
They were legally excluded
from entire professions.

2610
02:24:06,414 --> 02:24:11,094
But what happens when you remove
those constraints when women have

2611
02:24:11,094 --> 02:24:12,984
actual economic opportunities?

2612
02:24:13,029 --> 02:24:16,239
The data tells a completely
different story than Scott

2613
02:24:16,239 --> 02:24:18,069
Galloway's hypergamy narrative.

2614
02:24:18,099 --> 02:24:21,849
According to Pew research center's 2019
study on marriage and cohabitation.

2615
02:24:22,149 --> 02:24:26,349
When women have economic independence,
they prioritize compatibility,

2616
02:24:26,529 --> 02:24:30,039
shared values, and emotional
intelligence over earning potential.

2617
02:24:30,099 --> 02:24:33,489
The study found that among college
educated women, the demographic that

2618
02:24:33,489 --> 02:24:39,224
Scott Galloway claims is the most
hypergamic Only 28% said that it was very

2619
02:24:39,224 --> 02:24:44,294
important that their spouse or partner
has a successful career compared to 46%.

2620
02:24:44,354 --> 02:24:49,994
In 1997, women's preferences shifted as
their economic opportunities expanded.

2621
02:24:50,114 --> 02:24:55,004
That's the opposite of biological hard
wiring, and here's the part that Galloway

2622
02:24:55,004 --> 02:24:57,674
consistently misrepresents the same.

2623
02:24:57,674 --> 02:25:01,754
Pew data shows that women care
about earning potential when

2624
02:25:01,754 --> 02:25:03,284
they're economically vulnerable.

2625
02:25:03,334 --> 02:25:06,124
Not as a universal biological preference.

2626
02:25:06,154 --> 02:25:09,574
Women in precarious economic
situations prioritize financial

2627
02:25:09,574 --> 02:25:10,654
stability and partners.

2628
02:25:10,864 --> 02:25:14,224
Women with economic security
prioritize other things.

2629
02:25:14,284 --> 02:25:18,874
That's not hypergamy That's a rational
economic response that applies

2630
02:25:18,874 --> 02:25:20,824
to everybody across all genders.

2631
02:25:20,884 --> 02:25:25,024
What Galloway calls hyper is
actually something sociologists call.

2632
02:25:25,379 --> 02:25:29,339
Assortative mating the tendency for
people to partner with others of similar

2633
02:25:29,339 --> 02:25:33,479
education and economic backgrounds,
and it affects both genders equally.

2634
02:25:33,689 --> 02:25:37,289
A 2017 study published in the
Journal of Demography found that

2635
02:25:37,289 --> 02:25:41,279
educational assortative mating has
increased for both men and women.

2636
02:25:41,519 --> 02:25:44,519
Since the 1960s, people with
college degrees partner with

2637
02:25:44,579 --> 02:25:45,929
other people with college degrees.

2638
02:25:45,959 --> 02:25:49,589
People without college degrees partner
with others without college degrees.

2639
02:25:49,649 --> 02:25:52,109
This isn't about women
refusing to date down.

2640
02:25:52,169 --> 02:25:56,819
It's about educational and economic
polarization, creating fewer cross

2641
02:25:56,819 --> 02:25:58,439
class partnerships for everyone.

2642
02:25:58,499 --> 02:26:03,119
Galloway's hypergamy argument is based
on historical patterns that were created

2643
02:26:03,119 --> 02:26:04,649
by legal restrictions on women's.

2644
02:26:05,044 --> 02:26:08,974
Economic participation and it
misrepresents modern data that

2645
02:26:08,974 --> 02:26:13,234
actually shows both genders engaging
in assortative mating based on

2646
02:26:13,294 --> 02:26:15,244
education and economic stability.

2647
02:26:15,334 --> 02:26:17,614
In short, his argument
is complete bullshit.

2648
02:26:17,704 --> 02:26:19,174
Now, let's talk about the contradiction.

2649
02:26:19,294 --> 02:26:23,014
Watch this clip from his interview
with Oprah, but just the fact that

2650
02:26:23,014 --> 02:26:27,184
you said your self-conscious or
aware enough to pour that energy

2651
02:26:27,394 --> 02:26:28,984
into really productive things.

2652
02:26:29,029 --> 02:26:30,979
It means you're gonna be fine.

2653
02:26:30,979 --> 02:26:34,159
I don't think romantic love is
the be all, end all for everybody.

2654
02:26:34,189 --> 02:26:35,449
It's really rewarding.

2655
02:26:35,659 --> 02:26:39,829
But I think you can find what I'll
call that sort of purpose, relational

2656
02:26:39,829 --> 02:26:43,549
love in a lot of different areas, and
the fact that you're even thinking

2657
02:26:43,549 --> 02:26:46,549
about how you channel that energy
into stuff that's more productive.

2658
02:26:46,849 --> 02:26:49,069
You're the role model
for young men right now.

2659
02:26:49,219 --> 02:26:51,859
You're, you're, you're, you're
being a productive human.

2660
02:26:51,859 --> 02:26:54,679
You're gonna be happy regardless
if you find that or not.

2661
02:26:54,679 --> 02:26:57,919
And I just wish more men
would take your lead.

2662
02:26:58,279 --> 02:27:01,489
And say, all right, maybe things
aren't working out for me romantically.

2663
02:27:01,549 --> 02:27:04,669
I'm gonna continue to work on
myself, gotta, I'm gonna pour that

2664
02:27:04,669 --> 02:27:06,619
energy into other relationships.

2665
02:27:06,979 --> 02:27:11,539
Now watch this clip that was from a
month before the Oprah interview, and

2666
02:27:11,539 --> 02:27:15,139
also on the far right while they confl
masculinity with corness and cruelty.

2667
02:27:15,139 --> 02:27:17,384
The far left answer to
the masculinity crisis.

2668
02:27:17,934 --> 02:27:20,334
Is to tell young men to
act more like a woman.

2669
02:27:20,454 --> 02:27:21,834
I don't think that's helpful either.

2670
02:27:21,924 --> 02:27:26,664
He's made similar statements in multiple
interviews that telling men to be more

2671
02:27:26,664 --> 02:27:30,804
emotionally expressive, more community
oriented, more focused on personal

2672
02:27:30,804 --> 02:27:35,784
development rather than economic dominance
is somehow insulting or inadequate.

2673
02:27:35,874 --> 02:27:37,734
Let's break down the logical problem here.

2674
02:27:37,769 --> 02:27:42,059
Galloway praises a woman for channeling
energy into career advancement,

2675
02:27:42,149 --> 02:27:46,409
deepening friendships and community
bonds, focusing on family relationships,

2676
02:27:46,649 --> 02:27:48,929
building a fulfilling life while single.

2677
02:27:48,959 --> 02:27:52,379
He presents this as healthy,
admirable, productive behavior.

2678
02:27:52,379 --> 02:27:52,559
But when.

2679
02:27:53,674 --> 02:27:58,474
The left suggests that young men might
also benefit from a similar strategy,

2680
02:27:58,504 --> 02:28:02,254
focusing on career development, building
strong friendships, investing in

2681
02:28:02,254 --> 02:28:07,024
community, creating meaningful lives that
aren't dependent on romantic partnership.

2682
02:28:07,114 --> 02:28:08,494
He calls that condescending.

2683
02:28:08,584 --> 02:28:12,184
So the exact same behavior is
admirable when women do it, but

2684
02:28:12,184 --> 02:28:13,789
insulting to suggest for men.

2685
02:28:14,029 --> 02:28:15,949
Here's what the contradiction reveals.

2686
02:28:16,009 --> 02:28:20,659
Galloway believes these adaptive
strategies are somehow gender specific.

2687
02:28:20,719 --> 02:28:25,069
He can't imagine them working for men
because his entire framework assumes that

2688
02:28:25,069 --> 02:28:30,709
men's primary crisis is lack of female
validation and partnership for women.

2689
02:28:30,789 --> 02:28:34,029
Being productively single is a
sign of strength and independence.

2690
02:28:34,029 --> 02:28:38,409
For men needing similar advice is
apparently an insult to their masculinity.

2691
02:28:38,439 --> 02:28:42,849
Galloway and other self-appointed
man crisis thought leaders like

2692
02:28:42,849 --> 02:28:45,039
Chris Williamson or Richard Reeves.

2693
02:28:45,129 --> 02:28:46,989
These guys do not care about young men.

2694
02:28:47,079 --> 02:28:51,729
They care about maintaining a
framework where male value is defined.

2695
02:28:51,849 --> 02:28:56,469
By female partnership and any suggestion
that men could build meaningful lives

2696
02:28:56,499 --> 02:29:00,549
outside of that framework is treated
as an attack on masculinity itself.

2697
02:29:00,579 --> 02:29:03,939
Which brings us to the real
problem with his entire worldview.

2698
02:29:04,029 --> 02:29:06,939
Galloway's contradictions
aren't accidental.

2699
02:29:06,969 --> 02:29:11,169
They reveal that he's not actually
interested in solutions for young men.

2700
02:29:11,199 --> 02:29:15,549
He's interested in restoring male
economic dominance as a basis.

2701
02:29:15,589 --> 02:29:16,609
For relationships.

2702
02:29:16,669 --> 02:29:18,319
Let me show you three ways this plays out.

2703
02:29:18,379 --> 02:29:23,299
First, Galloway treats male economic
struggle as uniquely catastrophic

2704
02:29:23,479 --> 02:29:27,799
while ignoring the fact that young
women in late stage capitalism face

2705
02:29:27,799 --> 02:29:31,519
the same challenges and women still
earn less than men in most fields.

2706
02:29:31,549 --> 02:29:36,285
The gender wage gap for full-time workers
is still 84 cents to every dollar in 2023.

2707
02:29:36,824 --> 02:29:40,754
According to Pew research, young women
face housing affordability, crises,

2708
02:29:40,784 --> 02:29:45,284
underemployment, and economic precarity
at similar or higher rates to young men.

2709
02:29:45,344 --> 02:29:48,704
But when women respond to economic
struggle by focusing on career

2710
02:29:48,704 --> 02:29:53,594
advancement, on community, and on personal
development, Galloway calls it admirable.

2711
02:29:53,654 --> 02:29:58,184
When men face similar struggles and need
and would benefit from similar advice,

2712
02:29:58,214 --> 02:30:00,709
suddenly it's a civilizational crisis.

2713
02:30:01,114 --> 02:30:05,764
Requiring systemic intervention to
restore male economic advantage.

2714
02:30:05,854 --> 02:30:06,394
Why?

2715
02:30:06,454 --> 02:30:10,954
Because his framework only works
if male struggle is treated as

2716
02:30:10,954 --> 02:30:14,254
categorically different and more
important than female struggle.

2717
02:30:14,314 --> 02:30:18,904
Second, Galloway's, hyper gmy argument
romanticizes an era when women's

2718
02:30:18,904 --> 02:30:20,914
economic dependence made them.

2719
02:30:20,974 --> 02:30:24,304
Available to men across
all economic classes.

2720
02:30:24,334 --> 02:30:26,824
Think about what his
argument actually suggests.

2721
02:30:26,914 --> 02:30:31,024
He claims women's hypergamy is
creating a crisis for men, but women

2722
02:30:31,114 --> 02:30:35,584
only consistently married up when
they had no other economic options.

2723
02:30:35,614 --> 02:30:39,994
So his framing of hypergamy as a
problem only makes sense if you

2724
02:30:39,994 --> 02:30:44,704
believe that relationships were better
when women needed men economically.

2725
02:30:44,749 --> 02:30:49,489
Now he claims that women's economic
independence is a good thing and that

2726
02:30:49,489 --> 02:30:55,489
he has no interest in dismantling it yet
he frames it as destabilizing to men.

2727
02:30:55,579 --> 02:30:59,539
It's a problem for men because it
changes dating market dynamics.

2728
02:30:59,599 --> 02:31:04,339
Galloway sees male value primarily
as economic and provider based.

2729
02:31:04,429 --> 02:31:08,954
He can't envision a masculinity that
isn't defined by economic dominance.

2730
02:31:09,254 --> 02:31:12,464
Over a woman, and you can't
imagine relationships based on

2731
02:31:12,464 --> 02:31:15,494
genuine compatibility rather
than economic necessity.

2732
02:31:15,554 --> 02:31:20,594
Third and most importantly, Galloway
offers no actual solutions because

2733
02:31:20,594 --> 02:31:22,724
his framework doesn't allow for any.

2734
02:31:22,814 --> 02:31:27,254
If the problem is that economically
independent women won't date economically

2735
02:31:27,254 --> 02:31:28,844
struggling men, what's his solution?

2736
02:31:29,294 --> 02:31:31,214
Force women back into economic dependence.

2737
02:31:31,654 --> 02:31:33,664
Of course he won't say this explicitly.

2738
02:31:33,724 --> 02:31:37,414
He pays lip service to the fact that
men need to step up emotionally and

2739
02:31:37,414 --> 02:31:38,974
pull their weight in domestic labor.

2740
02:31:39,004 --> 02:31:42,724
But regardless, that's the
logical endpoint of his argument.

2741
02:31:42,814 --> 02:31:45,994
Does he actually address the
economic inequality and lack of

2742
02:31:45,994 --> 02:31:49,264
opportunity that is affecting all
young people regardless of gender?

2743
02:31:49,384 --> 02:31:52,699
Not really, because that would
undermine his gender war framing.

2744
02:31:53,314 --> 02:31:57,544
Help men develop identities and find
fulfillment beyond the provider role.

2745
02:31:57,634 --> 02:32:01,414
He explicitly rejects this as
telling men to act like women.

2746
02:32:01,594 --> 02:32:05,074
Meanwhile, the solution that
Galloway dismisses as condescending

2747
02:32:05,134 --> 02:32:06,904
is exactly what we should be doing.

2748
02:32:06,964 --> 02:32:11,044
We should raise boys the
same way we raise girls.

2749
02:32:11,434 --> 02:32:13,839
After all, if men acted more like women.

2750
02:32:14,419 --> 02:32:17,569
They wouldn't be killing themselves
at the rates that they are men

2751
02:32:17,569 --> 02:32:21,589
account for 80% of suicide deaths
in the US according to the CD, C.

2752
02:32:21,679 --> 02:32:24,829
If men acted more like women, they
wouldn't spend so much time watching.

2753
02:32:24,829 --> 02:32:25,369
Porn.

2754
02:32:25,519 --> 02:32:28,489
Research shows that men consume
pornography at significantly

2755
02:32:28,489 --> 02:32:32,389
higher rates than women with
associated impacts on mental health

2756
02:32:32,389 --> 02:32:34,549
and relationship satisfaction.

2757
02:32:34,729 --> 02:32:36,289
If men acted more like women.

2758
02:32:36,569 --> 02:32:40,049
They wouldn't be buying guns and shooting
up schools at the rates that they are.

2759
02:32:40,229 --> 02:32:44,219
Men commit 98% of mass shootings in the
US according to the violence project.

2760
02:32:44,459 --> 02:32:49,919
And if men acted more like women, homicide
would not be the leading cause of death

2761
02:32:49,919 --> 02:32:52,109
for pregnant women in the United States.

2762
02:32:52,139 --> 02:32:55,649
According to a 2021 study published
in Obstetrics and Gynecology.

2763
02:32:56,239 --> 02:33:00,499
Homicide accounts for more deaths
among pregnant and postpartum women

2764
02:33:00,769 --> 02:33:03,049
than any pregnancy related cause.

2765
02:33:03,319 --> 02:33:07,369
And the vast majority of perpetrators
are male intimate partners.

2766
02:33:07,639 --> 02:33:11,689
So when Galloway dismisses the telling
men to act more like women advice

2767
02:33:11,689 --> 02:33:16,249
as condescending, what he's actually
dismissing is lower suicide rates,

2768
02:33:16,309 --> 02:33:20,119
less violence, better educational
outcomes, healthier relationship

2769
02:33:20,119 --> 02:33:22,819
patterns, and not killing pregnant women.

2770
02:33:22,909 --> 02:33:23,869
That's not condescending.

2771
02:33:23,869 --> 02:33:24,079
That's.

2772
02:33:24,154 --> 02:33:25,804
Life saving advice

2773
02:33:25,874 --> 02:33:28,964
What's important is the
extent of their followings.

2774
02:33:29,114 --> 02:33:32,744
It should be enough to note here
that Carlson's podcast always hovers

2775
02:33:32,744 --> 02:33:37,274
somewhere in the top 10, not just in the
political category, but in all podcasts.

2776
02:33:37,274 --> 02:33:40,274
By the way, he's likely the
most influential political

2777
02:33:40,274 --> 02:33:41,804
commentator in the world.

2778
02:33:42,194 --> 02:33:44,279
Curtis Yarvin is in many
ways, the most straight.

2779
02:33:44,529 --> 02:33:45,069
Forward.

2780
02:33:45,309 --> 02:33:50,049
He wants a Monarch, CEO, some
combination of Peter Thiel and Frederick.

2781
02:33:50,049 --> 02:33:54,729
The Great interpreted through the
reactionary thought of Thomas Carlyle

2782
02:33:55,119 --> 02:33:59,889
He has said, for example, that Americans
need to get over their dictator phobia.

2783
02:34:00,249 --> 02:34:04,929
Carl Benjamin Sargon of Akkad and
Lotus Eaters is probably the most

2784
02:34:04,929 --> 02:34:07,449
influential right of right nationalist.

2785
02:34:07,464 --> 02:34:08,364
In the uk.

2786
02:34:08,424 --> 02:34:12,774
He recently posted a video called
My Fool From Liberalism, which uses

2787
02:34:12,774 --> 02:34:18,054
language, which sounded a lot like the
far right aristocratic, traditionalist,

2788
02:34:18,054 --> 02:34:23,274
thinker, Julius Evola who Benjamin
had also discussed in previous videos.

2789
02:34:23,644 --> 02:34:29,394
Evola in turn, is someone who was
associated with classical fascism and

2790
02:34:29,394 --> 02:34:32,454
criticized it for being too democratic.

2791
02:34:32,494 --> 02:34:36,859
Evola is more of a. Authoritarian,
aristocratic, traditionalist

2792
02:34:36,859 --> 02:34:38,299
thinker than a fascist.

2793
02:34:38,599 --> 02:34:43,069
I admit I didn't watch much of Benjamin
himself, and I thought until recently he

2794
02:34:43,069 --> 02:34:48,259
was a kind of disaffected liberal thinker,
critical of immigration in the uk.

2795
02:34:48,589 --> 02:34:53,674
However, if you've read any Evola
You'll recognize much of his language

2796
02:34:53,734 --> 02:34:56,404
in some of Benjamin's recent videos.

2797
02:34:56,434 --> 02:35:00,514
Strange, esoteric critiques of
Kant's categorical imperative

2798
02:35:00,514 --> 02:35:04,654
as a criticism of individualism
in Western liberal societies.

2799
02:35:04,654 --> 02:35:06,574
For example, if you're reading.

2800
02:35:06,574 --> 02:35:09,194
Evola and citing the language.

2801
02:35:09,404 --> 02:35:13,784
It's fair, I think, to say
you are authoritarian curious.

2802
02:35:13,814 --> 02:35:17,804
Tucker Carlson is of course an
unbearable troll whose skepticism

2803
02:35:17,804 --> 02:35:19,124
about democracy runs deep.

2804
02:35:19,124 --> 02:35:21,194
I've talked about it in a previous video.

2805
02:35:21,464 --> 02:35:26,564
He will rarely state what he thinks and
is a master at just asking questions,

2806
02:35:26,744 --> 02:35:29,714
and I think he is, uh, legitimately.

2807
02:35:30,019 --> 02:35:30,679
Mad.

2808
02:35:30,859 --> 02:35:33,649
He is probably categorically insane.

2809
02:35:33,889 --> 02:35:36,679
He does though, leave enough
clues to what he thinks.

2810
02:35:36,679 --> 02:35:40,639
I read Tucker Carson's 2018 book,
shipper Fools some years ago now, and

2811
02:35:40,969 --> 02:35:46,039
in it right at the end, he writes,
hierarchy is quote the story of.

2812
02:35:46,164 --> 02:35:51,444
All human history, very few civilizations
have operated in any other way.

2813
02:35:51,714 --> 02:35:54,894
People naturally sort
themselves into hierarchies.

2814
02:35:55,194 --> 02:35:58,554
Those who have power defend
it from those who don't.

2815
02:35:58,794 --> 02:36:00,894
Rulers rule surfs a bay.

2816
02:36:01,134 --> 02:36:02,724
It's a familiar system.

2817
02:36:02,724 --> 02:36:06,024
We know it works 'cause it
has for thousands of years.

2818
02:36:06,294 --> 02:36:07,494
The new ingredient.

2819
02:36:07,764 --> 02:36:09,894
What makes our current moment so unstable?

2820
02:36:10,254 --> 02:36:11,574
It is democracy.

2821
02:36:12,324 --> 02:36:16,824
He continues, there are justifications
for suspending democracy.

2822
02:36:16,854 --> 02:36:20,274
Quote, if your voters can't
reach responsible conclusions,

2823
02:36:20,274 --> 02:36:21,354
you can't let them vote.

2824
02:36:21,564 --> 02:36:26,094
You don't give suffrage to irrational
populations for the same reason.

2825
02:36:26,094 --> 02:36:28,044
You wouldn't give firearms to toddlers.

2826
02:36:28,224 --> 02:36:30,684
They're not ready for the responsibility.

2827
02:36:31,179 --> 02:36:33,909
I mean, you don't really have
to read between the lines there.

2828
02:36:33,939 --> 02:36:37,929
It's this kind of view that leads to
Carlson support for liberal authoritarians

2829
02:36:37,929 --> 02:36:43,029
like Victor Orban, while also leaning
into the, uh, revisionist curious view of

2830
02:36:43,029 --> 02:36:45,694
history, particularly on World War ii and.

2831
02:36:46,119 --> 02:36:48,489
Fascism to take a few examples of this.

2832
02:36:48,489 --> 02:36:52,299
In a recent interview with Piers
Morgan Carlson remarked that Hitler

2833
02:36:52,299 --> 02:36:57,039
was focused on communists as the enemy
that Britain went to war voluntarily

2834
02:36:57,069 --> 02:36:59,109
and has been in decline ever since.

2835
02:36:59,199 --> 02:37:04,449
And he insinuated that Hitler would
have stopped at Poland maybe then.

2836
02:37:05,479 --> 02:37:08,059
We're on the wrong side of history.

2837
02:37:08,599 --> 02:37:13,039
All of this is well trodden ground
though when Carlson called the podcaster

2838
02:37:13,039 --> 02:37:17,779
Darryl Cooper, the best and most
honest, popular historian in the United

2839
02:37:17,779 --> 02:37:21,779
States and Cooper called Churchill,
the chief villain of World War ii.

2840
02:37:22,489 --> 02:37:27,799
Countless posts and podcasts, including
by top historians like Richard

2841
02:37:27,799 --> 02:37:30,349
Evans, picked apart the comments.

2842
02:37:30,349 --> 02:37:33,979
The authoritarian curious pattern
is always purposely vague but

2843
02:37:34,009 --> 02:37:38,719
identifiable nonetheless, poke
holes in the conventional story to

2844
02:37:38,719 --> 02:37:44,779
tip the scales in favor of at least
reconsidering the authoritarian position.

2845
02:37:45,229 --> 02:37:48,649
Cooper, for example, has only
released two episodes of his

2846
02:37:48,649 --> 02:37:50,569
podcast on the Germans war.

2847
02:37:50,839 --> 02:37:54,199
As of time of recording, I'll discuss
this at more length in the future.

2848
02:37:54,229 --> 02:37:58,729
I have a load of notes on Cooper and his
podcast, but only to say now that Cooper

2849
02:37:58,729 --> 02:38:04,279
is a genuinely great storyteller who, and
I can only make an educated guess at this

2850
02:38:04,279 --> 02:38:10,309
point, plays somewhat dishonestly with
the ordering emphasis and the narrat.

2851
02:38:10,479 --> 02:38:15,519
Of fascism in an authoritarian
curious way, and I'm not one for

2852
02:38:15,519 --> 02:38:19,899
judging someone on old tweets, but
tweeting things like democracy is

2853
02:38:19,899 --> 02:38:22,599
a disease, tyranny is the cure.

2854
02:38:22,599 --> 02:38:27,099
In 2019, might I humbly suggest bias?

2855
02:38:27,099 --> 02:38:27,939
Your reading of.

2856
02:38:28,004 --> 02:38:29,474
Historical sources.

2857
02:38:29,984 --> 02:38:33,914
Cooper's argument seems to be
that fascism is what happens

2858
02:38:33,914 --> 02:38:36,164
when the left goes too far.

2859
02:38:36,644 --> 02:38:42,134
Many of these figures are also curious
about a link between democracy and mass

2860
02:38:42,134 --> 02:38:47,324
migration that might, they are toying
around with need to be severed if.

2861
02:38:47,719 --> 02:38:50,419
Western civilization is to be saved.

2862
02:38:50,899 --> 02:38:51,529
Authoritarian.

2863
02:38:51,529 --> 02:38:55,939
Curious then for the uninitiated,
leans into literature like Oswald

2864
02:38:55,939 --> 02:38:58,219
Spengler's decline of the West.

2865
02:38:58,249 --> 02:39:02,389
Nick Fuentes is probably the most
influential of the extreme wing of the

2866
02:39:02,389 --> 02:39:07,739
curious, and you can see this little
group of authoritarian, curious, curious,

2867
02:39:07,819 --> 02:39:10,369
uh, trolls and simpletons around him.

2868
02:39:10,549 --> 02:39:14,269
According to Wick Equate 'cause I
refuse to watch endless Fuentes videos.

2869
02:39:14,269 --> 02:39:15,289
Fuentes has said.

2870
02:39:15,609 --> 02:39:18,549
Some of the following, I'm a reactionary.

2871
02:39:18,639 --> 02:39:20,259
I support autocracy.

2872
02:39:20,289 --> 02:39:21,939
You know what democracy has given us?

2873
02:39:22,059 --> 02:39:24,789
Obesity, divorce, abortion, gay marriage.

2874
02:39:24,909 --> 02:39:26,769
That's what democracy has given us.

2875
02:39:26,829 --> 02:39:28,179
Catholic autocracy.

2876
02:39:28,689 --> 02:39:29,439
Pretty strong.

2877
02:39:29,889 --> 02:39:31,869
We're okay with authoritarianism.

2878
02:39:31,929 --> 02:39:32,919
Hitler is awesome.

2879
02:39:32,919 --> 02:39:35,169
Hitler was right and the
Holocaust didn't happen.

2880
02:39:35,259 --> 02:39:39,879
This is a man who met with the
President of the United States, has

2881
02:39:39,879 --> 02:39:43,869
appeared repeatedly on some of the
biggest political podcasts in the

2882
02:39:43,869 --> 02:39:48,609
world, and as a legion of Groyper
followers who are becoming a major

2883
02:39:48,609 --> 02:39:50,979
mainstream force in US politics.

2884
02:39:51,669 --> 02:39:54,969
What all of this amounts
to is a toying with.

2885
02:39:55,144 --> 02:40:00,784
Fascism and more benign forms of
authoritarianism to see what parts

2886
02:40:00,784 --> 02:40:06,034
of liberal democracy might be, could
be remodeled in some way, rethought.

2887
02:40:06,094 --> 02:40:10,504
Furthermore, all of this often aligns with
the resurgence of interest in Christianity

2888
02:40:10,504 --> 02:40:15,304
and Christian nationalism, the
criticism of movements like new atheism.

2889
02:40:15,504 --> 02:40:19,374
Some of the well-trodden, but
largely forgotten debates about the

2890
02:40:19,554 --> 02:40:24,714
relationship between Christendom
secular authority and authoritarianism.

2891
02:40:24,984 --> 02:40:29,964
You find that in someone like Carl
Schmitt's political theology, for example.

2892
02:40:30,534 --> 02:40:33,114
There are many other influential figures.

2893
02:40:33,414 --> 02:40:37,314
People like Bronze Age pervert,
the liberal authoritarian.

2894
02:40:37,604 --> 02:40:41,984
Politicians and intellectuals around
the world, and if we broaden our

2895
02:40:41,984 --> 02:40:47,714
view from authoritarian on the right,
there are also post liberals and

2896
02:40:47,714 --> 02:40:52,034
Stalinists and Hindu nationalists
and the Chinese Communist Party.

2897
02:40:52,834 --> 02:40:55,354
Et cetera, et cetera, so on, so on.

2898
02:40:55,444 --> 02:40:59,974
There is a history of this revisionism
through people like Irving and Buchanan.

2899
02:41:00,394 --> 02:41:04,654
Uh, many influential books like
Deneen's why Liberalism Failed.

2900
02:41:04,804 --> 02:41:10,264
There is quite a rich thread since
World War ii, and this context is a

2901
02:41:10,264 --> 02:41:15,874
good reason why so many would register
concern when the richest man in the world.

2902
02:41:16,109 --> 02:41:20,519
And the most influential political
operative of the moment both seem to

2903
02:41:20,519 --> 02:41:25,889
throw Sieg Heils to crowds on Trump's
reelection, trolling red meats.

2904
02:41:25,889 --> 02:41:27,209
Ironic, genuine, whatever.

2905
02:41:28,509 --> 02:41:31,689
Authoritarian curiosity is in the air.

2906
02:41:31,899 --> 02:41:34,029
But here's a surprising final twist.

2907
02:41:34,359 --> 02:41:38,649
I've come to agree with some of these
figures on something fundamental.

2908
02:41:39,129 --> 02:41:45,399
A popular hollywoodized narrative of the
20th century is freedom versus tyranny.

2909
02:41:45,699 --> 02:41:47,649
Good versus evil.

2910
02:41:47,829 --> 02:41:52,779
Linear, inevitable progress
is woefully simplistic.

2911
02:41:53,084 --> 02:41:58,304
Dangerously inadequate and in fact
has done more harm than good for

2912
02:41:58,304 --> 02:42:03,104
our historical understanding of
ourselves, our present, and our future.

2913
02:42:03,554 --> 02:42:08,684
We too often take authoritarian
curiosity as something ridiculous,

2914
02:42:08,864 --> 02:42:14,534
unintellectual clownish, even without
seeking to truly understand the

2915
02:42:14,534 --> 02:42:20,264
reasons and the intellectual history
that underpins and legitimates it.

2916
02:42:20,825 --> 02:42:23,945
Nick refers to himself as
an independent journalist.

2917
02:42:24,215 --> 02:42:25,505
He won't comb through data.

2918
02:42:25,535 --> 02:42:27,485
He won't read studies, present stats.

2919
02:42:27,725 --> 02:42:30,605
His analysis doesn't stand up
to scrutiny, and he struggles

2920
02:42:30,605 --> 02:42:32,285
during sit down interviews.

2921
02:42:32,675 --> 02:42:35,220
He don't even watch his friend's
videos to see what they say.

2922
02:42:35,830 --> 02:42:41,320
But I thought that was kind of messed
up of you to not publicly denounce

2923
02:42:41,590 --> 02:42:42,970
what happened to Charlie Kirk.

2924
02:42:43,000 --> 02:42:43,450
I did.

2925
02:42:43,660 --> 02:42:45,670
I never saw anything on Instagram.

2926
02:42:45,670 --> 02:42:46,990
I actually checked, what
am I supposed to say?

2927
02:42:47,320 --> 02:42:48,700
You never shared anything.

2928
02:42:48,910 --> 02:42:50,860
I interviewed the guy who was
debating him while it happened.

2929
02:42:50,900 --> 02:42:53,120
And I mentioned a bunch of times
that it was horrible and it went

2930
02:42:53,120 --> 02:42:57,080
represented like a, the one of the
worst pivots in American politics ever.

2931
02:42:57,140 --> 02:42:59,900
And I didn't even watch the interview
'cause I didn't want to watch that.

2932
02:43:00,110 --> 02:43:02,480
Surely he can't be this dumb.

2933
02:43:02,840 --> 02:43:06,440
When Andrew Callahan of Channel five
on YouTube asked Nick if he thought

2934
02:43:06,440 --> 02:43:10,610
his Minneapolis expose was being used
to distract from the Epstein files.

2935
02:43:10,810 --> 02:43:14,020
Which dropped on or around the
same day, December 16th that

2936
02:43:14,020 --> 02:43:15,250
the Epstein Fowls dropped.

2937
02:43:16,030 --> 02:43:17,020
He didn't know.

2938
02:43:17,170 --> 02:43:20,140
You're trying to say that it was some
coordinated attack to get people's eyes

2939
02:43:20,140 --> 02:43:24,640
away from Epstein, but the majority
of the traffic, it has over 600 thou,

2940
02:43:24,670 --> 02:43:26,410
I think it has over 600,000 likes.

2941
02:43:26,470 --> 02:43:29,770
So it wasn't just Elon Musk
who's sharing the video, it was

2942
02:43:29,770 --> 02:43:32,590
everyday Americans who were showing
that video 'cause they're sick.

2943
02:43:32,620 --> 02:43:37,510
I'm not sure of how Elon Musk sharing
Nick's video, refute the distract

2944
02:43:37,510 --> 02:43:40,420
from the Epstein files thing,
let alone answers the question.

2945
02:43:41,200 --> 02:43:42,040
And neither does he.

2946
02:43:42,370 --> 02:43:46,360
Hasan Piker saw this next clip and
said, amongst other things, this

2947
02:43:46,360 --> 02:43:50,620
is the guy that the VP defended
as worthy of a Pulitzer America is

2948
02:43:50,620 --> 02:43:52,450
committing intellectual suicide.

2949
02:43:52,945 --> 02:43:57,265
We are so cooked, you think are the
three most benevolent billionaires.

2950
02:43:57,385 --> 02:43:59,035
What do you mean by the word benevolent?

2951
02:43:59,125 --> 02:44:02,605
Just well-intentioned, positive
billionaires who you think are creating,

2952
02:44:02,965 --> 02:44:05,035
you know, net positive societal progress.

2953
02:44:05,125 --> 02:44:07,945
His first response was Trump, by the way.

2954
02:44:08,065 --> 02:44:10,465
And yeah, more mispronunciations.

2955
02:44:10,645 --> 02:44:13,675
Those who base intelligence on
grammar and syntax better keep that

2956
02:44:13,675 --> 02:44:15,565
same energy for little Nikki here.

2957
02:44:16,015 --> 02:44:17,095
The devil's in the details.

2958
02:44:17,125 --> 02:44:19,285
Oh, and he replied to Hassan with.

2959
02:44:19,700 --> 02:44:21,200
Never said I'm a genius.

2960
02:44:21,470 --> 02:44:24,200
Hassan never said he was a genius either.

2961
02:44:24,350 --> 02:44:28,880
And if you were talking about intellectual
suicide, maybe start with using

2962
02:44:28,880 --> 02:44:31,010
proper punctuation in your sentences.

2963
02:44:31,070 --> 02:44:34,100
And I know he ain't talking
if you didn't notice.

2964
02:44:34,190 --> 02:44:37,100
Nick is wearing a hoodie that says
Quality Learning Center, but the

2965
02:44:37,100 --> 02:44:39,080
word learning is missing an end.

2966
02:44:39,350 --> 02:44:42,410
It comes from a daycare sign
in Minnesota, and I know.

2967
02:44:43,195 --> 02:44:48,475
He ain't talking, but Nick sure is proud
to make light of their mistake and you

2968
02:44:48,475 --> 02:44:54,085
should know that satire is his thing
because I do not believe that by, I

2969
02:44:54,085 --> 02:44:59,065
do not believe by making satire on the
internet commits a crime by any means.

2970
02:45:00,265 --> 02:45:00,295
Okay.

2971
02:45:00,295 --> 02:45:02,155
Me going back, this is a huge revelation.

2972
02:45:02,155 --> 02:45:07,855
So you were actually doing satire
in that post, so it was satire.

2973
02:45:08,815 --> 02:45:13,345
Uh, is there anything wrong with satire
one 800 fraud to report this imposter?

2974
02:45:13,555 --> 02:45:16,045
That was Caitlyn Robertson
confronting Nick about his

2975
02:45:16,045 --> 02:45:19,015
$175 billion goes a long way.

2976
02:45:19,285 --> 02:45:23,455
This is in the capital of Ukraine
post promoting his own video where

2977
02:45:23,455 --> 02:45:27,145
he claimed that American taxpayers
are funding a Ferris wheel, coffee

2978
02:45:27,145 --> 02:45:32,245
breaks and fancy cars, which proves
that there isn't currently a war in.

2979
02:45:33,295 --> 02:45:35,215
Whichever city he was in.

2980
02:45:35,365 --> 02:45:36,685
Where did you go with East Ukraine?

2981
02:45:37,525 --> 02:45:42,385
I went to Is isn't Bucha East
Ukraine or I went somewhere

2982
02:45:42,565 --> 02:45:45,775
where there was Bucha, was Bucha.

2983
02:45:45,955 --> 02:45:49,495
Not that he tweets too often, but
natural sure had yet to even mention

2984
02:45:49,495 --> 02:45:51,865
satire on Twitter as of me writing this.

2985
02:45:51,865 --> 02:45:56,455
So Kailynn will go on to say that Nick
reverted to what many propagandists do,

2986
02:45:56,785 --> 02:45:59,185
making themselves out to be victims.

2987
02:45:59,305 --> 02:46:01,855
I can show you an example
from their interview, but.

2988
02:46:02,650 --> 02:46:04,330
Of course there are others.

2989
02:46:04,420 --> 02:46:05,290
They came after me.

2990
02:46:05,290 --> 02:46:06,460
They came after my family.

2991
02:46:06,460 --> 02:46:07,060
They doxed.

2992
02:46:07,360 --> 02:46:08,830
They doxed my entire family.

2993
02:46:08,860 --> 02:46:10,600
How did they come after you Be specific.

2994
02:46:11,230 --> 02:46:12,580
Well, they tried to come after me.

2995
02:46:12,580 --> 02:46:15,730
They tried to debunk all
my, my whole entire story.

2996
02:46:16,360 --> 02:46:17,950
They then, who's they?

2997
02:46:18,460 --> 02:46:21,880
The all the news would
just get more specific.

2998
02:46:21,880 --> 02:46:22,630
CCNN.

2999
02:46:22,660 --> 02:46:25,810
Who Within C-N-C-B-S,
um, who's the reporter?

3000
02:46:26,050 --> 02:46:27,130
I don't even know her name.

3001
02:46:27,130 --> 02:46:28,420
'cause she's irrelevant.

3002
02:46:28,480 --> 02:46:29,350
Nobody knows who she is.

3003
02:46:29,375 --> 02:46:32,680
Debunking his whole entire
story is going after him.

3004
02:46:32,860 --> 02:46:35,860
He must think that community
notes are oppressive and, hey,

3005
02:46:36,250 --> 02:46:39,820
he didn't know the woman's name
at CNN because as a journalist.

3006
02:46:40,225 --> 02:46:45,235
He didn't look it up, and if it is
true that she's irrelevant, then why is

3007
02:46:45,235 --> 02:46:46,795
he bringing it up in the first place?

3008
02:46:46,795 --> 02:46:49,795
Besides, I think he's talking about her.

3009
02:46:50,005 --> 02:46:53,395
I wasn't trying to go inside and they,
there should be a way for somebody to

3010
02:46:53,510 --> 02:46:55,015
actually be able to call that number
and somebody to be able to answer.

3011
02:46:55,015 --> 02:46:57,415
These aren't real businesses,
but surely you don't think a

3012
02:46:57,415 --> 02:46:59,095
daycare should just be unlocked.

3013
02:46:59,095 --> 02:47:00,685
You shouldn't be able to
just walk into a daycare.

3014
02:47:00,685 --> 02:47:01,190
It shouldn't be a reception.

3015
02:47:01,820 --> 02:47:02,510
It's a reception.

3016
02:47:03,175 --> 02:47:04,495
Every daycare is locked.

3017
02:47:04,510 --> 02:47:05,260
It has.

3018
02:47:05,260 --> 02:47:08,230
Their doors are locked and to a,
okay, you bring up a fair point.

3019
02:47:08,320 --> 02:47:10,240
Then why can't they
actually gimme information?

3020
02:47:10,240 --> 02:47:14,170
How to enroll a child, Whitney,
wild law enforcement correspondent?

3021
02:47:14,680 --> 02:47:15,850
See how easy that is?

3022
02:47:16,240 --> 02:47:20,140
Nick really can't truly believe that
going to daycares during off hours,

3023
02:47:20,230 --> 02:47:24,040
pulling on locked doors, complaining
about blacked out windows, rolling with

3024
02:47:24,040 --> 02:47:26,920
like four men with no child of theirs.

3025
02:47:26,920 --> 02:47:28,990
Insight to enroll them into daycare.

3026
02:47:29,200 --> 02:47:32,830
Blurring out important messages
on said daycare's, doors without.

3027
02:47:33,250 --> 02:47:37,720
Looking at or showing a
single stat is uncovering $110

3028
02:47:37,720 --> 02:47:40,420
million of fraud in one day.

3029
02:47:40,570 --> 02:47:41,170
Seriously, surely.

3030
02:47:42,385 --> 02:47:43,825
He can't be this dumb.

3031
02:47:44,425 --> 02:47:46,345
I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt.

3032
02:47:46,375 --> 02:47:51,565
However, his fans, subscribers, and
supporters, they're buying all this

3033
02:47:51,565 --> 02:47:55,105
nonsense, which lets me know that the
price for entry into the right wing,

3034
02:47:55,105 --> 02:47:58,705
influencer, journalist, ecosphere, is low.

3035
02:47:59,245 --> 02:48:03,085
They barely have to say anything
of value for their viewers

3036
02:48:03,135 --> 02:48:08,335
Ash, should we care about
these idiots singing Heil

3037
02:48:08,355 --> 02:48:11,145
Hitler in a nightclub in Miami?

3038
02:48:12,030 --> 02:48:16,260
Of course say, Michael, that
clip was one of the saddest

3039
02:48:16,260 --> 02:48:19,770
things I've ever seen in my life.

3040
02:48:20,130 --> 02:48:21,600
Like you just had these.

3041
02:48:22,755 --> 02:48:29,265
Desperate, thirsty men who would literally
do anything for attention in a club

3042
02:48:29,295 --> 02:48:36,135
where nobody is dancing, surrounded
by completely disinterested girls

3043
02:48:36,735 --> 02:48:38,505
trying to look like they're having.

3044
02:48:39,150 --> 02:48:43,950
The absolute time of their
lives, but somehow it's unable

3045
02:48:43,950 --> 02:48:45,870
to really reach their eyes.

3046
02:48:45,870 --> 02:48:48,750
Like you can sort of see the cry for help.

3047
02:48:48,750 --> 02:48:51,900
That's just like screaming
behind the irises.

3048
02:48:52,530 --> 02:48:58,740
Um, you know, obviously these are,
are people who promote and spread.

3049
02:48:59,325 --> 02:49:04,125
Poisonous messages and ideologies, but I
think the real reason why they do it, I

3050
02:49:04,125 --> 02:49:08,235
mean, there are greater and lesser degrees
of actual ideological commitment amongst

3051
02:49:08,235 --> 02:49:12,045
that group of individuals, but all of
them are brought there because they're so

3052
02:49:12,045 --> 02:49:18,855
thirsty for attention that would literally
do anything for likes and follows.

3053
02:49:18,915 --> 02:49:21,405
I mean, it's kind of pathetic.

3054
02:49:21,825 --> 02:49:25,605
And you know, you, you talked
about that individual, um.

3055
02:49:25,945 --> 02:49:31,880
Clavicular um, who's being held up
by, uh, Nick Fuentes, by as everything

3056
02:49:31,880 --> 02:49:33,800
that a western man is supposed to be.

3057
02:49:34,310 --> 02:49:39,740
He literally smashed like his own
facial bones in because he thought

3058
02:49:39,740 --> 02:49:41,570
it would make him better looking.

3059
02:49:41,810 --> 02:49:47,570
He's taken so much testosterone for
so many years that he has rendered

3060
02:49:47,570 --> 02:49:52,430
himself in fertile 'cause his body
can't naturally produce testosterone.

3061
02:49:52,790 --> 02:49:53,630
So it's just.

3062
02:49:54,555 --> 02:50:00,345
It's this collection of attention hungry
men, at least one of whom is shooting

3063
02:50:00,345 --> 02:50:05,025
blanks, and they're trying to be, you
know, the Uber mensch they're supposed

3064
02:50:05,025 --> 02:50:06,885
to be what we were all afraid of.

3065
02:50:06,885 --> 02:50:10,095
That's supposed to be the
pinnacle of Western masculinity.

3066
02:50:10,340 --> 02:50:15,885
Like, like, I'm just sad for them,
like, and genuinely really sad for them.

3067
02:50:16,440 --> 02:50:21,510
So the, the looks maxing thing is,
so it came from incel culture, right?

3068
02:50:21,510 --> 02:50:26,340
And so it's to say if you are a
kind of dweeby man, um, that women

3069
02:50:26,340 --> 02:50:31,140
don't wanna sleep with, then you
need to take agency and take extreme

3070
02:50:31,140 --> 02:50:33,000
measures to make yourself attractive.

3071
02:50:33,450 --> 02:50:35,820
So for this guy, it was,
I'm on his TikTok now.

3072
02:50:35,820 --> 02:50:37,200
You can see his sort of before and after.

3073
02:50:37,200 --> 02:50:38,670
For this guy, he was a bit weedy.

3074
02:50:39,005 --> 02:50:40,445
And he didn't have great cheekbone.

3075
02:50:40,445 --> 02:50:43,445
So then he injects himself
with testosterone from age 14.

3076
02:50:43,685 --> 02:50:48,725
And as you said, he sort of breaks his
facial features so that they can sort of

3077
02:50:49,085 --> 02:50:52,775
get bigger or sort of more, more angular.

3078
02:50:54,335 --> 02:50:55,385
What's going on here?

3079
02:50:55,415 --> 02:50:57,335
'cause I mean, we talk about
how many people follow these.

3080
02:50:57,485 --> 02:51:00,035
How many people do you think are
following these people like out of

3081
02:51:00,035 --> 02:51:03,695
irony, or how many people are following
them because they actually think

3082
02:51:03,695 --> 02:51:06,365
what they're saying is like legit?

3083
02:51:06,645 --> 02:51:09,135
I think there's a,
there's a spectrum, right?

3084
02:51:09,135 --> 02:51:12,915
Some people are drawn in because
it's a form of spectacle.

3085
02:51:13,185 --> 02:51:16,185
You are looking because everyone
else is looking the way in which

3086
02:51:16,185 --> 02:51:19,635
people slow down when they're
passing a car, crash on the motorway.

3087
02:51:20,085 --> 02:51:23,325
There are some people who are
drawn to men like this because

3088
02:51:23,325 --> 02:51:25,185
they project an image of success.

3089
02:51:25,635 --> 02:51:29,625
Um, social media, you
know, digital immersion.

3090
02:51:30,015 --> 02:51:32,150
We know that these are things
which make people feel.

3091
02:51:32,940 --> 02:51:37,140
Even a lower sense of self-worth
than they already had.

3092
02:51:37,140 --> 02:51:40,200
So they're drawn to these men because they
felt a lower sense of self-worth and then

3093
02:51:40,200 --> 02:51:42,210
everything they see like deepens that.

3094
02:51:42,510 --> 02:51:46,050
And then there are some people who are
actually truly ideologically committed.

3095
02:51:46,440 --> 02:51:51,480
Um, also, sorry, I forgot one other
aspect to it, which is that sort of

3096
02:51:52,080 --> 02:51:56,970
performative transgression of like,
look at us, we're saying the unsayable,

3097
02:51:56,970 --> 02:51:58,560
we're playing Heil Hitler in the club.

3098
02:51:58,920 --> 02:52:00,600
I think that there's always been.

3099
02:52:01,035 --> 02:52:05,475
You know, an audience for that kind of
thing, because they see it as iconoclastic

3100
02:52:05,475 --> 02:52:07,995
or they see it as edgy in some way.

3101
02:52:08,475 --> 02:52:14,445
Um, but again, it is, I think, I
think it's really sad that people

3102
02:52:14,445 --> 02:52:18,855
feel so undesirable and so unlovable
that they would take instructions

3103
02:52:18,855 --> 02:52:23,865
of any kind from the most loveless
motherfuckers on the planet.

3104
02:52:23,925 --> 02:52:26,385
I mean, you know, do.

3105
02:52:26,940 --> 02:52:31,260
You look at in particular, like the
disinterest of the women around them.

3106
02:52:31,260 --> 02:52:36,690
I mean, these are guys who are supposed
to be like fending them off with barge

3107
02:52:36,690 --> 02:52:40,170
poles and those girls are only there.

3108
02:52:40,170 --> 02:52:40,590
What.

3109
02:52:41,220 --> 02:52:45,480
Um, at best because they wanna
be in the videos themselves.

3110
02:52:45,480 --> 02:52:47,520
They wanna accrue a
following for themselves.

3111
02:52:47,580 --> 02:52:48,600
At worst, maybe.

3112
02:52:48,660 --> 02:52:50,610
'cause they've, they've
been paid to be there.

3113
02:52:51,000 --> 02:52:54,210
Um, and I'm not, I'm not
exaggerating, um, about that.

3114
02:52:54,210 --> 02:52:56,760
I mean, that's not something which
I have any particular evidence

3115
02:52:56,760 --> 02:52:58,830
for, for the girls in those videos.

3116
02:52:59,520 --> 02:53:03,390
But there have been multiple sex workers
who've come out and said, oh yeah, you

3117
02:53:03,390 --> 02:53:07,470
know, all those images that you see of
those like, you know, pickup artists

3118
02:53:07,470 --> 02:53:13,170
and, you know, in sale influences of, you
know, girls surrounding them on a yacht.

3119
02:53:13,260 --> 02:53:14,490
You know, I was one of those girls.

3120
02:53:14,490 --> 02:53:15,480
I was paid to be there.

3121
02:53:15,840 --> 02:53:17,280
Um, there was such a deep.

3122
02:53:17,865 --> 02:53:21,255
Loneliness in that image of success,
which I just think, like, it

3123
02:53:21,255 --> 02:53:22,845
makes me feel really bummed out.

3124
02:53:22,845 --> 02:53:26,175
I mean, maybe it's just the,
you know, point in my hormonal

3125
02:53:26,175 --> 02:53:29,445
cycle that I'm at Michael, but
that stuff makes me wanna cry.

3126
02:53:30,105 --> 02:53:30,195
Hmm.

3127
02:53:30,195 --> 02:53:32,925
I suppose the final thing I
wanna talk about, you know,

3128
02:53:32,925 --> 02:53:33,735
it's not gonna cheer you up.

3129
02:53:33,735 --> 02:53:38,715
This one, um, is I suppose what
worries me about this is at the

3130
02:53:38,715 --> 02:53:42,675
moment you do have a lot of sort
of organized political movements

3131
02:53:42,675 --> 02:53:47,250
talking about things like remigration
In Europe, um, in America as well.

3132
02:53:47,850 --> 02:53:54,360
And there has been since the Second
World War, a taboo about the Nazis,

3133
02:53:54,660 --> 02:53:57,450
which means that if the Nazis did
it, you probably shouldn't do it.

3134
02:53:57,660 --> 02:53:57,840
Right.

3135
02:53:57,840 --> 02:54:04,245
And, and I think that has been
a bit of a. Limit on what is

3136
02:54:04,305 --> 02:54:08,295
sort of politically acceptable
and, and doable ever since then.

3137
02:54:08,295 --> 02:54:13,275
So sort of things like eugenics, which
before the Second World War sort of,

3138
02:54:13,305 --> 02:54:15,915
there would be sort of progressives
and conservatives, and this was just

3139
02:54:15,915 --> 02:54:18,645
sort of something that was talked
about in, in, in mainstream debate.

3140
02:54:19,005 --> 02:54:24,495
Um, things like racial science, um,
things like remigration and sort of

3141
02:54:24,495 --> 02:54:26,205
trying to have some form of racial purity.

3142
02:54:26,505 --> 02:54:28,785
All of these ideas which were.

3143
02:54:29,220 --> 02:54:31,080
You know, discussed much more widely.

3144
02:54:31,725 --> 02:54:33,045
Before the Second World War.

3145
02:54:33,075 --> 02:54:35,355
I mean, you could argue that they
were already going out, but it

3146
02:54:35,355 --> 02:54:39,285
was, they were, they were arguments
and ideas that you could express.

3147
02:54:39,915 --> 02:54:44,415
And then after the Second World War,
there was just this massive idea that

3148
02:54:44,415 --> 02:54:46,125
the worst thing you can be is a Nazi.

3149
02:54:46,725 --> 02:54:52,845
And if your idea looks a lot like what
the Nazis believed, and if you can

3150
02:54:52,845 --> 02:54:55,485
sort of plausibly draw a connection
between that belief and then the

3151
02:54:55,485 --> 02:54:58,725
Holocaust, um, probably that's
the kind of politics we shouldn't

3152
02:54:58,725 --> 02:55:00,975
explore anymore, that we should, uh.

3153
02:55:01,590 --> 02:55:02,370
Try and shun.

3154
02:55:02,940 --> 02:55:06,870
And I think at the moment you've got
this, this moment where you've got

3155
02:55:06,870 --> 02:55:10,080
these idiots who you, they're not
particularly intellectually interesting,

3156
02:55:10,080 --> 02:55:15,150
but on the cultural side, they're
sort of breaking the Nazi taboo.

3157
02:55:15,510 --> 02:55:19,080
So it's, it's it, it's sort of, is
it funny, is it not, you know, it's

3158
02:55:19,080 --> 02:55:24,300
kind of edge lording, but the idea
of being a young person identifying

3159
02:55:24,300 --> 02:55:27,750
with Hitler seems to be becoming more.

3160
02:55:29,070 --> 02:55:30,030
Conceivable.

3161
02:55:30,510 --> 02:55:36,900
And then you've got all of these political
movements who are arguing for kind of

3162
02:55:37,200 --> 02:55:40,710
a political direction, which would've
been taboo a while ago in, in Europe.

3163
02:55:40,710 --> 02:55:44,520
And I do think that is a, a
dangerous combination, and I don't

3164
02:55:44,520 --> 02:55:45,570
really wanna see where it goes.

3165
02:55:46,275 --> 02:55:49,185
I think you, you highlighted
something important, which is the

3166
02:55:49,185 --> 02:55:51,315
sort of edge, Lord element of it all.

3167
02:55:51,375 --> 02:55:54,825
And this is something which I think
really comes out of, you know,

3168
02:55:54,855 --> 02:55:57,645
the subculture on chan boards.

3169
02:55:57,765 --> 02:56:04,275
This desire to shock and bait and outrage
and then dress it up in layers of irony.

3170
02:56:04,275 --> 02:56:05,895
So it's really ugly.

3171
02:56:06,270 --> 02:56:13,740
Um, poisonous, aggressive, offensive,
racist, misogynistic, et cetera, behavior.

3172
02:56:14,010 --> 02:56:17,430
And then it's like, Ooh, but we don't
really mean it, but do we really mean it?

3173
02:56:17,460 --> 02:56:18,690
Ah, no, we don't, but we do.

3174
02:56:19,110 --> 02:56:19,440
And.

3175
02:56:20,115 --> 02:56:27,105
Deliberately using irony to create sort
of lashings and lashings of ambiguity

3176
02:56:27,105 --> 02:56:28,815
around really what is the intent.

3177
02:56:28,815 --> 02:56:30,495
So you get to have it both ways.

3178
02:56:30,795 --> 02:56:35,805
You get to use the N word and also
say, oh, but I don't really mean it.

3179
02:56:35,865 --> 02:56:40,245
But you know, I also kind of
do, um, and dancing this dance.

3180
02:56:40,245 --> 02:56:41,505
And again, it's, I think.

3181
02:56:42,270 --> 02:56:48,840
Um, I think it's a, a culture which is
born out of digital immersion and the

3182
02:56:48,840 --> 02:56:54,840
way in which digital immersion sort of
breaks down bonds of responsibility, of

3183
02:56:54,990 --> 02:56:58,740
empathy, of thinking about consequences.

3184
02:56:59,030 --> 02:57:03,980
Um, I think that it is morally
warping for people and in

3185
02:57:03,980 --> 02:57:05,660
particular younger people as well.

3186
02:57:06,020 --> 02:57:08,960
And I think that this is something
which, you know, many of the guys

3187
02:57:08,960 --> 02:57:11,690
who are on that particular stream,
they've learned how to game.

3188
02:57:12,170 --> 02:57:17,480
Um, and it, it, it does, I think, create
a sense of permissiveness and around,

3189
02:57:17,900 --> 02:57:24,980
um, you know, if not normalizing, then
certainly making more visible, um.

3190
02:57:25,905 --> 02:57:31,845
Nazi vernacular Nazi imagery in a
way which has political meaning,

3191
02:57:31,845 --> 02:57:34,005
and it has political consequences.

3192
02:57:34,365 --> 02:57:35,445
But again, I don't think that you get.

3193
02:57:36,345 --> 02:57:37,515
Any of that stuff?

3194
02:57:37,545 --> 02:57:44,295
Not really without that sort
of, you know, hyper isolated,

3195
02:57:44,295 --> 02:57:46,905
hyper atomized digital culture.

3196
02:57:47,325 --> 02:57:50,895
Because of course, since World
War ii, there've been all sorts

3197
02:57:50,895 --> 02:57:52,815
of neo-Nazi organizations.

3198
02:57:53,205 --> 02:57:56,445
Um, they've been relatively small, right?

3199
02:57:56,445 --> 02:57:59,865
One because of, of the nature of,
of policing and stuff like that.

3200
02:57:59,865 --> 02:58:03,435
And two, because you know, like who wants
to hang out with a bunch of neo-Nazis?

3201
02:58:03,885 --> 02:58:04,785
Um, but.

3202
02:58:05,475 --> 02:58:13,395
The, the memification of Nazis online has
done a different kind of thing because

3203
02:58:13,485 --> 02:58:16,425
it's a relatively low cost of entry.

3204
02:58:16,425 --> 02:58:19,725
You don't have to go and sit
in a real room full of people

3205
02:58:19,875 --> 02:58:21,585
and you can sort of, um.

3206
02:58:22,020 --> 02:58:25,800
Be led by your own desire for
transgress deeper and deeper into a

3207
02:58:25,800 --> 02:58:30,180
rabbit hole without ever having to,
you know, leave your mom's spare room.

3208
02:58:30,630 --> 02:58:34,710
Um, so I think it's a culture which is
built on loneliness and is powered by

3209
02:58:34,710 --> 02:58:36,720
loneliness and thrives on loneliness.

3210
02:58:37,110 --> 02:58:41,940
Sigmund Freud is remembered as
an all time great philosopher

3211
02:58:42,180 --> 02:58:47,940
because he reminds us that men
are not reasoning rational beings.

3212
02:58:48,330 --> 02:58:54,720
We are driven by deep unconscious
drives, civilization uses.

3213
02:58:55,110 --> 02:58:56,850
Eros are erotic.

3214
02:58:56,850 --> 02:59:00,930
Drive to tug men around
like a bull by the nose.

3215
02:59:01,290 --> 02:59:05,250
Want a porn star girlfriend
to do all the porn things?

3216
02:59:05,490 --> 02:59:07,770
Well, you better finish school.

3217
02:59:07,980 --> 02:59:12,540
College, hit the gym
and make fucking money.

3218
02:59:12,570 --> 02:59:21,330
But with eros comes Thanatos the opposing
drive to destroy, kill, and self-destruct.

3219
02:59:21,990 --> 02:59:28,860
Civilization has through the millennia,
desperately struggle to contain human eros

3220
02:59:28,980 --> 02:59:36,255
and Thanatos Or it did until somewhere
around the mid 1990s where civilization

3221
02:59:36,405 --> 02:59:40,065
howled unleash the internet and let's go.

3222
02:59:41,505 --> 02:59:46,965
Generation Z are lab mice in a
deranged psych experiment, pumped

3223
02:59:46,965 --> 02:59:53,775
full of evermore hardcore porn to
Hyperstimulate Eros, then shoved into.

3224
02:59:54,515 --> 03:00:00,005
Immersive virtual realities
of mega violent video games to

3225
03:00:00,005 --> 03:00:04,445
satiate Thanatos but you can never.

3226
03:00:04,950 --> 03:00:13,230
Ever satisfy the God of death, even
by becoming a Batman villain, to give

3227
03:00:13,230 --> 03:00:15,000
them their Jew, the joker, right?

3228
03:00:15,060 --> 03:00:22,710
Understand that to talk politics to Gen Z,
they have to embody the drives of eros and

3229
03:00:22,710 --> 03:00:25,830
Thanatos that drive the next generation.

3230
03:00:27,015 --> 03:00:34,575
And nothing screams overactive death drive
like becoming a Nazi LER was a pagan.

3231
03:00:34,755 --> 03:00:37,005
It was also really fucking cool.

3232
03:00:37,065 --> 03:00:37,935
Am I right?

3233
03:00:37,935 --> 03:00:39,285
Am I right, boys?

3234
03:00:39,345 --> 03:00:40,305
You regret saying that?

3235
03:00:40,365 --> 03:00:41,595
Saying a fact?

3236
03:00:41,625 --> 03:00:43,365
No, no, that's absolutely true.

3237
03:00:43,395 --> 03:00:50,625
Jordan Peterson became an unlikely Gen
Z icon because he speaks in riddles.

3238
03:00:50,685 --> 03:00:52,755
Some losers lose all the time.

3239
03:00:53,440 --> 03:00:57,190
Which is the side you occupy, say,
is that no one invites you out and

3240
03:00:57,190 --> 03:00:58,870
all the women are rejecting you.

3241
03:01:00,310 --> 03:01:01,630
Who's got the problem?

3242
03:01:02,620 --> 03:01:03,910
It's not all the women.

3243
03:01:04,480 --> 03:01:09,040
Well, the thing is like most
things, it's complicated, you know?

3244
03:01:09,040 --> 03:01:09,280
So.

3245
03:01:09,310 --> 03:01:09,550
Yeah.

3246
03:01:09,550 --> 03:01:09,940
Yeah.

3247
03:01:10,210 --> 03:01:12,100
All the women are rejecting you.

3248
03:01:14,520 --> 03:01:14,870
Right.

3249
03:01:15,645 --> 03:01:16,305
It's you.

3250
03:01:16,365 --> 03:01:20,565
Jordo is so much like the Ridler
that he actually started dressing

3251
03:01:20,565 --> 03:01:22,875
in bespoke Batman villain suits.

3252
03:01:23,325 --> 03:01:28,765
But when you decode Peterson's
garbled misrepresentations of Carl

3253
03:01:28,765 --> 03:01:32,870
Jung and Friedrich Nietzsche his
message to young men is basically.

3254
03:01:33,685 --> 03:01:39,295
Join the patriarchy and we will
give you a trad wife Peterson is

3255
03:01:39,325 --> 03:01:44,425
basically an emissary from the
Boomer establishment sent to make an

3256
03:01:44,545 --> 03:01:47,155
offer to millennial and Gen Z men.

3257
03:01:47,815 --> 03:01:51,025
The problem is the patriarchy
can't make good on the deal.

3258
03:01:51,355 --> 03:01:55,315
There are no good jobs left, and
there is a very limited supply.

3259
03:01:55,720 --> 03:02:00,700
Of trad wives and women willing
to sign up to a life of submission

3260
03:02:00,700 --> 03:02:02,380
to a Gen Z male are mental.

3261
03:02:04,335 --> 03:02:10,005
And so the evolutionary development at
the right wing grifts sphere escalated

3262
03:02:10,215 --> 03:02:16,845
to Andrew Tate, if you can't subdue
your drives to the patriarchy, instead

3263
03:02:17,175 --> 03:02:20,115
give your Eros and Thanatos free reign.

3264
03:02:20,425 --> 03:02:22,825
By becoming a pimp and a gangster.

3265
03:02:23,695 --> 03:02:25,885
Tati is a generic henchman.

3266
03:02:26,215 --> 03:02:28,975
The goon Batman beats up so we can cheer.

3267
03:02:29,455 --> 03:02:35,215
The problem is most Gen Z and millennial
men are house cats, not tigers.

3268
03:02:35,395 --> 03:02:40,165
They've been raised in complete safety
and have no appetite for real risk or.

3269
03:02:41,040 --> 03:02:46,910
A Romanian prison cell meet our
Catwoman Less The cool leather-clad

3270
03:02:46,910 --> 03:02:49,050
foe who steals diamonds more.

3271
03:02:49,050 --> 03:02:54,390
The Jocelyn Wildenstein archetype,
Laura Loomer has carved her loyalty

3272
03:02:54,390 --> 03:02:57,330
to the cause directly onto her face.

3273
03:02:57,420 --> 03:03:03,510
She is a walking, talking example
of the physical toll of the grift.

3274
03:03:04,530 --> 03:03:09,000
To survive in the Joker right
ecosystem, you have to physically

3275
03:03:09,000 --> 03:03:11,370
become your own caricature.

3276
03:03:12,270 --> 03:03:14,730
Tucker two Face Carlson.

3277
03:03:15,345 --> 03:03:19,275
Like Harvey Dent, except
both sides speak bullshit.

3278
03:03:19,605 --> 03:03:25,125
The private face as revealed in the
Dominion lawsuit is a man who knows.

3279
03:03:25,125 --> 03:03:30,975
Trump is a demonic force who hates
the lies, who lives in reality.

3280
03:03:31,540 --> 03:03:32,470
Flip the coin.

3281
03:03:33,070 --> 03:03:38,110
You get the public tucker, the
furrowed brow, the manic love.

3282
03:03:38,530 --> 03:03:43,060
The man who will look into the camera
night after night and sell great

3283
03:03:43,060 --> 03:03:49,900
replacement theory to your grand Tucker
Carlson is peak establishment pretending.

3284
03:03:50,400 --> 03:03:56,790
To be anti-establishment, the wealthy si
of a frozen dinner fortune and failed.

3285
03:03:56,790 --> 03:04:01,260
CI, a agent expert in
pretending to be the victim.

3286
03:04:03,150 --> 03:04:08,850
And here in the eye of the vortex
of bullshit is Candace Owens.

3287
03:04:09,300 --> 03:04:14,250
We challenged Turning Point USA executives
to issue a very clean statement.

3288
03:04:14,520 --> 03:04:19,890
Candace was the first to crack the deep
code of the right wing grift that the

3289
03:04:19,890 --> 03:04:26,970
best way to feed the vortex of bullshit
is to bullshit about other bullshitters.

3290
03:04:27,150 --> 03:04:27,510
No.

3291
03:04:27,570 --> 03:04:31,590
Soon her Charlie Kirk, one of the
joker rights power bullshitters

3292
03:04:31,590 --> 03:04:33,210
being killed in public.

3293
03:04:33,780 --> 03:04:37,380
Then Candace led the charge
to manufacture a pure.

3294
03:04:37,915 --> 03:04:39,775
Bullshit conspiracy theory.

3295
03:04:39,775 --> 03:04:43,645
He also surprised that he wanted bring
me Candace Owens back because he was

3296
03:04:43,645 --> 03:04:47,725
standing up for himself, and then did
he just 48 hours later, conveniently

3297
03:04:47,725 --> 03:04:49,585
catch a bullet to the throat.

3298
03:04:49,705 --> 03:04:53,215
The rightwing Grifters can't
even stop lying long enough

3299
03:04:53,455 --> 03:04:55,885
to grieve one of their own.

3300
03:04:56,485 --> 03:05:00,145
Those who live by
bullshit, die by bullshit.

3301
03:05:00,385 --> 03:05:04,825
The Aus of disinformation
is eating itself.

3302
03:05:06,255 --> 03:05:11,655
As the peak predator grifters, like
Milo Yiannopoulos begin cannibalizing

3303
03:05:11,655 --> 03:05:14,775
weaklings like Benny Johnson for clicks.

3304
03:05:15,825 --> 03:05:18,285
I was gonna talk about
Ben Shapiro here, but I.

3305
03:05:19,080 --> 03:05:27,690
He's just so dull because the audience
has grown tired of conservatives

3306
03:05:27,690 --> 03:05:30,270
pretending to be Batman Villains.

3307
03:05:30,780 --> 03:05:32,730
They want the real deal.

3308
03:05:32,880 --> 03:05:36,245
They want the authentic joker at at.

3309
03:05:36,385 --> 03:05:36,605
At.

3310
03:05:36,925 --> 03:05:38,815
Ah, what is it about Hitler?

3311
03:05:38,815 --> 03:05:40,255
That's cool because he definitely is,

3312
03:05:42,595 --> 03:05:46,615
how do you win the absolute
allegiance of a nation of millions?

3313
03:05:46,615 --> 03:05:47,455
If you're not cool?

3314
03:05:49,970 --> 03:05:52,195
I mean, what happens?

3315
03:05:52,195 --> 03:05:54,535
Ja Jal's drop off and here's why.

3316
03:05:55,225 --> 03:05:56,215
Why is Hitler cool?

3317
03:05:56,215 --> 03:05:56,995
I'll tell you why.

3318
03:05:56,995 --> 03:06:04,885
Very simply, I know why you choose
to have your little group therapy

3319
03:06:04,885 --> 03:06:06,085
sessions in broad daylight.

3320
03:06:07,020 --> 03:06:14,910
Because what Hitler represents is
if white people didn't give a fuck.

3321
03:06:15,180 --> 03:06:20,790
And, and as for, uh, the televisions
so-called plan, that's the appeal.

3322
03:06:21,600 --> 03:06:23,275
What it represents is what if.

3323
03:06:24,355 --> 03:06:26,725
We went hard as fuck.

3324
03:06:26,815 --> 03:06:28,225
That's what Hitler represents.

3325
03:06:28,255 --> 03:06:33,145
What if white people went hard
as fuck enough from the cloud?

3326
03:06:34,315 --> 03:06:38,305
Let's not to give Nick Fuentes
his Jew, he's no grifter.

3327
03:06:39,085 --> 03:06:44,815
Nick Fuentes is what happens when men like
Carlson and Peterson and Shapiro spout

3328
03:06:45,310 --> 03:06:50,770
dog whistles like Judeo Christian culture
and Western values for long enough.

3329
03:06:51,590 --> 03:06:59,660
Eventually somebody says the quiet
bit out loud, white nationalism.

3330
03:07:00,320 --> 03:07:05,180
Eventually an angry Gen Z male
looks into the camera and says,

3331
03:07:05,180 --> 03:07:07,610
no, we are not conservatives.

3332
03:07:08,020 --> 03:07:09,790
We are not traditionalists.

3333
03:07:09,850 --> 03:07:11,890
We are white nationalists.

3334
03:07:12,010 --> 03:07:13,840
We like Hitler.

3335
03:07:14,680 --> 03:07:18,850
When you spend decades telling people
that equality is oppression, and

3336
03:07:18,850 --> 03:07:24,130
diversity is weakness, eventually
somebody is gonna show up and say,

3337
03:07:24,130 --> 03:07:26,350
so let's just do fascism then.

3338
03:07:27,160 --> 03:07:32,020
Nick Fuentes is what happens when
the president himself tells you

3339
03:07:32,020 --> 03:07:34,390
it's okay to hate immigrants.

3340
03:07:34,420 --> 03:07:36,400
It's okay to hate Somalis.

3341
03:07:36,700 --> 03:07:38,830
It's okay to hate Muslims.

3342
03:07:39,790 --> 03:07:45,040
Eventually you end up with
Nick Fuentes asking, wait, so

3343
03:07:45,490 --> 03:07:47,710
why can't we hate the Jews?

3344
03:07:49,250 --> 03:07:56,180
Fuentes Is the receipt the left spent
decades saying you are going fascist.

3345
03:07:56,660 --> 03:07:58,520
And the right howled.

3346
03:07:59,420 --> 03:08:03,110
They performed this Grand
Wounded Theater of Indignant.

3347
03:08:03,110 --> 03:08:03,740
Denial.

3348
03:08:04,280 --> 03:08:05,990
How dare you?

3349
03:08:06,590 --> 03:08:09,350
How dare you call us fascist.

3350
03:08:09,695 --> 03:08:14,945
We just want lower taxes and to
preserve the Judeo cultural Christian

3351
03:08:14,945 --> 03:08:17,465
values of Western civilization.

3352
03:08:18,515 --> 03:08:21,725
But you weren't protecting the
legacy of the Enlightenment.

3353
03:08:22,475 --> 03:08:25,055
You weren't fighting the woke mind virus.

3354
03:08:25,565 --> 03:08:25,950
You were just.

3355
03:08:26,730 --> 03:08:33,330
On a miserable journey to an inevitable
destination, you were always becoming

3356
03:08:33,570 --> 03:08:39,930
Nick Fuentes The Joker is the greatest
Batman villain because he's the ultimate

3357
03:08:39,930 --> 03:08:43,560
symbol of Thanatos the death drive.

3358
03:08:44,020 --> 03:08:46,810
The man who just wants
to watch it all burn.

3359
03:08:49,090 --> 03:08:50,020
Let's be clear.

3360
03:08:50,560 --> 03:08:54,310
Fuentes is not the fucking
voice of his generation.

3361
03:08:54,550 --> 03:08:55,960
Gen ZA busy leading protest.

3362
03:08:57,000 --> 03:09:00,510
Deposing dictators and
saving the fucking planet.

3363
03:09:00,570 --> 03:09:05,370
Fuentes is the Thanatos of his generation.

3364
03:09:05,370 --> 03:09:14,880
Why save the planet when watching it
Burn is hilarious and Fuentes audience

3365
03:09:14,880 --> 03:09:17,910
love him for it because he's not boring.

3366
03:09:18,480 --> 03:09:19,590
He's not safe.

3367
03:09:19,970 --> 03:09:21,710
He's not a grifter.

3368
03:09:22,400 --> 03:09:29,060
He is American, white nationalism's,
genuine message to the world, and

3369
03:09:29,060 --> 03:09:32,420
the message is the mask is off.

3370
03:09:32,812 --> 03:09:33,982
That's going to be it for today.

3371
03:09:33,982 --> 03:09:35,662
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3372
03:09:35,662 --> 03:09:38,692
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3373
03:09:38,692 --> 03:09:39,892
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3374
03:09:40,222 --> 03:09:43,822
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3375
03:09:43,822 --> 03:09:46,672
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3376
03:09:47,002 --> 03:09:49,342
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the show included clips from

3377
03:09:49,582 --> 03:09:55,692
Dr. Deneen speaks the speech prof.
Theresa Matt Bernstein, signified BSides.

3378
03:09:55,992 --> 03:09:58,782
Luke Thomas gets political film obsessed.

3379
03:09:58,992 --> 03:10:00,072
Takes by Jamal Bowie.

3380
03:10:00,072 --> 03:10:00,552
Harlan Spinks.

3381
03:10:00,602 --> 03:10:05,282
Harlan Spinks against the grain
then and now we gonna be all right.

3382
03:10:05,492 --> 03:10:09,212
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Fiction with Damien Walter.

3383
03:10:09,452 --> 03:10:11,162
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3384
03:10:11,522 --> 03:10:12,692
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3385
03:10:12,722 --> 03:10:14,912
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3386
03:10:14,912 --> 03:10:16,922
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3387
03:10:17,282 --> 03:10:19,622
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3388
03:10:19,622 --> 03:10:20,852
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3389
03:10:21,092 --> 03:10:25,082
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3390
03:10:25,082 --> 03:10:27,152
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3391
03:10:27,392 --> 03:10:31,232
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3392
03:10:31,502 --> 03:10:36,032
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3393
03:10:36,032 --> 03:10:39,512
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3394
03:10:39,512 --> 03:10:41,912
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3395
03:10:42,232 --> 03:10:46,042
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3396
03:10:46,042 --> 03:10:49,852
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3397
03:10:49,852 --> 03:10:52,912
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3398
03:10:52,912 --> 03:10:54,502
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