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Maybe this is more of, like, a metaphorical,

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but what would send you into the underdark?

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I think what would make me

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go down there and adventure

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is just discovering the unknown. Like, why not?

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Why not go down there?

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And now what's down there?

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Curiosity, then.

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I don't like to.

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I really don't

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like to live in the what ifs. Like,

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I really don't like. It's like,

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I will never be. I'll never,

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luckily be that person that's like,

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what if I would have started that business? No,

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I did it.

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It could have been scary.

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It could have been my underdark.

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But it's just like, no.

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Keep it nerdy.

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Keep it nerdy.

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Keep it real.

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Real nerdy nerdpreneur. You know,

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I love my work. Life's a game,

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so I'ma take my turn.

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Nerds deserve to put their passion first,

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so let Em rap averse so they can all be heard.

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Yeah. My nerdy passion, basically, is drawing.

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I'll let you guess.

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But, yeah, D and d. I do a lot of that.

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Correct. I'm a breeder of tarantulas,

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importing tarantulas and some other critters.

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I am a small,

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independent board game designer.

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I wanted to make props for D.

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And D.

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I am a larper.

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I dress up in funny clothes

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and pretend to be other people and

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hit my friends with sticks sometimes.

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Nerdpreneur, you know, I love my work.

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Welcome to Nerdpreneur,

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where we have fun conversations with people

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making money with their nerdy passion.

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My name is Chris, and as always,

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I am joined by my co host, Frank.

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Hello.

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And today we have a very special guest.

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Her name is t.

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And welcome to the show.

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Hi. Thank you for having me.

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Excited to be here.

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My name is t from

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until over at Instagram. And, yeah, that's me.

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Keep that short.

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Awesome.

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Well, t, what is your nerdy passion?

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Minority passion is making fairy wings.

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Fairy.

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That is crazy.

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I went into this very cold,

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not knowing much at all about

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what we were going to talk about,

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and that is fascinating.

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By fairy wings, do you mean, like,

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costume pieces for

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people to kind of wear or, like, how's that?

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Yes, they're wearable costume pieces, so, yes.

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Nice.

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And how do they attach? I mean,

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I can see what's behind you,

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but for, like, our listeners, you.

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Know, for the listeners, yeah, yeah, you can.

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If you are a person that wears a bra or corset,

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you can just slip them behind that.

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like wearing bras or corsets there

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are little attachments in the back of

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the bracket that you can strap on ribbon

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or elastic and put them on, like a backpack.

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Cool. And you've got

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a bunch of different styles. I mean, we've.

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I've seen a couple on your website,

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and they look awesome. I mean,

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they are so, like, they're

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so magical. The way, you know, some glitter,

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some kind of look like flames, and you.

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So you've got a really nice variety. And how.

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How do you typically put them up? What is,

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what is your kind of. Your rhythm?

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I typically take about two weeks,

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and I try and kind of make a batch of them,

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and then I do a drop a month.

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I don't ever have a specific date because

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I do work full time aside from this.

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job at my gym where I teach boxing,

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so I do what I can.

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Wow, you're busy.

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I am busy.

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I'm looking at the website right now,

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and I'm seeing how each of them have, like,

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a lot of texture to them, too.

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and there's some that look almost, like, fiery,

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like they're moving on their own, like, okay,

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I said that.

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Chris, where were you?

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Just said the same thing.

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I'm going somewhere with it, though, man.

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Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

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Ruined the flow. Go back. I'm wonder.

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I'm wondering, just like, okay, first,

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what's it actually made of?

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those reflections is it's cellophane,

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so it's opalescent.

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It's catching kind of the light,

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as well as whatever

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colors I decide to spray paint.

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It also kind of reflects those colors as well.

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on there with the fun colors.

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instantly I thought about, you know,

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festival season and lots of

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people going out to wear fairy wings,

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because I may have seen a few

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of your fair on people. I played, like, okay,

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burning man or shambla or any of these kind

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of ravy type electronic musical festivals

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where people wear bright lights and

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fairy wings and all sorts of cool costumes.

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in saying that that's kind of a market.

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That is totally a market that ren faires,

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all those comic con,

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all of that stuff.

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Nice. I know a lot of people

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that would love this stuff, which

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is one of the reasons that I was, when I saw,

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when I saw what you were posting,

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I was like, oh, my gosh. Like,

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there's so many people I know personally

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that would just go nuts for these I.

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much in the dungeons and dragons world,

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it's also very appropriate,

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so really cool.

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Well, you make them all by hand, right?

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Yes, they're all handmade.

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clothing making and stuff,

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or is this just sort of something

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you picked up out of necessity?

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how did you get into making fairy wings anyway?

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Not out of necessity because I work full time,

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but it was more of imodel with my friend joy.

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She's a photographer,

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and we were getting a job for enchanted living,

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and they said that they

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wanted the theme to be fairy themed.

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to make other props and things like that.

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helping out and maybe seeing

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if you could make a pair of wings?

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She sent me a YouTube video, made a pair,

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and then somebody asked me, hey,

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do you sell these?

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do you sell these? And I'm like, well, why not?

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Why am I not selling these?

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So I was like, okay, yeah, I sell them.

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Now do you want to buy them?

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of where it just took off. Very accidental.

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I guess that's often what we hear, too,

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people are making something out of.

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Out of passion or out of.

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it wasn't necessarily financial necessity.

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for this project I was doing,

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or I was just messing around with things.

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I kind of mean by necessity. And, like, we had.

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what we call mimic books. And it's like, again,

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just was doing it sort of out of fun,

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but then had so many people start saying, well,

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can I buy one?

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That's so cool.

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Or do you sell these? Like,

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that's a good indication that you're

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probably finding something people

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will want to spend money on and also

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that you could create into a business.

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When did you kind of take the leap to saying,

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I'm going to really

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make this a regular monthly thing,

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that I'm going to put these

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out and do a drop every month?

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more like during COVID 2020. I said, oh,

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I'm going to do this and sell them. And

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then I started taking it a bit more serious,

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and then I was like, no,

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my name's attached to this, first of all.

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So now it's not just,

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I'm going to sell these. I'm like, no,

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now the packaging needs to be on point now.

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The marketing needs to be on point now.

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It's a brand.

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It's not just a casual thing.

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I need to schedule monthly drops.

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I need to get my name out there.

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I need to get on podcasts and socialize

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and just get out there and

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engage with all kinds of different people

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from all different niches and all that, so.

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I'm kind of competitive.

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If I. If I.

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I'm kind of competitive.

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it needs to be better. Like, what

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can I. I'm like, no, no, no. Better. Better.

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Yeah. Chris. Chris. And I understand that.

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That vibe of, like, okay,

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it's time to level up.

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Chris kind of touched on this,

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but the idea of when that moment happened,

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do you remember that specific moment and

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what was going on when you realized, okay,

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now's the time to level up?

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Zachary. I think what it was is when I actually

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saw them out in the wild, out on people,

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people wearing them,

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people making tiktoks,

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people wearing them.

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these need to be better. Like,

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if my name is attached to this, like,

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this needs to be better.

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So it was the moment that

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I saw someone actually wearing them,

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because sometimes you don't really connect

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with the buyer until you see them

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using your product in their hands, and totally,

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as they say,

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out in the wild.

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connected with me.

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Oh, well, I bet there's a whole bunch of, like,

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making that leap into a business

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is definitely not only a mental leap,

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things you wind up having to do. Like, you

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mentioned packaging and branding and investing.

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Can you talk through

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a little bit about what you.

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What choices you wound up

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having to make there and maybe some.

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Some other challenges

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or insights you wound up finding.

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Yeah. So the first year of my business, I mean,

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they're still handmade,

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but I was hand cutting

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them out and hand everything,

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every step of it was by hand.

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And then when I decided to take that leap

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and kind of make it a bit more scheduled, I

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invested in a machine to cut out the stencils.

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I still do the designs,

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but now I don't do the designs on paper.

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I do them on

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a tablet and make PNG files, like images,

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like vector images and all that.

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I had to learn all of that.

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I didn't go to graphic school or anything.

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I didn't go to any of that.

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So I had to like YouTube

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and learn and YouTube university. Okay.

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Yeah, that's right.

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Self teaching is so important. Right.

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It's so powerful too.

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But luckily I'm able to just visually

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learn and it works out really well for me.

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When you have

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a business that you sell products in, you

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have to have a bunch of different suppliers,

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especially if you buy from Amazon.

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A box could not be available

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next week with that same seller,

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and it could be $20 more.

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Yeah. Nowadays, it's nuts.

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Oh, yeah.

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Did you learn that the hard way?

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Yeah, cuz. Cuz then

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the next month I'm like, oh,

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just go put my order in, thinking

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my boxes are gonna be $60, they're $120. Whoa,

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that's just packaging and that's exactly,

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that's just packaging.

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And it's just like, are you.

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And then you have to

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make the choice as a business owner,

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are you gonna raise your prices up

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that one month because the box was

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higher that one month? No, you have to. It's

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like a loss in a way. It's working, but yeah,

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those are the things that

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you have to take into account. Packaging.

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Make sure you have

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multiple sources for your materials.

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I wanted to ask,

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you had mentioned investing earlier,

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like an investment into your business.

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Aside from you had already mentioned

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some software and some other tools.

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What kind of investments did

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you make and are you currently making?

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The sort

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of investments that I've made, as I mentioned,

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the software machinery investment in my.

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The education of running a business time.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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And also learn.

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Learning things like talk and reels and like,

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you really have to move with the

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way that social media is moving or

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you will get left behind in a second.

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In a second. But luckily,

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there are ways that you can make reels.

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And for me personally,

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I don't like to dance.

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I want to mouth words to song.

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That's hella corny to me. Like,

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I don't want to do any of that.

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So I do what's comfortable for me,

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and I encourage other business owners,

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do what's comfortable for you.

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But you have to use the tools that people work.

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People are watching tiktoks,

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people are watching reels.

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You have to be where the people are.

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Yeah.

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Learning all of that and just getting

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over that hurdle and getting over the.

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It's more of a mental thing, like,

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because it's like I watch it

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back and then I cringe and I'm like,

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but they want to see this.

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So it's in my head when you.

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Started, because this

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is funny when you talk about, like,

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the idea of getting yourself

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not only into a business, but also, like,

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out there online, it's

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really putting your face and your, you know,

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brand and everything out there. A lot

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of people have challenges around just, like,

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putting themselves out there,

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making that mental leap to creating, say,

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their first TikTok video or their.

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Their first

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post on Instagram. It's vulnerable, right.

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How did you make that transition?

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And was it something that was tough,

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or do you have any tips for

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people looking to make that transition?

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Let me try and think of a tip,

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because it wasn't that much of

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a hurdle for me because I was already.

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I was doing magazines and modeling,

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and I was already center.

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Here I am. Criticize me.

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Say whatever you want.

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You know what I mean? Like,

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I was already exposing

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myself to potentially being mocked,

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made fun of. It's. It's art.

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It's kind of nerdy art because it's fantasy.

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So it's just like,

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it's open for opinions and criticism.

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Yeah. Nerds never get

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opinionated about their stuff.

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Actually would not have points like that. They

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would actually be shaped like butterfly knots.

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You never know.

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You really never know. People come out.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I think my tip would be make sure that you

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are in the phone now and making sure you

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have a real life outside of the socials. Like,

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make sure you have

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a partner time with your partner.

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Make sure you are grounded

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with your peoples. Like, this is. It's a.

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It's social media. People are really,

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truly only showing what they want to show you.

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So just take it with a grain of salt.

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Don't take it too seriously.

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Put it out there. You never know. I

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put up a reel the other day, and it had, like,

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a hundred thousand views, and I'm like,

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what is this?

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Is this.

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How did this happen? What's.

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And then it.

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And then I'm like, okay,

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how do I do this again?

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Yeah.

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And then I don't.

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I can't figure out.

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So I posted so many after that, and, like,

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they have not done that,

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so I don't know what it.

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Sometimes it's just putting things out

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there and you really don't understand. Like,

435
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I remember what my most popular reel ever is.

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Me rolling a dice,

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and it happens to come up one,

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and it got over 100,000

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views for some reason,

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because people thought it was funny.

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I don't even understand exactly why,

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but the algorithm is a mystery, right?

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And I always say to people that the algorithm

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is there in some ways to give you opportunity,

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but also to protect you. Like,

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if your content sucks,

447
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no one's going to see it,

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so don't worry about

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putting yourself out there that much.

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Right. Like if

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a couple of people see it, that means,

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and it's embarrassing.

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It's like only a couple people are

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going to actually see it unless

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it's embarrassing in a really good way.

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You know what I mean? In which

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case then there's no bad publicity. Right?

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Like a viral horrible.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm curious. So one of

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the unique things about your business

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from the other people we've spoken to is

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it's very much a materials heavy business.

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What you're doing is you're,

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you're getting from different suppliers.

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And right now it's a crazy time. I mean,

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we kind of talked about that in packaging.

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And so I'm wondering if you can

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share some tips for some folks that,

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that might be either looking to get

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started in a material based business

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or if you know that are in it and

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some lessons that you've learned around.

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I have some

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great tips on that, actually. Oh, cool.

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Awesome.

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I would say that if you're looking

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into some kind of material based

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product where you will need various

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materials to create that final product,

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as I said before,

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make sure you have

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multiple sources of that material. Like,

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don't just count on Amazon to make sure

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they're going to have that box for you,

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that buyer for you,

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whatever the material is you need.

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Make sure you have multiple sources.

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And also make sure you check

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for something that's called lead times.

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Lead times means if you place your

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order today and they said 14 days out,

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that means 14 days out,

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then they'll ship it.

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Right.

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So pay attention to those things.

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Lead time comes in more

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when you're ordering things in bulk.

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It doesn't happen when

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you're ordering one item, one item, things,

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smaller batches, that's easier. But still,

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try and make sure you can source

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that material from multiple

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suppliers because especially right now

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with shipping and everything, gas prices, it's

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going to take longer. It's just, it's just,

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it is what it is.

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But try and stay on top of

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it before you end up like

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totally out of stock of some material. And then

510
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you have an order and someone's like, actually,

511
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do you do rush order?

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And then you're like, like I do,

513
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but I can't because I

514
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don't have the materials to make it.

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So it's just like,

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you never want to be in that, in that bind.

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Yeah. You'll miss

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out on that opportunity. Totally.

519
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Do you like when you film?

520
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Your Instagram

521
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is pretty awesome with like, reels. And

522
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I love that you have a bunch of, well, I just,

523
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I really like the way

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that you've got all these cool, like, you're

525
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behind the scenes in terms of, like, this

526
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is how I'm making it and all that stuff. Like,

527
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that's really cool. You

528
00:16:32,290 --> 00:16:33,610
also have some really good visuals, obviously,

529
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like the tone and branding. Like,

530
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is there sort of some principles behind the

531
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strategy in your Instagram around, like, okay,

532
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this is the style that

533
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I go for and this is my branding.

534
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And, like, when I post that kind.

535
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Of thing, not for me. Not for me, but I'll

536
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take the compliment that you think is cohesive.

537
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Sometimes I think my

538
00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:55,740
stuff is all over the damn place.

539
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I think I just try and keep it simple.

540
00:16:59,710 --> 00:17:00,980
I try not to use too much color,

541
00:17:01,030 --> 00:17:01,980
like what I'm wearing.

542
00:17:02,070 --> 00:17:03,900
I try and keep it basic. Like,

543
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sometimes I don't want to say unfortunately,

544
00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:08,740
but there's this misconception that I'm

545
00:17:08,770 --> 00:17:10,740
down here in some kind of gala fairy

546
00:17:10,770 --> 00:17:12,319
dress or something and I'm working on,

547
00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:15,089
I'm not dressed in a fairy outfit all the time.

548
00:17:15,140 --> 00:17:17,010
I'm very casual. I wear hoodies,

549
00:17:17,060 --> 00:17:18,430
I'm wearing workout clothes

550
00:17:18,460 --> 00:17:19,730
because I was working out today.

551
00:17:19,859 --> 00:17:21,810
So I really do try to

552
00:17:21,819 --> 00:17:23,750
film myself in my natural environment. Like,

553
00:17:23,780 --> 00:17:24,859
I'm not trying to put up a front.

554
00:17:24,930 --> 00:17:27,280
I don't wear corsets and that's not me.

555
00:17:27,319 --> 00:17:28,230
I do see some people that

556
00:17:28,260 --> 00:17:30,260
do that and in my head I'm like,

557
00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:32,710
is that practical? I'm like,

558
00:17:32,740 --> 00:17:34,250
are you really, I'm like,

559
00:17:34,260 --> 00:17:36,280
are you really doing this on the daily? Like,

560
00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:38,860
come on now. But, oh,

561
00:17:38,930 --> 00:17:40,510
I'll take the compliment.

562
00:17:40,540 --> 00:17:42,120
But I try purposefully

563
00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:43,310
not to make it too cohesive

564
00:17:43,340 --> 00:17:44,790
because I also want to be realistic. Like,

565
00:17:44,820 --> 00:17:45,930
that's not realistic.

566
00:17:46,060 --> 00:17:48,870
Yeah, well, the thing about social posting

567
00:17:48,900 --> 00:17:50,260
is if you're going to do it regularly,

568
00:17:50,290 --> 00:17:52,340
it has to be maintained. Right.

569
00:17:52,390 --> 00:17:53,980
And I think regularity with posting

570
00:17:54,010 --> 00:17:55,060
is one of the most important

571
00:17:55,130 --> 00:17:56,650
things that at least one I see,

572
00:17:56,720 --> 00:17:57,970
I've seen and also that

573
00:17:58,000 --> 00:17:59,740
I've heard from many creators is just,

574
00:17:59,820 --> 00:18:01,820
you have to find something to post every day.

575
00:18:01,900 --> 00:18:03,380
And if every day you're having

576
00:18:03,420 --> 00:18:06,790
to put on a corset, fairy wings, makeup, like,

577
00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:09,440
get a whole professional photo shoot together,

578
00:18:09,570 --> 00:18:10,720
it's just like,

579
00:18:10,910 --> 00:18:12,220
it's not sustainable

580
00:18:12,300 --> 00:18:14,450
nor is it actually realistic.

581
00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:16,960
But I guess what I noticed in

582
00:18:16,990 --> 00:18:19,960
your content is that it is authentic.

583
00:18:20,090 --> 00:18:22,000
And one of the reasons why I think

584
00:18:22,030 --> 00:18:24,640
that marketing nowadays is very

585
00:18:24,710 --> 00:18:27,540
much tailored towards what is authentic.

586
00:18:27,580 --> 00:18:29,490
It's one of the most powerful things we have

587
00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:31,570
in marketing now is our authenticity. Because

588
00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:34,280
people are so used to being marketed like,

589
00:18:34,310 --> 00:18:36,790
one of the phrases I've heard said is,

590
00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:38,960
scrappy is the new perfect.

591
00:18:39,260 --> 00:18:41,200
People don't want things to

592
00:18:41,230 --> 00:18:44,530
be too polished or too that way,

593
00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:45,700
because then it feels like some

594
00:18:45,740 --> 00:18:47,290
company has been working on

595
00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:49,670
this to make it targeted towards you,

596
00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:51,050
whereas you're just like, hey,

597
00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:52,560
this is what I'm doing today. Check this out.

598
00:18:52,590 --> 00:18:53,440
This is great.

599
00:18:53,810 --> 00:18:55,200
On top of that, it's, like, authentic

600
00:18:55,230 --> 00:18:56,430
because it's you and you're, you know,

601
00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:57,510
it's what you're wearing that day.

602
00:18:57,540 --> 00:18:59,310
It's what you're doing that day. It's like,

603
00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:00,300
here's what's coming up.

604
00:19:00,310 --> 00:19:01,420
And it keeps people engaged

605
00:19:01,470 --> 00:19:03,100
in somewhat of your story. Right. You're like,

606
00:19:03,110 --> 00:19:04,480
you're part of your brand.

607
00:19:04,670 --> 00:19:07,190
Yeah. Especially short form videos,

608
00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:09,810
I find are super on that vein. You know,

609
00:19:09,850 --> 00:19:11,950
whether it's YouTube, TikTok, or Instagram.

610
00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:13,380
And that is definitely.

611
00:19:13,430 --> 00:19:14,660
I agree with what Chris is saying.

612
00:19:14,710 --> 00:19:17,190
Your content's definitely tapping into that.

613
00:19:18,090 --> 00:19:19,760
I try and just keep it.

614
00:19:19,940 --> 00:19:22,180
It's pretty real and simple.

615
00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:25,060
Speaking of keeping it real and simple,

616
00:19:25,110 --> 00:19:27,440
that does nice little segue there.

617
00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:29,100
And something I wanted to ask you,

618
00:19:29,130 --> 00:19:30,780
which was about your business.

619
00:19:30,890 --> 00:19:33,420
What are some of the core values around?

620
00:19:33,490 --> 00:19:34,460
Because when you

621
00:19:34,510 --> 00:19:38,000
have your own entrepreneurial venture,

622
00:19:38,120 --> 00:19:40,900
it's an opportunity to really push,

623
00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:43,900
what do I want to put out in the world?

624
00:19:44,050 --> 00:19:45,650
What do I want to manifest?

625
00:19:45,770 --> 00:19:47,670
And so I'm curious for you,

626
00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:48,720
what are some of the values

627
00:19:48,750 --> 00:19:51,630
that you like to manifest?

628
00:19:52,090 --> 00:19:54,780
Okay. For me, I would say I wanted to

629
00:19:54,790 --> 00:19:56,760
create a product that everybody could wear. And

630
00:19:56,790 --> 00:19:59,580
what I mean by that is everyone of every size.

631
00:19:59,710 --> 00:20:01,390
So specifically for my products,

632
00:20:01,460 --> 00:20:04,650
I offer brackets and small, medium and large.

633
00:20:04,730 --> 00:20:06,110
And if in the future,

634
00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:08,000
I need to expand the sizes, I can do that.

635
00:20:08,030 --> 00:20:08,870
Because I'm a small business,

636
00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:10,680
I make my own molds here.

637
00:20:10,750 --> 00:20:12,830
I make everything in house so I can

638
00:20:12,860 --> 00:20:15,040
quickly make those decisions that a

639
00:20:15,070 --> 00:20:17,250
bigger business probably couldn't make

640
00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:18,850
it so quickly because they have to go through.

641
00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:22,040
A whole approval process or something.

642
00:20:22,980 --> 00:20:24,980
Yeah. Oh, yeah. It's a whole thing

643
00:20:25,020 --> 00:20:26,550
for a bigger business. But for me, it's like,

644
00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:27,590
if somebody's like, hey, could you

645
00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:30,400
make this in a bigger size? Of course. Why not?

646
00:20:30,530 --> 00:20:31,960
Everyone should be able to wear them.

647
00:20:32,010 --> 00:20:33,040
So for me,

648
00:20:33,340 --> 00:20:34,650
I'm making a wearable

649
00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:36,800
product that is inclusive of.

650
00:20:36,870 --> 00:20:38,600
Inclusive of everyone's size,

651
00:20:38,690 --> 00:20:40,700
which is really important to me. It's like,

652
00:20:40,820 --> 00:20:43,160
you can't say you want inclusivity and fantasy,

653
00:20:43,190 --> 00:20:44,010
but you're not putting out

654
00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:46,320
products that keep that in mind.

655
00:20:46,900 --> 00:20:49,860
So that's what I'm trying to offer.

656
00:20:49,940 --> 00:20:51,730
And fun designs, of course. And

657
00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:54,360
things that get people excited and inspired.

658
00:20:54,430 --> 00:20:56,050
And I also try and make sure, like,

659
00:20:56,120 --> 00:20:57,130
what are some colors you like?

660
00:20:57,160 --> 00:20:58,890
And I'll take feedback in and I'll paint

661
00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:00,680
them those colors that people are saying.

662
00:21:00,830 --> 00:21:02,030
I have no problem with that.

663
00:21:02,120 --> 00:21:03,850
But that would be my,

664
00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:06,120
what I'm preaching here, inclusivity.

665
00:21:06,940 --> 00:21:09,320
For real? For real. Let's, let's be inclusive.

666
00:21:09,470 --> 00:21:10,360
Yeah. Yeah.

667
00:21:10,470 --> 00:21:11,940
And that's what I was, I was actually,

668
00:21:11,980 --> 00:21:13,430
that leads into a question I was wanting

669
00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:16,170
to ask is if do you take a custom orders?

670
00:21:16,210 --> 00:21:17,230
Or if someone says, like,

671
00:21:17,260 --> 00:21:19,430
you beat me, do it. I'm sorry.

672
00:21:19,460 --> 00:21:20,390
It was a perfect segue.

673
00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:22,730
You set it up. But yeah.

674
00:21:22,810 --> 00:21:24,400
Are you doing anything, like,

675
00:21:24,430 --> 00:21:26,480
if I said I want like, I don't know,

676
00:21:26,550 --> 00:21:29,280
bat wings or if I want like reddish color

677
00:21:29,350 --> 00:21:31,870
wings instead of pinkish or purple or like,

678
00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:33,440
do you do custom orders?

679
00:21:33,590 --> 00:21:35,200
I don't do commissions this year,

680
00:21:35,230 --> 00:21:36,940
but I will be doing commissions next year.

681
00:21:37,030 --> 00:21:38,040
I paused it because I was

682
00:21:38,070 --> 00:21:40,270
trying to get a schedule going,

683
00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:41,020
which I'm trying to

684
00:21:41,030 --> 00:21:42,340
do every for the rest of the year.

685
00:21:42,350 --> 00:21:43,840
And then once I get the group going, I

686
00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:45,680
going to open back up for commissions. But yes,

687
00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:47,660
I will be taking commissions and you can

688
00:21:47,790 --> 00:21:50,230
come to me with inspo photos and it is

689
00:21:50,260 --> 00:21:52,030
a slightly higher price because I have to

690
00:21:52,140 --> 00:21:54,740
design it and get you a vector file and

691
00:21:54,790 --> 00:21:58,060
all that fun stuff and it's not impossible.

692
00:21:58,150 --> 00:22:00,440
And I'm so excited to start doing that

693
00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:02,540
sort of stuff next year because you'll

694
00:22:02,570 --> 00:22:04,580
really have something that's super unique.

695
00:22:06,360 --> 00:22:06,940
I do want

696
00:22:06,950 --> 00:22:09,330
to ask about pricing, too, just because, like,

697
00:22:09,430 --> 00:22:10,870
I think a lot of artists

698
00:22:11,020 --> 00:22:13,430
ask us or I've heard, sorry,

699
00:22:13,540 --> 00:22:14,410
let me rephrase that.

700
00:22:14,450 --> 00:22:16,400
I think a lot of people who are artists are

701
00:22:16,430 --> 00:22:19,100
looking to start making money off their art,

702
00:22:19,230 --> 00:22:20,200
have a tough time

703
00:22:20,270 --> 00:22:22,230
knowing how to price something.

704
00:22:22,360 --> 00:22:24,330
And is there a philosophy around

705
00:22:24,490 --> 00:22:26,340
what you followed to be

706
00:22:26,350 --> 00:22:28,270
able to find pricing for your products?

707
00:22:29,010 --> 00:22:32,550
I think at first I was under pricing

708
00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:35,150
myself because I was trying to get a foot in,

709
00:22:36,340 --> 00:22:37,440
but I knew how much

710
00:22:37,470 --> 00:22:39,050
I was supposed to be pricing, but I'm like,

711
00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:41,510
there's no way that I'm gonna price it

712
00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:43,200
at that much when nobody knows who I am,

713
00:22:43,230 --> 00:22:44,640
when no one knows the quality of my stuff.

714
00:22:44,670 --> 00:22:45,800
I have to kind of build

715
00:22:46,580 --> 00:22:48,800
reputation before I can price it,

716
00:22:49,180 --> 00:22:51,940
what I was actually comfortable pricing it at.

717
00:22:51,980 --> 00:22:53,680
So I would say,

718
00:22:53,750 --> 00:22:55,720
obviously you have to factor in material cost

719
00:22:55,830 --> 00:22:58,230
and how long it takes you to make it.

720
00:22:58,280 --> 00:22:59,640
Like you need to get paid.

721
00:22:59,940 --> 00:23:01,100
Yeah, right.

722
00:23:01,260 --> 00:23:05,210
I. And then, I mean, at the end of the day,

723
00:23:05,250 --> 00:23:05,840
name your price.

724
00:23:05,910 --> 00:23:07,030
If the people see your quality,

725
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:09,100
they're going to pay for it, then, like,

726
00:23:09,150 --> 00:23:11,250
be selfless about it. It's. If they.

727
00:23:11,290 --> 00:23:12,230
If they're not.

728
00:23:12,360 --> 00:23:15,550
If that's not in their budget, they

729
00:23:15,580 --> 00:23:18,430
can go elsewhere, really. I mean, there's just.

730
00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:20,160
There's just no way around it.

731
00:23:20,310 --> 00:23:24,690
I think people are afraid to get backlash

732
00:23:24,730 --> 00:23:26,710
if they price at a certain price point,

733
00:23:26,820 --> 00:23:28,960
and then when they end up pricing it at that,

734
00:23:29,030 --> 00:23:31,470
people will pay for it. Really?

735
00:23:31,500 --> 00:23:32,830
Up to you at the end of the day.

736
00:23:32,980 --> 00:23:35,550
Yeah. Yeah. I like that. It's, you know,

737
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:37,750
you as the business owner,

738
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,310
you're gonna find an audience. You know,

739
00:23:40,340 --> 00:23:42,750
it's not so much the idea of, oh, my gosh, that

740
00:23:42,780 --> 00:23:45,160
one person or those two people said, I'm too.

741
00:23:45,270 --> 00:23:46,520
My price is too high, I

742
00:23:46,550 --> 00:23:49,420
better change everything about my money making,

743
00:23:49,470 --> 00:23:50,470
and I'll starve

744
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:52,350
in order to sell these. You know, it's

745
00:23:52,380 --> 00:23:54,330
more so you'll find that audience somewhere.

746
00:23:54,450 --> 00:23:55,310
I'm curious,

747
00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:56,750
who do you follow that sort

748
00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:58,910
of inspires you or keeps you motivated?

749
00:23:59,860 --> 00:24:01,980
Oh, I get this question a lot, and then

750
00:24:02,020 --> 00:24:03,110
I feel like I don't have the

751
00:24:03,120 --> 00:24:05,980
best answer for this. I mean, inspiration wise,

752
00:24:06,020 --> 00:24:08,840
I feel like my friend and photographer, Joy,

753
00:24:08,870 --> 00:24:09,550
she inspires me

754
00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:11,260
a lot from the witching hour. Photography,

755
00:24:11,380 --> 00:24:12,200
enchanted living,

756
00:24:12,250 --> 00:24:13,410
always inspires me because they

757
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:15,240
post so many other people

758
00:24:15,290 --> 00:24:17,070
on that I can go and I'm like, oh, who's this?

759
00:24:17,120 --> 00:24:19,630
And discover different people from them.

760
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:24,400
But I don't really have specific. Like,

761
00:24:24,430 --> 00:24:25,390
I don't really have another

762
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:27,320
wing maker that I could really.

763
00:24:28,110 --> 00:24:29,530
You're the first one I've ever seen.

764
00:24:29,580 --> 00:24:31,840
So it's like, I mean, I. They're out there.

765
00:24:31,890 --> 00:24:34,490
I follow some, but I can't. Like, I actually,

766
00:24:34,540 --> 00:24:36,090
what I do is I intentionally

767
00:24:36,470 --> 00:24:37,810
use their pages because I

768
00:24:37,820 --> 00:24:39,770
don't want to accidentally get inspired.

769
00:24:41,030 --> 00:24:41,560
I don't know

770
00:24:41,570 --> 00:24:43,260
if that makes sense. Like, it's like,

771
00:24:43,370 --> 00:24:45,450
I love you guys, I support you, but, like,

772
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:46,560
you're so fly that

773
00:24:46,570 --> 00:24:48,010
I don't want to end up copying you.

774
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:48,730
Do you know what I mean?

775
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:50,880
Yeah. Yeah. You sound very

776
00:24:50,970 --> 00:24:53,610
self driven and motivated.

777
00:24:54,550 --> 00:24:55,970
Where does that come from?

778
00:24:57,070 --> 00:24:58,170
I'll take it.

779
00:24:59,790 --> 00:25:01,170
I think that,

780
00:25:02,110 --> 00:25:03,110
I don't know.

781
00:25:03,270 --> 00:25:06,230
Sometimes when you're not given very many

782
00:25:06,270 --> 00:25:08,240
opportunities and you just kind of see one,

783
00:25:08,330 --> 00:25:09,990
you snatch it up real quick.

784
00:25:10,150 --> 00:25:10,970
I run with it.

785
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:12,130
I ran with it.

786
00:25:12,790 --> 00:25:15,010
My husband says I have a lot of energy.

787
00:25:17,310 --> 00:25:18,410
My day is very full.

788
00:25:18,460 --> 00:25:20,010
I work full time, I work out,

789
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:21,090
and then I come down here,

790
00:25:21,120 --> 00:25:23,670
I work on things and be social,

791
00:25:23,740 --> 00:25:24,680
on social media,

792
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:26,450
and I don't know,

793
00:25:26,500 --> 00:25:29,100
I feel like it's very rewarding when

794
00:25:29,130 --> 00:25:32,080
I get a really great customer review,

795
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:35,170
or if somebody saw a photo that I was modeling

796
00:25:35,260 --> 00:25:37,120
and they send me a message and say, oh, my God,

797
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:38,420
my daughter looks just like you.

798
00:25:38,470 --> 00:25:40,170
And she was just so inspired.

799
00:25:40,260 --> 00:25:43,590
And so when I'm making those little life

800
00:25:43,660 --> 00:25:45,390
changing moments for other people, it's like,

801
00:25:45,420 --> 00:25:47,300
how could I not have this drive?

802
00:25:47,410 --> 00:25:48,210
How could I not want to

803
00:25:48,220 --> 00:25:49,860
keep going and doing what I'm doing?

804
00:25:50,350 --> 00:25:52,380
When you are, you know,

805
00:25:52,450 --> 00:25:53,550
when you have been.

806
00:25:53,590 --> 00:25:55,320
While you've been building this up,

807
00:25:55,490 --> 00:25:57,920
what is one of the harder things

808
00:25:57,970 --> 00:26:01,010
that you find to pursue this passion?

809
00:26:01,430 --> 00:26:06,110
I think an obstacle at first isn't anymore,

810
00:26:06,150 --> 00:26:08,050
but it was at first when I was starting,

811
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:12,330
it was maybe getting criticism, as in, like,

812
00:26:12,830 --> 00:26:14,250
not specifically criticism,

813
00:26:14,300 --> 00:26:15,840
but when I would get requests

814
00:26:15,930 --> 00:26:18,920
of designs that weren't my own, I would

815
00:26:18,930 --> 00:26:20,860
kind of feel insulted, like, oh, my stuff.

816
00:26:20,970 --> 00:26:22,200
Maybe they don't like what I'm doing.

817
00:26:22,250 --> 00:26:23,410
You know what I mean? Yeah,

818
00:26:23,460 --> 00:26:25,890
but then I was like, no,

819
00:26:25,980 --> 00:26:27,330
maybe they just want.

820
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:29,570
It would be a simple butterfly design. But I.

821
00:26:29,620 --> 00:26:30,890
But to me, I'm like,

822
00:26:31,230 --> 00:26:33,770
I would never make a basic,

823
00:26:33,820 --> 00:26:35,650
but basic butterfly.

824
00:26:38,110 --> 00:26:38,640
But.

825
00:26:38,730 --> 00:26:40,130
But now I'm like, no,

826
00:26:40,180 --> 00:26:42,400
it's actually a positive thing. Like,

827
00:26:42,500 --> 00:26:45,310
they want to buy that basic butterfly from me.

828
00:26:45,340 --> 00:26:46,030
It doesn't matter if

829
00:26:46,060 --> 00:26:47,970
it's a butterfly or something else. Like,

830
00:26:48,060 --> 00:26:48,750
at the end of the day,

831
00:26:48,780 --> 00:26:49,910
they wanted to buy it from me,

832
00:26:49,940 --> 00:26:51,680
but I didn't see it like that. At first,

833
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:52,880
it was kind of insulting,

834
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,060
but now I'm like, oh, they just,

835
00:26:55,130 --> 00:26:56,300
they just want to buy it from me.

836
00:26:56,350 --> 00:26:58,270
Even if I'm making the basic butterfly design,

837
00:26:58,340 --> 00:27:00,220
they still just want to buy it for me.

838
00:27:00,370 --> 00:27:01,950
That's a really interesting point.

839
00:27:02,020 --> 00:27:03,040
And I think, you know, there's.

840
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:06,370
There's a great lesson in there about not only.

841
00:27:06,460 --> 00:27:08,440
Not only finding that, oh,

842
00:27:08,510 --> 00:27:09,570
they want to buy from me,

843
00:27:09,610 --> 00:27:13,300
but do you find that it's a.

844
00:27:13,470 --> 00:27:16,690
It's also a good education moment?

845
00:27:16,730 --> 00:27:16,970
I'm.

846
00:27:17,010 --> 00:27:17,980
I'm trying to phrase

847
00:27:18,030 --> 00:27:19,560
a specific thing in a question,

848
00:27:19,710 --> 00:27:21,430
and I'm trying really hard,

849
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:23,970
and it's not coming to me. So,

850
00:27:24,130 --> 00:27:25,510
basically what I'm trying to say is,

851
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:26,780
does it feel like

852
00:27:26,830 --> 00:27:29,500
a chance for people to tell you, hey,

853
00:27:29,630 --> 00:27:31,670
this is what I want, and then you say, oh,

854
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:33,150
there's a demand for this.

855
00:27:33,460 --> 00:27:36,430
Exactly. You got there eventually.

856
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:37,780
There was a question. Unfortunately,

857
00:27:37,820 --> 00:27:38,830
it was a leading question.

858
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:40,560
A very leading question.

859
00:27:40,980 --> 00:27:43,890
Yes, exactly. If you just

860
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:44,970
stop yourself from a second,

861
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:46,980
for a second and remove yourself and think,

862
00:27:47,060 --> 00:27:47,900
wait a minute,

863
00:27:48,020 --> 00:27:48,830
it's not just that

864
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,390
they want this basic butterfly.

865
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:54,800
It's that there's a demand for it.

866
00:27:54,830 --> 00:27:55,950
People want to buy it.

867
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:57,320
They want to buy it from you.

868
00:27:57,780 --> 00:27:58,490
I guess you better

869
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:01,830
start making those butterfly wings. I mean,

870
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:03,890
it's kind of like, at first,

871
00:28:03,930 --> 00:28:05,190
it would have felt like I was selling out,

872
00:28:05,220 --> 00:28:07,670
but now it just feels like, no,

873
00:28:08,570 --> 00:28:09,550
this is what the people.

874
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:10,790
I have to give the people what they want.

875
00:28:10,820 --> 00:28:11,520
That's so silly of

876
00:28:11,550 --> 00:28:13,100
me to think I'm not making that.

877
00:28:13,110 --> 00:28:14,700
I'm too good for a butterfly. No,

878
00:28:14,750 --> 00:28:15,760
I'm not too good for anything.

879
00:28:15,830 --> 00:28:17,320
I'm making those damn butterfly wings.

880
00:28:17,350 --> 00:28:18,310
Forget about it.

881
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:19,080
Yeah.

882
00:28:19,230 --> 00:28:21,180
All I'm thinking about now is, like,

883
00:28:21,270 --> 00:28:24,710
should I go as the monarch

884
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:29,070
from venture Brothers for Halloween? Exactly.

885
00:28:29,120 --> 00:28:32,210
You should sound so cool now that I.

886
00:28:32,330 --> 00:28:33,560
I now have a hookup

887
00:28:33,630 --> 00:28:37,530
for butterfly wings. Like. But, like, honestly,

888
00:28:37,610 --> 00:28:38,880
I keep thinking about that. I'm like, man,

889
00:28:38,910 --> 00:28:41,960
if someone wanted to do that and, like,

890
00:28:42,070 --> 00:28:42,880
was willing to put

891
00:28:42,910 --> 00:28:44,490
some time and investment into it, wow,

892
00:28:44,530 --> 00:28:45,150
that would be a really,

893
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:46,920
really cool cosplay for

894
00:28:47,110 --> 00:28:48,900
going to comic Con or something else. And

895
00:28:48,910 --> 00:28:51,000
I haven't seen too many people doing it. Like,

896
00:28:51,030 --> 00:28:52,270
most cosplays are kind of played out.

897
00:28:52,300 --> 00:28:54,530
But the monarch from venture Brothers.

898
00:28:54,610 --> 00:28:56,230
And if you don't know that, go google it.

899
00:28:56,260 --> 00:28:56,810
It's pretty hilarious.

900
00:28:56,850 --> 00:28:57,710
I have to google it.

901
00:28:57,740 --> 00:28:59,230
But I could say, chris, I can.

902
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:01,410
I can see you rocking a corset, man.

903
00:29:01,540 --> 00:29:02,190
You know what?

904
00:29:02,260 --> 00:29:03,720
I think I did go to theater school,

905
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:05,960
and I won't say it would be my first one.

906
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:06,270
So.

907
00:29:06,340 --> 00:29:06,980
Yeah.

908
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:11,360
Yeah. Corsets and tights. Yep. That.

909
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:12,260
That's all, like,

910
00:29:12,330 --> 00:29:14,700
in the package of being a theater kid.

911
00:29:14,750 --> 00:29:15,490
That's all.

912
00:29:15,660 --> 00:29:17,580
So, when you're running your own business,

913
00:29:17,670 --> 00:29:21,060
sometimes it tends to get hard mentally,

914
00:29:21,130 --> 00:29:22,750
or there's a burnout or a

915
00:29:22,780 --> 00:29:24,620
fatigue that comes from being the

916
00:29:24,650 --> 00:29:27,010
person who drives everything forward. Because

917
00:29:27,020 --> 00:29:29,200
you're an army of kind of one, right? Like,

918
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:30,540
you're that entrepreneur

919
00:29:30,590 --> 00:29:32,740
nerdpreneur army of one.

920
00:29:32,850 --> 00:29:34,480
What do you do to kind of get

921
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:36,850
past that or get yourself going again?

922
00:29:36,980 --> 00:29:38,310
When those feelings of fatigue

923
00:29:38,340 --> 00:29:40,970
or stress or burnout come around, I think, for.

924
00:29:41,020 --> 00:29:44,000
Me, I give myself grace. Now, at first,

925
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:45,190
it would really frustrate me,

926
00:29:45,220 --> 00:29:48,610
because I was against my nature,

927
00:29:48,660 --> 00:29:50,350
my drive to want to keep going.

928
00:29:50,420 --> 00:29:51,740
But then it's just like,

929
00:29:51,890 --> 00:29:53,320
if I keep going like this,

930
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:54,250
I'm going to want to stop,

931
00:29:54,300 --> 00:29:57,150
and I'm going to want to stop forever.

932
00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:00,070
And so it's just like yourself, that grace,

933
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:01,590
and take the time

934
00:30:01,930 --> 00:30:03,290
back on socials when you're ready.

935
00:30:03,330 --> 00:30:04,290
Sometimes it takes me a couple

936
00:30:04,330 --> 00:30:07,180
days to just shut it all off,

937
00:30:07,270 --> 00:30:08,820
and then I can hop back on. Sometimes

938
00:30:08,830 --> 00:30:11,100
it takes me a week or two weeks. It's fine,

939
00:30:11,270 --> 00:30:13,790
but definitely it happens to everybody

940
00:30:13,860 --> 00:30:16,930
and it's just like your time disengage,

941
00:30:17,050 --> 00:30:18,070
shut it all off,

942
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:19,330
stay away from it,

943
00:30:19,490 --> 00:30:21,350
and come back nice and refreshed.

944
00:30:22,180 --> 00:30:22,920
It's kind of

945
00:30:22,950 --> 00:30:25,520
nice what you're saying about the, I mean,

946
00:30:25,550 --> 00:30:27,700
because your business is very much,

947
00:30:27,860 --> 00:30:29,820
it benefits from social media,

948
00:30:29,860 --> 00:30:31,410
but it doesn't rely on it.

949
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:32,770
And that's really nice because, I mean,

950
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:37,260
your products are the physical wings,

951
00:30:37,300 --> 00:30:38,640
the wings that you make.

952
00:30:38,790 --> 00:30:40,680
And so having that, you know,

953
00:30:40,710 --> 00:30:42,930
being able to take that space and that time is

954
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,040
really nice because, you know, like, hey, look,

955
00:30:45,170 --> 00:30:46,620
I'm just gonna, like, disconnect.

956
00:30:46,660 --> 00:30:47,430
I'm gonna make the wings.

957
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:48,590
And when I'm ready, I'll post,

958
00:30:48,690 --> 00:30:51,290
I'll post and I will then eventually

959
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:53,570
post that there's stuff on the shop,

960
00:30:54,670 --> 00:30:55,530
and that's a good,

961
00:30:55,580 --> 00:30:57,370
that's a nice balance to have.

962
00:30:58,070 --> 00:31:00,310
What I really like about what you said as

963
00:31:00,350 --> 00:31:05,820
well is it's really not just what I'm

964
00:31:05,850 --> 00:31:07,850
going to keep, what's sustainable, you know,

965
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:08,840
because you said, like,

966
00:31:08,890 --> 00:31:10,330
if I keep going at this pace,

967
00:31:10,420 --> 00:31:12,130
I'll want to quit forever. And

968
00:31:12,180 --> 00:31:14,600
that's not really what you want to do. Know,

969
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:15,620
it's very easy to

970
00:31:15,670 --> 00:31:17,070
sometimes get wrapped up in something,

971
00:31:17,140 --> 00:31:19,210
get so excited, and then, like,

972
00:31:19,300 --> 00:31:20,670
wind up pushing and pushing and pushing.

973
00:31:20,700 --> 00:31:22,340
It's like working out too hard, right? Like,

974
00:31:22,370 --> 00:31:23,020
if you do that,

975
00:31:23,050 --> 00:31:25,560
then you're not going to do your next

976
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:27,490
day at the gym or the day after that,

977
00:31:27,580 --> 00:31:28,550
or even the day after that.

978
00:31:28,580 --> 00:31:30,980
And then you wind up having less done by the

979
00:31:30,990 --> 00:31:32,830
end of the week than the person who would have

980
00:31:32,860 --> 00:31:34,970
just done a little bit every single day.

981
00:31:35,060 --> 00:31:37,680
And so there's that ability to, you know,

982
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:38,900
whatever you're going into

983
00:31:38,950 --> 00:31:40,940
as an entrepreneur or a nerdpreneur,

984
00:31:41,050 --> 00:31:43,280
you really need to balance that

985
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,320
sustainability for yourself so that you're

986
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:48,620
making progress and not just focusing

987
00:31:48,650 --> 00:31:51,420
on perfection of getting everything done.

988
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,420
It's cool that you're doing that because

989
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:57,140
it's taken me a lot of

990
00:31:57,170 --> 00:31:59,340
times to learn that the hard way.

991
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,240
Yeah, it's a lesson

992
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:03,840
learned through experience, I think, too,

993
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:05,290
when you step into bigger parts

994
00:32:05,300 --> 00:32:07,010
of yourself and outside your comfort zone,

995
00:32:07,060 --> 00:32:09,250
you all of a sudden realize, like, oh,

996
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:09,940
this growth thing,

997
00:32:09,970 --> 00:32:14,080
it takes time and it eventually becomes easier,

998
00:32:14,130 --> 00:32:15,930
but we have to be kind to ourselves.

999
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:17,960
And I'll just say that so many

1000
00:32:17,970 --> 00:32:20,190
of our podcast guests have

1001
00:32:20,230 --> 00:32:22,880
had that lesson and shared that advice.

1002
00:32:22,930 --> 00:32:24,650
And I love when we get to

1003
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:26,330
hear that lesson again and again

1004
00:32:26,380 --> 00:32:28,130
from different perspectives of that, being

1005
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:31,040
kind to yourself to take a break, you know,

1006
00:32:31,090 --> 00:32:34,600
get back to it. Um, and and just, you know,

1007
00:32:34,630 --> 00:32:36,160
be kind to yourself in that process.

1008
00:32:36,820 --> 00:32:37,630
Speaking of growth,

1009
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,330
where do you see it going from here?

1010
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:43,640
I know in about a year or within this year,

1011
00:32:43,730 --> 00:32:44,670
I want to go. I mean,

1012
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:46,760
I've never been to a rent fair or a comma

1013
00:32:46,810 --> 00:32:51,330
con or a comma nothing. Yeah, like, I've never.

1014
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:52,480
They're coming back.

1015
00:32:52,940 --> 00:32:54,570
I know, and they're all coming back. So, like,

1016
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:55,120
I'd actually

1017
00:32:55,190 --> 00:32:57,570
want to go get dressed, wear wings,

1018
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:00,040
and go and experience one and then

1019
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,290
kind of scope out how it is to

1020
00:33:02,300 --> 00:33:03,820
be a vendor there and all this stuff

1021
00:33:03,850 --> 00:33:05,180
and get all that kind of information.

1022
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:06,870
In the following year,

1023
00:33:06,900 --> 00:33:09,570
I'd like to actually set up and be vendors

1024
00:33:09,620 --> 00:33:12,950
at events and things like that. This year,

1025
00:33:13,060 --> 00:33:14,460
I'd like to scope it out and

1026
00:33:14,530 --> 00:33:16,080
see what's going on on the ground.

1027
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:16,800
That's pretty

1028
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,210
fun research, too, right? Oh, yeah,

1029
00:33:19,380 --> 00:33:20,020
go out there,

1030
00:33:20,050 --> 00:33:22,160
you get to rock your different wings and, like,

1031
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:23,950
go see all the other vendors. Like, that's.

1032
00:33:24,020 --> 00:33:25,660
That's the really fun part of, like,

1033
00:33:25,710 --> 00:33:28,220
doing the entrepreneurial thing,

1034
00:33:28,270 --> 00:33:29,330
going out there and research.

1035
00:33:29,460 --> 00:33:33,120
Do you have any conferences, conventions?

1036
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,100
Conventions is what they're called, right? Do

1037
00:33:35,110 --> 00:33:36,620
you have any conventions that you're like, man,

1038
00:33:36,650 --> 00:33:37,770
I can't wait to go to this, or,

1039
00:33:37,780 --> 00:33:39,580
this is a dream convention to actually be at.

1040
00:33:39,690 --> 00:33:40,360
I mean, I really

1041
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,270
wanted to go to Black Friday this year,

1042
00:33:42,380 --> 00:33:44,590
but I'm not gonna make it. It's in Georgia.

1043
00:33:44,700 --> 00:33:48,060
I'm in Massachusetts renovating our bathroom.

1044
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:50,820
Things are expensive right now.

1045
00:33:50,850 --> 00:33:51,810
It's just not gonna happen.

1046
00:33:51,860 --> 00:33:54,750
But I I really wanted to go. Other than that,

1047
00:33:54,790 --> 00:33:57,420
I think that's as far as I know.

1048
00:33:57,450 --> 00:33:58,690
There's a few in Connecticut,

1049
00:33:58,780 --> 00:34:00,370
but other than that,

1050
00:34:00,500 --> 00:34:02,290
I'm going to keep it local where

1051
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:04,030
I can drive and I can save some bucks.

1052
00:34:04,070 --> 00:34:05,820
And, yeah, there's so many local

1053
00:34:05,890 --> 00:34:08,440
things that go on nowadays, too, that, uh,

1054
00:34:08,530 --> 00:34:10,630
like we talked to our first episode

1055
00:34:10,670 --> 00:34:12,370
was with a board game designer who,

1056
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:13,530
he got started in the board game

1057
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:15,400
industry by going to conventions as well.

1058
00:34:15,449 --> 00:34:17,719
And he literally just did a

1059
00:34:17,730 --> 00:34:20,360
couple around his area and then

1060
00:34:20,530 --> 00:34:22,500
eventually made the jump to be like, okay,

1061
00:34:22,530 --> 00:34:23,800
on my next one,

1062
00:34:23,810 --> 00:34:25,060
I'm gonna go out of state, and

1063
00:34:25,090 --> 00:34:26,980
then I'm gonna go across the country for one.

1064
00:34:27,010 --> 00:34:28,540
And then eventually you just became, like,

1065
00:34:28,570 --> 00:34:30,449
this household name in the business.

1066
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:32,800
But you think about that. It's like that, that

1067
00:34:32,850 --> 00:34:35,230
process of getting out there on live events.

1068
00:34:35,389 --> 00:34:37,770
It's, I think, a real vehicle for people

1069
00:34:37,820 --> 00:34:39,179
to really get noticed into an

1070
00:34:39,210 --> 00:34:41,550
industry and was taken away for a while.

1071
00:34:41,590 --> 00:34:42,010
Right.

1072
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:43,909
This is really exciting that it's coming back,

1073
00:34:43,949 --> 00:34:44,530
and I think it'll

1074
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:46,310
be a big game changer. For one,

1075
00:34:46,340 --> 00:34:46,929
I think your business,

1076
00:34:46,969 --> 00:34:48,340
but also many businesses out there,

1077
00:34:48,350 --> 00:34:49,750
if you can find the live events and

1078
00:34:49,780 --> 00:34:52,190
local events that happen in your niche,

1079
00:34:53,010 --> 00:34:56,230
what's some really bad advice you got in your

1080
00:34:56,260 --> 00:34:59,070
niche or in your business as you were growing?

1081
00:34:59,530 --> 00:35:00,790
I would say that some bad

1082
00:35:00,820 --> 00:35:03,350
advice was to post every day.

1083
00:35:05,930 --> 00:35:07,790
That's some really bad advice

1084
00:35:08,330 --> 00:35:10,490
I would often see and be given. Like,

1085
00:35:10,570 --> 00:35:11,950
you need to post every day.

1086
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:13,820
You need to use this many hashtags. You

1087
00:35:13,830 --> 00:35:16,750
need to post twice a day at different times.

1088
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,160
And all this stuff and the

1089
00:35:19,190 --> 00:35:22,570
obsession with the posting was just not,

1090
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:23,650
it wasn't good advice.

1091
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:24,440
It was just like,

1092
00:35:24,470 --> 00:35:25,590
that's not sustainable for me.

1093
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:26,210
I work full time.

1094
00:35:26,240 --> 00:35:28,330
There's no way I can post that many times.

1095
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:29,690
And then when you

1096
00:35:29,720 --> 00:35:31,080
do see other people posting that much,

1097
00:35:31,110 --> 00:35:32,590
it just discourages you because you're like,

1098
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:33,410
I can't keep up.

1099
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,150
I can't keep up with these people. Like,

1100
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:36,340
I just can't do it.

1101
00:35:36,380 --> 00:35:37,290
I can't post every day,

1102
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,840
so I'm not going to go anywhere. Not true.

1103
00:35:41,270 --> 00:35:43,060
Yeah. Imagine our brains

1104
00:35:43,130 --> 00:35:45,100
go to that place right away. It's like, well,

1105
00:35:45,130 --> 00:35:46,540
if I can't do what that very

1106
00:35:46,610 --> 00:35:48,840
successful person over there is doing, well,

1107
00:35:48,850 --> 00:35:49,730
then there's no way I can

1108
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:51,470
even conclude I can't have success.

1109
00:35:51,630 --> 00:35:52,000
Right?

1110
00:35:52,050 --> 00:35:53,730
That's, that's not true, right?

1111
00:35:54,910 --> 00:35:57,260
I mean, no, like,

1112
00:35:57,330 --> 00:35:59,850
there's so much to do with making, again,

1113
00:35:59,920 --> 00:36:00,860
progress and not

1114
00:36:00,890 --> 00:36:03,810
just focusing on perfection. You know, there's,

1115
00:36:04,390 --> 00:36:05,170
there's some

1116
00:36:05,240 --> 00:36:07,410
saying that people say that, you know,

1117
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:09,300
compare yourself to where you were

1118
00:36:09,330 --> 00:36:11,470
yesterday versus where someone else is today.

1119
00:36:11,580 --> 00:36:12,510
I like that.

1120
00:36:13,050 --> 00:36:15,210
Yeah. So I'm curious, when

1121
00:36:15,250 --> 00:36:16,470
you first started down this,

1122
00:36:16,500 --> 00:36:18,290
we talked a bit about, you know,

1123
00:36:18,370 --> 00:36:20,390
people reaching out and asking

1124
00:36:20,420 --> 00:36:22,600
you for something and then realizing, like, oh,

1125
00:36:22,630 --> 00:36:24,580
maybe I should do that. But what about, were

1126
00:36:24,590 --> 00:36:26,060
there people that reached out in the beginning

1127
00:36:26,110 --> 00:36:29,710
that were critics and, and, you know, what,

1128
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:30,930
what were they saying?

1129
00:36:31,010 --> 00:36:32,030
And how did you,

1130
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:34,430
how did you wrestle with that?

1131
00:36:35,570 --> 00:36:36,880
I can say that I'm

1132
00:36:36,910 --> 00:36:38,580
lucky that I have not gotten that.

1133
00:36:38,710 --> 00:36:40,730
I've not gotten, like, yeah,

1134
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:42,050
I've not gotten critics

1135
00:36:42,100 --> 00:36:44,770
or anybody being rude or anybody,

1136
00:36:44,860 --> 00:36:45,890
anything like that.

1137
00:36:46,020 --> 00:36:47,700
I have learned along a

1138
00:36:47,770 --> 00:36:49,370
very good lesson in customer service,

1139
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:53,590
I'll tell you that. But nothing, no,

1140
00:36:53,670 --> 00:36:54,710
no one's ever been, like,

1141
00:36:54,750 --> 00:36:56,370
nasty or anything like that.

1142
00:36:56,710 --> 00:36:57,980
So you have a, like,

1143
00:36:58,050 --> 00:36:58,710
you have experience

1144
00:36:58,790 --> 00:37:01,010
in customer service prior to this?

1145
00:37:01,590 --> 00:37:03,890
Yeah. Or with this, I've experienced

1146
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:04,700
customer service and

1147
00:37:04,730 --> 00:37:06,720
just the nature of customer service. Like,

1148
00:37:06,810 --> 00:37:08,190
I see it's a product,

1149
00:37:08,260 --> 00:37:11,390
but it's a very service based thing, like

1150
00:37:11,420 --> 00:37:13,580
when somebody's asking for a specific color

1151
00:37:13,670 --> 00:37:15,940
or being able to customize something. Like,

1152
00:37:16,110 --> 00:37:16,940
I guess I have the

1153
00:37:16,950 --> 00:37:19,080
bad habit of being very available. So, like,

1154
00:37:19,110 --> 00:37:21,220
if I get a message and I'm sleeping

1155
00:37:21,270 --> 00:37:24,550
and I feel that phone vibrating, I'm. I'm up.

1156
00:37:24,740 --> 00:37:25,550
Dang.

1157
00:37:26,890 --> 00:37:28,700
Because people are in different time zones.

1158
00:37:28,750 --> 00:37:30,420
So then I'm like, no, this is. I'm like,

1159
00:37:30,430 --> 00:37:31,350
customer service.

1160
00:37:31,770 --> 00:37:32,400
Oh, wow.

1161
00:37:32,470 --> 00:37:33,660
While the iron's hot, too.

1162
00:37:33,710 --> 00:37:35,790
Yeah, yeah. I'm like, oh, oh. What colors?

1163
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:36,760
I don't have it. I'm like,

1164
00:37:36,790 --> 00:37:38,390
let me go buy the colors right now.

1165
00:37:38,530 --> 00:37:39,840
But that's just the

1166
00:37:39,850 --> 00:37:40,960
way I am with the customer service.

1167
00:37:41,010 --> 00:37:42,050
It's like they're.

1168
00:37:42,830 --> 00:37:44,390
They do say the customer's always right.

1169
00:37:44,430 --> 00:37:46,260
They kind of are. But, I mean, sometimes

1170
00:37:46,290 --> 00:37:47,720
you just gotta let them down a little gently.

1171
00:37:47,770 --> 00:37:48,740
But for the most part,

1172
00:37:48,770 --> 00:37:49,760
they are always right. And

1173
00:37:49,770 --> 00:37:51,860
you do try and service them as best as you can.

1174
00:37:52,010 --> 00:37:55,690
Because one bad review, it's over, folks.

1175
00:37:56,950 --> 00:37:58,970
Whoa. That's quite the feeling.

1176
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:00,770
I bet that's like thin ice.

1177
00:38:01,350 --> 00:38:04,340
It feels like it like when somebody's messaging

1178
00:38:04,370 --> 00:38:08,120
you on Etsy or via DM's on Instagram. Like,

1179
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:09,600
you are on thin ice. Like,

1180
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:12,990
you need to be nice with an extra cup of nice.

1181
00:38:13,140 --> 00:38:14,160
And if you're feeling

1182
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:15,700
like you're about to answer something,

1183
00:38:15,790 --> 00:38:16,380
this is a tip.

1184
00:38:16,410 --> 00:38:17,330
If you're feeling like you're about

1185
00:38:17,340 --> 00:38:18,540
to be a little nasty in the message,

1186
00:38:18,590 --> 00:38:21,140
put the phone down. Walk away. Walk away.

1187
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:23,930
Do not answer customers emotionally,

1188
00:38:23,980 --> 00:38:26,820
it is not going to benefit you. Walk away.

1189
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:29,160
I totally, man,

1190
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,410
I just got a second that with, like, especially

1191
00:38:31,460 --> 00:38:34,210
with comments on social media, so. And, like,

1192
00:38:34,260 --> 00:38:37,200
I managed YouTube channels, and I. One

1193
00:38:37,210 --> 00:38:39,900
of the comments that we get from my day job,

1194
00:38:40,010 --> 00:38:41,460
one of the comments I remember,

1195
00:38:41,530 --> 00:38:43,100
I really got me upset because

1196
00:38:43,130 --> 00:38:45,930
I was very passionate about the video. Like,

1197
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:46,650
I really believed it.

1198
00:38:46,660 --> 00:38:47,940
And then they were bashing

1199
00:38:48,130 --> 00:38:51,380
pretty much our stance, and. And I,

1200
00:38:51,450 --> 00:38:52,190
and my partner,

1201
00:38:52,230 --> 00:38:54,140
she read what I was saying, and she's like,

1202
00:38:54,290 --> 00:38:56,110
you need to walk away. Like,

1203
00:38:56,150 --> 00:38:58,250
this is not okay to say to them. Like,

1204
00:38:58,280 --> 00:38:59,860
I hadn't hit enter yet, and.

1205
00:38:59,890 --> 00:39:01,380
So now I saved you.

1206
00:39:01,490 --> 00:39:03,840
Oh, she totally did. She totally did. Um,

1207
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:06,230
but now it's those moments. It's like, okay,

1208
00:39:06,300 --> 00:39:09,010
if I have enough, like, hatred

1209
00:39:09,100 --> 00:39:12,550
for this person festering inside me. Yeah,

1210
00:39:12,580 --> 00:39:14,040
I gotta put it down. I'll walk away.

1211
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:17,260
I'm surprised that you're so available. I mean,

1212
00:39:17,290 --> 00:39:19,070
that you know, it. You're

1213
00:39:19,140 --> 00:39:21,020
willing to be woken up by these messages.

1214
00:39:21,050 --> 00:39:22,660
I'm not, but I have to be.

1215
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:24,460
Wow. I just put my phone

1216
00:39:24,490 --> 00:39:27,560
on silent I say, like, no, no, I'm there.

1217
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:28,420
I'm there.

1218
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:30,780
Wow. Wow. How do you feel?

1219
00:39:30,830 --> 00:39:31,740
How do you feel about that?

1220
00:39:31,770 --> 00:39:32,860
Does it feel like.

1221
00:39:33,010 --> 00:39:33,850
Makes me excited.

1222
00:39:33,900 --> 00:39:36,780
It makes me feel like I'm, like, on fire.

1223
00:39:36,850 --> 00:39:38,470
I don't know if that makes sense, but, like,

1224
00:39:38,620 --> 00:39:40,760
the progress and just being

1225
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:42,590
able to be available for people, I'm like, oh,

1226
00:39:42,620 --> 00:39:44,100
I got this. I got this.

1227
00:39:44,150 --> 00:39:46,400
I can do this by myself for, like,

1228
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:47,350
maybe a couple more years.

1229
00:39:47,380 --> 00:39:48,260
I'll probably need some help,

1230
00:39:48,310 --> 00:39:50,310
but I'm also able to,

1231
00:39:50,500 --> 00:39:52,220
if I do have employees in the future,

1232
00:39:52,310 --> 00:39:54,010
instill that in them. Like,

1233
00:39:54,060 --> 00:39:55,420
make sure you're on top of it.

1234
00:39:55,450 --> 00:39:56,940
Make sure you're servicing these customers.

1235
00:39:56,990 --> 00:39:58,410
Make sure you're not being nasty in those

1236
00:39:58,450 --> 00:40:00,040
messages and walk away and have a coffee.

1237
00:40:00,070 --> 00:40:01,430
If you're getting upset,

1238
00:40:01,500 --> 00:40:03,070
don't put it on them.

1239
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:04,650
Maybe they're having a bad day,

1240
00:40:04,810 --> 00:40:05,670
is what it is.

1241
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:08,480
Yeah, that's that nerdpreneur fire.

1242
00:40:08,590 --> 00:40:10,630
I think, like,

1243
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:12,680
you're excited about what you do, too.

1244
00:40:12,790 --> 00:40:14,810
And it's clear, like,

1245
00:40:14,930 --> 00:40:17,640
if it's my work, you know, hopefully

1246
00:40:17,670 --> 00:40:19,060
my work isn't listening to this, but, like, if

1247
00:40:19,070 --> 00:40:22,380
it's my work messaging me at 11:00 p.m. right,

1248
00:40:22,430 --> 00:40:24,660
I I'm less excited to answer

1249
00:40:24,710 --> 00:40:28,060
that versus somebody who is like, yo, can I.

1250
00:40:28,190 --> 00:40:29,180
Could I hit you up for

1251
00:40:29,210 --> 00:40:31,210
some professional dungeon master advice?

1252
00:40:31,260 --> 00:40:33,600
Because I think that would be really cool. I'm

1253
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:36,030
all in to talk to the person about that, but

1254
00:40:36,060 --> 00:40:39,310
it's a little harder for people who are, hey,

1255
00:40:39,340 --> 00:40:40,830
I need this report, or, hey,

1256
00:40:40,860 --> 00:40:41,980
do you have an answer to this question?

1257
00:40:42,070 --> 00:40:43,650
When it's not in my passion,

1258
00:40:43,740 --> 00:40:45,060
that's that nerdpreneur passion.

1259
00:40:45,130 --> 00:40:47,500
Switching on that, I think, is really cool.

1260
00:40:47,970 --> 00:40:49,600
You're willing to put the hours in

1261
00:40:49,670 --> 00:40:51,270
outside of what it is because it's

1262
00:40:51,300 --> 00:40:52,960
for your passion and you care about it,

1263
00:40:52,990 --> 00:40:55,150
and that's apparent.

1264
00:40:55,240 --> 00:40:56,140
How do you explain to

1265
00:40:56,150 --> 00:40:57,950
people what you do in regular life?

1266
00:40:57,980 --> 00:40:59,290
Does this come up very often,

1267
00:40:59,370 --> 00:41:00,870
or is it one of those things so weird?

1268
00:41:01,330 --> 00:41:02,230
I just have to do it.

1269
00:41:02,260 --> 00:41:03,950
I just have to do it today at the gym.

1270
00:41:04,060 --> 00:41:05,670
I go to the gym every day, and I work out,

1271
00:41:05,700 --> 00:41:07,190
but I teach once a week.

1272
00:41:07,220 --> 00:41:08,470
So today I was like, you know,

1273
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:09,140
if you guys don't send

1274
00:41:09,150 --> 00:41:10,290
me once a week out of the month,

1275
00:41:10,330 --> 00:41:12,880
it's because I run an Etsy shop and I do

1276
00:41:12,910 --> 00:41:14,680
my drops during and during that last week,

1277
00:41:14,710 --> 00:41:16,440
I prepare all my listings, and

1278
00:41:16,570 --> 00:41:18,760
I have a lot of prep work to do for the drops.

1279
00:41:18,790 --> 00:41:21,500
So I'm not here during that week,

1280
00:41:21,660 --> 00:41:22,670
and they're like, so what?

1281
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:24,160
Do you sell on etsy?

1282
00:41:25,260 --> 00:41:26,720
That's a nice little plug.

1283
00:41:27,100 --> 00:41:30,520
And I'm like, fairy, fairy wings.

1284
00:41:32,620 --> 00:41:34,740
And they're like fairy wings.

1285
00:41:34,780 --> 00:41:36,290
And I'm like, yeah, you know,

1286
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:37,690
people wear them in cosplay and

1287
00:41:37,720 --> 00:41:39,940
all these costumes and fantasy stuff.

1288
00:41:39,980 --> 00:41:41,590
Fairy wings, fairy wings, you know,

1289
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:45,660
and they're like, oh, okay, okay, yeah,

1290
00:41:45,690 --> 00:41:46,890
let's work out. Let's move on.

1291
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:50,330
Yeah. At that point they've got nothing to say.

1292
00:41:50,460 --> 00:41:52,210
I'm like, wrap it up, let's go.

1293
00:41:53,550 --> 00:41:56,490
Does it feel a fairy workout at all?

1294
00:41:57,750 --> 00:41:59,810
Oh man, I can that, that

1295
00:42:00,190 --> 00:42:03,400
I can feel like that would be a bad

1296
00:42:03,530 --> 00:42:06,160
comedic skit right there. Just like, all right,

1297
00:42:06,170 --> 00:42:10,750
let's flap our wings like facepalm big time.

1298
00:42:11,130 --> 00:42:12,120
I was just going to ask, what

1299
00:42:12,150 --> 00:42:14,270
kind of things are you nerdy about outside of?

1300
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:16,150
Outside of, you know, fairy wings.

1301
00:42:16,180 --> 00:42:17,790
I feel like that came from somewhere.

1302
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:18,710
You kind of told us the

1303
00:42:18,740 --> 00:42:20,240
story came from modeling and whatnot.

1304
00:42:20,270 --> 00:42:22,080
Are there other things maybe around

1305
00:42:22,150 --> 00:42:24,230
that or maybe not that you're nerdy about?

1306
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:24,950
I tell you guys,

1307
00:42:24,980 --> 00:42:25,960
I think I'm failing you.

1308
00:42:26,030 --> 00:42:28,330
I not as nerdy as I guess

1309
00:42:28,370 --> 00:42:31,960
I would like to say for this podcast, but no,

1310
00:42:32,110 --> 00:42:33,110
aside from that, I mean,

1311
00:42:33,140 --> 00:42:35,190
I work full time for a candle

1312
00:42:35,220 --> 00:42:39,150
company and then are candles nerdy?

1313
00:42:39,220 --> 00:42:40,280
Did I win there? I mean,

1314
00:42:40,310 --> 00:42:41,700
everybody likes candles though.

1315
00:42:41,830 --> 00:42:42,250
Everyone.

1316
00:42:42,330 --> 00:42:44,710
Yeah, people love candles. So this does touch

1317
00:42:44,740 --> 00:42:46,790
on one of the other things I wanted to get at,

1318
00:42:46,820 --> 00:42:49,330
which is how you might define a nerd.

1319
00:42:49,450 --> 00:42:50,580
And this is not a trap.

1320
00:42:50,670 --> 00:42:51,670
This is not a trap.

1321
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:53,590
You can say whatever you want.

1322
00:42:53,780 --> 00:42:55,550
You could say the host of nerdpreneur.

1323
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:57,840
That's basically probably the best.

1324
00:42:57,990 --> 00:42:59,670
I feel like we talk to people.

1325
00:43:01,370 --> 00:43:03,170
In the dictionary right next to nerd.

1326
00:43:03,210 --> 00:43:04,670
Yeah. How do you spell nerd?

1327
00:43:04,720 --> 00:43:06,790
F r a n k. Yeah, exactly.

1328
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:08,370
I guess,

1329
00:43:08,540 --> 00:43:09,700
I guess for me,

1330
00:43:09,810 --> 00:43:10,990
if I had to describe a nerd,

1331
00:43:11,020 --> 00:43:12,270
it would be somebody who's so

1332
00:43:12,340 --> 00:43:14,420
enthralled into their passion that they

1333
00:43:14,450 --> 00:43:17,500
are like horse with the blinders on. Like,

1334
00:43:17,530 --> 00:43:19,620
I remember in middle

1335
00:43:19,650 --> 00:43:21,540
school we'd be playing ub oh cards. And

1336
00:43:21,590 --> 00:43:24,100
we were so enthralled in those damn cards that

1337
00:43:24,130 --> 00:43:26,010
like people would have their lunch around us.

1338
00:43:26,020 --> 00:43:26,860
We wouldn't even have lunch.

1339
00:43:26,890 --> 00:43:27,670
We wouldn't eat lunch.

1340
00:43:27,740 --> 00:43:30,340
The table was just full of cards. And

1341
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:33,200
it was things like that where it's just like,

1342
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:34,940
it's that nerd passion. Like

1343
00:43:34,970 --> 00:43:37,940
when you get so hyper focused on something,

1344
00:43:38,070 --> 00:43:39,600
you don't even realize that it's not

1345
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:42,860
cool or it's not the most popular thing.

1346
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:44,810
That would be a nerd. Like you don't.

1347
00:43:44,900 --> 00:43:47,420
And sometimes like because of it. Like,

1348
00:43:47,470 --> 00:43:48,750
social cues are kind of weird

1349
00:43:48,780 --> 00:43:50,210
to you because you just

1350
00:43:50,300 --> 00:43:51,720
focused your whole life into that thing,

1351
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:53,860
that you're a little socially awkward,

1352
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:58,590
then it also makes a bit nerdy in that aspect,

1353
00:43:58,660 --> 00:44:00,100
but it's because you're so.

1354
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:02,300
Is are focused on that activity

1355
00:44:02,330 --> 00:44:04,200
or that thing that you love so much.

1356
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:05,990
That's what I would say a nerd is.

1357
00:44:06,140 --> 00:44:07,740
I think the socially awkward thing

1358
00:44:07,770 --> 00:44:10,180
is very interesting because I

1359
00:44:10,250 --> 00:44:12,440
definitely sound socially awkward

1360
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:14,310
when I talk about what I'm nerdy about,

1361
00:44:14,460 --> 00:44:19,290
and I consider myself socially competent.

1362
00:44:19,460 --> 00:44:22,000
But when I start talking about, like, dungeons

1363
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:23,970
and dragons or something else, you know,

1364
00:44:23,980 --> 00:44:24,590
that I'm nerdy about,

1365
00:44:24,620 --> 00:44:27,040
it's kind of like I trip over my words.

1366
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:29,290
I fail to really explain things clearly.

1367
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:32,320
Well, there seems to be so much context needed.

1368
00:44:32,370 --> 00:44:33,370
Sometimes when we talk

1369
00:44:33,420 --> 00:44:35,930
about nerdiness or nerd things,

1370
00:44:35,980 --> 00:44:37,170
I feel like there's just a passion

1371
00:44:37,220 --> 00:44:39,290
that's inexplainable for people

1372
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:41,220
when they get into their nerdy passion

1373
00:44:41,370 --> 00:44:44,040
and there's a language behind it.

1374
00:44:44,090 --> 00:44:46,350
There's things that other

1375
00:44:46,390 --> 00:44:47,790
people won't understand or

1376
00:44:47,830 --> 00:44:49,550
appreciate because you've gone deeper

1377
00:44:49,590 --> 00:44:51,880
on that subject than others. And, I mean,

1378
00:44:51,890 --> 00:44:52,890
we found this when we were talking

1379
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:54,210
to a tarantula breeder in one

1380
00:44:54,220 --> 00:44:55,810
of our other episodes where it was like, he

1381
00:44:55,860 --> 00:44:59,090
knows everything about tarantulas, for example,

1382
00:44:59,170 --> 00:45:01,310
and we really knew very little about it.

1383
00:45:02,250 --> 00:45:02,750
And it's

1384
00:45:02,780 --> 00:45:05,130
kind of interesting to see, like, okay, well,

1385
00:45:05,250 --> 00:45:07,750
the thing he loves that needs some

1386
00:45:07,780 --> 00:45:10,070
explanation as to why he loves it, right?

1387
00:45:10,220 --> 00:45:10,800
A little bit.

1388
00:45:10,830 --> 00:45:12,450
You hear that initially, and it's like,

1389
00:45:12,570 --> 00:45:14,350
who likes tarantulas? But actually,

1390
00:45:14,500 --> 00:45:16,250
as you dig in with him and start

1391
00:45:16,290 --> 00:45:18,110
to feel a little bit more of the

1392
00:45:18,140 --> 00:45:20,310
understanding and why he likes them and all,

1393
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:22,340
there's so much more context around the.

1394
00:45:22,420 --> 00:45:24,440
The love of it that

1395
00:45:24,470 --> 00:45:26,620
people get excited from that passion.

1396
00:45:26,660 --> 00:45:28,650
And I think that when you're saying, oh,

1397
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:29,780
it becomes socially awkward,

1398
00:45:29,820 --> 00:45:31,520
it's because we're trying to convey

1399
00:45:31,550 --> 00:45:32,940
the level of depth and excitement

1400
00:45:32,980 --> 00:45:34,530
that we have in this brief

1401
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:37,430
moment for you. Like, hold on, d twenty's.

1402
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:38,790
You got to roll them all the time.

1403
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:40,540
You don't know what a d 20 is. Hold on.

1404
00:45:40,580 --> 00:45:41,280
Let's go back.

1405
00:45:41,370 --> 00:45:43,300
Yeah, let me explain what this thing is.

1406
00:45:43,380 --> 00:45:43,960
You know,

1407
00:45:44,070 --> 00:45:44,620
it's a game

1408
00:45:44,660 --> 00:45:46,280
that's in your head, but actually, wait. No,

1409
00:45:46,310 --> 00:45:46,950
you don't understand it.

1410
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:48,100
It's more like imagination,

1411
00:45:48,240 --> 00:45:50,470
and we're all collectively sharing it, like,

1412
00:45:50,590 --> 00:45:52,170
just trying to explain D.

1413
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:54,260
And D is its own, like, viral

1414
00:45:54,330 --> 00:45:57,140
TikTok video because people do it so badly.

1415
00:45:57,330 --> 00:45:59,490
Have you ever played no

1416
00:45:59,620 --> 00:46:01,390
joy from the witching eye photography.

1417
00:46:01,430 --> 00:46:02,430
She says she has a game

1418
00:46:02,510 --> 00:46:04,020
night every Saturday of the month,

1419
00:46:04,050 --> 00:46:05,760
and she had invited me, and I'm like,

1420
00:46:05,770 --> 00:46:07,130
what is it? What is it? And she's like,

1421
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:11,170
it's kind of like chess, not.

1422
00:46:11,990 --> 00:46:13,490
And I'm like, huh?

1423
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:16,740
It is hard to explain.

1424
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:18,360
That's not a good sell.

1425
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:19,190
And she did the

1426
00:46:19,220 --> 00:46:20,730
same thing that you just said. Like, you know,

1427
00:46:20,740 --> 00:46:22,120
she was trying to explain it, but, like,

1428
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:23,410
she was confusing me with her.

1429
00:46:23,460 --> 00:46:25,860
She turned me off to it because her explanation

1430
00:46:25,890 --> 00:46:28,530
was kind of like a chess. And I'm like, well,

1431
00:46:28,540 --> 00:46:30,250
why would I want to sit around and play chess?

1432
00:46:30,380 --> 00:46:31,670
But then she's like, but it's not.

1433
00:46:31,740 --> 00:46:32,480
And I'm like,

1434
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:33,500
you said it was.

1435
00:46:33,630 --> 00:46:35,440
Yeah, I would say it's a weird

1436
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:36,760
cross between so many things.

1437
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:38,500
But you mentioned a passion

1438
00:46:38,670 --> 00:46:40,910
previously for Yu Gi oh cards.

1439
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:43,670
And when I was a kid, but not anymore.

1440
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:45,610
Well, that's okay. I mean, I'm not. Hey,

1441
00:46:45,650 --> 00:46:47,720
you know, no. No nerd bashing here.

1442
00:46:47,830 --> 00:46:49,320
But if you know, the.

1443
00:46:49,430 --> 00:46:51,280
I would say that there is. There is a.

1444
00:46:51,350 --> 00:46:52,310
There's some carryover.

1445
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:53,450
I never played Yu Gi oh.

1446
00:46:53,490 --> 00:46:55,240
But I understand the concept. You know,

1447
00:46:55,270 --> 00:46:57,110
you're protecting yourself,

1448
00:46:57,180 --> 00:46:58,390
and you're trying to collect these

1449
00:46:58,420 --> 00:47:00,740
cards in your hands to win, ultimately.

1450
00:47:00,870 --> 00:47:03,320
And that, you know, there

1451
00:47:03,350 --> 00:47:05,910
is an element of that in D and D. There's this.

1452
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:07,190
There's a lot of this, like,

1453
00:47:07,220 --> 00:47:08,670
you get caught up in this world

1454
00:47:08,720 --> 00:47:10,130
and these concepts and these things,

1455
00:47:10,170 --> 00:47:11,810
and you see them, and you imagine, like,

1456
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:14,690
I play this, and you're like, I cast fireball.

1457
00:47:14,820 --> 00:47:16,440
Like, she showed me the cards.

1458
00:47:16,530 --> 00:47:17,470
She showed me the cards,

1459
00:47:17,510 --> 00:47:19,320
and I thought there were yu gi oh cards.

1460
00:47:19,490 --> 00:47:20,190
Okay.

1461
00:47:20,310 --> 00:47:21,430
I was like, are these yugioh?

1462
00:47:21,470 --> 00:47:24,050
And she's like, no, it's dnD. I'm like,

1463
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:24,780
what is that?

1464
00:47:24,890 --> 00:47:26,260
But they look like yui oh cards.

1465
00:47:26,290 --> 00:47:28,090
Because that's what I was a kid,

1466
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:29,730
I would play with and Pokemon, too,

1467
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:30,520
and all that stuff.

1468
00:47:30,570 --> 00:47:32,110
But it's just like, like,

1469
00:47:32,150 --> 00:47:34,530
isn't it the same? And it's. It's not.

1470
00:47:35,150 --> 00:47:38,400
And I like the cards. Yeah. Like,

1471
00:47:38,450 --> 00:47:39,690
I like the graphics and stuff,

1472
00:47:39,720 --> 00:47:41,390
so it kind of interests me, that.

1473
00:47:41,430 --> 00:47:44,610
Aspect, because I like art magic the gathering

1474
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:47,740
is definitely in that vein as well. I'm. Did

1475
00:47:47,770 --> 00:47:51,220
you ever play magic the gathering? No. Okay.

1476
00:47:51,250 --> 00:47:52,730
Because very much like,

1477
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:54,100
you've heard of it, right?

1478
00:47:54,250 --> 00:47:54,860
No.

1479
00:47:55,010 --> 00:47:58,050
No. Oh, my gosh. Okay.

1480
00:47:58,100 --> 00:47:59,740
Because if you did Yu Gi oh.

1481
00:47:59,770 --> 00:48:01,730
And Pokemon like magic,

1482
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:03,130
the gathering is the number one

1483
00:48:03,220 --> 00:48:05,010
best selling card game. And, like, Yu Gi oh.

1484
00:48:05,020 --> 00:48:06,020
And Pokemon are coming.

1485
00:48:06,090 --> 00:48:08,300
Cardboard crack is what it's referred to.

1486
00:48:08,350 --> 00:48:09,900
Oh, yeah. You crack a pack.

1487
00:48:09,950 --> 00:48:11,410
You crack a pack just to, like.

1488
00:48:11,490 --> 00:48:15,070
Feel very addictive for some people to play.

1489
00:48:15,370 --> 00:48:15,800
Yeah.

1490
00:48:15,830 --> 00:48:16,070
Yeah.

1491
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:17,010
But anyway,

1492
00:48:17,090 --> 00:48:18,570
beautiful art on that as well.

1493
00:48:18,650 --> 00:48:21,110
So that's why I mentioned it.

1494
00:48:21,450 --> 00:48:24,000
Yeah, but this is. I always say that

1495
00:48:24,030 --> 00:48:26,110
if you do get invited to play D and D,

1496
00:48:26,240 --> 00:48:27,920
give it a shot. Just go.

1497
00:48:28,030 --> 00:48:30,270
Not try to know too much about what it is,

1498
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:31,390
because it's like,

1499
00:48:32,210 --> 00:48:34,150
it's D and D is like love.

1500
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:35,550
It's hard to explain.

1501
00:48:35,620 --> 00:48:37,000
It is just something

1502
00:48:37,070 --> 00:48:39,790
you have to experience, you know? That's.

1503
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:41,510
That's my explanation.

1504
00:48:42,930 --> 00:48:44,340
Clearly a romantic.

1505
00:48:44,470 --> 00:48:46,350
I guess I will try it the next time.

1506
00:48:47,170 --> 00:48:47,750
I mean,

1507
00:48:47,820 --> 00:48:49,100
but given that you are.

1508
00:48:49,150 --> 00:48:50,130
You're such a busy person,

1509
00:48:50,170 --> 00:48:51,410
you've got so much going on.

1510
00:48:51,450 --> 00:48:53,670
I could understand how it might be tough.

1511
00:48:53,720 --> 00:48:54,480
That's a hard sell.

1512
00:48:54,550 --> 00:48:57,430
It's like two to 3 hours sitting down at least.

1513
00:48:58,050 --> 00:48:59,150
At least, right?

1514
00:48:59,260 --> 00:49:00,500
Because she said they go.

1515
00:49:00,660 --> 00:49:01,920
They go the whole night.

1516
00:49:02,090 --> 00:49:03,010
6 hours.

1517
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:03,870
Yeah.

1518
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:04,680
Once or a

1519
00:49:04,710 --> 00:49:07,720
year sometimes in game. So it's. It's like,

1520
00:49:07,790 --> 00:49:10,160
that's too intimidating for people. First off,

1521
00:49:10,190 --> 00:49:12,370
I always tell my advice to people is don't even

1522
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:13,900
tell them you're playing D and D. Just like,

1523
00:49:13,940 --> 00:49:15,110
we're having a board game night. A

1524
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:17,640
bunch of people coming over and then hand them.

1525
00:49:17,790 --> 00:49:19,970
Hand them character sheets and be like,

1526
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:21,260
this is what we're doing tonight.

1527
00:49:21,340 --> 00:49:22,320
Here's some dice.

1528
00:49:22,470 --> 00:49:23,730
We're gonna have fun now.

1529
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:25,990
You know the red flags, t. Yeah, exactly.

1530
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:27,220
If you ever get invited

1531
00:49:27,260 --> 00:49:28,760
to a board game night at Chris's,

1532
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:31,210
you better believe it's going to be D and D.

1533
00:49:33,870 --> 00:49:34,910
I have a question.

1534
00:49:35,070 --> 00:49:36,830
If you had a million followers,

1535
00:49:36,950 --> 00:49:38,570
what advice would you give them?

1536
00:49:38,990 --> 00:49:41,320
I think that if I had a million followers,

1537
00:49:41,370 --> 00:49:43,050
I would say to them,

1538
00:49:43,870 --> 00:49:45,610
if you're on socials for

1539
00:49:45,910 --> 00:49:47,440
how you're consuming social media,

1540
00:49:47,530 --> 00:49:50,130
make sure you're curating your following.

1541
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:50,950
Make sure you're curating

1542
00:49:50,990 --> 00:49:51,790
the people you're following,

1543
00:49:51,870 --> 00:49:55,370
because it's very easy to get influenced,

1544
00:49:55,690 --> 00:49:58,390
maybe by the not most best people.

1545
00:49:58,890 --> 00:50:02,770
And it's your job as the owner of that

1546
00:50:02,930 --> 00:50:05,540
Instagram account to curate what you see.

1547
00:50:05,630 --> 00:50:07,710
So I guess that's an advice I would,

1548
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:09,600
especially young people like yours.

1549
00:50:09,710 --> 00:50:13,400
So as the influencee, make sure, yeah,

1550
00:50:13,470 --> 00:50:15,110
you're taking that in and curate

1551
00:50:15,140 --> 00:50:16,630
your feed and curate what you see

1552
00:50:16,660 --> 00:50:18,730
every day because it does affect you.

1553
00:50:18,810 --> 00:50:19,910
What you see every day. Like,

1554
00:50:19,940 --> 00:50:21,200
it affects you whether you.

1555
00:50:21,300 --> 00:50:22,560
You're relating it or not.

1556
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:24,460
It's a tip I'd give to people.

1557
00:50:24,630 --> 00:50:25,550
That's a good,

1558
00:50:25,700 --> 00:50:27,120
that is great advice.

1559
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:29,600
And I had noticed as well, on your instagram,

1560
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:31,900
you only follow 88 people, which

1561
00:50:31,930 --> 00:50:35,560
is like the complete opposite of my instagram,

1562
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:38,060
where I think I follow, like, 3000 people.

1563
00:50:38,150 --> 00:50:40,320
So. And I constantly go through

1564
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:42,740
it and take people out.

1565
00:50:42,850 --> 00:50:44,240
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1566
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:45,430
Like, I'll keep it. Never goes

1567
00:50:45,460 --> 00:50:46,940
past 100 because I'm like,

1568
00:50:48,210 --> 00:50:49,550
I don't like what you're posting.

1569
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:52,590
Not necessarily my vibe. I don't wanna.

1570
00:50:53,210 --> 00:50:55,470
Protecting your psyche is really, really smart.

1571
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:57,980
Yes. And as a business owner, too, like,

1572
00:50:58,150 --> 00:50:59,350
these are protect your mental.

1573
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:00,380
My mental is gentle.

1574
00:51:00,430 --> 00:51:02,760
Sometimes I get stuff and I'm like,

1575
00:51:02,790 --> 00:51:03,710
I don't want to go on my feet

1576
00:51:03,740 --> 00:51:05,630
and then see more sad things or see,

1577
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:07,350
I just think I don't want to see.

1578
00:51:08,050 --> 00:51:10,060
I really like what you just said there.

1579
00:51:10,110 --> 00:51:11,170
Gotta protect your

1580
00:51:11,210 --> 00:51:13,550
mental and your mental is gentle. Like,

1581
00:51:13,580 --> 00:51:15,150
that had a really nice flow to it.

1582
00:51:15,180 --> 00:51:17,060
And I totally vibe with that.

1583
00:51:17,190 --> 00:51:18,880
That was Kanye west, by the way.

1584
00:51:18,910 --> 00:51:19,640
That was not mine.

1585
00:51:19,710 --> 00:51:20,430
Okay.

1586
00:51:20,730 --> 00:51:22,960
I stopped listening to Kanye about, like.

1587
00:51:23,070 --> 00:51:25,090
I know, I know. He's a hot mess.

1588
00:51:25,170 --> 00:51:26,160
He's a hot mess,

1589
00:51:26,270 --> 00:51:27,960
but it was him. He said,

1590
00:51:28,070 --> 00:51:29,630
I'm gentle with my mental.

1591
00:51:30,090 --> 00:51:32,610
Yeah. Okay, well, I love that. Okay, well,

1592
00:51:32,690 --> 00:51:34,390
okay, fine. Thank you, Kanye. But, like,

1593
00:51:34,420 --> 00:51:35,790
thank you for bringing that up. I really.

1594
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:38,170
I really like that point because, yeah,

1595
00:51:38,210 --> 00:51:39,700
we totally are influenced. I mean, I

1596
00:51:39,730 --> 00:51:42,200
recently just removed TikTok from my phone and.

1597
00:51:42,290 --> 00:51:43,530
And because it is,

1598
00:51:43,580 --> 00:51:45,230
not only is it a time sink, but

1599
00:51:45,270 --> 00:51:47,280
so much of the stuff that comes up. Meanwhile,

1600
00:51:47,330 --> 00:51:49,600
while I did curate what I would look at,

1601
00:51:49,690 --> 00:51:51,450
it's still just like, oh, my God,

1602
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:52,850
there's so much of this happening.

1603
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:53,920
How do these people.

1604
00:51:54,090 --> 00:51:55,180
How do they post like this?

1605
00:51:55,210 --> 00:51:57,490
How do they live like this and etcetera.

1606
00:51:57,680 --> 00:51:58,710
Do you think that there's

1607
00:51:58,750 --> 00:52:01,120
going to be a point where there's, like,

1608
00:52:01,130 --> 00:52:03,390
a diminishing loss of return on

1609
00:52:03,430 --> 00:52:05,270
these apps being so good at being

1610
00:52:05,310 --> 00:52:08,280
addictive that people become the opposite,

1611
00:52:08,330 --> 00:52:09,620
where there'll be a revolt

1612
00:52:09,650 --> 00:52:11,600
against it and people will just say, no,

1613
00:52:11,610 --> 00:52:12,490
I'm just going to delete the app,

1614
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:13,280
like what you just did.

1615
00:52:13,290 --> 00:52:15,130
Because I'm hearing that more and more,

1616
00:52:15,260 --> 00:52:17,010
and these apps are so curated

1617
00:52:17,060 --> 00:52:19,060
to be addictive that it is like, you flip

1618
00:52:19,090 --> 00:52:21,270
it on and you're like, ten minutes, 20 minutes,

1619
00:52:21,310 --> 00:52:22,220
30 minutes has gone by.

1620
00:52:22,250 --> 00:52:23,370
You don't even notice.

1621
00:52:23,540 --> 00:52:26,540
And people start to realize at some point

1622
00:52:26,570 --> 00:52:29,660
in their life how damaging that can be.

1623
00:52:29,810 --> 00:52:31,730
Do you think there's going to be a point where

1624
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:35,110
the addictiveness of these apps and, like,

1625
00:52:35,140 --> 00:52:37,160
the tailor ness and the psychiness

1626
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:38,360
is actually going to turn

1627
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:40,900
on them and make them less powerful.

1628
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:43,700
On the apps themselves or on the people?

1629
00:52:43,750 --> 00:52:44,850
Like, I think people will kind

1630
00:52:44,860 --> 00:52:46,890
of revolt against the idea, even of, like,

1631
00:52:46,980 --> 00:52:48,340
I'll just delete social media,

1632
00:52:48,430 --> 00:52:49,680
or I'll just delete Facebook.

1633
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:50,870
I'll just delete Instagram.

1634
00:52:50,900 --> 00:52:51,450
I'll get rid of

1635
00:52:51,460 --> 00:52:54,480
all that because I can't. It's like. I mean,

1636
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:55,110
for lack of a

1637
00:52:55,140 --> 00:52:56,730
better example, but, like, heroin, it's like,

1638
00:52:56,740 --> 00:52:59,630
I'm not gonna do it because it's very,

1639
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:01,610
very dangerous in my life

1640
00:53:01,720 --> 00:53:03,020
and because these things

1641
00:53:03,060 --> 00:53:06,850
have been so tailor made to be, like. Like,

1642
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:10,040
brain heroin in some ways. How.

1643
00:53:10,500 --> 00:53:13,200
I just wonder if it'll.

1644
00:53:13,270 --> 00:53:14,400
If it'll switch around.

1645
00:53:14,510 --> 00:53:17,550
I like this question because I. I. Personally,

1646
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:18,400
I have TikTok,

1647
00:53:18,450 --> 00:53:19,970
but I'm not on it.

1648
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:21,580
My notifications are shut off from it.

1649
00:53:21,620 --> 00:53:22,970
I don't really go on it.

1650
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:24,730
I posted a few times on it, but I.

1651
00:53:24,770 --> 00:53:25,750
It's pretty much, in a way,

1652
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:27,920
just a ghost app on my phone. I don't use it.

1653
00:53:27,950 --> 00:53:30,230
I don't go on it because it is a sinkhole,

1654
00:53:30,300 --> 00:53:32,760
and it's. To me, it's weird. Like, I'm like,

1655
00:53:32,790 --> 00:53:35,040
how can you spend hours

1656
00:53:35,110 --> 00:53:37,390
just going like this all damn day? Like,

1657
00:53:37,420 --> 00:53:39,790
that's so counterproductive

1658
00:53:39,820 --> 00:53:41,120
to me as someone that's running

1659
00:53:41,150 --> 00:53:42,640
a business and has so much going on.

1660
00:53:42,670 --> 00:53:43,560
Like, I don't have time to be

1661
00:53:43,590 --> 00:53:45,680
on TikTok scrolling like that. That's so weird.

1662
00:53:45,830 --> 00:53:47,390
It's so weird to me. I'm like.

1663
00:53:47,460 --> 00:53:50,550
But then I can see, like, for us,

1664
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:52,450
the people that are now

1665
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:54,000
getting more and more turned off by it,

1666
00:53:54,030 --> 00:53:56,050
I can see them quickly adjusting something else

1667
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:58,470
that's gonna suck us in somehow. Like, there's.

1668
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:00,280
There's science behind the way that they.

1669
00:54:00,350 --> 00:54:00,970
They do it.

1670
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:02,170
There's science behind the way that

1671
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:03,820
the videos are so short and capture

1672
00:54:03,860 --> 00:54:05,790
you and kind of suck you in like that. I'm sure

1673
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:07,280
they're gonna figure out another way to do it.

1674
00:54:07,290 --> 00:54:08,600
To us, maybe it's new podcasts.

1675
00:54:08,630 --> 00:54:10,320
Everyone and their mom has a podcast.

1676
00:54:10,700 --> 00:54:11,600
It's true.

1677
00:54:11,710 --> 00:54:14,060
There's a lot of podcasts out there. Yeah.

1678
00:54:14,180 --> 00:54:16,240
And I love podcasts. That's my.

1679
00:54:16,310 --> 00:54:18,110
That's my brain juice right there. I'm like,

1680
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:19,050
give me all the podcasts.

1681
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:20,550
I love just listening to people talk,

1682
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:22,950
and I'll work on things and listen to podcasts.

1683
00:54:22,980 --> 00:54:25,520
So maybe that's ours, our thing.

1684
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:26,940
But for the younger people,

1685
00:54:27,010 --> 00:54:29,580
they love the TikTok. They're on it.

1686
00:54:29,750 --> 00:54:31,220
That short attention span, it's.

1687
00:54:31,250 --> 00:54:33,320
I mean, it's taking advantage

1688
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:36,210
of that and marketing it to younger people,

1689
00:54:36,300 --> 00:54:37,850
although there's some content

1690
00:54:37,900 --> 00:54:39,230
on there that is questionable for

1691
00:54:39,260 --> 00:54:41,140
younger people to be consuming, but whatever.

1692
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:43,630
Yeah. Not a lot of. I mean, that's a

1693
00:54:43,660 --> 00:54:44,380
perfect example

1694
00:54:44,410 --> 00:54:47,520
of technology advancing faster than, you know,

1695
00:54:47,670 --> 00:54:49,790
safety guidelines or regulation.

1696
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:51,250
There's laws and all of that.

1697
00:54:51,290 --> 00:54:52,220
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1698
00:54:52,270 --> 00:54:54,070
Quicker than evolution, for sure.

1699
00:54:55,050 --> 00:54:57,460
Yeah. I mean, there is a lot. I mean,

1700
00:54:57,590 --> 00:54:58,600
touching on that social

1701
00:54:58,670 --> 00:55:01,000
media being a dangerous vice. You know, there's

1702
00:55:01,030 --> 00:55:03,770
a lot in there about just how, you know,

1703
00:55:03,810 --> 00:55:06,210
it is tapping into the fact

1704
00:55:06,250 --> 00:55:07,590
that we are such short attention

1705
00:55:07,660 --> 00:55:10,190
span creatures. And, in fact, you know,

1706
00:55:10,260 --> 00:55:12,280
school is an example of trying to

1707
00:55:12,370 --> 00:55:15,450
hardwire us into being better at focusing,

1708
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:16,600
and it doesn't.

1709
00:55:16,690 --> 00:55:19,400
It's not very inclusive because it doesn't

1710
00:55:19,430 --> 00:55:21,480
take into account people who biologically.

1711
00:55:21,550 --> 00:55:22,350
Neurologically

1712
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:24,750
can't focus as well. And so, you know,

1713
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:26,840
there's that issue. But damn.

1714
00:55:26,910 --> 00:55:28,250
Social media is doing great

1715
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:30,930
to keep everyone's attention, and they're.

1716
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:31,630
They're making it

1717
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:34,960
harder for people to focus, me included.

1718
00:55:35,260 --> 00:55:36,200
Should we move on to the

1719
00:55:36,230 --> 00:55:37,900
random roles and do some of the.

1720
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:39,950
The rapid fire questions?

1721
00:55:39,980 --> 00:55:40,950
I think we should leave a little

1722
00:55:40,980 --> 00:55:42,590
time for that and get through a few.

1723
00:55:43,130 --> 00:55:44,150
So you got that.

1724
00:55:44,240 --> 00:55:47,160
That link I think I sent in the server when.

1725
00:55:47,190 --> 00:55:48,180
The server.

1726
00:55:48,350 --> 00:55:53,510
Yeah, it's called brockjones.com, which is a.

1727
00:55:53,540 --> 00:55:54,600
Weird name for a dice.

1728
00:55:54,670 --> 00:55:56,990
I did not realize that was the URL.

1729
00:55:57,610 --> 00:55:58,420
I just thought it would

1730
00:55:58,430 --> 00:56:01,030
have been, like, internetdice.com or something.

1731
00:56:03,250 --> 00:56:04,110
Let me see.

1732
00:56:04,220 --> 00:56:04,790
Maybe I'll just

1733
00:56:04,820 --> 00:56:06,750
pull it off on my phone. That's funny, though.

1734
00:56:07,230 --> 00:56:10,530
Yeah, definitely does. It sounds more like.

1735
00:56:10,660 --> 00:56:12,410
What did you say was rock? What?

1736
00:56:12,580 --> 00:56:13,640
Brock Jones.

1737
00:56:13,690 --> 00:56:17,250
It sounds more like porn star. Really? Yeah,

1738
00:56:17,420 --> 00:56:17,970
it doesn't.

1739
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:21,370
It definitely doesn't sound like.

1740
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:24,140
Okay. Brock Jones. Oh, I love that.

1741
00:56:24,170 --> 00:56:26,410
That was the first actual

1742
00:56:26,460 --> 00:56:28,500
thing that came up. Brock Jones. Dice roller.

1743
00:56:28,650 --> 00:56:29,650
There we go.

1744
00:56:30,830 --> 00:56:33,230
And then d. Well,

1745
00:56:33,270 --> 00:56:36,030
there's a lot of D's. Really gross.

1746
00:56:36,220 --> 00:56:37,940
Different side of dice. Yeah.

1747
00:56:37,970 --> 00:56:39,800
Especially after the whole porn star comment.

1748
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:40,660
I know.

1749
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:42,970
So you're gonna want to do

1750
00:56:42,980 --> 00:56:45,450
the one all the way on the right. The d. 100.

1751
00:56:45,580 --> 00:56:47,980
Oh, 100. Okay. 53.

1752
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:51,120
This is interesting.

1753
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:53,780
So this is a Star Trek question.

1754
00:56:53,890 --> 00:56:54,440
Do you have any

1755
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:58,780
context on Star Trek? No, no, it's actually.

1756
00:56:58,850 --> 00:57:00,550
I shouldn't really even frame it as, like,

1757
00:57:00,580 --> 00:57:01,660
a Star Trek question,

1758
00:57:01,710 --> 00:57:02,810
because I think it's. It's.

1759
00:57:02,850 --> 00:57:04,670
It's less Trekkie than you might think.

1760
00:57:04,720 --> 00:57:06,120
But in Star Trek,

1761
00:57:06,190 --> 00:57:08,100
there are six divisions.

1762
00:57:08,190 --> 00:57:11,620
There's science, medicine, command con,

1763
00:57:11,670 --> 00:57:13,330
which is communication, security,

1764
00:57:13,490 --> 00:57:14,710
and engineering.

1765
00:57:15,010 --> 00:57:18,030
If you had to choose one of those to study,

1766
00:57:18,490 --> 00:57:20,190
which one would you have chosen?

1767
00:57:20,690 --> 00:57:21,590
Engineering.

1768
00:57:22,410 --> 00:57:24,390
Engineering totally

1769
00:57:24,420 --> 00:57:25,390
makes sense if you're someone

1770
00:57:25,420 --> 00:57:27,570
who's building and crafting things. Right.

1771
00:57:27,620 --> 00:57:28,610
Yeah. Right.

1772
00:57:28,740 --> 00:57:31,320
Make. Make a make a better wing. I think that

1773
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:34,620
totally lines up with engineering right now.

1774
00:57:34,690 --> 00:57:35,940
What? You wouldn't. I wouldn't

1775
00:57:35,970 --> 00:57:36,590
expect you to know this,

1776
00:57:36,620 --> 00:57:39,000
but in the star Trek world.

1777
00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:41,040
So I'm the Star Trek guy, obviously,

1778
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:42,480
but in that world,

1779
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:44,580
the people in the engineering department

1780
00:57:44,690 --> 00:57:46,700
usually get very angry with the

1781
00:57:46,730 --> 00:57:49,070
machinery because it doesn't quite work. Yeah.

1782
00:57:49,100 --> 00:57:51,860
How do you manage your stress and your anger?

1783
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:54,590
I go to boxing.

1784
00:57:54,780 --> 00:57:56,490
There you go. You hit stuff. That's.

1785
00:57:56,540 --> 00:57:57,370
There we go.

1786
00:57:57,510 --> 00:57:58,830
You are qualified.

1787
00:57:59,210 --> 00:58:00,270
I work out.

1788
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:02,190
That's why I work out so much.

1789
00:58:02,530 --> 00:58:03,180
Okay.

1790
00:58:03,270 --> 00:58:06,030
If you work out every day, how much

1791
00:58:06,100 --> 00:58:09,280
less stress will affect you, too, right? Like,

1792
00:58:09,310 --> 00:58:10,730
you burn off that energy,

1793
00:58:10,890 --> 00:58:12,740
then you can kind of take it on, right?

1794
00:58:12,830 --> 00:58:15,630
Yes. Recommend it if you can. If you're

1795
00:58:15,660 --> 00:58:17,690
able to body abled all that good stuff.

1796
00:58:17,770 --> 00:58:19,640
Work out. Please, people, move. Move.

1797
00:58:19,830 --> 00:58:20,590
Yeah, yeah.

1798
00:58:20,620 --> 00:58:21,230
I keep talking

1799
00:58:21,260 --> 00:58:24,220
to Frank about that. It's like, what? I

1800
00:58:24,230 --> 00:58:25,840
don't move, dude, we're gonna. We're gonna get.

1801
00:58:25,870 --> 00:58:27,070
You know, I'm like,

1802
00:58:28,210 --> 00:58:29,360
I don't go out ever.

1803
00:58:29,430 --> 00:58:32,810
I know I look that way. Thanks, Chris.

1804
00:58:32,890 --> 00:58:34,310
I'm just hazing you.

1805
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:36,110
He's just hackling me. Okay,

1806
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:37,550
so go ahead and roll the d one another.

1807
00:58:37,580 --> 00:58:39,300
One more time. One more time.

1808
00:58:39,470 --> 00:58:39,880
66.

1809
00:58:39,950 --> 00:58:45,630
66. This is a very D and D focused question,

1810
00:58:46,610 --> 00:58:47,990
and I'm wondering.

1811
00:58:48,330 --> 00:58:50,690
Wondering how much if the.

1812
00:58:50,850 --> 00:58:52,410
I think I said a way to.

1813
00:58:52,590 --> 00:58:54,360
I think I have a way to do too.

1814
00:58:54,490 --> 00:58:55,200
I think I do, too.

1815
00:58:55,230 --> 00:58:56,940
Here you add on if I missed something.

1816
00:58:57,020 --> 00:58:59,700
So there is a realm in

1817
00:58:59,740 --> 00:59:01,700
dungeons and dragons called the underdark,

1818
00:59:01,820 --> 00:59:05,760
and it is literally underground, and

1819
00:59:05,870 --> 00:59:09,090
there is a lot of life under there, actually,

1820
00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:09,960
but you have to go, like,

1821
00:59:10,010 --> 00:59:12,680
miles under the surface to find it.

1822
00:59:13,220 --> 00:59:15,480
And it's typically a very scary place.

1823
00:59:15,530 --> 00:59:17,030
There's a lot of unknowns because the

1824
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:20,110
people on the surface of rely on light,

1825
00:59:20,220 --> 00:59:21,940
and there's not much down there.

1826
00:59:22,110 --> 00:59:23,390
They have this, like, thing

1827
00:59:23,420 --> 00:59:25,030
where they can see heat and all that. Anyway,

1828
00:59:25,060 --> 00:59:26,250
I'm going a little too deep.

1829
00:59:26,410 --> 00:59:28,480
It's okay. I'm picturing it. All right.

1830
00:59:28,550 --> 00:59:28,790
Very.

1831
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:31,450
Yeah. We're experienced, um, dungeon masters.

1832
00:59:31,490 --> 00:59:33,710
So what would send you?

1833
00:59:33,900 --> 00:59:36,110
Maybe this is more of, like, a metaphorical,

1834
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:38,320
but what would send you into the underdark

1835
00:59:38,470 --> 00:59:40,680
if you had to go somewhere where people

1836
00:59:40,750 --> 00:59:43,710
typically don't tread from where you live,

1837
00:59:45,020 --> 00:59:45,790
I would say, what.

1838
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:48,360
Is your metaphorical call to adventure?

1839
00:59:50,740 --> 00:59:51,600
Okay, sorry.

1840
00:59:51,630 --> 00:59:53,920
I know that's my pretentious, douchey way.

1841
00:59:54,820 --> 00:59:56,100
That's not. Okay.

1842
00:59:56,180 --> 00:59:56,720
All right.

1843
00:59:56,830 --> 00:59:59,560
We can go that route too. Yeah, sure. Yeah.

1844
01:00:00,020 --> 01:00:03,040
I think what would send me.

1845
01:00:03,420 --> 01:00:05,810
I think what would make me go down there,

1846
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:06,560
and adventure

1847
01:00:06,650 --> 01:00:09,500
is just discovering the unknown. Like, why not?

1848
01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:10,570
Why not go down there?

1849
01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:12,540
And what's down there?

1850
01:00:12,650 --> 01:00:13,730
Curiosity, then.

1851
01:00:13,820 --> 01:00:14,460
I don't like to.

1852
01:00:14,530 --> 01:00:15,160
I really don't like

1853
01:00:15,170 --> 01:00:16,690
to live in the what ifs. Like,

1854
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:17,850
I really don't like, it's like,

1855
01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:19,330
I will never be. I'll never,

1856
01:00:19,380 --> 01:00:20,580
luckily be that person. That's like,

1857
01:00:20,610 --> 01:00:22,230
what if I would have started that business? No,

1858
01:00:22,270 --> 01:00:23,130
I did it.

1859
01:00:23,300 --> 01:00:24,530
It could have been scary.

1860
01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:25,930
It could have been my underdark.

1861
01:00:25,980 --> 01:00:27,290
But it's just like, no.

1862
01:00:28,390 --> 01:00:29,010
You know,

1863
01:00:29,100 --> 01:00:30,930
I'm so glad that we actually asked this,

1864
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:33,370
because it really touches on you.

1865
01:00:33,750 --> 01:00:35,540
It brings back to something that you

1866
01:00:35,570 --> 01:00:37,420
said earlier about how you started this. You.

1867
01:00:37,450 --> 01:00:39,110
You really did just, you

1868
01:00:39,140 --> 01:00:41,030
kind of tried it, and you realized, hey, like,

1869
01:00:41,100 --> 01:00:41,980
if this thing came

1870
01:00:42,030 --> 01:00:43,790
up and it seems to be successful, they're like,

1871
01:00:43,820 --> 01:00:44,760
there's some promise here.

1872
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:46,100
I'm gonna hold on to that.

1873
01:00:46,270 --> 01:00:47,250
And if I would have

1874
01:00:47,300 --> 01:00:49,690
never went to that underdark,

1875
01:00:49,740 --> 01:00:52,140
I would have never had a successful business.

1876
01:00:52,210 --> 01:00:53,930
And all this stuff, like, it's like, no.

1877
01:00:53,980 --> 01:00:54,580
Yeah.

1878
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:56,220
Those leaps, people.

1879
01:00:56,390 --> 01:00:56,980
And that's.

1880
01:00:57,030 --> 01:00:58,470
That's so cool, because that's. That's

1881
01:00:58,500 --> 01:01:00,710
the true sign of an adventurer. And, yes,

1882
01:01:00,780 --> 01:01:01,310
that could be, like,

1883
01:01:01,340 --> 01:01:02,160
lord of the Rings adventure,

1884
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:04,940
but in this real world,

1885
01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:07,470
you are an adventurer.

1886
01:01:07,620 --> 01:01:09,660
These nerdpreneurs are adventurers.

1887
01:01:09,710 --> 01:01:11,340
They are going out for sure.

1888
01:01:11,530 --> 01:01:13,100
And if there's anything I love,

1889
01:01:13,210 --> 01:01:15,580
it's an overextended metaphor. So, like,

1890
01:01:15,670 --> 01:01:17,770
you all have your own underdark

1891
01:01:17,820 --> 01:01:20,400
that we have to pursue, right. And, like,

1892
01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:22,750
what is in the underdark? It's that unknown,

1893
01:01:22,860 --> 01:01:25,820
fearful place that we get to. You know,

1894
01:01:25,870 --> 01:01:27,350
we can stay comfortably on the surface,

1895
01:01:27,420 --> 01:01:31,180
or we can boldly go into the underdark.

1896
01:01:31,230 --> 01:01:32,820
I like that. That was cool.

1897
01:01:32,870 --> 01:01:34,400
I'm glad we unearthed that.

1898
01:01:34,540 --> 01:01:37,040
Uh, she didn't know where

1899
01:01:37,050 --> 01:01:38,250
the heck I was gonna go,

1900
01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:40,250
but I'm glad we went there.

1901
01:01:41,710 --> 01:01:44,190
All right, now, next section. Oh, well, I

1902
01:01:44,190 --> 01:01:45,570
was thinking let's just move on to rapid fire.

1903
01:01:45,620 --> 01:01:46,450
You want to do one more, Chris?

1904
01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:47,180
Let's do one. Let's

1905
01:01:47,210 --> 01:01:48,220
do one more. These are great.

1906
01:01:48,250 --> 01:01:49,610
We got a little time, so. Yeah.

1907
01:01:49,660 --> 01:01:50,190
Okay.

1908
01:01:50,310 --> 01:01:53,850
I'll roll one more. I got 42.

1909
01:01:53,980 --> 01:01:55,570
Well, you can't do that one, man.

1910
01:01:56,630 --> 01:01:56,980
It's.

1911
01:01:57,010 --> 01:01:58,360
It's magic, the gathering.

1912
01:01:58,490 --> 01:01:59,450
All right, here.

1913
01:02:01,120 --> 01:02:02,400
Let's do 43. Okay.

1914
01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:03,350
Actually, there is definitely

1915
01:02:03,380 --> 01:02:05,880
a metaphor here, as well. There's definitely,

1916
01:02:06,040 --> 01:02:07,060
if you want to help, Chris,

1917
01:02:07,110 --> 01:02:08,140
but you got this.

1918
01:02:08,290 --> 01:02:09,610
No. To explain all the

1919
01:02:09,620 --> 01:02:10,580
colors of magic gathering.

1920
01:02:10,610 --> 01:02:13,880
I feel it too much right now, but I actually,

1921
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:16,050
I think 43 is a really cool question.

1922
01:02:16,100 --> 01:02:17,330
It hasn't come up yet, so

1923
01:02:17,340 --> 01:02:19,540
I want to ask that if that's cool. We're gonna.

1924
01:02:19,570 --> 01:02:20,700
We're gonna plus one it.

1925
01:02:20,730 --> 01:02:23,130
So if you were able to learn

1926
01:02:23,180 --> 01:02:25,990
a skill like neo from the makes matrix, like

1927
01:02:26,020 --> 01:02:27,940
the way he learned kung fu almost instantly,

1928
01:02:28,020 --> 01:02:29,130
what skill would you choose?

1929
01:02:29,160 --> 01:02:30,570
I have seen that, yes.

1930
01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:34,530
All right. We got you. Yeah.

1931
01:02:34,560 --> 01:02:35,510
What skill would you choose

1932
01:02:35,550 --> 01:02:37,930
to learn extra fast like Neo did?

1933
01:02:39,470 --> 01:02:40,250
Math.

1934
01:02:41,870 --> 01:02:43,210
What level of math?

1935
01:02:43,870 --> 01:02:45,930
Exactly. It's a basic skill, but

1936
01:02:46,060 --> 01:02:47,130
I'm not the best at math,

1937
01:02:47,160 --> 01:02:48,850
so I would love to learn really

1938
01:02:48,900 --> 01:02:50,130
advanced math to the point

1939
01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:52,120
where I wouldn't even need a computer.

1940
01:02:52,170 --> 01:02:54,500
I could just code straight out the dome.

1941
01:02:54,650 --> 01:02:55,250
Nice.

1942
01:02:55,370 --> 01:02:57,710
Like, super advanced math that would just.

1943
01:02:57,760 --> 01:02:58,870
Leave people like these.

1944
01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:00,220
These wings are exact

1945
01:03:00,270 --> 01:03:03,030
specifications to Fibonacci's sequence.

1946
01:03:03,330 --> 01:03:05,670
In case you were wondering, the golden.

1947
01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:09,200
Rule or golden ratio. Not golden rule.

1948
01:03:09,230 --> 01:03:10,880
That's something different. Golden ratio.

1949
01:03:10,950 --> 01:03:12,590
Wings like a spiral.

1950
01:03:13,010 --> 01:03:14,690
You can take that one. That's free.

1951
01:03:14,770 --> 01:03:15,580
I'm taking it.

1952
01:03:15,630 --> 01:03:16,030
Do it.

1953
01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:16,830
You're done.

1954
01:03:18,130 --> 01:03:18,680
All right, well,

1955
01:03:18,710 --> 01:03:20,510
let's go ahead and move on to rapid fire.

1956
01:03:20,580 --> 01:03:21,390
So these are going to

1957
01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:24,160
be quick questions and quick answers,

1958
01:03:24,290 --> 01:03:27,740
and if you say something interesting or wrong,

1959
01:03:27,810 --> 01:03:29,250
we will dive into it.

1960
01:03:31,230 --> 01:03:32,290
That's a joke.

1961
01:03:33,630 --> 01:03:35,570
Best Spider man actor.

1962
01:03:36,070 --> 01:03:39,150
The one before Tom. Damn.

1963
01:03:39,270 --> 01:03:40,210
Oh, what's his name?

1964
01:03:40,300 --> 01:03:41,130
Garfield.

1965
01:03:41,280 --> 01:03:42,380
Yeah. Andrew Garfield.

1966
01:03:42,490 --> 01:03:43,530
Andrew Garfield.

1967
01:03:43,680 --> 01:03:44,220
We got one

1968
01:03:44,250 --> 01:03:46,090
vote for Garfield so far. That's great.

1969
01:03:46,550 --> 01:03:48,650
I'm in that boat. Totally. Like,

1970
01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:50,410
I love him as an actor.

1971
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:51,500
I like Tom,

1972
01:03:51,530 --> 01:03:53,560
but I grew up on the other one.

1973
01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:56,060
Yeah. Garfield is a great actor. I'm with.

1974
01:03:56,090 --> 01:03:58,060
I'm there with you. He's good. He's good.

1975
01:03:58,400 --> 01:03:59,540
I'm a Maguire guy.

1976
01:03:59,610 --> 01:04:00,260
Toby.

1977
01:04:00,600 --> 01:04:01,310
Ew.

1978
01:04:01,460 --> 01:04:04,270
Yeah, I know. Ew. Come on. What's wrong with.

1979
01:04:04,300 --> 01:04:06,420
Sorry, sorry, that slipped out. Whoops.

1980
01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:08,330
All right,

1981
01:04:08,500 --> 01:04:10,590
what are your favorite three pizza toppings?

1982
01:04:10,780 --> 01:04:14,100
Jalapenos, sun dried tomatoes.

1983
01:04:14,270 --> 01:04:15,300
Oh, yes.

1984
01:04:17,040 --> 01:04:19,970
And, like, garlic. Like, garlic chunks.

1985
01:04:20,090 --> 01:04:22,380
Uh, what's it, uh, roasted garlic chunks.

1986
01:04:22,430 --> 01:04:24,180
I mean, they get roasted anyway, but, like.

1987
01:04:24,230 --> 01:04:24,990
Yeah, like, roasted

1988
01:04:25,020 --> 01:04:27,430
garlic with the better. Like, in olive oil.

1989
01:04:27,540 --> 01:04:30,990
Yes, yes. Oh, my God. Did you. Okay, did you.

1990
01:04:31,020 --> 01:04:31,970
Have you ever tried, um,

1991
01:04:32,010 --> 01:04:34,420
you take the arlok. Wow.

1992
01:04:34,470 --> 01:04:36,360
The garlic you, like, chop off, like,

1993
01:04:36,390 --> 01:04:39,230
the first half an inch from all the top.

1994
01:04:39,340 --> 01:04:40,390
You cover it in aluminum

1995
01:04:40,420 --> 01:04:41,410
foil and put it in the oven.

1996
01:04:41,450 --> 01:04:42,670
Have you ever done that?

1997
01:04:42,860 --> 01:04:44,900
No, but is that the thing that, like,

1998
01:04:44,950 --> 01:04:46,230
spreads like butter afterwards?

1999
01:04:46,320 --> 01:04:47,070
Yes, yes.

2000
01:04:47,140 --> 01:04:49,180
Yeah. Put it in for, like, uh. You

2001
01:04:49,190 --> 01:04:50,010
want to put a little olive oil,

2002
01:04:50,040 --> 01:04:51,180
oil and salt and pepper on it.

2003
01:04:51,210 --> 01:04:52,050
Oh, that's right. That's right.

2004
01:04:52,080 --> 01:04:52,810
Yeah, yeah. Make sure. You

2005
01:04:52,820 --> 01:04:54,900
put a little olive oil supposed, seal it up,

2006
01:04:55,010 --> 01:04:55,650
and then just

2007
01:04:55,700 --> 01:04:57,830
let it cook for, like, 30 minutes, and. Oh,

2008
01:04:57,870 --> 01:04:58,600
it comes up great.

2009
01:04:58,650 --> 01:04:59,260
It's amazing.

2010
01:04:59,330 --> 01:05:00,740
Yeah. I mean, especially since, you know,

2011
01:05:00,770 --> 01:05:01,290
on that vein,

2012
01:05:01,320 --> 01:05:03,080
because you were saying earlier that taste

2013
01:05:03,090 --> 01:05:04,970
is the one that you couldn't give up. Yeah.

2014
01:05:05,040 --> 01:05:07,330
So what is your favorite meal of the day?

2015
01:05:07,380 --> 01:05:08,810
Like, breakfast, lunch, and dinner.

2016
01:05:08,940 --> 01:05:09,740
All three?

2017
01:05:09,890 --> 01:05:11,890
No, no. Which one? Which one of, like,

2018
01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:13,750
which one could you, like, never

2019
01:05:13,790 --> 01:05:15,540
get rid of? Like, breakfast, lunch, or dinner?

2020
01:05:15,620 --> 01:05:16,950
Dinner. I love dinner.

2021
01:05:17,080 --> 01:05:18,560
I don't really eat breakfast,

2022
01:05:18,710 --> 01:05:20,490
and sometimes not even lunch. I don't know.

2023
01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:21,810
Just my natural metabolism.

2024
01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:23,710
I just eat a big meal, and I'm good.

2025
01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:26,770
See, I always say brunch, but. But he seems

2026
01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:28,440
to think that's not a valid answer to this.

2027
01:05:28,470 --> 01:05:30,600
No, brunch is fine, man. It's just not

2028
01:05:30,630 --> 01:05:32,440
one of the three options I gave.

2029
01:05:34,220 --> 01:05:35,360
I love brunch.

2030
01:05:36,140 --> 01:05:36,960
So what do you think?

2031
01:05:37,030 --> 01:05:37,920
You know, I wouldn't

2032
01:05:37,950 --> 01:05:39,790
actually think brunch is a choice, either.

2033
01:05:39,840 --> 01:05:41,580
I'm kind of on frank with this one. Like,

2034
01:05:41,640 --> 01:05:42,730
I think brunch is something

2035
01:05:42,780 --> 01:05:44,450
you do with family and friends.

2036
01:05:45,030 --> 01:05:46,430
It's a special event.

2037
01:05:46,590 --> 01:05:49,700
Yeah, I don't consider that, like, a meal time.

2038
01:05:49,850 --> 01:05:50,740
It's an event.

2039
01:05:50,890 --> 01:05:52,040
I guess it depends on if

2040
01:05:52,050 --> 01:05:53,430
you're willing to have brunch every day,

2041
01:05:53,470 --> 01:05:54,850
and I think I would be

2042
01:05:56,750 --> 01:05:59,260
just some eggs Benedict. Every day? Yeah.

2043
01:05:59,290 --> 01:06:01,260
I skip breakfast. I don't know. We'll see.

2044
01:06:01,330 --> 01:06:02,240
It's a dream world.

2045
01:06:02,330 --> 01:06:04,520
It would make it less special for me, but, yes,

2046
01:06:04,570 --> 01:06:05,570
I see it.

2047
01:06:06,510 --> 01:06:07,520
I was trying to ask,

2048
01:06:07,570 --> 01:06:10,050
what is it about dinner that you like so much?

2049
01:06:10,690 --> 01:06:13,150
I think it's the coming together.

2050
01:06:13,260 --> 01:06:15,070
Sitting down at a table, unwinding,

2051
01:06:15,120 --> 01:06:16,540
talking about the day and having

2052
01:06:16,630 --> 01:06:18,870
your meal with your partner, my husband,

2053
01:06:18,900 --> 01:06:19,830
in this case,

2054
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:21,320
that whole aspect of it.

2055
01:06:21,350 --> 01:06:22,830
And obviously the food.

2056
01:06:25,490 --> 01:06:27,570
But for the most part,

2057
01:06:27,610 --> 01:06:29,390
it's just that whole winding

2058
01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:31,750
down aspect of dinner versus lunch.

2059
01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:34,950
And sometimes you eat lunch in a rush dinner.

2060
01:06:35,450 --> 01:06:36,300
You sit down,

2061
01:06:36,350 --> 01:06:37,150
you have that wine,

2062
01:06:37,200 --> 01:06:39,050
you sit town and have dinner.

2063
01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:40,770
You don't have to rush dinner, which is great.

2064
01:06:40,800 --> 01:06:41,940
You have to rush breakfast,

2065
01:06:42,010 --> 01:06:43,410
you have to rush lunch.

2066
01:06:43,460 --> 01:06:45,310
Sometimes I think that's a really good fact.

2067
01:06:45,350 --> 01:06:46,510
I've never thought about it.

2068
01:06:46,630 --> 01:06:48,450
No one rushes brunch, you know?

2069
01:06:48,540 --> 01:06:50,010
And, oh, my God.

2070
01:06:54,670 --> 01:06:55,530
Because brunch,

2071
01:06:55,580 --> 01:06:57,390
you've usually waited 90 minutes

2072
01:06:57,430 --> 01:06:59,660
to get into the damn place. So you're like,

2073
01:06:59,690 --> 01:07:01,600
I'm gonna sit on my ass and

2074
01:07:01,650 --> 01:07:03,210
enjoy this fine experience

2075
01:07:03,320 --> 01:07:05,430
and make all of them wait 90 minutes.

2076
01:07:06,050 --> 01:07:08,830
I love paying $40 for eggs. It's great.

2077
01:07:10,250 --> 01:07:12,200
Yeah. Pacific Northwest is pretty gross.

2078
01:07:12,270 --> 01:07:13,890
It might be the same pricing over there,

2079
01:07:13,930 --> 01:07:15,990
but it is not cheap over here.

2080
01:07:16,450 --> 01:07:18,990
How many cats is too many cats?

2081
01:07:19,730 --> 01:07:23,070
Oh, I want to get the cat community on me.

2082
01:07:23,240 --> 01:07:23,800
It's okay.

2083
01:07:23,830 --> 01:07:25,490
We already have them on us. It's okay.

2084
01:07:25,570 --> 01:07:28,430
Okay. I think. I think there's

2085
01:07:28,460 --> 01:07:29,760
no such thing as too many.

2086
01:07:29,830 --> 01:07:32,080
As long as you can keep them clean and cleanly

2087
01:07:32,110 --> 01:07:34,130
and all well taken care of. They're not.

2088
01:07:34,180 --> 01:07:35,490
If they look unhealthy and they're

2089
01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:37,530
flea bags and they just look nasty,

2090
01:07:37,640 --> 01:07:38,770
you got too many cats,

2091
01:07:38,880 --> 01:07:40,730
all animal control to come grab some.

2092
01:07:40,840 --> 01:07:42,060
But if you have to,

2093
01:07:42,130 --> 01:07:43,660
if you have 15 and they

2094
01:07:43,690 --> 01:07:44,850
all look healthy and clean

2095
01:07:44,900 --> 01:07:46,590
and they're all eating well, okay, whatever.

2096
01:07:46,630 --> 01:07:49,250
Have your damn 15 cats. That's my answer.

2097
01:07:50,030 --> 01:07:51,270
I like that. That's great.

2098
01:07:51,350 --> 01:07:52,600
I only have two, but.

2099
01:07:52,690 --> 01:07:54,100
And I don't think I'd get more because

2100
01:07:54,130 --> 01:07:55,590
I wouldn't be able to take care of more,

2101
01:07:55,630 --> 01:07:56,330
but if you can.

2102
01:07:56,380 --> 01:07:56,730
Right?

2103
01:07:56,820 --> 01:07:57,620
All right.

2104
01:07:57,810 --> 01:07:59,160
Yeah. Two cats is. I mean,

2105
01:07:59,210 --> 01:08:00,380
I don't really have cats.

2106
01:08:00,410 --> 01:08:01,230
I never really have,

2107
01:08:01,300 --> 01:08:02,910
but I have a lot of friends that do,

2108
01:08:02,980 --> 01:08:04,260
and they always talk about

2109
01:08:04,290 --> 01:08:06,330
how two cats is the perfect spot, because that

2110
01:08:06,340 --> 01:08:08,180
way they get to keep each other company, and I.

2111
01:08:08,230 --> 01:08:09,580
That really makes sense to me.

2112
01:08:09,650 --> 01:08:10,180
I agree.

2113
01:08:10,290 --> 01:08:11,110
I wanted to ask,

2114
01:08:11,180 --> 01:08:14,190
given your day job, candles or incense?

2115
01:08:14,340 --> 01:08:16,380
Candles. Like incense?

2116
01:08:16,680 --> 01:08:18,660
Yeah. Is it the too much smoke?

2117
01:08:18,790 --> 01:08:19,700
Uh huh.

2118
01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:21,420
I get that

2119
01:08:21,550 --> 01:08:23,840
incense has weird associations with, like,

2120
01:08:23,960 --> 01:08:26,340
college dorms and stuff too, I think,

2121
01:08:27,460 --> 01:08:28,720
but I like what?

2122
01:08:29,140 --> 01:08:31,229
I'm surprised it's college dorms. I mean,

2123
01:08:31,240 --> 01:08:32,700
I thought you were gonna say hippies.

2124
01:08:32,859 --> 01:08:34,600
Oh, yeah, maybe. But there's

2125
01:08:34,630 --> 01:08:36,200
always a college dorm hippie.

2126
01:08:36,330 --> 01:08:37,770
I grew up in a hippie community,

2127
01:08:37,880 --> 01:08:41,569
so now if I burn some incense, I'm like, ah.

2128
01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:43,460
It's like home takes me back.

2129
01:08:43,580 --> 01:08:45,479
I never think of a dorm room.

2130
01:08:45,569 --> 01:08:47,180
I always think about, like, because

2131
01:08:47,260 --> 01:08:49,100
I think the first time I ever smelled incense,

2132
01:08:49,140 --> 01:08:51,020
because my parents hate incense. Love candles.

2133
01:08:51,060 --> 01:08:52,229
They were much more on the candle side.

2134
01:08:52,290 --> 01:08:54,250
But when I was in college, people,

2135
01:08:54,340 --> 01:08:55,050
there was always, like,

2136
01:08:55,080 --> 01:08:55,890
that one hippie in

2137
01:08:55,899 --> 01:08:57,670
the dorm who always burned incense,

2138
01:08:57,750 --> 01:08:59,529
and then it would stink up the halls and stuff.

2139
01:08:59,560 --> 01:09:00,439
And so everyone's like,

2140
01:09:00,529 --> 01:09:02,660
that's why I think about incense. I'm sure

2141
01:09:02,689 --> 01:09:05,220
they weren't trying to cover anything up. Oh,

2142
01:09:05,250 --> 01:09:06,319
I was gonna ask if.

2143
01:09:06,450 --> 01:09:07,939
Is ping pong a sport?

2144
01:09:08,050 --> 01:09:09,180
I think it is.

2145
01:09:09,370 --> 01:09:10,080
Not technically,

2146
01:09:10,130 --> 01:09:11,290
but in your opinion?

2147
01:09:11,460 --> 01:09:12,310
I think it is.

2148
01:09:12,390 --> 01:09:13,649
I don't know if it technically is,

2149
01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:15,069
but I think it is. I mean, anything

2150
01:09:15,109 --> 01:09:17,069
that you're putting hours in and practicing,

2151
01:09:17,109 --> 01:09:18,729
and that's a sport. It's like,

2152
01:09:18,760 --> 01:09:20,149
people that say NASCAR is not a sport.

2153
01:09:20,189 --> 01:09:21,680
It's a sport practicing.

2154
01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:23,010
Are you practicing something?

2155
01:09:23,060 --> 01:09:25,399
It's a sport, right? People

2156
01:09:25,439 --> 01:09:27,439
have ping pong coaches, don't they? Like this.

2157
01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:28,410
It's a sport.

2158
01:09:28,540 --> 01:09:30,040
I don't know. I bet.

2159
01:09:30,080 --> 01:09:31,450
Okay, I bet, probably.

2160
01:09:31,500 --> 01:09:33,229
Yeah. Yeah. I think if you're able

2161
01:09:33,260 --> 01:09:35,420
to be coached in it, that makes sense. Yeah.

2162
01:09:35,569 --> 01:09:36,479
Who is cooler,

2163
01:09:36,560 --> 01:09:38,479
Indiana Jones or Laura Croft?

2164
01:09:38,640 --> 01:09:40,170
Shit. I don't know who Lara Croft is,

2165
01:09:40,180 --> 01:09:41,700
so I'm gonna say Indiana Jones.

2166
01:09:41,870 --> 01:09:43,140
She's tomb Raider.

2167
01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:45,819
Oh, no, I take it back. I take it back.

2168
01:09:47,880 --> 01:09:49,479
Not Indiana Joe.

2169
01:09:49,660 --> 01:09:50,689
No, no.

2170
01:09:51,310 --> 01:09:53,649
Was. Who came to mind when I said tomb Raider?

2171
01:09:53,700 --> 01:09:55,130
Who was the face?

2172
01:09:55,830 --> 01:09:57,730
Not the face, but the outfit.

2173
01:09:58,150 --> 01:09:58,750
Oh, really?

2174
01:09:58,790 --> 01:10:01,520
Like her. Her joggers and, like, the whole.

2175
01:10:01,650 --> 01:10:02,930
And the two guns.

2176
01:10:03,230 --> 01:10:05,050
Yeah. Her whole tank

2177
01:10:05,080 --> 01:10:06,770
top of some kind of tanks. Yeah, like a.

2178
01:10:06,800 --> 01:10:08,210
Like a tank top and just, like,

2179
01:10:08,260 --> 01:10:10,320
looking like a badass. So definitely her.

2180
01:10:10,490 --> 01:10:11,410
Yeah. It's funny.

2181
01:10:11,460 --> 01:10:15,360
I rewatched the movies. Not, okay,

2182
01:10:15,370 --> 01:10:16,250
it was a couple years ago,

2183
01:10:16,320 --> 01:10:19,170
but seeing them as an adult now is like,

2184
01:10:19,780 --> 01:10:23,400
what was the wardrobe person thinking? Like,

2185
01:10:23,780 --> 01:10:26,030
Angelina Jolie, you know,

2186
01:10:26,160 --> 01:10:28,960
she can pull off any outfit, but, like,

2187
01:10:29,030 --> 01:10:30,160
the outfit that they gave

2188
01:10:30,190 --> 01:10:31,880
her in the second movie was like,

2189
01:10:31,930 --> 01:10:33,250
this is so not like

2190
01:10:33,320 --> 01:10:35,970
some millionaire billionaire wardrobe.

2191
01:10:36,040 --> 01:10:39,200
What is going on here? But anyway,

2192
01:10:39,350 --> 01:10:40,340
the movies are fun.

2193
01:10:40,420 --> 01:10:42,570
I am with you, though. Lara Croft,

2194
01:10:42,680 --> 01:10:45,280
hands down, like, amazing character.

2195
01:10:45,470 --> 01:10:47,770
Going back to food, what

2196
01:10:47,800 --> 01:10:50,680
would be your favorite munchie or snack food?

2197
01:10:50,770 --> 01:10:52,400
I like salty foods.

2198
01:10:52,530 --> 01:10:53,710
Salty and savory foods.

2199
01:10:53,720 --> 01:10:54,910
I'm not much of a sweets person,

2200
01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:56,460
so I would say, although

2201
01:10:56,500 --> 01:10:58,720
I'm giving up meat slowly, I would say,

2202
01:10:58,750 --> 01:11:00,540
like a really spicy slim Jim.

2203
01:11:00,620 --> 01:11:01,280
Whoa.

2204
01:11:01,660 --> 01:11:02,620
Slim Jims,

2205
01:11:02,700 --> 01:11:05,350
that's not common up in Canada. But, man, when

2206
01:11:05,360 --> 01:11:07,100
I go down to the states, they're delicious.

2207
01:11:07,260 --> 01:11:08,770
I know. My mouth just got watery too,

2208
01:11:08,800 --> 01:11:09,520
thinking about it. Yeah,

2209
01:11:09,550 --> 01:11:12,280
like a really me too spicy slim Jim.

2210
01:11:12,470 --> 01:11:14,270
If there was a zombie apocalypse,

2211
01:11:14,340 --> 01:11:16,440
what would be your weapon of choice?

2212
01:11:16,630 --> 01:11:17,410
Machete.

2213
01:11:17,490 --> 01:11:18,750
That's an effective one.

2214
01:11:18,840 --> 01:11:19,750
Close friend.

2215
01:11:20,090 --> 01:11:21,380
And then if you need to, like,

2216
01:11:21,430 --> 01:11:24,210
run away and get through some weeds and shit,

2217
01:11:24,250 --> 01:11:25,550
you can put your path.

2218
01:11:25,720 --> 01:11:27,020
Multipurpose tools.

2219
01:11:27,070 --> 01:11:28,320
Multi purpose tools.

2220
01:11:28,470 --> 01:11:29,120
Yeah.

2221
01:11:29,270 --> 01:11:31,440
Where can people find you and

2222
01:11:31,510 --> 01:11:33,480
maybe get some wings from you and

2223
01:11:33,590 --> 01:11:35,710
support you and all those great things?

2224
01:11:36,170 --> 01:11:38,270
People can find me over on Instagram

2225
01:11:38,730 --> 01:11:40,490
until they can also

2226
01:11:40,680 --> 01:11:43,920
buy wings over@creaturesofcraft.com on etsy.

2227
01:11:44,070 --> 01:11:45,490
And you can also find me on Facebook.

2228
01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:46,760
Creatures who craft.

2229
01:11:47,060 --> 01:11:48,720
And I think, yeah, that's it.

2230
01:11:48,770 --> 01:11:50,130
My socials are pretty short. I mean,

2231
01:11:50,160 --> 01:11:51,400
if you happen to find me on TikTok,

2232
01:11:51,450 --> 01:11:52,660
it's also at Tpimentel,

2233
01:11:52,700 --> 01:11:54,430
but I don't really post there too much.

2234
01:11:54,600 --> 01:11:56,840
Yeah. After what we just talked about, like,

2235
01:11:57,140 --> 01:11:57,680
I'm not.

2236
01:11:57,710 --> 01:11:59,750
That. I'm not consistent there, for sure.

2237
01:11:59,880 --> 01:12:00,160
Yeah.

2238
01:12:00,190 --> 01:12:00,960
And I just want to point

2239
01:12:00,990 --> 01:12:03,470
out that's t with t e e, right?

2240
01:12:03,560 --> 01:12:04,200
Yes. Yes.

2241
01:12:04,250 --> 01:12:06,000
Tee pimentel. Sorry,

2242
01:12:06,050 --> 01:12:07,130
how do you spell that?

2243
01:12:07,240 --> 01:12:10,330
Pimentelp and tell.

2244
01:12:10,440 --> 01:12:12,370
Well, thank you so much. This has

2245
01:12:12,400 --> 01:12:14,540
been so fun and so awesome. Yeah.

2246
01:12:14,650 --> 01:12:15,890
So cool that you make this,

2247
01:12:15,940 --> 01:12:17,130
and I'm so glad that we

2248
01:12:17,160 --> 01:12:19,660
found you and that this happened.

2249
01:12:19,770 --> 01:12:21,490
Thank you guys so much for having me.

2250
01:12:23,790 --> 01:12:25,050
Keep it nerdy.

2251
01:12:26,310 --> 01:12:27,530
Keep it nerdy.

2252
01:12:28,750 --> 01:12:30,530
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2253
01:12:31,020 --> 01:12:32,970
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2255
01:12:35,080 --> 01:12:37,560
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2260
01:12:45,400 --> 01:12:47,320
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2261
01:12:47,370 --> 01:12:48,240
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01:12:48,270 --> 01:12:49,520
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01:12:49,590 --> 01:12:52,200
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01:12:52,330 --> 01:12:55,440
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2273
01:13:10,230 --> 01:13:11,970
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2274
01:13:12,020 --> 01:13:14,450
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01:13:14,500 --> 01:13:15,970
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2276
01:13:16,100 --> 01:13:17,490
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2277
01:13:17,520 --> 01:13:19,140
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2279
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