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Yeah, for sure. You know, one of the things that's very interesting about gut health is I find that many practitioners are very bad at it. You know, originally, I ended up with gut problems myself and that's where I found myself in this position where I had to educate myself in order to help myself and because I couldn't find anybody who could help me with my issues. I developed SIBO, I developed like gastrointestinal permeability, I developed a lot of different gut issues that of course turned into...

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autoimmune issues and so on and so forth. I remember I was regularly breaking out in skin rashes and I remember having rashes across my face and it was something I was very embarrassed of, quite honest, because I was young in my career at that time and I was seeing patients for some of the first times and yeah, I kept breaking out in these rashes on my face and it looked like I got in some sort of bar fight or something, I was just all red and rashy. And so it was...

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Um, for me, I had to go figure this out on my own because it seemed that nobody could help me. Like if you go to the traditional medical route for any type of gastrointestinal issue, it is the same thing. It is antibiotics and it is really no answers, right? A lot of times it's go home and wait it out and you're fine. There's nothing wrong with you. It's just, you know, maybe it's all in your head or it's just going to take, take some time and you'll get over it.

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And I hate that approach because one of the things I've asked pretty much every patient I've ever had that has gotten gastrointestinal cancer or even a major issue like Crohn's or something, I asked them, how long did you have gastrointestinal problems before you got your diagnosis? In every case, it was like, oh man, I've been dealing with this since I was a kid or 10, 20 years. And so what happens is people, they develop these lighter symptoms initially.

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and then they go on forever and nobody addresses them. And then next thing you know, they're going to the doctor after their doctor had told them for the past 10, 20 years, you're fine, they're going to the doctor and saying, oh, you got cancer, we need to cut out a huge section of your colon, right? And so this is the story of so many people who have suffered greatly. And so when I started suffering, I went and found answers. And once again, I had the knowledge base, I had the connections, I knew how to go about doing so, but most people don't. So.

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When people come into my clinic for gut issues, first of all, they hear my story online typically, right? And that's where they seek me out for this. And I think that the issues are just very wide ranging. I mean, anything from parasites to roundworms to bacterial overgrowth to just some really nasty intestinal permeability combined with some imbalances and autoimmune issues. And it's a little bit of everything. And the thing is, is that like...

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This is one of the things that's challenging about gut issues in general is that they don't stop at the gut. They go to the thyroid. They go to the brain. They go to all these different areas systemically in your body. And if you're in a unlucky enough position to have this happen to you, then it turns into an autoimmune disease. And in many cases, it does. So whenever it comes to any of these gut issues, I work with...

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so many of them and they're very wide ranging and I find that almost no two are alike because whenever I'm working with them it's so often that I come across somebody that I think I got this and then another one just drops me on my head. This is one of the big things you're going to see whenever you find internet information on any of these types of issues. It always seems very cut and dry. However, when it comes to some of these things that people are facing like Crohn's or ulcerative

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parasites or something, they're very complex. I always say I hate gut issues just simply because they're complex. They're difficult to overcome and they take a long time to overcome and they're expensive to overcome. A lot of people don't have the endurance to push through that, to push through the time it takes and the effort it takes in order to heal their gut. Most people are giving up after one to two weeks because we're just living in this society of...

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If it's not medication that's gonna fix it, then nothing's gonna fix it. And so it's a tough situation to deal with, and it's only because it's tough on the individual emotionally to find themselves all the way through in order to heal these issues. But also, it's tough financially for people as well. So that's in a nutshell what I'm seeing there.

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just like you said, that will only by asserting a proper constitution, dial me a massive amount of indigestion, something that you can start with a teenager as a kid.

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And I would say 75% of people put their heads up. And so, all of a sudden, all of a sudden, you see this loss is easy. So, in your experience, what would you say is the most common threat? You'd find these people, they don't face the kid that they're facing, they don't get help. They think it's a baby, they're all performing, they're all able to see a section.

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Yeah. I mean, I think probably one of the most alarming things that happens that destroys people's gut health is going to be the overuse of antibiotics. If I was to look at my own personal situation, I would say antibiotics all day long because I know that as a kid, I had a near infection nearly every single year and every time I had a near infection, if not twice a year.

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I would go in and my family would take me to the doctor because that's of course what you did and that's all you ever knew. They'd take me to the doctor and I'd get an antibiotic for that. And so if you think about that growing up in a family or in a household that didn't know any better and nobody knew any better at this back in the day. I mean you were just the weirdo granola person if you were interested in natural health at all. So nobody knew any better and at the time luckily you didn't have to pay as much attention to it.

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We didn't live in such a crazy, toxic, unhealthy world. But people didn't know any better. So you'd take your kid and you'd get rounds and rounds of antibiotics. So I know that was certainly an issue in my case. Now I also know that I had some pretty severe food intolerances to dairy. And once again, nobody ever said anything. Nobody knew any better. Nobody talked about food intolerances. So I had a really bad dairy food intolerance. And we ate dairy regularly.

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regularly in my family. We drink milk. We do all the things, right? And I remember getting like really bad upset stomachs as a kid. And so if you look at even that where you're consuming a food that's causing irritation and inflammation for many years and you don't even know that it could potentially be related, right? It was like I was an adult when I figured this out. And then you're on antibiotics for years and years. And it's just sometimes it's the perfect storm. And everybody wants to know.

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How did it happen to me? It's one of the biggest things that a patient would ask me is how did this happen to me? And the answer is, is most cases we don't know, right? So if you take antibiotics, for instance, being a factor, you take food sensitivities and eating foods that aren't good for you being a factor, and then you combine that with, you know, just the absolute lack of healthy probiotics in the diet, because nobody eats out of their garden out back behind their house anymore. You're getting very sterile food.

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which is a good thing in a lot of ways, but also it's a bad thing in the way of you're not getting probiotics from the earth, right? So you just have this perfect storm that occurs and then as a result of that, you know, it's literally just picking away at your gastrointestinal health day after day and then eventually you end up in a nightmare scenario. Now I will say too, one of the big factors that I think that isn't talked about enough in today's society in the world of food is that there's certainly a major, major issue

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with the toxic chemicals sprayed on crops. And this is something that I am like being more and more concerned about every day. And it wasn't something that was like, it's something I've always known about. I've always bought healthier vegetables and stuff, but I actually own a fairly large chunk of farmland and I rented out to a farmer. And it was until he started actually farming my property and me seeing the result of that.

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farming that I go, holy cow, this is gonna kill people if they keep doing this. They go in, if you're not too familiar with the process, they'll go in and instead of tearing up the field with plows and stuff, they'll just spray it in chemicals. They'll kill everything off. So that's one spray. Then they'll go in and they'll plant the GMO crops, corn, soybean, that sort of thing. After it's planted, they'll go and spray a fungicide on it.

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And then after they spray the fungicide on it, they'll go back and a couple weeks later, they'll spray another round of pesticides across it and herbicides and everything. And what's so interesting is that you have these beautiful, perfect looking crops there and there's not a bug on them. There's not a weed in them, but I had fruit trees I planted next to their crops. And the bugs literally eating these fruit trees to the ground, but they won't touch the stuff that's three foot over.

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right? And so you can see that like nature itself wants nothing to do with that. And then the problem is, is that chemically-laden, nasty, genetically modified, sprayed with layers and layers of harsh, harsh chemicals that are neurotoxins, that's your food supply. Like that's it. And nobody's questioning it because most people don't know anything about their food other than they went and picked it up at the grocery store.

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And so, like me actually seeing this process firsthand, which like I said, I've always been familiar with it, but literally seeing it, I was just disgusted by it. And so, you take all of those harsh chemicals and you continually consume those foods. Well, you know, just from a basic common sense perspective, if you are putting, you know, something that kills microbes and fungus and, you know, bacteria all over these plants and then you're consuming it, well, I mean, it's got to be killing all the microbes in your gut, right?

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So, if you have some very, let's say biological problems, a fraud reduction, so do obviously they got frauds. It's a very-

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that this chemical actress is so.

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and that'll change.

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Yeah, yeah, you know, a lot of people are aware of that because, and this is something that, you know, it kind of just shows you the behind the scenes of what's, you know, what we're dealing with as a society just trying to keep ourselves healthy where, you know, that's famous, you know, as you may know, because Alex Jones, a very famous media personality said, it's turning the frogs gay, right? And then everybody was freaking out about it saying like, how could you say that it's

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And that's the most like ludicrous thing. And then now you have experts coming out and saying the exact same thing. So it's crazy because you mentioned the FDA and everybody should know that the FDA is no more nothing more than a fraud organization. Like anybody can pass anything through the FDA, get it greenlit as long as they know the right people and they're paying the right amount of money. And so you're going to find that pretty much any of these companies and these

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mega corporations from the farming industry to everything else that they are paying the FDA off in order to get anything they want approved. Because to me it's absolutely insane that I can sit here and talk to you about things like atrazine and all these chemicals they're putting on the crops and in the ground. These chemicals actually can kill bugs up to 12 inches down.

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Even the moles that live in the ground all split. And people actually hate it around me because they leave the farmland and they go into people's yards and they start just terrorizing the yard because they don't wanna be in the grounds that are in the crops because it's full of chemicals. So you have this happening and the FDA turns a blind eye to all of it. And then they are sitting there, essentially going and making big deals about other things. And you're going, I don't think that matters as much as everyone being poisoned over here.

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And it really is. And you know the good thing about this is that people can see that this is a circus now and that you're going to have to be on your own if you don't want to fall victim to this circus. I think that's one of the best things that's happened over the past three years with all the health hysteria. There's been so much bad information that's come from the top down that came to everybody as truth. And so...

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now people know, oh, we can't really trust these organizations. Oh, these organizations really aren't looking out for my best interest because we know that they lie and they lie. And prior to that, you know, when somebody was talking about chemicals on your food, oh, you're nuts, right? Like you're just a conspiracy theorist, right? Now we know that this stuff is 100% true. And the good news is that people actually aren't buying that it's safe anymore. When the FDA tells you that, you know, these harsh chemicals are safe, people aren't falling

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victim to that. They're actually going and doing their own research and they're understanding that no, these things are killing people. And we have all these diseases today that we used to not have and people are unhealthier than ever before. And when we look at America, especially like in how much money is put into healthcare and all these people are so sick still, like there's something wrong, right? And so if you just kind of put on your common sense radar, you can see there's so many problems from the food supply to...

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what is available to you for healthcare. There's so many issues, you know, and this is one of the reasons, like for me, you know, I have more than enough reasons where I could dedicate all my time to just being an online, you know, health personality and do that kind of thing, but the trouble is that like, I just, I think people need help, right? And, you know, I have an extremely busy clinic, and so, you know,

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I have a hard time walking away from that because I'm offering things for therapies and stuff that you can't get anywhere. So it's one of those things where it's like, yeah, people need options for better healthcare and that's what we do.

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Nick Zyrowski (20:49.871)
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So many states say, well, the women and men are dies and the women are isolated and they're in cements and they're in these black things. You have all these pesticides.

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So obviously our food is a contributing factor. Besides pesticides, larger things can be used to determine the effectiveness. Obviously, if people can pull out parts of the food that they may have been basketting.

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Nick Zyrowski (21:47.684)
Yeah, you know, one of the big, two of the big areas that I talk about a lot are going to be all the seed oils and also the sugar issue, right? Just the over consumption of sugar and sugar and carbohydrates. Let's just lump them into one package. The average person consumes over 300 grams of carbohydrates per day, right? So that's taking a massive toll on your regulatory.

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system within your metabolic health. And so if that's one area that, you know, like if we were to look at that as a leg on the stool of better health, like if that one's wiped out, now we got a problem, right? And then the other issue is the seed oils. A lot of people are over consuming these different omega-6 rich, highly inflammatory, sometimes highly processed using harsh chemicals like canola oil, for instance.

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consuming these oils and when these actually become part of self, become part of your being, your cell, right, because your body is constantly going to take the food that you're consuming and it's going to make tissue out of it more or less, right? It's going to make cells out of it. So when you're consuming all of these bad low quality oils and your body starts using those components as a building block.

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then you just start to have this inflammatory cycle that happens in the body. And then of course, this thing can just keep spiraling out of control, right? Your body's very intelligent. This is one of the things that's very important to remember because though, you know, I may talk about a lot of different health conditions and supplements and, you know, therapies and all these things. It's like the one thing that's very important to understand is that if your body has the right tools for success, then your body can heal. The problem is, is that...

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People are living so far from their ancestral ways right our ancestors didn't eat all this sugar. They didn't eat all these steed oils They didn't constantly eat Foods that were highly processed right even if you were to have foods You know in today's world like let's just say

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you know, pizza for instance. I try to teach people all the times, like look, you can still eat healthy. You can find a healthy version of pizza. You can find a healthy version of that soda you like. You can find a healthy version of almost everything. But you know, everything has become so fake anymore in the food world that if you were to go back and you look at maybe people used to eat pizza 20, 30 years ago, but they weren't, you know, eating it with sugar in the sauce and they weren't eating it with, you know, GMO flour. They weren't eating it.

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with cheese coming from awful dairy sources. So it was still very different. So these are the big changes that have happened. But if you were to try to break it down in the two foods, I'd say watch your sugar intake. And this is something that's important to understand too, because even the sugar that was consumed by our ancestors versus the sugar that's consumed today is highly processed. Very different animal. I actually live in farmland country where they, I mean one of the big crops is sugar beets.

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in the northeastern United States, that's a major source of sugar. GMO crop, highly sprayed. The sugar process in order to extract the sugar from the bees, highly processed, uses harsh chemicals during the extraction. So you take all these different things and it's like, okay, that's very different than getting some sugar that's coming from a very good, healthy, natural source. So we have to look at every little detail. And this is where...

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It's funny to me because I see all the time where people go, oh, well, if I can't have sugar and wheat, then what am I supposed to eat? Everything has it in it. Well, it's like, no, well, first of all, let's just start on trying to find healthier sources, right? And so you can always break down your diet into a couple of categories. And one thing that you want to do within a healthier diet is you always want to make lateral shifts to healthier foods. And so...

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Like I said, those are the two big ones, but we always want to make sure that we're making those healthier choices no matter what foods we're eating. Because I think the most sustainable way to follow a healthy diet is to eat the foods you love, right? If you like ice cream, great. Find a good quality, healthier ice cream that's not loaded with sugar, coming from a good dairy source, right? There's always better options out there.

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So powerful, so powerful, so...

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So it's pretty out of size.

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So, thank you for watching my video.

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Yeah, I think that whenever we talk about eating healthy, the first thing that happens is we make it way too complicated.

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first thing I say is, okay, focus on meat and vegetables. And quite frankly for me, if I don't have the time to focus on being healthy and eating healthy and getting organic produce and that kind of thing, I just focus on eating meat. That's all I do, because I know that I can find good quality meat sources and it's just easy for me. And quite frankly, it's like, even today, I mean, I got it.

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lasers being installed in my clinic here today. And we're running like mad crazy here. Huge event, thousands of people coming out tomorrow. So we have a lot going on. So I am amongst the people who have an enormous amount on my plate and a lot of stress. And I fall into that category all the time where, hey, I don't have the time to think about what I'm going to eat, right? And that's what I always lean towards is I can get,

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you know, meat and typically you can find some healthy vegetables or fruit too even if you're not just doing meat alone. As far as a family goes though, man, you really got to go back to a lot of your roots and I can only speak on like what we do in our house and you know, I mean, my wife will make sourdough.

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Bread with like ancient grains, right? So that's if we're having like some carbs and breads in the house and like that It's all homemade. None of the fillers none of the crap in it, right? It's just like good wholesome Bread if we're you know Going and trying to stay on a budget of course, which we always are because everybody knows that food is so expensive anymore You know, we'll buy eggs in a lot of different foods

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locally from the farmers. I can drive within a five mile radius of my house and there's 10 different farmers selling eggs for $2 to $3 a dozen. Farm fresh eggs right in their backyard. So there's stuff like that. And so I would say that if you want to start eating healthy, find your local resources of places you can get food and you're not paying a fortune for it. If you're only buying from a grocery store.

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you're definitely going to struggle with paying high prices because everything is high price today. So, you know, a carton of eggs is equivalent to what we get from local farmers. In the grocery store, it's probably like six, eight bucks, right? Whereas we're getting them for two. You know, we buy all of our meat locally. So we're getting, you know, good, really good proteins like eggs and meat. We're getting, you know, there's vegetable stands and farmers all around us. We buy from them. And you might say, well, I don't live in an area that has all this stuff.

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Well, simply go to a farmer's market and build connections with these people. I lived in the city. I don't live in the city anymore, but when I used to live in Atlanta, that's what I did. We went and same thing. We knew the local farmers, where they were going, which farmer's market, who we like to buy from, and we'd buy around. And then today, we do the exact same thing. And it's just what's worked for us in order to save money and eat healthy. And we even buy milk locally.

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person down the road, raw milk, raw grass-fed milk, fantastic, right? And we take that milk and we make cream and butter with it. And my wife is very handy. She likes and enjoys doing this stuff in the kitchen as well. So we are very locally based as far as our food source. And of course, we're still going to the grocery store and the Costco and all of that stuff, right? Because that's just normal life and what you're probably gonna have to do to make all your ends meet as far as your food that you're purchasing. But...

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Don't get caught up in how expensive it is. Try to find local sources and resources that are lesser expensive because it certainly exists. And then, once again, don't get into all the tiny details of what it takes to eat healthy. Think meat and vegetables. And then if you're even doing things like I said where you're making bread at home and you're doing some of these...

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you know making some of these foods you're making some pizza on whatever at least you can assure yourself that there's not all the chemicals and garbage in it if you're buying good quality ingredients right. So you know that's really where to start I don't like to make things complex because once again I'm not somebody who puts in a huge amount of time into my diet I am the most simplistic diet person that is out there and it's not because I don't enjoy good food it's just like honestly.

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If my wife wouldn't have put me a lunch together this morning, I wouldn't be eating lunch today because I don't have time. So like I'm pretty bad with that stuff, you know. So it's just one of those things where keep it simple. Don't think that diet means complex. That's the best I can tell you.

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we've eaten. We've got all stops. It's a little bit cold.

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And I was all thinking for me, four dollars, because I'm a full chicken. But the real is, not expensive. The currency, that's like seven dollars, right? For a whole chicken. Because if you buy chicken for less, you're gonna pay six times more. So you gotta, so he's gonna learn how to keep his dog things. But the chicken side by side, what is for four dollars?

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For an extra year and a half, you're going to get grass fed, drink milk, drink milk, and see the dogs, the cats, the dogs, the dogs, all kinds of things from the earth, but it's got a better future in mind. So, please, don't just buy chicken breast and choice from the world. So, please, this year, what do you understand? Feed them. I think. Yeah, yeah, you know, funny that you bring up chicken, so...

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You know, we have like good sources for a lot of different foods, but we didn't have a good chicken source. And then I realized, you know what? It's actually really easy to raise your own meat chickens. So every year we do about 30 meat chickens and you know, we raise them exactly how we want them. We feed them how we want them. They're out, you know, grazing and they come out fantastic. And the thing is, so we raise them and they're healthier than any chicken that you're going to buy at your typical grocery store.

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and it saves us like $900 to raise them in Butcheroam. I mean, the whole process, it saves us like 900 bucks.

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It is. And the big thing for me is that I actually just wanted to be able to know what these animals were eating. And it was kind of a challenge to me. Like I grew up on a farm. I'm familiar with this kind of stuff. But I grew up on very conventional farming styles. And so to me, I was like, oh, well, how could we actually raise these chickens and give them the nutrients they need and make them healthy and do all the things? And so it was a little bit of a challenge.

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for me to accomplish, but you know, I did it and we enjoyed it. It was so easy. It's like It was like effortless and so, you know We just decided to do it every year and then as funny since some other people saw that we were doing it and they started Doing it now. It's like a big thing, you know

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sites. I'll read it for you. Interesting.

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Well, I don't think it's gonna be a good thing, right? I don't wanna have parasites in my body, but on the same hand, it's something that is, you know, I don't even wanna say it's wildly common. You know, and so I'm very cautious with this topic because there's a lot of people that you're gonna hear online that will basically make it sound like everybody has parasites, right? And that's not really gonna be true, right? Like everybody's not walking around infested with parasites. I mean, look, if you're in a...

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third world country and you're eating very poor quality food sources and that kind of thing, yeah, there's a good chance that could more likely be the case. But it's not that everybody has parasites, but the ones who do, it's a real problem. And so I deal with this a decent amount and it typically shows up in the fashion where an individual shows up. They've had gut issues forever. They've gone to multiple people who work in functional medicine and natural doctors and all that.

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And they ran them through a parasite cleanse and told them that their parasites are gone so therefore they show up to me and they're going, I still have all the problems but they said that I'm clear to parasites. So my first thing is if somebody has parasites, if they say they have parasites, I'm first of all skeptical because most people aren't doing any type of testing to determine if they have parasites. It's a lot of like muscle testing and there's a lot of stuff out there. Or it's kind of just like thrown off the cuff. Oh, it's all these symptoms. You have parasites, right?

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So first of all, I want to identify if they actually have parasites. And if they do have them, then it's a real bugger to get rid of them. It really is. I hate when people have parasites because it is such a pain in the butt to get rid of them. And then the other thing that we're going to typically find though is, you know, maybe somebody says they have parasites, but they also, or they don't even have parasites. They have other issues like roundworms and stuff like that going on. So now there's a huge amount of different variety of all of these different...

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you know, parasites and roundworms. And so the big problem is that people's gut health is so unhealthy that you're not able to fight this stuff off well, right? So if we back up a little bit, we can look at your microbiome. Your microbiome will help you fight parasites. If your immune system is healthy, your immune system will help you fight parasites, roundworms, and all the things, right? It's capable of helping...

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These two areas are very capable of helping you fight off all of these pathogens, but many people are compromised in both of them, right? Their immune health and also their microbiome. So then when you have these different opportunistic pathogens, they tend to just thrive in people because there's nothing stopping them, right? It's like, you know, the guards are gone and they're there to party. And so, you know...

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When you have people who are suffering from parasites, though, in my experience, it's not just parasites alone. It usually is a whole host of issues. Like these people have layers of gastrointestinal problems. They have intestinal permeability, they got some food sensitivities they've ignored forever, they have a candida yeast issue, they got, you know, bacterial overgrowth over here. I mean, it's usually a whole monster host of problems that people are struggling with. So, parasites are reality.

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They're not something that are good to have in you. And the thing is, is that, you know, you kind of said, well, are they good? Are they bad? Like, there's a certain level of, like, all of these different pathogens that are going to live in our body. And that's okay because it's gross as it may sound. These bacteria, the fungus, all these things, they are going to, like, reside in a normal way within our body if things are controlled. It's when things aren't controlled.

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And then of course there are certain parasites like you don't want to have in your body period. So it's a very complex topic. And the thing is too is that with the different roundworms and parasites, you really have to take many different approaches in order to get rid of them. And so it's like every time I hear of the magic protocol, I can't wait to use it and then I use it to find out that, oh, that one didn't work too.

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So, these issues are very complex. They're very personalized, right? There's not a one-size-fits-all type of approach to these different issues. And the thing is, is there a bugger to get rid of? A lot of people will go to a functional medicine practitioner and they'll tell them they got rid of their parasites and they didn't. They can maybe make some of these things kind of dormant in the body, some of these pathogens to where they're not affecting them as much anymore. But then it's like you give those pathogens...

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you know, a break and all of a sudden they come back strong, right? And then all the symptoms are back, maybe even worse. So it's very complex. It's very complex. And this is why I said like gut issues can be really tough. You know, one of my friends is a biochemist and he actually has many patents and different strains of bacteria. He has developed a lot of really cool stuff in the microbiome world and continues to.

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And I talk to him all the time about it. And it's really interesting because I work on these things and I see this and I have this level of frustration of like, man, I just wanna get this person better and it's not working. Why aren't these protocols working? And then I'll talk to him and oh yeah, yeah. This is very complex. Let's try this, let's try this. Because there's never cookie cutter plans to getting these things out of your system. It really comes down to like, okay, what exactly is it?

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What are they gonna react poorly to? You try to take a very targeted approach and you hope it works. Sometimes it doesn't work and you, you know, just have to keep pivoting and then eventually we can get rid of it. But it's always, it's always complex. It's not an easy situation to have parasites or roundworms or any of these issues.

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I mean, I have pets too, and you know, you have situations where you get flies all over their food. You have obviously like a lot of these factories that make these different foods. I mean, they aren't making sure that it's sanitary at all.

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You know, my pets are going to go outside. I mean, it's nothing more frustrating than we let our dog out and then she goes down the road and eats a dead deer that's been rotting on the side of the road for like two weeks, you know, and it happens, right? So like dogs and cats and animals get into things they shouldn't be in. But and then also a lot of the food that people do feed their pets is just awful junk, right? It's actually was just one of my patients is a veterinarian. We were just talking about how garbage.

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of food that people feed their animals and how it's causing all these health problems in them. So, you know, it's hard to make those two comparisons, but I will say that I don't believe that we can't get parasites. I think it's a problem, but I also think that there's a lot of people who just think everything is parasites, right? There's these different companies out there and, you know, I pay attention to what's going on all over in the healthcare world and I guess that I have some friends that are pretty high up in the microbiome space.

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as far as like leading research and stuff like that. And so I'm always balancing ideas off of them and thoughts and they like talking to me because they take a different perspective when they're working on things in a lab versus how I do things clinically. And so they like to hear what I think and the struggles that I'm having clinically. And when things are working in a lab and showing a certain result, but they don't actually, those same results don't actually go and...

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work in a clinical setting, it's like, oh, that's surprising. Why didn't that work? And so I even work with some of these different labs as kind of like an extension of their lab because they want to constantly know what's going on, boots on the ground, so to speak. So back to that topic of, yeah, people can definitely get parasites. People eat sushi. People eat a lot of foods. I mean, it's like you can sometimes even see these videos going around the internet of

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You know, there's like a slice of meat in the store and there's a parasite right in that thing like wiggling around, like coming out of the steak or something, right? So this is all totally a reality that it can happen. I just think that the idea that everybody has parasites and everybody needs to do a parasite cleanse and then back to where I was talking about before, there's some companies out there that are, you know, kind of like, they have systems that are...

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How do I say this? Convincing people that they're pooping out parasites all the time when they're not, right? There's some different ingredients in their formulas that make it look like you get these big stringy bowels and people think that they're literally pooping out parasites and bacteria colonies and it's not. It's actually like...

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you know, just some of the ingredients that gel up in your colon and then it comes out looking a certain way. And so there's a lot of gimmicky things out there in the market. So I'm not saying that you can't get them. You certainly can. I deal with it all the time with people. It's just a matter of I don't like the perspective of everybody has them and everybody needs to constantly do these parasite cleanse because there's a lot of health issues that people are facing. And I just don't think that we need to be caught up on trying to solve issues we don't have, right? If I say everybody has...

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you know, a heavy metal toxicity issue, right? There's practitioners out there that are big into that space. Everybody's got heavy metal toxicity. No, they don't. I do heavy metal tests all the time and a bunch of them come back negative. And you go, okay, well, that wasn't your problem, but we had to rule it out, right? So it's like, you know, we can see that we can't categorize people into having a problem because it's not good for the individual because they very well may be suffering from something else and they're ignoring it because we keep putting them in a box.

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And then when that box is empty and there's no boogeyman in it, then the person goes, well, I don't know what's wrong with me. I'm giving up. You know, we tried everything. And then the reality is they didn't. They just went to a practitioner that only, you know, that was convinced that everybody in the world was dying from parasites. Everybody in the world was dying from heavy metal issues or whatever the case may be.

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They've also been duped by these companies who are effectively lying through the key to a middle place to try to sell you something.

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Well, traditionally the best way to ever find someone to help you with your health is to know someone. You know somebody who got help and then you get that referral. Or maybe you watch something like this and you say, hey, that person seems like they could help me. For me, I'm a straight shooter. And at the end of the day, I don't need somebody's money. I'm good. So I don't need to.

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rip people off or any of those types of things. And so it's a very big challenge. And I wish I had a straightforward answer to that because I get very frustrated. There's many people in the same industry that I'm in where it's like, you know, they're going online and they're buying multi-thousand dollar health plans, you know, in the sense of like, literally, I'm talking 10, 12, $15,000, you know, and that's the space that I'm in.

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where people are going and buying these programs and they're getting all these promises and nobody can possibly give you a promise that they will get you well, right? So at the end of the day, the best that a practitioner has is to be able to have the knowledge or know where to go get the knowledge, right? I've mentioned multiple times, like I'm calling biochemists and friends up all the time who people that are absolutely brilliant, hey, what do I do about this? Like I thought I had the plan, the perfect plan.

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I thought I knew the answers and I didn't it turns out. So what do I do here? So you have to know where to get the information as well. So it becomes a little bit complex. And like I said, I wish I just knew a good way to try to help people break through this. But you just have to be careful. There's so many internet scams out there anymore.

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and there are so many different practitioners that are taking advantage of people's bad situations and I think it's terrible. One of my whole goals and something that we think about is how can we actually deliver healthcare to the average person that's affordable. It's not just how do we deliver healthcare to the average person, but how do we deliver it to its affordable, right? We just got $100,000 worth of equipment installed.

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into my clinic of laser technology and all this stuff. And we looked at the prices out there. It was just like incredible how much people are charging for it. So I go, you know what, I'm going to go on a whim and we're going to charge pretty much half the price of what everybody else is charging and we're going to see how it works. Because my bet is that, you know, we can use this equipment, we can see a ton of people and we can make the economics of it make sense, the financials of it make sense, right? Because you can't go buy equipment like that and not charge for it. Obviously it's very expensive. So

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It's like, we just look at how can we be practical about it. And I think that a lot of practitioners aren't taking that stance of how can we help people and how can we offer a good service at a fair price. A lot of it right now is big cash grabs. It's an industry where a lot of healthcare practitioners want to be. How do I take care of this personalized medicine patient and you're paying 20 grand a year and what are you getting? You're getting a whole lot of nothing.

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It's wild. So there's a lot of scams. Just do your research. Do your research. I mean, there's some people, and I'm not going to mention names, but there's people who are like directly equivalent to some of the things that I'm doing. You can go look up some of their different reviews online and everybody's going, scam, scam. This guy doesn't help anybody. He's charging outrageous prices.

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fantastic sales price or a sales process that convinces you to get into these different packages and programs. And so, this is something that I think about a lot. It's kind of a source subject for me because I work with a lot of people who have already gotten ripped off by a ton of individuals and then they come to me and they're broke and they're like, hey, how can you help me? I'm like, okay, how can I help you? I don't know. I mean, I have a staff of...

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You know, 20 people here and you don't have any financial means. Like this is a really tough situation. So the point of me saying that is they wouldn't be in that situation if someone hadn't ripped them off 10 times before, right? So when you're in a tough health situation, you know, take a step back, do your due diligence, look at the companies, the reviews, look at the individual, the reviews, see what they're about.

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you know, maybe see how they, you know, carry themselves, interact with people and try to make the best judgment that you possibly can. And that's the best I can say. Like I said, it's a sore area for me because I hate when this happens to people and the people that do this, like it really upsets me.

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There's so much that you can get from there. It's incredible.

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I mean, we can't obviously have a stop in Pro, but right now, I'm going to go through all these programs and I'm going to see a couple of them.

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Yeah. And that's totally fair. And one of the things you mentioned is like, you know, I might, I think I circled around about like fraud in the natural health world quite a bit. But I mean, in the medicinal world, it's total fraud. Here, take this pill for the rest of your life and you're basically stuck on it. And after this pill causes 10 more symptoms.

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and problems and we'll get you on five more pills which will cause more symptoms and problems and we'll just be managing our nightmare that we created in your body forever and you will be a continual customer and that's also like awful, right? But that's actually more of the norm, right? Like that is mainstream. Like if you look at the average person out there suffering, that is mainstream. You get one pill for something.

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It creates another problem. Of course, the original root problem never went away. It got worse. And all these things keep branching off into multiple problems. And then they just have this patient who is receiving tens of thousands of dollars worth of care. And they're not any better for it. They're still miserable and suffering.

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don't pull a triple the price.

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Nick Zyrowski (57:07.183)
Yeah, so you can go to store.newvisionhealthcenter.com, and that's our website. And basically from there, you can interact with us anyway. You can give us a call. You know, we're an 8,000 square foot healthcare facility here in Michigan, so large operation. You can give us a call, speak to our staff, you know, and we'll direct you in the right place. And it's easy as that.

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No, I mean I think I would just encourage people to keep working on your health. You know, I think one of my opinions is that it's never too late to start taking action on your health and it doesn't matter how bad of a place you are in with the right strategy and hope and continually pushing forward, you can really overcome some nasty stuff and I've seen it time and time again. So I think that it's something that you should never give up on. Always continue to...

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do the right things for your health and then of course just take action too. Like, you know, it's very common as we mentioned earlier that you might think that, well, this stuff is so complicated, the diet and this, like no one's going to be perfect, right? It took me years. I mean, I live, you know, with a clean diet today and I exercise regularly. It took me years to get to this point. I grew up just like everybody else. I mean drinking like soda every single day.

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eating tons of packaged foods. My family was in the grocery industry. So in the grocery industry, they're very much known for like, oh, the good stuff is like these cakes and these little cookies over here and the candies and all the fun stuff that's always like hitting the grocery store shelves that's like exciting and it's always the junk food. So I grew up in a family loaded with drawers of junk food in our home. So it was my struggles as an adult that really led me down the path that I'm in.

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But yeah, it's one of those things that it just takes time. Don't get frustrated with it. Just try to be a little bit better every day. And then all of a sudden over the course of months and years, you just get better and better. And if you look at yourself like, hey, one year from now, where do I wanna be? And if you look back on one year, where did you come from, right? And a lot of times these changes are far more significant than we ever give ourselves credit for. So just keep moving in the right direction.

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Nick Zyrowski (01:00:01.295)
Hey, perfect, thank you, appreciate you having me on anytime.