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It's like that Netflix account you forgot you had.
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it? And if you've already forgotten, how does it know
it?
>> Justin Rexing: Because the cloud. Because dogeure scans
and then the cloud comes back and tells you how much money
you're wasting.
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>> Marc Cholewczynski: That'something. If you're going to take my identity, you got to take all of it.
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life. Like not even keeping track of.
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it's done.
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way.
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my computer. It's a screen saver. It has all the passwords, just runs.
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>> Chris Dechter: Thanks, Justin.
So on today's show, we're going to discuss our process of
updating standards. But first, some
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But now enough of that, let's go just do some actual content.
>> Justin Rexing: So yeah, what are we talking about?
>> Chris Dechter: What we are talking about on this show is uh, m.
Uh, I think we were re trying to figure out what's going toa be our best approach for
March and March topic is whatever we
want. So we decided, we talked about standards and
Larry, I think you're the one who raised this like isn't this the time of year that
we need to like kind of re
revisit our standards and how we're doing that and make
some slight changes?
>> Larry Darling: Spring clean well it came up
because this is time of year when several of
our schools give out one time funds
and so we're tasked with spending
money quickly and so you know we
typically get stuck with whatever standard was this year we're going
to continue to buy that. But Mark, you have money
brought up occasionally. But
Mark brought up that we're doing it wrong uh
because Our standards are the entire
room and apparently he's not doing
that anymore. And to me that like
how do you.
>> Justin Rexing: Is this the key?
>> Larry Darling: I'm still stuck behind us
a little bit. I'm still in the
mindset that my standard for this year is
this complete system and I'm going to
install this complete system in these
30 rooms. Ish. Give plus or
minus some stuff and if I need to pre
purchase for next year I'm probably going to end up having to do
the exact same system. And I thought that
was the way most of us were doing.
>> Marc Cholewczynski: Probably are. You're probably correct. But
I'm teasing out that maybe there
are budget woes from different universities across the
land that may require a little bit of nuance.
I think that's the take. Jamie. What. What's
up?
>> Jamie Rinehart: Well inna say I'm aboard the
mark bandwagon here.
>> Chris Dechter: I.
>> Jamie Rinehart: No, I don't buy things by the room anymore.
And especially with within of your mind. It's stock my
shelves with the most common things that I'm gonna
put everywhere no matter what.
>> Chris Dechter: Do you do that for departmental spaces too? And then do you
build them back or do you have a mechanism for that?
>> Jamie Rinehart: Yeah, um.
>> Marc Cholewczynski: The kit is the kit. We have it.
>> Jamie Rinehart: The kit is the kit.
>> Chris Dechter: Well cause yeah there are some common components but Toler's point
departments come up with these, these and they're not necessarily one time funds as
much as funds they're gonna be spent out by the end of the fiscal year
and but you don't know if it's real or not. And so I'm a
little?e you know, reticent to just go buy a
bunch of stuff.
>> Jamie Rinehart: J'aan Jahhari's joining us
today. Yeah, look that um, but uh, yeah,
no, so that's
departmental. If they get extra funds then
that's usually a site visit and let's tune this thing up.
Right. Um, if it's a refresh, if it's something that's
under my thing, if it's my end of your budget,
um, I'm buying just. I'm
stocking the shell with the everyday parts and let's go do it.
And I don't buy full room kits much anymore
unless it's a brand new. It's either a capital project
and or a department that comes in and says hey
we're going to gut this room. Can you just give us new stuff?
>> Marc Cholewczynski: I think if you have the
luxury of doing the full
room, by all means do the full room. But
yeah, I uh. Don't know if that's the case everywhere anymore. I
think in a perfect world where we have this nice cadence and
budgets are solid and everything's moving and we're doing everything we've
planned. Yes. If you got the luxury and you have the
time, go replace your whole room with your standard
kit stuff. And so. And then if you
had a failure along the way, you can kind of replace that. But how much kit
can you get to stretch and cover as much
need to me is the intriguing piece
like, what can I what I could build out x amount of room? Yes. But
if I don't need to build out xount of room, does that mean I have
this inventory that I can apply towards break fix if
push comes.
>> Jamie Rinehart: To shove where that kit is actually
everywhere. So even if I'm gonna update this entire room,
chances are it's that same stuff I just stocked
the shelves with.
>> Larry Darling: But isn't the money you're saving with the one time
system built just being spent in labor because
you'happen to go to that room multiple times now
we're.
>> Marc Cholewczynski: Going toa be in the room multiple times anyway, whether it's go going toa be for
service and cleaning or whatever it is. Um, and I'm not
saying it's a foolproof way to build your standard around. That's not
what I'm saying saying. I think when we start
talking about the totality of budget in that if
you have hundreds of spaces and in a perfect world,
yes, your budget lines. But what if it doesn't?
What if it doesn't line? You're not going to get that refresh, are
you better saying y well, I'm going just, I'm going to blow all this on these 10
rooms. Or is it better to say, okay, what
needs to be dealt with today in that room? If it's all
dead, yes, replace it all, that's fine. But can
you get excess life and move things and be a little more nimble and
agile? And again, I think it's a tactic. It's not a.
This is the way it has to be for everything. Right. And so
if we look at our standards and say, okay, the stuff's not the
standard anyway, Right. That part's not part of like a division
27. It's the infrastructure is infrastructure. What do you have
as the material you're going to have on hand for endpoints?
Be really critical and intentional about that.
Um, or as Chris likes to do, go buy a giant 16 by 16 or
32 x 32 matrix switcher and just put that everywhere.
>> Larry Darling: Um.
>> Chris Dechter: Sometimes two or three. Just fun.
>> Jamie Rinehart: Well and I've reached a point where most of these time these
refresh larries I'm taking out
the all in Wonders that we like. We use a lot
of cross points. Right. But those are coming off
and dare you sir. It's
not that they're bad. We're just changing the way we do things.
>> Chris Dechter: Nope.
>> Jamie Rinehart: Only there's only one way. Buy it all in Wonder.
And it has to all be from the same company no matter what. Because that's
the only way this world.
>> Chris Dechter: If your smallest room doesn't have a.
>> Marc Cholewczynski: Next to the lector.
>> Larry Darling: But the all in Wonder has to cost
$4,999.
>> Marc Cholewczynski: Yah. I'm not managing as an asset.
Don't even ask. It's not even a question.
>> Jamie Rinehart: So that's just. That's just where I've come and it's just been the
last couple of years that and it's not even
because uh. Of Mark's preaching. I mean he's got a
really big soapbox that he stands on about this
kid of parts but organically
that's where we've ended up.
>> Marc Cholewczynski: Yeah.
>> Jamie Rinehart: Especially when you're starting to use AV over ip. Especially like in
my case a lot of my stuff just goes on the enterprise network. I don't have to
deal with a lot of this crap. And all of a sudden
those projectors I put in a few years ago, they're all
lasers have low hours. I'm not replacing them. Um
amplifier speakers. I'm not replacing them.
>> Larry Darling: Um.
>> Jamie Rinehart: So let's put in the network shit and go. Let's just go
like.
>> Marc Cholewczynski: I think we have these staggered approaches of like
loved if everything kind of died at the same time and it was all the same
lifespan. But it's not. And I think've even said in
the past it'd be nice if some things actually weren't
as long lived and would reflect that as a price point. But we're
not there. But look at
the totality of a space. Especially the non typical spaces.
Right. The ones that have the weird configurations. They're bigger or
whatever it is. Do you have to have an all or
not approach to those? Can you go in and say I'm gonna do transport
or I'm gonna do DSP or I'm. Can you stage
a refresh and non standard pae? I'm um.
Not Y. Time is of value and that
piece can be annoying man. Can you be more
effective with a budget?
>> Justin Rexing: That's what I live Every day that's all we do.
>> Jamie Rinehart: I've been living that with uh, like I have a pharmacy project,
right. And they couldn't do all the places
all at once, all the time. It was just too much of a budget hop. So
we're doing the thirds. It has been a never
ending. I do a third this year in
one location a third next year and another location a third next year. And
then by the time I get done with that third I got to go back to the next third
and um. M. I'm done with it. Like we'renna have a meeting and
we're going to talk about look, this isn't,
this is feasible any longer.
>> Justin Rexing: If somed'budget is what it is, they don't have another
option. So the other option is to not do anything.
>> Jamie Rinehart: Well to us right now though with the old way
was it all came back to Central's core and it was the
big 4 billion by 4 billion matrixes and
everything else. And now there were plugging in
endpoint network endpoints all over the place. It's
easier just to do the whole thing and be done with it. And now it's
an end point swap, not an entire infrastructure
swap.
>> Chris Dechter: So Jamie, I have a similar scenario where the college of business wants to do like
25 rooms. Well they don't have the budget to do 25 rooms in one
shot. And mark to your point, I don't need to replace everything in there, but
the vast majority of things, even if I'm just doing control and
transport and displays and things that still adds up. And
so instead of trying to do it and phased across the board,
I said pick you know, a third of your rooms and a third of your rooms and
a 30 rooms and we'll do it that way. So yes, it will be a longer
term project. But it was funny during the discussions
of this when the business school, of all people, the business school
business managers are now like hey wouldn't this be easier if we just knew how
many we were doing every couple of years and just budgeted accordingly. I'm like yes,
yeses, it would but it's one of those things where it's.
>> Jamie Rinehart: Room I they had hear of a system.
>> Chris Dechter: Yeah. They had to discover that like themselves and like kind of come to that conclusion
themselves to be like oh let's just do like five a year
forever. Like okay.
>> Marc Cholewczynski: And that's the nuance that a lot of the
individual colleges or departments they only
see the things within their little world. They're not understanding that you
all as a Central larger management has to deal
with 500 spaces. They're just worried about their little 20
spaces re. Oh, well, wait. Wouldn't it be easy? Well, yes, it would
be a lot easier if you just get on board with everything else, but that's
not always the case, and that's a luxury if we actually get that. And
so I don't know.
It's interesting, but let's bend this
now. Larry, are you rethinking what is in
your quote unquote standard, quiver
kit, slash, whatever you're going with? Um,
your backpack. Yeah. As you approach your
standard, has it changed or has there anything as of
late that has made you think differently
about what your standard may be?
>> Larry Darling: Oh, yeah, there's absolutely. There's multiple projects
that are rumored to be coming out this year that I think
will greatly benefit me. But the problem is I got that one
time fund and. Which means
now I don't have time. I don't have time
or the knowledge of what's rumored
to actually quote and
procure.
>> Chris Dechter: Wait, you don't quote people on vaporware?
>> Larry Darling: No, I don't. And so I'm stuck again
running what I've used
another year, which will now be like the fourth year on
that same standard. And I was really wanting to do three
years and then jump to the next one.
>> Justin Rexing: But you don't have your next standard yet.
>> Larry Darling: I don't have it because.
>> Justin Rexing: So why do you. So what is it? I mean, isn't that easier to just
stick with something that works?
>> Larry Darling: It is, but at some point, like.
>> Marc Cholewczynski: It'S the cost of change. You got to make a jump somewhere.
>> Larry Darling: I've got to make that.
>> Justin Rexing: But why? What's triggering that jump?
>> Larry Darling: Uh, multiple things there are on.
>> Chris Dechter: Smaller.
>> Larry Darling: M. DSPs that I think will fit the classroom
standard better. That will enable
me.
>> Chris Dechter: Are you guys installing DSPs in your classrooms?
>> Larry Darling: Why every single one?
>> Justin Rexing: Why would you do that?
>> Larry Darling: Because Microsoft Teams doesn't do audio very
well. I used to not. Uh.
>> Jamie Rinehart: Don'T listen to Larry discussion. I'm with you.
DSP every.
>> Larry Darling: Do you not put DSPs in on your client? Well, wait,
you don't have speakers. It doesn't matter.
>> Justin Rexing: Where have you been for the past five years?
>> Jamie Rinehart: Floor is your.
>> Marc Cholewczynski: How much do we need audio? Ye.
>> Chris Dechter: I do want to clarify. When I say DSP, I mean full rack
width thing with like 2025 analog I O on it.
You're still buying one of those?
>> Larry Darling: It's a half rack thing.
>> Jamie Rinehart: Okay, better like 8, but still
custom configured card frame.
>> Chris Dechter: Why wouldn't just took One of out.
>> Larry Darling: With amp cards, half
rack. Because there's nothing smaller.
>> Chris Dechter: Okay.
>> Larry Darling: There'smaller things coming.
>> Chris Dechter: Rumored.
>> Justin Rexing: Rumored to the trigger is just.
>> Larry Darling: No, not from. From la. From like
catch box Ensure. There's other options
that I really want to explore.
>> Chris Dechter: Um, those have been shipping for a while.
>> Marc Cholewczynski: Notong.
>> Chris Dechter: Uh, you need to really get out there and explore the
space.
>> Marc Cholewczynski: I don't dare anybody revisit our standards episodes because
I feel like that would take up to time. But we'll wait. Go ahead and listen to those and then
we'll come back.
>> Justin Rexing: Yeah, we'll wait right here for five minutes.
>> Marc Cholewczynski: So.
>> Larry Darling: But.
>> Chris Dechter: And we're back.
>> Marc Cholewczynski: And we're back. So based on what you
heard now, the question I have
about standard is do you absolutely need that
level of horsepower in every type of space? Now you said
classroom. I'm willing to hedge and say that that word
classroom means something in your standard. And
so, um, that capability. So
you need that capability
which can only be found within a
now half rackd DSP or vaporware.
Correct?
>> Larry Darling: Yes, or vaporware. Uh, yeah.
>> Jamie Rinehart: Dang it, Cam. Get off the line.
>> Marc Cholewczynski: He's pushing us on 30 Fe by.
>> Larry Darling: 9 real hard, which I agree with. 30 by 9
is A. Well, it depends if it's two
place Y spaces.
>> Chris Dechter: So, Larry, aside from the DSP, are there other things
that you're champion at the bit to
actually integrate or not integrate, but to include.
But you haven't gotten there yet. And so now you're torn because
this is your one opportunity and the next opportunity is next
March and you kind of have to wait all the way around.
>> Larry Darling: Well, it. I'm thinking next September is when I'm looking
at it for sure now. But, um,
AV over ip I want to least explore find out what
it would look like in my island situation.
Like, is it worth so I can move to
the can standard kit of parts
like just jump in, buy
ticket.
>> Marc Cholewczynski: Get on the plane.
>> Justin Rexing: Uh, you haven't bought
AV over IP in your classrooms yet.
>> Larry Darling: Wellten, but not as my standard classroom. Let's pretend you
I'm still HD basede t everywhere.
>> Chris Dechter: Have you done more than one? Because it's a standard.
>> Marc Cholewczynski: Nowah. Let's pretend you're on the kit
bandwagon and we're five years down the road.
No, three years down the road. Let's say we were re three years down the
road and you're looking at a refresh coming up in the next year
or two. Would you automatically assume you have
to replace everything in that stack again?
>> Larry Darling: I don't replace everything now but I
replace. As Chris was saying, I replaced the control, I
replaced the infrastructure. I replaced the displays. The
infrastructure? Well,
the switching. The hdmi.
>> Chris Dechter: HD distribution.
>> Larry Darling: Uh, yeah.
>> Chris Dechter: It doesn't mean in the walls. Whereas I'm doing a lot of that.
>> Justin Rexing: Do Cat 6 every time.
>> Chris Dechter: Well, no, Justin, I have to put electrical in walls and ceilings
because it wasn't done correctly 10 years ago. And they fished a know
an extension cord across the ceiling. Yah.
>> Larry Darling: And I'm doing that in some spaces now.
>> Jamie Rinehart: I still have all extension cords across the ceiling.
>> Chris Dechter: Yeah, Larry's the one doing keep showing them on my campus. We chase them off every
morning and.
>> Jamie Rinehart: He only buys the bright green ones. But
no special. I'm still changing out
VGA infrastructure and old RS232ees everywhere
where we had this giant bundle of
cable and now I need three.
>> Chris Dechter: Justin, what's that cable called?
>> Justin Rexing: Yeah, cats. Cat 6.
>> Marc Cholewczynski: No, the one like multi cor. Weird
one.
>> Chris Dechter: And we're live. So say it all you want.
>> Justin Rexing: You don't have.
>> Marc Cholewczynski: Yeah, yeah. You know that stuff looks huge in
your hands.
>> Jamie Rinehart: It's like looks like it belongs in an adult
movie.
>> Marc Cholewczynski: Yeah.
>> Justin Rexing: Hold it like that.
>> Marc Cholewczynski: Yeah, exactly how I do it.
>> Chris Dechter: I'm not comfortable with this conversation.
>> Jamie Rinehart: When you make these changes, are you like hoping that
you find the perfect widget? Just keep buying forever and ever and
ever?
>> Larry Darling: No.
>> Jamie Rinehart: Are you looking for like okay, I'm going to do a video end
point and if it changes in two years,
whatever. The fact is it's the technology, not
necessarily the widget.
>> Larry Darling: Exactly. That's more the thing. But I do like to have a
standard that my students become familiar
with. And that standard lasts every three
years for support purposes. Like I don't want is that when.
>> Chris Dechter: You fire all the students three years.
>> Marc Cholewczynski: They graduate one more year to train the next
TRNO students and then we switch.
>> Justin Rexing: What's the three years? What's the three? What's.
>> Jamie Rinehart: That's the average life of a stud.
>> Larry Darling: Three to four somewhere in there. But that way
senior across a student's life are
your.
>> Chris Dechter: The term is academic career. Larry, what are you
doing.
>> Larry Darling: A longer academic career. They only have to like really become
familiar with like two standards. Maybe
three if there's a couple oddballs.
>> Justin Rexing: Uh, so you're blowing university money on your student change out
every three years?
>> Marc Cholewczynski: No, we repace students with the
rooms than
B surplus.
>> Justin Rexing: I'm trying to follow Carolina money.
This isn'what to audit North
Carolina.
>> Larry Darling: Yeah, students,
uh, classroom technology does
become end of life at some point, Justin. And
our when it Dies is eight
years.
>> Justin Rexing: That's end of life. When it's dead,
it's dead. It's end of life.
>> Jamie Rinehart: Therefore you replace it.
>> Marc Cholewczynski: You can see how hard this conversation is to have. This is more
remis that. Yeah.
>> Jamie Rinehart: Is that holding you up then? Like, like, uh, I'm
gonna take video, for example, right. So like a few years ago
I was running out omni stream and now I'm running out
visionaries. Are you worried of that switch
or are you worried like Y is a product or capability
programming?
>> Larry Darling: Yeah, it's the capability. Like it's okay.
I need to, I want to explore moving in
this direction. AB over ip, right? There are multiple
flavors I could go, but whatever flavor I
go needs to be the standard that will
meet all of my applications for the next
three years. Y. That's a lot of pressure.
>> Marc Cholewczynski: No, it's. It is the actual pressure that exists everywhere in the
world right now because there's many, as many folks that have to are
trying to determine that exact thing. Larry. I think it's a valid
concern because there's a lot of people who have waited
and're checking the market, seeing where things are.
You know, where's our capability, where's the maturity? Which, which
team am I going to go with? Am I going to be this
brand of AV over IP or that brand, or what am I
getting? I think yes,
the product and the team you hit, uh, yourself
onto is important, but I think there's a lot of capabilities need to exist
in your, your fte, your staff, your students, all of
those and focus on that stuff too. So if you are going
to make a change in your standard, what does it now
mean to your actual knowledge base? How does
it change how you service a space? How does it change programmatically?
Does it change from your data environment? You mentioned islands. You
know, those awarenesses as it pertains, it's not about just buying a
thing, you know, it's not the stuff here. Again, it's not
the stuff, it's the capabilities and what happens when you
make that change. And I think, um, in reviewing your
standards, being aware of all that is kind of the exercise. Understand
if I make this change, what downstream effects are going
to happen and how am I going to support this? What does
it mean Super Sneakert now?
Because I don't. I'm in an island, so now I have to run and do all this. So
does it have cascading effects that change
the way you support your spaces and now. And what does
that mean to your students and your Frontline staff. So um,
it's all the ball of wax that are happening with the AV over
IP conversation is that we're changing from like
the analog philosophy to the full digital philosophy and it all
the toolkit and support has to go with it. So
it'you're not alone in that concern. I
think's it's easy to tiptoe and back into
it through like the thing I'm going toa buy as my standard.
But really it's much larger than that.
>> Justin Rexing: See if you come to WKU and work
you have theity of design.
>> Marc Cholewczynski: You guys are off work snows. Yeah.
>> Justin Rexing: And then if you screw it up so bad that's one
mistake and then you move on to the next room because you're doing one thing
at a time.
>> Marc Cholewczynski: It's not a failure.
>> Chris Dechter: Oh I.
>> Larry Darling: It's a learning uh don't make.
>> Justin Rexing: I don't make a hundred mistakes when I design something wrong. I just make
one.
>> Chris Dechter: So you're saying you don't make the same mistake a hundred times. You make a
hundred different mistakes every time?
>> Justin Rexing: Yeah. Hell yeah.
>> Marc Cholewczynski: Failure, fail.
>> Justin Rexing: Exactly. First attempt in and there'lear there's not of
an impact across the university. When
one product fails a promise isn't delivered
from that manufacturer. It's like yeah, we're not buying that shit again.
Move on to room number two. But you only have one them and try something
new.
>> Jamie Rinehart: This is where I found it really.
>> Justin Rexing: L. You don't have any standards. Everything ends up in the other
bucket.
>> Marc Cholewczynski: That way side of
that legacy.
>> Justin Rexing: But
your mistakes are easily forgotten
because they're everywhere.
>> Marc Cholewczynski: Are they? Or are you constantly reminded them every single day because you cannot keep that
room moving.
>> Chris Dechter: We walk down a hall eight Mistake, mistake, mistake.
>> Justin Rexing: O. Ah, well you know that's looking.
>> Jamie Rinehart: At a student work workers Mistake, mistake.
>> Marc Cholewczynski: Yeah.
>> Chris Dechter: There's.
>> Marc Cholewczynski: We have deployment lawp that we know they weren't
the way it needed to be in day one but we had to start somewhere.
You got to jump in.
>> Justin Rexing: I think you blame the budget like well I couldn't afford this thing that
I wanted so we went with this other thing. So it sucks. So we're not gonna buy
that again. But they got to deal with it because they didn't have the money to
buy what we recommended.
>> Jamie Rinehart: Yeah.
>> Larry Darling: Justin, you is it responsible for service? Is
it?
>> Justin Rexing: Yeah.
>> Chris Dechter: Yeah.
>> Justin Rexing: Oh yeah.
>> Larry Darling: Because that's the way you make your service department
really angry.
>> Justin Rexing: We know.
>> Marc Cholewczynski: Keep them gainfully employed. It's different. It's all about perspective.
>> Justin Rexing: Our control systems are Cis, Crestron, Kramer,
Extron.
>> Jamie Rinehart: Uh, what's wrong with that?
>> Justin Rexing: We have no problem here. Zoom,
iPad Things, AMX.
>> Marc Cholewczynski: It'S all relev. I mean, I mean what services are those
brands delivered?
>> Chris Dechter: Justin, you don't have amx?
>> Justin Rexing: No.
>> Chris Dechter: So you're saying there's room?
>> Justin Rexing: Hey, you gave me an idea. Hold
onn go
toorrow.
>> Jamie Rinehart: I've also kind of given up on that. That infrastructure
that like I don't care if I have all these products anymore. I just
don't care anymore. Because if uh, I'm trying to
grow my staff too.
This says. Okay, if you're gonna go work for an integrator, guess you're gonna see
anyway. Yeah, you're gonna see all of it anyway. And if you understand
how it all works, let's roll it.
>> Chris Dechter: Will you?
>> Jamie Rinehart: Ok look in premise but
you know I'm buying a lot of the main manufacturers. I, you
know, I'm not running a whole lot of homegrown Raspberry PI stuff. I think
it's cool. We're just not doing it.
>> Marc Cholewczynski: There you go Justin. Raspberry PI control buddy.
>> Chris Dechter: Homegrown just like GR Ma.
>> Justin Rexing: I mean we're not sociopath here. So it's.
>> Jamie Rinehart: I do like the idea that I can focus on. Look,
I'm going to do video over IP and I need it to be under
a gig and I need it to be able to do control over
it and something else, right? And now I have this
parameter and I don't care what box I get.
Does it have an API? Can I control it easily from
whatever system I want to use? And let's roll with it. Same with
dsps. Uh, does it
fit my parameter standard? Parameter
standard. Not uh, the name
brand standard. And I think that's where some people
hung up like it's got to be nvx. It has to
be nav. It has to be qis.
Why?
>> Justin Rexing: No it doesn't.
Expand your mind. Learn more
shit, right? Get more educated on what's
out there.
>> Marc Cholewczynski: Learn more shit.
>> Larry Darling: We've been talking about cloud management and how there's not
that single pane of glass. So by
getting by, not standardizing on
one logo on all these systems, you're
opening yourself up to where until there is that
single pane of glass, support becomes a little
more challenging because you've got all these different systems.
>> Justin Rexing: I'm not buying all the same product from a
manufacturer just to have a single pane of glass. That's not going to
happen.
>> Chris Dechter: Here's the joke of it. Even if you're 100% in on an ecosystem they still don't
have glass.
>> Jamie Rinehart: That's been my challenge when we get to that
support of a single paninted glass, uh, across the board
anyway. And right now we're employing the spreadsheet
with hyperlinks protocol. Right.
>> Chris Dechter: That's the universal control universal monitoring system.
>> Jamie Rinehart: Well, single pane of glass right there. But you're
right. However, if it fits my parameter, if
it does its job on a daily basis and has an API,
then in theory, like we were talking about in that
one in that show that we did was that
somebody could write those hooks. You could
hire if you so desired, a full time programmer that's going to
make that hook for you. I'm not in that
world right now. Which is what we talked about in that whole show. So go
listen to that folks again. We'll wait.
>> Marc Cholewczynski: Now we're back.
>> Chris Dechter: And we're back and.
>> Jamie Rinehart: But that's. That's part of the reason I make some of that and I'm just.
That's. That's tomorrow Jamie's
uh, hiccups'future
Jamie that problem. Yeah. Today's Jamie is just make
sure this stuff's all moving and working. Um, and how do I
make that eas?
>> Marc Cholewczynski: Mhm.
>> Larry Darling: But defining tomorrow's standards is kind of
tomorrow's Jamie's issue.
>> Marc Cholewczynski: Be held accountable.
>> Justin Rexing: Do that the day.
>> Chris Dechter: Uh, yeah but Larry, he's going to blame past Jamie and current
Jamie doesn't have to deal with that.
>> Jamie Rinehart: Look, future Jamie is an a hole and is going to get
fired.
>> Marc Cholewczynski: But present based on the actions of previous Jamie.
Yes.
>> Justin Rexing: How is that different from past Jamie? Present J.
>> Chris Dechter: Past Jamie keeps getting promoted. So what's happening?
>> Jamie Rinehart: Well, yeah, later Jamie just has to.
>> Chris Dechter: Clean up after past Jamie.
>> Jamie Rinehart: Leaving all this for future J check somebody finds
you.
>> Justin Rexing: Maybe we are sociopath.
>> Marc Cholewczynski: We are. Um.
>> Jamie Rinehart: I don't know.
>> Chris Dechter: Larry, did answer any of your questions? Did we get anywhere?
>> Larry Darling: Not at one.
>> Marc Cholewczynski: I still have question about this one time funds thing. But I
deferred that whole question to um, another time.
>> Chris Dechter: Well so Larry, I guess to that are they. Are they one time funds
or is this end magic end of year monies.
>> Larry Darling: Magic end of year money.
>> Jamie Rinehart: I am impressed that you know by March we get ours like
hey it's May 5th. You have to spein this by
May 30th.
>> Justin Rexing: Yeah.
>> Larry Darling: That's what we get.
>> Jamie Rinehart: So we have to pre pep. That's why my. My list is
usually populated with the kit of parts
how buy as many as those as I possibly can.
>> Larry Darling: Well and when you get it at that point it's not your kit of parts. It's
kid of what's available right now. Like what can
actually be shipped and received in time.
>> Jamie Rinehart: Look, uh, I don't know what company you're buying from over the last
five or six years, but come
on with.
>> Justin Rexing: Your end of your money, do you have to receive it by like end of
fiscal year?
>> Larry Darling: End year?
>> Chris Dechter: Yeah, received
and installed.
>> Marc Cholewczynski: Because unless you're mailing cash
to a manufactureere which that's my large,
you're not doing that. Yeah, yeah. So
fundss
like the accounting office does not like carrying
that over. They like to close out their books and be clean, but who
cares'not? Saying it's impossible. That's just frowned
upon.
>> Chris Dechter: You need them on your side so when you make a major cock up like
I did today on a previous project, they
don't come after me.
>> Marc Cholewczynski: So.
>> Jamie Rinehart: Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
>> Chris Dechter: It was a invoicing thing and blah blah, blah, blah blah.
>> Jamie Rinehart: And so you were doing it wrong.
>> Chris Dechter: I was doing it wrong because I literally
forgot about a change order and whoops. But
it was like five grams.
>> Justin Rexing: But um, uh, that's a
five grand. That's like a whole classroom here.
>> Chris Dechter: That's like three classrooms.
>> Jamie Rinehart: That's my paycheck for a five year employee.
>> Chris Dechter: M. Yeah. No, so the way it works at UW
and the same thing is people get notification of
what uh, monies are available in about like
the April, May ish timeline. Which means they have
about a month and my first couple of years
there. They would then reach out to me at that
point and I would tell them like there'no way we could pull off one or
two of these. There's no way you can have this done. So departments have
learned and unfortunately they are now contacting me in
December to see what things are gonna cost based on
end of year. Which means I do a lot of kind of prep work and
design work for spaces that probably will never exist.
Annoyingly, yes. And a lot of those are common kid of parts. It's
the same. Oh, we need a conference room. Oh, we need a classroom. I can give them
numbers on that right now. But some of them
are specialized or some of them are unique or have different
circumstances around it, but they don't know if these are real. In fact, I
had two meetings on these today at various places. I
give about 50, 50 shot. Those never exist, but we
have to kind of still put numbers together so when they do come back in May, we
can potentially move on. Some of which is annoying. So
yeah, it is a process. But to Larry's
point. I'm still working within my
known kit of parts, my
known pile o equipment. Um, so
it's pretty much the same stuff over and over.
>> Justin Rexing: But y.
>> Chris Dechter: But I do it like Justin, I'll change that stuff of a drop of a hat.
>> Justin Rexing: I'll give a shit.
>> Chris Dechter: I don't like that camera. Bo.
>> Justin Rexing: Something new.
>> Marc Cholewczynski: This one gone. Moving for.
>> Chris Dechter: Because I agree to some extent with Justin's philosophy
of like, hey guys, we're changing to a different model camerause. That one pissed me
off. So all of a sudden it's this camera. So for example, I
installed five rooms with a particular ceiling
microphone array, which turned out to be a bit of a pain in the butt.
So I'm going to a different one because I'm not going back to that one.
>> Jamie Rinehart: So I do it all the time. And then somebody
calls me, says, why did she stop buying her stuff?
Well, mostly because it sucks. Uh, stop working.
>> Marc Cholewczynski: Yeah.
>> Larry Darling: And I'm okay with all that, like, minor incidental stuff.
Cameras, speakers, projectors. Sound like all
that. You just.
>> Jamie Rinehart: Entire class.
>> Chris Dechter: What's left, Larry?
>> Marc Cholewczynski: So everything is left is like the network switch in
the end point is all we're talking about at this point.
Okay.
>> Jamie Rinehart: Control.
>> Justin Rexing: They concerned about the D.
I can.
>> Larry Darling: Care about control systems.
>> Marc Cholewczynski: Yeah.
>> Larry Darling: What's in your control systems? Audio switching. Those are
the big ones.
>> Marc Cholewczynski: Tell the data story.
>> Justin Rexing: Uh, where alternate
manufacturers for like just every yeary.
>> Chris Dechter: We're in.
>> Marc Cholewczynski: We're in Extron or whatever year. Yeah, yeah,
fine.
>> Chris Dechter: Or just don't buy that stuff. Just.
>> Marc Cholewczynski: Yeah, just. Now you're talking teams room. Let's go.
>> Jamie Rinehart: Remote control.
>> Chris Dechter: Let's do it. Yeah, here's. So I use
that phrase. I use that phrase on campus enough that my team now knows
it. It's like, I'll just give them, uh, an HDMI wall plate and a
remote and we'll never hear from them again. Because for a lot of people,
that's all they need. They don't need the full touch panel control system, all that
stuff for their basic room, wall plate and remote.
It's amazing.
>> Marc Cholewczynski: I a gu that experience should be reflected in
one of your standards.
>> Jamie Rinehart: Some it is. It's
under some small schools that I was
explaining that very. That very idea. And they go,
we're way more sophisticated here. It's touch
panels everywhere. I'm like, cool. That doesn't mean
you're sophisticated.
>> Marc Cholewczynski: Means you gluttons for punishing money.
>> Chris Dechter: Probably.
>> Jamie Rinehart: Uh, now, to be fair, I used to think the same thing,
but not.
>> Marc Cholewczynski: It'S again, one size does not
necessarily fit all. If you have a very small footprint, maybe
sub 100 rooms, you have
nice endowment money or whatever it is that's keeping you afloat, then
go ahead and put that 12 inch touch panel in
every small huddle space.
>> Chris Dechter: Well, what are we on a budget here?
15 UL wide, 21 by 9, 24 inch
ultra wides are fantastic. And then I put all the
UCI in the middle.
>> Justin Rexing: More buttons the better.
>> Marc Cholewczynski: Just adds all around the of that.
>> Larry Darling: It's like I by 3 slide in the 21 by 9
touchs.
>> Chris Dechter: Brought to.
>> Justin Rexing: You by Pepsi Page flips on my
touch panel. Every page show it up at
once.
>> Chris Dechter: So every button available at all times.
>> Larry Darling: You never know, but they cycle through.
>> Jamie Rinehart: I want the airplane footage.
>> Justin Rexing: Yeah, give me the airplane. I want all that
right, right there.
>> Marc Cholewczynski: Um, new standard frame. There you go, Larry.
>> Justin Rexing: The chapter freeze next to mute.
>> Jamie Rinehart: That's it.
Cockpit control system now, I mean, whack.
>> Chris Dechter: A most done since you mentioned projector freeze. That's one of
those buttons that I eliminated years ago because who needs
that? I've had one instructor who was now
livid that that's not on the touch billl room. We had to go in and he kept
bringing it up. We had to go in and add it like on the advanced.
>> Marc Cholewczynski: I remember that when that was like a source of debate with
the Chrsttron folks and their module that like the
freeze is not there anymore. Like bring it back. And so it was.
>> Chris Dechter: It's one of those things. And that's fine. I mean, that's the way he wants to teach. We had
blank. We had power off and all that. But no, he needs freeze. I'm like, all right,
fine, whatever.
>> Marc Cholewczynski: I get the use case. I've seen it.
>> Justin Rexing: I don't know. Just tell your students to take a picture of it and then just
look.
>> Marc Cholewczynski: We'Re notn to turn a bre around. Just use your phone. What are we
doing?
>> Chris Dechter: Email you all the files. You figure it out. Yeah, m.
All right, all right.
Any last thoughts on, uh, Larry needing to updated standards? Because stuff
isn't shipping yet.
>> Marc Cholewczynski: Get it larn?
>> Larry Darling: It's shipping.
>> Marc Cholewczynski: It's just bo like be bold
years ago.
>> Justin Rexing: Why are we having this car? Are we like.
>> Larry Darling: I don't know where the shipping came from.
>> Chris Dechter: But you just said because you're basically, you're specing
vapor.
>> Larry Darling: Yeah, I do things that I have physically
tested and I know work.
>> Chris Dechter: So this is just more your frustration that somebody announced something that's not
yet.
>> Larry Darling: Available to you and things that I just haven't had time
to like dig.
>> Chris Dechter: Into oh, by the way when you test things because I got burnt by this
recently. The test benching. The test benching. The
testing on the test bench is not always sufficient.
I m had to put it more show about testing than a
more complex room to find problems.
>> Justin Rexing: Deep dive into testing. When do you test something and when do
you not coming?
>> Chris Dechter: I'm as soon I'm installing it on.
>> Justin Rexing: Thise how we do it
replacing a HDMI switcher
with another one and it's the same exact
functionality, maybe a different brand. Are you testing every
HDMI switcher or like, what are you. What's your
threshold of testing?
>> Jamie Rinehart: Save it for the show.
>> Marc Cholewczynski: Save it for.
>> Justin Rexing: Exactly. Isn't that a good.
>> Chris Dechter: That would be all right. That's a good topic. We'll add that
top right? I'm gonna hit this
button and we're gonna shut up.
>> Marc Cholewczynski: Good luck, Larry. We spe that money. Go get it.
So do way.
>> Chris Dechter: We'll be back next month with a topic of something or other.
Probably testuces.
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