1 00:00:00,415 --> 00:00:03,271 >> Chris Dechter: AV Superfriend On Topic is an independent production wholly owned 2 00:00:03,303 --> 00:00:06,143 and operated by AV superfriend, llc. For the 3 00:00:06,159 --> 00:00:08,407 highest quality recording of all of our shows, visit 4 00:00:08,511 --> 00:00:10,692 AVSuperFriends.com. 5 00:00:11,177 --> 00:00:14,103 this is AV 6 00:00:14,159 --> 00:00:17,023 SuperFriend on topic, a 30 minute monthly roundtable focused 7 00:00:17,039 --> 00:00:19,943 on a single topic. This discussion will be opinionated to 8 00:00:19,959 --> 00:00:22,831 the point and saturated with our well known blend of painfully 9 00:00:22,863 --> 00:00:25,515 won expertise and deeply ingrained immaturity. 10 00:00:33,544 --> 00:00:36,104 Forth March 2025. It's the best sounding 11 00:00:36,144 --> 00:00:38,992 podcast in higher ed. This is the AV Super Friends 12 00:00:39,088 --> 00:00:41,608 On Topic episode number. What are we got? 13 00:00:41,696 --> 00:00:44,472 56. That's too many of 14 00:00:44,488 --> 00:00:45,044 these. 15 00:00:45,784 --> 00:00:48,592 >> Jamie Rinehart: Just the other day we were at 100 in something I don't know 16 00:00:48,608 --> 00:00:48,904 how. 17 00:00:48,984 --> 00:00:50,764 >> Justin Rexing: On topic versus hard 18 00:00:51,744 --> 00:00:53,032 off top numbers. 19 00:00:53,088 --> 00:00:55,112 >> Jamie Rinehart: The numbers of things explain it to me. 20 00:00:55,208 --> 00:00:58,200 >> Chris Dechter: I should go back about five years until us not to do it this way. 21 00:00:58,232 --> 00:00:58,760 It's confusing. 22 00:00:58,792 --> 00:01:00,604 >> Marc Cholewczynski: It's not. We'll just stop doing that. 23 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:03,655 >> Chris Dechter: Um, and yes, it's Wednesday, so we're doing things a little bit differently. So 24 00:01:03,695 --> 00:01:06,359 broadcasting live from coast to coast and everywhere in between, 25 00:01:06,407 --> 00:01:09,143 transmitting across time zones faster than crummy hotel wif 26 00:01:09,159 --> 00:01:12,023 fi from the back of the rack to the front of the house. I'm Chris Decker and I'm 27 00:01:12,039 --> 00:01:14,967 pushing buttons, flipping switches and turning knobs. And you're tuned in 28 00:01:15,071 --> 00:01:17,791 for another Friday afternoon podcast adventure. But it's on Wednesday. 29 00:01:17,863 --> 00:01:18,479 >> Marc Cholewczynski: Wednesday. 30 00:01:18,647 --> 00:01:21,487 >> Chris Dechter: So this is a Wednesday afternoon podcast adventure. So thanks for 31 00:01:21,511 --> 00:01:24,079 joining us. Uh, impromptu with no warning. 32 00:01:24,127 --> 00:01:26,075 >> Marc Cholewczynski: We just watchise accordingly. 33 00:01:26,950 --> 00:01:29,730 >> Chris Dechter: Uh, so if you're wondering why we're doing this on Wednesday, uh, 34 00:01:29,730 --> 00:01:32,547 it's February. It's the shorter month and we have to squeeze in all these 35 00:01:32,571 --> 00:01:35,203 shows. And to be brutally honest, we forgot 36 00:01:35,379 --> 00:01:35,715 early. 37 00:01:35,755 --> 00:01:38,107 >> Marc Cholewczynski: We're bad at things. Schedule it ifly there were notes. 38 00:01:38,251 --> 00:01:40,255 >> Chris Dechter: Calendars are problems for us. 39 00:01:41,235 --> 00:01:42,923 >> Marc Cholewczynski: Tr but what we do it anyway. 40 00:01:43,019 --> 00:01:45,987 >> Chris Dechter: We're still here and we're gonna do the same show for you. And those of you listening to this on a recording, 41 00:01:46,011 --> 00:01:47,587 you have no idea what we're talking about. 42 00:01:47,771 --> 00:01:47,810 >> Jamie Rinehart: Congratulations. 43 00:01:47,810 --> 00:01:50,475 >> Chris Dechter: M so, uh, with that in mind, let's say hello to our 44 00:01:50,515 --> 00:01:52,793 panel of AV Super Friends today with. 45 00:01:52,849 --> 00:01:55,325 >> Justin Rexing: Oh, sureit we have not doing notes here. 46 00:01:57,025 --> 00:01:59,969 >> Chris Dechter: Yes, today I'm joined by a product metrics 47 00:02:00,017 --> 00:02:02,897 producer from Kansas City. Say hello to Jamie 48 00:02:02,921 --> 00:02:03,725 Reinhardt. 49 00:02:04,065 --> 00:02:06,489 >> Jamie Rinehart: I'm um, taking note getting 50 00:02:06,537 --> 00:02:07,285 metrics. 51 00:02:09,065 --> 00:02:10,365 >> Marc Cholewczynski: 35 millimeter. 52 00:02:11,430 --> 00:02:14,273 >> Chris Dechter: Uh, also joined by a national interactions architect 53 00:02:14,329 --> 00:02:16,985 from Corvallis, Oregon. Say hello to Mark Kolznki. 54 00:02:17,065 --> 00:02:19,921 >> Marc Cholewczynski: We can feel it nationally, not 55 00:02:19,953 --> 00:02:22,913 necessarily as local as we wanted to, but nationally we're 56 00:02:22,929 --> 00:02:24,045 Going toa go big this time. 57 00:02:25,895 --> 00:02:28,671 >> Chris Dechter: Also joined by an interactive identity manager from 58 00:02:28,703 --> 00:02:31,555 Greensboro, North Carolina. Say hello to Larry Darling 59 00:02:32,495 --> 00:02:32,807 Sous. 60 00:02:32,831 --> 00:02:34,835 >> Larry Darling: Like a choose your own adventure book. 61 00:02:35,455 --> 00:02:37,435 >> Jamie Rinehart: It'S part of your only fans. 62 00:02:38,050 --> 00:02:40,075 >> Marc Cholewczynski: Uh, the answer was just cough. 63 00:02:40,775 --> 00:02:43,583 >> Chris Dechter: And finally joined by our vice president for customer 64 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:46,487 optimization from Bowling Green, Kentucky, Mr. Justin 65 00:02:46,511 --> 00:02:47,235 Rexing. 66 00:02:47,655 --> 00:02:50,479 >> Justin Rexing: We've optimized all of our customers by getting 67 00:02:50,527 --> 00:02:51,915 rid of half of them. 68 00:02:52,375 --> 00:02:54,675 >> Marc Cholewczynski: Are they paying still? They're not paying. Not customers. 69 00:02:55,255 --> 00:02:57,865 >> Justin Rexing: There'subscription services. Sure. 70 00:02:58,605 --> 00:03:00,973 It's like that Netflix account you forgot you had. 71 00:03:01,109 --> 00:03:03,941 >> Chris Dechter: It's like apparently there's some service out 72 00:03:03,973 --> 00:03:06,773 there that keeps track of all your subscriptions and tells you what you're 73 00:03:06,789 --> 00:03:07,205 subscribed to. 74 00:03:07,245 --> 00:03:08,717 >> Justin Rexing: That's a paid for service. 75 00:03:08,781 --> 00:03:11,653 >> Chris Dechter: Right. But how does it know what you're subscribed to if you don't tell 76 00:03:11,669 --> 00:03:14,053 it? And if you've already forgotten, how does it know 77 00:03:14,229 --> 00:03:14,829 it? 78 00:03:14,957 --> 00:03:17,265 >> Justin Rexing: Because the cloud. Because dogeure scans 79 00:03:18,205 --> 00:03:21,157 and then the cloud comes back and tells you how much money 80 00:03:21,181 --> 00:03:21,653 you're wasting. 81 00:03:21,709 --> 00:03:24,197 >> Jamie Rinehart: Add your account open book and that. 82 00:03:24,221 --> 00:03:26,365 >> Justin Rexing: Costs more money to tell you how much money you're spending. 83 00:03:26,405 --> 00:03:28,401 >> Marc Cholewczynski: That'something. If you're going to take my identity, you got to take all of it. 84 00:03:28,493 --> 00:03:31,417 >> Chris Dechter: You security number is. Yes. 85 00:03:31,561 --> 00:03:34,153 >> Justin Rexing: If you signed up for that app, you should question your 86 00:03:34,289 --> 00:03:37,049 life. Like not even keeping track of. 87 00:03:37,097 --> 00:03:38,697 >> Marc Cholewczynski: Don't worry about rocket money. It's not. 88 00:03:38,761 --> 00:03:41,553 >> Jamie Rinehart: All you have to do is cross reference your password page and 89 00:03:41,569 --> 00:03:42,365 it's done. 90 00:03:42,865 --> 00:03:45,753 >> Chris Dechter: Yeah, I said all my passwords to be the same. It's easier that 91 00:03:45,769 --> 00:03:46,113 way. 92 00:03:46,209 --> 00:03:49,137 >> Marc Cholewczynski: I just have'as my screen four. Um, it has the note on 93 00:03:49,161 --> 00:03:51,649 my computer. It's a screen saver. It has all the passwords, just runs. 94 00:03:51,777 --> 00:03:53,489 >> Justin Rexing: Thought that'lice'on topic. 95 00:03:53,577 --> 00:03:55,001 >> Marc Cholewczynski: It is. Oh, yes, we're very specific. 96 00:03:55,033 --> 00:03:55,505 >> Larry Darling: This is the top. 97 00:03:55,545 --> 00:03:56,289 >> Chris Dechter: Thanks, Justin. 98 00:03:56,417 --> 00:03:58,985 So on today's show, we're going to discuss our process of 99 00:03:59,025 --> 00:04:02,007 updating standards. But first, some 100 00:04:02,031 --> 00:04:04,943 housekeeping, not the news. Um, so first of all, 101 00:04:04,959 --> 00:04:07,951 if you're listening to this As a recorded MP3, we do stream live on Fridays, except 102 00:04:07,983 --> 00:04:10,735 today when it's Wednesday at about 3:30 Eastern, 12:30 Pacific. 103 00:04:10,775 --> 00:04:13,743 So best way to find out when we're streaming for 104 00:04:13,879 --> 00:04:16,375 these, like surprise streaming things 105 00:04:16,535 --> 00:04:19,450 is, uh, join us live or join us on, uh, 106 00:04:19,495 --> 00:04:21,760 Twitter, LinkedIn, where else we stream? Uh, 107 00:04:21,815 --> 00:04:23,855 YouTubeue Blue Sky. 108 00:04:24,015 --> 00:04:24,751 >> Justin Rexing: The blueface. 109 00:04:24,823 --> 00:04:27,783 >> Chris Dechter: Yeah, Blue Sky. 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So we decided, we talked about standards and 149 00:06:08,791 --> 00:06:11,703 Larry, I think you're the one who raised this like isn't this the time of year that 150 00:06:11,719 --> 00:06:13,795 we need to like kind of re 151 00:06:14,135 --> 00:06:17,103 revisit our standards and how we're doing that and make 152 00:06:17,119 --> 00:06:18,183 some slight changes? 153 00:06:18,319 --> 00:06:20,911 >> Larry Darling: Spring clean well it came up 154 00:06:20,983 --> 00:06:23,623 because this is time of year when several of 155 00:06:23,719 --> 00:06:26,475 our schools give out one time funds 156 00:06:26,555 --> 00:06:29,419 and so we're tasked with spending 157 00:06:29,467 --> 00:06:32,435 money quickly and so you know we 158 00:06:32,475 --> 00:06:35,019 typically get stuck with whatever standard was this year we're going 159 00:06:35,027 --> 00:06:37,867 to continue to buy that. But Mark, you have money 160 00:06:37,931 --> 00:06:40,715 brought up occasionally. But 161 00:06:40,755 --> 00:06:43,120 Mark brought up that we're doing it wrong uh 162 00:06:43,171 --> 00:06:45,491 because Our standards are the entire 163 00:06:45,563 --> 00:06:48,339 room and apparently he's not doing 164 00:06:48,387 --> 00:06:51,339 that anymore. And to me that like 165 00:06:51,387 --> 00:06:52,175 how do you. 166 00:06:52,495 --> 00:06:53,143 >> Justin Rexing: Is this the key? 167 00:06:53,199 --> 00:06:55,887 >> Larry Darling: I'm still stuck behind us 168 00:06:56,031 --> 00:06:58,727 a little bit. I'm still in the 169 00:06:58,751 --> 00:07:01,599 mindset that my standard for this year is 170 00:07:01,687 --> 00:07:04,391 this complete system and I'm going to 171 00:07:04,423 --> 00:07:07,423 install this complete system in these 172 00:07:07,519 --> 00:07:10,407 30 rooms. Ish. Give plus or 173 00:07:10,431 --> 00:07:13,255 minus some stuff and if I need to pre 174 00:07:13,295 --> 00:07:16,255 purchase for next year I'm probably going to end up having to do 175 00:07:16,295 --> 00:07:19,193 the exact same system. And I thought that 176 00:07:19,209 --> 00:07:20,817 was the way most of us were doing. 177 00:07:20,961 --> 00:07:23,601 >> Marc Cholewczynski: Probably are. You're probably correct. But 178 00:07:23,673 --> 00:07:26,609 I'm teasing out that maybe there 179 00:07:26,617 --> 00:07:29,617 are budget woes from different universities across the 180 00:07:29,641 --> 00:07:32,409 land that may require a little bit of nuance. 181 00:07:32,537 --> 00:07:35,273 I think that's the take. Jamie. What. What's 182 00:07:35,289 --> 00:07:35,849 up? 183 00:07:36,017 --> 00:07:38,913 >> Jamie Rinehart: Well inna say I'm aboard the 184 00:07:38,929 --> 00:07:40,033 mark bandwagon here. 185 00:07:40,089 --> 00:07:40,685 >> Chris Dechter: I. 186 00:07:41,905 --> 00:07:44,785 >> Jamie Rinehart: No, I don't buy things by the room anymore. 187 00:07:44,825 --> 00:07:47,327 And especially with within of your mind. It's stock my 188 00:07:47,351 --> 00:07:50,287 shelves with the most common things that I'm gonna 189 00:07:50,311 --> 00:07:52,075 put everywhere no matter what. 190 00:07:52,815 --> 00:07:55,703 >> Chris Dechter: Do you do that for departmental spaces too? And then do you 191 00:07:55,719 --> 00:07:57,359 build them back or do you have a mechanism for that? 192 00:07:57,407 --> 00:07:59,450 >> Jamie Rinehart: Yeah, um. 193 00:07:59,455 --> 00:08:01,287 >> Marc Cholewczynski: The kit is the kit. We have it. 194 00:08:01,471 --> 00:08:02,383 >> Jamie Rinehart: The kit is the kit. 195 00:08:02,439 --> 00:08:05,155 >> Chris Dechter: Well cause yeah there are some common components but Toler's point 196 00:08:05,575 --> 00:08:08,447 departments come up with these, these and they're not necessarily one time funds as 197 00:08:08,471 --> 00:08:11,235 much as funds they're gonna be spent out by the end of the fiscal year 198 00:08:11,655 --> 00:08:14,439 and but you don't know if it's real or not. And so I'm a 199 00:08:14,447 --> 00:08:17,379 little?e you know, reticent to just go buy a 200 00:08:17,387 --> 00:08:17,947 bunch of stuff. 201 00:08:18,011 --> 00:08:20,923 >> Jamie Rinehart: J'aan Jahhari's joining us 202 00:08:20,979 --> 00:08:23,915 today. Yeah, look that um, but uh, yeah, 203 00:08:23,955 --> 00:08:26,095 no, so that's 204 00:08:26,635 --> 00:08:29,627 departmental. If they get extra funds then 205 00:08:29,651 --> 00:08:32,523 that's usually a site visit and let's tune this thing up. 206 00:08:32,579 --> 00:08:35,571 Right. Um, if it's a refresh, if it's something that's 207 00:08:35,603 --> 00:08:37,975 under my thing, if it's my end of your budget, 208 00:08:38,540 --> 00:08:41,451 um, I'm buying just. I'm 209 00:08:41,483 --> 00:08:44,205 stocking the shell with the everyday parts and let's go do it. 210 00:08:44,315 --> 00:08:47,169 And I don't buy full room kits much anymore 211 00:08:47,217 --> 00:08:49,921 unless it's a brand new. It's either a capital project 212 00:08:49,993 --> 00:08:52,865 and or a department that comes in and says hey 213 00:08:52,905 --> 00:08:55,605 we're going to gut this room. Can you just give us new stuff? 214 00:08:56,545 --> 00:08:59,273 >> Marc Cholewczynski: I think if you have the 215 00:08:59,329 --> 00:09:01,785 luxury of doing the full 216 00:09:01,825 --> 00:09:04,705 room, by all means do the full room. But 217 00:09:04,745 --> 00:09:07,473 yeah, I uh. Don't know if that's the case everywhere anymore. I 218 00:09:07,489 --> 00:09:10,057 think in a perfect world where we have this nice cadence and 219 00:09:10,081 --> 00:09:13,009 budgets are solid and everything's moving and we're doing everything we've 220 00:09:13,057 --> 00:09:15,937 planned. Yes. If you got the luxury and you have the 221 00:09:15,961 --> 00:09:18,921 time, go replace your whole room with your standard 222 00:09:18,953 --> 00:09:21,897 kit stuff. And so. And then if you 223 00:09:21,921 --> 00:09:24,801 had a failure along the way, you can kind of replace that. But how much kit 224 00:09:24,833 --> 00:09:27,209 can you get to stretch and cover as much 225 00:09:27,297 --> 00:09:30,241 need to me is the intriguing piece 226 00:09:30,273 --> 00:09:33,193 like, what can I what I could build out x amount of room? Yes. But 227 00:09:33,209 --> 00:09:35,937 if I don't need to build out xount of room, does that mean I have 228 00:09:36,041 --> 00:09:39,025 this inventory that I can apply towards break fix if 229 00:09:39,105 --> 00:09:39,561 push comes. 230 00:09:39,593 --> 00:09:42,499 >> Jamie Rinehart: To shove where that kit is actually 231 00:09:42,547 --> 00:09:45,467 everywhere. So even if I'm gonna update this entire room, 232 00:09:45,531 --> 00:09:48,387 chances are it's that same stuff I just stocked 233 00:09:48,451 --> 00:09:49,655 the shelves with. 234 00:09:50,035 --> 00:09:52,771 >> Larry Darling: But isn't the money you're saving with the one time 235 00:09:52,843 --> 00:09:55,507 system built just being spent in labor because 236 00:09:55,531 --> 00:09:58,295 you'happen to go to that room multiple times now 237 00:09:59,275 --> 00:09:59,603 we're. 238 00:09:59,619 --> 00:10:02,459 >> Marc Cholewczynski: Going toa be in the room multiple times anyway, whether it's go going toa be for 239 00:10:02,507 --> 00:10:05,411 service and cleaning or whatever it is. Um, and I'm not 240 00:10:05,443 --> 00:10:08,363 saying it's a foolproof way to build your standard around. That's not 241 00:10:08,379 --> 00:10:11,145 what I'm saying saying. I think when we start 242 00:10:11,185 --> 00:10:14,153 talking about the totality of budget in that if 243 00:10:14,169 --> 00:10:17,169 you have hundreds of spaces and in a perfect world, 244 00:10:17,217 --> 00:10:19,885 yes, your budget lines. But what if it doesn't? 245 00:10:20,265 --> 00:10:23,153 What if it doesn't line? You're not going to get that refresh, are 246 00:10:23,169 --> 00:10:25,905 you better saying y well, I'm going just, I'm going to blow all this on these 10 247 00:10:25,945 --> 00:10:28,681 rooms. Or is it better to say, okay, what 248 00:10:28,753 --> 00:10:31,553 needs to be dealt with today in that room? If it's all 249 00:10:31,569 --> 00:10:34,473 dead, yes, replace it all, that's fine. But can 250 00:10:34,489 --> 00:10:37,433 you get excess life and move things and be a little more nimble and 251 00:10:37,449 --> 00:10:40,309 agile? And again, I think it's a tactic. It's not a. 252 00:10:40,417 --> 00:10:43,197 This is the way it has to be for everything. Right. And so 253 00:10:43,381 --> 00:10:46,213 if we look at our standards and say, okay, the stuff's not the 254 00:10:46,229 --> 00:10:49,069 standard anyway, Right. That part's not part of like a division 255 00:10:49,117 --> 00:10:51,925 27. It's the infrastructure is infrastructure. What do you have 256 00:10:51,965 --> 00:10:54,905 as the material you're going to have on hand for endpoints? 257 00:10:55,445 --> 00:10:58,357 Be really critical and intentional about that. 258 00:10:58,370 --> 00:11:01,157 Um, or as Chris likes to do, go buy a giant 16 by 16 or 259 00:11:01,181 --> 00:11:03,745 32 x 32 matrix switcher and just put that everywhere. 260 00:11:03,910 --> 00:11:04,090 >> Larry Darling: Um. 261 00:11:04,090 --> 00:11:06,069 >> Chris Dechter: Sometimes two or three. Just fun. 262 00:11:06,117 --> 00:11:08,781 >> Jamie Rinehart: Well and I've reached a point where most of these time these 263 00:11:08,813 --> 00:11:11,303 refresh larries I'm taking out 264 00:11:11,479 --> 00:11:14,463 the all in Wonders that we like. We use a lot 265 00:11:14,479 --> 00:11:17,391 of cross points. Right. But those are coming off 266 00:11:17,503 --> 00:11:20,503 and dare you sir. It's 267 00:11:20,519 --> 00:11:23,423 not that they're bad. We're just changing the way we do things. 268 00:11:23,519 --> 00:11:23,879 >> Chris Dechter: Nope. 269 00:11:23,927 --> 00:11:26,911 >> Jamie Rinehart: Only there's only one way. Buy it all in Wonder. 270 00:11:27,023 --> 00:11:29,983 And it has to all be from the same company no matter what. Because that's 271 00:11:29,999 --> 00:11:30,983 the only way this world. 272 00:11:31,039 --> 00:11:32,715 >> Chris Dechter: If your smallest room doesn't have a. 273 00:11:34,175 --> 00:11:35,435 >> Marc Cholewczynski: Next to the lector. 274 00:11:36,715 --> 00:11:38,227 >> Larry Darling: But the all in Wonder has to cost 275 00:11:38,291 --> 00:11:40,747 $4,999. 276 00:11:40,891 --> 00:11:42,443 >> Marc Cholewczynski: Yah. I'm not managing as an asset. 277 00:11:42,579 --> 00:11:44,815 Don't even ask. It's not even a question. 278 00:11:45,195 --> 00:11:48,083 >> Jamie Rinehart: So that's just. That's just where I've come and it's just been the 279 00:11:48,099 --> 00:11:51,067 last couple of years that and it's not even 280 00:11:51,131 --> 00:11:53,947 because uh. Of Mark's preaching. I mean he's got a 281 00:11:53,971 --> 00:11:56,555 really big soapbox that he stands on about this 282 00:11:56,715 --> 00:11:59,627 kid of parts but organically 283 00:11:59,731 --> 00:12:01,509 that's where we've ended up. 284 00:12:01,707 --> 00:12:02,321 >> Marc Cholewczynski: Yeah. 285 00:12:02,433 --> 00:12:05,273 >> Jamie Rinehart: Especially when you're starting to use AV over ip. Especially like in 286 00:12:05,289 --> 00:12:08,169 my case a lot of my stuff just goes on the enterprise network. I don't have to 287 00:12:08,177 --> 00:12:10,785 deal with a lot of this crap. And all of a sudden 288 00:12:10,945 --> 00:12:13,777 those projectors I put in a few years ago, they're all 289 00:12:13,801 --> 00:12:16,230 lasers have low hours. I'm not replacing them. Um 290 00:12:16,281 --> 00:12:18,090 amplifier speakers. I'm not replacing them. 291 00:12:18,090 --> 00:12:18,210 >> Larry Darling: Um. 292 00:12:18,265 --> 00:12:21,161 >> Jamie Rinehart: So let's put in the network shit and go. Let's just go 293 00:12:21,233 --> 00:12:21,537 like. 294 00:12:21,601 --> 00:12:24,525 >> Marc Cholewczynski: I think we have these staggered approaches of like 295 00:12:25,465 --> 00:12:28,001 loved if everything kind of died at the same time and it was all the same 296 00:12:28,073 --> 00:12:31,009 lifespan. But it's not. And I think've even said in 297 00:12:31,017 --> 00:12:33,697 the past it'd be nice if some things actually weren't 298 00:12:33,881 --> 00:12:36,777 as long lived and would reflect that as a price point. But we're 299 00:12:36,801 --> 00:12:39,753 not there. But look at 300 00:12:39,809 --> 00:12:42,617 the totality of a space. Especially the non typical spaces. 301 00:12:42,681 --> 00:12:45,657 Right. The ones that have the weird configurations. They're bigger or 302 00:12:45,681 --> 00:12:48,673 whatever it is. Do you have to have an all or 303 00:12:48,689 --> 00:12:51,649 not approach to those? Can you go in and say I'm gonna do transport 304 00:12:51,737 --> 00:12:54,545 or I'm gonna do DSP or I'm. Can you stage 305 00:12:54,625 --> 00:12:57,390 a refresh and non standard pae? I'm um. 306 00:12:57,457 --> 00:13:00,321 Not Y. Time is of value and that 307 00:13:00,353 --> 00:13:03,045 piece can be annoying man. Can you be more 308 00:13:03,125 --> 00:13:04,453 effective with a budget? 309 00:13:04,629 --> 00:13:07,425 >> Justin Rexing: That's what I live Every day that's all we do. 310 00:13:07,805 --> 00:13:10,485 >> Jamie Rinehart: I've been living that with uh, like I have a pharmacy project, 311 00:13:10,525 --> 00:13:13,413 right. And they couldn't do all the places 312 00:13:13,469 --> 00:13:16,421 all at once, all the time. It was just too much of a budget hop. So 313 00:13:16,493 --> 00:13:19,293 we're doing the thirds. It has been a never 314 00:13:19,349 --> 00:13:22,277 ending. I do a third this year in 315 00:13:22,301 --> 00:13:25,189 one location a third next year and another location a third next year. And 316 00:13:25,197 --> 00:13:28,185 then by the time I get done with that third I got to go back to the next third 317 00:13:28,615 --> 00:13:31,543 and um. M. I'm done with it. Like we'renna have a meeting and 318 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:33,635 we're going to talk about look, this isn't, 319 00:13:34,615 --> 00:13:36,591 this is feasible any longer. 320 00:13:36,743 --> 00:13:39,407 >> Justin Rexing: If somed'budget is what it is, they don't have another 321 00:13:39,431 --> 00:13:41,951 option. So the other option is to not do anything. 322 00:13:42,023 --> 00:13:44,951 >> Jamie Rinehart: Well to us right now though with the old way 323 00:13:44,983 --> 00:13:47,647 was it all came back to Central's core and it was the 324 00:13:47,671 --> 00:13:50,655 big 4 billion by 4 billion matrixes and 325 00:13:50,695 --> 00:13:52,919 everything else. And now there were plugging in 326 00:13:53,047 --> 00:13:55,845 endpoint network endpoints all over the place. It's 327 00:13:55,935 --> 00:13:58,873 easier just to do the whole thing and be done with it. And now it's 328 00:13:58,889 --> 00:14:01,625 an end point swap, not an entire infrastructure 329 00:14:01,665 --> 00:14:01,913 swap. 330 00:14:01,969 --> 00:14:04,785 >> Chris Dechter: So Jamie, I have a similar scenario where the college of business wants to do like 331 00:14:04,825 --> 00:14:07,817 25 rooms. Well they don't have the budget to do 25 rooms in one 332 00:14:07,881 --> 00:14:10,857 shot. And mark to your point, I don't need to replace everything in there, but 333 00:14:10,881 --> 00:14:13,697 the vast majority of things, even if I'm just doing control and 334 00:14:13,721 --> 00:14:16,561 transport and displays and things that still adds up. And 335 00:14:16,593 --> 00:14:19,361 so instead of trying to do it and phased across the board, 336 00:14:19,433 --> 00:14:22,353 I said pick you know, a third of your rooms and a third of your rooms and 337 00:14:22,369 --> 00:14:25,161 a 30 rooms and we'll do it that way. So yes, it will be a longer 338 00:14:25,193 --> 00:14:28,041 term project. But it was funny during the discussions 339 00:14:28,073 --> 00:14:30,817 of this when the business school, of all people, the business school 340 00:14:30,881 --> 00:14:33,857 business managers are now like hey wouldn't this be easier if we just knew how 341 00:14:33,881 --> 00:14:36,857 many we were doing every couple of years and just budgeted accordingly. I'm like yes, 342 00:14:36,921 --> 00:14:39,313 yeses, it would but it's one of those things where it's. 343 00:14:39,409 --> 00:14:41,625 >> Jamie Rinehart: Room I they had hear of a system. 344 00:14:41,705 --> 00:14:44,697 >> Chris Dechter: Yeah. They had to discover that like themselves and like kind of come to that conclusion 345 00:14:44,721 --> 00:14:47,673 themselves to be like oh let's just do like five a year 346 00:14:47,729 --> 00:14:49,365 forever. Like okay. 347 00:14:49,825 --> 00:14:52,273 >> Marc Cholewczynski: And that's the nuance that a lot of the 348 00:14:52,329 --> 00:14:55,311 individual colleges or departments they only 349 00:14:55,343 --> 00:14:58,327 see the things within their little world. They're not understanding that you 350 00:14:58,351 --> 00:15:01,199 all as a Central larger management has to deal 351 00:15:01,207 --> 00:15:03,719 with 500 spaces. They're just worried about their little 20 352 00:15:03,767 --> 00:15:06,727 spaces re. Oh, well, wait. Wouldn't it be easy? Well, yes, it would 353 00:15:06,751 --> 00:15:09,567 be a lot easier if you just get on board with everything else, but that's 354 00:15:09,591 --> 00:15:12,247 not always the case, and that's a luxury if we actually get that. And 355 00:15:12,271 --> 00:15:13,503 so I don't know. 356 00:15:13,639 --> 00:15:16,031 It's interesting, but let's bend this 357 00:15:16,063 --> 00:15:18,927 now. Larry, are you rethinking what is in 358 00:15:18,951 --> 00:15:21,375 your quote unquote standard, quiver 359 00:15:21,795 --> 00:15:24,590 kit, slash, whatever you're going with? Um, 360 00:15:24,590 --> 00:15:27,355 your backpack. Yeah. As you approach your 361 00:15:27,395 --> 00:15:30,027 standard, has it changed or has there anything as of 362 00:15:30,131 --> 00:15:32,923 late that has made you think differently 363 00:15:32,979 --> 00:15:34,415 about what your standard may be? 364 00:15:34,795 --> 00:15:37,715 >> Larry Darling: Oh, yeah, there's absolutely. There's multiple projects 365 00:15:37,755 --> 00:15:40,475 that are rumored to be coming out this year that I think 366 00:15:40,515 --> 00:15:43,491 will greatly benefit me. But the problem is I got that one 367 00:15:43,523 --> 00:15:46,195 time fund and. Which means 368 00:15:46,315 --> 00:15:49,227 now I don't have time. I don't have time 369 00:15:49,291 --> 00:15:51,695 or the knowledge of what's rumored 370 00:15:52,005 --> 00:15:54,181 to actually quote and 371 00:15:54,293 --> 00:15:55,065 procure. 372 00:15:55,445 --> 00:15:57,781 >> Chris Dechter: Wait, you don't quote people on vaporware? 373 00:15:57,973 --> 00:16:00,437 >> Larry Darling: No, I don't. And so I'm stuck again 374 00:16:00,501 --> 00:16:02,985 running what I've used 375 00:16:03,485 --> 00:16:06,317 another year, which will now be like the fourth year on 376 00:16:06,341 --> 00:16:09,141 that same standard. And I was really wanting to do three 377 00:16:09,173 --> 00:16:11,545 years and then jump to the next one. 378 00:16:12,245 --> 00:16:14,397 >> Justin Rexing: But you don't have your next standard yet. 379 00:16:14,581 --> 00:16:15,629 >> Larry Darling: I don't have it because. 380 00:16:15,677 --> 00:16:18,565 >> Justin Rexing: So why do you. So what is it? I mean, isn't that easier to just 381 00:16:18,605 --> 00:16:19,983 stick with something that works? 382 00:16:20,039 --> 00:16:22,263 >> Larry Darling: It is, but at some point, like. 383 00:16:22,439 --> 00:16:24,967 >> Marc Cholewczynski: It'S the cost of change. You got to make a jump somewhere. 384 00:16:25,151 --> 00:16:26,063 >> Larry Darling: I've got to make that. 385 00:16:26,119 --> 00:16:28,355 >> Justin Rexing: But why? What's triggering that jump? 386 00:16:29,410 --> 00:16:31,835 >> Larry Darling: Uh, multiple things there are on. 387 00:16:34,455 --> 00:16:34,470 >> Chris Dechter: Smaller. 388 00:16:34,470 --> 00:16:37,127 >> Larry Darling: M. DSPs that I think will fit the classroom 389 00:16:37,191 --> 00:16:39,903 standard better. That will enable 390 00:16:39,959 --> 00:16:40,319 me. 391 00:16:40,407 --> 00:16:42,559 >> Chris Dechter: Are you guys installing DSPs in your classrooms? 392 00:16:42,727 --> 00:16:44,675 >> Larry Darling: Why every single one? 393 00:16:45,335 --> 00:16:46,555 >> Justin Rexing: Why would you do that? 394 00:16:47,095 --> 00:16:49,511 >> Larry Darling: Because Microsoft Teams doesn't do audio very 395 00:16:49,543 --> 00:16:52,350 well. I used to not. Uh. 396 00:16:54,095 --> 00:16:56,751 >> Jamie Rinehart: Don'T listen to Larry discussion. I'm with you. 397 00:16:56,863 --> 00:16:57,943 DSP every. 398 00:16:58,119 --> 00:17:01,035 >> Larry Darling: Do you not put DSPs in on your client? Well, wait, 399 00:17:01,535 --> 00:17:03,327 you don't have speakers. It doesn't matter. 400 00:17:03,391 --> 00:17:05,875 >> Justin Rexing: Where have you been for the past five years? 401 00:17:08,335 --> 00:17:09,239 >> Jamie Rinehart: Floor is your. 402 00:17:09,367 --> 00:17:11,155 >> Marc Cholewczynski: How much do we need audio? Ye. 403 00:17:11,535 --> 00:17:14,535 >> Chris Dechter: I do want to clarify. When I say DSP, I mean full rack 404 00:17:14,575 --> 00:17:17,551 width thing with like 2025 analog I O on it. 405 00:17:17,583 --> 00:17:18,671 You're still buying one of those? 406 00:17:18,783 --> 00:17:20,055 >> Larry Darling: It's a half rack thing. 407 00:17:20,135 --> 00:17:23,035 >> Jamie Rinehart: Okay, better like 8, but still 408 00:17:24,015 --> 00:17:25,795 custom configured card frame. 409 00:17:27,175 --> 00:17:29,415 >> Chris Dechter: Why wouldn't just took One of out. 410 00:17:29,455 --> 00:17:32,199 >> Larry Darling: With amp cards, half 411 00:17:32,247 --> 00:17:34,519 rack. Because there's nothing smaller. 412 00:17:34,647 --> 00:17:35,135 >> Chris Dechter: Okay. 413 00:17:35,215 --> 00:17:36,795 >> Larry Darling: There'smaller things coming. 414 00:17:38,095 --> 00:17:38,695 >> Chris Dechter: Rumored. 415 00:17:38,775 --> 00:17:41,087 >> Justin Rexing: Rumored to the trigger is just. 416 00:17:41,151 --> 00:17:43,869 >> Larry Darling: No, not from. From la. From like 417 00:17:43,917 --> 00:17:46,773 catch box Ensure. There's other options 418 00:17:46,829 --> 00:17:48,345 that I really want to explore. 419 00:17:48,380 --> 00:17:50,581 >> Chris Dechter: Um, those have been shipping for a while. 420 00:17:50,653 --> 00:17:51,360 >> Marc Cholewczynski: Notong. 421 00:17:51,360 --> 00:17:53,917 >> Chris Dechter: Uh, you need to really get out there and explore the 422 00:17:53,941 --> 00:17:54,505 space. 423 00:17:55,285 --> 00:17:58,213 >> Marc Cholewczynski: I don't dare anybody revisit our standards episodes because 424 00:17:58,229 --> 00:18:01,149 I feel like that would take up to time. But we'll wait. Go ahead and listen to those and then 425 00:18:01,157 --> 00:18:01,941 we'll come back. 426 00:18:02,093 --> 00:18:04,341 >> Justin Rexing: Yeah, we'll wait right here for five minutes. 427 00:18:04,493 --> 00:18:04,877 >> Marc Cholewczynski: So. 428 00:18:04,941 --> 00:18:05,261 >> Larry Darling: But. 429 00:18:05,333 --> 00:18:05,981 >> Chris Dechter: And we're back. 430 00:18:06,053 --> 00:18:08,917 >> Marc Cholewczynski: And we're back. So based on what you 431 00:18:08,941 --> 00:18:11,851 heard now, the question I have 432 00:18:11,883 --> 00:18:14,715 about standard is do you absolutely need that 433 00:18:14,755 --> 00:18:17,323 level of horsepower in every type of space? Now you said 434 00:18:17,379 --> 00:18:20,219 classroom. I'm willing to hedge and say that that word 435 00:18:20,307 --> 00:18:23,107 classroom means something in your standard. And 436 00:18:23,131 --> 00:18:26,027 so, um, that capability. So 437 00:18:26,051 --> 00:18:27,495 you need that capability 438 00:18:28,755 --> 00:18:31,611 which can only be found within a 439 00:18:31,643 --> 00:18:34,171 now half rackd DSP or vaporware. 440 00:18:34,363 --> 00:18:34,843 Correct? 441 00:18:34,899 --> 00:18:37,275 >> Larry Darling: Yes, or vaporware. Uh, yeah. 442 00:18:37,315 --> 00:18:38,955 >> Jamie Rinehart: Dang it, Cam. Get off the line. 443 00:18:39,035 --> 00:18:40,387 >> Marc Cholewczynski: He's pushing us on 30 Fe by. 444 00:18:40,411 --> 00:18:43,307 >> Larry Darling: 9 real hard, which I agree with. 30 by 9 445 00:18:43,371 --> 00:18:46,251 is A. Well, it depends if it's two 446 00:18:46,323 --> 00:18:47,531 place Y spaces. 447 00:18:47,683 --> 00:18:50,555 >> Chris Dechter: So, Larry, aside from the DSP, are there other things 448 00:18:50,595 --> 00:18:52,963 that you're champion at the bit to 449 00:18:53,019 --> 00:18:55,787 actually integrate or not integrate, but to include. 450 00:18:55,851 --> 00:18:58,707 But you haven't gotten there yet. And so now you're torn because 451 00:18:58,811 --> 00:19:01,707 this is your one opportunity and the next opportunity is next 452 00:19:01,771 --> 00:19:04,133 March and you kind of have to wait all the way around. 453 00:19:04,309 --> 00:19:07,253 >> Larry Darling: Well, it. I'm thinking next September is when I'm looking 454 00:19:07,269 --> 00:19:09,580 at it for sure now. But, um, 455 00:19:10,245 --> 00:19:13,173 AV over ip I want to least explore find out what 456 00:19:13,189 --> 00:19:16,173 it would look like in my island situation. 457 00:19:16,309 --> 00:19:18,989 Like, is it worth so I can move to 458 00:19:19,037 --> 00:19:21,413 the can standard kit of parts 459 00:19:21,589 --> 00:19:24,221 like just jump in, buy 460 00:19:24,253 --> 00:19:24,905 ticket. 461 00:19:25,725 --> 00:19:26,580 >> Marc Cholewczynski: Get on the plane. 462 00:19:26,580 --> 00:19:29,345 >> Justin Rexing: Uh, you haven't bought 463 00:19:29,655 --> 00:19:31,479 AV over IP in your classrooms yet. 464 00:19:31,527 --> 00:19:34,415 >> Larry Darling: Wellten, but not as my standard classroom. Let's pretend you 465 00:19:34,455 --> 00:19:36,167 I'm still HD basede t everywhere. 466 00:19:36,231 --> 00:19:37,895 >> Chris Dechter: Have you done more than one? Because it's a standard. 467 00:19:37,935 --> 00:19:40,599 >> Marc Cholewczynski: Nowah. Let's pretend you're on the kit 468 00:19:40,647 --> 00:19:43,479 bandwagon and we're five years down the road. 469 00:19:43,567 --> 00:19:46,119 No, three years down the road. Let's say we were re three years down the 470 00:19:46,127 --> 00:19:49,063 road and you're looking at a refresh coming up in the next year 471 00:19:49,079 --> 00:19:52,079 or two. Would you automatically assume you have 472 00:19:52,087 --> 00:19:54,635 to replace everything in that stack again? 473 00:19:55,435 --> 00:19:58,011 >> Larry Darling: I don't replace everything now but I 474 00:19:58,043 --> 00:20:00,987 replace. As Chris was saying, I replaced the control, I 475 00:20:01,011 --> 00:20:03,931 replaced the infrastructure. I replaced the displays. The 476 00:20:03,963 --> 00:20:06,655 infrastructure? Well, 477 00:20:06,995 --> 00:20:08,939 the switching. The hdmi. 478 00:20:09,067 --> 00:20:10,775 >> Chris Dechter: HD distribution. 479 00:20:11,210 --> 00:20:11,659 >> Larry Darling: Uh, yeah. 480 00:20:11,707 --> 00:20:14,259 >> Chris Dechter: It doesn't mean in the walls. Whereas I'm doing a lot of that. 481 00:20:14,307 --> 00:20:15,555 >> Justin Rexing: Do Cat 6 every time. 482 00:20:15,635 --> 00:20:18,443 >> Chris Dechter: Well, no, Justin, I have to put electrical in walls and ceilings 483 00:20:18,499 --> 00:20:21,489 because it wasn't done correctly 10 years ago. And they fished a know 484 00:20:21,537 --> 00:20:23,321 an extension cord across the ceiling. Yah. 485 00:20:23,393 --> 00:20:25,449 >> Larry Darling: And I'm doing that in some spaces now. 486 00:20:25,537 --> 00:20:27,953 >> Jamie Rinehart: I still have all extension cords across the ceiling. 487 00:20:28,009 --> 00:20:30,817 >> Chris Dechter: Yeah, Larry's the one doing keep showing them on my campus. We chase them off every 488 00:20:30,841 --> 00:20:32,489 morning and. 489 00:20:32,497 --> 00:20:34,841 >> Jamie Rinehart: He only buys the bright green ones. But 490 00:20:34,913 --> 00:20:37,681 no special. I'm still changing out 491 00:20:37,713 --> 00:20:40,633 VGA infrastructure and old RS232ees everywhere 492 00:20:40,689 --> 00:20:43,625 where we had this giant bundle of 493 00:20:43,665 --> 00:20:45,665 cable and now I need three. 494 00:20:45,785 --> 00:20:46,865 >> Chris Dechter: Justin, what's that cable called? 495 00:20:46,905 --> 00:20:49,753 >> Justin Rexing: Yeah, cats. Cat 6. 496 00:20:49,929 --> 00:20:52,641 >> Marc Cholewczynski: No, the one like multi cor. Weird 497 00:20:52,673 --> 00:20:53,245 one. 498 00:20:55,065 --> 00:20:57,365 >> Chris Dechter: And we're live. So say it all you want. 499 00:20:58,145 --> 00:20:59,125 >> Justin Rexing: You don't have. 500 00:20:59,505 --> 00:21:02,505 >> Marc Cholewczynski: Yeah, yeah. You know that stuff looks huge in 501 00:21:02,505 --> 00:21:03,245 your hands. 502 00:21:04,065 --> 00:21:06,689 >> Jamie Rinehart: It's like looks like it belongs in an adult 503 00:21:06,737 --> 00:21:07,257 movie. 504 00:21:07,361 --> 00:21:07,833 >> Marc Cholewczynski: Yeah. 505 00:21:07,929 --> 00:21:09,085 >> Justin Rexing: Hold it like that. 506 00:21:09,625 --> 00:21:11,925 >> Marc Cholewczynski: Yeah, exactly how I do it. 507 00:21:12,745 --> 00:21:14,705 >> Chris Dechter: I'm not comfortable with this conversation. 508 00:21:14,785 --> 00:21:17,673 >> Jamie Rinehart: When you make these changes, are you like hoping that 509 00:21:17,689 --> 00:21:20,647 you find the perfect widget? Just keep buying forever and ever and 510 00:21:20,671 --> 00:21:21,287 ever? 511 00:21:21,471 --> 00:21:22,055 >> Larry Darling: No. 512 00:21:22,175 --> 00:21:24,767 >> Jamie Rinehart: Are you looking for like okay, I'm going to do a video end 513 00:21:24,791 --> 00:21:27,743 point and if it changes in two years, 514 00:21:27,799 --> 00:21:30,351 whatever. The fact is it's the technology, not 515 00:21:30,383 --> 00:21:32,395 necessarily the widget. 516 00:21:33,135 --> 00:21:36,079 >> Larry Darling: Exactly. That's more the thing. But I do like to have a 517 00:21:36,127 --> 00:21:39,055 standard that my students become familiar 518 00:21:39,095 --> 00:21:41,855 with. And that standard lasts every three 519 00:21:41,895 --> 00:21:44,799 years for support purposes. Like I don't want is that when. 520 00:21:44,807 --> 00:21:46,867 >> Chris Dechter: You fire all the students three years. 521 00:21:46,931 --> 00:21:49,523 >> Marc Cholewczynski: They graduate one more year to train the next 522 00:21:49,579 --> 00:21:51,427 TRNO students and then we switch. 523 00:21:51,571 --> 00:21:53,835 >> Justin Rexing: What's the three years? What's the three? What's. 524 00:21:53,915 --> 00:21:55,219 >> Jamie Rinehart: That's the average life of a stud. 525 00:21:55,267 --> 00:21:58,259 >> Larry Darling: Three to four somewhere in there. But that way 526 00:21:58,347 --> 00:22:00,975 senior across a student's life are 527 00:22:02,195 --> 00:22:02,935 your. 528 00:22:03,555 --> 00:22:06,179 >> Chris Dechter: The term is academic career. Larry, what are you 529 00:22:06,227 --> 00:22:06,815 doing. 530 00:22:08,515 --> 00:22:11,475 >> Larry Darling: A longer academic career. They only have to like really become 531 00:22:11,515 --> 00:22:14,417 familiar with like two standards. Maybe 532 00:22:14,481 --> 00:22:15,810 three if there's a couple oddballs. 533 00:22:15,810 --> 00:22:18,665 >> Justin Rexing: Uh, so you're blowing university money on your student change out 534 00:22:18,705 --> 00:22:19,685 every three years? 535 00:22:20,305 --> 00:22:23,097 >> Marc Cholewczynski: No, we repace students with the 536 00:22:23,121 --> 00:22:24,405 rooms than 537 00:22:25,705 --> 00:22:27,925 B surplus. 538 00:22:29,385 --> 00:22:31,725 >> Justin Rexing: I'm trying to follow Carolina money. 539 00:22:32,385 --> 00:22:34,961 This isn'what to audit North 540 00:22:34,993 --> 00:22:35,393 Carolina. 541 00:22:35,449 --> 00:22:36,925 >> Larry Darling: Yeah, students, 542 00:22:38,410 --> 00:22:41,103 uh, classroom technology does 543 00:22:41,199 --> 00:22:43,919 become end of life at some point, Justin. And 544 00:22:44,087 --> 00:22:46,815 our when it Dies is eight 545 00:22:46,855 --> 00:22:47,103 years. 546 00:22:47,159 --> 00:22:49,195 >> Justin Rexing: That's end of life. When it's dead, 547 00:22:50,055 --> 00:22:51,915 it's dead. It's end of life. 548 00:22:52,295 --> 00:22:54,055 >> Jamie Rinehart: Therefore you replace it. 549 00:22:54,135 --> 00:22:56,943 >> Marc Cholewczynski: You can see how hard this conversation is to have. This is more 550 00:22:56,959 --> 00:22:59,511 remis that. Yeah. 551 00:22:59,703 --> 00:23:02,559 >> Jamie Rinehart: Is that holding you up then? Like, like, uh, I'm 552 00:23:02,567 --> 00:23:05,535 gonna take video, for example, right. So like a few years ago 553 00:23:05,575 --> 00:23:08,281 I was running out omni stream and now I'm running out 554 00:23:08,313 --> 00:23:11,201 visionaries. Are you worried of that switch 555 00:23:11,353 --> 00:23:13,937 or are you worried like Y is a product or capability 556 00:23:14,041 --> 00:23:14,617 programming? 557 00:23:14,721 --> 00:23:17,137 >> Larry Darling: Yeah, it's the capability. Like it's okay. 558 00:23:17,201 --> 00:23:20,105 I need to, I want to explore moving in 559 00:23:20,145 --> 00:23:23,089 this direction. AB over ip, right? There are multiple 560 00:23:23,137 --> 00:23:25,521 flavors I could go, but whatever flavor I 561 00:23:25,553 --> 00:23:28,457 go needs to be the standard that will 562 00:23:28,481 --> 00:23:31,401 meet all of my applications for the next 563 00:23:31,513 --> 00:23:34,419 three years. Y. That's a lot of pressure. 564 00:23:34,617 --> 00:23:37,559 >> Marc Cholewczynski: No, it's. It is the actual pressure that exists everywhere in the 565 00:23:37,567 --> 00:23:40,431 world right now because there's many, as many folks that have to are 566 00:23:40,463 --> 00:23:43,319 trying to determine that exact thing. Larry. I think it's a valid 567 00:23:43,407 --> 00:23:45,879 concern because there's a lot of people who have waited 568 00:23:45,927 --> 00:23:48,759 and're checking the market, seeing where things are. 569 00:23:48,887 --> 00:23:51,675 You know, where's our capability, where's the maturity? Which, which 570 00:23:52,095 --> 00:23:54,823 team am I going to go with? Am I going to be this 571 00:23:54,919 --> 00:23:57,335 brand of AV over IP or that brand, or what am I 572 00:23:57,375 --> 00:24:00,303 getting? I think yes, 573 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:03,111 the product and the team you hit, uh, yourself 574 00:24:03,143 --> 00:24:06,143 onto is important, but I think there's a lot of capabilities need to exist 575 00:24:06,159 --> 00:24:08,773 in your, your fte, your staff, your students, all of 576 00:24:08,789 --> 00:24:11,733 those and focus on that stuff too. So if you are going 577 00:24:11,749 --> 00:24:14,605 to make a change in your standard, what does it now 578 00:24:14,645 --> 00:24:17,629 mean to your actual knowledge base? How does 579 00:24:17,637 --> 00:24:20,597 it change how you service a space? How does it change programmatically? 580 00:24:20,661 --> 00:24:23,349 Does it change from your data environment? You mentioned islands. You 581 00:24:23,357 --> 00:24:26,197 know, those awarenesses as it pertains, it's not about just buying a 582 00:24:26,221 --> 00:24:29,037 thing, you know, it's not the stuff here. Again, it's not 583 00:24:29,061 --> 00:24:31,901 the stuff, it's the capabilities and what happens when you 584 00:24:31,933 --> 00:24:34,651 make that change. And I think, um, in reviewing your 585 00:24:34,683 --> 00:24:37,667 standards, being aware of all that is kind of the exercise. Understand 586 00:24:37,731 --> 00:24:40,707 if I make this change, what downstream effects are going 587 00:24:40,731 --> 00:24:43,659 to happen and how am I going to support this? What does 588 00:24:43,667 --> 00:24:46,547 it mean Super Sneakert now? 589 00:24:46,611 --> 00:24:49,483 Because I don't. I'm in an island, so now I have to run and do all this. So 590 00:24:49,579 --> 00:24:52,459 does it have cascading effects that change 591 00:24:52,507 --> 00:24:55,443 the way you support your spaces and now. And what does 592 00:24:55,459 --> 00:24:57,700 that mean to your students and your Frontline staff. So um, 593 00:24:58,755 --> 00:25:01,683 it's all the ball of wax that are happening with the AV over 594 00:25:01,699 --> 00:25:04,601 IP conversation is that we're changing from like 595 00:25:04,723 --> 00:25:07,613 the analog philosophy to the full digital philosophy and it all 596 00:25:07,669 --> 00:25:09,693 the toolkit and support has to go with it. So 597 00:25:09,749 --> 00:25:12,213 it'you're not alone in that concern. I 598 00:25:12,229 --> 00:25:15,053 think's it's easy to tiptoe and back into 599 00:25:15,069 --> 00:25:17,821 it through like the thing I'm going toa buy as my standard. 600 00:25:17,933 --> 00:25:19,941 But really it's much larger than that. 601 00:25:20,093 --> 00:25:22,853 >> Justin Rexing: See if you come to WKU and work 602 00:25:22,989 --> 00:25:25,093 you have theity of design. 603 00:25:25,149 --> 00:25:27,157 >> Marc Cholewczynski: You guys are off work snows. Yeah. 604 00:25:27,221 --> 00:25:30,125 >> Justin Rexing: And then if you screw it up so bad that's one 605 00:25:30,165 --> 00:25:33,117 mistake and then you move on to the next room because you're doing one thing 606 00:25:33,141 --> 00:25:33,721 at a time. 607 00:25:33,813 --> 00:25:34,885 >> Marc Cholewczynski: It's not a failure. 608 00:25:35,305 --> 00:25:36,089 >> Chris Dechter: Oh I. 609 00:25:36,217 --> 00:25:37,545 >> Larry Darling: It's a learning uh don't make. 610 00:25:37,625 --> 00:25:40,481 >> Justin Rexing: I don't make a hundred mistakes when I design something wrong. I just make 611 00:25:40,513 --> 00:25:41,085 one. 612 00:25:41,745 --> 00:25:44,649 >> Chris Dechter: So you're saying you don't make the same mistake a hundred times. You make a 613 00:25:44,657 --> 00:25:46,649 hundred different mistakes every time? 614 00:25:46,697 --> 00:25:48,165 >> Justin Rexing: Yeah. Hell yeah. 615 00:25:48,985 --> 00:25:50,449 >> Marc Cholewczynski: Failure, fail. 616 00:25:50,577 --> 00:25:53,313 >> Justin Rexing: Exactly. First attempt in and there'lear there's not of 617 00:25:53,329 --> 00:25:56,265 an impact across the university. When 618 00:25:56,345 --> 00:25:59,345 one product fails a promise isn't delivered 619 00:25:59,385 --> 00:26:02,231 from that manufacturer. It's like yeah, we're not buying that shit again. 620 00:26:02,263 --> 00:26:04,943 Move on to room number two. But you only have one them and try something 621 00:26:04,959 --> 00:26:05,447 new. 622 00:26:05,591 --> 00:26:06,807 >> Jamie Rinehart: This is where I found it really. 623 00:26:06,831 --> 00:26:09,567 >> Justin Rexing: L. You don't have any standards. Everything ends up in the other 624 00:26:09,591 --> 00:26:09,895 bucket. 625 00:26:09,935 --> 00:26:12,663 >> Marc Cholewczynski: That way side of 626 00:26:12,679 --> 00:26:13,847 that legacy. 627 00:26:14,031 --> 00:26:14,755 >> Justin Rexing: But 628 00:26:16,895 --> 00:26:19,275 your mistakes are easily forgotten 629 00:26:20,095 --> 00:26:21,143 because they're everywhere. 630 00:26:21,199 --> 00:26:24,167 >> Marc Cholewczynski: Are they? Or are you constantly reminded them every single day because you cannot keep that 631 00:26:24,191 --> 00:26:24,775 room moving. 632 00:26:24,855 --> 00:26:27,091 >> Chris Dechter: We walk down a hall eight Mistake, mistake, mistake. 633 00:26:27,163 --> 00:26:29,563 >> Justin Rexing: O. Ah, well you know that's looking. 634 00:26:29,579 --> 00:26:31,735 >> Jamie Rinehart: At a student work workers Mistake, mistake. 635 00:26:32,435 --> 00:26:33,147 >> Marc Cholewczynski: Yeah. 636 00:26:33,291 --> 00:26:33,819 >> Chris Dechter: There's. 637 00:26:33,907 --> 00:26:36,859 >> Marc Cholewczynski: We have deployment lawp that we know they weren't 638 00:26:36,907 --> 00:26:39,835 the way it needed to be in day one but we had to start somewhere. 639 00:26:39,875 --> 00:26:41,179 You got to jump in. 640 00:26:41,347 --> 00:26:44,299 >> Justin Rexing: I think you blame the budget like well I couldn't afford this thing that 641 00:26:44,307 --> 00:26:47,203 I wanted so we went with this other thing. So it sucks. So we're not gonna buy 642 00:26:47,219 --> 00:26:50,147 that again. But they got to deal with it because they didn't have the money to 643 00:26:50,171 --> 00:26:51,355 buy what we recommended. 644 00:26:51,435 --> 00:26:52,123 >> Jamie Rinehart: Yeah. 645 00:26:52,299 --> 00:26:55,227 >> Larry Darling: Justin, you is it responsible for service? Is 646 00:26:55,251 --> 00:26:55,531 it? 647 00:26:55,603 --> 00:26:55,947 >> Justin Rexing: Yeah. 648 00:26:56,011 --> 00:26:56,299 >> Chris Dechter: Yeah. 649 00:26:56,347 --> 00:26:57,095 >> Justin Rexing: Oh yeah. 650 00:26:57,425 --> 00:27:00,081 >> Larry Darling: Because that's the way you make your service department 651 00:27:00,153 --> 00:27:00,825 really angry. 652 00:27:00,865 --> 00:27:01,601 >> Justin Rexing: We know. 653 00:27:01,753 --> 00:27:04,481 >> Marc Cholewczynski: Keep them gainfully employed. It's different. It's all about perspective. 654 00:27:04,513 --> 00:27:07,473 >> Justin Rexing: Our control systems are Cis, Crestron, Kramer, 655 00:27:07,529 --> 00:27:08,365 Extron. 656 00:27:08,410 --> 00:27:10,321 >> Jamie Rinehart: Uh, what's wrong with that? 657 00:27:10,513 --> 00:27:13,489 >> Justin Rexing: We have no problem here. Zoom, 658 00:27:13,657 --> 00:27:15,525 iPad Things, AMX. 659 00:27:18,185 --> 00:27:20,969 >> Marc Cholewczynski: It'S all relev. I mean, I mean what services are those 660 00:27:21,017 --> 00:27:22,257 brands delivered? 661 00:27:22,401 --> 00:27:23,925 >> Chris Dechter: Justin, you don't have amx? 662 00:27:24,405 --> 00:27:25,077 >> Justin Rexing: No. 663 00:27:25,221 --> 00:27:26,665 >> Chris Dechter: So you're saying there's room? 664 00:27:27,645 --> 00:27:29,997 >> Justin Rexing: Hey, you gave me an idea. Hold 665 00:27:30,021 --> 00:27:32,197 onn go 666 00:27:32,301 --> 00:27:33,065 toorrow. 667 00:27:33,405 --> 00:27:36,381 >> Jamie Rinehart: I've also kind of given up on that. That infrastructure 668 00:27:36,413 --> 00:27:39,333 that like I don't care if I have all these products anymore. I just 669 00:27:39,349 --> 00:27:42,317 don't care anymore. Because if uh, I'm trying to 670 00:27:42,341 --> 00:27:43,349 grow my staff too. 671 00:27:43,397 --> 00:27:46,277 This says. Okay, if you're gonna go work for an integrator, guess you're gonna see 672 00:27:46,341 --> 00:27:49,205 anyway. Yeah, you're gonna see all of it anyway. And if you understand 673 00:27:49,245 --> 00:27:51,621 how it all works, let's roll it. 674 00:27:51,773 --> 00:27:52,309 >> Chris Dechter: Will you? 675 00:27:52,357 --> 00:27:55,085 >> Jamie Rinehart: Ok look in premise but 676 00:27:55,245 --> 00:27:58,189 you know I'm buying a lot of the main manufacturers. I, you 677 00:27:58,197 --> 00:28:01,053 know, I'm not running a whole lot of homegrown Raspberry PI stuff. I think 678 00:28:01,069 --> 00:28:02,597 it's cool. We're just not doing it. 679 00:28:02,621 --> 00:28:04,949 >> Marc Cholewczynski: There you go Justin. Raspberry PI control buddy. 680 00:28:04,997 --> 00:28:07,865 >> Chris Dechter: Homegrown just like GR Ma. 681 00:28:08,405 --> 00:28:11,373 >> Justin Rexing: I mean we're not sociopath here. So it's. 682 00:28:11,509 --> 00:28:14,397 >> Jamie Rinehart: I do like the idea that I can focus on. Look, 683 00:28:14,461 --> 00:28:17,453 I'm going to do video over IP and I need it to be under 684 00:28:17,469 --> 00:28:20,317 a gig and I need it to be able to do control over 685 00:28:20,341 --> 00:28:22,899 it and something else, right? And now I have this 686 00:28:22,947 --> 00:28:25,695 parameter and I don't care what box I get. 687 00:28:26,155 --> 00:28:28,731 Does it have an API? Can I control it easily from 688 00:28:28,763 --> 00:28:31,427 whatever system I want to use? And let's roll with it. Same with 689 00:28:31,451 --> 00:28:34,387 dsps. Uh, does it 690 00:28:34,411 --> 00:28:36,707 fit my parameter standard? Parameter 691 00:28:36,771 --> 00:28:39,139 standard. Not uh, the name 692 00:28:39,227 --> 00:28:42,115 brand standard. And I think that's where some people 693 00:28:42,195 --> 00:28:45,083 hung up like it's got to be nvx. It has to 694 00:28:45,099 --> 00:28:47,787 be nav. It has to be qis. 695 00:28:47,931 --> 00:28:48,307 Why? 696 00:28:48,371 --> 00:28:49,295 >> Justin Rexing: No it doesn't. 697 00:28:52,575 --> 00:28:54,991 Expand your mind. Learn more 698 00:28:55,063 --> 00:28:57,983 shit, right? Get more educated on what's 699 00:28:57,999 --> 00:28:58,583 out there. 700 00:28:58,679 --> 00:28:59,875 >> Marc Cholewczynski: Learn more shit. 701 00:29:00,535 --> 00:29:03,527 >> Larry Darling: We've been talking about cloud management and how there's not 702 00:29:03,551 --> 00:29:06,111 that single pane of glass. So by 703 00:29:06,143 --> 00:29:08,855 getting by, not standardizing on 704 00:29:08,935 --> 00:29:11,735 one logo on all these systems, you're 705 00:29:11,775 --> 00:29:14,711 opening yourself up to where until there is that 706 00:29:14,743 --> 00:29:17,641 single pane of glass, support becomes a little 707 00:29:17,673 --> 00:29:19,953 more challenging because you've got all these different systems. 708 00:29:20,009 --> 00:29:22,577 >> Justin Rexing: I'm not buying all the same product from a 709 00:29:22,601 --> 00:29:25,513 manufacturer just to have a single pane of glass. That's not going to 710 00:29:25,529 --> 00:29:25,849 happen. 711 00:29:25,937 --> 00:29:28,929 >> Chris Dechter: Here's the joke of it. Even if you're 100% in on an ecosystem they still don't 712 00:29:28,937 --> 00:29:30,245 have glass. 713 00:29:30,705 --> 00:29:33,641 >> Jamie Rinehart: That's been my challenge when we get to that 714 00:29:33,713 --> 00:29:36,425 support of a single paninted glass, uh, across the board 715 00:29:36,465 --> 00:29:39,225 anyway. And right now we're employing the spreadsheet 716 00:29:39,265 --> 00:29:41,553 with hyperlinks protocol. Right. 717 00:29:41,609 --> 00:29:44,313 >> Chris Dechter: That's the universal control universal monitoring system. 718 00:29:44,369 --> 00:29:47,061 >> Jamie Rinehart: Well, single pane of glass right there. But you're 719 00:29:47,093 --> 00:29:50,013 right. However, if it fits my parameter, if 720 00:29:50,029 --> 00:29:52,869 it does its job on a daily basis and has an API, 721 00:29:53,037 --> 00:29:55,917 then in theory, like we were talking about in that 722 00:29:55,941 --> 00:29:58,545 one in that show that we did was that 723 00:29:58,925 --> 00:30:01,837 somebody could write those hooks. You could 724 00:30:01,901 --> 00:30:04,877 hire if you so desired, a full time programmer that's going to 725 00:30:04,901 --> 00:30:07,701 make that hook for you. I'm not in that 726 00:30:07,733 --> 00:30:10,661 world right now. Which is what we talked about in that whole show. So go 727 00:30:10,693 --> 00:30:13,065 listen to that folks again. We'll wait. 728 00:30:13,605 --> 00:30:14,421 >> Marc Cholewczynski: Now we're back. 729 00:30:14,533 --> 00:30:16,069 >> Chris Dechter: And we're back and. 730 00:30:16,117 --> 00:30:19,085 >> Jamie Rinehart: But that's. That's part of the reason I make some of that and I'm just. 731 00:30:19,125 --> 00:30:21,145 That's. That's tomorrow Jamie's 732 00:30:21,170 --> 00:30:23,701 uh, hiccups'future 733 00:30:23,733 --> 00:30:26,717 Jamie that problem. Yeah. Today's Jamie is just make 734 00:30:26,741 --> 00:30:29,597 sure this stuff's all moving and working. Um, and how do I 735 00:30:29,621 --> 00:30:30,825 make that eas? 736 00:30:31,650 --> 00:30:31,870 >> Marc Cholewczynski: Mhm. 737 00:30:31,870 --> 00:30:34,717 >> Larry Darling: But defining tomorrow's standards is kind of 738 00:30:34,741 --> 00:30:36,345 tomorrow's Jamie's issue. 739 00:30:36,765 --> 00:30:37,645 >> Marc Cholewczynski: Be held accountable. 740 00:30:37,725 --> 00:30:38,720 >> Justin Rexing: Do that the day. 741 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:41,553 >> Chris Dechter: Uh, yeah but Larry, he's going to blame past Jamie and current 742 00:30:41,609 --> 00:30:42,913 Jamie doesn't have to deal with that. 743 00:30:42,969 --> 00:30:45,577 >> Jamie Rinehart: Look, future Jamie is an a hole and is going to get 744 00:30:45,601 --> 00:30:46,205 fired. 745 00:30:47,465 --> 00:30:50,417 >> Marc Cholewczynski: But present based on the actions of previous Jamie. 746 00:30:50,441 --> 00:30:50,721 Yes. 747 00:30:50,793 --> 00:30:53,393 >> Justin Rexing: How is that different from past Jamie? Present J. 748 00:30:53,449 --> 00:30:56,445 >> Chris Dechter: Past Jamie keeps getting promoted. So what's happening? 749 00:30:56,785 --> 00:30:58,833 >> Jamie Rinehart: Well, yeah, later Jamie just has to. 750 00:30:58,849 --> 00:31:00,553 >> Chris Dechter: Clean up after past Jamie. 751 00:31:00,729 --> 00:31:03,601 >> Jamie Rinehart: Leaving all this for future J check somebody finds 752 00:31:03,633 --> 00:31:04,257 you. 753 00:31:04,441 --> 00:31:06,165 >> Justin Rexing: Maybe we are sociopath. 754 00:31:06,505 --> 00:31:08,760 >> Marc Cholewczynski: We are. Um. 755 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:09,153 >> Jamie Rinehart: I don't know. 756 00:31:09,209 --> 00:31:11,965 >> Chris Dechter: Larry, did answer any of your questions? Did we get anywhere? 757 00:31:13,225 --> 00:31:13,849 >> Larry Darling: Not at one. 758 00:31:13,897 --> 00:31:16,441 >> Marc Cholewczynski: I still have question about this one time funds thing. But I 759 00:31:16,513 --> 00:31:18,369 deferred that whole question to um, another time. 760 00:31:18,457 --> 00:31:21,361 >> Chris Dechter: Well so Larry, I guess to that are they. Are they one time funds 761 00:31:21,393 --> 00:31:24,125 or is this end magic end of year monies. 762 00:31:24,465 --> 00:31:26,025 >> Larry Darling: Magic end of year money. 763 00:31:26,185 --> 00:31:29,129 >> Jamie Rinehart: I am impressed that you know by March we get ours like 764 00:31:29,217 --> 00:31:31,721 hey it's May 5th. You have to spein this by 765 00:31:31,793 --> 00:31:32,765 May 30th. 766 00:31:33,185 --> 00:31:33,633 >> Justin Rexing: Yeah. 767 00:31:33,689 --> 00:31:34,765 >> Larry Darling: That's what we get. 768 00:31:35,225 --> 00:31:38,113 >> Jamie Rinehart: So we have to pre pep. That's why my. My list is 769 00:31:38,129 --> 00:31:40,937 usually populated with the kit of parts 770 00:31:41,041 --> 00:31:43,965 how buy as many as those as I possibly can. 771 00:31:45,185 --> 00:31:48,185 >> Larry Darling: Well and when you get it at that point it's not your kit of parts. It's 772 00:31:48,225 --> 00:31:51,049 kid of what's available right now. Like what can 773 00:31:51,097 --> 00:31:52,969 actually be shipped and received in time. 774 00:31:53,057 --> 00:31:56,057 >> Jamie Rinehart: Look, uh, I don't know what company you're buying from over the last 775 00:31:56,121 --> 00:31:58,917 five or six years, but come 776 00:31:58,941 --> 00:31:59,997 on with. 777 00:32:00,021 --> 00:32:03,013 >> Justin Rexing: Your end of your money, do you have to receive it by like end of 778 00:32:03,029 --> 00:32:03,645 fiscal year? 779 00:32:03,725 --> 00:32:04,325 >> Larry Darling: End year? 780 00:32:04,365 --> 00:32:06,981 >> Chris Dechter: Yeah, received 781 00:32:07,053 --> 00:32:08,437 and installed. 782 00:32:08,621 --> 00:32:11,573 >> Marc Cholewczynski: Because unless you're mailing cash 783 00:32:11,629 --> 00:32:14,517 to a manufactureere which that's my large, 784 00:32:14,621 --> 00:32:17,265 you're not doing that. Yeah, yeah. So 785 00:32:18,085 --> 00:32:20,309 fundss 786 00:32:20,477 --> 00:32:23,437 like the accounting office does not like carrying 787 00:32:23,461 --> 00:32:26,157 that over. They like to close out their books and be clean, but who 788 00:32:26,181 --> 00:32:29,163 cares'not? Saying it's impossible. That's just frowned 789 00:32:29,179 --> 00:32:29,867 upon. 790 00:32:30,051 --> 00:32:33,027 >> Chris Dechter: You need them on your side so when you make a major cock up like 791 00:32:33,051 --> 00:32:36,035 I did today on a previous project, they 792 00:32:36,035 --> 00:32:36,771 don't come after me. 793 00:32:36,803 --> 00:32:37,091 >> Marc Cholewczynski: So. 794 00:32:37,163 --> 00:32:38,219 >> Jamie Rinehart: Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. 795 00:32:38,347 --> 00:32:40,715 >> Chris Dechter: It was a invoicing thing and blah blah, blah, blah blah. 796 00:32:40,755 --> 00:32:42,891 >> Jamie Rinehart: And so you were doing it wrong. 797 00:32:43,043 --> 00:32:45,995 >> Chris Dechter: I was doing it wrong because I literally 798 00:32:46,035 --> 00:32:48,851 forgot about a change order and whoops. But 799 00:32:48,963 --> 00:32:50,147 it was like five grams. 800 00:32:50,331 --> 00:32:53,027 >> Justin Rexing: But um, uh, that's a 801 00:32:53,131 --> 00:32:54,915 five grand. That's like a whole classroom here. 802 00:32:54,995 --> 00:32:56,375 >> Chris Dechter: That's like three classrooms. 803 00:32:56,795 --> 00:32:59,340 >> Jamie Rinehart: That's my paycheck for a five year employee. 804 00:32:59,340 --> 00:33:02,251 >> Chris Dechter: M. Yeah. No, so the way it works at UW 805 00:33:02,283 --> 00:33:05,211 and the same thing is people get notification of 806 00:33:05,243 --> 00:33:08,171 what uh, monies are available in about like 807 00:33:08,203 --> 00:33:11,139 the April, May ish timeline. Which means they have 808 00:33:11,187 --> 00:33:14,035 about a month and my first couple of years 809 00:33:14,075 --> 00:33:16,483 there. They would then reach out to me at that 810 00:33:16,539 --> 00:33:19,539 point and I would tell them like there'no way we could pull off one or 811 00:33:19,547 --> 00:33:22,387 two of these. There's no way you can have this done. So departments have 812 00:33:22,411 --> 00:33:24,547 learned and unfortunately they are now contacting me in 813 00:33:24,611 --> 00:33:27,461 December to see what things are gonna cost based on 814 00:33:27,493 --> 00:33:30,325 end of year. Which means I do a lot of kind of prep work and 815 00:33:30,365 --> 00:33:32,981 design work for spaces that probably will never exist. 816 00:33:33,053 --> 00:33:36,013 Annoyingly, yes. And a lot of those are common kid of parts. It's 817 00:33:36,029 --> 00:33:38,829 the same. Oh, we need a conference room. Oh, we need a classroom. I can give them 818 00:33:38,877 --> 00:33:41,637 numbers on that right now. But some of them 819 00:33:41,661 --> 00:33:44,125 are specialized or some of them are unique or have different 820 00:33:44,165 --> 00:33:47,093 circumstances around it, but they don't know if these are real. In fact, I 821 00:33:47,109 --> 00:33:50,077 had two meetings on these today at various places. I 822 00:33:50,101 --> 00:33:53,037 give about 50, 50 shot. Those never exist, but we 823 00:33:53,061 --> 00:33:55,917 have to kind of still put numbers together so when they do come back in May, we 824 00:33:55,941 --> 00:33:58,883 can potentially move on. Some of which is annoying. So 825 00:33:59,059 --> 00:34:02,043 yeah, it is a process. But to Larry's 826 00:34:02,059 --> 00:34:04,683 point. I'm still working within my 827 00:34:04,779 --> 00:34:07,491 known kit of parts, my 828 00:34:07,523 --> 00:34:10,443 known pile o equipment. Um, so 829 00:34:10,459 --> 00:34:12,395 it's pretty much the same stuff over and over. 830 00:34:12,435 --> 00:34:13,459 >> Justin Rexing: But y. 831 00:34:13,547 --> 00:34:16,415 >> Chris Dechter: But I do it like Justin, I'll change that stuff of a drop of a hat. 832 00:34:17,155 --> 00:34:18,011 >> Justin Rexing: I'll give a shit. 833 00:34:18,083 --> 00:34:19,171 >> Chris Dechter: I don't like that camera. Bo. 834 00:34:19,243 --> 00:34:19,555 >> Justin Rexing: Something new. 835 00:34:19,595 --> 00:34:21,715 >> Marc Cholewczynski: This one gone. Moving for. 836 00:34:21,875 --> 00:34:24,771 >> Chris Dechter: Because I agree to some extent with Justin's philosophy 837 00:34:24,803 --> 00:34:27,763 of like, hey guys, we're changing to a different model camerause. That one pissed me 838 00:34:27,779 --> 00:34:30,617 off. So all of a sudden it's this camera. So for example, I 839 00:34:30,641 --> 00:34:33,145 installed five rooms with a particular ceiling 840 00:34:33,185 --> 00:34:36,009 microphone array, which turned out to be a bit of a pain in the butt. 841 00:34:36,177 --> 00:34:38,657 So I'm going to a different one because I'm not going back to that one. 842 00:34:38,681 --> 00:34:41,005 >> Jamie Rinehart: So I do it all the time. And then somebody 843 00:34:41,625 --> 00:34:44,441 calls me, says, why did she stop buying her stuff? 844 00:34:44,473 --> 00:34:46,417 Well, mostly because it sucks. Uh, stop working. 845 00:34:46,441 --> 00:34:47,085 >> Marc Cholewczynski: Yeah. 846 00:34:48,065 --> 00:34:50,849 >> Larry Darling: And I'm okay with all that, like, minor incidental stuff. 847 00:34:50,897 --> 00:34:53,337 Cameras, speakers, projectors. Sound like all 848 00:34:53,361 --> 00:34:55,285 that. You just. 849 00:34:55,625 --> 00:34:56,313 >> Jamie Rinehart: Entire class. 850 00:34:56,369 --> 00:34:57,525 >> Chris Dechter: What's left, Larry? 851 00:34:58,675 --> 00:35:01,531 >> Marc Cholewczynski: So everything is left is like the network switch in 852 00:35:01,563 --> 00:35:03,803 the end point is all we're talking about at this point. 853 00:35:03,979 --> 00:35:04,775 Okay. 854 00:35:05,395 --> 00:35:06,135 >> Jamie Rinehart: Control. 855 00:35:06,795 --> 00:35:09,579 >> Justin Rexing: They concerned about the D. 856 00:35:09,707 --> 00:35:10,075 I can. 857 00:35:10,115 --> 00:35:11,515 >> Larry Darling: Care about control systems. 858 00:35:11,635 --> 00:35:12,027 >> Marc Cholewczynski: Yeah. 859 00:35:12,091 --> 00:35:15,019 >> Larry Darling: What's in your control systems? Audio switching. Those are 860 00:35:15,027 --> 00:35:15,435 the big ones. 861 00:35:15,475 --> 00:35:16,523 >> Marc Cholewczynski: Tell the data story. 862 00:35:16,590 --> 00:35:18,995 >> Justin Rexing: Uh, where alternate 863 00:35:19,035 --> 00:35:21,483 manufacturers for like just every yeary. 864 00:35:21,499 --> 00:35:21,867 >> Chris Dechter: We're in. 865 00:35:21,931 --> 00:35:24,781 >> Marc Cholewczynski: We're in Extron or whatever year. Yeah, yeah, 866 00:35:24,893 --> 00:35:25,189 fine. 867 00:35:25,237 --> 00:35:26,877 >> Chris Dechter: Or just don't buy that stuff. Just. 868 00:35:26,901 --> 00:35:29,181 >> Marc Cholewczynski: Yeah, just. Now you're talking teams room. Let's go. 869 00:35:29,333 --> 00:35:30,109 >> Jamie Rinehart: Remote control. 870 00:35:30,157 --> 00:35:33,077 >> Chris Dechter: Let's do it. Yeah, here's. So I use 871 00:35:33,101 --> 00:35:35,973 that phrase. I use that phrase on campus enough that my team now knows 872 00:35:35,989 --> 00:35:38,773 it. It's like, I'll just give them, uh, an HDMI wall plate and a 873 00:35:38,789 --> 00:35:41,541 remote and we'll never hear from them again. Because for a lot of people, 874 00:35:41,613 --> 00:35:44,453 that's all they need. They don't need the full touch panel control system, all that 875 00:35:44,469 --> 00:35:47,397 stuff for their basic room, wall plate and remote. 876 00:35:47,461 --> 00:35:48,405 It's amazing. 877 00:35:48,565 --> 00:35:51,477 >> Marc Cholewczynski: I a gu that experience should be reflected in 878 00:35:51,501 --> 00:35:52,205 one of your standards. 879 00:35:52,245 --> 00:35:54,345 >> Jamie Rinehart: Some it is. It's 880 00:35:55,245 --> 00:35:57,979 under some small schools that I was 881 00:35:58,027 --> 00:36:00,979 explaining that very. That very idea. And they go, 882 00:36:01,067 --> 00:36:03,723 we're way more sophisticated here. It's touch 883 00:36:03,779 --> 00:36:06,747 panels everywhere. I'm like, cool. That doesn't mean 884 00:36:06,771 --> 00:36:07,975 you're sophisticated. 885 00:36:09,115 --> 00:36:10,907 >> Marc Cholewczynski: Means you gluttons for punishing money. 886 00:36:10,971 --> 00:36:11,560 >> Chris Dechter: Probably. 887 00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,475 >> Jamie Rinehart: Uh, now, to be fair, I used to think the same thing, 888 00:36:14,515 --> 00:36:15,227 but not. 889 00:36:15,371 --> 00:36:18,323 >> Marc Cholewczynski: It'S again, one size does not 890 00:36:18,339 --> 00:36:21,335 necessarily fit all. If you have a very small footprint, maybe 891 00:36:21,735 --> 00:36:23,915 sub 100 rooms, you have 892 00:36:25,055 --> 00:36:28,031 nice endowment money or whatever it is that's keeping you afloat, then 893 00:36:28,063 --> 00:36:30,847 go ahead and put that 12 inch touch panel in 894 00:36:30,871 --> 00:36:32,623 every small huddle space. 895 00:36:32,759 --> 00:36:35,355 >> Chris Dechter: Well, what are we on a budget here? 896 00:36:37,215 --> 00:36:39,991 15 UL wide, 21 by 9, 24 inch 897 00:36:40,063 --> 00:36:42,783 ultra wides are fantastic. And then I put all the 898 00:36:42,799 --> 00:36:43,663 UCI in the middle. 899 00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:45,231 >> Justin Rexing: More buttons the better. 900 00:36:45,383 --> 00:36:47,415 >> Marc Cholewczynski: Just adds all around the of that. 901 00:36:47,455 --> 00:36:50,251 >> Larry Darling: It's like I by 3 slide in the 21 by 9 902 00:36:50,283 --> 00:36:51,135 touchs. 903 00:36:53,115 --> 00:36:53,579 >> Chris Dechter: Brought to. 904 00:36:53,587 --> 00:36:56,427 >> Justin Rexing: You by Pepsi Page flips on my 905 00:36:56,451 --> 00:36:59,411 touch panel. Every page show it up at 906 00:36:59,443 --> 00:36:59,707 once. 907 00:36:59,771 --> 00:37:02,163 >> Chris Dechter: So every button available at all times. 908 00:37:02,299 --> 00:37:04,331 >> Larry Darling: You never know, but they cycle through. 909 00:37:04,443 --> 00:37:07,131 >> Jamie Rinehart: I want the airplane footage. 910 00:37:07,243 --> 00:37:09,947 >> Justin Rexing: Yeah, give me the airplane. I want all that 911 00:37:10,011 --> 00:37:12,095 right, right there. 912 00:37:13,010 --> 00:37:15,115 >> Marc Cholewczynski: Um, new standard frame. There you go, Larry. 913 00:37:15,195 --> 00:37:17,015 >> Justin Rexing: The chapter freeze next to mute. 914 00:37:17,155 --> 00:37:18,035 >> Jamie Rinehart: That's it. 915 00:37:21,575 --> 00:37:23,871 Cockpit control system now, I mean, whack. 916 00:37:23,903 --> 00:37:26,903 >> Chris Dechter: A most done since you mentioned projector freeze. That's one of 917 00:37:26,919 --> 00:37:29,455 those buttons that I eliminated years ago because who needs 918 00:37:29,495 --> 00:37:32,303 that? I've had one instructor who was now 919 00:37:32,359 --> 00:37:35,135 livid that that's not on the touch billl room. We had to go in and he kept 920 00:37:35,175 --> 00:37:37,055 bringing it up. We had to go in and add it like on the advanced. 921 00:37:37,095 --> 00:37:39,795 >> Marc Cholewczynski: I remember that when that was like a source of debate with 922 00:37:40,535 --> 00:37:43,379 the Chrsttron folks and their module that like the 923 00:37:43,387 --> 00:37:46,219 freeze is not there anymore. Like bring it back. And so it was. 924 00:37:46,387 --> 00:37:49,355 >> Chris Dechter: It's one of those things. And that's fine. I mean, that's the way he wants to teach. We had 925 00:37:49,395 --> 00:37:52,211 blank. We had power off and all that. But no, he needs freeze. I'm like, all right, 926 00:37:52,243 --> 00:37:53,083 fine, whatever. 927 00:37:53,219 --> 00:37:55,227 >> Marc Cholewczynski: I get the use case. I've seen it. 928 00:37:55,371 --> 00:37:57,771 >> Justin Rexing: I don't know. Just tell your students to take a picture of it and then just 929 00:37:57,803 --> 00:37:58,375 look. 930 00:37:59,435 --> 00:38:01,979 >> Marc Cholewczynski: We'Re notn to turn a bre around. Just use your phone. What are we 931 00:38:01,987 --> 00:38:02,535 doing? 932 00:38:03,795 --> 00:38:06,590 >> Chris Dechter: Email you all the files. You figure it out. Yeah, m. 933 00:38:06,683 --> 00:38:07,731 All right, all right. 934 00:38:07,763 --> 00:38:10,723 Any last thoughts on, uh, Larry needing to updated standards? Because stuff 935 00:38:10,739 --> 00:38:11,775 isn't shipping yet. 936 00:38:12,325 --> 00:38:12,949 >> Marc Cholewczynski: Get it larn? 937 00:38:12,997 --> 00:38:13,565 >> Larry Darling: It's shipping. 938 00:38:13,605 --> 00:38:16,365 >> Marc Cholewczynski: It's just bo like be bold 939 00:38:16,525 --> 00:38:17,133 years ago. 940 00:38:17,229 --> 00:38:19,269 >> Justin Rexing: Why are we having this car? Are we like. 941 00:38:19,357 --> 00:38:21,021 >> Larry Darling: I don't know where the shipping came from. 942 00:38:21,053 --> 00:38:23,965 >> Chris Dechter: But you just said because you're basically, you're specing 943 00:38:24,005 --> 00:38:24,705 vapor. 944 00:38:27,525 --> 00:38:30,205 >> Larry Darling: Yeah, I do things that I have physically 945 00:38:30,285 --> 00:38:32,069 tested and I know work. 946 00:38:32,237 --> 00:38:35,117 >> Chris Dechter: So this is just more your frustration that somebody announced something that's not 947 00:38:35,141 --> 00:38:35,421 yet. 948 00:38:35,493 --> 00:38:38,325 >> Larry Darling: Available to you and things that I just haven't had time 949 00:38:38,365 --> 00:38:39,037 to like dig. 950 00:38:39,101 --> 00:38:41,989 >> Chris Dechter: Into oh, by the way when you test things because I got burnt by this 951 00:38:42,037 --> 00:38:44,863 recently. The test benching. The test benching. The 952 00:38:44,919 --> 00:38:47,715 testing on the test bench is not always sufficient. 953 00:38:48,495 --> 00:38:51,463 I m had to put it more show about testing than a 954 00:38:51,479 --> 00:38:52,655 more complex room to find problems. 955 00:38:52,695 --> 00:38:55,639 >> Justin Rexing: Deep dive into testing. When do you test something and when do 956 00:38:55,647 --> 00:38:57,183 you not coming? 957 00:38:57,279 --> 00:38:59,223 >> Chris Dechter: I'm as soon I'm installing it on. 958 00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:01,791 >> Justin Rexing: Thise how we do it 959 00:39:01,903 --> 00:39:04,775 replacing a HDMI switcher 960 00:39:04,815 --> 00:39:07,415 with another one and it's the same exact 961 00:39:07,455 --> 00:39:09,975 functionality, maybe a different brand. Are you testing every 962 00:39:10,015 --> 00:39:12,883 HDMI switcher or like, what are you. What's your 963 00:39:12,979 --> 00:39:14,419 threshold of testing? 964 00:39:14,587 --> 00:39:15,691 >> Jamie Rinehart: Save it for the show. 965 00:39:15,763 --> 00:39:16,331 >> Marc Cholewczynski: Save it for. 966 00:39:16,403 --> 00:39:17,947 >> Justin Rexing: Exactly. Isn't that a good. 967 00:39:18,051 --> 00:39:20,787 >> Chris Dechter: That would be all right. That's a good topic. We'll add that 968 00:39:20,891 --> 00:39:23,763 top right? I'm gonna hit this 969 00:39:23,779 --> 00:39:24,731 button and we're gonna shut up. 970 00:39:24,763 --> 00:39:27,347 >> Marc Cholewczynski: Good luck, Larry. We spe that money. Go get it. 971 00:39:27,491 --> 00:39:28,883 So do way. 972 00:39:28,979 --> 00:39:31,787 >> Chris Dechter: We'll be back next month with a topic of something or other. 973 00:39:31,811 --> 00:39:33,015 Probably testuces. 974 00:39:35,835 --> 00:39:38,505 Thanks for putting up with yet another episode of AV 975 00:39:38,545 --> 00:39:41,481 SuperFend on topic. 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