1 00:00:03,202 --> 00:00:04,692 welcome to hacking Your ADHD. 2 00:00:04,832 --> 00:00:07,072 I'm your host, William Curb and I have ADHD. 3 00:00:07,282 --> 00:00:10,492 On this podcast, I dig into the tools, tactics, and best practices to 4 00:00:10,492 --> 00:00:12,382 help you work with your ADHD brain. 5 00:00:12,922 --> 00:00:16,252 And today I'm joined by Sky Waterson for our research recap series. 6 00:00:16,672 --> 00:00:19,432 In this series, we take a look at a single research paper and dive 7 00:00:19,432 --> 00:00:23,932 into what the paper says, how it was conducted, and try and find out or try 8 00:00:23,932 --> 00:00:25,702 and find any practical take takeaways. 9 00:00:25,732 --> 00:00:27,742 In this episode, we're going to be discussing a paper called. 10 00:00:28,222 --> 00:00:31,402 Shifting the focus, exploring video accessibility strategies and 11 00:00:31,402 --> 00:00:33,062 challenges for people with ADHD. 12 00:00:33,532 --> 00:00:38,452 So I know that sounds a little bit out there, and actually, honestly, this, 13 00:00:38,452 --> 00:00:39,802 this paper is a bit different here. 14 00:00:39,802 --> 00:00:42,782 So, um, how about we jump into, uh, what this paper is about? 15 00:00:43,251 --> 00:00:44,931 Yeah, no, I'd love to. 16 00:00:44,931 --> 00:00:46,311 It's such an interesting paper. 17 00:00:46,311 --> 00:00:49,971 It's another qualitative paper, so we'll say just upfront, it's not 18 00:00:49,971 --> 00:00:51,561 gonna be generalizable to everybody. 19 00:00:51,561 --> 00:00:55,581 This is 100% about individual's experiences. 20 00:00:55,971 --> 00:00:57,756 But what they wanted to do is they wanted to say. 21 00:00:58,776 --> 00:00:59,286 Okay. 22 00:00:59,286 --> 00:01:02,346 We do a lot more video content than we used to. 23 00:01:02,496 --> 00:01:04,776 It's how a lot of people communicate now. 24 00:01:05,496 --> 00:01:10,866 There's been focuses on accessibility for people who are blind, deaf all those 25 00:01:10,866 --> 00:01:13,356 kinds of things which is really awesome. 26 00:01:13,356 --> 00:01:15,316 But there hasn't been anything on ADHD. 27 00:01:15,816 --> 00:01:19,896 And how do ADHD people take in video content? 28 00:01:20,166 --> 00:01:21,906 What is the frustrating part of it? 29 00:01:21,906 --> 00:01:23,556 What is the not frustrating part of it? 30 00:01:23,556 --> 00:01:28,086 So maybe before we even jump into it, you wanna take a minute and just go. 31 00:01:28,626 --> 00:01:30,366 What do I like and hate about videos? 32 00:01:30,366 --> 00:01:34,686 And then see if everyone else is on the same page based on this paper. 33 00:01:35,286 --> 00:01:39,631 Yeah, that was one of the more interesting things about this paper was just this. 34 00:01:42,621 --> 00:01:45,141 That this is not something I've typically thought about, but is 35 00:01:45,141 --> 00:01:50,181 something that definitely affects on how I interact with certain Media. 36 00:01:51,861 --> 00:01:56,451 Because like oftentimes almost everything that I watch or listen 37 00:01:56,451 --> 00:01:58,131 to, I usually speed up because 38 00:02:00,231 --> 00:02:03,471 for me, I will have thoughts in between what they're saying 39 00:02:03,471 --> 00:02:04,611 and then I'll get distracted. 40 00:02:04,611 --> 00:02:07,311 And so if I speed things up, it gives me less of a chance to get 41 00:02:07,311 --> 00:02:08,541 distracted while things are going. 42 00:02:08,585 --> 00:02:09,425 Yeah, seriously. 43 00:02:09,425 --> 00:02:12,755 The only thing I don't speed up is when I turn on something to go to sleep. 44 00:02:13,415 --> 00:02:14,645 That's usually the only time. 45 00:02:15,275 --> 00:02:15,455 So. 46 00:02:16,070 --> 00:02:20,480 Yeah, they, they noticed a few things based on previous research about redundant 47 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:25,700 information, like captions, helping, needing to stop more things like that. 48 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:29,630 And then they went and spoke to 20 participants who 49 00:02:29,630 --> 00:02:31,620 self-identified as having ADHD. 50 00:02:31,640 --> 00:02:37,040 So this was not a diagnostic DSM, they didn't do that at all. 51 00:02:37,070 --> 00:02:39,830 This was people who said that they. 52 00:02:40,220 --> 00:02:43,370 Thought they had ADHD, they also had a couple of other things. 53 00:02:43,700 --> 00:02:45,140 It was very personalized. 54 00:02:45,140 --> 00:02:48,080 These were long form interview content. 55 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:52,310 Shout out to Braun and Clark again, wonderful New Zealand 56 00:02:52,310 --> 00:02:56,510 representation there in terms of how they did this study, but it was 57 00:02:56,510 --> 00:02:58,670 qualitative and, and quite critical. 58 00:02:58,940 --> 00:03:01,550 Um, really trying to be ADHD focused. 59 00:03:02,150 --> 00:03:05,450 Interesting there too, because they also like, because of how 60 00:03:05,450 --> 00:03:07,730 they did, they're like, we're not going to just limit this to ADHD. 61 00:03:07,770 --> 00:03:09,630 ADHD often comes with so many friends. 62 00:03:09,630 --> 00:03:14,510 They were like, we're gonna have ADHD here, but doing this strictly just for 63 00:03:14,510 --> 00:03:18,660 ADHD will be hard, so we're gonna just allow every anything that comes in. 64 00:03:18,660 --> 00:03:19,080 And so they did have. 65 00:03:20,130 --> 00:03:23,760 You With their small sample size, they did have a lot of other 66 00:03:24,030 --> 00:03:25,545 things that were coming up there. 67 00:03:25,845 --> 00:03:26,264 Yeah. 68 00:03:26,294 --> 00:03:26,594 Yeah. 69 00:03:26,594 --> 00:03:33,014 Autism, anxiety, PTSD, bipolar, OCD, these were all coming in as 70 00:03:33,014 --> 00:03:35,204 well when they spoke to people. 71 00:03:35,264 --> 00:03:40,124 And they also had, um, you know, more women than men, which was, 72 00:03:40,124 --> 00:03:44,594 you know, unusual, although you know, not so much now. 73 00:03:45,194 --> 00:03:47,744 Um, and so they, and they also had some people who identified as 74 00:03:47,744 --> 00:03:49,064 non-binary, so they were really. 75 00:03:49,869 --> 00:03:54,189 Focusing on qualitative research and bringing in all of these different 76 00:03:54,189 --> 00:03:56,674 viewpoints to have this discussion. 77 00:03:57,905 --> 00:03:58,235 Yeah. 78 00:03:58,490 --> 00:04:02,735 So one of the interesting things that this made me think about was, I remember seeing 79 00:04:02,735 --> 00:04:08,915 a some post on social media a while ago saying the real age divide is people who. 80 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:12,380 Think content should be in articles versus people who think 81 00:04:12,500 --> 00:04:13,619 content should be in videos. 82 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:15,520 And my wife and I were like, yeah. 83 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:17,860 There's times where I'm like, why is this a video? 84 00:04:17,860 --> 00:04:20,650 This would be so much easier to interpret if I could just stop it and 85 00:04:20,650 --> 00:04:23,650 just read the stuff I want to read, and I don't have to go back every five 86 00:04:23,650 --> 00:04:25,270 seconds to get the exact thing I need. 87 00:04:25,570 --> 00:04:29,950 I feel like I span that space, there's a couple of things that 88 00:04:29,950 --> 00:04:33,340 they found in terms of the what they found in those interviews. 89 00:04:33,340 --> 00:04:35,320 Number one is frustration. 90 00:04:35,470 --> 00:04:37,870 It was just frustrating for a lot of people. 91 00:04:38,110 --> 00:04:39,970 They felt they were easily distracted. 92 00:04:40,855 --> 00:04:43,945 They felt that it needed to be more engaging for them, or they would 93 00:04:43,945 --> 00:04:46,015 fidget, they would get distracted. 94 00:04:46,015 --> 00:04:48,025 It would be hard for them to stay focused. 95 00:04:48,865 --> 00:04:54,745 They also found if they started they could go down rabbit holes, which I think we all 96 00:04:54,745 --> 00:04:58,135 relate to, you know, video rabbit holes, watching one, then watching another. 97 00:04:58,695 --> 00:05:02,385 Um, they needed help with, uh, sometimes they used videos 98 00:05:02,385 --> 00:05:04,665 tactically as background stimulation. 99 00:05:05,085 --> 00:05:07,035 I 100% do this. 100 00:05:08,145 --> 00:05:11,025 And then, yeah, captions were super helpful. 101 00:05:11,085 --> 00:05:12,555 Was it too slow? 102 00:05:12,945 --> 00:05:14,865 That was another thing that came up a lot. 103 00:05:15,225 --> 00:05:19,185 And then just, you know, wanting it to be a little bit more, they 104 00:05:19,185 --> 00:05:21,165 called it redundant information. 105 00:05:21,165 --> 00:05:26,515 They wanted more like other ways of taking in the content as they were watching it. 106 00:05:27,625 --> 00:05:31,825 This is how I structure my podcast where I'm like do the introduction. 107 00:05:31,825 --> 00:05:33,745 Here's what we're gonna talk about. 108 00:05:33,745 --> 00:05:37,195 We do the podcast, and then afterwards, here's the top tips from the podcast. 109 00:05:37,725 --> 00:05:41,835 I had a friend that was like, this is, that's the the Baptist preacher way of 110 00:05:41,835 --> 00:05:46,395 doing a sermon, and it's really good for reinforcing what you want them to learn. 111 00:05:46,695 --> 00:05:46,904 Yeah. 112 00:05:46,964 --> 00:05:47,234 Yeah. 113 00:05:47,294 --> 00:05:47,864 Tell them. 114 00:05:48,074 --> 00:05:49,694 I think my English teacher used to call it. 115 00:05:49,694 --> 00:05:51,104 Tell them what you are gonna tell them. 116 00:05:51,104 --> 00:05:52,724 Tell them and then tell them what you told them. 117 00:05:54,710 --> 00:05:55,000 Yeah. 118 00:05:55,100 --> 00:05:59,655 And I get why a 62nd TikTok doesn't do that because. 119 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:04,680 It's a even like a seven second one it's like that's, you don't 120 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:05,520 have enough time at that point. 121 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:10,920 But it is one of those things where I know I've been doing the scrolling thing 122 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:14,400 and then think back to the last hour and I'm like, I don't know, remember 123 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:15,720 any of the videos I just watched? 124 00:06:16,100 --> 00:06:17,960 Or I go, oh, I do wanna go look back. 125 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:20,960 And I like, look through my history and I'm like, what? 126 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:24,020 did I watch 37 videos between those two? 127 00:06:24,984 --> 00:06:26,904 it's always, it's always very awkward. 128 00:06:26,934 --> 00:06:29,664 You, it's very humbling when you have a friend and you're trying to, you're 129 00:06:29,664 --> 00:06:32,574 like trying to scroll back to be like, wait, I watched it just before. 130 00:06:32,574 --> 00:06:33,384 I'll go find it. 131 00:06:33,384 --> 00:06:36,114 And then you're scrolling back through all of these videos. 132 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:40,470 It was interesting I think one of the things that really stood out to me that 133 00:06:40,470 --> 00:06:42,900 I understand and I appreciated is like. 134 00:06:43,485 --> 00:06:49,035 With ADHD, one of the things that was really helpful was, okay, if you're gonna 135 00:06:49,305 --> 00:06:54,645 explain a concept, for example, and this isn't always possible we are not all we 136 00:06:54,645 --> 00:06:56,955 don't have unlimited budgets for video. 137 00:06:56,955 --> 00:06:58,280 But if you're gonna explain a concept. 138 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:01,050 Could we have a picture of you explaining the concept? 139 00:07:01,050 --> 00:07:02,790 Could we have a visual of that concept? 140 00:07:03,150 --> 00:07:06,270 If you're going to speak, can we have text? 141 00:07:06,630 --> 00:07:10,560 Can we have text that's not too distracting it's there if we need it. 142 00:07:11,190 --> 00:07:15,060 If you have a long form piece of content, could we have a chapter headings? 143 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:17,820 Could we have those summaries and explanations? 144 00:07:17,820 --> 00:07:24,000 Like you said, it's just thinking about it in terms of, hey, I'm not 145 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:27,420 just gonna sit here and listen to you. 146 00:07:28,860 --> 00:07:32,730 Talk And if I am, it's gonna be 'cause you're in the background and I'm actually 147 00:07:32,730 --> 00:07:34,170 in the middle of cleaning my kitchen. 148 00:07:35,616 --> 00:07:40,876 Yeah, and it is interesting too with some of the ways that I have 149 00:07:40,876 --> 00:07:42,616 seen video platforms trying to. 150 00:07:43,276 --> 00:07:46,516 The things like where it's like we're gonna have a story, but in the top 151 00:07:46,516 --> 00:07:49,006 half of the video it's playing a 152 00:07:49,315 --> 00:07:50,165 Yeah, I've seen 153 00:07:50,170 --> 00:07:50,460 that. 154 00:07:50,566 --> 00:07:53,356 or it's like subway surfer or whatever. 155 00:07:53,356 --> 00:07:53,836 And 156 00:07:56,566 --> 00:08:00,436 you can actually, like there are tools on YouTube to automatically put that in. 157 00:08:00,436 --> 00:08:01,906 So you don't even have to do the gameplay 158 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:03,180 Wow. 159 00:08:03,346 --> 00:08:04,756 just AI generated 160 00:08:04,756 --> 00:08:05,056 and, 161 00:08:06,210 --> 00:08:07,320 it always feels a bit cursed. 162 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:09,840 I'm not gonna lie, but maybe it's helpful. 163 00:08:12,301 --> 00:08:15,151 The, ones that always get me, like I have something that's oh, it's showing, 164 00:08:15,391 --> 00:08:19,531 this is an interesting story, but there's someone in Minecraft jump jumping in the 165 00:08:19,531 --> 00:08:21,601 background and it's making me motion Sick. 166 00:08:21,901 --> 00:08:23,070 Oh yeah. 167 00:08:23,130 --> 00:08:23,670 Yeah. 168 00:08:24,300 --> 00:08:28,650 And I guess if we were to move away a little bit from TikTok, 'cause actually 169 00:08:28,650 --> 00:08:32,130 we recently did a whole episode on that, you guys can listen to that. 170 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:37,440 And we think more about, you know, maybe long form content. 171 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:41,160 So say you're at a, you're at a school or a university or maybe you're 172 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:45,810 reading, watching something from a, you know, a workplace and it's. 173 00:08:46,590 --> 00:08:52,110 It's a big piece of it's a, recording of a workshop, um, 174 00:08:52,110 --> 00:08:53,700 which is my, my least favorite. 175 00:08:53,700 --> 00:08:57,300 I'm currently in the middle of watching a recording of a workshop, and it's like 176 00:08:57,510 --> 00:09:00,360 in the moment, if I was there, I'm in. 177 00:09:00,390 --> 00:09:01,110 We're doing it. 178 00:09:01,110 --> 00:09:02,190 Let's make this happen. 179 00:09:02,190 --> 00:09:02,490 Let's go. 180 00:09:03,095 --> 00:09:06,635 Post that, having to watch the recording, it's in pieces. 181 00:09:06,905 --> 00:09:08,615 I keep having to go back. 182 00:09:09,905 --> 00:09:13,055 It's, there's a lot of preamble that you have to skip through. 183 00:09:13,055 --> 00:09:14,765 I try and make it as fast as possible. 184 00:09:14,765 --> 00:09:18,725 If there's no option to make it fast, then I, I, I don't like my day. 185 00:09:19,145 --> 00:09:21,215 So it's interesting. 186 00:09:21,215 --> 00:09:26,135 You know, what, what recommendations based on this paper could we give to somebody 187 00:09:26,135 --> 00:09:30,785 who has a, workshop recording and they don't wanna spend a million dollars, but 188 00:09:30,785 --> 00:09:31,990 they do want people to pay attention. 189 00:09:32,340 --> 00:09:33,240 there's two sides of this. 190 00:09:33,270 --> 00:09:38,460 'cause there's like what the user can do and what the presenters can do. 191 00:09:38,790 --> 00:09:42,870 'cause like on our side of things like having fidgets and. 192 00:09:44,295 --> 00:09:48,165 Being able to adjust the speed and stuff are great tools and making sure 193 00:09:48,165 --> 00:09:50,325 that we're not going to be interrupted. 194 00:09:50,325 --> 00:09:55,725 All those things, but yeah, from the presenter point of view, there's a 195 00:09:55,725 --> 00:10:00,165 few things that like the captions are a huge thing for a lot of people. 196 00:10:00,170 --> 00:10:03,645 Having that secondary visual stimulus of I'm reading while I'm 197 00:10:03,645 --> 00:10:05,265 doing this, it makes it lots easier. 198 00:10:06,015 --> 00:10:07,455 I actually do that already. 199 00:10:07,455 --> 00:10:11,700 I'll get like an audio book and a. Physical or ebook version so that I 200 00:10:11,700 --> 00:10:13,530 can read and listen at the same time. 201 00:10:14,010 --> 00:10:19,020 Uh, and that having the, those two formats, I'm like, oh, it keeps me engaged 202 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:20,730 quite a bit more If I was just listening. 203 00:10:20,730 --> 00:10:23,520 Sometimes I will be like, oh, I'm gonna do this other thing while I'm listening 204 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:24,780 and then forget where I was doing. 205 00:10:24,854 --> 00:10:26,113 Yeah, 100%. 206 00:10:26,503 --> 00:10:27,313 I think that's great. 207 00:10:27,313 --> 00:10:29,863 And, and I think, you know, the other things you can do 208 00:10:29,863 --> 00:10:31,783 is, you know, where are you? 209 00:10:31,843 --> 00:10:34,633 So, like for me, if I really need to lock in, I'll probably go to 210 00:10:34,633 --> 00:10:39,043 a coffee shop, sit down, have breakfast, you know, have a coffee, 211 00:10:39,433 --> 00:10:41,383 and that's when I'll watch the video. 212 00:10:41,743 --> 00:10:44,953 Um, whereas if I'm at my desk, it's really easy to check my emails. 213 00:10:44,953 --> 00:10:46,513 It's really easy to do other things. 214 00:10:46,998 --> 00:10:51,288 Um, I also have a treadmill, so I'll sometimes will go on that and watch and 215 00:10:51,288 --> 00:10:54,648 if I do wanna engage in like, bringing the content, then same thing you 216 00:10:54,648 --> 00:10:59,628 said, like pulling up their workbooks, pulling up their, you know, now people 217 00:10:59,628 --> 00:11:02,568 have AI chat bots that will like walk you through what they're doing, 218 00:11:02,568 --> 00:11:03,978 which has been very, very helpful. 219 00:11:04,248 --> 00:11:07,848 We've started making some of our own actually, um, which has been great 220 00:11:07,848 --> 00:11:13,398 in our program and, um, things like that so that I'm, I'm engaging with 221 00:11:13,398 --> 00:11:15,198 it, like you said, on, on multiple. 222 00:11:15,913 --> 00:11:16,618 multiple ways. 223 00:11:17,218 --> 00:11:17,428 Yeah. 224 00:11:17,938 --> 00:11:20,818 And then another thing that was just occurring to me was the 225 00:11:21,298 --> 00:11:27,178 presenter side of things is just yeah having a still camera like we do. 226 00:11:28,558 --> 00:11:31,558 But we, in the videos that I put up, like we are switching back 227 00:11:31,558 --> 00:11:32,698 and forth between who's talking. 228 00:11:33,283 --> 00:11:37,183 That's the kind of thing that just that little bit of motion 229 00:11:37,183 --> 00:11:39,403 does create a lot more engagement. 230 00:11:39,913 --> 00:11:40,142 Mm-hmm. 231 00:11:40,693 --> 00:11:45,163 so having multiple camera angles or at least having perhaps a zoom in 232 00:11:45,163 --> 00:11:46,903 at sometimes can be very helpful. 233 00:11:47,773 --> 00:11:51,373 One of the fun things I sometimes do when I'm watching like a regular like network 234 00:11:51,373 --> 00:11:55,963 TV show, this doesn't sound like fun, but it is just something that occasionally 235 00:11:55,963 --> 00:11:59,923 pops in my head is I will count the seconds until the camera scene switches. 236 00:12:00,523 --> 00:12:02,683 In my head, it's gonna be like every 15 seconds. 237 00:12:02,863 --> 00:12:05,322 In reality, it's three, sometimes less. 238 00:12:06,883 --> 00:12:16,033 Which is, it's, I'm like 1, 1, 1, 2, and I'm like, it's switching scenes in. 239 00:12:16,033 --> 00:12:19,903 Like it doesn't feel like that because it's just switching 240 00:12:19,903 --> 00:12:21,763 the angle or something. 241 00:12:21,763 --> 00:12:23,443 But it is something that happens quite a bit. 242 00:12:23,623 --> 00:12:24,673 I was doing it the other day with. 243 00:12:26,083 --> 00:12:29,083 My wife was watching Bake Off, and I was like, yeah they do it too. 244 00:12:29,083 --> 00:12:31,993 Even though this is just a baking show, they are switching the 245 00:12:31,993 --> 00:12:33,493 camera angle so much to keep our 246 00:12:33,493 --> 00:12:33,793 attention. 247 00:12:34,227 --> 00:12:36,627 Even though it's supposed to be the most relaxing show, you're 248 00:12:36,627 --> 00:12:38,817 just there to chill and unwind. 249 00:12:38,847 --> 00:12:39,867 That's so interesting. 250 00:12:41,053 --> 00:12:41,353 Yeah. 251 00:12:41,683 --> 00:12:46,333 And so it's something that that's one of the big differences between 252 00:12:46,333 --> 00:12:49,723 like professionally made content and something that's like those 253 00:12:50,293 --> 00:12:51,943 streams you see online and stuff. 254 00:12:51,943 --> 00:12:52,538 It's oh yeah, this. 255 00:12:54,853 --> 00:12:57,433 Static shot versus something that's constantly changing. 256 00:12:57,883 --> 00:13:01,453 And because we've been trained with these dynamic things that are always changing, 257 00:13:01,693 --> 00:13:03,108 that's what our brain is desiring. 258 00:13:03,408 --> 00:13:07,278 the other thing is that having multiple people, like I really 259 00:13:07,278 --> 00:13:10,308 struggle sometimes when I'm listening to one person, like an audio book. 260 00:13:11,388 --> 00:13:13,698 If you are running a workshop and you're thinking, how can 261 00:13:13,698 --> 00:13:14,988 I make this more engaging? 262 00:13:15,348 --> 00:13:18,648 But I cannot hire an editor and change the frame every three seconds. 263 00:13:18,973 --> 00:13:21,193 Could you at least have multiple people speaking? 264 00:13:22,393 --> 00:13:27,733 Maybe it could be more like a conversation or that kind of thing. 265 00:13:27,733 --> 00:13:30,133 So at least there's something interesting happening rather 266 00:13:30,133 --> 00:13:31,393 than just one person speaking. 267 00:13:31,393 --> 00:13:33,583 Because I think that can be really tough. 268 00:13:33,583 --> 00:13:35,773 Like obviously it can be done. 269 00:13:36,103 --> 00:13:40,303 A lot of people listen to you doing your sessions and then they're great. 270 00:13:41,293 --> 00:13:45,523 When you're speaking on the podcast, but I think it's, hard for people to. 271 00:13:46,443 --> 00:13:49,653 Just talk and have that be engaging. 272 00:13:50,704 --> 00:13:54,094 And the other thing that was really interesting that came, I saw in this paper 273 00:13:54,094 --> 00:13:58,654 come up a number of times was the range of people being like, I really like this. 274 00:13:58,654 --> 00:14:00,604 And other people being like, that's the worst, 275 00:14:01,864 --> 00:14:02,644 That's so true. 276 00:14:04,355 --> 00:14:06,125 With there being like, oh yeah, the cap. 277 00:14:06,455 --> 00:14:08,285 Having the captions in the middle of the screen made it 278 00:14:08,285 --> 00:14:09,395 really easy for me to read them. 279 00:14:09,485 --> 00:14:12,065 And other people being like, why can't the captions be somewhere 280 00:14:12,065 --> 00:14:13,385 where I can actually see what's going 281 00:14:13,669 --> 00:14:14,089 Yeah. 282 00:14:14,389 --> 00:14:14,899 Yeah. 283 00:14:16,009 --> 00:14:19,729 It's also about like people who can read fast versus people who can't. 284 00:14:20,059 --> 00:14:24,799 So I've I'm a pretty fast reader, so if I, see a caption, I'm reading the 285 00:14:24,799 --> 00:14:29,869 caption, so I can't, for example, if I'm watching stand up comedy, 286 00:14:29,929 --> 00:14:31,189 I have to turn the captions off. 287 00:14:31,279 --> 00:14:36,409 'cause I'll read the punchline before the joke is made versus people who, 288 00:14:36,409 --> 00:14:39,769 maybe read a bit slower and so they find that particularly helpful. 289 00:14:40,729 --> 00:14:42,679 Or useless 'cause they're not reading it at all. 290 00:14:43,705 --> 00:14:43,925 Yeah. 291 00:14:44,375 --> 00:14:48,965 Or if it's like a crappy AI 292 00:14:49,909 --> 00:14:51,319 Yes, they mentioned that. 293 00:14:51,979 --> 00:14:53,449 They mentioned that as well. 294 00:14:53,719 --> 00:14:54,799 That is brutal. 295 00:14:54,799 --> 00:14:59,029 Especially not just crappy ai, but also if you've ever watched Japanese, uh, 296 00:14:59,029 --> 00:15:03,259 Netflix, they'll have the English, okay, this is a bit of a tangent, I apologize, 297 00:15:03,259 --> 00:15:04,909 but they'll have the English version. 298 00:15:05,629 --> 00:15:09,199 And then the English dubbed version, and they're different. 299 00:15:09,199 --> 00:15:13,459 So what they'll say in the English written version is different from the 300 00:15:13,459 --> 00:15:15,889 English dubbed version if you're watching. 301 00:15:15,919 --> 00:15:18,859 So anyway, Netflix, you need to figure your stuff out. 302 00:15:18,859 --> 00:15:19,519 There's two different, 303 00:15:19,610 --> 00:15:19,900 Yeah. 304 00:15:20,059 --> 00:15:20,749 Englishes going on. 305 00:15:21,349 --> 00:15:24,859 And there's also separately from this paper, but what I've seen, 306 00:15:25,549 --> 00:15:29,809 I've seen this online a lot, is there's a infantilization where 307 00:15:32,449 --> 00:15:35,539 you know, instead of saying they'll have the regular thing, 308 00:15:35,539 --> 00:15:38,363 but instead of saying murder on 309 00:15:38,413 --> 00:15:39,973 there'll be the, a gun emoji or 310 00:15:39,973 --> 00:15:40,273 something. 311 00:15:40,273 --> 00:15:44,953 And to be fair, there is realistic fears about having written 312 00:15:44,953 --> 00:15:47,113 captions, being more censored than 313 00:15:47,767 --> 00:15:51,787 spoken word because, they're using their systems to go, Hey, 314 00:15:51,787 --> 00:15:52,987 we can read these real easily. 315 00:15:52,987 --> 00:15:55,447 And we saw that you talked about this word that we don't want on our 316 00:15:55,447 --> 00:16:00,637 platform, so we're going to shadow, ban your video or whatever it is. 317 00:16:00,637 --> 00:16:04,487 And and that's a real concern for people who might have that happen more to them. 318 00:16:04,675 --> 00:16:09,985 So in terms of in terms of takeaways from this and by the way, if you want 319 00:16:10,015 --> 00:16:15,865 a copy of this you can just DM me video at unconventional organization and 320 00:16:15,865 --> 00:16:18,115 I'll send you the PDFs so you can see. 321 00:16:18,145 --> 00:16:22,015 'cause there's a lot of interesting stuff, a lot of interesting perspectives on this. 322 00:16:22,375 --> 00:16:23,905 And it's, quite a good paper. 323 00:16:24,865 --> 00:16:28,015 But what is the takeaway in terms of people going okay. 324 00:16:28,810 --> 00:16:31,665 What do I, what am I learning from this paper? 325 00:16:32,595 --> 00:16:33,705 I think it's just that. 326 00:16:35,565 --> 00:16:38,955 For one, it's important for us to think about these aspects on our own level. 327 00:16:38,955 --> 00:16:40,035 How are we gonna stay engaged? 328 00:16:40,035 --> 00:16:42,795 How are we gonna try and void dark patterns and stuff where 329 00:16:42,795 --> 00:16:45,285 it's like engaging us with content we don't wanna be engaged with. 330 00:16:46,155 --> 00:16:50,715 And then also, how are we going to, as creators, how are we 331 00:16:50,715 --> 00:16:53,415 going to make sure that we're being inclusive to our audience? 332 00:16:53,535 --> 00:16:55,169 What are the, some of the steps we can take? 333 00:16:55,589 --> 00:16:55,829 Huh. 334 00:16:56,475 --> 00:17:01,815 a lot of it's not that hard for us to do, like including captions including, 335 00:17:03,345 --> 00:17:09,615 making sure that it's visually interesting and because as content creator, even 336 00:17:09,615 --> 00:17:12,885 though I don't really want to think about things like that, it isn't also being 337 00:17:12,885 --> 00:17:16,470 like, I want to make stuff accessible so people actually watch the content. 338 00:17:17,574 --> 00:17:18,024 Yeah. 339 00:17:18,294 --> 00:17:22,824 It gives us, as creators more information about how people who 340 00:17:22,854 --> 00:17:26,634 are ADHD, which is the people that we work with, wanna curate content. 341 00:17:26,634 --> 00:17:31,374 And then, yeah, I think for the people who have ADHD, it's, it's also a way of 342 00:17:31,674 --> 00:17:33,684 maybe giving you permission to try things. 343 00:17:33,744 --> 00:17:35,994 'cause sometimes people, I still talk to people who didn't know 344 00:17:35,994 --> 00:17:37,254 about speeding up the video 345 00:17:37,794 --> 00:17:38,064 yeah. 346 00:17:38,499 --> 00:17:41,829 Or I will then show someone a video on my phone and they're like, what 347 00:17:41,829 --> 00:17:43,419 is wrong with what you're watching? 348 00:17:43,419 --> 00:17:44,709 It is like they're jerking. 349 00:17:44,709 --> 00:17:46,479 I'm like, oh, I forgot I had this at 350 00:17:47,828 --> 00:17:48,218 It. 351 00:17:48,429 --> 00:17:51,849 and then I like put it back to normal and I'm like, oh, this is painful to watch 352 00:17:51,849 --> 00:17:52,149 now. 353 00:17:52,538 --> 00:17:52,928 does. 354 00:17:52,928 --> 00:17:55,868 It does take a minute to get into the zone of the speed up. 355 00:17:55,868 --> 00:18:00,008 I think when someone else is on 1.5 and you not like understanding 356 00:18:00,008 --> 00:18:02,438 what they're saying right at the beginning is hard, and then eventually 357 00:18:02,438 --> 00:18:03,308 you're like, make it faster. 358 00:18:03,308 --> 00:18:03,753 Make it faster.