Mrs Sno: You're listening to scheduling sin with me.
SnoMilf.
Mr Sno: This conversation we're having now, we're really having for the first time.
I almost want to say like, this is what it should sound like.
Yeah. When you have these conversations, I am not a hey, you're hot, let's fuck person.
Yeah, I thought I was.
Yeah, well, hello Mrs.
Sno.
Mrs Sno: Well, hello, Mr. Sno, how are you?
I'm good, I'm good.
How are you?
Mr Sno: I'm good. Today is kind of an exciting episode.
Mrs Sno: It is an exciting episode.
Mr Sno: So before we get to that, we have a few housekeeping items to take care of.
Yeah. Um, one is that we are toying around with starting a Patreon.
Mrs Sno: Yeah, I.
Mr. Sno just wants to monetize my tits.
Mr Sno: Well, a little bit.
So it's a little.
We have not monetized the show, right?
And that's perfectly fine.
That's really not our goal.
Um, but there is cost with putting the show on.
Mrs Sno: Well, and let's be real, people want merch, people want merch.
Mr Sno: So we are going to explore Patreon.
And we're not entirely sure within the, the, uh, the guidelines about what's allowed on
Patreon, we're still kind of working that out.
Um, however.
Uh, we definitely are going to have some exclusive content on Patreon, and we think
we're going to have some access to some merch, which we've talked about doing merch
for a long time with, like, quote stickers and stuff like that.
Yeah. And I think Patreon might help us to do that.
So keep an eye on that space.
The links will be in the show notes, um, as that comes together.
And I think you can just search on Patreon for us too.
Mrs Sno: I would think.
Mr Sno: And look that way.
Yeah. The, uh, the subscription is cheap.
I think there's only one level that we have in there right now, and that's $3 a month.
Mrs Sno: You know you want to monetize my tits, but $3 a month seems insulting.
Well.
Mr Sno: I mean that that's fair, but I think we have to start at a modest level.
Uh, and just see what we're able to keep up with.
So that's that's coming.
Um, in other news, we got a fantastic a fantastic first single guy approach on SLS.
Mrs Sno: Oh, yeah. This was this was like one for the books.
Mr Sno: Yeah. It was you know, we've gotten a bunch of the ones, we've gotten a bunch of, uh.
Hey, can I come fuck your wife.
Mrs Sno: Without even saying hello?
Mr Sno: Not even saying hello? Know what I mean?
Not. Hey, just. Can I come.
Mrs Sno: Fuck your wife? How are you doing?
Let me fuck your wife, right?
Right. Yeah. It was just.
Mr Sno: Yeah. No, this one's better.
It was two words.
Mrs Sno: Um.
Mr Sno: She fertile.
Mrs Sno: She fertile. Um, like, wasn't even a question.
I mean, it wasn't even a question.
Mr Sno: Officially a question mark.
Yeah.
Mrs Sno: And I mean, if for nothing else, the grammar was just bad, right?
Like, you can't even, like, form a full sentence or.
Oh, this.
Mr Sno: Got this guy got literally zero points.
Yeah. None.
Mrs Sno: I mean, and the fact that you asked if I'm fertile is just a whole level of creepy.
Oh, it's full cringe.
Mr Sno: It's like full cringe.
Bad, 100% cringe.
Mrs Sno: I just I can't yeah, but I.
Mr Sno: Have so many questions.
Mrs Sno: Well, I do too. I mean, first of all, is this like, has he tried this approach with
multiple people? And I'm curious as to like how much response has this person gotten?
Well, and.
Mr Sno: Let's say let's just say for sake of argument, I had responded with, oh hell yeah.
Mrs Sno: Oh yeah. She's super fertile.
Yeah. Super fertile.
Fucking fertile as hell.
Mr Sno: What comes next?
Mrs Sno: He does, I mean.
Mr Sno: Really? Okay, that was funny.
Um, okay.
Yeah. Right.
But I but I'm saying, is it like, well, can I come impregnate her?
Mrs Sno: Yeah.
Mr Sno: Like is that is that the question?
Is the question literally asking, can I come impregnate your wife?
Mrs Sno: I mean, I would assume so.
Like, why else would you ask about someone's fertility if that's not the goal there,
right? You know, sometimes I think we should engage with these people just to kind of fuck
with them, just to game it out, just to game it out, just just to have a better story.
Right. Because now we don't know.
Right. I think we should be able to ask these questions, um, and invite them on the
podcast and be like, tell me about why this is your approach.
Yeah. Um, kind of like how you want to always fuck with telemarketers.
Yeah, yeah. Same thing.
Mr Sno: Yeah. Well, right.
And of course, of course, this message arrived at three in the morning.
Mrs Sno: Well, yeah.
Mr Sno: I mean, that's when this message arrives, right?
Because this guy, this isn't this.
Mrs Sno: This guy is not working at two in the afternoon.
Mr Sno: Oh, gosh. No. He is sitting on his couch at three in the morning drunk on Wild Turkey
with his dick in his hand.
Yeah. Just sending messages to people.
Mrs Sno: I mean, I don't know, sound like a bad Saturday night, but.
Mr Sno: Yeah, come to think of it.
Mrs Sno: Well, he's in the basement somewhere, I'm sure, and he's unemployed and who knows all
of the things, who knows?
Mr Sno: But yeah, so that was a new low.
Um.
Mrs Sno: That's fun. We are also in the process of redoing our basement to have more of a
studio. Yes, because we are and as we have for the last almost year now.
Would be the year in April.
Yeah. All right. So we're just shy of a year.
Um, we have been sitting on our couch in our living room.
Yeah, surrounded by all kinds of, you know, kid toys and random shit, which.
Mr Sno: Has its benefits.
It does, because the carpeted room and the couch and everything.
The sound treatment's pretty good in here, but we have to set it up and tear it down all
the time. So having a studio will enable us to keep everything all set up all the time.
Yeah. And so we're pretty excited for that.
And you're going to get a chance to see it on the Patreon I think.
Mrs Sno: Right. Because I guess the, the first, uh, I mean, not first, but one of the suggestions
was basically doing our podcast as a video podcast, but as you can only see the my
microphone and my tits.
So I'm going to be doing a topless.
Mr Sno: Yeah. Or close to it maybe, maybe.
And I was thinking about it might be almost better if it were different bras.
Oh right. Because then people could, like, check in and see what bras Mrs.
Sno wearing this week.
Mrs Sno: Interesting. Okay, so and then maybe as part of the Patreon, we can sell the bras.
Mr Sno: See this?
This this is a moneymaker.
Mrs Sno: I mean, all I can say right here I am.
We're going to.
Mr Sno: Get rich on this.
Yeah.
Mrs Sno: So rich, we're gonna be able to send our kids to college.
Mr Sno: Oh my God. Okay.
Mrs Sno: That's so fucked up. Oh my.
Mr Sno: God. Okay.
All right.
Mrs Sno: So.
Mr Sno: So the real subject of today's conversation, yeah, is that we are thinking about changing
our dynamic a little bit.
Mrs Sno: Yeah. You know what's interesting about dynamics in regards to this journey?
When you get into the naughty hobby, the lifestyle, etc., etc..
Swinging. Um, I think, and at least for us, I feel like you spend a lot of time trying to
figure out what your dynamic is.
You know, like that's a huge part of this whole culture, this whole kind of process.
And it's funny when you talk about dynamics because I think if you asked us day one what
our dynamic is versus what it is, what it was yesterday, as opposed to what we want it
to be, right? It clearly evolves and it changes quite a bit.
And that's often kind of one of the first questions that come up when you meet a couple
or you meet an individual you know, that you're engaged or wanting to engage with is
what's your dynamic, right.
That's the question that you get asked a lot.
And sometimes people.
Really know how to answer that question because I have a very.
They know what their dynamic is.
It's very set in stone for them.
And it is what it is.
And and sometimes you find people that don't really know how to answer that question.
Mr Sno: So I think that phrase that you just said is kind of key to this conversation today, and
that is in that whole set in stone concept.
Right? Because we would have said that our rules were set in stone regarding we always
want to play together.
Mhm. Um, we never want to play a part.
All those kinds of things. I would have said up until recently that that was a very set in
stone idea.
Mhm. And we're learning now that for us that evolution might be changing a little bit.
Maybe it's not so set in stone.
Mrs Sno: Well, and I think it's also this idea of.
We are open to maybe looking or trying new things, but.
That may very well result in.
Our dynamic staying the same.
Mr Sno: It could. So.
So I guess what we haven't said really is what we're thinking about changing.
So what we're talking about changing is adding solo play to our dynamic.
Mrs Sno: And there's and I feel like your definition of solo play and my definition is different.
Mr Sno: Well that's interesting.
Let's let's come back to that.
But the reason that we're talking about adding solo play.
Is sort of to overcome a problem.
Mrs Sno: Oh, sure. Yep.
Mr Sno: Well, I should say this.
It's to overcome a problem for me and for you.
It's because I think it's super hot.
Mrs Sno: So I mean, that's pretty much the dynamic.
That dynamic is very much the same.
Okay.
Mr Sno: That's true. Let's talk about the me side of it.
So we've had a number of experiences swapping with other couples.
Right. And they have been great.
All the people that we have played with um, have been amazing and.
But what? But what has happened in those scenarios that I have found for me is that it
is difficult for me to focus on another play partner when you are playing at the same
time.
Mrs Sno: When I am playing at the same time, right?
Mr Sno: What we have, what some people have suggested and we have not attempted at least to yet is
different room like same time, different room.
Mhm. I think that would almost drive me more nuts.
Mrs Sno: Well, I think it was, you know, when we initially started, it was like we wanted to
do full swap.
Same room.
Yes. And we had had those experiences and they were not what you would.
I mean, like, it just didn't go the way you thought it was going to go.
And there were a lot of things that came up for you that they were anticipating.
There were.
Mr Sno: And I think when we looked at doing full swap.
I'm not sure we really.
Um. I'm not sure we really grasped even what that meant, and I'm wondering how common that
is, because when I pictured a full swap.
And I don't think I actually realized this until we did it.
And then later it kind of created problems.
I pictured full swap being free for all.
Mrs Sno: Like an orgy.
Mr Sno: Well, yeah, like kind of like a four person orgy, right?
Mrs Sno: Not too. Not basically just swapping partners.
Exactly.
Mr Sno: Yeah, right. Like start to finish.
Full swap is is really not.
It's just not how I imagined it.
Mrs Sno: Right? Yeah. I mean, if you don't know, you don't know.
Right.
Mr Sno: So yes.
Mrs Sno: And I'm sure that there are some people that that would be the case.
You know what I mean? It's just right.
But so many things what has.
Mr Sno: Come up in a couple of those circumstances.
And this was something, and it was a bit of feedback that I've gotten, um, that, that I
didn't expect.
And kind of stung a little bit, but as I've given it more thought, I understand it was
this idea that when I stopped paying attention to that other person.
And started paying attention to you in that moment.
That other person felt suddenly abandoned, left out right?
Which really sucks because that was never my intent to make anybody feel like that.
Um, you.
Mrs Sno: Know, I think and of course, you say this out loud and it's like, well, of course it is.
But you don't realize, you know, even though this is sport fucking right.
Sometimes we think about it that way.
It's also still very vulnerable.
It is, it is. I mean, you know, even though we have this idea that we go into this
experience of we're just going to have sex, it's casual.
It's there's there's really no emotional meaning to it, quote unquote.
It doesn't change the fact that there's still emotions or vulnerabilities that come
up.
Mr Sno: Absolutely. You bring all of your personhood into this.
Mrs Sno: Yeah.
Mr Sno: And so in those scenarios, a couple times where that happened and I got this feedback
much later, which I appreciated receiving it.
I appreciated that they said something because I learned from it that I really
didn't know.
Um. Like I say, in that full swap scenario, I kind of viewed it as free flowing.
That's how I pictured it, I think.
What? Was expected or wanted for on the other side was that it really, truly was like
a full swap start to finish.
Mrs Sno: Like you're with that person.
You're with that.
Mr Sno: Person, right? And the fact that the other two people might be there on the bed or in
the room is sort of inconsequential, right?
Mrs Sno: It's fun to watch.
Whatever. But yeah.
Mr Sno: But but that's not what you're doing.
Mrs Sno: That's not that's not your focus.
Mr Sno: Right. And so okay, I absolutely get that, um, bad on me, but I get that now.
Yeah. But what I've also come to realize is that if Mrs.
Sno is playing.
I have a really hard time not wanting to just watch that and engage with that.
I and I think if you were playing at the same time in another room.
I think it would almost be more of a mind fuck for me, because I would be completely
distracted wondering what you're doing, what's going on in there?
Who's fucking who?
You know what I mean? Like, I think it really would be difficult.
So this all came about because we're thinking about adding solo play in the
situation where that I would play with the female of this other couple on our own.
We're talking about potentially going, I hate to use the word date, because that's
kind of a weird turn for me, but we're going to plan to go out and get a couple of drinks
and hang out, and then play might happen after that.
Um, that you're not a part of.
Mhm. And that would be the first time that I have been alone with another woman.
Mrs Sno: In that context?
Mr Sno: Yeah, in that context.
In how old am I?
100. In, in like, we're like, legitimately like close to 20 years.
So I've got this is a real mind fuck for me.
Yeah. But the the purpose of doing this is to be able to focus completely on that other
person. And I'm hoping that if that is kind of developed, then if we all play again
together, like I'm less distracted.
Mrs Sno: Well, you have more of a connection with the individual.
The other individual. Yes.
Mr Sno: Because that's the other thing I've learned about myself.
Yeah. Is I am not a hey, you're hot, let's fuck person.
Yeah I, I thought I was.
Mrs Sno: Yeah. Well it's funny is I thought I wasn't.
Yeah that's definitely not the case.
Mr Sno: Funny how that works. But when, when we started into this, I really thought I could
basically just play with anybody.
Mrs Sno: Yeah.
Mr Sno: At the drop of a hat.
Yeah. Because my frame of reference was when I was 18 and I could have fucked a screen
door.
Mrs Sno: Yeah, well, what 18 year old male couldn't fuck a screen door?
Mr Sno: But I'm learning as I reach the tender age of.
Mrs Sno: Age.
Mr Sno: 40 that I really need more of a connection with a person.
Yeah, before that works for me.
Mrs Sno: Um, so I think about it, you know, in the terms of, like the full swap thing, like.
If you stop and think about it, it makes sense that you are kind of distracted by the
one you have the emotional connection with.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Mr Sno: Yeah, absolutely. So if I develop that connection and we're not talking about a poly
scenario, but if I develop that sort of sexual connection with another person, does
that then translate into better group play?
Mrs Sno: Yeah. I mean it's kind of one of those things like you got to just try it and see, right?
Mr Sno: Yeah. You got to try everything twice.
Right.
Mrs Sno: So, you know, it's interesting.
You know, the idea of you going to play.
If I stop and think about you doing solo play and what that means and how I feel about
it. There's there's a part of me that's like.
You have always been very like you go, if you want to go do that, you can do that.
Right. And in our dynamic generally is like me getting the best sex of my life.
It's been more about me.
Mr Sno: It's more of a hot wife type dynamic for.
Mrs Sno: The most part. And so.
I guess if I stop and I mean just just at a basic like fairness, right?
You know, it's like I would be hypocritical to say, well, you I don't want, you know,
like, the priority of you having the best sex of your life is of course, that's true,
but I don't. Like there's a part of me that's like, I can't.
You can't say that, and then me not say that.
Mr Sno: Well, and I think you have to be careful with that.
I get what you're saying on the fairness side, but I really would like to challenge
that because just because I feel okay with it and feel comfortable with it does not mean
that you are quote unquote supposed to know.
I understand some concept of fairness.
Mrs Sno: I understand that, but it's a feeling, right?
It's a you know, you talk about going into this lifestyle together.
This is about us, our relationship being closer together.
Mr Sno: Right?
Mrs Sno: The the concept of fairness.
Or I can do this, but you can't or, you know, that's a piece of it.
It is, you know, and that's something that you're going to consider and think about.
And and it does that does part that is part of that mind fuck.
So here's like, what kind of what kind of wife am I?
What kind of partner am I?
If my husband, who's amazing and wonderful and wants me to have the best sex of my life
and wants me to engage with all of these sexual experiences, but I'm like, nope, you
can't.
Mr Sno: Nope. You can't.
Mrs Sno: But you know what I mean. Like you, that to me is just that to me has more of a potential
to cause resentment.
Mr Sno: I get that I here's what I would here's what if like from my perspective, what I would ask
for from you on a fairness level.
Right. I would ask for you to honestly consider it.
Yeah, that's what I would ask for.
Sure. I would not necessarily say that.
If you think about it genuinely and decide that it's a no for you.
Yeah, that that's unfair.
I wouldn't say that because, again, just because I feel a certain way doesn't mean you
should, but.
I. I think as a general matter of fairness, I think it is it is expected that both of us
consider what the other person might want.
Right. Honestly and honestly, like kind of analyze it for yourself.
Yeah. So.
Here's where.
So what we're planning on doing is that this woman and I would go out to dinner and then
potentially play afterwards.
And I'll tell you the truth.
There's a part of me, like, just the basic, like horndog in me is excited about it.
Yeah, that I realize that's shocking.
Mrs Sno: 18 year old that still likes to fuck screen doors.
Yeah, yeah, he's pretty stoked.
Mr Sno: He's stoked. And and I know that's a big shock to you, but what um, what is also true
though, is I don't know.
I have a certain. I guess it's guilt.
Hmm. I guess it's guilt.
I can't really put my finger on it.
There's a part of me that doesn't.
It's not that I don't like it, it's that I feel really awkward about it.
Mrs Sno: Awkward about the idea of having sex with another woman.
Mr Sno: The whole experience, or.
Mrs Sno: The idea that I'm having an intimate experience with another woman?
Yes.
Mr Sno: Yeah, right. The idea that I would go out with another woman and we would flirt and do
whatever that which may end up leading to us having sex with you, not there.
Even though it's like, quote unquote, with your blessing.
Yeah. Which I know I should just shut the fuck up now and just write.
Mrs Sno: Yeah, all the men on the podcast are like, what the fuck?
Mr Sno: I know everybody's like, just, just just stop here.
Yeah, I get it, but I, I genuinely can't tell you how I feel about it.
Mrs Sno: Well, but I think you are the type of person that is just very in your head.
Mr Sno: A little bit.
Mrs Sno: Yeah. You know, and I think and with that being said, that has that impacts you
engaging in any sexual moment even even with just you.
And I like if you're in your head about it.
Yeah. It's just not going to work or things aren't going to go well.
Right. So now you add the layer of now I'm doing something I've never done.
I'm doing something that's kind of taboo, that that is a little more risky, if you
will. Yeah.
Um, you know, talk about mind fucking yourself.
Yeah. You know. And what is it going to take for you to be in your head to say I'm okay?
Mr Sno: Well, I think the one of the big pieces that I'm interested to know is let's paint the
picture here a little bit.
So I kiss you goodbye and I leave.
Yeah. You're here.
Yeah. We have kids.
You're doing the here stuff.
Yeah. Meanwhile.
Yeah, you know that your husband is out there in the world somewhere with another
woman. Engaging in these things and possibly having sex.
Have you thought about how you're going to feel?
I mean.
Mrs Sno: I have the distraction of, like, being in mommy mode.
Um, so in some ways, like, I don't know if I would have the time to think about it.
As much as you would if you were home.
You know, like when you're out on the road or you're like, not here.
Like, I feel like there is a different.
But you don't.
Mr Sno: Think this is going to be enough to like, I didn't.
Mrs Sno: I didn't say that. I didn't say that.
I just said, I guess I don't know how I feel about it.
I don't think I'm upset about it.
I mean, it doesn't upset me when I think about it.
Um, I mean, there's there's a part of me that's excited about it, and, and.
Mr Sno: You know how you sometimes say that I'm the perfect husband?
That's right.
Mrs Sno: Don't forget that.
Um, now, there's a part of me that's excited about it.
I mean, I you know what it is, and this and this is and this isn't.
This is what it is.
If I'm having a perfectly fine night with the children and everything's fine.
Everything's fine.
Yeah, but if it's like a rough night and I'm like, fucking screaming and kids are and it's
a terrible, then there's more of that resentment that comes in.
Mr Sno: Yep.
Mrs Sno: You know what I mean? Yeah.
Yeah. Um, but I feel like.
Overall in general.
Okay. I'm not.
It doesn't. Again, there's nothing about it that upsets me now.
Part of why it doesn't upset me is because I know her.
Yes. I think the idea of you meeting someone that I had no idea who it was that is
upsetting.
Mr Sno: Yeah, yeah.
Mrs Sno: You know, you going out with someone that.
I had no idea who they were, right?
You know what I mean?
Like that to me, I think is upsetting.
But the fact that I know her, we have a relationship.
The four of us have gone out.
Um. And obviously I know her relationship with her husband and she obviously knows my
relationship with you. I mean, there's already that kind of mutual respect and
understanding of what this is and what this is not.
Right. Um, I think that that that's a huge part of why I'm not upset about it.
Right. Um, but I am excited, and I would be excited to hear about.
Like how it goes.
And and I feel like I would probably be like, what are you doing?
How's it going? You know, like, I'd probably be texting you.
You know.
Mr Sno: What? I'm kind of wondering, like, you know.
Mrs Sno: What I mean? I would try not to, but I'm sure I would.
Yeah. At some point, um, which I would.
Mr Sno: I would honestly.
Really welcome that involvement.
Mhm. Because it I think for me it would be reassuring.
Sure. You know this idea that like you're in a flirty kind of fun way like hey how's it
going. Yeah. What are you guys doing.
Mrs Sno: What color bra is she wearing.
Mr Sno: What color bra she wears.
You know. But honestly, that kind of stuff I think would be encouraging to me.
Yeah. Um, I think if we had this, I.
What? This is something that I did want to say to you.
I do not want to impart a like.
No contact.
You cannot contact me.
Do not touch me. I don't want to hear from you like I want.
It's not really like that.
Like I kind of do want to hear from you.
Yeah. Um.
It's interesting because where part of where this gets murky for me.
Is the the the lifestyle for us.
And I would say I've kind of crossed this line before, but the lifestyle for us has
been very sexual.
Yeah, it's very sexual.
Mrs Sno: There's definitely that physical. Yeah, there's.
Mr Sno: Definitely the sexual piece is the main thrust of it.
Right. And no pun intended.
It's like that was cute and and the and honestly the friendships.
But that's kind of a side thing.
This bridges the gap a little bit.
And this is why I said earlier, like I'm kind of itchy about the word date.
Mhm. Because I don't want to date another woman.
Right. I don't want to have.
Not that she. She is wonderful.
That's nothing to do with her.
Yeah, but I'm not looking for a quote unquote romantic experience with another
woman. Right. But this kind of this kind of blurs that line.
Mrs Sno: Well, it's like you want an emotional connection with somebody, but you don't want
an emotional connection with somebody.
Like, what is it, big e, little e.
Mr Sno: Big e, little e. That's a that's a good way of putting it.
Yeah. You know like I.
Mrs Sno: Want I don't you don't because you just said like you, you're the type of person that has
to have some type of connection to in order to engage in a sexual experience with.
Right. You've learned that about yourself, right?
But where is the where's the line between I'm going to engage in an emotional
relationship with you to a point where we can have sex and we can have good sex, and we
can enjoy that peace, but not where it's threatening.
The big E, right? Like our relationship, right?
Mr Sno: Exactly, exactly.
And that's and I don't.
And you don't.
Mrs Sno: Know like I don't. And honestly it probably I would think because relationships vary and
people vary in what they need emotionally is different.
I think that is going to vary depending on the woman that you have that relationship
with.
Mr Sno: I think that's that's true.
And and so it is interesting because the lifestyle and swinging and everything, it
really dovetails with poly.
Mhm. And I was just having a conversation with someone earlier today about their poly
relationship. And he was explaining to me how they kind of accidentally fell into poly,
like they didn't see it coming.
It wasn't anything they looked for.
Yeah it was.
They both had another couple that they had gotten to know and they both really liked.
And eventually it became a kitchen table conversation saying, well, are we interested
in trying this?
Yeah. Um.
Ah, boy, I tell you, it just.
I have so many.
Feelings about that I.
So let's let's switch for a second to you playing solo.
This is what I also want to mention at the top.
So I have written erotica.
Ooh. And it is.
It's spicy.
Mrs Sno: Well it's gotten quite the, the the response.
Mr Sno: So on our blog, on our website, if you go to HSN.com and then you go under blog and my
name, there's two stories there and the title is The Hot Wife Hotel and I wrote
those. I will say they're inspired by real life.
But I wrote. Perhaps.
Perhaps. But I wrote those.
Um. Kind of for the purpose of explaining hot wifing a little bit.
So if you're interested in that at all, go to the website and read those.
But in that that story.
We are at a hotel bar, you and I.
The third guy comes in to the hotel, and the two of you disappear upstairs to go play,
right? That I could do.
I could do that.
You going on a date with another guy?
Like if we were going to do exactly what we're talking about now in reverse.
I think I'd be okay with it.
Mrs Sno: But you. But I need different things.
You and I need different things.
We do. You know what I mean?
Like when we talked about you needing, like, more of a connection with somebody, I don't
necessarily.
Mr Sno: Right.
Mrs Sno: So I don't really want or need to go out on a date with somebody.
Mr Sno: Yeah, I get that.
Mrs Sno: But I think the other thing is, you know, when I think about solo play with me, like
the idea is super hot, like that whole that whole story was super hot, like the idea of,
like the three of us hanging out at the bar, having a drink, and then he and I going
upstairs while you're downstairs, just kind of waiting it out.
Um, I think I like the idea of you coming in and interrupting, quote unquote, and joining
us more so than me being 100% solo.
Because the other thing is, is what I get from swapping or same room.
More than me just getting what I want or getting sex is me showing off for you, right?
Which doesn't help you because you're distracted.
So it's like, you know, it's.
And so I'm, I'm, I'm more it's interesting.
Right. I'm more supportive, um, encouraging of you doing solo play because I want you to
get those amazing experiences like I've already gotten with the three of us playing
together.
Mr Sno: Yeah.
Mrs Sno: Because again, what I want out of this is not what you want out of this, necessarily.
And what you need is not what I need.
Mr Sno: Well, and honestly, this sounds completely crazy to say it.
But part of what I need is a win.
Mrs Sno: Yeah, well, and that's the thing, like, we've had a, you know, a number of experiences and
I've had a lot of fun.
I've had a really great experience.
You've had experience. You've had good experiences too, but I don't think you have
had the same type of experience that I've had.
No.
Mr Sno: The most successful experiences we've had were literally everybody walked away happy.
Good to go.
Everybody's happy.
Have been our MFM experiences right?
Those experiences have all been.
Everybody was happy.
Good to go. No left over feelings at the end.
Everybody was good.
Our full swap experiences so far have not been that way, right?
Um, they haven't been bad, right?
But there has been left overs on right on those experiences.
And and honestly, we talked about this some the other day.
For all of the.
Um. For all of the confidence that you have gotten from the lifestyle.
Yeah, for me, and I wonder how true this is for other men.
For me, it's actually been steps backwards.
Yeah, the lifestyle has taken more of my confidence than it has given.
Right. And that and.
Mrs Sno: That's hard to hear.
That's hard to hear as your partner in this for multiple reasons, but mainly because I
feel like I've gotten a lot of confidence from this.
Right? And a lot from you in this process.
And I feel like.
I feel there's a part of me that feels guilty that I haven't been able to give that
to you. And so that is part of this this idea, this mindset and this rationale for.
Yeah, I think I do want you to have these experiences.
I mean, I really do feel okay about it.
I'm not like talking myself into something I don't want to do, but but I think there is
this level of, I do want you to have a win.
I do want you to have a great sexual experience.
I mean, like, this is what all this is all about, right?
And is it what I initially thought that you would need when we started this whole thing?
No, but we didn't fucking know anything at that point, right?
Mr Sno: You know what I mean?
Mrs Sno: Nobody does. Right.
So but I think the reality is, is.
I am 100% comfortable with our with our relationship.
I am so secure in our relationship and how you feel about me and how I feel about you.
And and I know, I know what you're looking for is not.
Another partner?
No, you know what I mean.
Coupled with I know her and I feel like she.
It's the same thing with her.
Like she's not looking to get out of her marriage.
She's very secure and happy where she's at, and they have a good thing going.
So, like, you know what I mean?
Like, all those things have really kind of just reinforced that.
Not saying there's no risk because there's never, never any like no risk, but it's a
risk that I'm pretty comfortable in taking.
Mr Sno: Yeah. And for me, when I say I need a win, it really what I mean by that is I need an
experience with someone, whether whether it's an individual experience or group or
whatever, where afterwards everybody says that was great, you know, and that's the end
of it. Mhm. There's no lingering.
Well I wish you had done this or I wish you hadn't done this or, or one thing or another
like. That.
The thing about it is that feedback is really important, because I've learned a lot
from those conversations, and I would never want to give the impression to anybody that
I'm not open to feedback.
Right. But the goal is to have a great experience where there isn't critiques
afterwards. Right.
Right. You know what I mean?
Yeah. And and that again, that is not I do not mean that in any way as a slight to
anyone who has given me those comments, because again, I've learned a lot from them.
Right.
Mrs Sno: And, and it's, but it's also kind of been the catalyst of.
Knowing what's going to work for you, but also your potential people that you would
play with, right?
Mr Sno: And so honestly, what I have had to battle against a little bit in, in the face of that
is this idea that, oh shit, maybe I'm just not very good.
Maybe I should just stop shitty swinger.
Maybe I'm just shit at this and I should just not do it.
Yeah, you know what I mean?
Um, and honestly, the whole hot wife thing as.
And I do love it.
I mean, hot wife, but it's.
Mrs Sno: Easier but easy.
Mr Sno: For you. But, yeah, it is the easy way out.
Sure. Because finding another male who wants to come in and play with you, or even
potentially to play with both of us and be happy afterwards is infinitely easier.
Yeah, than finding a couple that we can connect with and swap with and everybody's
thrilled afterwards.
That is amazingly different.
Mhm. Um, so I'm, I'm, I'm really kind of anxious to see how all this goes.
And if we go out and play doesn't happen.
I'm perfectly fine with that.
Mrs Sno: Um well and I think I even said to you, you know, when we talked about this, um, a little
bit before, you're kind of like, I don't I don't know how I feel about it.
I don't know what I want to do. And I said, well, there's absolutely no risk in you going
out and just having dinner or a drink.
You know what I mean? Absolutely. You know, going out and maybe not having the
expectation that something's going to happen.
Right. Um, maybe not not being like being open to the idea of it, maybe, but not kind
of planning for it, if you will.
Um, there's absolutely no risk in going out and having a drink.
No, no. Like there's like, no, no, in.
Mr Sno: My mind there's not, there's not.
And that's why I'm I'm actually really looking forward to it.
Um, plus, we're going to go to a restaurant that I have been wanting to go to forever,
and I've never gotten to go.
Oh, so, you know, that's kind of a little side win right there.
Mrs Sno: So if worse comes to worse, nothing at all at all bombs out.
Mr Sno: Like I guess they have amazing snacks.
And you know how much I love the snacks.
Mrs Sno: So the moral of this story is, if you're going to go out on a date with somebody, make
sure it's at a place you like their food or drink, so you get something.
Mr Sno: Out of it. I mean, that's that's honestly a good life tip right there.
If you're dating, I mean, go where you want to go anyway.
Sure. Um, yeah.
So. That's kind of it.
Um, and I don't I really don't know how it's going to play.
Uh, Long Terme.
As far as solo play, I mean, is this going to be an experiment that happens a time or
two and that's all it ever is.
Is this going to be kind of an ongoing thing that happens once in a while?
Mrs Sno: You know, and what's interesting is like the idea of solo play for me is, is still
involves you.
Mr Sno: In what way?
Mrs Sno: Meaning? Like even that.
In my mind, solo play for me is I may be engaging or playing with somebody, but you
are still physically in the room.
Or around?
Yeah. And you may you may not participate, but you are physically there.
Mr Sno: Yeah. Now, let me ask you this though.
We have been looking and we still haven't really accomplished this to find a sort of
reliable local single male.
Mhm. Um.
Surprisingly difficult to find.
But let's say we did.
Let's say there was a person who we were very comfortable with, we'd played with
multiple times.
And that person messaged you and in a respectful way.
Not like trying to break the rules, but messaged you and said, hey, um, I know Mr.
Sno is gone right now.
Can I come over and play?
Would you be interested in that?
Mrs Sno: No.
Mr Sno: Why not? What I mean.
You get horny too?
Mrs Sno: That is a lie.
I don't know who fucking told you that shit.
Mr Sno: Who told you that shit?
I do not get horny.
Mrs Sno: Um. I just don't.
Mr Sno: I think you just ruined the show.
I mean, yeah, sorry. No, doesn't get horny.
That's going to be the title of the episode.
Mrs Sno: People are gonna. Call shenanigans on that bullshit.
Um. I don't have any desire to do that.
I just, I don't.
I don't I don't want to do that.
Mr Sno: Okay. So now let me ask you this.
Okay? I understand you don't want to do it, but just play this part out with me.
You'd be fine with doing it if I was in the room, though.
Like if I were here and I were going to watch.
Mrs Sno: But I wouldn't.
I don't think I would seek it out.
Mr Sno: No, I know, but the scenario I gave you is where he messaged you.
Here's where I'm going with this.
Like, I understand that my involvement is a big part of what you want out of it, right?
The question is.
Do you still get any of that sense out of it from my involvement?
If I'm like, you're texting me like, hey, I think he's going to come over this afternoon
because you fucking know what that's going to do to me on the other end of the phone,
wherever it is I am.
Mrs Sno: I don't know how to answer this question.
Yeah, I don't know.
Yes. Your involvement in this.
I mean, I hate to I hate to, like, fucking, like just.
Pull the curtain. You know what's behind the curtain, right?
But part of your involvement is super hot, and I really like it, but it's also just
really fucking convenient for me.
Mr Sno: What do you mean?
Mrs Sno: Well, like.
You kind of do all the work.
That sounds so fucking bad.
Mr Sno: It really does.
Mrs Sno: But you know what I mean, like, I don't.
I don't see myself, and this is just the reality of me in my life and what I really,
truly don't. I don't see myself.
Seeking that out.
Mr Sno: No, I get it. But that's why I post it in the scenario the way that I did.
Mrs Sno: Yeah, but I don't see meaning.
I don't see myself having an individual conversation with this individual, like, you
know what I mean? Like outside of just kind of, hey, how's your day going, blah blah,
blah, blah, blah blah. And they may say, hey, can I come over?
Well, let me talk to my husband like it would.
It would immediately kind of be a weird decision, not a me decision.
Mr Sno: Well, yeah. No, I'm totally good with that.
I'm totally good with the weird decision part of it.
Yeah, but let's say he texted you I'm away on a trip.
Yeah, but I.
Mrs Sno: Don't think I'd want.
Mr Sno: Him over. Oh, you just say no.
Mrs Sno: I just think, yeah, he's not home.
It's not really. No.
Okay. Because. And the other thing is, is.
When you are gone.
Yeah. Me personally.
Yeah. I am not ever in that sexual place.
Rarely am I in that sexual place.
Okay? Like you and I may sext or flirt or whatever, but, like, there's no part of me
when I'm kind of in the like.
I'm like, full time mom, full time work, getting groceries, cleaning the house, doing
laundry. Like, there's no part of me that thinks I want to get my rocks off.
Like it just doesn't.
Maybe there's something wrong with me.
I don't know, but, like, it just doesn't.
It's just so far off my radar.
Yeah, when I'm in that space.
Yeah.
Mr Sno: Well, we've talked about that with with head space, you know, and and modes and.
Mrs Sno: And maybe it's maybe with the dynamic in our relationship and the fact that, you know, you
travel and it's like I'm fully on.
Right, right.
And I know you've noticed that when you come home like I'm off, right?
Like I have the ability to, to to just not do anything.
Right. But like when you are not here, I am 100% fully engaged in life outside of this.
Yeah, so I don't so the idea of solo play for me is not really solo in the same way it
is for you, or it would be for you, right?
Um. Yeah.
Mr Sno: You know what? That what kind of occurs to me now is I think about it.
Mrs Sno: Like I have no desire to go on a date with anybody.
Mr Sno: Why? Why is that?
Not that it wouldn't. I mean, like, it wouldn't be fun.
Mrs Sno: I have the opposite in that.
Like, I don't need an emotional connection to fuck you.
But I'm also scared to engage in an emotional connection with somebody else.
Scared may not be the right word, but like, I don't.
The reason why I don't want to connect with somebody is because I don't want to.
I don't I don't want to I don't want to open that can.
Mr Sno: So okay, so this is actually really interesting because the what you just
described is a big part of my feelings about poly, right?
This idea of joining into a relationship with a person that is not you, a romantic
relationship that is not you scares me because in my mind it threatens what we have.
Correct?
Mrs Sno: Absolutely.
Mr Sno: Do you feel like if you started engaging with people that that that it could.
Mrs Sno: I think it could.
Yes, I think it could have the potential to I don't I mean, there's a part of me that's
like it wouldn't because you and I are pretty solid, right?
But why fuck with it?
Like, you know what I mean?
Like, do I think it would really impact it?
No. But do I think that there's a a chance there's more of a risk if I do that than not?
Right. Do you know what I mean?
So no, I, I'm perfectly like, I want to fuck you.
I want to use you and have fun and all the things and that's it.
Okay. Like, that's that's just me though.
Mr Sno: So with that.
But this is like with that fear in mind.
Mhm. Why don't you have the same worry or fear with me going out with another woman?
Mrs Sno: Because I know her.
Not that I don't have, but I also know you.
I mean, I it's because I am so secure in our relationship.
Mr Sno: So do you kind of feel like you trust yourself less than you trust me?
Mrs Sno: It's not that I. It's not about trusting myself.
I just don't I don't think I have the emotional bandwidth to even.
Attempt to have any type of emotional relationship with somebody else.
Mr Sno: Yeah.
Mrs Sno: Not saying that it would rise to the intimacy level that we have.
But I just I just don't.
You are all of my emotional bandwidth.
Mr Sno: I'm very needy.
Mrs Sno: That's not. That's not what I meant.
Mr Sno: I mean.
Mrs Sno: You fucking are.
But that's not what I meant.
But you and our life.
Yeah. And our family and all of the things that are.
That is my emotional bandwidth and that it's full.
That emotional bandwidth card is full, right?
And I'm content with it.
I'm more than content with it. I'm very pleased with it.
Right. So when I think about engaging in the lifestyle or solo play or whatever it is
purely of, of of physical fun, social thing.
Mr Sno: Yeah. And it's funny because I'm similar this, this whole solo play thing in a way for
me. Is kind of an experiment for me because I'm curious where my own.
Well boundaries are with this.
So far, our engagement in the lifestyle has been as a pair.
Right. It's been you and I engaging with the lifestyle together.
Like even though there's other people involved.
It's something that you and I are doing together for our own fun.
Mm. And then.
Then we're kind of done with it.
Mm. Um.
This experiment for me is partly.
To find out.
Is that all of the fun or all of the experience that I'm looking to have?
Or am I looking to have more than that?
Mrs Sno: Yeah. Well, the other thing when I think about you asked, do I trust myself less than
you? I mean, I think part of it is I don't even know how to how do I, how I want to
articulate this, I.
Don't think.
It's not about my relationship with the person, it's about the impact it would have
on you.
Mr Sno: Okay. Expand.
Meaning?
Mrs Sno: You go engage with another woman and you have an emotional connection with that.
I feel like.
I could handle you coming back and saying, I don't want to do that.
I feel like this is kind of bordering on whatever.
Like, I feel like I could handle that.
Okay. And it's not that, but I don't.
Not that you couldn't, but I just think that would hurt you deeper than it would hurt me
if.
Mr Sno: I came back and said, I don't want to do this.
Mrs Sno: Meaning if I engaged in a relationship with somebody else and I was starting to struggle
with feelings with that person, I think that would be more hurtful to you than it would be
to me.
Mr Sno: Yeah, it would be so.
Mrs Sno: And I don't want to hurt you.
Mr Sno: Yeah, no, I get that, um, and I obviously I appreciate that.
Right. So one of the things that this person who I was talking to about their poly
relationship described a situation where.
So it's it's he and his wife and another couple who are also married, and they are
each other's boyfriends and girlfriends.
Mhm. Okay.
If you can imagine the the ex there.
Now. He described a day where the other guy messaged him and said, hey.
They were using names.
But hey, your wife is having a really bad day.
I can't manage to cheer her up.
Um, you might want to reach out and just check on her and make sure she's okay.
And he did.
And that was helpful.
And he described it as, um, it was almost like we were a team.
And I think about that.
And I think that's really honestly it's kind of beautiful.
Mrs Sno: Well, but if you can have that, if you can have that level of intimacy and trust and
relationship with more than one man like that, that's all good, right?
But with that also comes potentially a lot of other complications.
Mr Sno: It does. And as I was pondering that in our own context, and like if you had a boyfriend
and the boyfriend messaged me and said something like that.
I think I'd struggle with it.
Mrs Sno: Yeah, because I agree.
Mr Sno: Here's the thing I am perfectly happy and I don't like to use the word share you as
though somehow you you belong to me.
But I don't want to share.
Like I like sharing you sexually, right?
I don't want to share you romantically or emotionally.
Right. And I agree with you in that let's say there were a guy that you had fun with.
Liked. You guys were friends and you were play partners.
I think I'd be okay with that.
To a point.
Yeah. You know, if you guys went out and talked about life and had drinks and and
played, I really do think I'd be okay with that.
But if you guys were texting each other and calling, if you had a bad day and you called
him and not me, I think that's the day it would upset me.
Mhm. I think that's the day it would upset me.
Mrs Sno: Right. And I don't.
And I just don't think I'd want to even I don't think I'd want to even toy with that.
Mr Sno: I understand the idea of I very much get that because that's how I feel about the poly
thing. We're not going down that road.
But. Polly just scares me.
And I know there are people who do it very well, and they do it very successfully.
And I'm not down on Polly.
Mrs Sno: I've no doubt that just like any relationship, a poly relationship can just be
that much more complicated sometimes.
Mr Sno: Well, and that's just it. I think for me, when I look at a poly relationship, I am
afraid of it.
And it is its fear because it's like, well, what if this gets out of hand?
Mrs Sno: But what if one person decides they don't like anybody?
Mr Sno: Or what if or what if my wife and the other guy.
Decide that they're so into each other that they don't need us anymore.
And you know what I mean?
Like, you're absolutely playing with emotional fire.
Yeah, I really think you are.
Um. So I think and that's where going back to this scenario with me and playing solo and
whatnot. I think that's what I've been a little bit nervous about.
Not that.
I don't worry that I'm going to catch feelings, so to speak.
Um, I'm not worried that she is either.
Mhm. But it does.
It does.
Make me kind of stop and say, ah.
Is this okay to do?
Mrs Sno: Yeah. Well, and I think.
It is okay.
By by by me, I mean by our between us.
Yeah. Um, I think part of it is reassuring yourself in your own way.
Right? Right.
Um, but also being honest with yourself in that.
Whether I'm okay with it or not.
If you get to that point and it's.
You're too much in your head about it or you're really second guessing it, despite you
know what you've been told and you just don't feel comfortable with it, then that's
something that you have to be honest with yourself about, right?
Mr Sno: You know what I said to her?
And this is this is me.
I did this on purpose and this is me kind of protecting myself.
Because I told you about the confidence thing in me, and I feel like I've kind of
gone backwards.
I specifically asked her.
I said, hey, listen, if we get to a point where play is like on the table or.
Going to happen or whatever.
Please promise me that you won't do it unless you really want to.
Yeah. Because I think it's very common.
We've run into this in the lifestyle where sometimes.
You just go along with it?
Mrs Sno: Yeah. Oh, I've been guilty of that.
You know.
Mr Sno: And I think where I'm at, confidence wise and so on and so forth, I think.
I don't I don't want a bad experience again.
Like, I don't want, uh, a bad, you know, kind of a matte type experience if it's not
going to be fun.
And we're not really both into it, I don't want to do it at all.
Yeah. You know, and it felt kind of weird asking her that.
Mrs Sno: Yeah, but I think because you and her and the four of us have had these conversations and
she's aware and understanding of kind of the all the thoughts.
Right? I mean, I think she's.
Yeah. No, she took it.
I don't get the sense that she would do that anyway.
Mr Sno: No, I prob probably I hope not, probably not.
Um, but we'll see how it goes.
So this conversation.
We we kind of intentionally didn't have this conversation until now.
Um. Um.
And it seemed like a perfect opportunity to share this conversation with our listeners
because we we talk up all the time about how communication is important.
Yeah, this conversation we're having now, we're really having for the first time, I
almost want to say like, this is what it should sound like.
Yeah. When you have these conversations.
Yeah.
Mrs Sno: Well, like how vulnerable you need to be, like, it's okay to be vulnerable, but it's
also okay to be relieved to have them or.
I mean, it's there's a lot of anxiety that sometimes builds up in these types of
conversations right before you have them and even during to some degree.
Um, but if you can't kind of lean into that a little bit and try to just work through it
and press on with your person.
When we talk about dynamics, that's like the root of all of this, right?
You know, and it's it's a it's like this ever evolving.
Living, breathing thing.
You know, it is.
Mr Sno: Because it changes.
Mrs Sno: It changes. And and so it's so important with with all of that change and evolution, if you
will, that you have these conversations and you revisit these conversations.
Right. Because right now this is where we're feeling and this is how we're at.
Cool. Well, next week when you have this, after you have this experience and maybe we
have another experience or whatever and certain things come up, we're going to have
another conversation and maybe things will be different.
Mr Sno: Right.
Mrs Sno: And that's okay.
So you have to kind of be willing not only to have the conversation, but also be willing
to adapt and, and, and potentially change and be open to the fact that I know I said I
was okay with this, but after thinking about it and after having this thought or this
experience, now I'm thinking this.
Mr Sno: Right, well, and that's it too.
I you know, I wanted to mention and I know you know that.
I hope you would text me or something, or even call me if at some point in the evening
if you said, hey, listen, I really am not comfortable with all this.
Yeah, I don't want this to happen.
Sure, that would be perfectly fine, right?
Right. Um, and the the only answer you'll get back is no problem.
Yeah. Yeah.
Um. I admit I will be checking my phone less.
After. Penetration.
Mrs Sno: Oh, good to know, good to know.
Mr Sno: I'm not gonna have my phone in my hand just in case.
But I'll leave the ringer on, I don't know.
Mrs Sno: Yeah. All right.
Will you leave the ringer on?
Mr Sno: I don't know, maybe.
Mrs Sno: Probably not. But if it's in your pants pocket by the door, you know it's not gonna
happen.
Mr Sno: Oh, baby, I didn't hear it ring.
Mrs Sno: No, but I hear that.
And I get that, and I know that that's true.
Um. I guess I would just want.
So do you.
Mr Sno: Do you want to know like.
Mrs Sno: Well, I would want to know if you're going to go play the play.
Mr Sno: By play, like, do you want to know?
Mrs Sno: I don't want to know when you stick it in and when you pull it out, when you stick it back
in. No, but I think I do want to know.
Mr Sno: Okay. It's back in. Oh, wait.
Hold on, hold on. I'm readjusting.
Oh, we're changing position.
Leg cramp.
Mrs Sno: Fucking leg cramps. Um, I think I, I, I do want to know if you if you guys are going to
go play. Yeah, yeah.
Mr Sno: And let me ask you, I understand that because I'd want to know too.
But why do you want to know?
Like, why do you want that particular message?
Mrs Sno: I don't know. I just want to know.
Yeah.
Mr Sno: Yeah, I don't know because.
Mrs Sno: I the same way. Because you know what it is.
Because I want, you know what it is.
Because I need to be prepared for when you come home.
Mr Sno: Oh, how would you prepare differently?
Mrs Sno: Well, if you played, I would think there would potentially be a little bit more of an
intimate connection when you got back.
Oh, versus if you were just doing drinks and I would just go to bed.
However, if you were to play, you may come home to me naked on the bed, you know what I
mean?
Mr Sno: Am I am I putting on my comfy sweatpants or am I putting on leggings?
Right. Okay.
I'm going to tell you we're playing either way.
Mrs Sno: Yeah no I know.
Um, well.
And just common courtesy.
Like, you know, when are you going to be home by, like, just to kind of get an idea.
Mr Sno: Right. So some of the, the people that have responded to this on discord and on Twitter,
because I put messages in both places about solo play and how this works with other
couples. Um.
The. The I got a lot of common responses in that communication is always the key.
Everyone agrees with that.
Oh yeah. Um, there was one message that came in from.
Lee. That was interesting.
He mentioned a couple that they know they have a 24 hour rule, which is interesting to
me. I would not be down with this, but their rule among themselves is they have 24 hours
to disclose to the other person when play has happened.
So it's kind of like after the fact.
Mrs Sno: Oh, so they have no knowledge beforehand?
Mr Sno: They maybe not.
Mrs Sno: Maybe not.
Mr Sno: Maybe, like, I guess I should say like not necessarily.
Um, but within 24 hours of play happening, they have to have told the other person.
Mrs Sno: Yeah.
Mr Sno: No, that's to me.
I want to know ahead of time.
Um, partly because it's exciting.
Mrs Sno: Well, part of what you get out of it is not.
It's that knowing like.
Mr Sno: If you if the situation, the roles were reversed and you were going out with a guy,
first of all, that would turn me the fuck on, like right out of the gate.
Um, you're going out with a guy I want to know.
Like, every time you get up and go to the bathroom, I want an update.
Like, how's it going?
Are you having fun?
Has he touched your leg yet?
Mrs Sno: You know, did we talk about how fucking needy you are?
Mr Sno: Did we talk about how needy I am?
Mrs Sno: I'm like, yeah, whatever. I'll text you a couple times.
You're like, I want to know every fucking day.
Mr Sno: I want to know every fucking moment.
And then like I if once I got the message from you like, hey, we're going to go play or
we're going back to his place or whatever the message might be, I have had millions of
examples in my imagination.
This has gone so many ways in my head.
Uh, it would, I would, I would just be.
I would be beside myself, distracted by it.
When we first started way back in the very early, early days in the before times.
Yeah, okay.
Mrs Sno: Before. Before lifestyle after.
Mr Sno: Lifestyle before lifestyle after lifestyle.
In the before times.
When we first got into this and we were on kick, which everybody was on kick, that was
the messenger app.
It's splintered now, but.
You were chatting with guys back then?
Mrs Sno: Yeah.
Mr Sno: And I that we had just gotten into this.
I had kind of screened a guy and you were now starting to talk to this person, and I
was going on a business trip.
So I was getting on an airplane.
And you.
I knew you were talking to this guy.
And I knew that it was kind of naughty.
And then I got on an airplane and I had to turn my fucking phone off.
I spent the next three hours in the most delicious torture of my life.
And then I got on the ground and I turned on my phone, like, really fast.
And I'm like, oh my God, what's been happening?
What's been happening? And you were at the grocery store texting with this guy.
Mhm. And you got so horny that you just abandoned it and went home and got off.
Mhm.
Mrs Sno: That's true. That was definitely my younger years but that.
Mr Sno: Oh that's so hot though.
Mrs Sno: Yeah, I get it.
And it is hot. I guess I just, I don't like I don't have any desire to do that anymore.
I don't it's really what it comes down to.
I feel like I'm like this old fuddy duddy, but like, I just I don't have the emotional
bandwidth to engage with, with men.
That are not like in my present.
Like like I don't want to text you all day.
Mr Sno: Right, right, right. You want that more physical, personal connection.
Mrs Sno: And I even feel that way sometimes with you, like, you and I have that conversation, like,
sometimes I don't want to text you.
I just want to have a conversation and fuck you.
Speaker3: Damn.
Mrs Sno: Do you know what I mean? Like, I and I am not.
I'm really bad at foreplay sometimes because I just want to get to it.
It's the same kind of I'm.
You are gratifying.
Mr Sno: Yourself so hard on this podcast today.
Mrs Sno: This is the problem with having these conversations before you have these
conversations. God damn it, you just wanted to pay me in a bad light.
Mr Sno: I you've said it all yourself.
Mrs Sno: Yeah, you set this up.
But I just.
It's such a it's such a physical thing for me.
Yeah, and I'm not.
I don't want to make it seem like I don't like you can defend me a little here.
Like. I mean, I'm not, like, 100%.
No foreplay, no nothing.
But I don't know, like, there there are times and places for both and and the the
foreplay and the intimacy and the sensuality is not something I want to do with anybody
else but you.
Mr Sno: I think when it comes down to for you is the.
Use. Okay, so here's where I'm going to challenge this.
For one thing I understand because I know you the whole texting chatting thing doesn't
turn you on, right?
That's just not exciting for you.
Right. And and that's perfectly fine.
I know plenty of people who will say, I do not have time to sit there and message all
day.
Mrs Sno: Long, I don't.
Mr Sno: Yeah. And and I absolutely get that.
Here's where I'm going to challenge you.
And I am 100% right on this.
Mrs Sno: So we're just going to come in like that 100%.
Mr Sno: So you say I only want to do that with you.
Bullshit. If we were at a restaurant or a bar or whatever, and there was another guy
and he was paying attention to you, but.
Mrs Sno: I'm not texting him. He's physically there, I get it.
Mr Sno: But that's my point. So we're at the bar.
There's some other are at a club or wherever we are, there's some other guy paying
attention to you and flirting with you.
You are going to go with that 100% every time.
Because you love.
Mrs Sno: That. I didn't say I wasn't going to do that.
I just said, like, I don't want to fucking text you all day.
Mr Sno: Well, what you what you did say, and I don't think you meant it was I would I only want to
do that with you. And that's not the truth.
Mrs Sno: But it's different.
There is a difference between, like, rolling around and making out and being sensual.
Mr Sno: I'm talking about even before then.
Like in the. In the club or in the bar.
In the restaurant with you two flirting and dancing and you know.
Right.
Mrs Sno: But that that's not the same thing that I'm talking about though.
Mr Sno: But when you talk about.
But see, that's what I'm getting at.
You always say, I'm so bad at foreplay, I don't like foreplay or whatever.
That's not even true.
Because you're very good at foreplay.
You're very good at flirting.
Mrs Sno: I'm very bad at naked foreplay.
Mr Sno: You are. I mean, once the clothes come off, you definitely want to fuck, but, like.
Mrs Sno: So that's what it is. I'm bad at naked.
Mr Sno: But you are very, very good at clothed foreplay.
And I think you very much underestimate the value of clothed foreplay.
Mrs Sno: I think there's probably some truth to that because.
Because I kind of picture foreplay as naked for like, no, when I think of foreplay, I
think of it more in the naked sense than in the clothed sense.
Mr Sno: Right. And it can be.
But for me, see, and this is where I think you and I differ, you know, and this goes
back to my whole connection with people and everything else.
I have to have that playful build up.
That playful build up sometimes for us starts in the morning and goes all day.
Yeah. Um, it can happen starting at the bar.
It can start whatever.
It's. It's those flirty looks, it's jokes.
It's physical, bumpy contact here and there.
It's all that stuff for me.
That's foreplay.
Um, you know, it doesn't have.
You don't have to tickle my balls with a feather, you know?
I mean, not that I'll turn you away if you do, but.
But truly that foreplay piece.
And you're very good at that.
And I think you would very much enjoy doing that with someone else.
Mrs Sno: Yes. Okay.
That's fair, that's fair.
But I guess in my head there is a difference between like intimate.
Like sexy time than sport fucking.
Mr Sno: Well, there's. I agree with you.
I mean, you're not going to make love with somebody else.
No. Right.
That there is a difference in that Penguin.
You're my. Yeah, I'm a I'm a good penguin.
Somebody brought that up on Twitter the other day.
We were talking about, like, quote, stickers that people might want.
And somebody was like, I'm gonna be a good penguin.
Mrs Sno: And if you don't try to be a good penguin.
Mr Sno: If you don't get that reference, you're a shitty fan.
Mrs Sno: I don't think we should, I don't think listen, you're right.
Mr Sno: We can't afford that. Come back, come back, come back!
I didn't mean.
Speaker3: It. God.
Mr Sno: All right, well, listen, I think we've beaten this horse as badly as we can, but.
Yeah, I'm going on a date tomorrow.
Mrs Sno: Yeah.
Mr Sno: And I might get laid.
It might not, though.
Mrs Sno: Might not? Probably not.
Mr Sno: Oh, God. Here we go.
Confidence battle number ten.
Speaker3: No no.
Mrs Sno: No no. You'll get laid.
You just might get laid by me.
Maybe it's Monday.
Gotta. You gotta fuck. Your wife won't want.
Speaker3: Oh my God.
Mrs Sno: Sorry.
Speaker3: Not sorry.
Mr Sno: Okay, well, if you're still there.
Listener. Thank you.
We're going to go now.
We have to get back to our muggle vanilla lives.
Mrs Sno: Vanilla lives. Oh, yeah.
Well, we do, don't we?
Mr Sno: But we'll talk to you next time.
Speaker3: Yeah.
Mrs Sno: oHappy Thursday.
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