1 00:00:00,110 --> 00:00:03,290 Mrs Sno: You're listening to scheduling sin with me. 2 00:00:03,290 --> 00:00:04,130 SnoMilf. 3 00:00:04,460 --> 00:00:08,150 Mr Sno: This conversation we're having now, we're really having for the first time. 4 00:00:08,630 --> 00:00:11,270 I almost want to say like, this is what it should sound like. 5 00:00:11,270 --> 00:00:17,390 Yeah. When you have these conversations, I am not a hey, you're hot, let's fuck person. 6 00:00:17,390 --> 00:00:19,370 Yeah, I thought I was. 7 00:00:19,370 --> 00:00:20,690 Yeah, well, hello Mrs. 8 00:00:20,690 --> 00:00:21,140 Sno. 9 00:00:21,140 --> 00:00:23,150 Mrs Sno: Well, hello, Mr. Sno, how are you? 10 00:00:23,850 --> 00:00:25,110 I'm good, I'm good. 11 00:00:25,140 --> 00:00:26,010 How are you? 12 00:00:26,010 --> 00:00:27,750 Mr Sno: I'm good. Today is kind of an exciting episode. 13 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:29,910 Mrs Sno: It is an exciting episode. 14 00:00:29,910 --> 00:00:34,020 Mr Sno: So before we get to that, we have a few housekeeping items to take care of. 15 00:00:34,050 --> 00:00:39,600 Yeah. Um, one is that we are toying around with starting a Patreon. 16 00:00:39,930 --> 00:00:41,190 Mrs Sno: Yeah, I. 17 00:00:43,620 --> 00:00:45,840 Mr. Sno just wants to monetize my tits. 18 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:47,280 Mr Sno: Well, a little bit. 19 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:49,140 So it's a little. 20 00:00:49,140 --> 00:00:52,050 We have not monetized the show, right? 21 00:00:52,050 --> 00:00:54,870 And that's perfectly fine. 22 00:00:54,870 --> 00:00:56,850 That's really not our goal. 23 00:00:57,210 --> 00:01:00,450 Um, but there is cost with putting the show on. 24 00:01:01,410 --> 00:01:05,280 Mrs Sno: Well, and let's be real, people want merch, people want merch. 25 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:08,670 Mr Sno: So we are going to explore Patreon. 26 00:01:08,670 --> 00:01:16,050 And we're not entirely sure within the, the, uh, the guidelines about what's allowed on 27 00:01:16,050 --> 00:01:17,940 Patreon, we're still kind of working that out. 28 00:01:18,900 --> 00:01:20,850 Um, however. 29 00:01:21,830 --> 00:01:27,140 Uh, we definitely are going to have some exclusive content on Patreon, and we think 30 00:01:27,140 --> 00:01:31,400 we're going to have some access to some merch, which we've talked about doing merch 31 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:33,890 for a long time with, like, quote stickers and stuff like that. 32 00:01:33,890 --> 00:01:37,640 Yeah. And I think Patreon might help us to do that. 33 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:39,620 So keep an eye on that space. 34 00:01:39,620 --> 00:01:43,490 The links will be in the show notes, um, as that comes together. 35 00:01:43,490 --> 00:01:46,430 And I think you can just search on Patreon for us too. 36 00:01:46,430 --> 00:01:47,210 Mrs Sno: I would think. 37 00:01:47,210 --> 00:01:48,440 Mr Sno: And look that way. 38 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:51,410 Yeah. The, uh, the subscription is cheap. 39 00:01:51,410 --> 00:01:55,100 I think there's only one level that we have in there right now, and that's $3 a month. 40 00:01:55,870 --> 00:01:59,710 Mrs Sno: You know you want to monetize my tits, but $3 a month seems insulting. 41 00:01:59,740 --> 00:02:00,160 Well. 42 00:02:01,990 --> 00:02:07,270 Mr Sno: I mean that that's fair, but I think we have to start at a modest level. 43 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:10,300 Uh, and just see what we're able to keep up with. 44 00:02:10,540 --> 00:02:12,520 So that's that's coming. 45 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:21,490 Um, in other news, we got a fantastic a fantastic first single guy approach on SLS. 46 00:02:21,490 --> 00:02:24,100 Mrs Sno: Oh, yeah. This was this was like one for the books. 47 00:02:24,670 --> 00:02:29,020 Mr Sno: Yeah. It was you know, we've gotten a bunch of the ones, we've gotten a bunch of, uh. 48 00:02:29,020 --> 00:02:31,090 Hey, can I come fuck your wife. 49 00:02:31,090 --> 00:02:32,860 Mrs Sno: Without even saying hello? 50 00:02:32,860 --> 00:02:34,180 Mr Sno: Not even saying hello? Know what I mean? 51 00:02:34,180 --> 00:02:35,350 Not. Hey, just. Can I come. 52 00:02:35,350 --> 00:02:36,580 Mrs Sno: Fuck your wife? How are you doing? 53 00:02:36,580 --> 00:02:38,320 Let me fuck your wife, right? 54 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:39,730 Right. Yeah. It was just. 55 00:02:39,730 --> 00:02:40,810 Mr Sno: Yeah. No, this one's better. 56 00:02:40,810 --> 00:02:41,950 It was two words. 57 00:02:41,980 --> 00:02:42,250 Mrs Sno: Um. 58 00:02:42,250 --> 00:02:43,510 Mr Sno: She fertile. 59 00:02:43,510 --> 00:02:45,790 Mrs Sno: She fertile. Um, like, wasn't even a question. 60 00:02:46,210 --> 00:02:47,170 I mean, it wasn't even a question. 61 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:48,250 Mr Sno: Officially a question mark. 62 00:02:48,250 --> 00:02:48,580 Yeah. 63 00:02:48,970 --> 00:02:51,970 Mrs Sno: And I mean, if for nothing else, the grammar was just bad, right? 64 00:02:51,970 --> 00:02:54,250 Like, you can't even, like, form a full sentence or. 65 00:02:54,430 --> 00:02:54,670 Oh, this. 66 00:02:54,670 --> 00:02:57,190 Mr Sno: Got this guy got literally zero points. 67 00:02:57,190 --> 00:02:57,970 Yeah. None. 68 00:02:57,970 --> 00:03:03,400 Mrs Sno: I mean, and the fact that you asked if I'm fertile is just a whole level of creepy. 69 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:04,630 Oh, it's full cringe. 70 00:03:04,630 --> 00:03:06,310 Mr Sno: It's like full cringe. 71 00:03:06,820 --> 00:03:08,770 Bad, 100% cringe. 72 00:03:08,770 --> 00:03:10,990 Mrs Sno: I just I can't yeah, but I. 73 00:03:10,990 --> 00:03:12,280 Mr Sno: Have so many questions. 74 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:16,600 Mrs Sno: Well, I do too. I mean, first of all, is this like, has he tried this approach with 75 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:22,210 multiple people? And I'm curious as to like how much response has this person gotten? 76 00:03:22,210 --> 00:03:23,140 Well, and. 77 00:03:23,140 --> 00:03:28,750 Mr Sno: Let's say let's just say for sake of argument, I had responded with, oh hell yeah. 78 00:03:28,750 --> 00:03:30,070 Mrs Sno: Oh yeah. She's super fertile. 79 00:03:30,070 --> 00:03:31,150 Yeah. Super fertile. 80 00:03:31,150 --> 00:03:32,530 Fucking fertile as hell. 81 00:03:32,950 --> 00:03:34,720 Mr Sno: What comes next? 82 00:03:35,450 --> 00:03:36,470 Mrs Sno: He does, I mean. 83 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:43,190 Mr Sno: Really? Okay, that was funny. 84 00:03:43,580 --> 00:03:45,770 Um, okay. 85 00:03:45,950 --> 00:03:47,990 Yeah. Right. 86 00:03:47,990 --> 00:03:53,510 But I but I'm saying, is it like, well, can I come impregnate her? 87 00:03:54,540 --> 00:03:55,170 Mrs Sno: Yeah. 88 00:03:55,170 --> 00:03:57,210 Mr Sno: Like is that is that the question? 89 00:03:57,210 --> 00:04:02,550 Is the question literally asking, can I come impregnate your wife? 90 00:04:03,910 --> 00:04:06,310 Mrs Sno: I mean, I would assume so. 91 00:04:06,310 --> 00:04:09,520 Like, why else would you ask about someone's fertility if that's not the goal there, 92 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:13,750 right? You know, sometimes I think we should engage with these people just to kind of fuck 93 00:04:13,750 --> 00:04:17,080 with them, just to game it out, just to game it out, just just to have a better story. 94 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:18,280 Right. Because now we don't know. 95 00:04:18,280 --> 00:04:21,490 Right. I think we should be able to ask these questions, um, and invite them on the 96 00:04:21,490 --> 00:04:24,670 podcast and be like, tell me about why this is your approach. 97 00:04:24,670 --> 00:04:28,690 Yeah. Um, kind of like how you want to always fuck with telemarketers. 98 00:04:28,690 --> 00:04:30,130 Yeah, yeah. Same thing. 99 00:04:30,130 --> 00:04:31,900 Mr Sno: Yeah. Well, right. 100 00:04:31,900 --> 00:04:36,100 And of course, of course, this message arrived at three in the morning. 101 00:04:36,100 --> 00:04:37,030 Mrs Sno: Well, yeah. 102 00:04:37,030 --> 00:04:38,680 Mr Sno: I mean, that's when this message arrives, right? 103 00:04:38,950 --> 00:04:40,360 Because this guy, this isn't this. 104 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:42,460 Mrs Sno: This guy is not working at two in the afternoon. 105 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:47,740 Mr Sno: Oh, gosh. No. He is sitting on his couch at three in the morning drunk on Wild Turkey 106 00:04:47,740 --> 00:04:49,180 with his dick in his hand. 107 00:04:49,180 --> 00:04:51,670 Yeah. Just sending messages to people. 108 00:04:52,060 --> 00:04:54,670 Mrs Sno: I mean, I don't know, sound like a bad Saturday night, but. 109 00:04:56,110 --> 00:04:57,520 Mr Sno: Yeah, come to think of it. 110 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:01,690 Mrs Sno: Well, he's in the basement somewhere, I'm sure, and he's unemployed and who knows all 111 00:05:01,690 --> 00:05:02,620 of the things, who knows? 112 00:05:02,620 --> 00:05:04,990 Mr Sno: But yeah, so that was a new low. 113 00:05:05,170 --> 00:05:05,350 Um. 114 00:05:05,350 --> 00:05:11,050 Mrs Sno: That's fun. We are also in the process of redoing our basement to have more of a 115 00:05:11,050 --> 00:05:16,930 studio. Yes, because we are and as we have for the last almost year now. 116 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:19,760 Would be the year in April. 117 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:21,890 Yeah. All right. So we're just shy of a year. 118 00:05:22,700 --> 00:05:26,450 Um, we have been sitting on our couch in our living room. 119 00:05:26,450 --> 00:05:31,730 Yeah, surrounded by all kinds of, you know, kid toys and random shit, which. 120 00:05:31,730 --> 00:05:32,750 Mr Sno: Has its benefits. 121 00:05:32,750 --> 00:05:35,990 It does, because the carpeted room and the couch and everything. 122 00:05:35,990 --> 00:05:41,090 The sound treatment's pretty good in here, but we have to set it up and tear it down all 123 00:05:41,090 --> 00:05:46,430 the time. So having a studio will enable us to keep everything all set up all the time. 124 00:05:46,430 --> 00:05:49,340 Yeah. And so we're pretty excited for that. 125 00:05:49,430 --> 00:05:53,300 And you're going to get a chance to see it on the Patreon I think. 126 00:05:53,300 --> 00:05:59,240 Mrs Sno: Right. Because I guess the, the first, uh, I mean, not first, but one of the suggestions 127 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:06,170 was basically doing our podcast as a video podcast, but as you can only see the my 128 00:06:06,170 --> 00:06:07,490 microphone and my tits. 129 00:06:07,490 --> 00:06:09,410 So I'm going to be doing a topless. 130 00:06:09,410 --> 00:06:11,810 Mr Sno: Yeah. Or close to it maybe, maybe. 131 00:06:11,810 --> 00:06:16,880 And I was thinking about it might be almost better if it were different bras. 132 00:06:17,150 --> 00:06:20,570 Oh right. Because then people could, like, check in and see what bras Mrs. 133 00:06:20,570 --> 00:06:21,830 Sno wearing this week. 134 00:06:21,950 --> 00:06:27,860 Mrs Sno: Interesting. Okay, so and then maybe as part of the Patreon, we can sell the bras. 135 00:06:28,310 --> 00:06:29,690 Mr Sno: See this? 136 00:06:29,690 --> 00:06:31,220 This this is a moneymaker. 137 00:06:31,220 --> 00:06:32,840 Mrs Sno: I mean, all I can say right here I am. 138 00:06:32,840 --> 00:06:33,260 We're going to. 139 00:06:33,260 --> 00:06:34,550 Mr Sno: Get rich on this. 140 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:36,890 Yeah. 141 00:06:37,130 --> 00:06:39,950 Mrs Sno: So rich, we're gonna be able to send our kids to college. 142 00:06:39,950 --> 00:06:41,600 Mr Sno: Oh my God. Okay. 143 00:06:42,890 --> 00:06:44,090 Mrs Sno: That's so fucked up. Oh my. 144 00:06:44,090 --> 00:06:45,830 Mr Sno: God. Okay. 145 00:06:45,830 --> 00:06:46,100 All right. 146 00:06:46,100 --> 00:06:46,370 Mrs Sno: So. 147 00:06:46,370 --> 00:06:54,080 Mr Sno: So the real subject of today's conversation, yeah, is that we are thinking about changing 148 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:55,520 our dynamic a little bit. 149 00:06:55,730 --> 00:07:00,380 Mrs Sno: Yeah. You know what's interesting about dynamics in regards to this journey? 150 00:07:00,860 --> 00:07:06,320 When you get into the naughty hobby, the lifestyle, etc., etc.. 151 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:14,660 Swinging. Um, I think, and at least for us, I feel like you spend a lot of time trying to 152 00:07:14,660 --> 00:07:16,550 figure out what your dynamic is. 153 00:07:16,790 --> 00:07:22,250 You know, like that's a huge part of this whole culture, this whole kind of process. 154 00:07:22,250 --> 00:07:26,990 And it's funny when you talk about dynamics because I think if you asked us day one what 155 00:07:26,990 --> 00:07:32,450 our dynamic is versus what it is, what it was yesterday, as opposed to what we want it 156 00:07:32,450 --> 00:07:35,810 to be, right? It clearly evolves and it changes quite a bit. 157 00:07:35,810 --> 00:07:40,940 And that's often kind of one of the first questions that come up when you meet a couple 158 00:07:40,940 --> 00:07:44,750 or you meet an individual you know, that you're engaged or wanting to engage with is 159 00:07:44,750 --> 00:07:46,250 what's your dynamic, right. 160 00:07:46,250 --> 00:07:47,630 That's the question that you get asked a lot. 161 00:07:48,050 --> 00:07:49,730 And sometimes people. 162 00:07:50,330 --> 00:07:53,690 Really know how to answer that question because I have a very. 163 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:55,280 They know what their dynamic is. 164 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:56,960 It's very set in stone for them. 165 00:07:56,960 --> 00:07:58,010 And it is what it is. 166 00:07:58,010 --> 00:08:01,970 And and sometimes you find people that don't really know how to answer that question. 167 00:08:01,970 --> 00:08:09,380 Mr Sno: So I think that phrase that you just said is kind of key to this conversation today, and 168 00:08:09,380 --> 00:08:11,840 that is in that whole set in stone concept. 169 00:08:12,110 --> 00:08:19,970 Right? Because we would have said that our rules were set in stone regarding we always 170 00:08:19,970 --> 00:08:21,020 want to play together. 171 00:08:21,050 --> 00:08:23,990 Mhm. Um, we never want to play a part. 172 00:08:23,990 --> 00:08:31,130 All those kinds of things. I would have said up until recently that that was a very set in 173 00:08:31,130 --> 00:08:33,230 stone idea. 174 00:08:33,260 --> 00:08:39,350 Mhm. And we're learning now that for us that evolution might be changing a little bit. 175 00:08:39,350 --> 00:08:41,060 Maybe it's not so set in stone. 176 00:08:41,060 --> 00:08:43,970 Mrs Sno: Well, and I think it's also this idea of. 177 00:08:44,700 --> 00:08:48,690 We are open to maybe looking or trying new things, but. 178 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:52,810 That may very well result in. 179 00:08:53,560 --> 00:08:55,360 Our dynamic staying the same. 180 00:08:55,690 --> 00:08:56,770 Mr Sno: It could. So. 181 00:08:56,770 --> 00:09:00,100 So I guess what we haven't said really is what we're thinking about changing. 182 00:09:00,100 --> 00:09:06,910 So what we're talking about changing is adding solo play to our dynamic. 183 00:09:06,910 --> 00:09:12,100 Mrs Sno: And there's and I feel like your definition of solo play and my definition is different. 184 00:09:12,370 --> 00:09:13,630 Mr Sno: Well that's interesting. 185 00:09:13,630 --> 00:09:15,010 Let's let's come back to that. 186 00:09:15,010 --> 00:09:19,240 But the reason that we're talking about adding solo play. 187 00:09:20,340 --> 00:09:24,090 Is sort of to overcome a problem. 188 00:09:24,090 --> 00:09:25,440 Mrs Sno: Oh, sure. Yep. 189 00:09:25,620 --> 00:09:27,180 Mr Sno: Well, I should say this. 190 00:09:27,180 --> 00:09:29,640 It's to overcome a problem for me and for you. 191 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:32,850 It's because I think it's super hot. 192 00:09:33,930 --> 00:09:36,480 Mrs Sno: So I mean, that's pretty much the dynamic. 193 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:38,280 That dynamic is very much the same. 194 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:38,490 Okay. 195 00:09:38,610 --> 00:09:40,680 Mr Sno: That's true. Let's talk about the me side of it. 196 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:45,180 So we've had a number of experiences swapping with other couples. 197 00:09:45,180 --> 00:09:48,900 Right. And they have been great. 198 00:09:48,900 --> 00:09:54,870 All the people that we have played with um, have been amazing and. 199 00:09:56,350 --> 00:10:02,950 But what? But what has happened in those scenarios that I have found for me is that it 200 00:10:02,950 --> 00:10:09,580 is difficult for me to focus on another play partner when you are playing at the same 201 00:10:09,580 --> 00:10:10,300 time. 202 00:10:10,300 --> 00:10:12,100 Mrs Sno: When I am playing at the same time, right? 203 00:10:12,100 --> 00:10:19,180 Mr Sno: What we have, what some people have suggested and we have not attempted at least to yet is 204 00:10:19,180 --> 00:10:21,430 different room like same time, different room. 205 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:25,350 Mhm. I think that would almost drive me more nuts. 206 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:30,690 Mrs Sno: Well, I think it was, you know, when we initially started, it was like we wanted to 207 00:10:30,690 --> 00:10:31,980 do full swap. 208 00:10:32,130 --> 00:10:33,210 Same room. 209 00:10:33,210 --> 00:10:40,530 Yes. And we had had those experiences and they were not what you would. 210 00:10:40,740 --> 00:10:43,500 I mean, like, it just didn't go the way you thought it was going to go. 211 00:10:43,500 --> 00:10:47,310 And there were a lot of things that came up for you that they were anticipating. 212 00:10:47,310 --> 00:10:47,700 There were. 213 00:10:47,700 --> 00:10:49,710 Mr Sno: And I think when we looked at doing full swap. 214 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:53,590 I'm not sure we really. 215 00:10:54,310 --> 00:11:01,860 Um. I'm not sure we really grasped even what that meant, and I'm wondering how common that 216 00:11:01,860 --> 00:11:06,030 is, because when I pictured a full swap. 217 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:10,330 And I don't think I actually realized this until we did it. 218 00:11:10,330 --> 00:11:13,660 And then later it kind of created problems. 219 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:17,300 I pictured full swap being free for all. 220 00:11:18,260 --> 00:11:19,040 Mrs Sno: Like an orgy. 221 00:11:19,910 --> 00:11:23,360 Mr Sno: Well, yeah, like kind of like a four person orgy, right? 222 00:11:23,690 --> 00:11:26,060 Mrs Sno: Not too. Not basically just swapping partners. 223 00:11:26,990 --> 00:11:27,650 Exactly. 224 00:11:27,650 --> 00:11:29,960 Mr Sno: Yeah, right. Like start to finish. 225 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:32,330 Full swap is is really not. 226 00:11:32,330 --> 00:11:34,370 It's just not how I imagined it. 227 00:11:34,370 --> 00:11:36,170 Mrs Sno: Right? Yeah. I mean, if you don't know, you don't know. 228 00:11:36,170 --> 00:11:36,440 Right. 229 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:37,730 Mr Sno: So yes. 230 00:11:37,730 --> 00:11:40,100 Mrs Sno: And I'm sure that there are some people that that would be the case. 231 00:11:40,100 --> 00:11:41,570 You know what I mean? It's just right. 232 00:11:41,570 --> 00:11:42,950 But so many things what has. 233 00:11:42,950 --> 00:11:46,040 Mr Sno: Come up in a couple of those circumstances. 234 00:11:46,680 --> 00:11:52,800 And this was something, and it was a bit of feedback that I've gotten, um, that, that I 235 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:54,030 didn't expect. 236 00:11:54,940 --> 00:12:00,520 And kind of stung a little bit, but as I've given it more thought, I understand it was 237 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:06,310 this idea that when I stopped paying attention to that other person. 238 00:12:06,890 --> 00:12:10,100 And started paying attention to you in that moment. 239 00:12:11,270 --> 00:12:16,460 That other person felt suddenly abandoned, left out right? 240 00:12:16,460 --> 00:12:22,580 Which really sucks because that was never my intent to make anybody feel like that. 241 00:12:22,910 --> 00:12:23,750 Um, you. 242 00:12:23,750 --> 00:12:28,010 Mrs Sno: Know, I think and of course, you say this out loud and it's like, well, of course it is. 243 00:12:28,010 --> 00:12:31,730 But you don't realize, you know, even though this is sport fucking right. 244 00:12:31,850 --> 00:12:33,770 Sometimes we think about it that way. 245 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:36,560 It's also still very vulnerable. 246 00:12:36,560 --> 00:12:40,730 It is, it is. I mean, you know, even though we have this idea that we go into this 247 00:12:40,730 --> 00:12:43,490 experience of we're just going to have sex, it's casual. 248 00:12:43,490 --> 00:12:47,600 It's there's there's really no emotional meaning to it, quote unquote. 249 00:12:48,290 --> 00:12:54,680 It doesn't change the fact that there's still emotions or vulnerabilities that come 250 00:12:54,680 --> 00:12:54,980 up. 251 00:12:54,980 --> 00:12:58,070 Mr Sno: Absolutely. You bring all of your personhood into this. 252 00:12:58,070 --> 00:12:58,790 Mrs Sno: Yeah. 253 00:12:58,790 --> 00:13:04,280 Mr Sno: And so in those scenarios, a couple times where that happened and I got this feedback 254 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:09,140 much later, which I appreciated receiving it. 255 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:13,070 I appreciated that they said something because I learned from it that I really 256 00:13:13,070 --> 00:13:14,360 didn't know. 257 00:13:14,810 --> 00:13:21,910 Um. Like I say, in that full swap scenario, I kind of viewed it as free flowing. 258 00:13:21,910 --> 00:13:24,340 That's how I pictured it, I think. 259 00:13:24,340 --> 00:13:30,540 What? Was expected or wanted for on the other side was that it really, truly was like 260 00:13:30,540 --> 00:13:32,280 a full swap start to finish. 261 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:33,690 Mrs Sno: Like you're with that person. 262 00:13:33,690 --> 00:13:34,230 You're with that. 263 00:13:34,230 --> 00:13:38,490 Mr Sno: Person, right? And the fact that the other two people might be there on the bed or in 264 00:13:38,490 --> 00:13:41,370 the room is sort of inconsequential, right? 265 00:13:41,370 --> 00:13:42,390 Mrs Sno: It's fun to watch. 266 00:13:42,390 --> 00:13:43,350 Whatever. But yeah. 267 00:13:43,350 --> 00:13:45,060 Mr Sno: But but that's not what you're doing. 268 00:13:45,060 --> 00:13:46,350 Mrs Sno: That's not that's not your focus. 269 00:13:46,350 --> 00:13:55,230 Mr Sno: Right. And so okay, I absolutely get that, um, bad on me, but I get that now. 270 00:13:55,230 --> 00:13:58,890 Yeah. But what I've also come to realize is that if Mrs. 271 00:13:58,890 --> 00:14:00,300 Sno is playing. 272 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:07,420 I have a really hard time not wanting to just watch that and engage with that. 273 00:14:07,420 --> 00:14:11,020 I and I think if you were playing at the same time in another room. 274 00:14:11,540 --> 00:14:16,790 I think it would almost be more of a mind fuck for me, because I would be completely 275 00:14:16,790 --> 00:14:20,390 distracted wondering what you're doing, what's going on in there? 276 00:14:20,390 --> 00:14:21,710 Who's fucking who? 277 00:14:21,740 --> 00:14:24,590 You know what I mean? Like, I think it really would be difficult. 278 00:14:24,590 --> 00:14:31,340 So this all came about because we're thinking about adding solo play in the 279 00:14:31,340 --> 00:14:36,500 situation where that I would play with the female of this other couple on our own. 280 00:14:36,500 --> 00:14:40,670 We're talking about potentially going, I hate to use the word date, because that's 281 00:14:40,670 --> 00:14:45,320 kind of a weird turn for me, but we're going to plan to go out and get a couple of drinks 282 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:48,080 and hang out, and then play might happen after that. 283 00:14:48,110 --> 00:14:50,060 Um, that you're not a part of. 284 00:14:50,060 --> 00:14:56,450 Mhm. And that would be the first time that I have been alone with another woman. 285 00:14:57,100 --> 00:14:58,150 Mrs Sno: In that context? 286 00:14:58,150 --> 00:14:59,650 Mr Sno: Yeah, in that context. 287 00:14:59,650 --> 00:15:02,170 In how old am I? 288 00:15:02,500 --> 00:15:09,460 100. In, in like, we're like, legitimately like close to 20 years. 289 00:15:09,670 --> 00:15:12,400 So I've got this is a real mind fuck for me. 290 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:18,400 Yeah. But the the purpose of doing this is to be able to focus completely on that other 291 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:25,870 person. And I'm hoping that if that is kind of developed, then if we all play again 292 00:15:25,870 --> 00:15:28,000 together, like I'm less distracted. 293 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:29,260 Mrs Sno: Well, you have more of a connection with the individual. 294 00:15:29,710 --> 00:15:30,700 The other individual. Yes. 295 00:15:30,700 --> 00:15:33,190 Mr Sno: Because that's the other thing I've learned about myself. 296 00:15:33,190 --> 00:15:38,170 Yeah. Is I am not a hey, you're hot, let's fuck person. 297 00:15:38,170 --> 00:15:40,150 Yeah I, I thought I was. 298 00:15:40,150 --> 00:15:42,340 Mrs Sno: Yeah. Well it's funny is I thought I wasn't. 299 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:45,250 Yeah that's definitely not the case. 300 00:15:45,250 --> 00:15:51,160 Mr Sno: Funny how that works. But when, when we started into this, I really thought I could 301 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:53,650 basically just play with anybody. 302 00:15:53,650 --> 00:15:54,280 Mrs Sno: Yeah. 303 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:55,510 Mr Sno: At the drop of a hat. 304 00:15:55,510 --> 00:16:02,050 Yeah. Because my frame of reference was when I was 18 and I could have fucked a screen 305 00:16:02,050 --> 00:16:02,770 door. 306 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:06,850 Mrs Sno: Yeah, well, what 18 year old male couldn't fuck a screen door? 307 00:16:06,850 --> 00:16:10,330 Mr Sno: But I'm learning as I reach the tender age of. 308 00:16:10,630 --> 00:16:11,110 Mrs Sno: Age. 309 00:16:11,110 --> 00:16:16,450 Mr Sno: 40 that I really need more of a connection with a person. 310 00:16:16,450 --> 00:16:19,240 Yeah, before that works for me. 311 00:16:19,420 --> 00:16:23,590 Mrs Sno: Um, so I think about it, you know, in the terms of, like the full swap thing, like. 312 00:16:24,100 --> 00:16:27,460 If you stop and think about it, it makes sense that you are kind of distracted by the 313 00:16:27,460 --> 00:16:29,260 one you have the emotional connection with. 314 00:16:29,290 --> 00:16:30,520 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 315 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:35,800 Mr Sno: Yeah, absolutely. So if I develop that connection and we're not talking about a poly 316 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:41,260 scenario, but if I develop that sort of sexual connection with another person, does 317 00:16:41,260 --> 00:16:43,990 that then translate into better group play? 318 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:48,550 Mrs Sno: Yeah. I mean it's kind of one of those things like you got to just try it and see, right? 319 00:16:48,550 --> 00:16:50,110 Mr Sno: Yeah. You got to try everything twice. 320 00:16:50,110 --> 00:16:50,620 Right. 321 00:16:50,620 --> 00:16:52,420 Mrs Sno: So, you know, it's interesting. 322 00:16:54,130 --> 00:16:56,560 You know, the idea of you going to play. 323 00:16:56,740 --> 00:17:03,370 If I stop and think about you doing solo play and what that means and how I feel about 324 00:17:03,370 --> 00:17:05,710 it. There's there's a part of me that's like. 325 00:17:07,490 --> 00:17:11,330 You have always been very like you go, if you want to go do that, you can do that. 326 00:17:11,330 --> 00:17:17,810 Right. And in our dynamic generally is like me getting the best sex of my life. 327 00:17:18,570 --> 00:17:19,890 It's been more about me. 328 00:17:19,890 --> 00:17:22,320 Mr Sno: It's more of a hot wife type dynamic for. 329 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:24,660 Mrs Sno: The most part. And so. 330 00:17:25,420 --> 00:17:32,980 I guess if I stop and I mean just just at a basic like fairness, right? 331 00:17:32,980 --> 00:17:37,390 You know, it's like I would be hypocritical to say, well, you I don't want, you know, 332 00:17:37,390 --> 00:17:42,520 like, the priority of you having the best sex of your life is of course, that's true, 333 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:45,870 but I don't. Like there's a part of me that's like, I can't. 334 00:17:45,870 --> 00:17:48,030 You can't say that, and then me not say that. 335 00:17:48,360 --> 00:17:50,400 Mr Sno: Well, and I think you have to be careful with that. 336 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:56,220 I get what you're saying on the fairness side, but I really would like to challenge 337 00:17:56,220 --> 00:18:01,980 that because just because I feel okay with it and feel comfortable with it does not mean 338 00:18:01,980 --> 00:18:04,290 that you are quote unquote supposed to know. 339 00:18:04,290 --> 00:18:06,510 I understand some concept of fairness. 340 00:18:06,510 --> 00:18:09,570 Mrs Sno: I understand that, but it's a feeling, right? 341 00:18:09,570 --> 00:18:13,650 It's a you know, you talk about going into this lifestyle together. 342 00:18:13,650 --> 00:18:17,490 This is about us, our relationship being closer together. 343 00:18:17,490 --> 00:18:18,210 Mr Sno: Right? 344 00:18:18,210 --> 00:18:20,490 Mrs Sno: The the concept of fairness. 345 00:18:20,490 --> 00:18:25,350 Or I can do this, but you can't or, you know, that's a piece of it. 346 00:18:25,350 --> 00:18:28,530 It is, you know, and that's something that you're going to consider and think about. 347 00:18:28,530 --> 00:18:32,550 And and it does that does part that is part of that mind fuck. 348 00:18:33,120 --> 00:18:36,720 So here's like, what kind of what kind of wife am I? 349 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:38,220 What kind of partner am I? 350 00:18:38,220 --> 00:18:42,420 If my husband, who's amazing and wonderful and wants me to have the best sex of my life 351 00:18:42,420 --> 00:18:45,870 and wants me to engage with all of these sexual experiences, but I'm like, nope, you 352 00:18:45,870 --> 00:18:46,530 can't. 353 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:47,880 Mr Sno: Nope. You can't. 354 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:52,920 Mrs Sno: But you know what I mean. Like you, that to me is just that to me has more of a potential 355 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:54,210 to cause resentment. 356 00:18:54,510 --> 00:19:00,000 Mr Sno: I get that I here's what I would here's what if like from my perspective, what I would ask 357 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:02,700 for from you on a fairness level. 358 00:19:02,970 --> 00:19:07,260 Right. I would ask for you to honestly consider it. 359 00:19:07,770 --> 00:19:08,940 Yeah, that's what I would ask for. 360 00:19:08,940 --> 00:19:11,790 Sure. I would not necessarily say that. 361 00:19:12,310 --> 00:19:16,570 If you think about it genuinely and decide that it's a no for you. 362 00:19:16,570 --> 00:19:18,280 Yeah, that that's unfair. 363 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:22,750 I wouldn't say that because, again, just because I feel a certain way doesn't mean you 364 00:19:22,750 --> 00:19:24,220 should, but. 365 00:19:24,870 --> 00:19:31,290 I. I think as a general matter of fairness, I think it is it is expected that both of us 366 00:19:31,290 --> 00:19:33,270 consider what the other person might want. 367 00:19:33,300 --> 00:19:37,320 Right. Honestly and honestly, like kind of analyze it for yourself. 368 00:19:37,350 --> 00:19:38,580 Yeah. So. 369 00:19:39,410 --> 00:19:40,640 Here's where. 370 00:19:40,970 --> 00:19:47,270 So what we're planning on doing is that this woman and I would go out to dinner and then 371 00:19:47,270 --> 00:19:49,700 potentially play afterwards. 372 00:19:50,550 --> 00:19:53,400 And I'll tell you the truth. 373 00:19:54,280 --> 00:20:00,310 There's a part of me, like, just the basic, like horndog in me is excited about it. 374 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:03,750 Yeah, that I realize that's shocking. 375 00:20:03,750 --> 00:20:05,370 Mrs Sno: 18 year old that still likes to fuck screen doors. 376 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:06,840 Yeah, yeah, he's pretty stoked. 377 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:15,150 Mr Sno: He's stoked. And and I know that's a big shock to you, but what um, what is also true 378 00:20:15,150 --> 00:20:18,300 though, is I don't know. 379 00:20:18,850 --> 00:20:21,430 I have a certain. I guess it's guilt. 380 00:20:21,550 --> 00:20:23,260 Hmm. I guess it's guilt. 381 00:20:23,260 --> 00:20:25,390 I can't really put my finger on it. 382 00:20:25,780 --> 00:20:27,370 There's a part of me that doesn't. 383 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:32,810 It's not that I don't like it, it's that I feel really awkward about it. 384 00:20:34,120 --> 00:20:37,000 Mrs Sno: Awkward about the idea of having sex with another woman. 385 00:20:37,490 --> 00:20:39,320 Mr Sno: The whole experience, or. 386 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:43,250 Mrs Sno: The idea that I'm having an intimate experience with another woman? 387 00:20:43,250 --> 00:20:43,640 Yes. 388 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:49,700 Mr Sno: Yeah, right. The idea that I would go out with another woman and we would flirt and do 389 00:20:49,700 --> 00:20:54,710 whatever that which may end up leading to us having sex with you, not there. 390 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:59,270 Even though it's like, quote unquote, with your blessing. 391 00:21:00,020 --> 00:21:05,300 Yeah. Which I know I should just shut the fuck up now and just write. 392 00:21:05,300 --> 00:21:08,030 Mrs Sno: Yeah, all the men on the podcast are like, what the fuck? 393 00:21:08,030 --> 00:21:10,730 Mr Sno: I know everybody's like, just, just just stop here. 394 00:21:11,510 --> 00:21:16,970 Yeah, I get it, but I, I genuinely can't tell you how I feel about it. 395 00:21:16,970 --> 00:21:21,320 Mrs Sno: Well, but I think you are the type of person that is just very in your head. 396 00:21:21,350 --> 00:21:22,040 Mr Sno: A little bit. 397 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:31,400 Mrs Sno: Yeah. You know, and I think and with that being said, that has that impacts you 398 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:34,940 engaging in any sexual moment even even with just you. 399 00:21:34,940 --> 00:21:37,190 And I like if you're in your head about it. 400 00:21:37,190 --> 00:21:40,280 Yeah. It's just not going to work or things aren't going to go well. 401 00:21:40,310 --> 00:21:44,510 Right. So now you add the layer of now I'm doing something I've never done. 402 00:21:44,510 --> 00:21:49,760 I'm doing something that's kind of taboo, that that is a little more risky, if you 403 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:50,780 will. Yeah. 404 00:21:50,870 --> 00:21:53,660 Um, you know, talk about mind fucking yourself. 405 00:21:54,980 --> 00:22:00,380 Yeah. You know. And what is it going to take for you to be in your head to say I'm okay? 406 00:22:00,380 --> 00:22:07,340 Mr Sno: Well, I think the one of the big pieces that I'm interested to know is let's paint the 407 00:22:07,340 --> 00:22:08,390 picture here a little bit. 408 00:22:08,390 --> 00:22:12,320 So I kiss you goodbye and I leave. 409 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:14,630 Yeah. You're here. 410 00:22:14,630 --> 00:22:16,460 Yeah. We have kids. 411 00:22:16,460 --> 00:22:18,500 You're doing the here stuff. 412 00:22:18,530 --> 00:22:20,750 Yeah. Meanwhile. 413 00:22:20,750 --> 00:22:25,730 Yeah, you know that your husband is out there in the world somewhere with another 414 00:22:25,730 --> 00:22:30,440 woman. Engaging in these things and possibly having sex. 415 00:22:30,950 --> 00:22:32,690 Have you thought about how you're going to feel? 416 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:35,650 I mean. 417 00:22:35,650 --> 00:22:39,310 Mrs Sno: I have the distraction of, like, being in mommy mode. 418 00:22:40,030 --> 00:22:45,880 Um, so in some ways, like, I don't know if I would have the time to think about it. 419 00:22:46,630 --> 00:22:48,370 As much as you would if you were home. 420 00:22:48,370 --> 00:22:50,980 You know, like when you're out on the road or you're like, not here. 421 00:22:50,980 --> 00:22:52,240 Like, I feel like there is a different. 422 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:52,690 But you don't. 423 00:22:52,690 --> 00:22:54,790 Mr Sno: Think this is going to be enough to like, I didn't. 424 00:22:54,940 --> 00:22:56,560 Mrs Sno: I didn't say that. I didn't say that. 425 00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:59,440 I just said, I guess I don't know how I feel about it. 426 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:01,270 I don't think I'm upset about it. 427 00:23:01,270 --> 00:23:03,460 I mean, it doesn't upset me when I think about it. 428 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:08,500 Um, I mean, there's there's a part of me that's excited about it, and, and. 429 00:23:08,770 --> 00:23:11,500 Mr Sno: You know how you sometimes say that I'm the perfect husband? 430 00:23:13,510 --> 00:23:14,230 That's right. 431 00:23:14,230 --> 00:23:15,430 Mrs Sno: Don't forget that. 432 00:23:15,550 --> 00:23:18,100 Um, now, there's a part of me that's excited about it. 433 00:23:18,100 --> 00:23:22,150 I mean, I you know what it is, and this and this is and this isn't. 434 00:23:22,150 --> 00:23:23,260 This is what it is. 435 00:23:23,260 --> 00:23:26,920 If I'm having a perfectly fine night with the children and everything's fine. 436 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:27,940 Everything's fine. 437 00:23:27,940 --> 00:23:32,920 Yeah, but if it's like a rough night and I'm like, fucking screaming and kids are and it's 438 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:36,280 a terrible, then there's more of that resentment that comes in. 439 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:36,760 Mr Sno: Yep. 440 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:37,930 Mrs Sno: You know what I mean? Yeah. 441 00:23:38,110 --> 00:23:40,180 Yeah. Um, but I feel like. 442 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:42,860 Overall in general. 443 00:23:42,860 --> 00:23:44,570 Okay. I'm not. 444 00:23:44,570 --> 00:23:47,390 It doesn't. Again, there's nothing about it that upsets me now. 445 00:23:47,390 --> 00:23:51,290 Part of why it doesn't upset me is because I know her. 446 00:23:51,290 --> 00:23:56,960 Yes. I think the idea of you meeting someone that I had no idea who it was that is 447 00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:57,770 upsetting. 448 00:23:57,770 --> 00:23:58,820 Mr Sno: Yeah, yeah. 449 00:23:58,820 --> 00:24:00,620 Mrs Sno: You know, you going out with someone that. 450 00:24:00,620 --> 00:24:02,630 I had no idea who they were, right? 451 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:03,830 You know what I mean? 452 00:24:03,830 --> 00:24:05,660 Like that to me, I think is upsetting. 453 00:24:05,660 --> 00:24:07,100 But the fact that I know her, we have a relationship. 454 00:24:07,730 --> 00:24:09,860 The four of us have gone out. 455 00:24:10,130 --> 00:24:15,300 Um. And obviously I know her relationship with her husband and she obviously knows my 456 00:24:15,300 --> 00:24:19,440 relationship with you. I mean, there's already that kind of mutual respect and 457 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,170 understanding of what this is and what this is not. 458 00:24:22,170 --> 00:24:27,480 Right. Um, I think that that that's a huge part of why I'm not upset about it. 459 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:31,560 Right. Um, but I am excited, and I would be excited to hear about. 460 00:24:32,510 --> 00:24:33,620 Like how it goes. 461 00:24:33,620 --> 00:24:37,580 And and I feel like I would probably be like, what are you doing? 462 00:24:37,580 --> 00:24:40,700 How's it going? You know, like, I'd probably be texting you. 463 00:24:40,700 --> 00:24:41,000 You know. 464 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:42,500 Mr Sno: What? I'm kind of wondering, like, you know. 465 00:24:42,500 --> 00:24:46,940 Mrs Sno: What I mean? I would try not to, but I'm sure I would. 466 00:24:46,940 --> 00:24:50,180 Yeah. At some point, um, which I would. 467 00:24:50,180 --> 00:24:51,740 Mr Sno: I would honestly. 468 00:24:52,310 --> 00:24:54,800 Really welcome that involvement. 469 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:59,210 Mhm. Because it I think for me it would be reassuring. 470 00:25:00,260 --> 00:25:06,530 Sure. You know this idea that like you're in a flirty kind of fun way like hey how's it 471 00:25:06,530 --> 00:25:08,600 going. Yeah. What are you guys doing. 472 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:09,800 Mrs Sno: What color bra is she wearing. 473 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:10,970 Mr Sno: What color bra she wears. 474 00:25:10,970 --> 00:25:14,840 You know. But honestly, that kind of stuff I think would be encouraging to me. 475 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:18,440 Yeah. Um, I think if we had this, I. 476 00:25:18,590 --> 00:25:21,320 What? This is something that I did want to say to you. 477 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:25,040 I do not want to impart a like. 478 00:25:25,650 --> 00:25:27,510 No contact. 479 00:25:28,140 --> 00:25:29,790 You cannot contact me. 480 00:25:29,970 --> 00:25:32,640 Do not touch me. I don't want to hear from you like I want. 481 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:34,050 It's not really like that. 482 00:25:34,050 --> 00:25:36,180 Like I kind of do want to hear from you. 483 00:25:36,180 --> 00:25:37,500 Yeah. Um. 484 00:25:39,460 --> 00:25:44,530 It's interesting because where part of where this gets murky for me. 485 00:25:45,910 --> 00:25:49,510 Is the the the lifestyle for us. 486 00:25:50,810 --> 00:25:54,920 And I would say I've kind of crossed this line before, but the lifestyle for us has 487 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:56,270 been very sexual. 488 00:25:57,020 --> 00:25:58,670 Yeah, it's very sexual. 489 00:25:58,790 --> 00:26:00,050 Mrs Sno: There's definitely that physical. Yeah, there's. 490 00:26:00,350 --> 00:26:04,250 Mr Sno: Definitely the sexual piece is the main thrust of it. 491 00:26:04,250 --> 00:26:06,410 Right. And no pun intended. 492 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:10,160 It's like that was cute and and the and honestly the friendships. 493 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:11,750 But that's kind of a side thing. 494 00:26:12,580 --> 00:26:15,040 This bridges the gap a little bit. 495 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:18,790 And this is why I said earlier, like I'm kind of itchy about the word date. 496 00:26:18,850 --> 00:26:22,840 Mhm. Because I don't want to date another woman. 497 00:26:23,410 --> 00:26:25,990 Right. I don't want to have. 498 00:26:26,660 --> 00:26:28,460 Not that she. She is wonderful. 499 00:26:28,460 --> 00:26:29,870 That's nothing to do with her. 500 00:26:29,870 --> 00:26:36,140 Yeah, but I'm not looking for a quote unquote romantic experience with another 501 00:26:36,140 --> 00:26:40,070 woman. Right. But this kind of this kind of blurs that line. 502 00:26:40,070 --> 00:26:43,130 Mrs Sno: Well, it's like you want an emotional connection with somebody, but you don't want 503 00:26:43,130 --> 00:26:44,690 an emotional connection with somebody. 504 00:26:44,690 --> 00:26:46,460 Like, what is it, big e, little e. 505 00:26:46,820 --> 00:26:48,980 Mr Sno: Big e, little e. That's a that's a good way of putting it. 506 00:26:48,980 --> 00:26:49,910 Yeah. You know like I. 507 00:26:49,910 --> 00:26:54,620 Mrs Sno: Want I don't you don't because you just said like you, you're the type of person that has 508 00:26:54,620 --> 00:26:59,210 to have some type of connection to in order to engage in a sexual experience with. 509 00:26:59,210 --> 00:27:00,620 Right. You've learned that about yourself, right? 510 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:06,590 But where is the where's the line between I'm going to engage in an emotional 511 00:27:06,590 --> 00:27:10,550 relationship with you to a point where we can have sex and we can have good sex, and we 512 00:27:10,550 --> 00:27:14,450 can enjoy that peace, but not where it's threatening. 513 00:27:16,260 --> 00:27:18,210 The big E, right? Like our relationship, right? 514 00:27:18,540 --> 00:27:19,830 Mr Sno: Exactly, exactly. 515 00:27:19,830 --> 00:27:21,600 And that's and I don't. 516 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:22,440 And you don't. 517 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:27,270 Mrs Sno: Know like I don't. And honestly it probably I would think because relationships vary and 518 00:27:27,270 --> 00:27:29,520 people vary in what they need emotionally is different. 519 00:27:30,390 --> 00:27:34,650 I think that is going to vary depending on the woman that you have that relationship 520 00:27:34,650 --> 00:27:35,310 with. 521 00:27:35,310 --> 00:27:38,070 Mr Sno: I think that's that's true. 522 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:43,920 And and so it is interesting because the lifestyle and swinging and everything, it 523 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,770 really dovetails with poly. 524 00:27:47,100 --> 00:27:53,310 Mhm. And I was just having a conversation with someone earlier today about their poly 525 00:27:53,310 --> 00:27:59,560 relationship. And he was explaining to me how they kind of accidentally fell into poly, 526 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:01,060 like they didn't see it coming. 527 00:28:01,060 --> 00:28:03,010 It wasn't anything they looked for. 528 00:28:03,010 --> 00:28:04,300 Yeah it was. 529 00:28:04,300 --> 00:28:09,040 They both had another couple that they had gotten to know and they both really liked. 530 00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:15,040 And eventually it became a kitchen table conversation saying, well, are we interested 531 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:16,120 in trying this? 532 00:28:16,120 --> 00:28:17,620 Yeah. Um. 533 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,390 Ah, boy, I tell you, it just. 534 00:28:21,390 --> 00:28:23,190 I have so many. 535 00:28:23,810 --> 00:28:26,300 Feelings about that I. 536 00:28:27,460 --> 00:28:30,940 So let's let's switch for a second to you playing solo. 537 00:28:32,310 --> 00:28:34,050 This is what I also want to mention at the top. 538 00:28:34,350 --> 00:28:37,530 So I have written erotica. 539 00:28:37,740 --> 00:28:39,000 Ooh. And it is. 540 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:40,110 It's spicy. 541 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,650 Mrs Sno: Well it's gotten quite the, the the response. 542 00:28:43,650 --> 00:28:48,600 Mr Sno: So on our blog, on our website, if you go to HSN.com and then you go under blog and my 543 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:53,850 name, there's two stories there and the title is The Hot Wife Hotel and I wrote 544 00:28:53,850 --> 00:28:57,570 those. I will say they're inspired by real life. 545 00:28:58,790 --> 00:29:00,110 But I wrote. Perhaps. 546 00:29:00,110 --> 00:29:02,660 Perhaps. But I wrote those. 547 00:29:03,020 --> 00:29:09,290 Um. Kind of for the purpose of explaining hot wifing a little bit. 548 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:13,310 So if you're interested in that at all, go to the website and read those. 549 00:29:13,310 --> 00:29:16,520 But in that that story. 550 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,220 We are at a hotel bar, you and I. 551 00:29:20,610 --> 00:29:28,500 The third guy comes in to the hotel, and the two of you disappear upstairs to go play, 552 00:29:28,500 --> 00:29:32,470 right? That I could do. 553 00:29:32,990 --> 00:29:34,130 I could do that. 554 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,920 You going on a date with another guy? 555 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:43,110 Like if we were going to do exactly what we're talking about now in reverse. 556 00:29:43,980 --> 00:29:45,660 I think I'd be okay with it. 557 00:29:45,660 --> 00:29:47,370 Mrs Sno: But you. But I need different things. 558 00:29:47,370 --> 00:29:49,230 You and I need different things. 559 00:29:49,590 --> 00:29:51,120 We do. You know what I mean? 560 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:55,500 Like when we talked about you needing, like, more of a connection with somebody, I don't 561 00:29:55,500 --> 00:29:56,700 necessarily. 562 00:29:56,700 --> 00:29:57,360 Mr Sno: Right. 563 00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:00,960 Mrs Sno: So I don't really want or need to go out on a date with somebody. 564 00:30:01,650 --> 00:30:02,910 Mr Sno: Yeah, I get that. 565 00:30:02,910 --> 00:30:06,510 Mrs Sno: But I think the other thing is, you know, when I think about solo play with me, like 566 00:30:06,510 --> 00:30:12,540 the idea is super hot, like that whole that whole story was super hot, like the idea of, 567 00:30:12,540 --> 00:30:16,170 like the three of us hanging out at the bar, having a drink, and then he and I going 568 00:30:16,170 --> 00:30:19,680 upstairs while you're downstairs, just kind of waiting it out. 569 00:30:19,980 --> 00:30:24,990 Um, I think I like the idea of you coming in and interrupting, quote unquote, and joining 570 00:30:24,990 --> 00:30:28,080 us more so than me being 100% solo. 571 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:34,350 Because the other thing is, is what I get from swapping or same room. 572 00:30:35,830 --> 00:30:42,250 More than me just getting what I want or getting sex is me showing off for you, right? 573 00:30:42,250 --> 00:30:45,340 Which doesn't help you because you're distracted. 574 00:30:46,390 --> 00:30:48,790 So it's like, you know, it's. 575 00:30:48,790 --> 00:30:52,180 And so I'm, I'm, I'm more it's interesting. 576 00:30:52,180 --> 00:30:58,390 Right. I'm more supportive, um, encouraging of you doing solo play because I want you to 577 00:30:58,390 --> 00:31:03,760 get those amazing experiences like I've already gotten with the three of us playing 578 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:04,390 together. 579 00:31:04,390 --> 00:31:04,900 Mr Sno: Yeah. 580 00:31:04,900 --> 00:31:09,610 Mrs Sno: Because again, what I want out of this is not what you want out of this, necessarily. 581 00:31:09,610 --> 00:31:12,610 And what you need is not what I need. 582 00:31:12,610 --> 00:31:17,140 Mr Sno: Well, and honestly, this sounds completely crazy to say it. 583 00:31:17,660 --> 00:31:20,900 But part of what I need is a win. 584 00:31:21,050 --> 00:31:26,600 Mrs Sno: Yeah, well, and that's the thing, like, we've had a, you know, a number of experiences and 585 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:27,710 I've had a lot of fun. 586 00:31:27,710 --> 00:31:28,730 I've had a really great experience. 587 00:31:28,790 --> 00:31:32,090 You've had experience. You've had good experiences too, but I don't think you have 588 00:31:32,090 --> 00:31:34,700 had the same type of experience that I've had. 589 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:35,720 No. 590 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:41,000 Mr Sno: The most successful experiences we've had were literally everybody walked away happy. 591 00:31:41,150 --> 00:31:42,320 Good to go. 592 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:43,550 Everybody's happy. 593 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:47,750 Have been our MFM experiences right? 594 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,900 Those experiences have all been. 595 00:31:50,900 --> 00:31:53,120 Everybody was happy. 596 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,430 Good to go. No left over feelings at the end. 597 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:57,050 Everybody was good. 598 00:31:57,830 --> 00:32:04,250 Our full swap experiences so far have not been that way, right? 599 00:32:04,550 --> 00:32:07,400 Um, they haven't been bad, right? 600 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:13,130 But there has been left overs on right on those experiences. 601 00:32:13,130 --> 00:32:17,240 And and honestly, we talked about this some the other day. 602 00:32:17,810 --> 00:32:19,580 For all of the. 603 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:27,200 Um. For all of the confidence that you have gotten from the lifestyle. 604 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:31,880 Yeah, for me, and I wonder how true this is for other men. 605 00:32:32,450 --> 00:32:35,030 For me, it's actually been steps backwards. 606 00:32:35,030 --> 00:32:39,470 Yeah, the lifestyle has taken more of my confidence than it has given. 607 00:32:39,470 --> 00:32:42,230 Right. And that and. 608 00:32:42,230 --> 00:32:43,370 Mrs Sno: That's hard to hear. 609 00:32:43,370 --> 00:32:49,940 That's hard to hear as your partner in this for multiple reasons, but mainly because I 610 00:32:49,940 --> 00:32:52,520 feel like I've gotten a lot of confidence from this. 611 00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:55,280 Right? And a lot from you in this process. 612 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:56,300 And I feel like. 613 00:32:57,550 --> 00:33:00,970 I feel there's a part of me that feels guilty that I haven't been able to give that 614 00:33:00,970 --> 00:33:07,210 to you. And so that is part of this this idea, this mindset and this rationale for. 615 00:33:07,210 --> 00:33:08,740 Yeah, I think I do want you to have these experiences. 616 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:11,290 I mean, I really do feel okay about it. 617 00:33:11,290 --> 00:33:16,660 I'm not like talking myself into something I don't want to do, but but I think there is 618 00:33:16,660 --> 00:33:19,630 this level of, I do want you to have a win. 619 00:33:19,630 --> 00:33:21,220 I do want you to have a great sexual experience. 620 00:33:21,820 --> 00:33:25,030 I mean, like, this is what all this is all about, right? 621 00:33:25,030 --> 00:33:29,230 And is it what I initially thought that you would need when we started this whole thing? 622 00:33:29,230 --> 00:33:32,230 No, but we didn't fucking know anything at that point, right? 623 00:33:32,230 --> 00:33:32,710 Mr Sno: You know what I mean? 624 00:33:32,710 --> 00:33:33,760 Mrs Sno: Nobody does. Right. 625 00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:37,030 So but I think the reality is, is. 626 00:33:37,580 --> 00:33:41,000 I am 100% comfortable with our with our relationship. 627 00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:49,250 I am so secure in our relationship and how you feel about me and how I feel about you. 628 00:33:49,250 --> 00:33:53,360 And and I know, I know what you're looking for is not. 629 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:56,190 Another partner? 630 00:33:56,220 --> 00:33:58,440 No, you know what I mean. 631 00:33:58,500 --> 00:34:01,740 Coupled with I know her and I feel like she. 632 00:34:01,740 --> 00:34:03,030 It's the same thing with her. 633 00:34:03,030 --> 00:34:05,520 Like she's not looking to get out of her marriage. 634 00:34:05,970 --> 00:34:10,080 She's very secure and happy where she's at, and they have a good thing going. 635 00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:11,310 So, like, you know what I mean? 636 00:34:11,310 --> 00:34:14,730 Like, all those things have really kind of just reinforced that. 637 00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:22,590 Not saying there's no risk because there's never, never any like no risk, but it's a 638 00:34:22,590 --> 00:34:25,020 risk that I'm pretty comfortable in taking. 639 00:34:25,020 --> 00:34:33,720 Mr Sno: Yeah. And for me, when I say I need a win, it really what I mean by that is I need an 640 00:34:33,720 --> 00:34:37,950 experience with someone, whether whether it's an individual experience or group or 641 00:34:37,950 --> 00:34:43,380 whatever, where afterwards everybody says that was great, you know, and that's the end 642 00:34:43,380 --> 00:34:45,630 of it. Mhm. There's no lingering. 643 00:34:45,630 --> 00:34:50,220 Well I wish you had done this or I wish you hadn't done this or, or one thing or another 644 00:34:50,220 --> 00:34:52,170 like. That. 645 00:34:52,170 --> 00:34:59,550 The thing about it is that feedback is really important, because I've learned a lot 646 00:34:59,550 --> 00:35:06,870 from those conversations, and I would never want to give the impression to anybody that 647 00:35:06,870 --> 00:35:09,780 I'm not open to feedback. 648 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:17,850 Right. But the goal is to have a great experience where there isn't critiques 649 00:35:17,850 --> 00:35:19,350 afterwards. Right. 650 00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:20,940 Right. You know what I mean? 651 00:35:20,940 --> 00:35:27,660 Yeah. And and that again, that is not I do not mean that in any way as a slight to 652 00:35:27,660 --> 00:35:32,310 anyone who has given me those comments, because again, I've learned a lot from them. 653 00:35:32,310 --> 00:35:32,760 Right. 654 00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:37,620 Mrs Sno: And, and it's, but it's also kind of been the catalyst of. 655 00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:43,760 Knowing what's going to work for you, but also your potential people that you would 656 00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:44,720 play with, right? 657 00:35:44,720 --> 00:35:51,710 Mr Sno: And so honestly, what I have had to battle against a little bit in, in the face of that 658 00:35:51,710 --> 00:35:55,520 is this idea that, oh shit, maybe I'm just not very good. 659 00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:57,650 Maybe I should just stop shitty swinger. 660 00:35:57,890 --> 00:36:00,800 Maybe I'm just shit at this and I should just not do it. 661 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:02,060 Yeah, you know what I mean? 662 00:36:02,420 --> 00:36:05,660 Um, and honestly, the whole hot wife thing as. 663 00:36:06,860 --> 00:36:08,060 And I do love it. 664 00:36:08,060 --> 00:36:09,140 I mean, hot wife, but it's. 665 00:36:09,140 --> 00:36:10,250 Mrs Sno: Easier but easy. 666 00:36:10,250 --> 00:36:12,740 Mr Sno: For you. But, yeah, it is the easy way out. 667 00:36:12,740 --> 00:36:18,350 Sure. Because finding another male who wants to come in and play with you, or even 668 00:36:18,350 --> 00:36:25,460 potentially to play with both of us and be happy afterwards is infinitely easier. 669 00:36:25,460 --> 00:36:30,350 Yeah, than finding a couple that we can connect with and swap with and everybody's 670 00:36:30,350 --> 00:36:31,520 thrilled afterwards. 671 00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:33,950 That is amazingly different. 672 00:36:33,950 --> 00:36:40,700 Mhm. Um, so I'm, I'm, I'm really kind of anxious to see how all this goes. 673 00:36:40,700 --> 00:36:43,250 And if we go out and play doesn't happen. 674 00:36:43,250 --> 00:36:45,050 I'm perfectly fine with that. 675 00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:50,300 Mrs Sno: Um well and I think I even said to you, you know, when we talked about this, um, a little 676 00:36:50,300 --> 00:36:53,660 bit before, you're kind of like, I don't I don't know how I feel about it. 677 00:36:53,660 --> 00:36:58,100 I don't know what I want to do. And I said, well, there's absolutely no risk in you going 678 00:36:58,100 --> 00:37:00,440 out and just having dinner or a drink. 679 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,410 You know what I mean? Absolutely. You know, going out and maybe not having the 680 00:37:03,410 --> 00:37:04,760 expectation that something's going to happen. 681 00:37:05,570 --> 00:37:09,380 Right. Um, maybe not not being like being open to the idea of it, maybe, but not kind 682 00:37:09,380 --> 00:37:11,180 of planning for it, if you will. 683 00:37:11,330 --> 00:37:14,990 Um, there's absolutely no risk in going out and having a drink. 684 00:37:14,990 --> 00:37:17,930 No, no. Like there's like, no, no, in. 685 00:37:17,930 --> 00:37:19,520 Mr Sno: My mind there's not, there's not. 686 00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:22,910 And that's why I'm I'm actually really looking forward to it. 687 00:37:23,270 --> 00:37:26,870 Um, plus, we're going to go to a restaurant that I have been wanting to go to forever, 688 00:37:26,870 --> 00:37:28,370 and I've never gotten to go. 689 00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:32,780 Oh, so, you know, that's kind of a little side win right there. 690 00:37:32,780 --> 00:37:36,620 Mrs Sno: So if worse comes to worse, nothing at all at all bombs out. 691 00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:39,080 Mr Sno: Like I guess they have amazing snacks. 692 00:37:39,980 --> 00:37:42,110 And you know how much I love the snacks. 693 00:37:43,530 --> 00:37:47,460 Mrs Sno: So the moral of this story is, if you're going to go out on a date with somebody, make 694 00:37:47,460 --> 00:37:50,670 sure it's at a place you like their food or drink, so you get something. 695 00:37:50,670 --> 00:37:54,810 Mr Sno: Out of it. I mean, that's that's honestly a good life tip right there. 696 00:37:54,810 --> 00:37:57,930 If you're dating, I mean, go where you want to go anyway. 697 00:37:57,930 --> 00:38:00,540 Sure. Um, yeah. 698 00:38:00,540 --> 00:38:03,730 So. That's kind of it. 699 00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:09,130 Um, and I don't I really don't know how it's going to play. 700 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:11,380 Uh, Long Terme. 701 00:38:11,380 --> 00:38:15,760 As far as solo play, I mean, is this going to be an experiment that happens a time or 702 00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,340 two and that's all it ever is. 703 00:38:18,370 --> 00:38:21,670 Is this going to be kind of an ongoing thing that happens once in a while? 704 00:38:22,290 --> 00:38:28,050 Mrs Sno: You know, and what's interesting is like the idea of solo play for me is, is still 705 00:38:28,050 --> 00:38:29,160 involves you. 706 00:38:30,770 --> 00:38:31,820 Mr Sno: In what way? 707 00:38:31,850 --> 00:38:34,880 Mrs Sno: Meaning? Like even that. 708 00:38:36,630 --> 00:38:41,580 In my mind, solo play for me is I may be engaging or playing with somebody, but you 709 00:38:41,580 --> 00:38:43,200 are still physically in the room. 710 00:38:43,910 --> 00:38:45,770 Or around? 711 00:38:46,070 --> 00:38:51,140 Yeah. And you may you may not participate, but you are physically there. 712 00:38:52,140 --> 00:38:54,090 Mr Sno: Yeah. Now, let me ask you this though. 713 00:38:54,090 --> 00:39:01,170 We have been looking and we still haven't really accomplished this to find a sort of 714 00:39:01,170 --> 00:39:04,080 reliable local single male. 715 00:39:04,110 --> 00:39:06,150 Mhm. Um. 716 00:39:06,950 --> 00:39:09,200 Surprisingly difficult to find. 717 00:39:09,890 --> 00:39:12,230 But let's say we did. 718 00:39:12,350 --> 00:39:16,190 Let's say there was a person who we were very comfortable with, we'd played with 719 00:39:16,190 --> 00:39:17,540 multiple times. 720 00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:22,260 And that person messaged you and in a respectful way. 721 00:39:22,260 --> 00:39:27,510 Not like trying to break the rules, but messaged you and said, hey, um, I know Mr. 722 00:39:27,510 --> 00:39:29,190 Sno is gone right now. 723 00:39:29,460 --> 00:39:30,990 Can I come over and play? 724 00:39:32,310 --> 00:39:33,840 Would you be interested in that? 725 00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:34,740 Mrs Sno: No. 726 00:39:36,850 --> 00:39:39,100 Mr Sno: Why not? What I mean. 727 00:39:39,820 --> 00:39:41,260 You get horny too? 728 00:39:41,290 --> 00:39:42,370 Mrs Sno: That is a lie. 729 00:39:42,370 --> 00:39:43,990 I don't know who fucking told you that shit. 730 00:39:44,260 --> 00:39:45,460 Mr Sno: Who told you that shit? 731 00:39:45,460 --> 00:39:47,080 I do not get horny. 732 00:39:48,100 --> 00:39:52,060 Mrs Sno: Um. I just don't. 733 00:39:52,060 --> 00:39:53,500 Mr Sno: I think you just ruined the show. 734 00:39:53,530 --> 00:39:55,810 I mean, yeah, sorry. No, doesn't get horny. 735 00:39:55,810 --> 00:39:57,490 That's going to be the title of the episode. 736 00:39:59,140 --> 00:40:01,910 Mrs Sno: People are gonna. Call shenanigans on that bullshit. 737 00:40:02,990 --> 00:40:07,650 Um. I don't have any desire to do that. 738 00:40:08,770 --> 00:40:10,060 I just, I don't. 739 00:40:11,240 --> 00:40:12,560 I don't I don't want to do that. 740 00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:14,240 Mr Sno: Okay. So now let me ask you this. 741 00:40:14,240 --> 00:40:17,540 Okay? I understand you don't want to do it, but just play this part out with me. 742 00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:21,200 You'd be fine with doing it if I was in the room, though. 743 00:40:22,100 --> 00:40:23,660 Like if I were here and I were going to watch. 744 00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:26,210 Mrs Sno: But I wouldn't. 745 00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:28,680 I don't think I would seek it out. 746 00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:32,650 Mr Sno: No, I know, but the scenario I gave you is where he messaged you. 747 00:40:34,790 --> 00:40:35,900 Here's where I'm going with this. 748 00:40:35,900 --> 00:40:41,540 Like, I understand that my involvement is a big part of what you want out of it, right? 749 00:40:41,780 --> 00:40:43,400 The question is. 750 00:40:44,190 --> 00:40:47,700 Do you still get any of that sense out of it from my involvement? 751 00:40:47,700 --> 00:40:53,070 If I'm like, you're texting me like, hey, I think he's going to come over this afternoon 752 00:40:53,070 --> 00:40:57,840 because you fucking know what that's going to do to me on the other end of the phone, 753 00:40:57,840 --> 00:40:59,250 wherever it is I am. 754 00:41:00,270 --> 00:41:02,130 Mrs Sno: I don't know how to answer this question. 755 00:41:02,310 --> 00:41:03,990 Yeah, I don't know. 756 00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:08,530 Yes. Your involvement in this. 757 00:41:09,340 --> 00:41:12,310 I mean, I hate to I hate to, like, fucking, like just. 758 00:41:13,970 --> 00:41:17,360 Pull the curtain. You know what's behind the curtain, right? 759 00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:22,700 But part of your involvement is super hot, and I really like it, but it's also just 760 00:41:22,700 --> 00:41:24,830 really fucking convenient for me. 761 00:41:26,430 --> 00:41:27,540 Mr Sno: What do you mean? 762 00:41:27,570 --> 00:41:28,680 Mrs Sno: Well, like. 763 00:41:29,610 --> 00:41:31,590 You kind of do all the work. 764 00:41:34,240 --> 00:41:35,650 That sounds so fucking bad. 765 00:41:35,650 --> 00:41:36,400 Mr Sno: It really does. 766 00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:38,140 Mrs Sno: But you know what I mean, like, I don't. 767 00:41:38,700 --> 00:41:45,060 I don't see myself, and this is just the reality of me in my life and what I really, 768 00:41:45,060 --> 00:41:47,850 truly don't. I don't see myself. 769 00:41:48,370 --> 00:41:49,960 Seeking that out. 770 00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:53,260 Mr Sno: No, I get it. But that's why I post it in the scenario the way that I did. 771 00:41:53,260 --> 00:41:55,120 Mrs Sno: Yeah, but I don't see meaning. 772 00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:59,920 I don't see myself having an individual conversation with this individual, like, you 773 00:41:59,920 --> 00:42:02,920 know what I mean? Like outside of just kind of, hey, how's your day going, blah blah, 774 00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:05,410 blah, blah, blah blah. And they may say, hey, can I come over? 775 00:42:05,410 --> 00:42:08,350 Well, let me talk to my husband like it would. 776 00:42:08,500 --> 00:42:11,980 It would immediately kind of be a weird decision, not a me decision. 777 00:42:11,980 --> 00:42:13,960 Mr Sno: Well, yeah. No, I'm totally good with that. 778 00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:16,300 I'm totally good with the weird decision part of it. 779 00:42:16,300 --> 00:42:19,840 Yeah, but let's say he texted you I'm away on a trip. 780 00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:20,350 Yeah, but I. 781 00:42:20,350 --> 00:42:21,040 Mrs Sno: Don't think I'd want. 782 00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:22,480 Mr Sno: Him over. Oh, you just say no. 783 00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:23,800 Mrs Sno: I just think, yeah, he's not home. 784 00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:24,880 It's not really. No. 785 00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,220 Okay. Because. And the other thing is, is. 786 00:42:28,370 --> 00:42:30,170 When you are gone. 787 00:42:30,170 --> 00:42:32,630 Yeah. Me personally. 788 00:42:32,630 --> 00:42:37,190 Yeah. I am not ever in that sexual place. 789 00:42:37,190 --> 00:42:39,440 Rarely am I in that sexual place. 790 00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:45,410 Okay? Like you and I may sext or flirt or whatever, but, like, there's no part of me 791 00:42:45,410 --> 00:42:47,210 when I'm kind of in the like. 792 00:42:47,210 --> 00:42:52,640 I'm like, full time mom, full time work, getting groceries, cleaning the house, doing 793 00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:56,240 laundry. Like, there's no part of me that thinks I want to get my rocks off. 794 00:42:56,240 --> 00:42:57,380 Like it just doesn't. 795 00:42:58,190 --> 00:42:59,420 Maybe there's something wrong with me. 796 00:42:59,420 --> 00:43:01,280 I don't know, but, like, it just doesn't. 797 00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:05,380 It's just so far off my radar. 798 00:43:05,380 --> 00:43:07,270 Yeah, when I'm in that space. 799 00:43:07,270 --> 00:43:07,720 Yeah. 800 00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:12,700 Mr Sno: Well, we've talked about that with with head space, you know, and and modes and. 801 00:43:12,700 --> 00:43:16,930 Mrs Sno: And maybe it's maybe with the dynamic in our relationship and the fact that, you know, you 802 00:43:16,930 --> 00:43:20,350 travel and it's like I'm fully on. 803 00:43:20,350 --> 00:43:21,610 Right, right. 804 00:43:21,610 --> 00:43:26,530 And I know you've noticed that when you come home like I'm off, right? 805 00:43:26,530 --> 00:43:29,200 Like I have the ability to, to to just not do anything. 806 00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:37,330 Right. But like when you are not here, I am 100% fully engaged in life outside of this. 807 00:43:37,330 --> 00:43:43,360 Yeah, so I don't so the idea of solo play for me is not really solo in the same way it 808 00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:46,750 is for you, or it would be for you, right? 809 00:43:47,290 --> 00:43:49,920 Um. Yeah. 810 00:43:50,930 --> 00:43:54,080 Mr Sno: You know what? That what kind of occurs to me now is I think about it. 811 00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:55,550 Mrs Sno: Like I have no desire to go on a date with anybody. 812 00:43:56,270 --> 00:43:57,890 Mr Sno: Why? Why is that? 813 00:43:58,340 --> 00:44:01,010 Not that it wouldn't. I mean, like, it wouldn't be fun. 814 00:44:01,010 --> 00:44:02,570 Mrs Sno: I have the opposite in that. 815 00:44:02,570 --> 00:44:05,090 Like, I don't need an emotional connection to fuck you. 816 00:44:05,390 --> 00:44:10,160 But I'm also scared to engage in an emotional connection with somebody else. 817 00:44:10,250 --> 00:44:13,340 Scared may not be the right word, but like, I don't. 818 00:44:13,340 --> 00:44:18,410 The reason why I don't want to connect with somebody is because I don't want to. 819 00:44:18,620 --> 00:44:20,780 I don't I don't want to I don't want to open that can. 820 00:44:20,780 --> 00:44:24,440 Mr Sno: So okay, so this is actually really interesting because the what you just 821 00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:29,570 described is a big part of my feelings about poly, right? 822 00:44:29,570 --> 00:44:35,390 This idea of joining into a relationship with a person that is not you, a romantic 823 00:44:35,540 --> 00:44:41,960 relationship that is not you scares me because in my mind it threatens what we have. 824 00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:42,500 Correct? 825 00:44:42,500 --> 00:44:43,400 Mrs Sno: Absolutely. 826 00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:48,740 Mr Sno: Do you feel like if you started engaging with people that that that it could. 827 00:44:49,510 --> 00:44:50,560 Mrs Sno: I think it could. 828 00:44:51,750 --> 00:44:55,740 Yes, I think it could have the potential to I don't I mean, there's a part of me that's 829 00:44:55,740 --> 00:44:58,590 like it wouldn't because you and I are pretty solid, right? 830 00:44:58,590 --> 00:45:00,000 But why fuck with it? 831 00:45:00,450 --> 00:45:01,980 Like, you know what I mean? 832 00:45:01,980 --> 00:45:04,350 Like, do I think it would really impact it? 833 00:45:04,350 --> 00:45:10,740 No. But do I think that there's a a chance there's more of a risk if I do that than not? 834 00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:12,630 Right. Do you know what I mean? 835 00:45:12,630 --> 00:45:17,370 So no, I, I'm perfectly like, I want to fuck you. 836 00:45:17,550 --> 00:45:21,690 I want to use you and have fun and all the things and that's it. 837 00:45:21,930 --> 00:45:24,540 Okay. Like, that's that's just me though. 838 00:45:24,540 --> 00:45:26,940 Mr Sno: So with that. 839 00:45:26,940 --> 00:45:30,000 But this is like with that fear in mind. 840 00:45:30,030 --> 00:45:36,580 Mhm. Why don't you have the same worry or fear with me going out with another woman? 841 00:45:36,580 --> 00:45:37,900 Mrs Sno: Because I know her. 842 00:45:37,930 --> 00:45:40,240 Not that I don't have, but I also know you. 843 00:45:40,690 --> 00:45:43,030 I mean, I it's because I am so secure in our relationship. 844 00:45:44,350 --> 00:45:49,270 Mr Sno: So do you kind of feel like you trust yourself less than you trust me? 845 00:45:49,300 --> 00:45:51,220 Mrs Sno: It's not that I. It's not about trusting myself. 846 00:45:52,630 --> 00:45:56,860 I just don't I don't think I have the emotional bandwidth to even. 847 00:45:57,610 --> 00:46:01,450 Attempt to have any type of emotional relationship with somebody else. 848 00:46:01,450 --> 00:46:02,050 Mr Sno: Yeah. 849 00:46:02,590 --> 00:46:06,550 Mrs Sno: Not saying that it would rise to the intimacy level that we have. 850 00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:10,180 But I just I just don't. 851 00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,490 You are all of my emotional bandwidth. 852 00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:15,140 Mr Sno: I'm very needy. 853 00:46:15,620 --> 00:46:17,510 Mrs Sno: That's not. That's not what I meant. 854 00:46:17,510 --> 00:46:17,870 Mr Sno: I mean. 855 00:46:17,870 --> 00:46:19,100 Mrs Sno: You fucking are. 856 00:46:19,100 --> 00:46:20,600 But that's not what I meant. 857 00:46:20,870 --> 00:46:23,330 But you and our life. 858 00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:26,720 Yeah. And our family and all of the things that are. 859 00:46:26,810 --> 00:46:29,300 That is my emotional bandwidth and that it's full. 860 00:46:29,660 --> 00:46:31,370 That emotional bandwidth card is full, right? 861 00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:32,870 And I'm content with it. 862 00:46:32,870 --> 00:46:34,880 I'm more than content with it. I'm very pleased with it. 863 00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:40,550 Right. So when I think about engaging in the lifestyle or solo play or whatever it is 864 00:46:40,550 --> 00:46:47,000 purely of, of of physical fun, social thing. 865 00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:54,590 Mr Sno: Yeah. And it's funny because I'm similar this, this whole solo play thing in a way for 866 00:46:54,590 --> 00:47:01,130 me. Is kind of an experiment for me because I'm curious where my own. 867 00:47:01,890 --> 00:47:03,930 Well boundaries are with this. 868 00:47:04,710 --> 00:47:09,480 So far, our engagement in the lifestyle has been as a pair. 869 00:47:09,810 --> 00:47:15,210 Right. It's been you and I engaging with the lifestyle together. 870 00:47:15,210 --> 00:47:17,220 Like even though there's other people involved. 871 00:47:18,240 --> 00:47:22,200 It's something that you and I are doing together for our own fun. 872 00:47:22,620 --> 00:47:24,090 Mm. And then. 873 00:47:24,540 --> 00:47:26,580 Then we're kind of done with it. 874 00:47:26,610 --> 00:47:27,840 Mm. Um. 875 00:47:28,630 --> 00:47:32,170 This experiment for me is partly. 876 00:47:32,970 --> 00:47:34,470 To find out. 877 00:47:35,260 --> 00:47:40,030 Is that all of the fun or all of the experience that I'm looking to have? 878 00:47:40,730 --> 00:47:43,190 Or am I looking to have more than that? 879 00:47:43,190 --> 00:47:49,250 Mrs Sno: Yeah. Well, the other thing when I think about you asked, do I trust myself less than 880 00:47:49,250 --> 00:47:53,000 you? I mean, I think part of it is I don't even know how to how do I, how I want to 881 00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:55,340 articulate this, I. 882 00:47:56,290 --> 00:47:57,700 Don't think. 883 00:47:59,020 --> 00:48:04,330 It's not about my relationship with the person, it's about the impact it would have 884 00:48:04,330 --> 00:48:05,230 on you. 885 00:48:06,430 --> 00:48:07,750 Mr Sno: Okay. Expand. 886 00:48:07,750 --> 00:48:08,590 Meaning? 887 00:48:09,170 --> 00:48:14,150 Mrs Sno: You go engage with another woman and you have an emotional connection with that. 888 00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:17,330 I feel like. 889 00:48:18,030 --> 00:48:23,190 I could handle you coming back and saying, I don't want to do that. 890 00:48:23,190 --> 00:48:26,430 I feel like this is kind of bordering on whatever. 891 00:48:27,180 --> 00:48:29,370 Like, I feel like I could handle that. 892 00:48:29,370 --> 00:48:31,620 Okay. And it's not that, but I don't. 893 00:48:31,620 --> 00:48:36,030 Not that you couldn't, but I just think that would hurt you deeper than it would hurt me 894 00:48:36,030 --> 00:48:36,480 if. 895 00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:38,220 Mr Sno: I came back and said, I don't want to do this. 896 00:48:38,700 --> 00:48:44,040 Mrs Sno: Meaning if I engaged in a relationship with somebody else and I was starting to struggle 897 00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:48,780 with feelings with that person, I think that would be more hurtful to you than it would be 898 00:48:48,780 --> 00:48:49,410 to me. 899 00:48:51,310 --> 00:48:53,620 Mr Sno: Yeah, it would be so. 900 00:48:53,620 --> 00:48:55,180 Mrs Sno: And I don't want to hurt you. 901 00:48:55,210 --> 00:48:58,420 Mr Sno: Yeah, no, I get that, um, and I obviously I appreciate that. 902 00:48:58,420 --> 00:49:03,010 Right. So one of the things that this person who I was talking to about their poly 903 00:49:03,010 --> 00:49:07,510 relationship described a situation where. 904 00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:14,380 So it's it's he and his wife and another couple who are also married, and they are 905 00:49:14,380 --> 00:49:16,540 each other's boyfriends and girlfriends. 906 00:49:16,570 --> 00:49:17,590 Mhm. Okay. 907 00:49:17,770 --> 00:49:20,770 If you can imagine the the ex there. 908 00:49:21,750 --> 00:49:30,320 Now. He described a day where the other guy messaged him and said, hey. 909 00:49:31,240 --> 00:49:32,440 They were using names. 910 00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:34,840 But hey, your wife is having a really bad day. 911 00:49:35,350 --> 00:49:37,390 I can't manage to cheer her up. 912 00:49:37,930 --> 00:49:42,370 Um, you might want to reach out and just check on her and make sure she's okay. 913 00:49:42,850 --> 00:49:44,200 And he did. 914 00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:45,430 And that was helpful. 915 00:49:45,430 --> 00:49:50,620 And he described it as, um, it was almost like we were a team. 916 00:49:51,820 --> 00:49:52,990 And I think about that. 917 00:49:52,990 --> 00:49:55,660 And I think that's really honestly it's kind of beautiful. 918 00:49:56,500 --> 00:50:02,830 Mrs Sno: Well, but if you can have that, if you can have that level of intimacy and trust and 919 00:50:02,830 --> 00:50:06,070 relationship with more than one man like that, that's all good, right? 920 00:50:06,070 --> 00:50:09,580 But with that also comes potentially a lot of other complications. 921 00:50:09,580 --> 00:50:17,800 Mr Sno: It does. And as I was pondering that in our own context, and like if you had a boyfriend 922 00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:21,040 and the boyfriend messaged me and said something like that. 923 00:50:22,610 --> 00:50:24,260 I think I'd struggle with it. 924 00:50:24,260 --> 00:50:25,400 Mrs Sno: Yeah, because I agree. 925 00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:31,250 Mr Sno: Here's the thing I am perfectly happy and I don't like to use the word share you as 926 00:50:31,250 --> 00:50:33,380 though somehow you you belong to me. 927 00:50:33,380 --> 00:50:35,120 But I don't want to share. 928 00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:37,310 Like I like sharing you sexually, right? 929 00:50:37,310 --> 00:50:39,560 I don't want to share you romantically or emotionally. 930 00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:49,220 Right. And I agree with you in that let's say there were a guy that you had fun with. 931 00:50:49,790 --> 00:50:54,170 Liked. You guys were friends and you were play partners. 932 00:50:55,010 --> 00:50:57,050 I think I'd be okay with that. 933 00:50:57,600 --> 00:50:59,610 I think I'd be okay with that. 934 00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:01,680 To a point. 935 00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:06,660 Yeah. You know, if you guys went out and talked about life and had drinks and and 936 00:51:06,660 --> 00:51:09,210 played, I really do think I'd be okay with that. 937 00:51:10,650 --> 00:51:15,420 But if you guys were texting each other and calling, if you had a bad day and you called 938 00:51:15,420 --> 00:51:18,750 him and not me, I think that's the day it would upset me. 939 00:51:18,780 --> 00:51:21,060 Mhm. I think that's the day it would upset me. 940 00:51:21,540 --> 00:51:23,070 Mrs Sno: Right. And I don't. 941 00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:29,720 And I just don't think I'd want to even I don't think I'd want to even toy with that. 942 00:51:29,750 --> 00:51:35,240 Mr Sno: I understand the idea of I very much get that because that's how I feel about the poly 943 00:51:35,240 --> 00:51:37,720 thing. We're not going down that road. 944 00:51:37,720 --> 00:51:40,870 But. Polly just scares me. 945 00:51:40,870 --> 00:51:44,260 And I know there are people who do it very well, and they do it very successfully. 946 00:51:44,260 --> 00:51:46,090 And I'm not down on Polly. 947 00:51:46,330 --> 00:51:51,190 Mrs Sno: I've no doubt that just like any relationship, a poly relationship can just be 948 00:51:51,190 --> 00:51:53,140 that much more complicated sometimes. 949 00:51:53,140 --> 00:51:58,210 Mr Sno: Well, and that's just it. I think for me, when I look at a poly relationship, I am 950 00:51:58,210 --> 00:51:59,230 afraid of it. 951 00:51:59,650 --> 00:52:04,480 And it is its fear because it's like, well, what if this gets out of hand? 952 00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:06,970 Mrs Sno: But what if one person decides they don't like anybody? 953 00:52:06,970 --> 00:52:09,910 Mr Sno: Or what if or what if my wife and the other guy. 954 00:52:11,370 --> 00:52:15,180 Decide that they're so into each other that they don't need us anymore. 955 00:52:15,180 --> 00:52:16,380 And you know what I mean? 956 00:52:16,380 --> 00:52:19,320 Like, you're absolutely playing with emotional fire. 957 00:52:19,350 --> 00:52:21,270 Yeah, I really think you are. 958 00:52:21,930 --> 00:52:28,750 Um. So I think and that's where going back to this scenario with me and playing solo and 959 00:52:28,750 --> 00:52:31,930 whatnot. I think that's what I've been a little bit nervous about. 960 00:52:31,930 --> 00:52:33,040 Not that. 961 00:52:33,730 --> 00:52:37,480 I don't worry that I'm going to catch feelings, so to speak. 962 00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:40,930 Um, I'm not worried that she is either. 963 00:52:41,260 --> 00:52:43,330 Mhm. But it does. 964 00:52:43,330 --> 00:52:44,650 It does. 965 00:52:45,290 --> 00:52:47,750 Make me kind of stop and say, ah. 966 00:52:48,810 --> 00:52:50,430 Is this okay to do? 967 00:52:50,790 --> 00:52:55,000 Mrs Sno: Yeah. Well, and I think. 968 00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:57,370 It is okay. 969 00:52:57,370 --> 00:53:02,050 By by by me, I mean by our between us. 970 00:53:02,050 --> 00:53:06,640 Yeah. Um, I think part of it is reassuring yourself in your own way. 971 00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:07,990 Right? Right. 972 00:53:08,170 --> 00:53:11,260 Um, but also being honest with yourself in that. 973 00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:14,830 Whether I'm okay with it or not. 974 00:53:14,830 --> 00:53:17,230 If you get to that point and it's. 975 00:53:17,990 --> 00:53:21,830 You're too much in your head about it or you're really second guessing it, despite you 976 00:53:21,830 --> 00:53:26,480 know what you've been told and you just don't feel comfortable with it, then that's 977 00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:29,030 something that you have to be honest with yourself about, right? 978 00:53:29,030 --> 00:53:30,710 Mr Sno: You know what I said to her? 979 00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:33,560 And this is this is me. 980 00:53:33,950 --> 00:53:37,790 I did this on purpose and this is me kind of protecting myself. 981 00:53:38,670 --> 00:53:43,110 Because I told you about the confidence thing in me, and I feel like I've kind of 982 00:53:43,110 --> 00:53:44,130 gone backwards. 983 00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:46,650 I specifically asked her. 984 00:53:46,650 --> 00:53:51,870 I said, hey, listen, if we get to a point where play is like on the table or. 985 00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:54,350 Going to happen or whatever. 986 00:53:55,670 --> 00:54:00,560 Please promise me that you won't do it unless you really want to. 987 00:54:00,590 --> 00:54:05,280 Yeah. Because I think it's very common. 988 00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:07,740 We've run into this in the lifestyle where sometimes. 989 00:54:09,700 --> 00:54:11,050 You just go along with it? 990 00:54:11,050 --> 00:54:12,700 Mrs Sno: Yeah. Oh, I've been guilty of that. 991 00:54:12,700 --> 00:54:13,090 You know. 992 00:54:13,090 --> 00:54:19,030 Mr Sno: And I think where I'm at, confidence wise and so on and so forth, I think. 993 00:54:19,790 --> 00:54:22,040 I don't I don't want a bad experience again. 994 00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:29,660 Like, I don't want, uh, a bad, you know, kind of a matte type experience if it's not 995 00:54:29,660 --> 00:54:30,770 going to be fun. 996 00:54:30,770 --> 00:54:33,410 And we're not really both into it, I don't want to do it at all. 997 00:54:33,410 --> 00:54:36,830 Yeah. You know, and it felt kind of weird asking her that. 998 00:54:37,340 --> 00:54:42,800 Mrs Sno: Yeah, but I think because you and her and the four of us have had these conversations and 999 00:54:43,250 --> 00:54:46,220 she's aware and understanding of kind of the all the thoughts. 1000 00:54:46,220 --> 00:54:47,840 Right? I mean, I think she's. 1001 00:54:48,830 --> 00:54:50,060 Yeah. No, she took it. 1002 00:54:50,060 --> 00:54:51,680 I don't get the sense that she would do that anyway. 1003 00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:55,430 Mr Sno: No, I prob probably I hope not, probably not. 1004 00:54:55,700 --> 00:54:57,650 Um, but we'll see how it goes. 1005 00:54:57,650 --> 00:55:00,110 So this conversation. 1006 00:55:01,430 --> 00:55:06,200 We we kind of intentionally didn't have this conversation until now. 1007 00:55:06,230 --> 00:55:08,040 Um. Um. 1008 00:55:08,930 --> 00:55:14,540 And it seemed like a perfect opportunity to share this conversation with our listeners 1009 00:55:14,540 --> 00:55:18,470 because we we talk up all the time about how communication is important. 1010 00:55:18,470 --> 00:55:23,240 Yeah, this conversation we're having now, we're really having for the first time, I 1011 00:55:23,240 --> 00:55:25,790 almost want to say like, this is what it should sound like. 1012 00:55:25,790 --> 00:55:28,220 Yeah. When you have these conversations. 1013 00:55:28,220 --> 00:55:28,730 Yeah. 1014 00:55:28,730 --> 00:55:32,960 Mrs Sno: Well, like how vulnerable you need to be, like, it's okay to be vulnerable, but it's 1015 00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:37,130 also okay to be relieved to have them or. 1016 00:55:37,130 --> 00:55:40,850 I mean, it's there's a lot of anxiety that sometimes builds up in these types of 1017 00:55:40,850 --> 00:55:45,200 conversations right before you have them and even during to some degree. 1018 00:55:45,590 --> 00:55:51,020 Um, but if you can't kind of lean into that a little bit and try to just work through it 1019 00:55:51,020 --> 00:55:53,510 and press on with your person. 1020 00:55:53,510 --> 00:55:58,880 When we talk about dynamics, that's like the root of all of this, right? 1021 00:55:59,150 --> 00:56:03,110 You know, and it's it's a it's like this ever evolving. 1022 00:56:03,890 --> 00:56:06,080 Living, breathing thing. 1023 00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:07,550 You know, it is. 1024 00:56:07,550 --> 00:56:08,330 Mr Sno: Because it changes. 1025 00:56:08,330 --> 00:56:15,530 Mrs Sno: It changes. And and so it's so important with with all of that change and evolution, if you 1026 00:56:15,530 --> 00:56:20,390 will, that you have these conversations and you revisit these conversations. 1027 00:56:20,390 --> 00:56:23,720 Right. Because right now this is where we're feeling and this is how we're at. 1028 00:56:23,720 --> 00:56:29,060 Cool. Well, next week when you have this, after you have this experience and maybe we 1029 00:56:29,060 --> 00:56:33,320 have another experience or whatever and certain things come up, we're going to have 1030 00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:35,690 another conversation and maybe things will be different. 1031 00:56:35,690 --> 00:56:36,260 Mr Sno: Right. 1032 00:56:36,260 --> 00:56:37,490 Mrs Sno: And that's okay. 1033 00:56:37,490 --> 00:56:42,230 So you have to kind of be willing not only to have the conversation, but also be willing 1034 00:56:42,260 --> 00:56:51,230 to adapt and, and, and potentially change and be open to the fact that I know I said I 1035 00:56:51,230 --> 00:56:54,830 was okay with this, but after thinking about it and after having this thought or this 1036 00:56:54,830 --> 00:56:57,200 experience, now I'm thinking this. 1037 00:56:57,200 --> 00:56:58,640 Mr Sno: Right, well, and that's it too. 1038 00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:02,420 I you know, I wanted to mention and I know you know that. 1039 00:57:03,710 --> 00:57:09,950 I hope you would text me or something, or even call me if at some point in the evening 1040 00:57:09,950 --> 00:57:12,710 if you said, hey, listen, I really am not comfortable with all this. 1041 00:57:12,710 --> 00:57:14,360 Yeah, I don't want this to happen. 1042 00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:17,270 Sure, that would be perfectly fine, right? 1043 00:57:18,310 --> 00:57:22,870 Right. Um, and the the only answer you'll get back is no problem. 1044 00:57:22,870 --> 00:57:24,550 Yeah. Yeah. 1045 00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:29,630 Um. I admit I will be checking my phone less. 1046 00:57:31,550 --> 00:57:34,380 After. Penetration. 1047 00:57:34,380 --> 00:57:36,150 Mrs Sno: Oh, good to know, good to know. 1048 00:57:36,150 --> 00:57:39,810 Mr Sno: I'm not gonna have my phone in my hand just in case. 1049 00:57:40,140 --> 00:57:42,240 But I'll leave the ringer on, I don't know. 1050 00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:43,410 Mrs Sno: Yeah. All right. 1051 00:57:43,620 --> 00:57:45,000 Will you leave the ringer on? 1052 00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:45,660 Mr Sno: I don't know, maybe. 1053 00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:51,750 Mrs Sno: Probably not. But if it's in your pants pocket by the door, you know it's not gonna 1054 00:57:51,750 --> 00:57:52,020 happen. 1055 00:57:52,110 --> 00:57:53,520 Mr Sno: Oh, baby, I didn't hear it ring. 1056 00:57:54,870 --> 00:57:56,190 Mrs Sno: No, but I hear that. 1057 00:57:56,190 --> 00:57:58,200 And I get that, and I know that that's true. 1058 00:57:58,410 --> 00:58:01,440 Um. I guess I would just want. 1059 00:58:02,900 --> 00:58:03,530 So do you. 1060 00:58:04,310 --> 00:58:06,560 Mr Sno: Do you want to know like. 1061 00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:09,140 Mrs Sno: Well, I would want to know if you're going to go play the play. 1062 00:58:09,140 --> 00:58:10,790 Mr Sno: By play, like, do you want to know? 1063 00:58:10,790 --> 00:58:13,670 Mrs Sno: I don't want to know when you stick it in and when you pull it out, when you stick it back 1064 00:58:13,670 --> 00:58:16,070 in. No, but I think I do want to know. 1065 00:58:16,220 --> 00:58:17,570 Mr Sno: Okay. It's back in. Oh, wait. 1066 00:58:17,570 --> 00:58:19,190 Hold on, hold on. I'm readjusting. 1067 00:58:19,190 --> 00:58:20,210 Oh, we're changing position. 1068 00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:21,260 Leg cramp. 1069 00:58:22,550 --> 00:58:28,220 Mrs Sno: Fucking leg cramps. Um, I think I, I, I do want to know if you if you guys are going to 1070 00:58:28,220 --> 00:58:30,800 go play. Yeah, yeah. 1071 00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:34,250 Mr Sno: And let me ask you, I understand that because I'd want to know too. 1072 00:58:34,250 --> 00:58:36,290 But why do you want to know? 1073 00:58:36,530 --> 00:58:38,750 Like, why do you want that particular message? 1074 00:58:41,430 --> 00:58:42,960 Mrs Sno: I don't know. I just want to know. 1075 00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:43,530 Yeah. 1076 00:58:44,100 --> 00:58:45,330 Mr Sno: Yeah, I don't know because. 1077 00:58:45,330 --> 00:58:46,500 Mrs Sno: I the same way. Because you know what it is. 1078 00:58:46,500 --> 00:58:48,330 Because I want, you know what it is. 1079 00:58:48,330 --> 00:58:50,790 Because I need to be prepared for when you come home. 1080 00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:55,000 Mr Sno: Oh, how would you prepare differently? 1081 00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:59,980 Mrs Sno: Well, if you played, I would think there would potentially be a little bit more of an 1082 00:58:59,980 --> 00:59:02,020 intimate connection when you got back. 1083 00:59:02,020 --> 00:59:05,290 Oh, versus if you were just doing drinks and I would just go to bed. 1084 00:59:08,710 --> 00:59:12,670 However, if you were to play, you may come home to me naked on the bed, you know what I 1085 00:59:12,670 --> 00:59:12,940 mean? 1086 00:59:12,940 --> 00:59:17,860 Mr Sno: Am I am I putting on my comfy sweatpants or am I putting on leggings? 1087 00:59:17,860 --> 00:59:19,060 Right. Okay. 1088 00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:21,190 I'm going to tell you we're playing either way. 1089 00:59:21,790 --> 00:59:22,960 Mrs Sno: Yeah no I know. 1090 00:59:24,130 --> 00:59:25,210 Um, well. 1091 00:59:25,210 --> 00:59:26,620 And just common courtesy. 1092 00:59:26,620 --> 00:59:30,220 Like, you know, when are you going to be home by, like, just to kind of get an idea. 1093 00:59:30,220 --> 00:59:36,130 Mr Sno: Right. So some of the, the people that have responded to this on discord and on Twitter, 1094 00:59:36,130 --> 00:59:42,700 because I put messages in both places about solo play and how this works with other 1095 00:59:42,700 --> 00:59:44,800 couples. Um. 1096 00:59:45,650 --> 00:59:53,060 The. The I got a lot of common responses in that communication is always the key. 1097 00:59:53,060 --> 00:59:54,410 Everyone agrees with that. 1098 00:59:54,410 --> 01:00:00,200 Oh yeah. Um, there was one message that came in from. 1099 01:00:00,910 --> 01:00:02,800 Lee. That was interesting. 1100 01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:08,950 He mentioned a couple that they know they have a 24 hour rule, which is interesting to 1101 01:00:08,950 --> 01:00:14,470 me. I would not be down with this, but their rule among themselves is they have 24 hours 1102 01:00:14,470 --> 01:00:17,620 to disclose to the other person when play has happened. 1103 01:00:17,620 --> 01:00:20,050 So it's kind of like after the fact. 1104 01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:22,750 Mrs Sno: Oh, so they have no knowledge beforehand? 1105 01:00:22,750 --> 01:00:24,340 Mr Sno: They maybe not. 1106 01:00:24,340 --> 01:00:24,910 Mrs Sno: Maybe not. 1107 01:00:24,910 --> 01:00:27,160 Mr Sno: Maybe, like, I guess I should say like not necessarily. 1108 01:00:29,190 --> 01:00:33,600 Um, but within 24 hours of play happening, they have to have told the other person. 1109 01:00:33,600 --> 01:00:34,080 Mrs Sno: Yeah. 1110 01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:35,700 Mr Sno: No, that's to me. 1111 01:00:35,700 --> 01:00:37,110 I want to know ahead of time. 1112 01:00:37,140 --> 01:00:40,110 Um, partly because it's exciting. 1113 01:00:40,620 --> 01:00:43,050 Mrs Sno: Well, part of what you get out of it is not. 1114 01:00:44,660 --> 01:00:46,490 It's that knowing like. 1115 01:00:46,490 --> 01:00:52,160 Mr Sno: If you if the situation, the roles were reversed and you were going out with a guy, 1116 01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:56,300 first of all, that would turn me the fuck on, like right out of the gate. 1117 01:00:57,380 --> 01:01:00,110 Um, you're going out with a guy I want to know. 1118 01:01:00,380 --> 01:01:03,410 Like, every time you get up and go to the bathroom, I want an update. 1119 01:01:04,090 --> 01:01:05,710 Like, how's it going? 1120 01:01:05,710 --> 01:01:06,910 Are you having fun? 1121 01:01:06,910 --> 01:01:08,770 Has he touched your leg yet? 1122 01:01:08,860 --> 01:01:11,020 Mrs Sno: You know, did we talk about how fucking needy you are? 1123 01:01:11,050 --> 01:01:13,000 Mr Sno: Did we talk about how needy I am? 1124 01:01:13,120 --> 01:01:15,100 Mrs Sno: I'm like, yeah, whatever. I'll text you a couple times. 1125 01:01:15,100 --> 01:01:16,570 You're like, I want to know every fucking day. 1126 01:01:16,750 --> 01:01:18,100 Mr Sno: I want to know every fucking moment. 1127 01:01:18,100 --> 01:01:24,220 And then like I if once I got the message from you like, hey, we're going to go play or 1128 01:01:24,220 --> 01:01:28,480 we're going back to his place or whatever the message might be, I have had millions of 1129 01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:30,460 examples in my imagination. 1130 01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:33,790 This has gone so many ways in my head. 1131 01:01:33,790 --> 01:01:36,880 Uh, it would, I would, I would just be. 1132 01:01:37,530 --> 01:01:41,700 I would be beside myself, distracted by it. 1133 01:01:41,700 --> 01:01:47,820 When we first started way back in the very early, early days in the before times. 1134 01:01:47,820 --> 01:01:48,840 Yeah, okay. 1135 01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:51,180 Mrs Sno: Before. Before lifestyle after. 1136 01:01:51,180 --> 01:01:52,950 Mr Sno: Lifestyle before lifestyle after lifestyle. 1137 01:01:52,950 --> 01:01:54,030 In the before times. 1138 01:01:54,030 --> 01:01:59,280 When we first got into this and we were on kick, which everybody was on kick, that was 1139 01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:00,300 the messenger app. 1140 01:02:00,300 --> 01:02:02,400 It's splintered now, but. 1141 01:02:03,330 --> 01:02:06,090 You were chatting with guys back then? 1142 01:02:06,090 --> 01:02:06,630 Mrs Sno: Yeah. 1143 01:02:06,630 --> 01:02:09,720 Mr Sno: And I that we had just gotten into this. 1144 01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:16,260 I had kind of screened a guy and you were now starting to talk to this person, and I 1145 01:02:16,260 --> 01:02:18,060 was going on a business trip. 1146 01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:21,300 So I was getting on an airplane. 1147 01:02:21,570 --> 01:02:23,550 And you. 1148 01:02:23,550 --> 01:02:25,680 I knew you were talking to this guy. 1149 01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:28,560 And I knew that it was kind of naughty. 1150 01:02:28,890 --> 01:02:32,460 And then I got on an airplane and I had to turn my fucking phone off. 1151 01:02:33,140 --> 01:02:38,720 I spent the next three hours in the most delicious torture of my life. 1152 01:02:39,260 --> 01:02:42,410 And then I got on the ground and I turned on my phone, like, really fast. 1153 01:02:42,410 --> 01:02:43,820 And I'm like, oh my God, what's been happening? 1154 01:02:44,090 --> 01:02:48,260 What's been happening? And you were at the grocery store texting with this guy. 1155 01:02:48,290 --> 01:02:54,080 Mhm. And you got so horny that you just abandoned it and went home and got off. 1156 01:02:54,110 --> 01:02:54,350 Mhm. 1157 01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:59,840 Mrs Sno: That's true. That was definitely my younger years but that. 1158 01:03:00,710 --> 01:03:02,270 Mr Sno: Oh that's so hot though. 1159 01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:05,440 Mrs Sno: Yeah, I get it. 1160 01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:09,640 And it is hot. I guess I just, I don't like I don't have any desire to do that anymore. 1161 01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:11,890 I don't it's really what it comes down to. 1162 01:03:11,890 --> 01:03:16,270 I feel like I'm like this old fuddy duddy, but like, I just I don't have the emotional 1163 01:03:16,270 --> 01:03:18,790 bandwidth to engage with, with men. 1164 01:03:19,340 --> 01:03:21,290 That are not like in my present. 1165 01:03:21,290 --> 01:03:23,480 Like like I don't want to text you all day. 1166 01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:26,720 Mr Sno: Right, right, right. You want that more physical, personal connection. 1167 01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:30,380 Mrs Sno: And I even feel that way sometimes with you, like, you and I have that conversation, like, 1168 01:03:30,590 --> 01:03:31,970 sometimes I don't want to text you. 1169 01:03:31,970 --> 01:03:34,190 I just want to have a conversation and fuck you. 1170 01:03:35,660 --> 01:03:36,350 Speaker3: Damn. 1171 01:03:37,310 --> 01:03:39,620 Mrs Sno: Do you know what I mean? Like, I and I am not. 1172 01:03:40,010 --> 01:03:43,370 I'm really bad at foreplay sometimes because I just want to get to it. 1173 01:03:45,260 --> 01:03:46,640 It's the same kind of I'm. 1174 01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:47,750 You are gratifying. 1175 01:03:47,750 --> 01:03:50,510 Mr Sno: Yourself so hard on this podcast today. 1176 01:03:50,510 --> 01:03:53,360 Mrs Sno: This is the problem with having these conversations before you have these 1177 01:03:53,360 --> 01:03:58,040 conversations. God damn it, you just wanted to pay me in a bad light. 1178 01:03:58,760 --> 01:04:00,860 Mr Sno: I you've said it all yourself. 1179 01:04:00,860 --> 01:04:02,300 Mrs Sno: Yeah, you set this up. 1180 01:04:06,260 --> 01:04:07,670 But I just. 1181 01:04:08,390 --> 01:04:10,730 It's such a it's such a physical thing for me. 1182 01:04:11,240 --> 01:04:13,250 Yeah, and I'm not. 1183 01:04:13,250 --> 01:04:17,600 I don't want to make it seem like I don't like you can defend me a little here. 1184 01:04:17,600 --> 01:04:20,000 Like. I mean, I'm not, like, 100%. 1185 01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:21,500 No foreplay, no nothing. 1186 01:04:21,770 --> 01:04:27,320 But I don't know, like, there there are times and places for both and and the the 1187 01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:34,010 foreplay and the intimacy and the sensuality is not something I want to do with anybody 1188 01:04:34,010 --> 01:04:34,790 else but you. 1189 01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:37,520 Mr Sno: I think when it comes down to for you is the. 1190 01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:41,390 Use. Okay, so here's where I'm going to challenge this. 1191 01:04:41,660 --> 01:04:48,410 For one thing I understand because I know you the whole texting chatting thing doesn't 1192 01:04:48,440 --> 01:04:50,090 turn you on, right? 1193 01:04:50,090 --> 01:04:52,130 That's just not exciting for you. 1194 01:04:52,130 --> 01:04:54,290 Right. And and that's perfectly fine. 1195 01:04:54,290 --> 01:04:59,630 I know plenty of people who will say, I do not have time to sit there and message all 1196 01:04:59,630 --> 01:04:59,810 day. 1197 01:04:59,810 --> 01:05:00,590 Mrs Sno: Long, I don't. 1198 01:05:00,590 --> 01:05:02,720 Mr Sno: Yeah. And and I absolutely get that. 1199 01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:04,400 Here's where I'm going to challenge you. 1200 01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:06,440 And I am 100% right on this. 1201 01:05:06,440 --> 01:05:08,810 Mrs Sno: So we're just going to come in like that 100%. 1202 01:05:09,650 --> 01:05:12,830 Mr Sno: So you say I only want to do that with you. 1203 01:05:12,830 --> 01:05:19,310 Bullshit. If we were at a restaurant or a bar or whatever, and there was another guy 1204 01:05:19,580 --> 01:05:22,070 and he was paying attention to you, but. 1205 01:05:22,070 --> 01:05:24,350 Mrs Sno: I'm not texting him. He's physically there, I get it. 1206 01:05:24,350 --> 01:05:26,600 Mr Sno: But that's my point. So we're at the bar. 1207 01:05:26,600 --> 01:05:30,560 There's some other are at a club or wherever we are, there's some other guy paying 1208 01:05:30,560 --> 01:05:32,330 attention to you and flirting with you. 1209 01:05:32,360 --> 01:05:35,090 You are going to go with that 100% every time. 1210 01:05:36,350 --> 01:05:37,430 Because you love. 1211 01:05:37,430 --> 01:05:39,140 Mrs Sno: That. I didn't say I wasn't going to do that. 1212 01:05:39,140 --> 01:05:41,390 I just said, like, I don't want to fucking text you all day. 1213 01:05:41,390 --> 01:05:46,130 Mr Sno: Well, what you what you did say, and I don't think you meant it was I would I only want to 1214 01:05:46,130 --> 01:05:48,680 do that with you. And that's not the truth. 1215 01:05:48,680 --> 01:05:50,060 Mrs Sno: But it's different. 1216 01:05:50,060 --> 01:05:56,990 There is a difference between, like, rolling around and making out and being sensual. 1217 01:05:56,990 --> 01:05:58,700 Mr Sno: I'm talking about even before then. 1218 01:05:58,850 --> 01:06:00,710 Like in the. In the club or in the bar. 1219 01:06:00,710 --> 01:06:05,870 In the restaurant with you two flirting and dancing and you know. 1220 01:06:05,870 --> 01:06:06,020 Right. 1221 01:06:06,020 --> 01:06:08,510 Mrs Sno: But that that's not the same thing that I'm talking about though. 1222 01:06:08,510 --> 01:06:09,920 Mr Sno: But when you talk about. 1223 01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:11,000 But see, that's what I'm getting at. 1224 01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:14,540 You always say, I'm so bad at foreplay, I don't like foreplay or whatever. 1225 01:06:14,540 --> 01:06:16,610 That's not even true. 1226 01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:19,730 Because you're very good at foreplay. 1227 01:06:19,730 --> 01:06:21,800 You're very good at flirting. 1228 01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:23,810 Mrs Sno: I'm very bad at naked foreplay. 1229 01:06:23,810 --> 01:06:27,950 Mr Sno: You are. I mean, once the clothes come off, you definitely want to fuck, but, like. 1230 01:06:28,160 --> 01:06:29,810 Mrs Sno: So that's what it is. I'm bad at naked. 1231 01:06:29,990 --> 01:06:32,840 Mr Sno: But you are very, very good at clothed foreplay. 1232 01:06:34,430 --> 01:06:39,170 And I think you very much underestimate the value of clothed foreplay. 1233 01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:41,150 Mrs Sno: I think there's probably some truth to that because. 1234 01:06:41,570 --> 01:06:45,620 Because I kind of picture foreplay as naked for like, no, when I think of foreplay, I 1235 01:06:45,620 --> 01:06:48,500 think of it more in the naked sense than in the clothed sense. 1236 01:06:48,500 --> 01:06:49,730 Mr Sno: Right. And it can be. 1237 01:06:49,730 --> 01:06:54,710 But for me, see, and this is where I think you and I differ, you know, and this goes 1238 01:06:54,710 --> 01:06:57,230 back to my whole connection with people and everything else. 1239 01:06:57,930 --> 01:07:01,770 I have to have that playful build up. 1240 01:07:02,280 --> 01:07:07,680 That playful build up sometimes for us starts in the morning and goes all day. 1241 01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:11,070 Yeah. Um, it can happen starting at the bar. 1242 01:07:11,070 --> 01:07:12,150 It can start whatever. 1243 01:07:12,150 --> 01:07:15,120 It's. It's those flirty looks, it's jokes. 1244 01:07:15,120 --> 01:07:18,360 It's physical, bumpy contact here and there. 1245 01:07:18,360 --> 01:07:21,870 It's all that stuff for me. 1246 01:07:21,870 --> 01:07:23,460 That's foreplay. 1247 01:07:23,520 --> 01:07:25,800 Um, you know, it doesn't have. 1248 01:07:25,800 --> 01:07:28,740 You don't have to tickle my balls with a feather, you know? 1249 01:07:28,740 --> 01:07:31,950 I mean, not that I'll turn you away if you do, but. 1250 01:07:32,790 --> 01:07:35,460 But truly that foreplay piece. 1251 01:07:35,460 --> 01:07:36,960 And you're very good at that. 1252 01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:40,740 And I think you would very much enjoy doing that with someone else. 1253 01:07:41,010 --> 01:07:42,540 Mrs Sno: Yes. Okay. 1254 01:07:42,540 --> 01:07:43,950 That's fair, that's fair. 1255 01:07:43,950 --> 01:07:47,400 But I guess in my head there is a difference between like intimate. 1256 01:07:48,260 --> 01:07:50,990 Like sexy time than sport fucking. 1257 01:07:50,990 --> 01:07:53,180 Mr Sno: Well, there's. I agree with you. 1258 01:07:53,180 --> 01:07:55,820 I mean, you're not going to make love with somebody else. 1259 01:07:55,820 --> 01:07:57,080 No. Right. 1260 01:07:57,080 --> 01:07:59,720 That there is a difference in that Penguin. 1261 01:08:00,020 --> 01:08:02,810 You're my. Yeah, I'm a I'm a good penguin. 1262 01:08:03,170 --> 01:08:05,090 Somebody brought that up on Twitter the other day. 1263 01:08:05,090 --> 01:08:08,570 We were talking about, like, quote, stickers that people might want. 1264 01:08:08,570 --> 01:08:10,640 And somebody was like, I'm gonna be a good penguin. 1265 01:08:11,870 --> 01:08:13,700 Mrs Sno: And if you don't try to be a good penguin. 1266 01:08:13,700 --> 01:08:16,430 Mr Sno: If you don't get that reference, you're a shitty fan. 1267 01:08:19,670 --> 01:08:22,640 Mrs Sno: I don't think we should, I don't think listen, you're right. 1268 01:08:22,640 --> 01:08:24,770 Mr Sno: We can't afford that. Come back, come back, come back! 1269 01:08:24,770 --> 01:08:25,280 I didn't mean. 1270 01:08:25,280 --> 01:08:28,310 Speaker3: It. God. 1271 01:08:28,310 --> 01:08:31,640 Mr Sno: All right, well, listen, I think we've beaten this horse as badly as we can, but. 1272 01:08:31,640 --> 01:08:33,950 Yeah, I'm going on a date tomorrow. 1273 01:08:33,950 --> 01:08:34,550 Mrs Sno: Yeah. 1274 01:08:34,970 --> 01:08:36,830 Mr Sno: And I might get laid. 1275 01:08:37,950 --> 01:08:39,930 It might not, though. 1276 01:08:39,930 --> 01:08:41,010 Mrs Sno: Might not? Probably not. 1277 01:08:43,020 --> 01:08:44,910 Mr Sno: Oh, God. Here we go. 1278 01:08:45,450 --> 01:08:47,580 Confidence battle number ten. 1279 01:08:47,580 --> 01:08:48,270 Speaker3: No no. 1280 01:08:48,270 --> 01:08:49,410 Mrs Sno: No no. You'll get laid. 1281 01:08:49,410 --> 01:08:51,000 You just might get laid by me. 1282 01:08:51,480 --> 01:08:52,680 Maybe it's Monday. 1283 01:08:52,710 --> 01:08:54,750 Gotta. You gotta fuck. Your wife won't want. 1284 01:08:55,980 --> 01:08:56,490 Speaker3: Oh my God. 1285 01:08:56,520 --> 01:08:56,790 Mrs Sno: Sorry. 1286 01:08:56,790 --> 01:08:57,660 Speaker3: Not sorry. 1287 01:08:57,690 --> 01:08:59,430 Mr Sno: Okay, well, if you're still there. 1288 01:08:59,430 --> 01:09:01,020 Listener. Thank you. 1289 01:09:01,650 --> 01:09:03,060 We're going to go now. 1290 01:09:03,090 --> 01:09:05,280 We have to get back to our muggle vanilla lives. 1291 01:09:05,580 --> 01:09:06,930 Mrs Sno: Vanilla lives. Oh, yeah. 1292 01:09:06,930 --> 01:09:08,010 Well, we do, don't we? 1293 01:09:08,010 --> 01:09:09,870 Mr Sno: But we'll talk to you next time. 1294 01:09:09,870 --> 01:09:10,350 Speaker3: Yeah. 1295 01:09:10,350 --> 01:09:12,300 Mrs Sno: oHappy Thursday. 1296 01:09:12,810 --> 01:09:13,890 Bye bye. 1297 01:09:13,890 --> 01:09:15,450 We want to hear from you. 1298 01:09:15,450 --> 01:09:18,630 Email us at Sno mILF at yahoo.com. 1299 01:09:18,630 --> 01:09:23,490 That's Sno m.i.l.f at yahoo.com. 1300 01:09:23,490 --> 01:09:28,620 You can also join us on our discord and have some fun interactive conversations with us. 1301 01:09:28,620 --> 01:09:30,300 The link is in the show notes. 1302 01:09:30,300 --> 01:09:31,710 Talk to you soon!