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What do you do when your role
models in science tell you it's

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too late to fix climate change?

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Today, I wanna speak directly to
the young scientists who listen to

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this podcast, who refuse to give
up even when the people they're

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supposed to look up to already have.

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We're gonna talk about that
on today's episode of the How

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to Protect the Ocean Podcast.

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Let's start the show.

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Hey everybody.

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Welcome back to another exciting episode
of the How to Protect the Ocean Podcast.

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I'm your host, Andrew Lewin, and this
is the podcast where you find out what's

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happening with the ocean, how you can
speak up for the ocean, what you can do to

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live for a better ocean by taking action.

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On today's episode, I'm gonna be
speaking right directly to young

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scientists who want to do something
about climate change, especially

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within the ocean conservation world.

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Whether you're a scientist, even
if you're an ocean conservationist

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and you're new to this.

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I want you guys to feel everyone to
feel, Hey, I could do something, and I

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don't want you to let people talk you
out of it, but I'm gonna give you some

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context on why they may be speaking to
you and saying, Hey, by the way, this,

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what you're trying to do may not work.

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So I don't want you to feel down.

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I want to give you a little bit of
context of why they're feeling that

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way, from someone who's mid-career
and already starting to get jaded

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like this ocean conservation field.

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And I want you to just understand that.

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But first what I want to do is
kind of talk you about how I

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got inspired to do this episode.

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I received an email from a young
scientist, a young lady who kind

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of just told me what she was being
frustrated in, and it was her mentors

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were telling her, Hey, you know what?

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We appreciate how  gung-ho you are to
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but it's really not gonna work.

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kind of feel both sides to this 'cause
I've been that young scientist who felt

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that way and who got told the same thing.

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And I feel like all young
scientists get told that.

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But I'm also almost at the age where I'm
like, I understand where some of these

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older scientists that are mentors who are
just like, Hey, I wanna look out for you.

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What you think you're
gonna do may not work out.

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'cause it's very easy to get jaded.

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It's very easy to get frustrated.

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And if you talk to anybody who's
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you're gonna see that they're
more skeptical than anything else.

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Because as what happens is when you first
start in ocean conservation, whether

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you're a scientist, whether you're ocean
conservationist or anything like that, you

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are bright-eyed and bushy-tailed, right?

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You're ready to go.

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You're ready to do this.

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You've been spoken to by scientists,
maybe the very same scientists that

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you now work and look up to at some
point in your life when you were in

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elementary school or middle school
or high school, or even university.

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And you have been spoken to by some
of the people there who have been

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providing environmental education
saying, Hey, you're the difference.

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You're the future.

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It's up to you.

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We kind of screwed up the planet.

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It's up to you.

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And then you grow into that, and then
all of a sudden you do university

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and you start to talk to professors.

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You look at what's in front of
you and what all the different

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possibilities and different ways you
can go through science or conservation

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or wherever you decide to go.

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And you're like, Hey, I can do this.

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Like, this is really great.

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I'm getting very excited.

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And you get into the real world.

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You're outta science and you might be into
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scientist or you know, entry level field.

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You're starting to work with some of your
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with them at conferences and so forth.

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And you're like, yeah, I
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I can't wait to do this.

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I can't wait to do that.

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And then you realize they're
saying, well, hold on a second.

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Do you think you can
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We've been doing this for 30, 40 years.

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Do you think you can actually do this?

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It crushes your heart.

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It just crushes it,
and it makes you angry.

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It made me angry.

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That's how I feel.

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I am not speaking for the person
who emailed me, but I'm like,

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it made me angry to be like.

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What do you mean?

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I can't do anything?

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Like this is why I got in.

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Everybody kept telling me like, it is up
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and I'm gonna be part of the solution.

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I'm not gonna be part of the problem.

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And I wanna support scientists and
I've done that as much as I can

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throughout my career, is to try and
not dissuade other scientists and

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conservationists from doing things.

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And I think there's a lot of emotional
weight when people get disillusioned

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by mentors or frustrated at the silence
around the responsibility, but also.

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There's still that determination to fight.

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And you're not sure if, like, do you
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it anyway or is that a good thing
or a bad thing for your career?

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Do you just put your head down and do
your science and whatever that might be?

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That might be, if it does
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If not.

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Like, that's okay.

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And that's hard because a lot of young
scientists are kind of told, like from

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a political standpoint, which a lot of
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trying to change things are political.

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When we're talking about climate
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happen at a legislative scale, whether
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like county or municipal governments,
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that needs to happen.

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And unfortunately, the people who are
elected to those positions oftentimes

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are not ready for the commitment to
fight climate change, either they're

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against climate change,  but they want
to take it from a realistic point of

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view, and so they're not fully there.

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And that's been frustrating not only for
you, but also for scientists for decades.

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And I want to give you a bit of
context of what these scientists have

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gone through that are now maybe in a
position to be mentors or to be people

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that you know, you look up to, or that
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What's happened is, you know, now
we're at a point where we're seeing

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in climate change, we're seeing the
consequences that were predicted

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10, 20, 30, 40, 50 years ago.

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Right.

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And nobody believes scientists,
we're seeing it now.

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We're seeing the wildfires,
we're seeing the droughts.

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We're seeing the increased
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We're seeing the increase in storm
surge increase in everything.

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We're seeing bad things happen to
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and it's gutting to see it.

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And the amount of money spent on
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And so what we're fighting now is we're
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Every scientist knows that.

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Every conservationist knows that.

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But it's the realism about doing it,
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of, you know, like you do in the states,
even in Canada, where both governments

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are trying to figure out economically
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And like for Canada, we're actually
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US And so we have to make decisions
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than it is about the environment.

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Unfortunately, I've
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Those decisions aren't made together.

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Those decisions are made
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So if we're making changes for the
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because we're a natural resource country,
we tend to go against the environment.

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And so that's obviously a problem.

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and so we're trying to change that.

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We're like, why aren't we doing this now?

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It's the same words that scientists that
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up to used 10, 20, 30, 40, 50 years ago.

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And their mentors did the same thing,
but the problem was is back even

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20 years ago, and we still see it
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There was denial.

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When I grew up in the nineties and early
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career, when I learned about climate
change and I learned all the intricacies

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of science and how it's affecting like the
ocean and how it's affecting freshwater

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and land and everything like that.

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And what is gonna happen in 20
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people were just denying it.

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Oh, that's not true.

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These scientists are making it up.

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I don't know why they're doing it.

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They just want funding.

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It's all this BS and blah, blah, blah.

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We've heard it  for 20 years, 30 years.

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And we know now that it was fossil fuel
companies that were sort of feeding that

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misinformation through campaigns and
like intricate campaigns and complex

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campaigns because they're the same bodies
that lobby the government and that pay

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for people to get into government that
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government so that they can make sure
that their business is gonna do well.

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And so what you have to realize that all
these companies that have been messing

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around with science, that have messing
around with scientists, really, you

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know, fueling the misinformation, age
has jaded the scientists for a long time.

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They've been attacking
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attacking scientists otherwise.

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Other ways they've been taking
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biodiversity projects and all this stuff.

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It's been really like BS and
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So in the email that was sent to me,
this audience member, you know, found

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my podcast through this show that I
entitled Climate Change and Capitalism,

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where I talked about how the greed of
capitalism has really been the driver for

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companies taking over, the government,
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in such ways where they get legislation
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You can look at any government
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Oil and gas over renewables, and
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fuel industry that's doing that.

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Even with plastic pollution.

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We see fossil fuels industries
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We see greed in terms of companies
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many fish as possible and sell
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They don't care about the legalities.

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They're gonna go to the high seas.

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And it's been a very difficult process.

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It's not artisanal fishers that are
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It is the massive companies that you're
very hard to track that, you know, have

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fishing slaves and all this bias that
happens on the high seas and elsewhere

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where they are getting away literally
with murder and they're taking all

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the fish while they do it as well.

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So it's all greed that is happening here.

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And scientists have, you know,
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I've talked about this before, where
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sort of line of figuring out trends,
whether they're positive or negative.

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If they find a negative trend, then
they try and take that trend and they

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go, Hey, you know, to the government
or to whoever they publish it in a peer

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reviewed literature paper that nobody has
access to 'cause they're super expensive

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to get because these companies who have
these journal articles just want money.

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They don't really care about
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out there for the most part.

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And they want tens of thousands
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dollars from universities that
will pay for those subscriptions.

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But people like you and I, unless they're
open access, we don't get access to those.

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So we don't have access to those.

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So what happens is these organizations,
like the NGOs and so forth.

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Forth, we'll get access to those or
researchers will reach out to them

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because they have partnerships and they
network and they get there and they get

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that information and all of a sudden
that information comes to them and

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they're like, okay, like we have the
information and we can spread it out.

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And that's how it works.

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We spread it out.

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And it goes all over the place so
that people, individuals, and other

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organizations, all that kinda stuff,
they make reports and stuff and then

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they go to the policy and they go
to the policy people and they say,

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well, this is what we need to change.

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This is why.

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And they lobby the government and
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be like, Hey, we need to get, change
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And then what happens is you see those
politicians who are backed by companies

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and corporations and so forth, look at it
and be like, wow, this is actually against

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what we're about as a party or as a
government and we need to look at this

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more carefully, and then they try and hide
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Or some will do the easy way and
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there's nothing to worry about and for
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indigenous lands and so forth, and not

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around areas that are in the continental
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is more difficult to protect because
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That's a short way of saying from a long
story of how sort of conservation works

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and the frustrating part of conservation.

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Every generation goes through it.

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We all go through our young generation
where we like, Hey, we're ready to go.

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We just graduated.

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We're ready to go.

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We're bright-eyed, bushy-tailed.

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We wanna fight against climate
change and we wanna reduce

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climate change and so forth.

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Then we get to a point
mid-career, we're like, oh,

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we've seen a lot of battles lost.

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We're getting a little more jaded.

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and they're not changing that quickly.

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Some of these disasters happen more
and more and more, and then we get

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to a point now where it's like, we're
seeing it usually every year and

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there's always something going on.

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There's always something bad happening
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climate change and everything pulled
back to climate change, and we're still

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seeing governments not to fight against
climate change or like go completely

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opposite and deny it and say it's not
really that big of a deal, or go in front

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of the UN and do all that kind of stuff.

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And so people get more and more
frustrated and we just sit there and

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there are scientists who are sitting
there and they're right in a way is.

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We are in climate change, we
are almost past the tipping

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point where we can't go back.

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still in power, whether they wanna

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make changes or not, who are still
not making changes fast enough

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because we're seeing it more and more.

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We're seeing the changes more
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A lot of them are saying,
Hey, you know what?

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We're gonna have to get used
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to go more into adaptation.

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And to be honest, that's what a lot of the
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that there's nothing you can do about it.

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So let's just keep doing fossil fuels
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Obviously that's not right.

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government is usually have mostly

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investing in renewable energy, but it's
taking a long time to put them together.

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Takes a long time for it to come to
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So here is my, I guess advice of
what you can do, and obviously this

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is not exhaustive, but this is what
I would say is the best thing to do.

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So join or create a climate
forward scientist collective.

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out there already for Ocean.

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I'm part of a group it's a WhatsApp
group that future swells a part of, and

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we do little things here and there to
try and put together petitions and put

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together, you know, science communication
pieces and stuff to get out there.

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and they do that.

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Their future swells.

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The organization that controls it.

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They tend to put these ideas together
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And we try and all put all that together.

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You can also join things like
union of Concern scientists,

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scientists rebellion, ocean uprise.

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Those are always, always great as well.

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There's also, think it's
Clean Creatives, I think it's

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called, which is like a science
communication creative place, online.

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It's a Slack group that I've been a
part of, and that's been great as well.

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So join or start one of your own.

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Those are always great.

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Start science communication
projects on your own.

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So figure out what your network
needs to know and put those together.

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You know, write, speak, post
podcasts, do a video, whatever

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it takes to get the message out.

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Do it.

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Even if you do it on your own, it'll
start to really grow your knowledge

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on what it works and what doesn't.

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And then it'll get your voices
out because there are people who

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may listen to this podcast,  but
may prefer your voice better.

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and there are other people who don't
listen to this podcast and may want

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your message better 'cause they
might just connect with you better.

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So the more we have the diverse
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And it doesn't mean like.

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People who look like me or sound
like me and come from the same

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background can't speak out too.

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Everybody needs to speak out and
more people need to speak out.

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And you can also build or contribute
to interdisciplinary networks.

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So mental health, social justice,
indigenous knowledge, climate policy.

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All those solutions need all of that.

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So that's always great.

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You can create open source
or citizen science projects.

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So share research outside of paywalls,
which is always great, co-create data with

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communities affected by climate change.

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That's the big thing.

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And then of course, seek mentors
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Look for activists, look for
independent research, look for

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journalists, look for community leaders.

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I look for people on TikTok and
Instagram who are actively speaking

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out to things that they prefer.

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These are the things that you
know you would need to do.

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Now, what I want you to do as I end this,
is I want you to realize that yes, you are

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going to hear voices in your life, whether
you look up to them or not, who are

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going to criticize what you want to do.

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They're gonna say that it doesn't work.

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They're gonna say that,
Hey, this isn't for you.

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This is not what you need.

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You don't necessarily have to ignore them,
listen to them, but also do what you want

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to do because it doesn't mean that if
they failed or theirs didn't work out,

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it doesn't mean yours can't work out.

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We're at a very different
time than when they grew up.

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Even when I grew up, you know where
information can be shared and information

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can be passed around a lot easier.

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It's still a lot of misinformation out
there, but if you can put together in

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your own voice, be authentic to yourself
and put it out there, that will help.

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The other thing I'm gonna say
is there's nothing wrong with

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working a job to  protect yourself.

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Like work your job to pay your
bills, to enjoy what you want

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to do, get your like goals out.

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It doesn't necessarily have to
align with what you want to do

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from a climate change perspective.

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You can always do that outside of your job
if that's what you're passionate about.

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Right?

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Now obviously it's ideal to find a job
where you can do both, and I suggest you

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do that,  but a lot of the times, science
in itself does not mean political stuff

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or does not mean something where you may
show a bias towards doing climate change.

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Science in itself has to be unbiased and
you have to test a specific hypothesis.

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Now, testing hypothesis can mean
anywhere in science from actually

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look going out into the environment
and sampling or looking at how people

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react to behavior change that will
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Do you see what I mean here?

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So these are the different ways that
you can go into look at the breadth of

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ocean conservation and ocean science.

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Don't just look at how do mammals
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or physiology and stuff like that.

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If you're really looking into
climate action is how can you take

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something like a marine mammal
and make that into climate action?

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How do you take a topic that you like
and make it into climate action from

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a science particular point of view?

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So I think that's where we need
to really sit there and understand

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that this is where you need to
move, but definitely move on it.

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Do what you need to do to
get your passion out there.

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Be passionate, be authentic to yourself.

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Use your own voice, but
definitely take action.

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You may need to adapt.

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It may not work what you want to
do, and so listen to what people

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have done to see what's worked for
them and what may not work for you.

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You can always try it and repeat it
and see if it works for you, but also

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adapt to what they've done and see how
you can get around the hurdles that

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they faced and stand on their shoulders

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to be able to build on what they
couldn't go further in doing.

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You know, that's what
science all is, right?

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When we take science and we try
and build on the knowledge that

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one research paper gives, we try
and build it on the next, right?

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And we try and build more
information on that topic, and

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that's how we understand that topic.

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So understanding how we can do climate
action, how people can do it, whether

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it's from a behavioral change standpoint
or how do we get policy in there?

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Or even how people elect, or even from
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how do we get people to understand
what's going on is the biggest thing.

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So do what you need to do.

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Obviously I'm more communication focused,
but do what you think you need to do.

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Use that wonderful mind of yours.

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Use that passion of yours and
say, I am going to change things.

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I'm not gonna let anybody talk me out of
it, but I'm gonna listen to them because

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they come with experience and they come
with challenges, and they may or may not

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have been able to overcome all of their
challenges, but I'm gonna listen to them.

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I'm gonna say, okay, I'm gonna
stand on your shoulders and I'm

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gonna build upon them, but I'm
not gonna take your negativity to

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say, I'm not gonna do anything.

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I'm just gonna put my head down
and do what I'm supposed to do.

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We need change.

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We need rebels.

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We need people who are gonna say,
no, I'm not gonna take the status quo

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and I'm gonna continue to do that.

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That's why I'm doing this
podcast, to be honest.

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So that's what it is.

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And you may not see change right
away, and you have to be patient.

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But I say go for it and I
hope this message helps.

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So, that's it for today's episode.

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If you have any more questions
or comments, you know how to get

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ahold of me, you can email me again
for the person who emailed me.

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I didn't wanna mention your name 'cause I
didn't ask beforehand if I could do this.

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But once I read the email, I
was inspired to record this

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episode because of that person.

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So I really appreciate you emailing me.

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I will email you back.

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That's it.

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If you wanna also get ahold
of me on Instagram, dm me

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at how to protect the ocean.

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But we need to change and we need to
do things that will help us change.

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So, learn, adapt, act, learn, adapt, act.

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Continue to do that.

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That's it for this episode.

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I wanna thank you so much for
joining me on today's episode of the

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How to Protect the Ocean Podcast.

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I'm your host, Andrew Lewin from
the True North Strong and Free.

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Have a great day.

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We'll talk to you next time
and happy conservation.