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Welcome back to the show.

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How are you, Good to see you.

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Amazing.

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Thank you for having me again.

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It's awesome to have you.

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I follow everything you do.

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You're very active in the last couple of years, especially, I'd say.

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And I remember you from way back in the early days playing with the Dreamcast controllers,
performing live with that, which was right up my alley as a fan of video games.

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um saw you at Loop in LA doing your thing, presenting.

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And we met recently.

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I don't know if we ever spoke at Loop at LA, but we definitely spoke a few months ago in
LA when I was out there doing my workshop at the Ableton headquarters.

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was awesome to see you, talk to you a little bit, and I'm happy we're reconnecting here on
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Me too, man.

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Thanks for having me.

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Yes.

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It was awesome to meet you back in LA a couple of months ago.

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And hopefully you come again soon.

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And my girlfriend is from New York, so we'll be with her at least once a year.

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I'll hit you up when I'm there.

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Yeah, please do.

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I'm on Long Island, so I don't know where that is compared to where you go, but yeah,
maybe work something out.

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Nice.

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That was so fun going to LA, going to the Ableton headquarters.

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And you know, the first thing I think I saw when I went into the headquarters was you at
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a couple of weeks before.

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Yeah.

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Which was amazing.

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I think that was the first one.

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I did another one since, and it's awesome that Ableton kind of allowing us certified
trainers to use their space for this type of weekend workshops.

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And I don't know if you plan to do one again, but I'll probably do one at some point
again, cause those are awesome events.

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Of course it's much easier for me as a local.

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I live like 10 minutes away, but it was great to see you also doing that weekend workshop.

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And I heard it went really well.

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So that's great to hear.

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a lot of fun and I got pretty nervous about it leading up to it.

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Just so much about the planning and if people were going to enjoy it, if they were going
to get a lot out of it.

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I went, my approach was a little more hands off where it was time to do your work.

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And I gave people.

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some prompts and things.

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talk about stuff as a group, but mostly it was, okay, now work on your stuff.

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And I kind of walked around and helped people in the process.

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And I'd seen what Dan Giffin did and he had the day packed with presenters and, and you
filled the day easily presenting information.

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So I was a little afraid that maybe that different approach, whether it would work or not,
but it turned out being really fun.

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Kind of how my style, I guess, too.

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I like the kind of hands-on one-on-one and things came up as they go.

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It felt a little bit like I was teaching at school, except people wanted to be there.

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Yeah, amazing.

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think you should go do your own style.

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That's why people come and do that.

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Mine was, I feel like, like always, I give so much information.

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I maybe I need to find the balance of giving them kind of more like you hands off with all
the stuff that I usually teach and stuff.

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By the way, there might be some drilling because they're redoing the bathroom here.

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So if there's too much, just let me know.

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Amazing.

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Good.

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eh Yeah, dude, I hope you do it again, because those are super fun events.

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know Ableton also benefits a lot from them.

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For them, it's more kind of like getting people into the space.

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Since the pandemic, because Ableton offices in Pasadena and they have kind of two sections
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You know, I'm just saying it for the audience.

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ah One is the offices side where they do all the administrative things.

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And one is the, they call Ableton spaces.

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And ever since the pandemic, they're not using it as much as they used to.

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So that's why they opened it up for us, certified trainers and content creators to do
those events.

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And for them, it's great because it's just bring more attention to their showcase room
where they showcase their hardware, the push and the move.

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So if anyone is in LA visiting or around LA, you can always call Ableton to schedule kind
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If you want to check out their devices, the push, the Ableton.

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move and those type of things.

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They would love to schedule an appointment showcase.

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And of course, if you go into one of those events, I think Dan is doing another one, which
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So it's a great opportunity to come meet other Ableton users.

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And of course, just check all the Ableton stuff.

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Yeah, it's, um, it's funny cause I was there in 2013 to get certified.

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So I went through my, my workshops there and the whole weekend of, uh, being under the
microscope a little bit.

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So going back to, kind like, Whoa, I remember the feelings come back a little.

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the certification?

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Who was from Ableton?

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Yeah, there was Dennis Fisher, Dennis DeSantis.

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So, I mean, the guy that wrote the manual, Dennis DeSantis, Dennis Fisher, another right
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we had...

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used to be, maybe he still is, in charge of the certification program or something.

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He was very closely working with all the certification program.

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Yeah, there was um Thomas Folds, Cole was there.

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Yeah, some heavy hitters.

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And of course, the other people too that were there.

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I don't know how many people were getting certified in your event.

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I think there were five of us in total.

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So, and people I knew from...

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2011, same thing, like five people.

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Then it's the scientists, then it's Fisher.

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We had Sam is no longer and Houston singularity who used to be the sound designer and
they, and Thomas and they grilled us.

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I was nerve wracking.

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Thomas was fun.

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He played the role of kind of the ornery guy in the crowd, like, why would I ever want to
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And we're like, hey, what?

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He's trying to rattle us, you know?

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It might be a good opportunity to mention, because I just spoke with Thomas.

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Thomas is now in charge of the educational team in Ableton.

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And we're doing an event.

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I don't know when this is going to air, but hopefully before on September 27th at the
Grammy Museum in Los Angeles downtown.

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I'm going to host it and it's going to be kind of Ableton lecture, but also interview and
other lectures because Moldover, I don't know if anyone knows, he's an amazing.

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a music technologist, set up a lot of installations, more specifically jam boxes, kind of
these, usually four player uh jam stations where even non-musicians can go and jam with

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So there is now an ongoing installation.

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I think it's a permanent, if not a long-term installation at the Grammy Museum downtown.

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So September 27th, we're to have a day of lectures that are me going to...

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just give a lecture and then also interview and Moldova are gonna give a lecture more
focusing on alternate career paths for musicians such as myself, I'll talk more about

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music education and Moldova will talk of course about music technology and setting up
installations and stuff like that.

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And I would highly recommend everyone who's listening to check out Moldova if you haven't
heard of him.

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Some of us call him the godfather of controllerism.

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He builds some crazy controllers, including some from really big artists, for example, his
latest project was for a virtual riot.

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He built him a custom keyboard with lights on each keys.

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He has a video showcasing that.

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that's September 27, just as we mentioned, Thomas, cause I just talked to him.

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Yeah, that sounds awesome.

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And yeah, Moldover, I mean, he really paved the way for a lot of the things we all do,
controllers for your computer to operate things.

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aspect of controllerism and the distinction between controllerism and DJing, which does a
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each other over the years, but it's still two distinct, uh, art forms.

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And Moldova is amazing with that.

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Yeah, his stuff was really inspiring for me when I was first trying to figure out how to
do this live, how to be a one-man band kind of thing.

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And you came up in those same searches and research that I was doing at the time.

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Thank you.

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I was also, as having inspired by everyone and most specifically mold over.

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Remember seeing a video of him called what is controllerism really old.

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can still find that video with a modded novation SL mark two, like a small keyboard and
your other team was kind of, you know, DIY.

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And I felt that's how I fell in love with the DIY world with kind of like do it yourself,
build your own custom media controllers.

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That's what got me into all the video game controllers.

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yes, Moldova is a huge part of it and it's an honor to collaborate with them on this one.

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Yeah, there's a lot of do-it-yourself.

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Even if you're buying pre-made controllers, you're still building it inside of your
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You're mapping things.

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You're deciding how you're going to use them.

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that's something I always kind of explain to people when they're talking about live
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It's kind of like playing an instrument, except first you have to build it.

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And then it's alive and you're changing it as you go.

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Absolutely.

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That's what I tell my students when designing live shows, it's kind of like building your
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other uh points.

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But the idea is to just have fun with your instruments, whatever that may be.

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And you're absolutely right.

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We have to kind of customize them.

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And that's what I think what's always was so nice about Ableton.

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Everyone uses it differently.

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Everyone kind of have their own way of using Ableton.

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And that's what is so fun for me, to see other people kind of how they use it in their own
unique way.

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absolutely.

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And it's really cool that you're doing something about other career paths in music too.

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you know, for me, my background playing in bands was no formal training really.

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It was, I thought that's all the only way you can do it is playing in a band.

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You had to go out on tour and stuff and make records, but to learn this so much more.

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then even people that have like more classical training.

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Um, I was just talking to Sarah Bell Reed and she's, you know, comes from that world and
now she's in the modular stuff.

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seen her online.

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Okay, nice.

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And I have a nephew who's in that world.

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He's learning tuba, classically trained and all, and he's got a scholarship to Denver
University.

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But he's kind of also, I think he's thinking about that, like, what am I doing?

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You know, what else is there?

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And you don't always see that in a lot of the formal educations.

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You know, some colleges are starting to bring that stuff in and incorporate it more and
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Yeah, there are so many other paths and things that don't even necessarily exist yet that
people will discover.

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I feel like there was a very now popular new profession that was somewhat started to gain
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would say 10, 15 years ago, which is the playback tech.

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People who are backstage and getting in charge of the system to play back all the, now
most live shows will have some sort of a playback backstage of all the stuff that the

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musicians can do live.

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If it's a band, maybe one of the tracks, need like a full string.

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orchestra, there's no string orchestra on stage, so that will be taking care of the
playback.

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Even shows like American Idol or Cirque du Soleil, they all have this playback.

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So the playback technician definitely became a popular job opportunity for a lot of
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And I think it's super cool.

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Yes, I think, m especially the music technology, usually it's very dedicated schools.

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know one here in California called Cal Arts, California Institute of the Arts in, I
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Amazing school.

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And they have this one classroom I taught a few times there, Ableton sent me, and it's
very music technology focused.

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On the ceiling you have robots that you can connect to all sorts of ways, even.

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brain waves to control them and have them play music.

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And, but it's very niche and very dedicated and hopefully as more and more the technology
becomes available with stuff like for years now we have Arduino and the Raspberry Pi and

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now even with Max and Max for Live Rainbow, you can kind of write applications to that.

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So hopefully we'll see more and more music technologies kind of take that route.

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I can say one thing that it might be just how

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the brain works.

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But when you see extremely gifted musicians compared to extremely gifted technologists,
usually there's a gap there when it comes to the technologists might not be able to

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compose music as appealing as the extremely talented musicians.

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And from my experience teaching top artists, a lot of time top artists, they don't know
technology.

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They don't know, they don't care.

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It's only about kind of losing themselves in that uh creative world of making music.

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So hopefully we can soon as technology becomes even more and more accessible, we'll also
bridge that gap of technologists and musicians.

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Cause there's still a gap there where you go to the technological installations and
Moldova is a good example of having both musicianship and technology.

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Where the installation sometimes the amazing technology, like in the technology side of
things with motion sensing, with audio visual reactive.

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but maybe the music examples are not as good as they can be, compared to musicians who are
just not, uh, technically savvy songwriters.

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A lot of times I help the songwriters that just need to set up.

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They just want to walk and they need some help setting up Ableton or stuff like that.

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So we see kind of the, uh, that bridge also.

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getting narrower and narrower.

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So hopefully again, people will see that music technology is a route, a valuable route
now, and not only just making music.

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Which brings me to also my latest endeavors, I gotta say, the chat GPT stuff or the chat
bots, the AI, are also an amazing way to bridge that gap for non, let's say non coders to

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like stuff that eh I could never make without those things.

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And in recent months, I've been making a lot of MaxVolad devices thanks to all those chat
bots like ChatGPT, Claude, Gemini, DeepSeq, all those, I use all of them.

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It's pretty awesome that you can apply it to that and help realize the things you want to
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Cause those are very hard questions to ask like a Google or to search in YouTube videos,
but to have something that can sort all of that and then give you the information you

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need.

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Those are applications that I think are interesting for AI.

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I don't want it to make the music for me, but I do think.

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that kind of stuff helping me solve the musical problems, it gets interesting.

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It does.

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think also you can use it as much as you want.

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So if you are looking for inspiration, you can ask it if you're looking for specific core
progressions, maybe melodic ideas, even to the point, and I'm just exploring it, of giving

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it, taking an Ableton preset, opening the Ableton preset with a text edit or some text
editor, giving chat, can you understand this?

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You might have to unzip it to XML.

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Doesn't matter, but I'm not saying is that those chatbots are now able to maybe even
understand presets and give you presets.

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So even sounds for your own custom software.

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And I even saw some people uploading the mix downs, the exports of their music and asking
for some mixing advice.

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So, uh, I think, and of course lyrics and all of those, uh, I think we kind of get to a
point where, yes, I can just tell it, Hey, right.

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Give me a song like Suno AI.

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That ad, it can kind of just give us full music.

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But I think it's going to be, I guess, up to us to decide how much, what extent we want to
use it, to what extent we want to, you know, do ourselves.

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One thing that we'll have to do, I think still, if we're taking out this thing, I think
that's, you know, we're no longer in the creative process and that's curating.

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So meaning even if I tell, let's say, chat-chipity, even if I tell it,

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create 50 songs, I'd still have to tell it what's good, what's not, or at least choose the
best ones.

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So we are reaching, and I said it before in many places, we are reaching an age of
curation where these AIs will be able to do more and more things, will still be able to,

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will still need to be the curators.

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Once those AI will know better than us what we like, that's, think maybe it's going to be
somewhere.

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a new age of consumption of art.

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But that being said, the more the AI will be able to tell us what we like, think the more
us humans will start making some weird human art.

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It's going to be so far out there, so like weird and bizarre.

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It's also going to be very interesting.

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So there is a lot to expect here to be excited about, but yeah, the AI.

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I see people like some people who are commenting online about AI and, guys, don't worry,
AI gave me this and they seen some nonsense that AI wrote.

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Like we're going to get to a point where it's indistinguishable or it's going to give us
art, a million songs in a second and the best songs we ever heard in our lives.

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We're going to get to that point.

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But it does also mean that there's going to be some weird, creative and bizarre art that
humans make.

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So exciting to see.

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what's coming rapidly and fast with all this AI stuff, really fast.

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just help us and I'll give it again the example of Max for Live, which I'm not an expert
in, but Max for Live can also use JavaScript.

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And I'm not a coder, I don't know anything about JavaScript, but using ChatGPT and all the
other AI em chatbots, I was able to create a lot of devices, like for example, a very

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extensive uh

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core detector, thanks to a charge.

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Now it is a lot of work going back and forth and explain and tell it what doesn't work,
what does work.

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It's a lot.

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takes, it takes a while, but you can still do it and something you couldn't do before.

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So that's very exciting.

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Yeah, that's in your keyboard monitor, right?

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In the keyboard monitor, I collaborated with uh my co-developer.

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He used to be based in Portugal.

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Now he got a professorship at China.

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So he moved to China now.

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He's teaching there.

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Highly gifted, intelligent guy that can also do programming, Max for Life.

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So I kind of hack my way around to it and then he actually makes it, ah know, em shareable
to the public.

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And one of the core detector, which is a very elaborate core detector, like uh Ableton
recently released the expressive chords device, which is amazing.

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Expressive chords has a built-in core detector, but a lot of times you play the chords,
they just say custom chord.

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Ours is almost any chord possible will give you the chord name, including inversions, uh
drop voicing, um excluding voices, whatever it is, it will give you.

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I think there's more than 40,000 codes or something like that, but it's very extensive.

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thanks to at least the concept to all those chatbots, just to throw us, okay, this is the
route we should take.

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Let's work with that.

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So I encourage anyone who has ideas when it comes to software, specifically maybe Ableton
stuff, Max for Live, or any other programming language, even plugins, building plugins, to

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explore that route of if not...

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just conceptualizing, completely building stuff with those AI chatbots.

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And we can see it, of course, with books, with lyrics, with stories, with websites, but
also with software.

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I highly encourage everyone to, audio software, stuff like that, encourage everyone to
test that out.

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We're probably going to see an explosion of plugins and Max for Life stuff.

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We already see, but we'll probably see more and more.

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as they're going to get smarter and smarter.

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Cause there's still a lot of situations where are very frustrating, where you like, why
can't you give me, are you going back and forth for so long and it keeps messing up, keep

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messing up until you're like, I'll just figure it out myself.

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And then the solution is so simple that AI couldn't tell.

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So we're still not fully like give you all the correct answers, but there are, it's still
a great.

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tool to use.

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want to recommend, Childship is fine, Claude is amazing, and Gemini Pro is okay, hit or
miss.

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They're all hit or miss.

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I usually, if anyone's interested, I'm just using one until I get frustrated, I go to
another, give him the code, work with it, gets frustrated, go to another.

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So I use about four or five different AIs back and forth, and I pay for them also.

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that's also, because then you get to a limit how much you can use them very quickly.

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So I pay like 20 bucks a month for each.

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Yeah, I mean, that's, I mean, coming up with 40,000 chords, like that would take you
forever.

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Yeah.

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Right.

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we detect the algorithm according to the notes and knowing the octaves?

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No, you know, knowing the, Hey, this is a chord with no fifth, like C major, no five with
a sharp 12, 13, you know, so there's a, in that way, it's definitely helps you

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conceptualize the algorithms.

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in this case, the core detections, but so much more other stuff.

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There is, uh

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It's not released yet, but it's going to be released very soon.

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There is a controller, old school controller, the godfather of all the grid controllers
that we see today, like the push, the launch pad, the APC.

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This is the Monome or Monomy.

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And it's built by a husband and wife in the countryside of New York.

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I don't remember where, but somewhere in the outside of the city, handmade.

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um So they had their own custom applications for this.

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using Max, they developed it with Max, Max for Live, Max at the time, it was no Max for
Live, uh early 2000s.

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And it used to have this application called Flynn, where each column is a sequencer, each
column is a different note, and depends where you hit in the column, that's the speed of,

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you'll see the LED just coming down, kind of like rain drops, and playing the note when it
reaches down.

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So I loved that, and I was like, how can I do that on the push?

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And...

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It took me like months, like three months to do that.

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It's finished, it's gonna be released very soon.

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But I made a Flynn sequencer for the push with a lot more features.

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It works amazing, I love it so much.

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But it's all thanks to all those AIs.

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Of course, there's a lot more that goes around it.

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Like it's not only the JavaScript code, you also need to know some max, which I learned
over the years.

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But still, just a conceptualization and the main algorithm of sequencing.

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thanks to all the AI.

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just a huge recommendation to use those AI eh if you have those ideas that you want to
make reality.

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Right, just to have that kind of guide to helping you figure out if you're going the right
way.

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Yeah.

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Exactly.

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Like you said, sometimes I have like a small questions about one thing and it might take
me much longer to search online than just to ask the bot.

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Sometimes it gives the wrong answer, but it's getting better and better.

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So take it with a grain of salt, but still in a lot of, most, I won't say most, but a lot
of cases, it's amazing tool uh helper slash just.

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conceptualizer.

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I started paying for chat GPT for two reasons.

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And one of them was houseplants.

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I started taking pictures of the houseplants and it would tell me what it was.

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didn't even know what they were, how to care for it, what it needed, what I should do to
repot it.

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And my houseplants are thriving.

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Yeah.

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me there's an app for it.

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I forget what's the app called.

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God damn it.

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But also an app, you take a picture.

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I didn't find that too useful.

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It was a couple of years ago.

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So I'm sure it could be much different now, but, at the time, yeah, it didn't work.

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But then I got the idea to try that.

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And then I, in preparation for my workshop in February, I'm trying to think like, all
right, what do I want to tell them?

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What I need to get my ideas together.

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So I uploaded my whole book that I wrote the whole thing.

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I just uploaded it.

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And then I uploaded a bunch of podcast episodes that I had transcripts for.

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And then I would ask it, all right, how do I like to make music?

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What are some things I keep coming back to?

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Basically, be my secretary, be my other self that would have had to search through
everything I've ever written and everything I've ever said.

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And it did all that for me and gave me ideas that I was then able to sift through and
organize.

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But it was so cool because it was my own words.

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was quotes from me, things I said.

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And sometimes it'd like, well, I said that.

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Well, yeah, that was a good idea.

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Or like, I can't believe I said that.

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I don't believe that anymore.

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But it was pretty neat.

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And it saved me a lot of time for the whole preparation part of that workshop.

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Made me feel a lot more comfortable going in too.

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Cause I knew, I told you, I barely did any teaching when it actually came to it.

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but I had a lot of plants.

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plenty.

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I wasn't gonna run out of material, but yeah, that was one of the coolest uses because it
was so personalized.

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That's great.

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love that.

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There's something scary, but exciting about those AI is really get to know us on that
level.

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Especially when you upload so much of your work.

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I love that.

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Yeah.

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I use all also that for copyrighting newsletters, helping me find grammar errors for me.

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eh I love that.

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That's great.

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Yeah, and like for the music making side of things, I think I like the process.

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I like making the music.

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I don't want it to do it for me.

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And I think a lot of people are like that.

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I think one of, it might've been Suno, but somebody, some executive said, people don't
like making it.

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don't like making music anymore.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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That's a, can understand maybe some aspects for each person.

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might be individual what they less like to do.

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Like some people, I just want to focus on production and I want to mix and master.

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So maybe AI can help them.

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Some people are like, I don't know how to write lyrics or sing.

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So now we have all those kind of services.

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can do AI vocals, which I think it's great just to allow us to.

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get us what used to be collaborators, which is in some way unfortunate that we're not, you
know, I don't have to bring a singer here anymore.

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can create a virtual singer or mixing master and those things.

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But, uh, in other ways, just makes it more accessible for people who can't afford to hire
a studio musician or a mixing master engineer.

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So positive and negatives, I guess, for, for all of that.

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But, uh, there's definitely so much enjoyment to.

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in the music creation itself, I guess you could just look at them as tools, you know, to
help us.

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Yeah, sometimes I like to play around with things and see what comes up, but sometimes I
just want to play the acoustic guitar and that's it.

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And we still have all those options.

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It's always been that way, guess, with technology.

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There's new things that you don't have to auto tune your voice.

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You don't have to quantize.

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You don't have to overdub or punch in.

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You can do whatever you want to whatever degree.

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I think maybe in the near to far future, we might get to that situation for live
performance as well.

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As an audience, obviously it will be weird to see robots playing on stage, but what if
it's, can't even, we can't even tell what's a robot and what's not, or a humanoid,

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whatever you want to call them as a performer on stage.

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Would us as the audience really care if now this entire orchestra is being played by

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robots, but they look human, sound human, smell human, would we even care?

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So I think that also comes with the end result for the listener in music.

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And even not with the AI stuff, like even before there were pop uh music that the drums
were a plugin.

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The trailer for movies that it's not really a real instrument, it's MIDI.

406
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So I think for the end user, it's a good question.

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It's like, how much do we really care if we consume this?

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It looks the same, it sounds the same, but it's not human compared to us creators where
it's still, you know, we still like it.

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We just enjoy the creation of it.

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We enjoy the just making the music.

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And I don't want to go and go on Suno and write, make me a pop song.

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I want to make it.

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Cause it's just what we love.

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So.

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It's going to be interesting to see how music is going to develop maybe into a pure hobby.

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Maybe in 30, 40 years, it's no longer going to be a viable profession because even if you
want to perform live, there's someone who makes it better than you.

417
00:31:48,563 --> 00:31:54,854
Yeah, he happened to be a robot under his skin, but it's still a human skin, whatever
developed in a lab, whatever.

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I'm just throwing up ideas here, you know, how the consumer and consumer really going to
care.

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if everything looks human and sounds human, but it's just 10 times better than any human
you can find.

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Any real human, you know?

421
00:32:10,716 --> 00:32:15,556
But the creation, yeah, the creation will always, I think, gonna be part of it.

422
00:32:16,156 --> 00:32:17,695
But as a hobby, you know?

423
00:32:17,695 --> 00:32:20,116
Some people still make swords, as blacksmiths.

424
00:32:20,116 --> 00:32:21,396
Do you need a sword?

425
00:32:21,396 --> 00:32:23,336
No, but they do it as a hobby.

426
00:32:24,456 --> 00:32:27,256
And you could probably have a factory making swords better.

427
00:32:28,776 --> 00:32:29,556
You know?

428
00:32:30,797 --> 00:32:36,016
go play softball with some friends, even though I could watch professionals do it way
better than me.

429
00:32:36,016 --> 00:32:36,866
Yeah, exactly.

430
00:32:36,866 --> 00:32:40,347
No, but I'm saying, would you care if the professionals were robots?

431
00:32:42,188 --> 00:32:46,238
And then, uh, cause, cause then the game can be so much more exciting, right?

432
00:32:46,238 --> 00:32:52,370
Cause it's like beyond human capabilities that they're like, my God, it was crazy.

433
00:32:52,370 --> 00:33:04,583
Like he, I don't know, did a crazy jump into 20 feet up high, catching the ball, but he
threw it like, you know, so it's just a good question to see for us consumers of

434
00:33:04,583 --> 00:33:05,793
entertainment.

435
00:33:07,056 --> 00:33:08,801
I don't know, we'll see dude.

436
00:33:09,575 --> 00:33:10,817
Yeah, I don't know.

437
00:33:10,817 --> 00:33:13,200
depend on what people decide, I guess.

438
00:33:13,574 --> 00:33:27,584
Maybe it will be a hybrid first, know, kind of enhanced humans, where we could be able to
start running faster, jumping faster, play faster, know, sing higher and lower, and then

439
00:33:27,584 --> 00:33:31,546
slowly transition into fully humanoid.

440
00:33:31,546 --> 00:33:32,727
But then also, who knows?

441
00:33:32,727 --> 00:33:36,950
I'm just blabbering, I'm just spitting out nonsense here.

442
00:33:36,950 --> 00:33:43,384
But who knows, maybe also it's not gonna be humanoid at the end, it's gonna be kind of a
hybrid of us.

443
00:33:43,790 --> 00:33:48,214
Enhanced in some way that at the end you can even tell the difference.

444
00:33:48,214 --> 00:33:50,056
What's Not human.

445
00:33:50,056 --> 00:33:51,276
What's human?

446
00:33:51,317 --> 00:33:55,911
Those are all futurism, you know, which we get into we're going to get into very soon.

447
00:33:55,911 --> 00:33:57,302
Maybe in our lifetime

448
00:33:57,725 --> 00:33:58,546
I think so.

449
00:33:58,546 --> 00:34:01,829
mean, it's happening way faster than I ever thought.

450
00:34:01,830 --> 00:34:04,553
I didn't think we'd have all these things happening.

451
00:34:04,553 --> 00:34:12,603
And I kind of hope that it makes people enjoy humanity more.

452
00:34:12,603 --> 00:34:14,123
You know, where we might...

453
00:34:14,352 --> 00:34:19,113
I just want to hear you play the guitar and sing and I don't care if you're good or not.

454
00:34:19,113 --> 00:34:30,216
I want to just get the essence of you in there and it doesn't need to be pitch corrected
or any of that stuff or we don't need even like backing tracks for the band.

455
00:34:30,216 --> 00:34:33,518
Let's just hear what it is and enjoy it for that.

456
00:34:34,758 --> 00:34:37,369
Or maybe we won't be able to tolerate that kind of stuff anymore.

457
00:34:37,369 --> 00:34:39,219
It'll just be, God.

458
00:34:39,334 --> 00:34:50,792
That's interesting that you say that because we can kind of see an example of it with old
80s music and singers that now you listen to some old, at least for me, old 80s music.

459
00:34:50,792 --> 00:35:03,942
And I was like, you can much better tell the off-pitch moments that are now nonexistent
because of auto-tune, even if they make the pitch correction sound very natural with

460
00:35:03,942 --> 00:35:06,944
modern recordings, it's still perfect.

461
00:35:07,250 --> 00:35:17,850
And when you listen to seventies, eighties music, still amazing singers, but there might
be moments, even micro moments where like, Whoa, that was, you know, that was a bit off,

462
00:35:17,850 --> 00:35:22,230
which can add character, of course, but it's still to my ears.

463
00:35:22,470 --> 00:35:27,850
From what I remember, I don't know, 15 years ago, it's so much more noticeable.

464
00:35:27,850 --> 00:35:35,786
Maybe just because my ear got developed, but, uh, that's interesting that you say, cause
maybe we will have a.

465
00:35:35,932 --> 00:35:38,905
higher tolerance to quality of music.

466
00:35:39,246 --> 00:35:43,170
But again, I don't know, because also you can, there's so much character in it.

467
00:35:43,170 --> 00:35:52,420
And we do have nostalgic to, or even, you know, affection to dirty old lo-fi music.

468
00:35:52,420 --> 00:35:53,481
It's all very interesting.

469
00:35:53,481 --> 00:35:54,182
We'll see.

470
00:35:54,182 --> 00:35:55,182
We'll see.

471
00:35:55,877 --> 00:36:02,576
I've been really into, not unquantized, but...

472
00:36:02,576 --> 00:36:05,878
like non-metronome based music.

473
00:36:05,878 --> 00:36:09,499
So like mostly everything before a certain year.

474
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:16,013
So like if you listen to the Rolling Stones, almost any song, play it through and then
start it over again.

475
00:36:16,013 --> 00:36:23,147
It's usually way slower in the beginning because they got excited and they built it up and
that humanity came through the excitement.

476
00:36:23,147 --> 00:36:26,148
I'm really interested in that.

477
00:36:26,332 --> 00:36:40,116
dimension of expression in music where things speed up a little and slow down to lay back
when things calm down that um yeah I'm becoming more sensitive to it because I'm so used

478
00:36:40,116 --> 00:36:51,792
to hearing everything so perfect and then music I make is almost always on the grid so
it's um to come off of it and then just have it have this little breathing room it's been

479
00:36:51,792 --> 00:36:54,580
a lot of fun and um

480
00:36:55,068 --> 00:36:56,304
The thing that I think I'm...

481
00:36:56,304 --> 00:36:56,826
in a band.

482
00:36:56,826 --> 00:37:00,208
So I think you also experience it.

483
00:37:00,208 --> 00:37:09,576
is why I think it came through so much for me is because we were doing some recording and
we had the click going and it's the first time we've really ever played these songs to a

484
00:37:09,576 --> 00:37:09,957
click.

485
00:37:09,957 --> 00:37:12,489
We've been practicing them and working them out.

486
00:37:12,830 --> 00:37:17,093
And there was just something kind of boring about it.

487
00:37:17,354 --> 00:37:19,896
So we were like, let's just try it.

488
00:37:19,896 --> 00:37:21,206
You know, let's just go.

489
00:37:21,206 --> 00:37:21,718
Who cares?

490
00:37:21,718 --> 00:37:22,338
Forget the click.

491
00:37:22,338 --> 00:37:24,338
We, kind of use the click to

492
00:37:24,338 --> 00:37:29,492
get our bearings and we practiced to it a little and then we're like, all right, now let's
just turn it off and record.

493
00:37:30,393 --> 00:37:33,375
And I really liked it a lot better.

494
00:37:33,375 --> 00:37:37,018
And I also found everything else was more forgiving.

495
00:37:37,018 --> 00:37:49,539
So, and especially vocally, cause I'm not a singer really, even though I sing in the band,
I'm allowed to be a little less precise now when it was so on, you know, the grid and

496
00:37:49,539 --> 00:37:51,680
perfect, I had to be perfect.

497
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:53,106
And I'm just not, I just,

498
00:37:53,106 --> 00:37:53,829
Mm.

499
00:37:53,829 --> 00:37:55,670
I couldn't ever get those vocals.

500
00:37:55,670 --> 00:37:59,809
There was one song in particular we did to the click and we wound up redoing it.

501
00:37:59,809 --> 00:38:10,162
It was just so much easier when we redid it because everything kind of just fit together
and we're playing with each other instead of three people playing separately to a click

502
00:38:10,162 --> 00:38:11,064
track.

503
00:38:11,730 --> 00:38:13,491
That's just a good point.

504
00:38:13,491 --> 00:38:19,293
think that's definitely an aspect we lost with the modern music softwares.

505
00:38:19,293 --> 00:38:25,726
If anyone's listening, think that's something that a lot of people do in other aspects of
the music.

506
00:38:25,726 --> 00:38:33,680
Like you might sometimes automate the volume to turn up a tiny bit on choruses or main
sections or drops.

507
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:39,078
You might automate the stereo width to open up a bit more.

508
00:38:39,078 --> 00:38:43,140
But it's definitely something even me ignore so much.

509
00:38:43,140 --> 00:38:52,424
The tempo, know, the tempo can such a, you know, we're in such a DJ friendly era that we
may be not even thinking about.

510
00:38:52,424 --> 00:38:52,801
Yeah.

511
00:38:52,801 --> 00:39:01,008
I mean, naturally when you play with a band and adrenaline kicks in with a more high
energy, a section of the song.

512
00:39:01,008 --> 00:39:02,468
And they did a research about that.

513
00:39:02,468 --> 00:39:06,650
can listen to, like you said, you can listen to old music.

514
00:39:06,724 --> 00:39:14,559
And you can tell that the BPM might increase in one, two, three BPMs ah in high intensity
sections.

515
00:39:14,559 --> 00:39:20,822
And naturally, and that's such a good thing to take when you're producing music with a
software.

516
00:39:20,882 --> 00:39:27,706
And there are, seen some stuff on TikTok when people really play on with the BPM, the
tempo automation.

517
00:39:27,866 --> 00:39:30,567
That's something we need to do more.

518
00:39:30,868 --> 00:39:32,128
I love that point.

519
00:39:32,128 --> 00:39:33,479
And it makes sense.

520
00:39:33,479 --> 00:39:35,440
Kind of like, you know, it's so much more.

521
00:39:35,748 --> 00:39:37,160
Add into the feeling.

522
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:49,315
It's not only, you know, just the, the rhythm, the, you know, it's also the overall tempo
is such a big part of, the change in tempo, even if it's kind of micro changes, it's such

523
00:39:49,315 --> 00:39:50,577
a big deal.

524
00:39:50,577 --> 00:39:52,819
I'm going to go and do that again.

525
00:39:53,804 --> 00:40:04,088
So I'm really excited about, um it's an old feature in live where you can change a clip to
follow, to lead.

526
00:40:04,668 --> 00:40:14,362
And I mean, I was playing around, just played the classical guitar, really sloppy, you
know, not even really knowing if I was going to keep the take, but I turned it into the

527
00:40:14,362 --> 00:40:18,834
leader and told live where the, you know, the ones were.

528
00:40:18,834 --> 00:40:21,655
And then it figured it out once I kind of gave it the

529
00:40:21,979 --> 00:40:31,238
You know, the gist of what I was doing, but then everything else, I could drop a drum loop
on it and the loop follows my playing and I can quantize things.

530
00:40:31,238 --> 00:40:32,510
can copy and paste.

531
00:40:32,510 --> 00:40:35,983
So I recorded like a bass part and you know, made a few mistakes.

532
00:40:35,983 --> 00:40:41,349
So just copied it from the other section, which was a completely different BPM and just
pasted it.

533
00:40:41,349 --> 00:40:45,385
And because of warping, it just goes right in and it just fits.

534
00:40:45,385 --> 00:40:54,758
try it again, because also since Ableton 11.3 or something, they introduced a new bit
detection algorithm, so it's probably even better in detecting your own plane and turning

535
00:40:54,758 --> 00:40:55,719
it into follow-

536
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:57,691
surprised how well it worked.

537
00:40:57,691 --> 00:40:59,943
Yeah.

538
00:41:00,585 --> 00:41:09,305
Cause I didn't put a lot of care into that playing that one day and it just knew I was
like, pretty smart.

539
00:41:09,305 --> 00:41:10,857
uh idea.

540
00:41:10,857 --> 00:41:15,855
I'll do that with the guitar and you don't even have to use the guitar after just as kind
of a tempo guide.

541
00:41:16,878 --> 00:41:18,039
I love that.

542
00:41:18,301 --> 00:41:18,532
Yeah.

543
00:41:18,532 --> 00:41:31,816
And then you kind of got your feel and I guess if you've been playing enough where you can
hold the beat to some degree, then you can get away with it.

544
00:41:31,816 --> 00:41:34,759
know, those natural things start happening.

545
00:41:35,282 --> 00:41:36,142
I love that.

546
00:41:36,142 --> 00:41:38,342
I will definitely do it.

547
00:41:38,342 --> 00:41:39,602
I'm gonna try it.

548
00:41:39,602 --> 00:41:42,262
I haven't used that feature in so long.

549
00:41:42,599 --> 00:41:45,110
Yeah, it's one I kind of always forget about.

550
00:41:45,110 --> 00:41:48,229
And lately I've been experimenting.

551
00:41:48,229 --> 00:41:49,552
you see it in the session.

552
00:41:49,552 --> 00:41:52,296
The clip has to be in arrangement if I'm not mistaken.

553
00:41:52,296 --> 00:41:56,283
And then you see follower or I don't even talk.

554
00:41:56,283 --> 00:41:57,194
They call it follower.

555
00:41:57,194 --> 00:41:58,736
They still call it follower.

556
00:41:58,796 --> 00:41:59,947
It's lead and follow.

557
00:41:59,947 --> 00:42:06,405
I think it used to be like a master slave terminology um or something like that.

558
00:42:06,405 --> 00:42:08,009
ah

559
00:42:08,009 --> 00:42:12,944
track now is called main, trying to get away from those terminologies.

560
00:42:13,563 --> 00:42:19,531
Yeah, but what it does is just automate the tempo on the master track.

561
00:42:19,531 --> 00:42:22,523
So just, takes it over and.

562
00:42:22,523 --> 00:42:23,224
cool.

563
00:42:23,247 --> 00:42:29,772
It's very interesting to even just put music you know in there and then map it out and
watch that line move.

564
00:42:29,772 --> 00:42:32,173
Like some tracks it doesn't go anywhere.

565
00:42:32,233 --> 00:42:34,195
You know, it's just a straight line.

566
00:42:34,195 --> 00:42:35,996
Those are things recorded to the grid.

567
00:42:35,996 --> 00:42:45,902
But when you put older stuff, even stuff that has drum machines in it, it's those machines
had some life to them.

568
00:42:45,902 --> 00:42:52,657
friend tried to record the swing from the MPC 2000 XL and he said, it's not straight.

569
00:42:52,657 --> 00:42:54,599
It's, mean, it's not steady.

570
00:42:54,599 --> 00:42:56,060
It's just fluctuating.

571
00:42:56,060 --> 00:42:58,402
So there's something about you.

572
00:42:58,402 --> 00:42:59,103
Absolutely right.

573
00:42:59,103 --> 00:42:59,543
I would do it.

574
00:42:59,543 --> 00:43:06,479
And that's why there's so much value in, even if all your music is electronic, just maybe
record one element from the real world.

575
00:43:06,479 --> 00:43:10,371
It can add so much depth and dimension.

576
00:43:10,572 --> 00:43:11,983
And that's great follower.

577
00:43:11,983 --> 00:43:13,664
I'm going to definitely do that.

578
00:43:14,215 --> 00:43:23,935
Well, if you think about when people talk about playing on top of the beat or playing
behind the beat, if I'm like kind of laying back and playing behind the beat a little bit,

579
00:43:23,935 --> 00:43:33,955
same playing the drums, when I get back to one, I don't then like shift back to on top of
the beat and then I have to slow, it's a constant drag.

580
00:43:36,695 --> 00:43:38,355
I don't know.

581
00:43:38,355 --> 00:43:41,635
I haven't really studied it hard enough to understand.

582
00:43:41,815 --> 00:43:47,065
if that's just a constant slow down, but it doesn't just reset every bar.

583
00:43:47,187 --> 00:43:50,982
And that kind of happens when you program it that way.

584
00:43:50,982 --> 00:43:52,022
Hmm.

585
00:43:52,643 --> 00:43:53,543
Yeah.

586
00:43:54,183 --> 00:43:54,573
Yeah.

587
00:43:54,573 --> 00:43:55,604
No, I love that.

588
00:43:55,604 --> 00:43:59,505
I would use those template or following.

589
00:43:59,586 --> 00:44:00,146
That's great.

590
00:44:00,146 --> 00:44:10,790
There's also used to be a max for our device that now is built in in Ableton, which is
forget what it's called, but now in the settings, you can, you can turn on the what's it

591
00:44:10,790 --> 00:44:11,120
called?

592
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:14,611
Uh, the tempo follower.

593
00:44:14,612 --> 00:44:20,594
And then you can set it up with, I think you can just set it up.

594
00:44:20,594 --> 00:44:24,654
with a microphone or something, because it gives you an input channel.

595
00:44:24,794 --> 00:44:36,986
So you can even have Ableton follow in real time according to one of the microphones set
up to drums or something, which I don't use often, but it is a built-in option.

596
00:44:36,986 --> 00:44:41,830
and I don't know if we were playing straight enough for it to understand.

597
00:44:41,830 --> 00:44:42,813
quickly.

598
00:44:43,289 --> 00:44:52,148
Yeah, like maybe there's too much bleed in the microphones or something, but I was kind of
wondering if we could use that and have something sequenced live.

599
00:44:52,148 --> 00:45:01,017
um It became one of those things where the other two guys in the band are like watching
you fool around for too long and they're like, you want to just play?

600
00:45:01,017 --> 00:45:03,759
All right, I'll figure it out later.

601
00:45:05,842 --> 00:45:06,462
Yeah.

602
00:45:06,462 --> 00:45:08,682
it's a built-in feature, I'll have to do that.

603
00:45:08,839 --> 00:45:17,115
But I bet if you have something a little more consistent, four to the floor kick kind of
thing, I think it would work pretty well.

604
00:45:17,115 --> 00:45:24,411
Cause it was working, but it wasn't enough to rely on for whatever we were doing.

605
00:45:24,474 --> 00:45:25,594
Absolutely.

606
00:45:25,594 --> 00:45:39,318
Also reminded me, there's iZotonic Studios released a lot of MaxFallout devices and there
is a recent MaxFallout device, I remember, that allows you to play very fluidly with the

607
00:45:39,318 --> 00:45:40,659
global tempo.

608
00:45:40,659 --> 00:45:47,140
just don't, I'll just, I guess I can check what it's called, but iZotonicStudios.com.

609
00:45:47,140 --> 00:45:53,606
eh I remember, I'll check what it's called, but it was a very cool kind of device.

610
00:45:53,606 --> 00:46:01,655
that allows you to do kind of this weird, eh extreme or subtle tempo changes very easily.

611
00:46:01,675 --> 00:46:06,703
So definitely something that I'm going to explore more and more.

612
00:46:06,703 --> 00:46:13,230
The tempo is such a sometimes not touched element that should be played with.

613
00:46:14,106 --> 00:46:16,989
You can get away with a lot too, even if you're just automating it.

614
00:46:16,989 --> 00:46:19,762
You want your build to like, to get some energy.

615
00:46:19,762 --> 00:46:28,731
You can go up a couple BPM and it's the type of thing that you feel more than you notice
intellectually.

616
00:46:28,731 --> 00:46:37,109
And, you know, I can't tell if something's moving up or down a couple BPM, you know, but
you notice it and the energy.

617
00:46:39,750 --> 00:46:40,641
Exactly.

618
00:46:41,986 --> 00:46:56,566
So I wanted to, of course I said something before we started, but congratulate you on 100
plus, I guess now, uh study groups that you do every Sunday for a couple of years now.

619
00:46:56,566 --> 00:46:57,427
Couple of, yeah.

620
00:46:57,427 --> 00:46:58,482
Two years now.

621
00:46:58,482 --> 00:47:03,612
Uh, I had used to have a music school here in LA called beat lab Academy.

622
00:47:03,612 --> 00:47:12,680
And we had to close it down during the pandemic, which kind of forced me into like a year
of just taking off, doing anything.

623
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:15,603
I did some music, but not really teaching.

624
00:47:15,663 --> 00:47:19,142
And then towards the end of the school,

625
00:47:19,142 --> 00:47:23,194
We used to do this Sunday meetups for students because the school was closed.

626
00:47:23,194 --> 00:47:24,545
We couldn't go to the school.

627
00:47:24,545 --> 00:47:32,230
So we met online with all the students kind of to answer questions, to make sure
everything is up to their classes, still kind of doing everything.

628
00:47:32,230 --> 00:47:45,298
And uh that kind of came back to my mind after my first sabbatical of, wow, maybe I should
do, maybe I should go back during those Sunday sessions, of course, no longer as BeatLab

629
00:47:45,298 --> 00:47:46,054
Academy.

630
00:47:46,054 --> 00:47:49,636
but more under the, artist name side brain.

631
00:47:49,777 --> 00:47:55,961
and we start doing those and I got a lot of good feedback and people start recommending
topics that we should do.

632
00:47:55,961 --> 00:47:59,904
So we start doing this very genre specific topics.

633
00:47:59,904 --> 00:48:00,234
Okay.

634
00:48:00,234 --> 00:48:10,231
This week we'll talk only about break or, I'm being jungle and tech house and all those,
uh, alongside some other general music production techniques.

635
00:48:10,231 --> 00:48:14,224
And it's been two years of very consistently every Sunday.

636
00:48:14,514 --> 00:48:20,454
Uh, I also have recordings of those that people can check out on my website,
sidebrain.net.

637
00:48:20,594 --> 00:48:23,334
And last week we had a special live stream.

638
00:48:23,334 --> 00:48:34,234
Usually it's like a private group on zoom, but we had a live stream on YouTube and we had
a lot of giveaways and prizes and the community joined and it was super awesome.

639
00:48:34,294 --> 00:48:40,814
This week is going to be the 101 and yeah, dude, it's unbelievable for me also.

640
00:48:40,814 --> 00:48:43,890
And I'm very grateful to be able to do this.

641
00:48:43,890 --> 00:48:46,521
because it kind of became my main thing that I do.

642
00:48:46,521 --> 00:48:49,332
I mostly do the Sunday teachings.

643
00:48:49,332 --> 00:48:54,054
I post the recording in all my newsletters and through all my channels.

644
00:48:54,054 --> 00:49:05,960
And then I work on free content for Instagram, YouTube tutorials and stuff like that to
just offer free music education online in the hopes that people will of course check out

645
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:11,922
my other stuff like the uh course, the paid workshops that we have.

646
00:49:11,922 --> 00:49:14,762
On every Sunday, it's $25 a ticket.

647
00:49:14,762 --> 00:49:16,402
So thank you so much, dude.

648
00:49:16,402 --> 00:49:21,382
I'm super grateful for anyone who's involved and took part in this.

649
00:49:21,382 --> 00:49:28,442
And it's a, it's a blessing to be able to do this, especially with my situation and I need
to be more flexible for the kids.

650
00:49:28,442 --> 00:49:31,742
So it's great to just have this type of thing.

651
00:49:31,742 --> 00:49:38,122
Now, of course there's many weekends are like, Oh man, I wish I could go out Saturday late
and do this.

652
00:49:38,122 --> 00:49:39,344
But at the same time,

653
00:49:39,344 --> 00:49:40,945
Like uh I can't complain.

654
00:49:40,945 --> 00:49:43,677
I'm so flexible with my time during the week.

655
00:49:43,998 --> 00:49:55,226
And I love doing this research all week long about the topic and preparing all the
downloads and templates and presets and Ableton projects for the students.

656
00:49:55,226 --> 00:49:59,830
And of course, getting the positive feedback from the community.

657
00:49:59,830 --> 00:50:01,391
So dude, thank you so much.

658
00:50:01,391 --> 00:50:02,152
It's amazing.

659
00:50:02,152 --> 00:50:05,522
And hopefully we'll do a hundred more.

660
00:50:05,522 --> 00:50:06,422
of these.

661
00:50:06,422 --> 00:50:08,902
If anyone's interested, next, I guess you could check the website.

662
00:50:08,902 --> 00:50:16,202
I don't know where this will be posted, but this week we're talking about advanced sound
design with Meld, which is an awesome synth.

663
00:50:17,658 --> 00:50:24,684
Well, I think first off the discipline and the consistency you have is really impressive.

664
00:50:25,846 --> 00:50:33,593
What really blows my mind though is there's such a range of topics you cover.

665
00:50:33,593 --> 00:50:44,101
mean, you have genres I've never even heard of that you spend a whole session on and you
go through different devices, you go through certain kinds of workflows and techniques.

666
00:50:45,122 --> 00:50:57,371
I'm just wondering how do you get all of this knowledge inside of your head to share in a
board like these things some of these like two hours long, right?

667
00:50:57,371 --> 00:51:00,622
mean, these are, yeah, so.

668
00:51:00,622 --> 00:51:07,542
So by the way, if anyone interested, every workshop, you can check out 20 minutes from the
workshop, which is a lot of information content.

669
00:51:07,542 --> 00:51:08,910
So thank you, first of all.

670
00:51:08,910 --> 00:51:13,922
And also just to say too, it's not like you're sitting around and go like, hmm, let me
see, how do I do this?

671
00:51:13,922 --> 00:51:17,290
I mean, you're firing off information.

672
00:51:17,290 --> 00:51:18,434
No, that's your style.

673
00:51:18,434 --> 00:51:21,115
mean, your style is like boom, boom, boom, here we go.

674
00:51:21,115 --> 00:51:23,375
um it's.

675
00:51:24,130 --> 00:51:24,396
Yeah.

676
00:51:24,396 --> 00:51:27,277
I just, I don't know how you know so much.

677
00:51:28,037 --> 00:51:29,349
That's what I'm saying.

678
00:51:29,349 --> 00:51:38,801
I gotta say that I do notice a lot of times when I'm in class and I'm just making music in
my head, I'm like, my God, I need to give value to my students.

679
00:51:38,801 --> 00:51:41,862
I feel like I'm spending my time just making music here.

680
00:51:41,862 --> 00:51:46,743
But then after I get a lot of feedback, dude, I love that you should make more music then.

681
00:51:46,743 --> 00:51:50,504
Cause I'm like you said, I'm just teaching, teaching the tricks.

682
00:51:50,554 --> 00:51:53,145
this, uh, this, should know this, this I do.

683
00:51:53,145 --> 00:51:57,616
So I need to find the balance with myself to give them both.

684
00:51:57,618 --> 00:52:02,558
my, you know, style of teaching where it just give you information and tricks.

685
00:52:02,558 --> 00:52:06,998
And I guarantee you will learn at least one thing, uh, in my sessions.

686
00:52:06,998 --> 00:52:13,438
Uh, but at the same time also provide inspiration by applying it, by making music.

687
00:52:13,438 --> 00:52:15,518
So we're doing it more and more.

688
00:52:15,518 --> 00:52:24,474
And so I got to say that when I was a younger, um, I had to go to the army mandatory three
years.

689
00:52:24,474 --> 00:52:25,605
And I hated the army.

690
00:52:25,605 --> 00:52:26,696
I'm a pacifist.

691
00:52:26,696 --> 00:52:29,518
I hate army so bad, so much.

692
00:52:29,709 --> 00:52:35,404
so one of my ways of coping with it was listening to music in headphones, 24 seven.

693
00:52:35,404 --> 00:52:41,850
would just headphones, back in the day, it was the post Napstar eh era.

694
00:52:41,850 --> 00:52:43,071
was soul sick.

695
00:52:43,071 --> 00:52:45,893
Soul sick is, I think, I think you can still get it.

696
00:52:45,893 --> 00:52:46,884
It's kind of like Napstar.

697
00:52:46,884 --> 00:52:49,457
can download music from others, people, computers.

698
00:52:49,457 --> 00:52:51,418
So I was downloading.

699
00:52:51,718 --> 00:53:01,626
crazy amounts of music from all over the world, things that I never heard of, just kind of
fanatically and extremely consuming music.

700
00:53:01,887 --> 00:53:05,741
And my interest in, wait, why is this genre this?

701
00:53:05,741 --> 00:53:08,353
Why is this genre, what makes it that?

702
00:53:08,353 --> 00:53:10,035
Started from very early on.

703
00:53:10,035 --> 00:53:12,058
I was like 17, 18.

704
00:53:12,297 --> 00:53:18,402
So ever since I just have this uh huge interest into...

705
00:53:18,542 --> 00:53:26,487
music styles, like genres of style of music and what makes them that and somewhat the
culture behind it.

706
00:53:26,487 --> 00:53:34,311
But for me, it's mostly the music, like what makes the production, the tools that they
use.

707
00:53:34,311 --> 00:53:46,224
yes, there are some styles that are more modern that I still have to research, but a lot
of the styles I've been listening to for years and loving them so much that I kind of know

708
00:53:46,224 --> 00:53:46,995
what I need to do.

709
00:53:46,995 --> 00:53:51,238
Of course, there's still research goes into that into, okay, what are the tools?

710
00:53:51,238 --> 00:53:52,749
How can I simplify it?

711
00:53:52,749 --> 00:54:04,677
And that's one of the most important things for my teachings is how can I take whatever
style doesn't matter and make it uh manageable to create for even beginners slash

712
00:54:04,677 --> 00:54:14,866
intermediate users that are just starting out, but let's give them the tools, a template,
maybe narrow down the sounds like give them a preset pack or a sample pack.

713
00:54:14,866 --> 00:54:23,653
ah So I think that's the biggest thing for me is if I can get to a point where I can
simply explain the style, I know I'm ready for class.

714
00:54:23,653 --> 00:54:26,395
If not, I'm starting to stress out.

715
00:54:26,476 --> 00:54:32,460
There's a few styles that there are might need, there are met a bit more complex.

716
00:54:32,460 --> 00:54:34,642
So I have to make templates.

717
00:54:34,642 --> 00:54:37,424
For example, recently we did Botanica.

718
00:54:37,424 --> 00:54:44,770
Botanica is a new style that is kind of a mixture between ambient and glitch music.

719
00:54:44,772 --> 00:54:50,265
with a lot of a kind of nice, beautiful Ghibli studio style called core progressions.

720
00:54:50,445 --> 00:54:56,349
And in some way it needs a lot, a lot of layers and a lot of glitching.

721
00:54:56,349 --> 00:55:04,123
And so I just take my time to find the tools or the presets or the sample packs that
allows me to do that.

722
00:55:04,123 --> 00:55:05,024
But thank you, man.

723
00:55:05,024 --> 00:55:09,976
Yes, there's a lot of research, but a lot of kind of past knowledge of music.

724
00:55:09,976 --> 00:55:12,838
And I used to work in a company that

725
00:55:13,538 --> 00:55:15,098
used to, have to, that's what I had to do.

726
00:55:15,098 --> 00:55:19,720
had to listen to music and then categorize it in like a hundred different categories.

727
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:23,161
So it kind of also gain experience from that.

728
00:55:23,161 --> 00:55:25,461
It's like a tech startup.

729
00:55:25,461 --> 00:55:27,422
I don't think it exists anymore.

730
00:55:27,422 --> 00:55:28,432
So thank you, David.

731
00:55:28,432 --> 00:55:29,641
I appreciate it.

732
00:55:29,641 --> 00:55:33,423
It's, I guess it's just also my love for music and my love for teaching.

733
00:55:33,423 --> 00:55:39,715
There is something I love explaining stuff and I have to find the cool stuff in order to
explain them.

734
00:55:39,715 --> 00:55:43,406
So my time goes from researching and making music.

735
00:55:43,474 --> 00:55:45,214
to just exploring.

736
00:55:45,214 --> 00:55:47,935
There are of course some topics that are more close to hard.

737
00:55:47,935 --> 00:55:52,216
We did LA beats, like flying lotus style.

738
00:55:52,216 --> 00:55:55,627
That I just, was like, I just, it was amazing.

739
00:55:55,627 --> 00:55:58,248
I just, you know, flew so nicely.

740
00:55:58,248 --> 00:56:09,101
And there some other styles that are maybe less close to hard, but I still interested in
them and researching them as much as I can to give my students the tools to create them.

741
00:56:09,101 --> 00:56:10,011
But thank you, dude.

742
00:56:10,011 --> 00:56:11,032
I appreciate it, man.

743
00:56:11,032 --> 00:56:12,550
I just, you know, I'm-

744
00:56:12,550 --> 00:56:16,335
nerded hard so it just comes from that I guess.

745
00:56:16,897 --> 00:56:17,497
It's cool.

746
00:56:17,497 --> 00:56:26,585
And you know, one thing about getting into production was it brought me a new appreciation
for almost any kind of music.

747
00:56:26,585 --> 00:56:30,979
So like you were saying, like maybe there's genres, you know, really well, cause you love
it and it's what you're into.

748
00:56:30,979 --> 00:56:38,575
But anything you start exploring has some interesting aspects to it, at least from the
production side.

749
00:56:38,575 --> 00:56:45,306
So it's a great way to just enjoy lots of different music when you put on that kind of
lens to see it through.

750
00:56:45,306 --> 00:56:46,016
Absolutely.

751
00:56:46,016 --> 00:56:54,452
And it's also interesting to see that some styles, although sound complicated to listen
to, like they sound like, whoa, what the hell is going on?

752
00:56:54,873 --> 00:56:58,076
Actually very simple once you break it down.

753
00:56:58,076 --> 00:57:04,080
For example, ah ambient jungle, like this kind of PlayStation 2 slide music.

754
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:12,166
That is somewhat, I'm not going to say simple, but somewhat simpler if you have the right
tools.

755
00:57:12,274 --> 00:57:14,634
to just get yourself to a point where you're just playing around.

756
00:57:14,634 --> 00:57:17,594
And that's, guess, my main mindset.

757
00:57:17,594 --> 00:57:24,894
How can we get to a point where we have the framework of all the tools we need for that
specific style and we're just playing around with that?

758
00:57:24,894 --> 00:57:33,814
Maybe like, for example, in the band scenario, you have your drums, you have your bass,
you have your guitar, you know kind of the guitar chords you can use, you know what the

759
00:57:33,814 --> 00:57:38,154
bass can, how can the bass can follow, or if the bass line start, how the guitar can
follow.

760
00:57:38,154 --> 00:57:39,430
And of course the drums.

761
00:57:39,430 --> 00:57:42,453
So it's just kind like a framework of you can play around with.

762
00:57:42,453 --> 00:57:44,294
That's where the plain music comes.

763
00:57:44,294 --> 00:57:46,576
So that's what we're trying to do with all these styles.

764
00:57:46,576 --> 00:57:52,521
How can we get to a point where we're just playing around in the framework of that style?

765
00:57:52,521 --> 00:57:56,342
Cause it still needs to be that style or else we're creating something else.

766
00:57:56,424 --> 00:57:59,166
So, uh, yes, it is.

767
00:57:59,166 --> 00:58:01,288
Uh, it's nice to explore all those different styles.

768
00:58:01,288 --> 00:58:07,233
And I would recommend any person who likes music, like you said, it gives you appreciation
to all styles of music.

769
00:58:07,233 --> 00:58:09,574
It also opens up your.

770
00:58:09,636 --> 00:58:19,930
appreciate love for music much more just listening because you can appreciate so much any
form of music I used to be a hater when I was to be a teenager I used to be like a 17 year

771
00:58:19,930 --> 00:58:29,674
old with like a old Volkswagen car No one can enter my car, you know when I would take
friends around if I I'm the only one who choose music and it was specific things that

772
00:58:29,674 --> 00:58:39,598
would not be played in my car I can eh happily say today there's I don't know if there's
any style of music that I can't enjoy if the music is good

773
00:58:39,994 --> 00:58:48,521
Anything really, but there used to be, know, today, like I can say, I can see on my kid,
he doesn't like country music, or there's a lot of good country music out there.

774
00:58:48,521 --> 00:58:52,725
So maybe it's more maturity, maybe even mixed with that.

775
00:58:52,725 --> 00:58:59,440
But yeah, definitely the more styles of music you find out about the more appreciation you
have for music as a whole.

776
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:09,500
It's so amazing also to see the connection between all the different styles of music and
how they're inspired from each other.

777
00:59:09,500 --> 00:59:12,751
There is a lot I just played to my Chinese girlfriend.

778
00:59:12,751 --> 00:59:16,092
This I saw on TikTok a rap of China.

779
00:59:16,092 --> 00:59:17,522
It's kind of like American Idol.

780
00:59:17,522 --> 00:59:23,514
I'm sure there's American shows like that, but for rap slash R &B Chinese artists.

781
00:59:23,514 --> 00:59:30,176
And there R &B performance, there's two specific, Mac Diego and Vince T.

782
00:59:30,176 --> 00:59:31,156
Wow.

783
00:59:31,596 --> 00:59:35,807
R &B, know, American R &B, but it's kind of like mixed English and Mandarin.

784
00:59:35,807 --> 00:59:36,588
It's super cool.

785
00:59:36,588 --> 00:59:37,978
I love it so much.

786
00:59:38,106 --> 00:59:41,287
And my girlfriend mentioned cultural appropriation.

787
00:59:41,588 --> 00:59:48,651
And for me, for me, at least it's my opinion, there's no such thing in music as cultural
appropriation.

788
00:59:48,651 --> 00:59:51,252
Yes, it's heavily inspired, but it's beautiful.

789
00:59:51,252 --> 00:59:52,813
That's the beautiful thing about it.

790
00:59:52,813 --> 01:00:03,737
You can even see it with styles like all the clave based styles, like Afro beats or
original uh African music then went.

791
01:00:05,306 --> 01:00:17,425
not thanks to but because of the slave trade they went to america americas a got we don't
got a i have the story says that it was they used to the slaves to build ships and they

792
01:00:17,425 --> 01:00:29,384
used to didn't have the original african instruments so they took pieces of wood from the
ships that they build and start playing the clover rhythm that a lot of the latin and

793
01:00:29,384 --> 01:00:31,908
music afro-cuban music is based on

794
01:00:31,908 --> 01:00:44,629
and now we have things like the the ragga tone and all that and now it went back to africa
and the african went back it was always there but got popularized and simplified and now

795
01:00:44,629 --> 01:00:57,901
we have all the west africa pop music there modern affro beats not the felacuti that we
can hear so many inspirations back and forth between the latin culture and the west

796
01:00:57,901 --> 01:00:59,024
african culture

797
01:00:59,024 --> 01:01:07,608
And there's so many different examples like that around the world where you see the more
you understand the different styles of music, the different cultures, the more you

798
01:01:07,608 --> 01:01:09,939
understand that it's all connected.

799
01:01:09,939 --> 01:01:14,100
And I think that's a extremely beautiful in music.

800
01:01:14,100 --> 01:01:16,101
used to have a website.

801
01:01:16,602 --> 01:01:18,462
This is going to be a bit hippie right now.

802
01:01:18,462 --> 01:01:21,244
Still have the, the domain.

803
01:01:21,244 --> 01:01:24,124
It's called one world, one band.

804
01:01:24,605 --> 01:01:27,576
It's all about peace, world peace and stuff like that.

805
01:01:27,612 --> 01:01:33,164
But I think music, if you search on Google, why music?

806
01:01:33,484 --> 01:01:37,025
One of the answers is bringing people together.

807
01:01:37,065 --> 01:01:41,186
And that is also true with music styles and music genres.

808
01:01:41,186 --> 01:01:52,210
Yes, they're all different and they all represent different music cultures, even dances
and history, but they're all connected in some way.

809
01:01:52,290 --> 01:01:56,641
And again, just to go back, it's hard for me to say cultural appropriation.

810
01:01:56,641 --> 01:01:59,305
It might be, maybe with the club, maybe, I don't know.

811
01:01:59,305 --> 01:02:03,539
I don't think so, but when it comes to the music, no such thing in my opinion.

812
01:02:03,539 --> 01:02:04,639
It's all inspiration.

813
01:02:04,639 --> 01:02:05,620
It's all positive.

814
01:02:05,620 --> 01:02:13,606
And it's amazing to see how uh music from across the world affect each other in all sorts
of different ways.

815
01:02:14,328 --> 01:02:15,439
Yeah, that's cool.

816
01:02:15,439 --> 01:02:29,097
And I mean, we've seen that, we saw that like with rock and roll, even, you know, how that
went back and forth across the ocean, you know, and it's, it's just this constant trade

817
01:02:29,097 --> 01:02:29,818
that happens.

818
01:02:29,818 --> 01:02:35,855
And we're really seeing it a lot more now with some of this like micro tuning stuff that
we see.

819
01:02:35,855 --> 01:02:39,243
And now it's built into Ableton Live where you can.

820
01:02:39,786 --> 01:02:50,648
access these scales that are totally new to Western ears for the most part and make
interesting stuff with it and put it through our own.

821
01:02:50,648 --> 01:02:52,770
I guess it's like a life experience thing.

822
01:02:52,770 --> 01:02:55,172
You know, we, put it through our own.

823
01:02:55,510 --> 01:02:58,632
experience our own culture and it comes out a little different.

824
01:02:58,632 --> 01:03:06,857
It's just like, even on an individual level, if I'm trying to copy another person's style,
I come out with a fun house mirror version of it.

825
01:03:06,857 --> 01:03:14,351
That's very specific to me and all the other things that have found their way into my
sphere of influence.

826
01:03:14,578 --> 01:03:15,964
Exactly, exactly.

827
01:03:15,964 --> 01:03:19,638
That's what we are as musicians, we're just accumulation of all our inspirations.

828
01:03:19,960 --> 01:03:20,840
Yeah.

829
01:03:21,522 --> 01:03:21,962
Yeah.

830
01:03:21,962 --> 01:03:24,055
I like that, that way of looking.

831
01:03:24,055 --> 01:03:27,108
It's not really art in a lot of ways.

832
01:03:27,108 --> 01:03:28,629
It's not property.

833
01:03:29,151 --> 01:03:35,228
It's uh kind of really only, I guess, like commercialism that made it property of people.

834
01:03:35,228 --> 01:03:36,178
don't know.

835
01:03:36,439 --> 01:03:40,764
But once it's out, you know, then anyone can hear it.

836
01:03:41,580 --> 01:03:46,495
Even music is kind of funny because you can't close your eyes to music, you can't close
your ears to it.

837
01:03:46,495 --> 01:03:48,347
There's certain types of art.

838
01:03:48,347 --> 01:03:53,731
You don't have to watch the movie, but if the music is playing, you can't not hear it.

839
01:03:53,776 --> 01:03:54,528
Exactly.

840
01:03:54,528 --> 01:04:00,378
And yeah, and being inspired by it if you like it, which is a good thing.

841
01:04:00,770 --> 01:04:04,661
I guess when we're younger though, we're trying to get our identity together.

842
01:04:04,661 --> 01:04:08,882
So we become haters and we become loyalists.

843
01:04:08,882 --> 01:04:13,243
And I can remember saying, I don't like music with drum machines.

844
01:04:13,744 --> 01:04:14,952
Now that's why I drew the line.

845
01:04:14,952 --> 01:04:17,404
know, meanwhile, I'm listening to Nine Inch Nails.

846
01:04:17,505 --> 01:04:22,966
Not even knowing I'm listening to like all kinds of music that had drum machines in it.

847
01:04:23,006 --> 01:04:24,407
No idea though.

848
01:04:24,407 --> 01:04:29,124
Just thought like that was something I was against, you know, or

849
01:04:29,124 --> 01:04:30,054
you go.

850
01:04:30,115 --> 01:04:30,645
There you go.

851
01:04:30,645 --> 01:04:41,833
I just, I just heard the other day in Mike, uh, in the car, I put a Midwest emo, playlist
on Spotify and some of the style is on purpose.

852
01:04:41,833 --> 01:04:45,245
The vocals are like so off tune crying.

853
01:04:45,245 --> 01:04:49,678
They're almost crying into the microphone and my girlfriend's like, why are we listening
to this?

854
01:04:49,678 --> 01:04:51,829
And I was like, so enjoying it.

855
01:04:51,850 --> 01:04:58,770
There's so much to take from any style, even if it's like on purpose, bad, there's some
stylistic choices.

856
01:04:58,770 --> 01:05:07,366
I would purposely being bad or screaming or, know, or, or the guitars are no distortion,
but the vocals are like growling, like metal.

857
01:05:07,366 --> 01:05:10,898
You know, there's a lot of, uh, I love all of that.

858
01:05:10,898 --> 01:05:12,279
And, I guess you're right.

859
01:05:12,279 --> 01:05:15,642
When we're young, we're trying to maybe find the identity.

860
01:05:15,642 --> 01:05:18,303
We're locking ourselves out of some stuff.

861
01:05:18,504 --> 01:05:20,985
I guess that's the part of the maturity.

862
01:05:20,985 --> 01:05:22,426
Except in all.

863
01:05:23,992 --> 01:05:34,945
Yeah, yeah, it's funny because there's, guess, music where I don't like it on a totality
level, but when I go into the details, then you can be like, yeah, that's pretty cool.

864
01:05:34,945 --> 01:05:41,842
I like the way they switch the beat there, or it's neat how they recorded that whining
voice that I don't like.

865
01:05:41,903 --> 01:05:44,117
know, there's something.

866
01:05:44,117 --> 01:05:49,289
like stuff that I not usually listen to, like Russian romantic music or whatever.

867
01:05:49,289 --> 01:05:56,732
was, when I really think about it, was like, there's no way I would able, ever be able to
come up with these melodies or this harmony.

868
01:05:56,792 --> 01:06:03,615
And there's always appreciation even for music that you're like, I won't listen to this
unless it's in like a movie scene or something.

869
01:06:04,116 --> 01:06:05,076
You know?

870
01:06:05,316 --> 01:06:10,148
So yeah, I going back to the future is maybe to wrap everything up.

871
01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:21,460
What's interesting is also, feel like we are, there's always new music, but at the same
time, kind of heard a lot of the stuff already.

872
01:06:21,460 --> 01:06:28,906
So back from the, you know, early ages of music to today, so much has been done.

873
01:06:29,206 --> 01:06:37,948
One interesting thing that might happen as soon as we start enhancing ourselves as humans,
maybe they will install some contraptions in our ears.

874
01:06:37,948 --> 01:06:44,540
that will also allow us to listen to higher and maybe even lower frequencies than our
hearing range.

875
01:06:44,540 --> 01:06:54,644
So that might also give us a new world to explore as sound designer musicians where we can
start making music above 20,000 Hertz.

876
01:06:54,644 --> 01:07:00,216
That can be, might be a bit cool with some enhanced ears, you know.

877
01:07:00,803 --> 01:07:03,403
be the new tier on Spotify.

878
01:07:05,063 --> 01:07:08,145
Another $3 a month, you can get up to $40k.

879
01:07:08,145 --> 01:07:25,895
yeah exactly the meat the dog music or the music for dogs so I Know I there are some
You're right especially the fireworks and There are some microphones that can record and

880
01:07:25,895 --> 01:07:27,179
then they pitch it down.

881
01:07:27,179 --> 01:07:31,728
There's some interesting sounds but Yeah, not to our ears yet

882
01:07:32,481 --> 01:07:36,978
Yeah, well that was how they got the gravitational waves, right?

883
01:07:36,978 --> 01:07:38,500
I think they pitched that up though.

884
01:07:38,500 --> 01:07:45,106
um Yeah, that's some crazy low waveform, you know.

885
01:07:45,106 --> 01:07:51,488
I think above it, like really fast, I think it's starting to get visual, the of things.

886
01:07:52,408 --> 01:07:53,118
It's crazy.

887
01:07:53,118 --> 01:07:53,549
Yeah.

888
01:07:53,549 --> 01:08:01,470
Cause it's also, it's also a spectrum of vibrations and we just have this very small music
vibrate range.

889
01:08:01,591 --> 01:08:11,653
And if you go super high, you know, all the radio waves and then above that ultraviolet,
whatever, I'm not an expert, but it's all, it's very interesting.

890
01:08:11,653 --> 01:08:14,424
Maybe the future, it all kind of collide into one.

891
01:08:14,721 --> 01:08:15,571
Hmm.

892
01:08:15,652 --> 01:08:26,478
Well, I've heard hearing described as just really sensitive touch because it's air
pressure against those little tiny hairs in your ear and your eardrum.

893
01:08:26,478 --> 01:08:36,134
it gets converted, you know, analog to analog conversion inside your brain and becomes
sound that we somehow decode.

894
01:08:36,134 --> 01:08:41,847
Um, which yeah.

895
01:08:42,435 --> 01:08:51,255
That's probably why it's fun to hear loud music and it vibrates you and it's literally
touching you.

896
01:08:51,255 --> 01:08:54,930
Those sub frequencies are going through your body.

897
01:08:54,930 --> 01:08:58,610
There is such a different feeling when you turn up the music.

898
01:08:58,830 --> 01:09:00,290
Yeah, for sure.

899
01:09:00,620 --> 01:09:14,145
I had a lot of fun with one of the guys in my band when we recorded guitars recently,
because he's got like the Marshall half stack and we turned it up as loud as it could go.

900
01:09:15,186 --> 01:09:17,787
Never been allowed to play guitar that loud in my life.

901
01:09:17,787 --> 01:09:18,568
It was so loud.

902
01:09:18,568 --> 01:09:26,551
I could barely hear the music I was recording to and the headphones, but there's just
something about that.

903
01:09:27,029 --> 01:09:34,896
It's a power, know, every movement of your finger on the strings is blasted loud.

904
01:09:34,896 --> 01:09:42,132
Yeah, even musicians playing next to me, if it's through a speaker's violin compared to
violin playing next to me, that's a whole...

905
01:09:42,132 --> 01:09:44,396
another five.

906
01:09:46,123 --> 01:09:49,510
Yeah, there really is something magical about that.

907
01:09:49,745 --> 01:09:50,524
Yes.

908
01:09:52,696 --> 01:10:00,838
You should probably mention just some of the stuff you got like on Instagram and YouTube
shorts.

909
01:10:01,398 --> 01:10:13,732
Cause you also are so good at taking these complex ideas and putting them into a one
minute video, which I think is another type of talent to spend two hours going in depth on

910
01:10:13,732 --> 01:10:16,483
something is one thing, but to be able to just condense it all.

911
01:10:16,483 --> 01:10:18,095
um

912
01:10:18,095 --> 01:10:23,041
you really go through some pretty complex ideas and innovative ideas too.

913
01:10:23,041 --> 01:10:31,060
I really loved what you were doing with the bouncy notes that for that's from the inspired
by nature pack that Ableton has.

914
01:10:31,060 --> 01:10:38,378
And those bouncy notes is not accompanying chords is brilliant.

915
01:10:38,378 --> 01:10:39,219
Thank you so much.

916
01:10:39,219 --> 01:10:40,240
Yeah, dude.

917
01:10:40,240 --> 01:10:40,930
I appreciate it.

918
01:10:40,930 --> 01:10:41,161
Yeah.

919
01:10:41,161 --> 01:10:48,786
That's a, one of my main uh ways of getting new people kind of to know me and to get
involved.

920
01:10:48,786 --> 01:10:58,473
What I do is those Instagram short videos and Tik Tok and YouTube shorts, just kind of
like show tips and ideas for Ableton.

921
01:10:58,473 --> 01:11:06,330
Like you mentioned, the latest one was the auto accompaniment with the bouncy notes, which
is a super awesome and somewhat overlooked device.

922
01:11:06,330 --> 01:11:11,491
So yes, sometimes some weeks I try to do it every week are harder than others.

923
01:11:11,491 --> 01:11:14,132
Some weeks is just for my own experimentation.

924
01:11:14,132 --> 01:11:17,453
It's like, wow, that's kind of a cool way of doing this.

925
01:11:17,453 --> 01:11:21,292
Let me share it with my following and thanks man.

926
01:11:21,292 --> 01:11:21,824
I appreciate it.

927
01:11:21,824 --> 01:11:32,517
So if anyone's interested side brain on Instagram, tick tock, I posted all of my social
networks, Twitter X, Facebook and YouTube shorts.

928
01:11:32,517 --> 01:11:35,378
Uh, so it's weekly kind of like.

929
01:11:35,378 --> 01:11:39,219
tips and tricks for Ableton and music production.

930
01:11:39,400 --> 01:11:41,301
Mostly just Ableton music production.

931
01:11:41,301 --> 01:11:43,782
I rarely do anything, not Ableton.

932
01:11:43,782 --> 01:11:45,963
That's kind of like my thing.

933
01:11:45,963 --> 01:11:49,524
And on YouTube, more kind of long form videos.

934
01:11:49,524 --> 01:11:52,705
And recently I also started releasing all those mugs for live devices.

935
01:11:52,705 --> 01:11:56,547
there's also a bunch of tools and utilities there.

936
01:11:56,547 --> 01:12:03,920
And of course, if anyone's interested in joining the Sunday sessions, I do also have a
newsletter you can join.

937
01:12:03,920 --> 01:12:15,015
And in the newsletter, there's some exclusive Max for Life stuff that are only available
in the newsletter, like in this past one we offered a MIDI visualizer.

938
01:12:15,015 --> 01:12:24,239
I don't know, lot of people know this, but back in version 11 of Ableton, there's a MIDI
effect, you can find it today, called MIDI Monitor.

939
01:12:24,299 --> 01:12:31,730
And in the MIDI Monitor, it just shows you kind of like a small keyboard, a very basic
core detector, and you can even see the flow.

940
01:12:31,730 --> 01:12:42,770
Your MIDI data if you need to troubleshoot stuff or stuff like that It used to be a hidden
MIDI visualizer if anyone still have Ableton Live 11 go MIDI monitor Switch to the flow

941
01:12:42,770 --> 01:12:52,970
state and then you need to click somewhere on the bottom It's it's hidden and it turns it
into a MIDI visualizer meaning when you hit a note it kind of gives you this Visualized

942
01:12:52,970 --> 01:12:53,890
explosions.

943
01:12:53,890 --> 01:13:00,368
I don't know why they removed it It was a hidden feature, but I don't know why they
removed it so you can do it

944
01:13:00,368 --> 01:13:10,722
You can find it now, but ah I made one that is offered to the community, to the Discord
members, and to the newsletter.

945
01:13:10,722 --> 01:13:20,546
So even if you're not planning to join the Sunday sessions, the newsletter have a lot of
tips, tricks, tutorials, and of course some exclusive mucks for live devices.

946
01:13:20,546 --> 01:13:24,368
ah Through the newsletter, you can find it on my website.

947
01:13:24,448 --> 01:13:29,760
Just sidebrain.net join-the-group if anyone's interested.

948
01:13:30,020 --> 01:13:32,726
or if you download anything from my Gumball you'll be added.

949
01:13:33,057 --> 01:13:33,847
Hmm.

950
01:13:33,968 --> 01:13:35,098
Yeah, I get that newsletter.

951
01:13:35,098 --> 01:13:35,669
It's great.

952
01:13:35,669 --> 01:13:40,311
There's always cool stuff going on and you're doing so much.

953
01:13:40,351 --> 01:13:40,771
yeah.

954
01:13:40,771 --> 01:13:54,460
Um, something stuck out to me from when we were talking in February in LA and, uh, it kind
of makes me think a little bit about what you were saying about new careers, new paths in

955
01:13:54,460 --> 01:13:55,420
music.

956
01:13:55,420 --> 01:14:00,483
You were talking about your own music and how you're

957
01:14:00,749 --> 01:14:05,635
kind of content with just putting it inside the music tutorials and the stuff you're
doing.

958
01:14:05,635 --> 01:14:10,530
I thought that was just a really interesting way to look at it.

959
01:14:10,571 --> 01:14:16,277
Because sometimes we put so much pressure on product release and all this stuff.

960
01:14:16,277 --> 01:14:20,268
And yeah, I wanted to just pick your brain on that a little bit.

961
01:14:20,268 --> 01:14:24,381
I did had a huge pressure on myself in the past about I have to release music.

962
01:14:24,381 --> 01:14:25,501
I'm a musician.

963
01:14:25,501 --> 01:14:27,022
Am I a musician?

964
01:14:27,022 --> 01:14:28,243
I'm not releasing music.

965
01:14:28,243 --> 01:14:29,643
Like what's going on?

966
01:14:29,904 --> 01:14:41,250
I know I got to say that a lot of times I get, cause on all my tips and tricks on the
social media at the end, I give a very short musical example using that, whatever we just

967
01:14:41,250 --> 01:14:42,211
talked about.

968
01:14:42,211 --> 01:14:47,093
And a lot of times I get comments like, Hey, where can I listen to the full track?

969
01:14:47,093 --> 01:14:48,966
Can you release the full track?

970
01:14:48,966 --> 01:14:53,588
And it makes me feel a tiny bit bad because I'm not going to release the, there's no full
track.

971
01:14:53,728 --> 01:14:56,829
This is made purely for educational purposes.

972
01:14:56,829 --> 01:14:58,530
And it's very flattering.

973
01:14:58,530 --> 01:15:04,693
That is good enough to a point where people are asking, where can I find a full track?

974
01:15:04,693 --> 01:15:09,375
But also I'm probably not going to release the full track.

975
01:15:09,375 --> 01:15:16,258
Now, a lot of this is because of time constraints and, know, being a dad and having, you
know, the,

976
01:15:16,770 --> 01:15:19,121
Main career is music education.

977
01:15:19,121 --> 01:15:21,393
That's where I make my money.

978
01:15:21,393 --> 01:15:33,360
Um, so most of my focus going into music education, uh, when I teach a lot of times, yes,
I do create a projects that might not be full flat songs, but something I share with my

979
01:15:33,360 --> 01:15:35,361
students as an example.

980
01:15:35,361 --> 01:15:38,283
And of course, all the stuff that I make on my YouTube.

981
01:15:38,283 --> 01:15:41,024
it's a great feeling and honor.

982
01:15:41,024 --> 01:15:44,368
And I really appreciate everyone that is commenting on.

983
01:15:44,368 --> 01:15:49,222
My videos like, dude, the music that you give us an example is awesome.

984
01:15:49,303 --> 01:15:55,989
But at the same time, I don't feel the need or even the want to release it.

985
01:15:55,989 --> 01:15:59,772
Cause there's so much more today that goes around releasing it.

986
01:15:59,772 --> 01:16:09,841
eh Besides finishing the music, you know, after that, the marketing, the kind of trying to
push your music to the audience, post about it, whatever it is.

987
01:16:09,841 --> 01:16:11,482
And I kind of.

988
01:16:11,858 --> 01:16:20,838
I feel like, and this might be my own insecurities, I feel like the value that I give is
better with education than just the music.

989
01:16:20,838 --> 01:16:31,318
So yes, like there's some music you can find of me online, but maybe the latest release
was 2021 or 20, I don't know, a few years that I haven't released music.

990
01:16:31,318 --> 01:16:33,038
I don't have any plans to release music.

991
01:16:33,038 --> 01:16:36,598
And I see myself more as a music educator than a musician.

992
01:16:36,598 --> 01:16:41,508
So maybe that's where I kind of a bit different than regular musicians that

993
01:16:41,508 --> 01:16:44,100
You know, that's the musicians, they make music.

994
01:16:44,100 --> 01:16:54,149
I not necessarily am a musician, but rather more so as a music, music educator, which I
take a full pride on.

995
01:16:54,249 --> 01:16:59,033
I want to see myself as a good music educator that can teach.

996
01:16:59,033 --> 01:17:04,398
I trained top artists in LA, universities, stuff like that.

997
01:17:04,398 --> 01:17:09,322
But yeah, definitely music releasing is not.

998
01:17:09,682 --> 01:17:11,942
It's not even on my list.

999
01:17:11,982 --> 01:17:17,002
It's not even, you know, as something that a goal of mine anymore.

1000
01:17:17,462 --> 01:17:25,761
Uh, but that's being said from someone who is extremely, I'm sure a lot of us are
extremely self critic.

1001
01:17:25,761 --> 01:17:35,282
I'm like, cannot, like if right now we come into a studio and we make music, I will
probably don't know what to do unless you tell me you the, let's do this and this.

1002
01:17:35,282 --> 01:17:36,822
I'm flying 10 minutes.

1003
01:17:36,822 --> 01:17:37,738
You have it.

1004
01:17:38,534 --> 01:17:41,774
Oh, let's do something to 150 BPM, R &B.

1005
01:17:41,774 --> 01:17:44,836
10 minutes, have uh amazing stuff.

1006
01:17:44,836 --> 01:17:48,037
But if right now is you'd let's just make something.

1007
01:17:48,037 --> 01:17:49,157
I'm stuck.

1008
01:17:49,157 --> 01:17:50,037
I don't know what to do.

1009
01:17:50,037 --> 01:17:54,139
I'm kind of like almost like music by demand in some way.

1010
01:17:54,139 --> 01:18:02,961
So that's why these sessions of like focused styles, sessions, Sunday sessions, where I
know, okay, this week we're making Afro beats.

1011
01:18:03,081 --> 01:18:04,382
I know what I need to do.

1012
01:18:04,382 --> 01:18:06,212
I know what I need to focus on.

1013
01:18:06,224 --> 01:18:09,135
It's much easier for me to create that way.

1014
01:18:09,475 --> 01:18:16,336
So it's a struggle that I had for years.

1015
01:18:16,737 --> 01:18:31,160
And I can't tell you exactly when I let it go, but when I let it go and fully embrace
myself as a music educator, I was able to be much more creative and create much more music

1016
01:18:31,160 --> 01:18:33,421
without the obligation of finishing it.

1017
01:18:33,421 --> 01:18:36,001
And that's maybe the easiest way out.

1018
01:18:36,228 --> 01:18:37,681
It's an easy way out.

1019
01:18:37,681 --> 01:18:42,350
I'm sure it's kind of like giving up in some way.

1020
01:18:42,350 --> 01:18:46,518
But again, I'm more of an educator than a musician.

1021
01:18:46,518 --> 01:18:48,982
So I start putting that pressure on me.

1022
01:18:50,113 --> 01:18:52,915
Well, it's a good way to reframe it.

1023
01:18:52,915 --> 01:18:54,175
if, I mean, you're right.

1024
01:18:54,175 --> 01:18:57,537
Like it's not just finishing the song.

1025
01:18:57,537 --> 01:19:01,039
It's the releasing and then it's the trying to get people to listen to it.

1026
01:19:01,039 --> 01:19:04,420
And you can't even give it away anymore.

1027
01:19:05,043 --> 01:19:11,960
when that can be deflating and you put all this time into it and no one wants to hear it
or whatever.

1028
01:19:11,960 --> 01:19:19,207
You got to worry about all those other things, but every time you make a tutorial, you're
getting some of your music out there, you know?

1029
01:19:19,668 --> 01:19:27,755
And the way a lot of people listen to music these days anyway, that might be all they hear
of a song as it is before they skip to the next one.

1030
01:19:28,536 --> 01:19:29,397
So.

1031
01:19:29,535 --> 01:19:35,268
to be able to identify where you're feeling the stress and pressure and then just cut it
out.

1032
01:19:35,268 --> 01:19:40,941
think it's smart because you're, you're now having fun and you kept saying play, play
music.

1033
01:19:40,941 --> 01:19:47,780
And plus a lot of what you said about, um, if we were going to make the R and B track, you
know what to do.

1034
01:19:47,780 --> 01:19:53,378
we're going to do this, a lot of times that's the problem we all face is these infinite
options.

1035
01:19:53,378 --> 01:19:56,340
can do anything we want, any direction.

1036
01:19:56,340 --> 01:19:58,801
have every tool, every sound.

1037
01:19:59,494 --> 01:20:08,790
every bit of information we need, tutorials that you, yeah, how do you decide to make
anything is a good question.

1038
01:20:08,790 --> 01:20:12,591
That's what I, lot of times I tell my students about creativity.

1039
01:20:12,591 --> 01:20:22,154
I, my personal belief is creativity shines with limitations and lack of limitations kills
creativity.

1040
01:20:22,154 --> 01:20:32,437
I always give now the old example that I don't know if a lot of people, the young people
know about, but MacGyver, MacGyver is a perfect example of creativity.

1041
01:20:32,677 --> 01:20:37,738
So the more limitations you would put upon yourself, the better.

1042
01:20:38,032 --> 01:20:40,987
the more creative you would be forced to be.

1043
01:20:41,510 --> 01:20:45,257
So uh I think limitations is essential.

1044
01:20:45,259 --> 01:20:49,044
And like you said, today it's too much.

1045
01:20:50,261 --> 01:20:57,150
Yes, the only way I get things done is when I decide I'm going to use this tool or try to
make a song like this or play with the band.

1046
01:20:57,150 --> 01:21:02,576
There's only three of us and it's already got its built in limitations to it.

1047
01:21:03,398 --> 01:21:06,481
But when it's, let's just see where the wind takes me today.

1048
01:21:06,481 --> 01:21:09,579
oh

1049
01:21:09,579 --> 01:21:12,184
but that's usually super weird stuff.

1050
01:21:13,119 --> 01:21:20,912
And it doesn't usually happen until I start committing down a path and just going and
seeing where takes me.

1051
01:21:21,672 --> 01:21:27,935
But you've got that built into your topics each week and sharing that.

1052
01:21:27,975 --> 01:21:32,516
think, I think it's a cool way again, like almost this alternative way.

1053
01:21:33,049 --> 01:21:33,938
it.

1054
01:21:33,938 --> 01:21:43,483
Looking back, it was a motivation for me to get started sharing my work and sharing some
of the behind the scenes stuff and tools I was using.

1055
01:21:43,538 --> 01:21:51,127
It was because when I started looking to things like YouTube to learn, I found myself
listening to these artists too.

1056
01:21:51,588 --> 01:21:52,998
I'd hear the stuff they're doing.

1057
01:21:52,998 --> 01:21:54,039
I'd be it's kind of cool.

1058
01:21:54,039 --> 01:21:56,400
Maybe I'll download their EP or something.

1059
01:21:56,400 --> 01:22:01,673
And it was a much different way of getting into music than I'd ever had before.

1060
01:22:02,330 --> 01:22:02,964
Absolutely.

1061
01:22:02,964 --> 01:22:05,184
That's a great point.

1062
01:22:06,759 --> 01:22:11,442
I'm sure there's just all kinds of new avenues waiting to be explored.

1063
01:22:11,442 --> 01:22:17,346
I think that was inspiring to hear you say at that lunch we had.

1064
01:22:20,469 --> 01:22:29,826
Because that's a real pressure that I think a lot of us, especially when you are teaching,
because you want to feel like you have the right to be teaching.

1065
01:22:29,826 --> 01:22:32,010
So I should have a catalog.

1066
01:22:32,010 --> 01:22:44,130
I can tell you that just for my point right now that I'm already quite established as a
music educator, I can afford to do that.

1067
01:22:44,130 --> 01:22:49,530
There was huge pressure a couple of years ago to always release music as the head of the
school.

1068
01:22:49,530 --> 01:22:59,248
I always like had to prove to myself and that I can prove to others that I can make good
music or else what's, why am I an educator?

1069
01:22:59,248 --> 01:23:02,359
Like, what can I teach if I can't make good music?

1070
01:23:02,359 --> 01:23:06,480
I don't have the right to be a teacher if I can't make good music.

1071
01:23:06,480 --> 01:23:20,444
So luckily today, and it's quite amazing for me, I got to a point where I feel like I
proved enough to my students that I can make good music that I don't have to make music.

1072
01:23:21,345 --> 01:23:26,352
It's just the, you know, the idea is that if you trust upon me to teach you this topic,

1073
01:23:26,352 --> 01:23:32,502
You know that I'm also going to give you examples that sounds great, without me needing to
now release an album.

1074
01:23:34,713 --> 01:23:36,757
Well, like you said earlier, too.

1075
01:23:36,870 --> 01:23:38,912
I would have to, I would feel pressured.

1076
01:23:39,199 --> 01:23:45,484
Yeah, well that's the benefit of doing a weekly practice like this too for you especially.

1077
01:23:45,872 --> 01:23:49,725
And also if anyone's thinking about this route, the content.

1078
01:23:49,725 --> 01:23:52,296
Content also validates me a lot.

1079
01:23:52,677 --> 01:24:05,145
Back before two years ago, all my content used to be through the mask of BeatLab Academy,
the school, which also became very popular online, but people didn't know Yuda was doing

1080
01:24:05,145 --> 01:24:08,608
all the content for BeatLab Academy, everything.

1081
01:24:08,608 --> 01:24:12,164
So now that it's my face, my artist name, everything,

1082
01:24:12,164 --> 01:24:21,742
It's much more validating for people to know me as uh a music educator, Ableton, know,
guy.

1083
01:24:23,200 --> 01:24:24,660
Well, there's artistry in that.

1084
01:24:24,660 --> 01:24:26,771
I mean, your whole approach is unique.

1085
01:24:26,771 --> 01:24:27,992
It's to your style.

1086
01:24:27,992 --> 01:24:29,462
It fits you well.

1087
01:24:31,503 --> 01:24:36,004
So that's, that's, there's art to that.

1088
01:24:36,004 --> 01:24:39,365
You know, it's not just technical stuff teaching.

1089
01:24:39,365 --> 01:24:44,007
There's definitely a craft and a, and an artist and creativity in it.

1090
01:24:44,007 --> 01:24:48,648
And hey, you know, if you're scratching that itch and

1091
01:24:48,948 --> 01:24:55,022
Yeah, maybe you don't feel like sitting around and mixing the song and mastering it and
so.

1092
01:24:55,048 --> 01:24:57,156
I won't let myself finish them.

1093
01:24:57,220 --> 01:24:58,092
You know?

1094
01:24:58,600 --> 01:24:59,480
Yeah.

1095
01:25:00,102 --> 01:25:03,772
Yeah, well, how do you finish anything besides let it go?

1096
01:25:03,772 --> 01:25:05,833
insecurity thing.

1097
01:25:05,833 --> 01:25:06,682
It's never too good.

1098
01:25:06,682 --> 01:25:08,214
It's never good enough.

1099
01:25:08,395 --> 01:25:15,418
Which I'm sure a lot of artists face, but, uh, I was never able to pass that point.

1100
01:25:17,072 --> 01:25:19,974
I don't know anybody that really has passed it.

1101
01:25:19,974 --> 01:25:21,972
think they just deal with it.

1102
01:25:21,972 --> 01:25:30,302
For all the people I talk to on this and for myself too, I have to accept it for what it
is.

1103
01:25:30,852 --> 01:25:34,505
The mindset of thinking it is almost like a journal entry.

1104
01:25:35,006 --> 01:25:36,127
This is where I am today.

1105
01:25:36,127 --> 01:25:41,566
This is what I was able to do in this recording and live with it.

1106
01:25:41,566 --> 01:25:42,237
healthy, dude.

1107
01:25:42,237 --> 01:25:43,218
That's really healthy.

1108
01:25:43,218 --> 01:25:48,312
Me, I'm sure a lot of people, I go from, I'm a piece of shit to I'm the best artist in the
world.

1109
01:25:48,312 --> 01:25:52,956
And it's just an extreme spectrum of just going in between them.

1110
01:25:52,956 --> 01:26:04,705
So when I teach, I'm more able to be stable in knowing I'm a good teacher and I can give
good examples without the need to go between these two extremes of like, wow, I'm the

1111
01:26:04,705 --> 01:26:07,968
worst musician ever to, my God, I'm a genius.

1112
01:26:07,968 --> 01:26:10,564
I don't like the jump between them.

1113
01:26:10,564 --> 01:26:16,009
And sometimes it's a daily thing, you know, of when I, when I try to finish music.

1114
01:26:16,009 --> 01:26:18,221
So I'm not, I don't want to.

1115
01:26:18,221 --> 01:26:20,322
Right.

1116
01:26:20,609 --> 01:26:24,514
to like the end of the take, I go from one extreme to the other.

1117
01:26:26,619 --> 01:26:27,119
Yeah.

1118
01:26:27,119 --> 01:26:30,446
to be more just not too high, not too low.

1119
01:26:30,706 --> 01:26:32,237
It's good, it's healthy.

1120
01:26:32,978 --> 01:26:35,299
You gotta watch out for that stuff.

1121
01:26:36,802 --> 01:26:39,684
Yeah, it's awesome stuff, man.

1122
01:26:41,586 --> 01:26:43,397
I know a lot of people are benefiting from it.

1123
01:26:43,397 --> 01:26:47,076
People in my community know you and follow your work.

1124
01:26:47,076 --> 01:26:51,535
In my Discord, one of your videos pops up from somebody every once in a while.

1125
01:26:51,535 --> 01:26:53,277
Look at this, did you know this?

1126
01:26:53,277 --> 01:26:55,378
And it's usually like, nah, I didn't know that.

1127
01:26:55,378 --> 01:26:56,699
That's amazing.

1128
01:26:56,944 --> 01:26:58,178
That's thank you so much, dude.

1129
01:26:58,178 --> 01:26:58,800
Appreciate it.

1130
01:26:58,800 --> 01:26:59,951
That's good to hear.

1131
01:27:01,344 --> 01:27:05,130
So we can send people sidebrain.net is sort of the hub.

1132
01:27:05,130 --> 01:27:08,466
And what's cool is you have these courses a la carte.

1133
01:27:08,466 --> 01:27:10,799
You even do like a buy four, get one free.

1134
01:27:10,799 --> 01:27:13,143
And I think you have like a vault as well, right?

1135
01:27:13,143 --> 01:27:16,124
Where you can, yeah.

1136
01:27:16,124 --> 01:27:21,062
a hundred because they, in the beginning of the sessions, we're not all of them got
recorded.

1137
01:27:21,062 --> 01:27:23,385
So almost a hundred and we are very weak.

1138
01:27:23,385 --> 01:27:27,190
have a different thing, a different topic that we talk about.

1139
01:27:27,716 --> 01:27:32,723
And I would argue that each week is a lot more than one week's worth of material.

1140
01:27:32,723 --> 01:27:32,933
Yeah.

1141
01:27:32,933 --> 01:27:37,805
It's a lot of information and people can check out 20 minutes for free on each and each
session.

1142
01:27:37,805 --> 01:27:40,032
there's so much free material there.

1143
01:27:40,032 --> 01:27:42,313
If anyone's interested in checking them out.

1144
01:27:45,058 --> 01:27:45,623
Thank you.

1145
01:27:45,623 --> 01:27:47,595
always appreciated about what you do.

1146
01:27:48,166 --> 01:27:49,008
Yes.

1147
01:27:49,800 --> 01:27:50,490
Amazing,

1148
01:27:50,490 --> 01:28:03,927
check out Sidebrain wherever you want to go as he's there, YouTube, Instagram, TikTok, the
internet, and Ableton is always sharing your stuff too,

1149
01:28:04,134 --> 01:28:04,875
Yeah.

1150
01:28:05,039 --> 01:28:07,646
And I do a lot of work with Everton directly as well.

1151
01:28:07,646 --> 01:28:08,417
Yeah.

1152
01:28:09,016 --> 01:28:10,167
Well, that's cool, man.

1153
01:28:10,167 --> 01:28:11,420
I thank you for being here.

1154
01:28:11,420 --> 01:28:13,325
Thank you man for having me until next time.

1155
01:28:13,325 --> 01:28:14,734
Appreciate it.

1156
01:28:14,734 --> 01:28:15,827
you to the listeners.

1157
01:28:15,827 --> 01:28:17,500
You guys have a great day.

1158
01:28:18,564 --> 01:28:19,226
Cool, man.

1159
01:28:19,226 --> 01:28:20,147
We did it.

1160
01:28:20,147 --> 01:28:20,509
dude.

1161
01:28:20,509 --> 01:28:21,043
Thank you so much.

1162
01:28:21,043 --> 01:28:22,217
That was great.