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Welcome to Wild Turkey Science, a podcast made possible by Turkeys for Tomorrow.

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I'm Dr. Marcus Lashley, Professor of Wildlife Ecology at the University of Florida.

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And I'm Dr. Will Goolsby, Professor of Wildlife Ecology and Management at Auburn University.

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We're both lifelong hunters and devoted scientists who are passionate about hunting, managing,

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and researching wild turkeys.

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In this podcast, we'll explore turkey research, speak to the experts in the field, and address

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the difficult questions related to wild turkey ecology and management.

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Our goal is to serve as your connection to wild turkey science.

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Because every time we start the show, we're literally laughing.

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And I know that you guys had a lot of funny interactions through the process of filming

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these courses, so we thought it would be fun to have you on the show.

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So in case you both don't know, we're live now.

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For those out there listening, we're going to do this one a little differently.

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We asked Will to step away because we kind of got some incriminating things about him.

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I'm just kidding.

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But we do have some funny things that happened, even with Will, that you guys can share.

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So we have Zach Steele, Dr. Zach Steele, back with us.

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I think it's good for people to know that you haven't just been emailing folks, pestering

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them, that you've also been developing some really important stuff that people are really

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valuing.

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And then Dorothy, you go by Dot, is here with us.

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She has been behind the scenes and behind a lot of the social media stuff that you guys

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see if you're following us.

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A lot of the video footage and images and also one of your big accomplishments has been

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the editing and curating of our course that we've already launched.

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So thank you guys for coming to do this.

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And we're sad that Will wasn't here, but we're also kind of happy because I hear you've got

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some good stuff on him.

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We might have some dirt.

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We might.

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Yeah, well, so I would like to hear from your perspective, you know, what is this course

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that we have?

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I know we we have given our perspective on what that course is and what it entails and

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how valuable it is, but I'd like to hear it from your perspective, since you guys literally

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did the filming and editing and curation of the course.

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You know, what what do you think in terms of the resource that you've created?

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I guess describe that.

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You want to go first out or you want me to?

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I mean, I don't mind going first.

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Well, before we started filming it, I knew less than nothing about turkeys and habitat

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management.

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Even when I got this job, I didn't know anything about turkeys.

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And I feel like I've learned a lot, especially filming the course, I actually learned a ton

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about habitat management and about turkeys.

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And I think it's a really great resource for land managers.

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There's just such a variety of different content and different speakers in the course.

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While I was editing, I felt like every video I'd learn something new every few minutes.

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And especially and I really learned something new because I had to rewatch things the same

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video like 50 times to like cut little things.

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I really learned a lot.

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So the final cut of the course, how long is it like in terms of like just continuous footage?

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It's probably like 10 hours at least for the first one.

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Yeah, we cut out a chunk.

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So you can just imagine how many hours there was.

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So 10 hours times 50 at least, and probably another another 50 on that, I would bet certainly

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across many people as well.

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Lots of people were having to rewatch things and go through it and real challenge.

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But that's the thing as well.

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Because even when I watch pieces of it now, I feel like I still learn new things despite

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having watched it.

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Like however many hundred times also like learn a new thing like, oh, with like burning

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and the different plant coverage and the canopies coverage for the poults and what kind of plants

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you should plant and predator management or all that kind of stuff.

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There's just like so much.

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Yeah, it's I think it's really good, valuable resource for land managers.

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And there's not really anything else like it out there, which is pretty cool that we

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got to pioneer this.

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Very cool.

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Zach, do you want to add anything?

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So I remember when I first started this position back in like August of twenty, twenty four.

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And Marcus, you describing like what your vision was for this course.

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I remember it was kind of hard in my head to like, like actually think, oh, wow, we're

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actually going to going to make this happen.

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It just seems so expansive and like such an undertaking that it was it was really intimidating.

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And then it obviously helped a lot when we brought that on to the team, because now all

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of a sudden we've got an expert who's done a lot of this kind of stuff before.

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So it's like, OK, we've got our person now who can really help us to make this make this

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a reality.

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And then I was really involved with a lot of the coordinating side of things because

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I love to annoy people by email.

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That's kind of my passion.

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So I was reaching out to all the different folks who we were going to get to film with.

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But then another big component of this course was reaching out to landowners and then also

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people working at state agencies to kind of talk with them and have these hour long discussions

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where we get their input about what they wanted out of the course, because I think a mistake

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that a lot of people make sometimes is they develop a course based on what they think

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is best for the course without actually speaking to the people who would be taking that course

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and getting an understanding of what they're expecting out of the course.

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So we made a lot of significant changes to how we plan things out.

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I think, eight to 10 landowners and then folks who are working for state agencies.

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So that was a big component of how I was involved.

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And I definitely want to give those eight to 10 individuals a shout out for making the

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time to have those conversations with us, because that was hugely beneficial into kind

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of how we shaped and formed the course.

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So, and you said when, so basically before we started recording anything during the planning

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process, you had these, I guess, conversations with people and those were private landowners

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or managers and also state agency practitioners.

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And, you know, the whole point was to see what do they want the course to contain, which

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topics are important, which topics are something that aren't very important to them.

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And I can remember, you know, we, our initial vision, the course was essentially twice as

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long as what got cut.

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And it was because of that feedback, like basically those people that we wanted, you

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know, we wanted this to be a resource that would help people in any situation that they

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might be in as a manager.

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So whether that be a private landowner that, you know, has been managing their property

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for turkeys, but needs, you know, some advanced direction and how to do that better or state

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agency, you know, that they're managing WMAs or working with private landowners.

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Did you have any other groups represented in that or?

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So the initial course, the one that's live now was really based on that feedback.

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We kind of whittled it down to this 10, 11-hour course that has field management, food plots,

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forest management, forest stand improvement, prescribed burning, predator management tactics.

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We also had, one of the things I'm most excited about and still am and have learned even myself

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from was having our expert managers that go and work with landowners all over the place.

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So we had those case studies.

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And that's, if I can jump in real quick, Marcus, that was one of the big things that we got

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from those conversations was how much people wanted direct examples that they could really

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take from.

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And that's why we really incorporated those three case studies and made such an emphasis

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out of that because that's what they talked about a lot in their previous experience going

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through courses online was struggling to understand directly how to apply some of what they've

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learned.

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And they're like, if we have specific examples that show, okay, this is what the land looked

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like before.

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This is what the land looked like after by doing these steps.

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That's where we're going to get the most out of a course.

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So and that's what the case studies and we did, we ended up doing three, which I guess

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originally I was going to do one, but we decided to get Craig Harper, who has worked with landowners

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all over the nation.

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He's known for that.

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We got Dwayne Elmore also very experienced and especially in the Midwest.

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Then we got Will Goolsbee.

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And since he's not here, I'll say something kind about him, but I would never do this

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if he was on here with us.

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You know, like he works with landowners all the time, is very knowledgeable about that,

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especially in the southeastern U.S., you know, and he and I sometimes even do that

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together.

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So I knew those guys have tons of experience in different contexts, making management plans

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for private landowners, and they would have some really good examples to kind of lay out

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all of the things that we're talking about in the course and then put them into a context

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where they show how they applied all those things and then how the landscape changed

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over time.

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But ultimately, what did that mean for turkeys?

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How did it change the amount of turkeys and the hunting experience and huntability of

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the property and that sort of thing?

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And I just I found that so valuable, even for me, you know, like I do this for a living

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and have been for a long time and go work with private landowners constantly helping

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them do this.

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And I still gained a lot from it.

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So I think, you know, that was something I was really excited about when we were about

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to launch, you know, because I had to go through it in kind of with a fine tooth comb as well.

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And, you know, I just learned a lot from it.

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I was like, man, this this is pretty powerful stuff.

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So I'm glad you guys were in the, you know, in the wheelhouse making it crank, so to speak,

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and still are.

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So we'll link the course if you haven't had a chance to take it.

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We'll link it for you.

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But we know a lot of people have taken it.

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And the feedback.

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I mean, Zach, you're you're you're the one tracking all this.

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I mean, the feedback so far has been pretty stellar, I would say.

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People people seem to be really benefiting from the course and really appreciative that

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this is available because, you know, before this, like it was kind of hard to define resources

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if you were looking for some additional support in terms of learning more about how you can

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manage your land for wild turkeys.

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Yeah, there's just some some stupid podcast.

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But other than yeah, people are tired to listen to you and will you will all the time.

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So they're like, we need something else.

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So we had to get these other experts in here to give them some extra information.

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and this came from listener feedback and and, you know, viewer feedback for the game lab.

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People were asking for more and more and more and it's like, man, we just like the more

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podcasting we do, the more people want more and the more we put, you know, do these informational

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videos and things online, the more people want and people are asking for it.

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And that's why we did it.

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We got like a ton of questions on social media.

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I remember like when I first started, like between Facebook and Instagram and YouTube,

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like we just couldn't keep up with everything and we needed like something that was like

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a centralized form of information.

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Well, and I also, you know, from my viewpoint, I commonly work on habitat management and

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all these different sectors, but I also know that we have a bunch of experts out there

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that are the best there is.

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And that, you know, I have a good relationship with those people and, you know, the habitat,

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the people that specialize on habitat, there's a relatively small community in academia,

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especially when you narrow it down to game species and even more so when you narrow it

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down to turkeys.

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And, you know, that was really what I thought.

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This shouldn't just be me or even a small group of folks from UF.

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We need to go and try to get the who's who, so to speak, of the game habitat management

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world and, you know, that's what ended up happening.

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Everybody we asked to do it dissipated.

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So, you know, it's pretty cool.

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And just, I guess, to add to that, to the part that gets complicated is all these experts,

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you know, have a lot of other undertakings and involved in a lot of different stuff.

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So trying to lasso them up to sit down just to record for two or three hours is a lot

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more difficult than than you might think.

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So kind of planning this out, especially since we're traveling to different locations across

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the country was a little complicated.

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Well, I was going to ask you about that.

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I kind of wanted to go there because a lot of people say the product at the end, but

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there also has been interest in how, I guess, the making.

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So this is about the making of the course.

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So you guys, particularly the two of you, and I did it once or twice, and then maybe

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some other people traveled once or twice even, but you two were doing the majority of traveling

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and you were actually going to the speaker.

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They're like, you went to Auburn to talk to Will, right?

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Or film him.

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We didn't want to, but we did.

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We did everything we could to try to get him to come somewhere else and he would not do

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Even when he did come somewhere else, he still wouldn't film me.

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Had to go all the way to Auburn.

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We were all in the same place.

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Before that, we could have done it then.

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We did.

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We did.

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We had the best meals of our lives when we went to Auburn.

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I was going to say the same thing.

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I was like, we did have very nice food in Auburn.

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So it worked out.

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That's a good recommendation.

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Okay.

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So where all did you go?

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We went to Auburn.

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We went to Mississippi State.

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We went to Tennessee.

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Me and you did, Marcus.

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We went to Oklahoma State.

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We went to Quincy, Florida.

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We went to, oh gosh, how do you say Duane's?

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I don't know.

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He said it for us.

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And I was like, oh man, I'm not going to remember that.

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It's like Jockin, Jockin, Jockin, Georgia, something like that.

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If you're from Jockin, Georgia, leave us a comment.

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Oh man.

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Well, Duane's going to leave a comment and be like, I told you, Zach, how to say it and

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you forgot, you big dummy.

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Actually, we went to Tennessee twice because we went the one time I went with him.

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So we were actually in Tennessee twice.

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You mean the convention and then we went back to Craig.

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Yeah.

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We filmed there twice.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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So I want both of you to answer this.

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Since you brought up food, where did you have the best meal?

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And I want each of you to answer that because I know you didn't both go to every location.

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I'm actually curious to hear what Zach has to say.

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Oh, see, you shouldn't, you shouldn't say that because you actually missed out on the

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best meal.

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We went to Craig's, Craig made us like, I think so too, he makes like a 10 course meal.

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Like there was so many parts where I was like, well, that's gotta be the end of it.

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And then he'd bring out even more delicious stuff and like, oh man, like I'm the kind

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of person who I can eat for days.

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So like he just kept bringing more stuff and I was like, no, I just keep this stuff coming.

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This is incredible.

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Like we had, we had tuna, we had deer, we had turkey.

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But it wasn't just deer, it was coos deer.

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Yeah.

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It was like very like rare once in a lifetime kind of deer, you're like, this is awesome.

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These giant tuna steaks, we had chocolate cake.

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Oh my God.

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I still think about that meal every once in a while.

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Did he have, he had turkey strips that he grilled in that too, didn't he?

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Yeah.

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Oh man, they were.

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So yeah, there were so many different things.

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That was really good.

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I'm very sad.

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I missed that.

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On like my American food journey, I feel like that would have been.

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Oh, that was homemade too.

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And when Mr. Issa starts making stuff, I mean, whatever it is, that's the best version you've

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ever had of it.

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Very sad I missed that.

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What is the name of the restaurants in Auburn?

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Because I think like, as far, we ate so much takeout, oh my word.

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I remember Zach and I even said to each other, we were like, we like just never want to see

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takeout again because we're just on the road all the time.

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Like takeout and hotel breakfast buffet food.

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Yeah.

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What was the name of that place in Auburn?

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Because I actually think that was the Nass' takeout.

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Gosh, I wish I could remember.

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It's in my notes somewhere because yeah, I remember Will gave us the two recommendations.

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It's like this little boutique restaurant.

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You guys need to remember because they promised us a kickback if we put people on it.

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I'm just kidding.

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Yeah.

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So that food was really good.

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What did you eat?

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Like what kind of food was it?

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It was just like a toasted sandwich and I had tomato soup with mine.

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It was very basic, but it was delicious.

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It was like a bacon jam toasted cheese thing.

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Was it called Acre?

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Was Acre the name?

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I think it was Acre.

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Acre is a well-known establishment in Auburn that sounds like it.

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You know, fun fact, I was visiting with a landowner in Alabama, not that county, other

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side of the state, but he had smoked turkey for me, just for supper when I came to visit.

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And he had some barbecue sauce from Acre or whatever the full name is.

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And it was like, man, that was so good.

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The turkey plus the sauce from there, it was very good stuff.

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It really was delicious.

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And I'm glad we were in such a rush that day.

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I'm so glad we waited for the food because we needed to get on the road because we were

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driving back to Florida and we called the order in and it was worth the wait.

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It was virtually good.

328
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Yeah.

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Their fried okras.

330
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Yes.

331
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That was the first time I ever had okra and it was nuts.

332
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Oh, was it like the barbecue okra?

333
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No, it was just like normal fried okra, but it was, oh, it was heavy.

334
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Yeah.

335
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I love okra of all kinds.

336
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Yeah.

337
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Oof.

338
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Good stuff.

339
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Yeah.

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Well, what about, uh, in terms of your interactions with everybody, like, did you have any funny

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interactions when you were filming the Habitat stuff?

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So many.

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All the bloopers I edited out were just, I would, every now and then I would just laugh

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and be like, oh, I forgot.

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I forgot that this was actually, especially you two, when we were filming here at UF,

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like listening to your bloopers.

347
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It was you and Zach together because you just like play off each other's energy.

348
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And then the one starts laughing and the other one starts laughing and then it just takes

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us like 15 minutes to get started.

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To get five seconds of good footage.

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That's funny.

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Wait, maybe we can do a blooper reel from the game lab.

353
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I don't know if we can air the bloopers from that day.

354
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I don't know if we can air that.

355
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It'll just end up being a whole turkey gobble.

356
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Yeah, it's pretty much.

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What I guess when you were filming with people, was there, were there any other like funny

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interactions where like people just kept having bloopers or like you had equipment malfunctions

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or, you know, what kinds of things were happening like that?

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There was one.

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I mean, you were there for Marcus, like when we were filming with Craig and I think it

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was like we were like three hours in at this point.

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So like, I totally understand, but like he was starting to lose his voice and you could

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tell it was like making him more angry, like he was getting mad at himself that he was

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just listening to his voice.

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So he kept trying to like drink more water and like miraculously get his voice back,

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but like it wasn't happening.

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So I think we just like took a break for an hour and like had lunch and then got back

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into it afterwards and it was fine.

370
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:50,960
But you could tell on his face, he was like, man, I'm so annoyed with this right now.

371
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Yes.

372
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Yeah, it was pretty intense.

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So I think quite a few people for this one, well, quite a few people contributed two modules.

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So there's at least two hours roughly for each person.

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Some of those, if you've taken the course, you didn't see the person twice because they

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also did a module that they're contributing to the other course that's in development

377
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currently.

378
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Right.

379
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So but yeah, I remember with Craig, you know, anybody that's gone through this has seen

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both of those, but he started getting that dry throat, which I guess maybe it was because

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there's, you know, the humidity was low enough to burn.

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And we know that because Zach and I ended up doing a bunch of prescribed burning while

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we were up there.

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So that was pretty cool.

385
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Yeah, that was you also played a good joke on me that day, too.

386
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You tricked me.

387
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:58,240
We were I was trying to get all this cool footage of Marcus burning stuff.

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And like I'm locked in on getting this like really high quality footage.

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And Marcus is like, man, the fire is moving so slow right now that if you zoom in right

390
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:10,080
there, Zach, you can see this caterpillar that's outpacing the fire.

391
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And I'm like zooming in desperately trying to find this.

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It's like, where's the caterpillar?

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I was like, I want to get this caterpillar running away from the fire.

394
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,800
And Marcus is like, there's no, there's no caterpillar, Zach.

395
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Like I'm just messing with you.

396
00:25:23,360 --> 00:25:24,360
That's so funny.

397
00:25:24,360 --> 00:25:25,360
That was hilarious.

398
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I hope you still have that footage somewhere.

399
00:25:29,740 --> 00:25:30,740
Oh, we've got it.

400
00:25:30,740 --> 00:25:34,140
Oh, if you had told me to, I would have still been looking for that caterpillar.

401
00:25:34,140 --> 00:25:36,860
I was sure it was there.

402
00:25:36,860 --> 00:25:43,460
I was filming him when I told him that and then he's like, you know, trying to or no,

403
00:25:43,460 --> 00:25:44,460
you were filming.

404
00:25:44,460 --> 00:25:45,460
Yeah, I was filming it.

405
00:25:45,460 --> 00:25:46,460
You were filming.

406
00:25:46,460 --> 00:25:50,460
And I said that to him and he's like, looking around for this caterpillar.

407
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And then finally, I'm like, there's not a caterpillar.

408
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:58,340
But I was trying to emphasize how slow the fire was moving.

409
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I mean, you know, we're burning up on hardwoods and we were using firing techniques that,

410
00:26:03,140 --> 00:26:06,860
you know, they're definitely not going to damage the overstory.

411
00:26:06,860 --> 00:26:07,860
And that's the whole point.

412
00:26:07,860 --> 00:26:08,860
Right.

413
00:26:08,860 --> 00:26:16,280
And I was trying to emphasize that, but, you know, Zach jumped on it, hook, line, sinker.

414
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:23,520
So yeah, we have some, some cool video that we were, we have a couple of how to burn burning

415
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:28,740
videos for burning and up on hardwoods that we're working on to put on YouTube from that.

416
00:26:28,740 --> 00:26:33,180
And I think people, you know, I get a lot of questions about burning and up on hardwoods.

417
00:26:33,180 --> 00:26:37,620
So kind of, you know, and so does Craig.

418
00:26:37,620 --> 00:26:44,500
So it motivated us while we were burning to cut some good footage and talk through what

419
00:26:44,500 --> 00:26:49,980
we're doing strategically, what kind of conditions we're burning in and, and what the firing

420
00:26:49,980 --> 00:26:56,380
techniques are to make sure that, you know, we're, we're not putting overstory trees in

421
00:26:56,380 --> 00:27:00,680
danger and also accomplishing our objective with, with the burn.

422
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,020
So, but yeah, I forgot about that.

423
00:27:03,020 --> 00:27:06,420
That was hilarious.

424
00:27:06,420 --> 00:27:10,820
So also a really great experience for you to, you know, to get some prescribed burning

425
00:27:10,820 --> 00:27:13,620
experience in that, that system.

426
00:27:13,620 --> 00:27:15,980
So pretty good.

427
00:27:15,980 --> 00:27:22,260
I think we may have used some of the B-roll in the, the, the course when, you know, that

428
00:27:22,260 --> 00:27:27,340
was primarily your role when you were doing the editing.

429
00:27:27,340 --> 00:27:32,580
I think that's another valuable thing that's unique about the course is it's not just filming

430
00:27:32,580 --> 00:27:36,860
folks sitting around a computer doing a presentation.

431
00:27:36,860 --> 00:27:41,180
There's some footage related to that and you see slides that they're using to emphasize

432
00:27:41,180 --> 00:27:47,700
points, but you're also using footage that, you know, you took in the field or that they

433
00:27:47,700 --> 00:27:54,180
took in the field to kind of show people what they're talking about at a given point in

434
00:27:54,180 --> 00:27:55,180
the, in the presentation.

435
00:27:55,180 --> 00:27:56,180
Yeah.

436
00:27:56,180 --> 00:28:00,420
And I think that it's because it's footage that we took or that other people have taken

437
00:28:00,420 --> 00:28:01,420
in the field.

438
00:28:01,420 --> 00:28:04,180
Like it's, it's not necessarily stock footage.

439
00:28:04,180 --> 00:28:09,860
It's like real life practical footage is what also makes the course so valuable.

440
00:28:09,860 --> 00:28:10,860
Yeah.

441
00:28:10,860 --> 00:28:15,340
So you can visualize some of the things that people were talking about.

442
00:28:15,340 --> 00:28:16,820
So really cool.

443
00:28:16,820 --> 00:28:17,820
Yeah.

444
00:28:17,820 --> 00:28:22,620
It might be worth just describing like what the like setup looked like for a lot of these

445
00:28:22,620 --> 00:28:23,620
sessions too.

446
00:28:23,620 --> 00:28:27,820
When we were filming this like that, I don't know if you want to touch about touch on all

447
00:28:27,820 --> 00:28:29,140
the equipment that we needed.

448
00:28:29,140 --> 00:28:32,420
Cause we'd walk into a room sometimes to film with somebody and they'd be like, you guys

449
00:28:32,420 --> 00:28:36,420
brought all this, like they were getting ready for us to like put makeup on and stuff.

450
00:28:36,420 --> 00:28:40,660
They're like, man, this is some like Hollywood stuff right here.

451
00:28:40,660 --> 00:28:41,660
Yeah.

452
00:28:41,660 --> 00:28:42,660
Yeah.

453
00:28:42,660 --> 00:28:50,940
Craig did not want to wear the blush like he's like, this is a hard no, guys.

454
00:28:50,940 --> 00:28:52,100
Yeah.

455
00:28:52,100 --> 00:28:55,900
I think a lot of people weren't expecting that kind of set up.

456
00:28:55,900 --> 00:28:59,060
Almost every single time when they walked in there, they were like, Whoa, when they

457
00:28:59,060 --> 00:29:04,620
like saw the lights and the camera and like the microphone, it's like, I just got a little

458
00:29:04,620 --> 00:29:05,620
bit nervous.

459
00:29:05,620 --> 00:29:07,620
Like, I don't know what's going on here.

460
00:29:07,620 --> 00:29:08,620
Yeah.

461
00:29:08,620 --> 00:29:09,620
Exactly.

462
00:29:09,620 --> 00:29:10,620
Yeah.

463
00:29:10,620 --> 00:29:12,100
We, we'd have like a lighting setup.

464
00:29:12,100 --> 00:29:17,740
We had our camera, tripods, microphones, and we traveled with all this stuff as well.

465
00:29:17,740 --> 00:29:23,100
So I mean, I was there to help, but poor Zach was actually carrying like.

466
00:29:23,100 --> 00:29:28,300
You want to tell the NWTF one dot?

467
00:29:28,300 --> 00:29:29,300
That's exactly what I thought of.

468
00:29:29,300 --> 00:29:31,020
That's why I laughed.

469
00:29:31,020 --> 00:29:39,540
So we, we go to NWTF and the convention in Nashville, sorry, the convention in Nashville.

470
00:29:39,540 --> 00:29:44,740
And we were filming with some guests there and we get there and we drove, we drove up

471
00:29:44,740 --> 00:29:45,740
there.

472
00:29:45,740 --> 00:29:53,380
So we are busy unloading the car and we asked the bell door person, can they help us like

473
00:29:53,380 --> 00:29:54,380
with the equipment?

474
00:29:54,380 --> 00:29:55,380
And they're like, sure.

475
00:29:55,380 --> 00:29:56,380
It's $25.

476
00:29:56,380 --> 00:30:03,500
If you're with a convention, it's $25 to like, help you take it down to whatever you need.

477
00:30:03,500 --> 00:30:09,660
And me being the cheapskate that I am, I was like, $25, we're not going to, we can just

478
00:30:09,660 --> 00:30:10,660
carry this stuff.

479
00:30:10,660 --> 00:30:16,580
And I'm pretty sure Zach was standing there like, let's just put $25, and I was like,

480
00:30:16,580 --> 00:30:17,580
we can do this.

481
00:30:17,580 --> 00:30:18,580
We can carry it.

482
00:30:18,580 --> 00:30:21,700
So I made us carry all this equipment.

483
00:30:21,700 --> 00:30:28,100
I wish someone took a video of us, but yeah, we carried the C stands, the lights, the soft

484
00:30:28,100 --> 00:30:34,160
boxes, cameras, tripods, a very far distance.

485
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,820
These big Pelican cases and stuff.

486
00:30:36,820 --> 00:30:39,380
This was before we had the Pelican cases.

487
00:30:39,380 --> 00:30:48,020
So since we got the Pelican cases, just carry around these giant, like what almost looks

488
00:30:48,020 --> 00:30:51,460
like like the bar you use when you're bench pressing.

489
00:30:51,460 --> 00:30:56,820
Like I'm carrying those around like this luxury hotel.

490
00:30:56,820 --> 00:31:01,220
And the funny part was like this guy who was super nice was basically like, Hey, like there's

491
00:31:01,220 --> 00:31:05,380
a shortcut if I like take you to the side of the hotel, like that'll get you real quick

492
00:31:05,380 --> 00:31:06,380
to the convention.

493
00:31:06,380 --> 00:31:07,740
We're like, Oh heck yeah.

494
00:31:07,740 --> 00:31:09,620
Like just, just shuttle us over there.

495
00:31:09,620 --> 00:31:13,180
So he drops us off and we go through the side entrance and we're like, wait a second.

496
00:31:13,180 --> 00:31:16,260
I don't think this, this is a shortcut.

497
00:31:16,260 --> 00:31:20,180
And it actually took us to like a lower area where we had to carry everything up, like

498
00:31:20,180 --> 00:31:23,340
all these flights of stairs.

499
00:31:23,340 --> 00:31:24,860
It was not a shortcut.

500
00:31:24,860 --> 00:31:25,860
No.

501
00:31:25,860 --> 00:31:26,860
Yeah.

502
00:31:26,860 --> 00:31:27,860
Oh man.

503
00:31:27,860 --> 00:31:30,820
But yeah, we look so goofy carrying all this equipment and everything was like banging

504
00:31:30,820 --> 00:31:33,620
against the walls and like, Oh my God.

505
00:31:33,620 --> 00:31:37,220
Like by the time we finally got it set up, we were like drenched in sweat.

506
00:31:37,220 --> 00:31:38,220
Yeah.

507
00:31:38,220 --> 00:31:39,780
We were, we were pretty tired.

508
00:31:39,780 --> 00:31:41,860
So there was a, it was quite a setup.

509
00:31:41,860 --> 00:31:46,460
There was a lot of equipment and it went everywhere with us.

510
00:31:46,460 --> 00:31:50,140
I was very happy when we got, and I'm sure Zach was too, when we got our big Pelican

511
00:31:50,140 --> 00:31:51,140
case.

512
00:31:51,140 --> 00:31:52,140
Yes.

513
00:31:52,140 --> 00:31:54,340
It made things a lot easier.

514
00:31:54,340 --> 00:31:55,340
Yeah.

515
00:31:55,340 --> 00:32:00,780
And it was, it was also nice, you know, the convention is a gathering place, I guess,

516
00:32:00,780 --> 00:32:04,140
for a lot of the folks that we wanted to record.

517
00:32:04,140 --> 00:32:11,200
And also the guys that, you know, with NWTF had some rooms set aside and they let us use,

518
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:17,140
you know, one of their recording studios that they, or I guess just a recording room that,

519
00:32:17,140 --> 00:32:20,060
that we made into a studio with the stuff.

520
00:32:20,060 --> 00:32:27,420
And you know, it was nice kind of having that, that opportunity to record.

521
00:32:27,420 --> 00:32:32,420
So and then I was thinking back, a lot of the people that we recorded there are actually

522
00:32:32,420 --> 00:32:36,620
going to be contributing modules to the other course, right?

523
00:32:36,620 --> 00:32:42,460
So I think that would be one thing we, we have up till now, largely been talking about

524
00:32:42,460 --> 00:32:46,900
the Habitat course that's already live that people can sign up for right now, but we have

525
00:32:46,900 --> 00:32:54,020
another course that's complimentary that we already have recorded the footage for.

526
00:32:54,020 --> 00:32:58,380
So can you guys talk about, you know, what, what's the difference in them?

527
00:32:58,380 --> 00:33:02,220
What's what are you going to have in that course?

528
00:33:02,220 --> 00:33:06,880
So the other course is going to get in a lot of ways into some of the historical side of

529
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:13,260
things a lot more into the actual like hunting approaches side of things.

530
00:33:13,260 --> 00:33:18,060
I'll be in the other course talking about human dimensions, if anybody cares about that,

531
00:33:18,060 --> 00:33:20,180
get excited.

532
00:33:20,180 --> 00:33:26,220
So yeah, it's coming at things from more of like an introductory kind of standpoint.

533
00:33:26,220 --> 00:33:31,060
Like if you're getting started in the Turkey world, like this course is a little bit more

534
00:33:31,060 --> 00:33:36,620
geared towards you, whereas the course that's live now is more geared towards, you know,

535
00:33:36,620 --> 00:33:40,060
people who are looking for those tips who are already managing their land and trying

536
00:33:40,060 --> 00:33:45,220
to make improvements to really get more turkeys on their land.

537
00:33:45,220 --> 00:33:49,500
Yeah I think the one we have out now is very like hands on practical.

538
00:33:49,500 --> 00:33:52,780
Like if you want to get started, this is what you need.

539
00:33:52,780 --> 00:33:56,860
And then the second course is, as you as you said, Zach, complimentary, right?

540
00:33:56,860 --> 00:34:02,620
So if the first one really interested you and you want more and you want to dive a little

541
00:34:02,620 --> 00:34:07,060
bit deeper, yeah, that's what the second course is.

542
00:34:07,060 --> 00:34:15,640
Yeah, so with the second one, I think that was a great way to describe it.

543
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:22,260
I don't know that I would necessarily say it's introductory overall, but it has like

544
00:34:22,260 --> 00:34:28,220
the history of wild turkeys, like what happened with wild turkeys, the history of the restoration

545
00:34:28,220 --> 00:34:35,100
efforts we even, I was trying to think, cause I think I was there while we were recording.

546
00:34:35,100 --> 00:34:37,740
So who, do you guys want to?

547
00:34:37,740 --> 00:34:40,120
Is David Hawley.

548
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,240
So David Hawley was one of them.

549
00:34:42,240 --> 00:34:46,340
So he's from Mossy Oak and he and I grew up in the same town.

550
00:34:46,340 --> 00:34:47,660
I don't even know if you guys knew that.

551
00:34:47,660 --> 00:34:48,660
Did we talk about that?

552
00:34:48,660 --> 00:34:49,660
Yeah, we did.

553
00:34:49,660 --> 00:34:50,660
Yeah, you did mention that.

554
00:34:50,660 --> 00:34:54,020
Yeah, we were a little bit of an age gap, I'm a little older than he is, but we knew

555
00:34:54,020 --> 00:35:00,660
each other well and you know, we've, we've all, our families have always known each other.

556
00:35:00,660 --> 00:35:07,940
But yeah, so he talks some about the history and also about hunting tactics and goes through,

557
00:35:07,940 --> 00:35:13,260
you know, and I think he even, he may have brought up the story to you guys, but when

558
00:35:13,260 --> 00:35:20,660
he was, I think he was 13 or 14 years old, he went on to, what was it?

559
00:35:20,660 --> 00:35:21,660
The Tonight Show.

560
00:35:21,660 --> 00:35:23,060
I think it was David Letterman.

561
00:35:23,060 --> 00:35:24,060
Yeah.

562
00:35:24,060 --> 00:35:25,060
David Letterman.

563
00:35:25,060 --> 00:35:31,260
So yeah, he went on that show to showcase calling, you know, even at that young age.

564
00:35:31,260 --> 00:35:37,180
So it's like just to me, one of those people that's just really gifted, you know, and I'm

565
00:35:37,180 --> 00:35:42,700
sure a lot of that came from practice and his, his intense passion for wild turkeys.

566
00:35:42,700 --> 00:35:46,860
But we wanted to try to capture some of that knowledge and energy from him.

567
00:35:46,860 --> 00:35:51,300
And he, he was more than happy to jump on and, and help us.

568
00:35:51,300 --> 00:35:55,220
And he was one of them that recorded there, but who else did you record there?

569
00:35:55,220 --> 00:35:56,220
It was Brent.

570
00:35:56,220 --> 00:35:57,220
Yeah.

571
00:35:57,220 --> 00:35:58,220
Brent Rogers.

572
00:35:58,220 --> 00:35:59,220
Yeah.

573
00:35:59,220 --> 00:36:07,020
So, so Gobble Gitter, I think is what he goes by online.

574
00:36:07,020 --> 00:36:12,780
So Brent, you know, is one of those people that is just passionate about wild turkeys

575
00:36:12,780 --> 00:36:20,260
and he's kind of a, I don't want to say amateur because he's so good at it, but he's like

576
00:36:20,260 --> 00:36:23,620
a historian, but that's not his profession, what I mean.

577
00:36:23,620 --> 00:36:24,620
Yeah.

578
00:36:24,620 --> 00:36:27,660
It was like, I was so surprised when he was like, oh, this is just kind of like a hobby

579
00:36:27,660 --> 00:36:28,660
that I do.

580
00:36:28,660 --> 00:36:30,020
I actually like have another job.

581
00:36:30,020 --> 00:36:32,620
I was like, oh, you're.

582
00:36:32,620 --> 00:36:41,260
He has all this awesome, like historical stuff that he's collected, just like writings and,

583
00:36:41,260 --> 00:36:46,080
you know, different objects and things from all this era and, and, you know, hearing him

584
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:52,820
talk through the history of all turkeys is pretty, pretty incredible.

585
00:36:52,820 --> 00:36:55,020
So yeah.

586
00:36:55,020 --> 00:36:57,860
But we also have other parts of it.

587
00:36:57,860 --> 00:37:03,420
Like we have some things about the biology of turkeys and ecology of turkeys that are

588
00:37:03,420 --> 00:37:10,180
going to go into this course, you know, that are, you know, just things that are important

589
00:37:10,180 --> 00:37:13,820
to understand and interesting to know about turkeys.

590
00:37:13,820 --> 00:37:20,780
You know, the, the role that hunting has played in the conservation of the species, just basic,

591
00:37:20,780 --> 00:37:30,500
more basic biological things like, you know, the mating system and, and population of related

592
00:37:30,500 --> 00:37:36,780
things, you know, things related to their physiology, what, what other, what am I missing

593
00:37:36,780 --> 00:37:37,780
in here?

594
00:37:37,780 --> 00:37:39,860
What, what else is going to go into that course?

595
00:37:39,860 --> 00:37:40,860
Yeah.

596
00:37:40,860 --> 00:37:46,140
And did you mention like the, going through the different subspecies, cause yeah, Brandon

597
00:37:46,140 --> 00:37:48,820
are contributing that.

598
00:37:48,820 --> 00:37:53,500
Two of our PhD students that are working on wild turkeys and doing, helping us a lot with

599
00:37:53,500 --> 00:38:02,860
the extension here, put together some, some subspecies profiles and talked about that.

600
00:38:02,860 --> 00:38:03,860
Yeah.

601
00:38:03,860 --> 00:38:13,500
So, you know, I, I think it's pretty cool to have this, you know, the idea, I guess,

602
00:38:13,500 --> 00:38:21,260
was to be completely comprehensive, but also not have it be 40 hours long.

603
00:38:21,260 --> 00:38:26,780
So we split it and that's kind of the, how we decided to split it was, and that was based

604
00:38:26,780 --> 00:38:30,460
on that feedback you were talking about, Zach, from, from folks.

605
00:38:30,460 --> 00:38:34,020
They really wanted it to be management centric.

606
00:38:34,020 --> 00:38:38,460
And we, so we split it to have one that's really management centric and one that's more

607
00:38:38,460 --> 00:38:45,820
geared toward understanding how, you know, the history of turkeys, the importance of

608
00:38:45,820 --> 00:38:49,220
hunters, the funding model.

609
00:38:49,220 --> 00:38:50,820
That was another thing that's in there.

610
00:38:50,820 --> 00:38:56,260
Like how are we funding conservation, the role that hunters are playing in that.

611
00:38:56,260 --> 00:38:59,980
Hunting 101, like, what do you need to go hunting?

612
00:38:59,980 --> 00:39:06,860
Here's some strategy and tactics and, and how to, to use calls and that sort of thing.

613
00:39:06,860 --> 00:39:10,220
So, you know, very complimentary forces.

614
00:39:10,220 --> 00:39:11,220
Yeah.

615
00:39:11,220 --> 00:39:18,100
So I know when, uh, when we were filming Brent, I was in there watching and it was just like

616
00:39:18,100 --> 00:39:23,140
one thing after another, after another, like he was just saying stuff and I was like, as

617
00:39:23,140 --> 00:39:29,700
an enthusiast, I was glued to it, you know, and he, uh, he's done a couple of really cool

618
00:39:29,700 --> 00:39:30,700
works recently.

619
00:39:30,700 --> 00:39:36,500
He, he did some work with mossy oak, you know, that, uh, people have seen with some of the

620
00:39:36,500 --> 00:39:41,580
historical things they've been doing and yeah, just so knowledgeable about all that.

621
00:39:41,580 --> 00:39:42,580
Yeah.

622
00:39:42,580 --> 00:39:44,740
His section of the course was really super interesting.

623
00:39:44,740 --> 00:39:49,820
I mean, as someone like who didn't really know anything about turkeys, it was really

624
00:39:49,820 --> 00:39:54,100
cool to learn all that about turkeys, um, from him.

625
00:39:54,100 --> 00:39:56,900
It was very engaging and interesting.

626
00:39:56,900 --> 00:40:00,860
I'm excited to put that out in part two.

627
00:40:00,860 --> 00:40:01,860
Yeah.

628
00:40:01,860 --> 00:40:07,420
I got a lot out of both his and David's and we also learned about David's secret talent

629
00:40:07,420 --> 00:40:10,740
where he's actually one of the best impersonators on the planet.

630
00:40:10,740 --> 00:40:15,420
He was doing some impersonations that were better than some people in Hollywood.

631
00:40:15,420 --> 00:40:16,420
I was like, wow.

632
00:40:16,420 --> 00:40:19,160
It was so fun to film with him.

633
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:23,900
He was doing David Attenborough and it was like, David was like in the room with us.

634
00:40:23,900 --> 00:40:24,900
Yeah.

635
00:40:24,900 --> 00:40:25,900
That was crazy.

636
00:40:25,900 --> 00:40:31,540
I didn't even know that, you know, even though I, I grew up in the same town with him, uh,

637
00:40:31,540 --> 00:40:34,340
I didn't know that he was that, that skilled.

638
00:40:34,340 --> 00:40:35,340
Yeah.

639
00:40:35,340 --> 00:40:39,300
He had all of us laughing.

640
00:40:39,300 --> 00:40:40,300
Yeah.

641
00:40:40,300 --> 00:40:41,300
Yeah.

642
00:40:41,300 --> 00:40:45,780
So who, who else is contributing to that?

643
00:40:45,780 --> 00:40:52,060
That course, I know, I think I'm going to have, uh, a contribution in it.

644
00:40:52,060 --> 00:40:56,540
And did Carolina Baruzzi also, Carolina and Colter as well.

645
00:40:56,540 --> 00:41:03,780
I think Colter has one in there, Colter Chitwood and then Mark McConnell has one in there,

646
00:41:03,780 --> 00:41:04,780
right?

647
00:41:04,780 --> 00:41:05,780
Yup.

648
00:41:05,780 --> 00:41:07,540
So we also had Mark Turner, but it took me a minute.

649
00:41:07,540 --> 00:41:13,300
I think Mark Turner's contributions are both in the habitat or the management centric one.

650
00:41:13,300 --> 00:41:14,300
Yup.

651
00:41:14,300 --> 00:41:23,060
So, yeah, really cool and, uh, really awesome to watch it develop and come to fruition and

652
00:41:23,060 --> 00:41:27,380
now to be getting feedback on it, you know, with the first one, at least.

653
00:41:27,380 --> 00:41:32,700
So, yeah, that was really cool to, to watch this all come and I appreciate all the hard

654
00:41:32,700 --> 00:41:33,700
work from you guys.

655
00:41:33,700 --> 00:41:38,180
I think a lot of people out there do, so it's, it's nice to, to give you guys a platform

656
00:41:38,180 --> 00:41:39,700
to talk about that experience.

657
00:41:39,700 --> 00:41:43,100
Yeah, it was, it was really fun, um, doing it.

658
00:41:43,100 --> 00:41:47,580
Like if I look back on it and reflect on it, it was really cool experience.

659
00:41:47,580 --> 00:41:51,380
And it's actually crazy to think that we did all the filming in like two months.

660
00:41:51,380 --> 00:41:55,220
Cause I remember like we were talking about it in December and it was like, yo, we're

661
00:41:55,220 --> 00:41:56,460
going to do this and this and this.

662
00:41:56,460 --> 00:42:00,820
And I'm like, okay, but January is next month.

663
00:42:00,820 --> 00:42:05,580
And January came and it's like, okay, you guys are flying here, driving here.

664
00:42:05,580 --> 00:42:06,580
And we did it.

665
00:42:06,580 --> 00:42:09,860
We got it done in like two months, the filming.

666
00:42:09,860 --> 00:42:10,860
And then we edited it.

667
00:42:10,860 --> 00:42:14,420
And yeah, I think we, we made a really cool thing.

668
00:42:14,420 --> 00:42:15,420
Yeah.

669
00:42:15,420 --> 00:42:16,420
Yeah.

670
00:42:16,420 --> 00:42:19,780
We, we had some big time assist from people along the way.

671
00:42:19,780 --> 00:42:25,380
Like there's a lot of folks were super appreciative to like your buddy, Chris, Mark Marcus, um,

672
00:42:25,380 --> 00:42:28,300
he was super kind to us, him and his entire family.

673
00:42:28,300 --> 00:42:31,460
Um, they did a ton of stuff for us while we were out there.

674
00:42:31,460 --> 00:42:35,100
We got to go hunting on their property, which was really, really cool.

675
00:42:35,100 --> 00:42:40,060
Um, and then obviously Craig, um, let us stay over there and made us delicious meals.

676
00:42:40,060 --> 00:42:47,220
Um, there was just a lot of, yeah, and David gave both of us, um, a call, which was really

677
00:42:47,220 --> 00:42:48,220
cool as well.

678
00:42:48,220 --> 00:42:53,220
Um, so yeah, there's just so many moments that I look back on and I'm like, wow, I really

679
00:42:53,220 --> 00:42:58,260
appreciate, um, that we had this opportunity and that people were willing to step up and

680
00:42:58,260 --> 00:43:01,100
help us and do so many kind things for us.

681
00:43:01,100 --> 00:43:02,100
Yeah.

682
00:43:02,100 --> 00:43:03,100
Yeah.

683
00:43:03,100 --> 00:43:09,860
And people were really, um, very kind and very like welcoming and it was, it was so

684
00:43:09,860 --> 00:43:14,380
cool to meet everyone and get, yeah, to have this experience.

685
00:43:14,380 --> 00:43:16,380
Everyone was really great.

686
00:43:16,380 --> 00:43:17,380
Yeah.

687
00:43:17,380 --> 00:43:18,380
That's cool.

688
00:43:18,380 --> 00:43:24,220
Well, one, one last thing that, that I thought about, you know, we've gotten some feedback.

689
00:43:24,220 --> 00:43:29,620
Do you, do you know, Zach, like what some of those sentiments are?

690
00:43:29,620 --> 00:43:35,700
And also the other question, I was just curious if you have a sense for how much acreage is

691
00:43:35,700 --> 00:43:38,380
being affected so far.

692
00:43:38,380 --> 00:43:43,980
Um, I'd have to double check to see like what the, the acreage is.

693
00:43:43,980 --> 00:43:45,700
I don't have that off the top of my head.

694
00:43:45,700 --> 00:43:49,780
Um, but yeah, like a lot of the sentiments have just been, you know, there's a lot of

695
00:43:49,780 --> 00:43:55,540
things in the course, um, that I think people hadn't really put too much thought into, like,

696
00:43:55,540 --> 00:43:58,860
especially when you get into like the pathogen side of things.

697
00:43:58,860 --> 00:44:03,700
Um, that's something that, um, I think a lot of landowners are a little unfamiliar with.

698
00:44:03,700 --> 00:44:08,340
So they've really benefited from learning about, um, those kinds of topics that, um,

699
00:44:08,340 --> 00:44:12,780
you really have to dive into if you're going to, you know, get a deeper understanding of

700
00:44:12,780 --> 00:44:13,780
that.

701
00:44:13,780 --> 00:44:18,260
So that was, um, a really good module that TJ and Sam put together, um, and then some

702
00:44:18,260 --> 00:44:23,420
of the stuff on, you know, the, the predator management side of things and, you know, emphasizing

703
00:44:23,420 --> 00:44:26,820
that habitat management in a lot of ways is predator management.

704
00:44:26,820 --> 00:44:32,100
Um, so yeah, a lot of the feedback we've gotten is just on, you know, you guys shed light

705
00:44:32,100 --> 00:44:38,100
on things that I hadn't considered as much, um, in my own research or talking to the people

706
00:44:38,100 --> 00:44:41,900
that I value in terms of improving my, my land management.

707
00:44:41,900 --> 00:44:42,900
Yeah.

708
00:44:42,900 --> 00:44:54,620
And even for me, like, you know, having, having, uh, the population management sections,

709
00:44:54,620 --> 00:45:03,700
I guess, like I was thinking about Anna Mueller, what she contributed, like she, uh, like her

710
00:45:03,700 --> 00:45:11,300
whole, her, uh, research program is on how to monitor populations better.

711
00:45:11,300 --> 00:45:13,740
She works with turkeys as part of that.

712
00:45:13,740 --> 00:45:18,700
Uh, but you, you know, just talking about a plan for how you can monitor your success

713
00:45:18,700 --> 00:45:25,620
and your population status on your, on your land, like there's so much in, in it, this,

714
00:45:25,620 --> 00:45:29,620
it's even hard for me to think through all the things that are in it, honestly.

715
00:45:29,620 --> 00:45:34,340
I know, uh, you know, you guys have, have talked about that in the past, it was a pretty

716
00:45:34,340 --> 00:45:39,460
overwhelming project to, to see to fruition, but.

717
00:45:39,460 --> 00:45:47,300
But we did it and we're like, here's all our goals and it's live and people are taking

718
00:45:47,300 --> 00:45:49,580
it, which is so cool and so exciting.

719
00:45:49,580 --> 00:45:51,060
People are learning from it.

720
00:45:51,060 --> 00:45:52,060
Yeah.

721
00:45:52,060 --> 00:45:53,660
Please take the surveys on there.

722
00:45:53,660 --> 00:45:54,660
That's for Zach.

723
00:45:54,660 --> 00:45:58,060
Well, not just me and Nesha, Nesha had a lot to do with that.

724
00:45:58,060 --> 00:45:59,060
Yeah.

725
00:45:59,060 --> 00:46:02,580
Her PhD program is on, is, uh, utilizing that information as well.

726
00:46:02,580 --> 00:46:03,580
So yeah.

727
00:46:03,580 --> 00:46:04,580
Yeah.

728
00:46:04,580 --> 00:46:06,760
We're getting a lot of good stuff out of that.

729
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:11,320
And yeah, I also want to just throw into like the amount of time that Dot had to put up

730
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:12,320
with me in the car.

731
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:17,000
So I'm, I'm very grateful for Dot for not throwing me out the window at some point.

732
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:21,160
Cause we listened to a lot of my weird podcasts that, that I enjoy.

733
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:24,200
Um, and I'm into more of the like scary story stuff.

734
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:28,640
So we were doing some late drives with these terrifying stories playing.

735
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:31,760
Um, and then I'm into mostly like rock and metal.

736
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,120
So Dot was putting up with my music too.

737
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:36,880
So props to you Dot.

738
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:38,840
That did remind me of one thing.

739
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:43,760
Can you describe what your ride back from Tennessee was like with me?

740
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:44,760
Okay.

741
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:50,280
So I've been in the car with people who love a band before, but I've never been in the

742
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:51,880
car with someone who loves a band.

743
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:59,420
Like Marcus Lowe's ACDC, like we probably listened to maybe 38 straight ACDC songs and

744
00:46:59,420 --> 00:47:03,520
every single one of the next songs, Marcus is like, Oh, this song is going to change

745
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:04,520
your life.

746
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:08,880
And then he would be belt in that song and the top of his lungs, know every lyric.

747
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:11,720
And then we get to the end and he'd be like, what'd you think about that one, man?

748
00:47:11,720 --> 00:47:12,720
It was incredible.

749
00:47:12,720 --> 00:47:13,720
Right?

750
00:47:13,720 --> 00:47:17,160
I was like, there has to be a point where the, the songs aren't as good as the last

751
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:21,480
one, but he's that passionate about every single one.

752
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:24,080
Well, that came from a discussion.

753
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:30,080
I, now I can't remember where it was and what we were talking about, but I just was like,

754
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:34,000
you know, we were, we got on greatest rock and roll bands.

755
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:38,000
And I was like, well, I think it's hard to compete with ACDC because they have platinum

756
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:40,040
records in four different decades.

757
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:46,960
And, uh, you know, we went back and forth and then Zach was like, all right, let's let's

758
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:48,040
hear the playlist.

759
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:53,160
And we literally did not run out of songs for the entire drive all the way from Knoxville

760
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:56,360
back to Gainesville, which I think is pretty impressive.

761
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:57,360
Yeah.

762
00:47:57,360 --> 00:47:58,360
Yeah.

763
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:01,360
And we were, it was definitely getting us pumped up because we were making really good

764
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:02,680
time getting home too.

765
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:09,120
We were flying and you were like, uh, I think there was like one song that you're like,

766
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:11,800
yeah, that one wasn't so good, but the other one's pretty good songs.

767
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:15,360
Well, and the one song was there like joke song that they put out or whatever.

768
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:16,360
Yeah.

769
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:24,520
It was like a spoof, uh, but overall it was pretty, pretty decent experience, you know?

770
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:25,520
Yeah.

771
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:26,520
That's one of my words.

772
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:28,680
Cause I think before we started playing and I was like, yeah, they've got like eight or

773
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:30,680
nine pretty good songs.

774
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:37,320
And then we were on song 30 and I was like, all right, well, I guess I'm wrong here.

775
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:42,760
One other thing, like on YouTube, when we were looking at them, I was trying to, I forgot

776
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:48,000
what the number was, but it wasn't like 18 or 20 songs that were downloaded billions

777
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:53,040
of times or listened to or whatever they're tracking on there.

778
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:58,080
And I was like, man, I can't find another artist that has more than two or three that

779
00:48:58,080 --> 00:48:59,080
are in the billions.

780
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:00,080
You know?

781
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:02,640
Well, when you were pulling up like a lot of the videos too, and like you were showing

782
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:05,480
me like stuff from the concert and you were like, look at these people that are losing

783
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:06,480
their mind.

784
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:10,560
And you're like, I'm going to that concert in a month and I'm going to be losing my mind.

785
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:11,560
And I did.

786
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:13,200
It was so awesome.

787
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:14,200
Yeah.

788
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:18,680
I went to see him in Tampa and that was amazing.

789
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:23,680
Oh yeah, that was, that was one of the downsides to the course was, you know, we were bouncing

790
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:24,680
around so much.

791
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:28,560
I missed out on a lot of the concerts I was hoping, hoping to go to.

792
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:31,800
And here's my, my little jab at the NWTF convention.

793
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:36,000
I feel like they need to make sure they don't schedule it when the Daytona 500 is going

794
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:43,800
on because poor, poor dot on the drive back from that, um, I made her listen to the MRN,

795
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:49,440
which is like the radio network that does NASCAR, like the whole NASCAR feed of the

796
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:53,800
Daytona 500, which if you're into NASCAR, like I am like, that's fine.

797
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:57,200
But if you're not, you're literally listening to these people on the radio talking about

798
00:49:57,200 --> 00:49:58,840
cars going in a circle.

799
00:49:58,840 --> 00:49:59,840
Yep.

800
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:00,840
I had no idea what I was listening to.

801
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:07,920
I was like, and I mean, we live super close to it as well, but I had no idea.

802
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:11,160
Um, but it was, I think it was canceled as well.

803
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:13,280
Like we listened to it, but it rained out or something.

804
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:14,280
It was postponed.

805
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:15,280
Yeah.

806
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:16,280
I think it got like delayed.

807
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:17,280
So it ended up working out.

808
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:18,280
Yeah.

809
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:19,280
I can't remember.

810
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:21,280
I just, we had it going for a little bit.

811
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:25,280
It, it wasn't, it wasn't so bad driving with you Zach.

812
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:29,040
Lots of, lots of camping and hiking horror stories and.

813
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:34,200
Well, and dot picked up pretty quickly on a lot of my like idiosyncrasies.

814
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:38,840
Like I've got pretty bad, like anxiety and I have a lot of OCD tendencies.

815
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:43,600
So for me to like leave the truck, sometimes I've got to check the door like eight times

816
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:45,800
and make sure that like, everything's locked up.

817
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:46,800
Yeah.

818
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:50,800
If you've got something valuable in there, even if there's nothing valuable in there,

819
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:53,660
I'm just paranoid about checking stuff.

820
00:50:53,660 --> 00:50:57,360
And I feel like probably like halfway through film and everything.

821
00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:00,960
Dot got to the point where she's like, I'm on like, just leave it.

822
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:01,960
It's locked.

823
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:08,600
Like, and of course it works out like one of the last trips we did, we were at, um,

824
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:13,680
the Oklahoma city airport and we were returned in the rental car that we had.

825
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:17,620
And I was doing my crazy checks and was making sure I didn't forget anything.

826
00:51:17,620 --> 00:51:19,840
And dots like, come on, like, let's just get to the airport.

827
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:20,840
Like we can go.

828
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:21,840
And I'm like, all right, fine.

829
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:22,840
Like I'll leave.

830
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:28,000
And of course that's the one time I forgot my like $400 prescription sunglasses in the

831
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:29,360
truck.

832
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:34,200
And it haunts me to this day that I didn't do my like fifth check and then find that.

833
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:35,520
Um, cause I know I would have.

834
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:39,360
So I like to blame dot, even though it's my fault for losing them.

835
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:45,080
I must say your checks that I, I can't recall exactly what it was, but your crazy shakes

836
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:49,480
that did save us one or two times where we almost forgot things.

837
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:50,480
So nice.

838
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:53,360
I'll, I'll give you that.

839
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:55,180
Count it.

840
00:51:55,180 --> 00:51:56,680
That's a W for me.

841
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:57,680
Yeah.

842
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:02,960
Well, is there anything else, like anything that you wanted to share that I didn't ask

843
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:03,960
you about?

844
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:11,320
I mean, I, I can't think of anything that's off of my head and you Zach, no, I was looking

845
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:14,240
through, I had some notes, but yeah, I think we covered any, everything.

846
00:52:14,240 --> 00:52:15,240
Yeah.

847
00:52:15,240 --> 00:52:19,000
I guess like, uh, just take this time to thank everybody who's, you know, already signed

848
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:21,160
up for the course, already completed the course.

849
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:23,120
Um, we're super grateful for that.

850
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:27,600
And, um, like we've kind of alluded to in the podcast, um, keep giving feedback, keep

851
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:31,000
letting us know what you thought of the course and ways we can improve the course.

852
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:33,240
Cause this isn't a static thing.

853
00:52:33,240 --> 00:52:37,200
Um, we're going to continue to update this course and, uh, make changes.

854
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:41,900
So, you know, as you go through it and you have any kind of recommendations, um, of how

855
00:52:41,900 --> 00:52:45,360
we can improve things, or like we mentioned for the second course, things that you think

856
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:46,360
would be beneficial.

857
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:50,720
Um, definitely let us know, um, cause yeah, we really appreciate that.

858
00:52:50,720 --> 00:52:51,720
Yeah.

859
00:52:51,720 --> 00:52:57,800
And I'll add to that, the, you know, the more successful the course is, the more, I mean,

860
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:00,680
it's funding that like a self funded.

861
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:05,280
So the more successful it is, the more we can put into it and the, the more products

862
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:08,360
that we're ultimately come out of it down the road.

863
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:12,600
So, you know, if you enjoyed that, make sure you check out the other course when it goes

864
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:13,600
live.

865
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:20,880
Uh, you know, share it with, with others to help us spread the word, you know, anything

866
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:24,860
that people can do to help us get it in front of more people, I think is ultimately good

867
00:53:24,860 --> 00:53:31,160
for the resource, but also is good for, for the programming because we'll be able to put

868
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:33,400
more back into it.

869
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:34,400
And so self-funded.

870
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:35,400
Yeah.

871
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:36,400
For sure.

872
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:37,400
All right.

873
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:41,520
Well, it was really fun talking to you guys about it.

874
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:46,280
I've heard pieces of, of these stories and things, you know, over the last several months,

875
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:52,160
but it was nice to kind of talk through all of what went into developing these courses

876
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:54,120
and hearing your side of things.

877
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:56,120
So really fun to do that.

878
00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:57,120
Yeah.

879
00:53:57,120 --> 00:53:58,120
Thank you for having us.

880
00:53:58,120 --> 00:53:59,120
Yeah.

881
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:00,120
Thanks for having us.

882
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:01,120
Yeah.

883
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:02,120
Thanks everybody out there for listening.

884
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:03,120
We appreciate all the support.

885
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:04,120
Like always.

886
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:09,320
Uh, if you hadn't had a chance, please drop us a rating, you know, check out the course

887
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:14,760
if you haven't gotten a chance, it's, uh, I think really valuable stuff and, and a lot

888
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:20,120
of people are giving us that kind of feedback, helping us share the podcast and other things

889
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:21,120
are always helpful.

890
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:28,480
So thanks everybody for, for all the support out there.

891
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:32,640
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892
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:37,780
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893
00:54:37,780 --> 00:54:41,360
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894
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:47,200
Thanks.

895
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:49,260
you