1 00:00:05,759 --> 00:00:09,460 From the Weston A Price Foundation, welcome to the Wise Traditions 2 00:00:09,519 --> 00:00:13,040 podcast for wise traditions in food, farming and the healing 3 00:00:13,040 --> 00:00:16,575 arts. We are your source for scientific knowledge and traditional 4 00:00:16,575 --> 00:00:19,075 wisdom to help you achieve optimal health. 5 00:00:24,095 --> 00:00:27,600 And now, here is our host and producer, Hilda Labrada 6 00:00:27,660 --> 00:00:30,960 Gore. Hey. Hilda here. 7 00:00:31,740 --> 00:00:35,440 We want to choose food that nourishes us the best 8 00:00:35,660 --> 00:00:39,495 for ourselves and our families. What does that look like? What 9 00:00:39,495 --> 00:00:43,255 are helpful guidelines when it comes to eating an ancestral diet? And is 10 00:00:43,255 --> 00:00:46,935 this even possible in today's day and age of packaged and 11 00:00:46,935 --> 00:00:50,315 processed foods? What's realistic? This is episode 12 00:00:50,775 --> 00:00:54,430 498, and our guest today is none other than Sally Fallon 13 00:00:54,430 --> 00:00:57,890 Morel, the president and founder of the Weston a Price Foundation. 14 00:00:58,350 --> 00:01:02,050 Today, Sally goes over the wise tradition's 11 dietary 15 00:01:02,190 --> 00:01:06,030 principles that are a great starting place when it comes to making 16 00:01:06,030 --> 00:01:09,784 healthy, nourishing food choices. She reviews the sacred 17 00:01:09,784 --> 00:01:13,244 foods that were most prized by indigenous people groups. 18 00:01:13,465 --> 00:01:17,305 She explains how the dietary principles are tweakable, meaning 19 00:01:17,305 --> 00:01:21,090 that you can make them work for you, and why the Wise Traditions Diet 20 00:01:21,090 --> 00:01:24,770 is not a diet of extremes. She goes over all of the 21 00:01:24,770 --> 00:01:28,530 specifics on how to get the right balance of omega 3 fatty acids and omega 22 00:01:28,530 --> 00:01:32,290 6 in the diet, which is the best fat to eat, and so 23 00:01:32,290 --> 00:01:35,854 on. And she reviews why we need salt and the type of salt that's 24 00:01:35,854 --> 00:01:39,075 best, and how to reduce sugar cravings. 25 00:01:39,615 --> 00:01:42,994 Finally, she gives us a fresh look at the timeless principles 26 00:01:43,375 --> 00:01:47,130 of healthy traditional diets. Before we get into the conversations, I wanna 27 00:01:47,130 --> 00:01:50,910 let you know that we just wrapped up the annual Wise Traditions Conference. 28 00:01:51,210 --> 00:01:54,970 If you missed it, don't worry. You can get access to the recordings of 29 00:01:54,970 --> 00:01:58,490 many, if not all of the talks and presentations by going to 30 00:01:58,490 --> 00:02:02,205 Fleetwood On-site.com. Go there for details. I'll 31 00:02:02,205 --> 00:02:05,725 put a link in the show description so you can find it easily. Order just 32 00:02:05,725 --> 00:02:09,185 a few of the talks or the whole conference full of presentations, 33 00:02:09,725 --> 00:02:13,325 and we hope to see you in person next time. This is Hilda Librada 34 00:02:13,325 --> 00:02:17,080 gore, and you're listening to Wise Traditions. Welcome to Wise Traditions, 35 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:20,840 Sally. Thank you, Hilda. It's always great to be back with you. So the 36 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:24,460 Weston a Price Foundation is celebrating 25 years soon. 37 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:28,300 Yes. I mean, you've established in 1999. That's amazing. 38 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:32,114 Well, you we just kinda stuck to it. That's so 39 00:02:32,114 --> 00:02:35,334 important. Persistence. Well and I want 40 00:02:35,875 --> 00:02:39,715 to have us revisit the principles Okay. Because these dietary principles are 41 00:02:39,715 --> 00:02:42,995 key to what the foundation is about. Right? Yes. It's and I always like to 42 00:02:42,995 --> 00:02:46,780 say, we don't do this in sound bites. It's there's more to it 43 00:02:46,780 --> 00:02:50,620 than just, you know, a little saying or something. Right. 44 00:02:50,620 --> 00:02:54,380 There's details that are important. And we've always 45 00:02:54,380 --> 00:02:57,925 talked about our 11 principles, but now we have this 46 00:02:57,925 --> 00:03:01,385 beautiful booklet, 11 dietary principles, 47 00:03:01,525 --> 00:03:05,145 wise traditions diet, beautifully illustrated. So, 48 00:03:05,525 --> 00:03:09,225 we'd love for people to to read this booklet. All the references 49 00:03:09,285 --> 00:03:12,870 are there. And Now how many of the principles are from 50 00:03:12,870 --> 00:03:16,709 doctor Weston a Price himself, and how many are some that we did research on 51 00:03:16,709 --> 00:03:20,230 and realized we need to add to the list? That's a very good question, 52 00:03:20,230 --> 00:03:23,750 Hilda, because number 1, 2, and 3 were doctor 53 00:03:23,750 --> 00:03:27,275 Price's principles and number 11 about healthy 54 00:03:27,275 --> 00:03:30,795 children. So 4 through 10 are things that we 55 00:03:30,795 --> 00:03:34,394 added, and we can go through them. But, they are 56 00:03:34,394 --> 00:03:37,694 also things that you find in pretty much all traditional 57 00:03:37,915 --> 00:03:41,190 diets. Now what if people have sensitivities 58 00:03:42,129 --> 00:03:45,730 or would prefer to avoid certain things? Can they still follow the wise 59 00:03:45,730 --> 00:03:49,489 traditions diet? This diet is very tweakable. And one 60 00:03:49,489 --> 00:03:53,235 of the things we don't do is say what proportions 61 00:03:53,295 --> 00:03:57,055 of macronutrients your diet should be. No diet 62 00:03:57,055 --> 00:04:00,835 should exceed 20% of calories as protein because 63 00:04:00,975 --> 00:04:04,495 no traditional diet did. But then you have the carbs and the fats, and 64 00:04:04,495 --> 00:04:07,235 that's very adjustable depending on 65 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:11,480 what works for you. I would say a lot of 66 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:15,000 us do better on a high fat diet. Mhmm. But some 67 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:18,600 people really cannot handle a lot of 68 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:22,345 fat, and so they would have more of a high carb diet. But the 69 00:04:22,345 --> 00:04:25,725 key thing is to get those fat soluble vitamins, and 70 00:04:26,105 --> 00:04:29,485 it's a little bit harder if you have a high carb diet. 71 00:04:29,945 --> 00:04:33,639 Interesting. Now I know some people say when I tell 72 00:04:33,639 --> 00:04:37,479 them, oh, the Wise Traditions diet is kind of an ancestrally based diet. 73 00:04:37,479 --> 00:04:40,840 They think, oh, do I need to look at my ancestry to know what to 74 00:04:40,840 --> 00:04:44,599 eat? How much does that play a part in what our diet should be, 75 00:04:44,599 --> 00:04:48,075 Sally? I think there is something to that. Just 76 00:04:48,295 --> 00:04:52,135 for example, if you had a lot of seafood in 77 00:04:52,135 --> 00:04:55,815 your ancestral diet, it would be very good to include it. If you 78 00:04:55,815 --> 00:04:59,415 had a lot of red meat in your ancestral diet, I think it's very important 79 00:04:59,415 --> 00:05:03,040 to include it because probably your body needs a lot of 80 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:06,820 zinc. So, yes, I would definitely look at your ancestral 81 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:10,560 diet. But there's also, you know, some people we have a lot of 82 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:13,780 people now who can't do beef, for example, which is a shame, 83 00:05:14,414 --> 00:05:18,254 but some people are just gonna have to leave things out. And 84 00:05:18,254 --> 00:05:21,875 this reminds me too of, the work of doctor Jack Cruz who says 85 00:05:22,414 --> 00:05:25,875 your genetic material may be predisposed 86 00:05:26,175 --> 00:05:29,570 to be living in a certain part of the world. Yes. So that if, for 87 00:05:29,570 --> 00:05:33,190 example, a woman from Mexico ancestry is living in Canada, 88 00:05:33,330 --> 00:05:37,090 she may feel the cold more or need more sunlight actually than 89 00:05:37,090 --> 00:05:40,785 she's getting in those northern latitudes. Could be. Yes. Right. So we'll have to 90 00:05:40,785 --> 00:05:44,544 pay attention to that. Well, let's go through the 11 principles 1 by 1. Okay. 91 00:05:44,544 --> 00:05:48,225 We'll see what we can cover. Alright. Well, the first principle is that there were 92 00:05:48,225 --> 00:05:52,065 no refined or denatured foods. And I think we can all agree on 93 00:05:52,065 --> 00:05:55,650 that, but we also know that this is very, very difficult in the 94 00:05:55,650 --> 00:05:59,410 modern age. It means you have to really think about what 95 00:05:59,410 --> 00:06:03,169 you're putting into your mouth. It doesn't mean that you have to home 96 00:06:03,169 --> 00:06:06,949 cook all your meals because we can get 97 00:06:07,245 --> 00:06:11,005 foods that are kind of quick foods that traditional people always 98 00:06:11,005 --> 00:06:14,605 had. Cheese is one of them. I'm very partial to 99 00:06:14,605 --> 00:06:18,205 cheese. Things like salami and, 100 00:06:18,445 --> 00:06:21,985 cured meats, that's another one that, people had. 101 00:06:22,045 --> 00:06:25,880 So, yes. You can actually can do this without 102 00:06:25,940 --> 00:06:29,620 doing a lot of elaborate cooking, but it will be a lot more 103 00:06:29,620 --> 00:06:33,140 interesting if you do. Yes. And so what kind of 104 00:06:33,140 --> 00:06:36,580 refined or denatured foods did doctor Price come across in his 105 00:06:36,580 --> 00:06:40,135 travels? Right. So number 1 was sugar and 106 00:06:40,135 --> 00:06:43,975 foods containing a lot of sugar. Even back then a 100 years ago? Oh, 107 00:06:43,975 --> 00:06:47,815 yes. I was well, this is 19 thirties, but sugar was was 108 00:06:47,815 --> 00:06:51,655 really there. And refined flour, that's another 109 00:06:51,655 --> 00:06:55,240 one that he really looked at because they knew how to make fine white 110 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:59,000 flour, and that's what was coming into all of these stores and things 111 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:02,840 in the isolated population because it it didn't decay. Mhmm. 112 00:07:02,840 --> 00:07:06,300 No. You could make biscuits out of white flour and 113 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:10,825 they lasted. The other thing that he mentions that we 114 00:07:10,825 --> 00:07:14,285 sometimes miss is the vegetable oils. 115 00:07:14,585 --> 00:07:18,265 We call them industrial seed oils. Vegetable oils is just not the right 116 00:07:18,265 --> 00:07:21,865 term because they're not made out of vegetables. Right. But the industry at the time 117 00:07:21,865 --> 00:07:25,560 said, well, it just sounds so much better to say vegetables. See? Yes. But 118 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:29,319 industrial seed oils were coming into the diet. They had never 119 00:07:29,319 --> 00:07:32,680 been in our diets before, and they were pushing out. They were 120 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:36,460 replacing the animal fats with a campaign to demonize 121 00:07:36,599 --> 00:07:40,445 the animal fats. Mhmm. And doctor Price noted that when people started 122 00:07:40,445 --> 00:07:44,205 to incorporate these displacing foods of modern commerce. Right? Yes. He saw 123 00:07:44,205 --> 00:07:48,045 that their health deteriorated. Yes. And very quickly in the teeth, he 124 00:07:48,045 --> 00:07:51,885 saw the, cavities and the infection and so forth in 125 00:07:51,885 --> 00:07:55,620 the mouth. And then in the next generation, the teeth were 126 00:07:55,620 --> 00:07:58,580 not straight. There was not enough room for the teeth. And the teeth tell the 127 00:07:58,580 --> 00:08:01,960 tale. The teeth tell the tale. If you see somebody 128 00:08:02,099 --> 00:08:05,860 with naturally straight teeth, it's a sign that their whole body 129 00:08:05,860 --> 00:08:09,315 has been correctly nourished while they were 130 00:08:09,315 --> 00:08:12,915 growing and putting everything together. And if the teeth are 131 00:08:12,915 --> 00:08:16,295 crooked, then there's it's a sign that there was a lot missing 132 00:08:16,675 --> 00:08:20,515 in the diet and other organs will be affected as well. But now we 133 00:08:20,515 --> 00:08:24,110 can't even tell who has naturally straight teeth because a lot of people wear 134 00:08:24,110 --> 00:08:27,650 braces when they're teenagers and then get them off and they have that appearance, 135 00:08:28,030 --> 00:08:31,870 but maybe not really the strong body that would come with it. And 136 00:08:31,870 --> 00:08:35,385 they tend to have a narrow jaw even though the teeth might be straight. 137 00:08:35,785 --> 00:08:39,544 Interesting. So principle number 1 is pretty easy to understand. No 138 00:08:39,544 --> 00:08:43,385 refined or denatured foods. And by the way, pasteurized milk is a refined and 139 00:08:43,385 --> 00:08:47,145 denatured food. It's very important to remember that. Oh, it's 140 00:08:47,145 --> 00:08:50,765 not at all how it is in its natural raw state. Right. Exactly. 141 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:55,240 And you might have a whole grain breakfast cereal, but that's 142 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:59,020 not that's not a natural food. It's denatured. 143 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:02,920 That's where that denatured. Yes. Word comes from. Interesting. Yes. When it's 144 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:06,595 overly processed, it's probably not gonna be good for us. And, honestly, 145 00:09:06,595 --> 00:09:10,195 Hilda, most people, that's all they eat. The breakfast is 146 00:09:10,195 --> 00:09:13,955 cereal with pasteurized skim milk and sugar, and 147 00:09:13,955 --> 00:09:17,795 lunch would be a McDonald's meal. The only thing slightly natural 148 00:09:17,795 --> 00:09:21,410 in that meal is the beef, and everything else is a 149 00:09:21,410 --> 00:09:24,850 denatured food. It makes me so sad. I think people think, 150 00:09:24,850 --> 00:09:28,370 well, organic or real food is so expensive 151 00:09:28,370 --> 00:09:31,829 compared to fast food or things on sale at Costco. But 152 00:09:32,135 --> 00:09:35,495 you either pay for your food or you end up paying For your medical 153 00:09:35,495 --> 00:09:39,255 expenses. Absolutely. Alright. Let's go on principle number 2. Number 154 00:09:39,255 --> 00:09:42,774 2, and this is a very controversial one. It was doctor Price's 155 00:09:42,774 --> 00:09:46,370 greatest disappointment. There were no vegan or 156 00:09:46,370 --> 00:09:50,210 even vegetarian diets that he looked at. He'd hoped to find 157 00:09:50,210 --> 00:09:53,990 one. He had to admit that all the healthy people that he studied 158 00:09:54,290 --> 00:09:57,985 had animal foods in their diet. And not only that, 159 00:09:57,985 --> 00:10:01,745 they went to a great risk to obtain the animal foods. 160 00:10:01,745 --> 00:10:05,065 So they went to a lot of trouble. It would have been much easier just 161 00:10:05,065 --> 00:10:08,485 to have plant foods. But they knew they needed these foods 162 00:10:09,170 --> 00:10:12,690 And all the sacred foods, the food so important for having healthy 163 00:10:12,690 --> 00:10:16,370 babies, they were all animal foods. Yes. Like liver 164 00:10:16,370 --> 00:10:19,810 and butter. Right? Liver, butter, fish eggs was another 165 00:10:19,810 --> 00:10:23,545 one, organ meats. And doctor Price thought he would 166 00:10:23,545 --> 00:10:26,925 find some peoples who were focused or whose diet was primarily 167 00:10:27,225 --> 00:10:30,985 plant based and he just didn't find them. He didn't find them. Another important very 168 00:10:30,985 --> 00:10:34,685 important food was shellfish. For example, in the islands 169 00:10:34,905 --> 00:10:38,690 of the South Pacific, the people that lived in the interior of the 170 00:10:38,690 --> 00:10:42,050 islands, they traded with the people along the coast so they could get the 171 00:10:42,050 --> 00:10:45,650 shellfish. And even when they were at war with each other, they 172 00:10:45,650 --> 00:10:49,410 still traded to have the foods they needed. It was that important. It was 173 00:10:49,410 --> 00:10:53,095 that important. Oh, fascinating. So animal products are 174 00:10:53,095 --> 00:10:56,795 important to include. Yes. Yes. And so, you know, people have 175 00:10:56,855 --> 00:11:00,535 criticized us for taking such a strong stand about the need for 176 00:11:00,535 --> 00:11:04,214 animal foods in the diet, but it's not just yourself you're talking about, it's 177 00:11:04,214 --> 00:11:07,950 your offspring. They need those animal foods, and children need 178 00:11:07,950 --> 00:11:11,470 a nutrient dense diet to as they grow. Mhmm. 179 00:11:11,470 --> 00:11:14,529 And plant foods are not nutrient dense foods. 180 00:11:15,149 --> 00:11:18,985 It's nice to have them in the diet, and it tastes good and so forth, 181 00:11:18,985 --> 00:11:22,605 but compared to meat, what's in apples is 182 00:11:22,665 --> 00:11:26,265 is a dependence of what's in meat. That's right. And you've stated 183 00:11:26,265 --> 00:11:29,705 before, if we thought, well, I can get iron from spinach, for 184 00:11:29,705 --> 00:11:33,005 example, so I'll eat that instead of red meat of some sort. 185 00:11:33,310 --> 00:11:37,070 You'd have to eat quantities and quantities of it to even get 186 00:11:37,070 --> 00:11:40,510 what you would get from an ounce of liver, for example. That's right. And when 187 00:11:40,510 --> 00:11:44,030 you're eating all that spinach, you're getting a lot of oxalates, which is very hard 188 00:11:44,030 --> 00:11:47,695 for the body to handle and may might cause kidney stones. So 189 00:11:47,695 --> 00:11:51,535 there's a lot of toxins in plant foods. Mhmm. Good 190 00:11:51,535 --> 00:11:55,375 point. So what's principle number 3? Okay. So this is the most important 191 00:11:55,375 --> 00:11:58,435 principle and basically all the other principles, 192 00:11:59,250 --> 00:12:02,690 can be fit into this principle. And this is the principle of 193 00:12:02,690 --> 00:12:06,210 nutrient density. So the diets were very high in 194 00:12:06,210 --> 00:12:09,590 minerals, at least 4 times more of all of the minerals 195 00:12:10,050 --> 00:12:13,810 in the traditional diet compared to the diet of his day, the American 196 00:12:13,810 --> 00:12:17,475 diet. So this is calcium, phosphorus, magnesium, 197 00:12:18,095 --> 00:12:21,935 you know, iodine, all of the minerals, and very, 198 00:12:21,935 --> 00:12:25,535 very high in what he called the fat soluble activators, the fat 199 00:12:25,535 --> 00:12:29,240 soluble vitamins a, d, and k. And this is where we have 200 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:32,620 put most of our emphasis. How do we 201 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:36,600 get these vitamins to maximize them in the food, and 202 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:40,360 what kind of foods do we have to eat to get these three really important 203 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:44,035 vitamins? And here's the spoiler. Yeah. It's animal 204 00:12:44,035 --> 00:12:47,875 fats and organ meats. Which actually 205 00:12:47,875 --> 00:12:51,635 are amazing. I feel like this kind of eating is 206 00:12:51,635 --> 00:12:55,255 so satisfying. And as you've pointed out before, traditional 207 00:12:55,315 --> 00:12:58,800 diets maximize nutrients and modern 208 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:02,639 diets minimize them. That's exactly right. We're like, oh, we added a few vitamins and 209 00:13:02,639 --> 00:13:06,399 minerals to the cereal. That's nothing compared to what real food has. Exactly. Exactly. 210 00:13:06,399 --> 00:13:10,095 And also that they're absorb same amount of 211 00:13:10,095 --> 00:13:13,935 calcium in raw and pasteurized milk. But when you pasteurize the 212 00:13:13,935 --> 00:13:17,695 milk, you kill all the enzymes that ensure that you absorb a 100% of the 213 00:13:17,695 --> 00:13:21,055 calcium. And then, for example, when you soak your 214 00:13:21,055 --> 00:13:24,870 grains, you liberate all the minerals. You make sure they're easy to 215 00:13:24,870 --> 00:13:28,709 absorb so that becomes a nutrient dense food. Yes. 216 00:13:28,709 --> 00:13:32,010 So people say you are what you eat, but you actually are what you absorb. 217 00:13:32,070 --> 00:13:35,670 Yes. What you assimilate. Uh-huh. So many of the nutrients in the plant 218 00:13:35,670 --> 00:13:39,005 foods, especially grains, are blocked by 219 00:13:39,305 --> 00:13:42,925 various blockers, phytic acid, this kind of thing. And 220 00:13:43,225 --> 00:13:46,905 when we know understand the preparation techniques, we can turn 221 00:13:46,905 --> 00:13:50,665 these foods that are problematic into foods that are nutrient dense 222 00:13:50,665 --> 00:13:53,930 and easy to digest. Isn't that wonderful? Yeah. 223 00:13:54,550 --> 00:13:58,389 Now what's principle number 4? Okay. So number 4 has to do with 224 00:13:58,389 --> 00:14:02,230 cooking. So some animal foods were eaten raw in all 225 00:14:02,230 --> 00:14:05,690 cultures, whether it's raw dairy, raw shellfish, 226 00:14:05,910 --> 00:14:09,485 which people still eat, or raw meat. Now not 227 00:14:09,485 --> 00:14:13,245 all the animal foods were eaten raw. They both cooked and 228 00:14:13,245 --> 00:14:17,005 raw. And this almost gets this is kind of a segue into what 229 00:14:17,005 --> 00:14:20,704 should we cook and what should we not cook. So we don't cook dairy 230 00:14:21,089 --> 00:14:24,610 products because the proteins and the enzymes are so fragile in these 231 00:14:24,610 --> 00:14:28,050 foods. We eat foods. The animal food's raw and 232 00:14:28,050 --> 00:14:31,889 cooked. Vegetables should mostly be cooked because they're very hard to 233 00:14:31,889 --> 00:14:34,870 digest. Grains need to be soaked and cooked. 234 00:14:35,329 --> 00:14:38,985 So for each type of food, we need to 235 00:14:38,985 --> 00:14:42,745 understand how to prepare it so that we get the most from it. It's 236 00:14:42,745 --> 00:14:45,625 funny because I think most people would think it's the other way around. Eat your 237 00:14:45,625 --> 00:14:48,605 vegetables raw and eat your meat cooked. Cooked. Yes. 238 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:52,760 And, yeah, we should eat some of our meat cooked because cooking makes the 239 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:56,600 proteins more available in meat. Mhmm. But cooking destroys the b 6. 240 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:59,820 So and that's one of the big things we get from meat. 241 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:04,315 Fascinating. So we don't need to go all raw or all 242 00:15:04,315 --> 00:15:07,355 cooked. We have to have a mix. And, you know, Hilda, that's a really good 243 00:15:07,355 --> 00:15:11,195 point. This is not a diet of extremes. It's not an 244 00:15:11,195 --> 00:15:14,875 all raw diet. It's not an all cooked diet. It's not all meat. It's not 245 00:15:14,875 --> 00:15:18,570 all plants. It's in the middle. It's in the middle, and I think that's 246 00:15:18,570 --> 00:15:22,170 good news. That's the way people want to eat. It's true. To 247 00:15:22,170 --> 00:15:25,470 have meat, veg, and and carb on their plate. 248 00:15:26,170 --> 00:15:29,790 And what we do is show them how to prepare these foods, 249 00:15:29,930 --> 00:15:33,644 to raise these foods. Of course, we're big advocates of pasture based 250 00:15:33,644 --> 00:15:37,485 farming. To raise them and prepare them and put good butter 251 00:15:37,485 --> 00:15:40,444 on them and so forth so that we get the most that we can get 252 00:15:40,444 --> 00:15:43,740 from these foods. I love it. And that's when they taste good. 253 00:15:45,339 --> 00:15:49,100 Mhmm. What's principle number 5, Sally? So principle number 5 is interesting. 254 00:15:49,100 --> 00:15:52,700 This is something that's really catching on now, and this is this principle of 255 00:15:52,700 --> 00:15:55,920 lactofermentation. Every traditional 256 00:15:56,060 --> 00:15:59,894 culture, healthy culture, without exception, had 1 or 257 00:15:59,894 --> 00:16:03,654 more fermented foods in their diet. There's no exceptions to this rule, whether 258 00:16:03,654 --> 00:16:07,035 it's the Eskimos with their fermented fish or the Dauci 259 00:16:07,095 --> 00:16:10,935 islanders with fermented taro. And these are raw foods. These 260 00:16:10,935 --> 00:16:14,695 are foods that have been fermented and you get all the good bacteria and enzymes 261 00:16:14,695 --> 00:16:18,510 and so forth. And it's really fun to see how science has caught 262 00:16:18,510 --> 00:16:22,030 up with this principle because 30 years 263 00:16:22,030 --> 00:16:25,730 ago, you know, the only good bacteria was a dead bacteria. 264 00:16:25,870 --> 00:16:29,630 Right? And we've completely changed our view. Science 265 00:16:29,630 --> 00:16:33,175 has opened up new worlds for us that the bacteria 266 00:16:33,315 --> 00:16:37,155 are our friends Yes. And we need to support and replenish 267 00:16:37,155 --> 00:16:40,995 those bacteria every day, and that's what the fermented foods do. 268 00:16:40,995 --> 00:16:44,810 Just to give you an example, sauerkraut. You eat a 269 00:16:44,810 --> 00:16:48,410 tablespoon of sauerkraut with every meal. There's more 270 00:16:48,410 --> 00:16:52,250 probiotics in that tablespoon of sauerkraut than there is in a whole bottle of 271 00:16:52,250 --> 00:16:55,850 probiotic pills. Wow. And if you 272 00:16:55,850 --> 00:16:59,505 wild ferment, in other words, getting the bacteria from the atmosphere, there are even 273 00:16:59,505 --> 00:17:03,265 more strains, I imagine. Yes. There absolutely are. And you're 274 00:17:03,265 --> 00:17:07,105 right. This is catching on now, which is really gratifying. Well, somebody just sent me 275 00:17:07,105 --> 00:17:10,785 an email about how some big company, I forget, might have been 276 00:17:10,785 --> 00:17:14,510 Pfizer. I don't know know, how they're getting into fermented foods. And this is the 277 00:17:14,510 --> 00:17:18,350 latest thing, like, they just discovered it. We know 278 00:17:18,350 --> 00:17:21,950 it's a wise tradition. Yes. Right. 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The offer ends 315 00:19:39,970 --> 00:19:43,430 on July 1, 2025. That's green pasture.org. 316 00:19:44,290 --> 00:19:47,750 And this is Hilda Labradigore, and you're listening to Wise Traditions. 317 00:19:48,525 --> 00:19:52,205 What's the next one, Sally? Okay. So now we get into grains and 318 00:19:52,205 --> 00:19:55,505 seeds. And for so many people, 319 00:19:55,645 --> 00:19:59,345 grains are a big problem, very hard to digest. 320 00:20:00,285 --> 00:20:03,880 And that's because they're not following the principles that 321 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:07,340 traditional people did, and grains were always 322 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:11,000 soaked and then cooked. So it could be sourdough 323 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:14,460 bread or it could be soaked oatmeal that you cook the next morning, 324 00:20:15,215 --> 00:20:18,975 soaked flour that you make into pancakes. And believe me, 325 00:20:18,975 --> 00:20:22,815 these foods will taste better, and they won't be this is so hard 326 00:20:22,815 --> 00:20:26,575 to digest. Didn't you say that when you were a young girl, you 327 00:20:26,575 --> 00:20:30,280 had muesli or oatmeal all the time and you didn't feel well because Well, when 328 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:34,120 I was a little girl, my mother made oatmeal, and I would 329 00:20:34,120 --> 00:20:37,400 get kind of a toxic shock from it. I thought, well, I must be allergic 330 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:41,020 to oatmeal. And then I learned to soak my oatmeal overnight, 331 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:45,075 and that didn't happen. So it was just the there's there's 332 00:20:45,075 --> 00:20:48,755 toxins in grains and they need to be neutralized. But the other 333 00:20:48,755 --> 00:20:52,595 story I have about that was I went to a party actually and it was 334 00:20:52,595 --> 00:20:55,895 a friend friends of mine and they were serving granola. 335 00:20:56,810 --> 00:21:00,410 And I'd never eaten granola before, and, it was just 336 00:21:00,410 --> 00:21:04,170 delicious. And I went home and started making granola, and I made it with 337 00:21:04,170 --> 00:21:07,930 butter and maple syrup. And I got so sick, 338 00:21:07,930 --> 00:21:11,644 Hilda. Oh. I I and I didn't realize what it was 339 00:21:11,705 --> 00:21:15,304 until I read a book about grains. And I, oh, 340 00:21:15,304 --> 00:21:19,144 it's the granola. And I stopped eating granola, and it 341 00:21:19,144 --> 00:21:22,365 took about 2 weeks to recover. I bet a lot of people 342 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:26,000 can't quite put their finger on why they don't feel well. Mhmm. And it might 343 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:29,680 have to do with this very principle that they're not properly preparing their grains, 344 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:33,440 beans, nuts, and seeds. That's right. Somebody brought to our farm, they 345 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:37,200 brought them some it was soaked, like a coffee cake kinda thing, but it was 346 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:40,935 sprinkled with oats on top. And, of course, I ate a piece, 347 00:21:40,935 --> 00:21:44,295 and I ate a few of those little just a few of those little oat 348 00:21:44,295 --> 00:21:47,975 flakes. And I really did not have a good day. I didn't feel 349 00:21:47,975 --> 00:21:51,815 well. Wow. So but if you don't know what to look for, you can't 350 00:21:51,815 --> 00:21:55,470 make those connections. Mm-mm. Absolutely. So what principle 351 00:21:55,470 --> 00:21:58,690 are we on now? Okay. Now we get into the principle of 352 00:21:58,990 --> 00:22:02,450 fats. What kind of fats did these people eat? Mhmm. And 353 00:22:03,230 --> 00:22:06,910 there was a big range in how much fat they ate. It 354 00:22:06,910 --> 00:22:10,664 varied anywhere from 30 to 80% 355 00:22:10,664 --> 00:22:14,345 of the diet calories in the diet. The Eskimos had a extremely 356 00:22:14,345 --> 00:22:18,024 high fat diet. And the, hunters on the 357 00:22:18,024 --> 00:22:21,784 plains selected animals that were fat. They 358 00:22:21,784 --> 00:22:24,840 always ate the fat. But then you had the agrarian 359 00:22:25,700 --> 00:22:29,000 cultures in Africa, for example. It was fairly low fat diet. 360 00:22:29,299 --> 00:22:32,500 So we don't tell you how much fat to eat, but we do tell you 361 00:22:32,500 --> 00:22:36,280 what kind of fat to eat. Yes. Okay. And that's mostly saturated 362 00:22:36,419 --> 00:22:40,195 fat. So that would be the fat of animals, the fat 363 00:22:40,195 --> 00:22:43,655 of birds. In Africa, they had palm oil. 364 00:22:44,195 --> 00:22:47,635 And in the southeast, they had coconut oil, and these are very 365 00:22:47,635 --> 00:22:51,360 highly saturated. So the types of fats we need are 366 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:55,140 mostly saturated fats. And, of course, this goes completely against 367 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:58,980 what we're being told Yes. To avoid saturated fats. 368 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:02,880 And these fats actually contain important 369 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:06,615 nutrients for the body. Right? Well, they're the animal fats, not 370 00:23:06,615 --> 00:23:10,375 the palm oil or the coconut oil, but the animal fats are great 371 00:23:10,375 --> 00:23:13,975 sources of vitamins a, d, and k. Bird fats, duck 372 00:23:13,975 --> 00:23:17,815 fat, goose fat, this was highly prized. And that's 373 00:23:17,815 --> 00:23:21,595 our best source of vitamin k 2, which is doctor Price's activator 374 00:23:21,735 --> 00:23:25,460 x. Right. And then you can get the proper cognitive function, 375 00:23:25,460 --> 00:23:29,060 the proper digestive function. Everything works better with these 376 00:23:29,060 --> 00:23:32,440 fats. Yes. Exactly. And now our latest 377 00:23:32,660 --> 00:23:36,420 challenge is the EMF, the 5 g, and so forth. And 378 00:23:36,420 --> 00:23:40,125 what beginning to realize is this your protection against 379 00:23:40,125 --> 00:23:43,885 this is having a lot of structured water in your body. And what 380 00:23:43,885 --> 00:23:46,785 structures the water is the hydrophilic surfaces 381 00:23:47,725 --> 00:23:51,240 of your cell membranes. And if your cell membranes have a lot of 382 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:54,919 saturated fat in them, that's what they'll be. You'll be highly 383 00:23:54,919 --> 00:23:58,600 protected against the EMF. It hasn't, escaped my 384 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:02,360 notice that a lot of these people who are extremely sensitive to 385 00:24:02,360 --> 00:24:05,985 EMF are vegetarians. Interesting. They're not getting enough 386 00:24:05,985 --> 00:24:09,685 saturated fat. Wow. So butter is better for everything. Yes. 387 00:24:09,985 --> 00:24:13,825 Exactly. So speaking of fat Number 8 is about 388 00:24:13,825 --> 00:24:17,265 balance, and it's funny. Nourishing 389 00:24:17,265 --> 00:24:20,970 Traditions was the first book to introduce this concept, and now a lot of 390 00:24:20,970 --> 00:24:24,810 people talk about it. Yes. Yes. So the unsaturated fats come in 391 00:24:24,810 --> 00:24:28,410 2 types, omega 6 and omega 3. We don't need much of 392 00:24:28,410 --> 00:24:32,250 them. We don't need to eat a lot of them. They're in our food, but 393 00:24:32,250 --> 00:24:35,665 you want a balance of omega 6 and omega 3. So for 394 00:24:35,665 --> 00:24:39,505 example, if you eat an egg from a pastured chicken, you'll get that 395 00:24:39,505 --> 00:24:43,345 nice balance. But if you're eating a conventional chicken, you'll have 396 00:24:43,345 --> 00:24:47,105 way more omega 6. And same with if you're eating a lot 397 00:24:47,105 --> 00:24:50,490 of industrial seed oils, they're almost 100% omega 398 00:24:50,490 --> 00:24:54,330 6. Uh-huh. But then you have people who kind of go the other 399 00:24:54,330 --> 00:24:58,170 direction and and do a lot of fish oil and they're getting too much omega 400 00:24:58,170 --> 00:25:01,785 3. It's funny because I used to make up a little, pneumonic 401 00:25:01,785 --> 00:25:05,625 thing like omega 6 makes you sick, omega 3 sets you free. But it's 402 00:25:05,625 --> 00:25:09,225 not quite that way, is it? As always, it's a 403 00:25:09,225 --> 00:25:12,985 little more complicated. You don't want too much omega 3 and you don't want too 404 00:25:12,985 --> 00:25:16,804 much omega 6. 6. You need the balance. And one time you told 405 00:25:16,804 --> 00:25:20,445 me, if you balance your food from land animals and food from 406 00:25:20,445 --> 00:25:24,086 the sea, you'll be fine. Right. That's right. You want land and 407 00:25:24,086 --> 00:25:27,728 sea. In fact, doctor Price noted that the people with the best 408 00:25:27,728 --> 00:25:31,455 bone structure had seafoods in their diet. I'll just think of it now 409 00:25:31,455 --> 00:25:34,995 as surf and turf. Surf and turf. That's perfect. Perfect. Perfect. 410 00:25:35,934 --> 00:25:39,455 What's the next principle? Is it the one on salt? This one is salt. I 411 00:25:39,455 --> 00:25:43,050 love it. Yes. So all traditional cultures had salt. In fact, 412 00:25:43,130 --> 00:25:46,810 one really interesting thing I just read that in the South 413 00:25:46,810 --> 00:25:50,490 Seas, the people in the interior grew 414 00:25:50,490 --> 00:25:54,330 the taro, and they traded with the people on the coast. And 415 00:25:54,330 --> 00:25:58,045 one of the things they traded was seawater. Oh. 416 00:25:58,045 --> 00:26:01,825 Just the water from the ocean. So that's how they got their salt. 417 00:26:02,365 --> 00:26:06,045 Fascinating. Cooked in it. Yeah. Yeah. So all 418 00:26:06,045 --> 00:26:09,805 these cultures had salt. One of the theories I have is why 419 00:26:09,805 --> 00:26:12,945 the Native Americans succumb to so much disease 420 00:26:13,670 --> 00:26:17,429 was that the salt trade was disrupted and they weren't getting 421 00:26:17,429 --> 00:26:20,870 salt because they did have a continent wide salt 422 00:26:20,870 --> 00:26:24,549 trade. But we definitely need salt. We we need a 423 00:26:24,549 --> 00:26:28,385 teaspoon and a half a day of salt to satisfy the sodium 424 00:26:28,445 --> 00:26:31,905 requirements. And one of the great things about 425 00:26:32,045 --> 00:26:35,745 modern life is that we can get salt. Yes. It's plentiful. 426 00:26:35,885 --> 00:26:39,565 It's cheap. And what's not so good 427 00:26:39,565 --> 00:26:43,300 is you have these people telling you not to eat salt. I know. 428 00:26:43,300 --> 00:26:47,060 It's such a recommendation. It's like a mantra from the physician. It's better lower 429 00:26:47,060 --> 00:26:49,960 your salt. And then there's a new additive called Cinamix, 430 00:26:51,380 --> 00:26:55,140 which people don't realize is being added to the food so they can reduce the 431 00:26:55,140 --> 00:26:58,865 salt content. And we have no idea what this does to 432 00:26:58,865 --> 00:27:02,625 the brain, this additive. But what I can tell you is if you're 433 00:27:02,625 --> 00:27:06,465 not getting enough salt in your food, even though it tastes salty, your body 434 00:27:06,465 --> 00:27:09,985 knows better and you will eat and eat and eat until you get enough 435 00:27:09,985 --> 00:27:13,650 salt. Interesting. So I think it's gonna contribute to a 436 00:27:13,650 --> 00:27:17,410 lot of obesity. And, of course, the other part of this is we 437 00:27:17,410 --> 00:27:20,930 recommend unrefined salt that has all the minerals in 438 00:27:20,930 --> 00:27:24,610 it and a lot of trace minerals in salt that we don't get anywhere 439 00:27:24,610 --> 00:27:27,975 else. And these have been taken out when the salt is refined. 440 00:27:28,595 --> 00:27:32,035 Some people get worried if they get sea salt that it might have, like, 441 00:27:32,035 --> 00:27:35,875 microplastics from the sea in it. Is there I guess you can't recommend 442 00:27:35,875 --> 00:27:38,835 a particular brand, but we need to pay attention to where we're sourcing it. Yeah. 443 00:27:38,835 --> 00:27:41,900 We have a lot of brands in the shopping guide. Some of them are mined 444 00:27:41,900 --> 00:27:45,660 salts, but, Celtic sea salt, which is from the sea, 445 00:27:45,660 --> 00:27:49,179 they've tested their salt and they which is like a trace. 446 00:27:49,179 --> 00:27:52,799 It's hardly anything. Mhmm. Plastics. 447 00:27:53,284 --> 00:27:56,645 Right. Right. Which is good. We wanna make sure to get the best source 448 00:27:56,645 --> 00:28:00,404 possible. Alright. So principle number 10. So number 10 has to 449 00:28:00,404 --> 00:28:03,865 do with cooking bones, making gelatinous 450 00:28:04,245 --> 00:28:08,070 bone broth. And I won't say it was in every culture we 451 00:28:08,070 --> 00:28:11,670 looked at, but it was in most of the cultures. The basic 452 00:28:11,670 --> 00:28:15,130 way people cooked is they had a big pot or a big shell 453 00:28:15,270 --> 00:28:18,895 or baskets lined with pitch, and they put 454 00:28:18,895 --> 00:28:22,655 water in there and either cooked with a fire or hot 455 00:28:22,655 --> 00:28:26,175 rocks, and they put all the parts of the animal 456 00:28:26,175 --> 00:28:30,015 in, including the bones and the gelatinous parts. If it was a 457 00:28:30,015 --> 00:28:33,800 bird, it would be the head and the feet. And that way, you're not only 458 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:37,340 getting protein when you eat meat, but you're getting the collagen. 459 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:41,800 And collagen is popular right now. Yes. Collagen's a big big thing 460 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:45,255 now. So, the collagen balances the meat 461 00:28:45,255 --> 00:28:48,955 proteins because your body is 50% collagen or more. 462 00:28:49,495 --> 00:28:52,875 The proteins in your body are over half are collagen. 463 00:28:53,495 --> 00:28:57,335 And the collagen is what holds you together, gives you strong joints and 464 00:28:57,335 --> 00:29:00,900 tendons, and there's a membrane of 465 00:29:00,900 --> 00:29:04,679 collagen around the muscles. So, yes, we definitely need that 466 00:29:04,980 --> 00:29:07,960 collagen. So I think a broth is melted collagen. 467 00:29:08,900 --> 00:29:12,500 And what Western cultures have done is make 468 00:29:12,500 --> 00:29:16,304 broth into kind of the the key to 469 00:29:16,605 --> 00:29:20,445 gourmet cuisine and beautiful sauces. Yeah. Gravies 470 00:29:20,445 --> 00:29:24,145 and sauces and soups. Which is so delicious. Yes. 471 00:29:24,605 --> 00:29:28,220 But I think it's good to note that broth isn't difficult 472 00:29:28,220 --> 00:29:31,580 to make because I think I used to buy the little boxes in the grocery 473 00:29:31,580 --> 00:29:35,419 store, and it's so thin and watery compared to what I can make 474 00:29:35,419 --> 00:29:39,019 at home. MSG in it too. So but it's easy to make 475 00:29:39,019 --> 00:29:42,455 brothy. All you need is a slow cooker. Right. 476 00:29:42,595 --> 00:29:46,275 And, I kind of alternate between beef broth and chicken broth. 477 00:29:46,275 --> 00:29:50,034 It's just second nature to me. It's not hard. And it's so wonderful in the 478 00:29:50,034 --> 00:29:53,715 mornings on a cold winter day. Yes. Yes. And, one 479 00:29:53,715 --> 00:29:57,280 thing that broth is really good for is the elderly. So my 480 00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:01,040 husband's not getting any younger, and I find that the elderly have 481 00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:04,880 trouble chewing meat. And when you give them 482 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:08,720 broth, it stretches the protein, goes a lot a lot 483 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:12,434 longer, and it's very satisfying for them to have the broth. Oh, it's a 484 00:30:12,434 --> 00:30:16,195 good word. They make a soup with broth and then chop the meat up 485 00:30:16,195 --> 00:30:19,255 really fine. That's perfect. Oh, awesome. 486 00:30:19,875 --> 00:30:23,315 So we're on to the last principle. You said this is one that was also 487 00:30:23,315 --> 00:30:26,980 one that doctor Price noted in his travels. You know, Hilda, this is 488 00:30:26,980 --> 00:30:30,740 so amazing. These cultures were scattered all over the world. They had 489 00:30:30,740 --> 00:30:34,420 no communication with each other. They had no science, but they 490 00:30:34,420 --> 00:30:38,100 all knew that to have healthy babies, you 491 00:30:38,100 --> 00:30:41,655 need to prepare for them and that you need certain 492 00:30:41,655 --> 00:30:45,415 nutrient dense foods. And when he looked at these foods, they were foods really 493 00:30:45,415 --> 00:30:48,395 high and, you guessed it, a, b, and k. 494 00:30:49,174 --> 00:30:52,679 And let's just talk about vitamin a for a minute because the 495 00:30:52,679 --> 00:30:56,380 science confirms this in such a wonderful way. 496 00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:00,779 So when you get pregnant and the embryo starts to grow, 497 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:04,600 these are in the first few days, it's just stem 498 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:08,355 cells. Those are undifferentiated cells. And 499 00:31:08,355 --> 00:31:11,735 then the stem cells start to differentiate 500 00:31:12,275 --> 00:31:16,035 Right. And they become heart cells and lung cells. And so what 501 00:31:16,035 --> 00:31:19,820 causes that differentiation? It is vitamin a. 502 00:31:19,820 --> 00:31:23,580 Yes. Yay. Vitamin a. Vitamin a is the concert master 503 00:31:23,580 --> 00:31:27,259 of fetal development. And in traditional cultures, they would have 504 00:31:27,259 --> 00:31:30,480 been eating a lot of foods rich in vitamin a like liver 505 00:31:31,205 --> 00:31:34,185 or fish heads or whatever, butter, 506 00:31:35,445 --> 00:31:38,505 before you get pregnant. So once that 507 00:31:38,885 --> 00:31:42,345 process starts, you have a lot of vitamin a available 508 00:31:43,140 --> 00:31:46,680 and there won't be any birth defects. Everything will go according to plan. 509 00:31:47,860 --> 00:31:51,620 If you wait until you're pregnant and then say, oh, 510 00:31:51,620 --> 00:31:55,140 I'm gonna take a prenatal or something. It's too late. This that 511 00:31:55,140 --> 00:31:58,685 differentiation, that building of the different organs has already 512 00:31:58,685 --> 00:32:02,465 started. Mhmm. And so the first organ to start is the heart. 513 00:32:02,925 --> 00:32:06,605 And if there's not enough vitamin a available, the heart will not develop 514 00:32:06,605 --> 00:32:10,410 properly. That's what happened to me, as you know. I think my 515 00:32:10,410 --> 00:32:13,290 mother's vitamin a stores were low and I was born with a hole in my 516 00:32:13,290 --> 00:32:16,830 heart. Yeah. It's very common today. Yeah. So 517 00:32:16,970 --> 00:32:20,270 not only that, not only did they prepare for pregnancy 518 00:32:21,050 --> 00:32:24,490 and continue these highly nutrient dense foods throughout 519 00:32:24,490 --> 00:32:28,295 pregnancy, breastfeeding, and the growth of the child. And see, 520 00:32:28,435 --> 00:32:31,895 they understood that this was the time when you needed the most nutrition. 521 00:32:32,035 --> 00:32:35,875 Mhmm. And you can improve your health when you're older 522 00:32:35,875 --> 00:32:39,475 by changing things, but you can't change your structure. That's 523 00:32:39,475 --> 00:32:43,230 already happened. So that's when these nutrient dense foods are just 524 00:32:43,230 --> 00:32:46,990 vital. Mhmm. So, but the other thing was they 525 00:32:46,990 --> 00:32:50,750 space their children. It was considered shameful to have a 526 00:32:50,750 --> 00:32:54,269 child more than once every 3 years. And if you were in a 527 00:32:54,269 --> 00:32:58,005 village in Africa or the South Seas, you couldn't go anywhere 528 00:32:58,005 --> 00:33:01,685 else. You didn't wanna be shamed by your village when they're pointing their 529 00:33:01,685 --> 00:33:05,285 fingers at you saying, oh, she didn't care. She didn't care about 530 00:33:05,285 --> 00:33:08,965 having healthy children. Why is that important do you think, the spacing, Sally? 531 00:33:08,965 --> 00:33:12,360 Well, the spacing allows the mother to recover her nutritional 532 00:33:12,660 --> 00:33:16,020 stores and gives her time to build 533 00:33:16,020 --> 00:33:19,860 up with a preconceptual diet and so forth. And 534 00:33:19,860 --> 00:33:23,380 don't forget, she's also breastfeeding. And this is a a 535 00:33:23,380 --> 00:33:26,665 big stress for the mother, nutritional stress. 536 00:33:27,365 --> 00:33:30,725 So she needs to get to the point where the baby is not getting so 537 00:33:30,725 --> 00:33:34,565 much of its diet from the breast milk and then do 538 00:33:34,565 --> 00:33:38,290 the preconceptual diet to prepare again. Yeah. Well, I didn't 539 00:33:38,290 --> 00:33:41,890 know about this principle when I was pregnant with 1 kid and I was 540 00:33:41,890 --> 00:33:45,090 nursing another and I was like, oh my gosh. I'm feeding 3 people right now. 541 00:33:45,090 --> 00:33:48,770 It did feel like a lot. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And you 542 00:33:48,770 --> 00:33:52,495 don't need to do that to yourselves. One thing I'm concerned about is 543 00:33:52,495 --> 00:33:55,075 this idea that we should be exclusively breastfeeding. 544 00:33:56,495 --> 00:33:59,935 Traditional cultures did most of them, not all, most of them 545 00:33:59,935 --> 00:34:03,535 breastfed for a number of years or at least until 546 00:34:03,535 --> 00:34:06,930 they came pregnant with a second child. But they 547 00:34:06,930 --> 00:34:10,610 didn't exclusively breastfeed. In fact, in some cultures, they 548 00:34:10,610 --> 00:34:14,449 started solid food at 1 month. Oh, wow. Yeah. And certainly 549 00:34:14,449 --> 00:34:17,864 by 6 months Mhmm. They were all giving solid food. 550 00:34:18,744 --> 00:34:22,344 Do you think there's, resistance to giving the child food because we 551 00:34:22,344 --> 00:34:26,025 think breast is best, I guess? Yes. So we've kind of gone from one extreme 552 00:34:26,025 --> 00:34:28,605 to the other. We've gone from no breastfeeding to 553 00:34:29,385 --> 00:34:32,685 exclusive breastfeeding. And what happens is the babies become anemic 554 00:34:33,469 --> 00:34:37,069 because by 6 months, that baby needs extra iron and 555 00:34:37,069 --> 00:34:40,909 breast milk is not high in iron. It's got little, but not 556 00:34:40,909 --> 00:34:44,670 enough for this developing baby. And the first foods 557 00:34:44,670 --> 00:34:48,255 for infants tend to be high iron foods like liver or egg 558 00:34:48,255 --> 00:34:52,034 yolks or something like that. So as we start to wrap up, Sally, 559 00:34:52,255 --> 00:34:55,295 what do you think is important for people to keep in mind when they consider 560 00:34:55,295 --> 00:34:58,575 the wise traditions diet? What what if part of it doesn't appeal to them? If 561 00:34:58,575 --> 00:35:01,820 I'm like, oh, I don't know about ferments or I don't have those in my 562 00:35:01,820 --> 00:35:05,340 diet or I can't balance the omega threes and omega sixes. Yep. Well, 563 00:35:05,340 --> 00:35:08,780 just do the best you can. Start somewhere. So that's why. And I think the 564 00:35:08,780 --> 00:35:12,300 first thing is go from processed food to real 565 00:35:12,300 --> 00:35:16,015 food. Processed food to real food. And most of these will sort of 566 00:35:16,015 --> 00:35:19,855 happen by themselves. That's right. Over time. Number 1 is probably a 567 00:35:19,855 --> 00:35:23,695 good one to start with. You're right. And, get off the 568 00:35:23,695 --> 00:35:27,535 sugar. And it's very interesting. I wrote an article 569 00:35:27,535 --> 00:35:31,240 about this recently. There was a study done where they got 570 00:35:31,240 --> 00:35:35,000 these rats addicted to sugar. They had sugar water and they kept going for 571 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:38,760 the sugar water. And then they gave the rats a diet 572 00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:42,425 that was 40% large, and they didn't want the sugar 573 00:35:42,425 --> 00:35:46,025 water anymore. Ah. And the researchers were very upset about 574 00:35:46,025 --> 00:35:49,785 this. These rats didn't they called it a chronic high fat diet. The 575 00:35:49,785 --> 00:35:53,165 rats didn't want their palatable sweet foods. 576 00:35:53,705 --> 00:35:57,260 Okay? But most of us are struggling with sugar addiction, 577 00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:01,560 and it's really good to know that if you just increase your fat 578 00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:05,260 content, these cravings will they'll eventually subside. 579 00:36:06,905 --> 00:36:10,365 Very good to know. Very encouraging in this day and age where sugar is ubiquitous. 580 00:36:10,505 --> 00:36:14,265 It's just ubiquitous and it's hard to resist. So 581 00:36:14,265 --> 00:36:16,665 I wanna ask you the question I love to pose at the end. It might 582 00:36:16,665 --> 00:36:20,425 be related to these principles or not. If the listener could do one thing to 583 00:36:20,425 --> 00:36:24,182 improve their health, what would you recommend that they do? Butter. Yes. 584 00:36:24,182 --> 00:36:27,981 Eat more butter. Don't be afraid of butter. It's the most 585 00:36:27,981 --> 00:36:31,779 perfect fat in nature. It is the fat for the growth 586 00:36:31,779 --> 00:36:35,578 and development of all mammals. There can't be anything wrong with 587 00:36:35,578 --> 00:36:39,325 it for children or adults. And if it comes from grass fed animals, 588 00:36:39,385 --> 00:36:42,684 so much the better. And you know what? Most supermarkets 589 00:36:43,224 --> 00:36:47,065 carry grass fed butter. So this is another thing that's new and 590 00:36:47,065 --> 00:36:50,665 it's really good. We should celebrate this. So I couldn't get grass fed 591 00:36:50,665 --> 00:36:54,440 butter when my kids were growing up. Wow. But now there's several brands. 592 00:36:54,740 --> 00:36:57,940 That's excellent. Well, thank you for your time today. It's been a pleasure. Thank you, 593 00:36:57,940 --> 00:37:01,700 Hilda. Always great to be with you. Our guest today was Sally 594 00:37:01,700 --> 00:37:04,760 Falamarel. 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