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Claude Code is taking over
the world one skill at a time.

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That's right.

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The masses are getting Claude
Peeled and we will show you some

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new skills that surprised even us

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from editing slick promotional
videos with Remotion to spinning

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up a fleet of programmers to do
your bidding while you sleep.

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You're gonna blow through your
$200 Claude Code Max subscription,

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and you're gonna like it.

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And.

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Have just fun experiments to show your
wife when she asks you about the API bill.

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It's okay.

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I can hear her zipping her suitcase.

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Also, anthropic co-founder, Dario Emoti
dropped into that little Davos conference

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to tell us all again how that thing
they're making will take all of our gers.

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I think, I don't know, we might
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the model is doing most, maybe
all of what Swes do end to end.

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And then it's a question of
how fast does that loop close?

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Plus Apple's new AI is coming this year
and they're making an AI wearable pin.

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Tim Cook is in his humane era,

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plus new AI video tools from LTX
and Runway, and Google DeepMind

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has some new research that
will make all AI video better,

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and as a bonus, an AI monk who's
got more internet juice than you.

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And we learn what Real life Street
fighter poses might look like,

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or more importantly, we learn
what we would look like as

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street fighter characters.

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This is AI for humans.

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Welcome to AI for Humans.

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It's your weekly guide into
the wonderful world of ai.

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And Kevin, this week, Claude
Code has basically taken over

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our feeds, the internet, our
computers, it's done everything.

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Claude continues to keep growing in
use and like, I'm kind of shocked

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right now to see how big this moment
has gotten, especially for a company

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that you kind of thought was very
nerdy and focused on, specifically

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on kind of work and coding tools.

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Are you, are you kind of surprised
by how big this has gotten?

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Um, no, I, I look, I, I, I
was Claude Pilled like a year

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ago, a long time ago ish.

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Like, I feel like it was a long while ago.

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Um, I am surprised that they are
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I would've thought that OpenAI or
even, you know, Google who's trying

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to do their anti-gravity thing.

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E, E even Cursor and Swift, the big, you
know, IDs, uh, nobody seems to be grabbing

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the attention like Claude is right now.

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And as we're about to get into with the
addition of these skills launching, it

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seems like each and every day people
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makes me feel like they're going to have.

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A moat and escape velocity that OpenAI
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So there's a lot to discuss, including
what the team has been saying while

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away, uh, things that they're building.

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So let's dive into it all.

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Yeah, let's, I mean, let's start
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was at, uh, Davos this week.

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And Davos, as you may know, is the.

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World's elite coming together, or as
many people in our audience might think

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of as the lizard people's visit, uh,
lizard people space on a planet Earth.

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That's right.

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The lizard people got together and
talked about the future of what all

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of our lives are gonna look like.

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But Dario was there, uh, in, in chat with
de aas the leader of Google DeepMind.

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And Kevin, if you remember one thing
before we jump into this, remember

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last year when they did this exact same
interview and they were sitting on that

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little tiny couch next to each other?

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Well, this year.

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They figured out chairs better,
so let's take a look at them.

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Oh, good.

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Let's what enough.

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Let listen.

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Let's take a listen to
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we are now in terms of, you
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I have engineers within Anthropic who
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I just, I just let the
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I edit it, I do the things around it.

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I think, I don't know, we might be
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model is doing most, maybe all of what.

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SW do end to end, and then it's a
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Sw as in

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software engineer?

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That's like that.

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It's not like a, a fake.

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hiphop star from the nineties was sw.

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He was great, but he was
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I love sw by the way, it is funny that
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six, in six to 12 months, X will happen.

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he said something like in six months.

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We would see like 50 or six to 12 months,
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automated by which we can dive into,
but like maybe true based on kind of

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what we're seeing with this stuff.

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But Kev, I think the interesting
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cloud dis discussion specifically,
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Has to do with writing code directly.

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When you heard him say that,
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I'm not surprised at all.

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I think, you know, hot take, I think
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um, halfway through the year or maybe
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That's good

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math.

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You're, you're

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doing math

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Oh, did you, did that one?

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That one guy.

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I just wanna keep laughing.

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I just wanted to keep laughing
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No l lm will be able to pull that off.

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How many Rs are in my strawberry?

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I think, um, I'm not surprised
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I think that's happening across the board.

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clean, that it's deployable, that it's
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your, for your enterprise, I think
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I worry about the junior level
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because the code that they would
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the, the machines are spitting out
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That if you are listening to this now
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becoming an engineer or whatever, um, and
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have to adopt the latest and greatest
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edge that's going to get you in.

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It won't be, yeah.

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Your ability to review the software with
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code and all this experience that you've
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to use the latest and greatest tools.

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To quickly sprint so that
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can go and review your work.

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Yeah, it's very, very odd that
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What's interesting is, and I've said this
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of middle lane for people in jobs is gonna
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There will be these kind of entry
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be individuals making things
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that can come in, the people that met
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that middle ground, which was all these
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people, all of us kind of mid wit, people
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the jobs will slowly start to go away.

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One thing that's really important
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familiarity with what these things can
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Because I think the thing that I keep
thinking about with these tools, and

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again we're gonna talk about why cloud
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in some of these things it can do now,
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more cranks, at least on like kind.

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State-of-the-art frontier
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So if you think, when we look back at
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fast time moves and how quickly it goes.

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Opus five, which Opus 4.5 is what
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you know, Claude Code right now.

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Cloud five is definitely gonna
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If not, Claude 5.5, right?

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In addition to that, you're gonna have.

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GPT, whatever, and you're gonna
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things, and they will get better.

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And the one thing that I can almost
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good at is this is writing code.

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conversation with DA at Davos, with
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They talk a little bit about like what
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heard, this idea that it will be
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of us in our audience, you know,
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which is recursive self-learning.

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Meaning that it can teach
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That is this kind of hockey stick
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talking about in the AI space.

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It's very possible that by late 2026
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of idea of a AI software engineer is
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like a game changer across the board.

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The, they're already using the
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to improve the tool itself.

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Like a lot of aspects of Claude
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written by the machine itself.

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And, and as soon as they can hopefully
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loop and just press run and let it go.

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What will that look like for us
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every time we launch an app?

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It's better than the
last time we launched it.

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Not like every, and we
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Right, right.

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So everybody, even the Wall Street Journal
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Finally turned on to this amazing tool.

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Um, but why is it getting so much better?

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It's the skills and it's
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was me, clearly Kevin.

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I talked about it last
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Everybody in our audience.

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Went out to all their important people
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They got got the percell

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The bigger thing, Kevin, that I'm
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now is you're seeing a lot of people
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things that are now connecting
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And if you're not familiar
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it's kind of a nebulous idea.

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But basically it's kind of a,
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And I think Kevin, the more, most
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into, to start here, because this
is the one that I saw and my God,

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I saw way too many people tweeting,
motion designers are, are cooked.

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Right?

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Like that was the line.

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Literally motion designers are cooked.

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Yes.

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But Remotion, which is a very cool piece
of software that allows you to use code

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to create edits, has ha is having a
moment, like literally right now today.

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Um, Kev, have you played
around with this at all?

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Have you seen it?

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Do you know, uh, describe a
little bit of what this is for

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our listeners and watchers here.

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Yeah, it's like if you're familiar
with After Effects, basically, um, or

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even old Flash from back in the day,
this is using code to make programmatic

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animations and effects and, uh, remotion
by the hashtag, not an ad, not a

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sponsorship, just something that has
to happens to be popping off right now.

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Um, you know, remotion has plenty
of examples of why you would want

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to use their software stack to make.

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Typography, kinetic typography, which
is where you see like text animating

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in or moving about, bouncing about.

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Um, even making 2D ish, 3D
ish animations come to life.

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It's all with code, which makes
it really dynamic and flexible.

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So if you wanna make.

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A video and then have it update
based off of user input or

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their profile or preferences.

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Very, very easy to do, very
flexible and pretty lightweight.

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And what they did, um, is essentially,
as you said, give Claude the

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skill to access the Remotion API.

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Well, okay.

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What does that mean to anybody who
doesn't know anything about anything?

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That means you can go
to Claude Code and say.

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Make me a 32nd promo for my website.

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Mm-hmm.

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And link the website and then sit back.

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It will not be epic.

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It will not be a reason to fire
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be, uh, a pretty remarkable result.

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Based off of where we were six
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it will generate you a video.

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It'll crawl, grab the elements
from your website, put color you,

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it can create music and sound
effects to go along with it.

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And then you can use
natural language to edit.

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And this is the promise of
all of these things, right?

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Where you can just, yes.

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If you, if you're like me and you
talk to your machine, you can say.

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Hey, I don't like the font at five
seconds in and at 10 seconds, I want

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there to be a little sheen and spin
it around and drop it on the beat.

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Like you can use natural
language and it will edit.

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Yeah, I will say, uh uh, I have
something to say about all that.

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But first I wanna show, there's a
really cool example by a guy named

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Justin M Fur, Guria Goya, uh, who
actually created a product video

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for his sort of, for his brand.

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And what was very cool is that
Remotion was able to kind of like.

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Edit on a beat.

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So one of the things that you know is
if you've edited any sort of things

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is like editing on beats, especially
if it's quick cuts, is really

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annoying because you have to find it.

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There's probably plugins I know for After
Effects or things like that that you

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can use, but if you ever try to do that
manually by hand, it's very difficult.

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Uh, I want to take a moment to,
uh, call this, uh, caveman Corner,

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which is Gavin's Capeman Corner.

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So little Oh, okay.

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Graphic here.

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Gavin's keeping in corner is, this
is what it looks like as a, a kind

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of a non-technical person to kind
of like open this up in cloud code.

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Kevin, I did this, I tried it,
um, and I kind of asked it.

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I said, okay, make an AI for
Humans promo for this week, right?

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And so what it basically did is it created
a timeline and it pops up in a window

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and it took a couple times for it to make
sure it was in the right place and all

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the stuff was there and it created it.

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And I said, grab.

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You know, the logo from this, use
this screenshot that I gave it of

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a YouTube video and then like, make
a thing about Remotion is gonna

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be in depth on the show this week.

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And, uh, I'll show it to people here.

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I'll, I'll grab it, uh, for the audience.

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But like, it did okay, like I would say
like it wasn't great and then I tried

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to do a couple very simple fixes to it.

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I think the biggest thing
to know what this is.

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First of all, lots of people are
sharing their prompts online.

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If you see something you like, it might be
easier to start from something like that.

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To start from something you know you like.

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Because it's not as simple as like,
it's not like a magic system where you

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just say, make me a great promo video.

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You still have to give it direction.

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You still have to make sure
that it's finding the files.

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So there's a little bit of a learner's
curve here, but I think it's a good

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project for y'all to spend, you
know, this weekend just kind of like.

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Look at what a plugin like
this can do with cloud code and

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then feel that back and forth.

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The other side, Kevin, I'll say, is
that I'm only on a pro subscription

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for Claude, and I'm gonna probably
have to bump up to a max at some point.

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Welcome to Max Baby.

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I'm, I'm using Sonnet rather than
Opus, so I save myself some tokens.

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Oh, okay.

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Yeah, that might be part of it as well.

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So I think this is one of those things
where like you see a lot of people doing

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these incredible things with it, and if
you're not getting the exact same results.

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You may have to use Opus 4.5, which is
much more expensive, and it may blow

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through your tokens pretty quickly.

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Yeah.

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Um, ple, I mean, we should all just have
like little, uh, I guess little silver

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trays that we can hold up to our chins as
we beg and plead for just a Exactly, yes.

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More precious tokens.

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There is, um, along those lines, last
thing I'll say for the remotion, um,

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and we'll link it in our show notes.

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They have a video showing how they
made their official promo video.

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Yes.

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And you can see like there's a
gorgeous effect of like a, a, a

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terminal window coming up in 3D
and rotating with a graphic that

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animates on, and then it flops down.

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That took 15, 20 prompts.

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Yes.

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And some massaging.

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So this isn't the one shot, one kill
sort of approach, but I highly recommend

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watching their video and they also have
their full prompt history available.

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If you look at that, you
can kind of deconstruct.

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How they use the code.

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Again, it's early days,
but how they use it.

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Yeah.

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And then how you can reconstruct
it for your own purposes.

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Um, that's just one example.

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People are still bolting on all
sorts of stuff to Claude, one

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thing that you wanted to shout out
was this infinite design canvas.

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Yeah, this is from a company called
Pencil that actually was in the same speed

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run cohort that, uh, we were in with.

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And then, uh, and it's got Tom,
who's the CEO of it, basically pencil

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is like trying to use a code to
make AI Desi to do design better.

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And it's a web, uh, ui and essentially
this is a CLO plugin for his tool.

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And it's just very cool.

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Like it's another chance for you to see,
okay, if Claude can plug into this tool

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that's already been created, but now I
can in, in real time in natural language.

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P code this thing, use this thing
to kind of create stuff for me, it

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just gives you an additional kind
of element to kind of play with.

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I also wanna shout out if you're playing
with cloud code this weekend in some

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way and you wanna do a thing like a
personal website or anything else that

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like is something a small project.

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Kevin pointed this out last week,
but like the front end plugin is

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very useful for cloud code because
that allows you to do better design.

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This is just another example of like
an expansion of design off of that.

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And if you're looking to do a larger
project like a. Like a web app or even

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an iPhone app to make different screens.

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This is a really interesting way in on it.

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Huge shout out to pencil, by the way.

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So it is an app that you can download
that lets you unlock all these features.

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Imagine Figma or Photoshop reacting in
real time, and it communicates very well

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via MCP with whatever your IDE of choices.

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If all those buzzwords scare you, just
grab it and start dragging things around

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and clicking and know that it will make it

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a website for you.

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Just come back for
caveman, caveman education.

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That's right.

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We'll be here for you.

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We'll be here for you
with caveman education.

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The last thing we should
talk about here is.

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There's a big moment that, uh,
compound engineering is having.

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Uh, right now.

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This is a plugin created by
one of the guys over at Evry.

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Um, but Kevin, talk a little bit
about what compound engineering is

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and why people are buzzing about it.

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I know you have been doing some version
of this on your own for a while.

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Yeah.

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Uh, what's interesting about this and
why specifically is it interesting now

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within cloud code and how could some of
our audience at home maybe go try this?

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Yeah, I look the, the core
tenets of compound engineering

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are nothing really new.

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I think what they did was make it, you
know, for command accessible to everybody.

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So there are, if you install it and the
instructions are there on their site,

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it's, it's really, really turnkey.

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There's four essential
commands that you need.

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One is plan.

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What do we think that phase is?

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Gavin?

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I'll tell you 'cause
you were sipping It is.

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Planning the design of your document.

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And, and if you ever work with any of
these agentic coding tools, you spend

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the bulk of your time making the plan.

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Yeah.

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And the better your plan is, you know,
the more direction the agents will have,

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the less mistakes and hallucinating and
kind of their own design decisions they

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will make, the better your plan is.

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Right.

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So yes, uh, 80% of your job is
to now plan, so you get to, uh.

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Uh, basically fire yourself as a a
coder and hire yourself as a manager.

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Congratulations.

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The second phase work, that is where
you hit go and you go get your latte,

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uh, maybe you check in on the go,
you come back, your work is done.

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Then the third command, which is
assess, which is basically like,

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all right, did you make a mess?

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What kind of mess did you make?

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Go clean it up.

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Yeah.

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But then the, the real genius, if you
will, is the compound phase, right?

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So we.

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Plan, work, assess.

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Now we compound, which is make sure
you never fix the same bug twice.

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Yes.

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Usually in coding, when you add a
feature, it becomes a liability,

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something new to break a new dependency
that can go wonky, et cetera.

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The, the theory here is that every
time you build a new feature, you

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actually, uh, made your life easier.

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You it's interest in a savings
account because there were

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some learnings along the way.

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Yeah.

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And so you tell the ai Okay.

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We've, we've assessed our
work, we've verified it's good.

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Every mistake you made along
the way, leave a little note

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so you don't make it again.

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Yeah.

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And you compound your work.

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And so that's the loop, right?

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That's, that's like software
engineering in this new era.

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And if you are scared about each one
of those phases, this is one little

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slash command that you can easily run.

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That's, you know, it's trustable,
it's secure, it will kind of

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handhold you through each phase.

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Yeah, I mean, I've been thinking a
lot lately about this game idea that

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I've had for a while and I, maybe I
mentioned it on Hero, but like I'm

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just obsessed with games like tro.

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And by the way, I don't know if
I've told you this, but Clover Pit,

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I got so deep into finally, I know
you suggested it to me forever ago.

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Yeah.

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But like that game, Clover Pit's great.

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Right.

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It's just very, there's a lot.

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There's that layers of deep.

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So I've been, did wait, hold,

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did you escape the room yet?

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So here's the thing.

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Spoiler, maybe spoiler, I, I, I mostly
have avoided the stupid, uh, uh, uh,

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whatever you call it, skeleton mo things.

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I, I dump those.

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I'm not, I'm more interested in
like how high my score can get.

468
00:20:17,700 --> 00:20:20,190
And I did get to like whatever
level of 15, which is like

469
00:20:20,190 --> 00:20:22,020
multiple E at this point.

470
00:20:22,140 --> 00:20:22,200
Yeah.

471
00:20:22,260 --> 00:20:23,340
So anyway, I think I'm done with it.

472
00:20:23,340 --> 00:20:25,170
I think I, I think I'm through it finally.

473
00:20:25,170 --> 00:20:27,330
But it was like a good
like month of like my life.

474
00:20:27,330 --> 00:20:27,985
It's a cool weight game game.

475
00:20:28,515 --> 00:20:31,275
Yeah, I've been thinking lately
about like, I love NFL football.

476
00:20:31,425 --> 00:20:33,795
Seahawks are doing really well, but
I've been thinking a lot about this idea

477
00:20:33,795 --> 00:20:37,665
of like, what would it look like to do
almost like a tech mo bowl meets TRO

478
00:20:37,665 --> 00:20:42,675
sort of thing where, oh, the cards are
plays and the players can be upgraded.

479
00:20:42,675 --> 00:20:43,095
I love that.

480
00:20:43,125 --> 00:20:46,455
Well, now you can get three passes
as the quarterback or the, the

481
00:20:46,460 --> 00:20:46,660
Yeah, no, exactly.

482
00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:47,865
The receiver can go three

483
00:20:47,865 --> 00:20:48,675
seconds early.

484
00:20:48,675 --> 00:20:50,145
Each round is a game, right?

485
00:20:50,145 --> 00:20:53,535
Like I, that's a game game of football,
like, and there's a season sort of thing.

486
00:20:53,535 --> 00:20:54,625
Anyway, I've been thinking a lot about it.

487
00:20:54,625 --> 00:20:56,205
Love, and so one of the things
I've been thinking about is

488
00:20:56,205 --> 00:20:57,345
like, if I wanna make this.

489
00:20:57,885 --> 00:21:00,195
I need to start thinking about
that whole aspect of like, it's

490
00:21:00,195 --> 00:21:01,395
a pretty big project, right?

491
00:21:01,395 --> 00:21:04,275
Because it's not something that's like
a personal website where like I'm able

492
00:21:04,275 --> 00:21:06,045
to do it in kind of a couple shots.

493
00:21:06,105 --> 00:21:09,075
This is the sort of thing that if you're
out there thinking of something larger.

494
00:21:09,435 --> 00:21:12,135
This is a good, really important
thing, the planning part especially.

495
00:21:12,135 --> 00:21:15,675
But then, you know, making sure that
you don't just go into a, a cloud code

496
00:21:15,675 --> 00:21:19,095
project, just thinking like, oh, I'm just
gonna say a prompt and it'll be finished.

497
00:21:19,095 --> 00:21:21,555
Like this allows you to
do more complicated stuff.

498
00:21:21,825 --> 00:21:25,305
And to your point, like people have been
doing these kind of multiple agents spin

499
00:21:25,305 --> 00:21:27,375
ups before, but this makes it dead simple.

500
00:21:27,375 --> 00:21:29,175
And I think I will shout
out the every team.

501
00:21:29,175 --> 00:21:31,995
I think that's one thing that those
guys do a great job of in general Yes.

502
00:21:31,995 --> 00:21:35,265
Is that they take these very
complicated things and they're making

503
00:21:35,265 --> 00:21:38,955
them pretty accessible for a, for a
curious audience of AI enthusiast.

504
00:21:39,015 --> 00:21:39,495
Let's say.

505
00:21:40,064 --> 00:21:40,604
I love it.

506
00:21:40,635 --> 00:21:42,915
I think that, by the way,
I love that game idea.

507
00:21:42,915 --> 00:21:43,520
Like we love

508
00:21:43,875 --> 00:21:44,354
to jam on that.

509
00:21:44,504 --> 00:21:45,360
I think that really fun.

510
00:21:45,360 --> 00:21:45,370
Really?

511
00:21:45,370 --> 00:21:48,405
Because it's like to me like that,
that, that, anyway, don't steal it.

512
00:21:48,405 --> 00:21:49,754
Audience, please don't steal it.

513
00:21:50,534 --> 00:21:53,205
How about instead of not stealing
it, if you've got time and

514
00:21:53,205 --> 00:21:55,185
talent to lend to Gavin Oh yeah.

515
00:21:55,185 --> 00:21:55,719
And you want to help out.

516
00:21:56,105 --> 00:21:56,165
Yeah.

517
00:21:56,165 --> 00:21:56,345
Love that.

518
00:21:56,645 --> 00:21:57,935
He's gonna do a lot of hard art.

519
00:21:57,935 --> 00:21:59,855
He's gonna need some pixel art,
he's gonna need some stuff.

520
00:21:59,885 --> 00:21:59,945
Yeah.

521
00:22:00,005 --> 00:22:03,905
And again, the more humans Gavin
can replace, the happier he is,

522
00:22:03,905 --> 00:22:05,675
because that is the mission of ai.

523
00:22:05,855 --> 00:22:07,385
Like it is the mission.

524
00:22:07,745 --> 00:22:07,835
Yes.

525
00:22:07,895 --> 00:22:10,055
It breaks my heart that
it's like, it's so clear.

526
00:22:10,085 --> 00:22:13,205
Like I, I'm not trying
to forgive all the sins.

527
00:22:13,205 --> 00:22:16,205
You and I don't try to do that, but
we do try to, I guess, celebrate

528
00:22:16,205 --> 00:22:17,645
more than hate on this podcast.

529
00:22:17,645 --> 00:22:17,735
Sure.

530
00:22:17,735 --> 00:22:17,795
Yeah.

531
00:22:17,795 --> 00:22:18,275
Obviously.

532
00:22:18,455 --> 00:22:20,795
But like here it is like, oh,
you have an idea for something.

533
00:22:20,795 --> 00:22:20,885
Yes.

534
00:22:21,125 --> 00:22:22,625
That something would've just been.

535
00:22:23,085 --> 00:22:25,544
Maybe a, a whisper into a notes document.

536
00:22:25,544 --> 00:22:25,605
Yeah.

537
00:22:25,605 --> 00:22:26,804
Five years ago, and that would've been it.

538
00:22:26,804 --> 00:22:27,375
But here.

539
00:22:27,735 --> 00:22:30,345
You almost have line of sight
on building the foundation.

540
00:22:30,345 --> 00:22:30,435
Yes.

541
00:22:30,495 --> 00:22:33,555
And if you can recruit some other
humans to help along the way Totally.

542
00:22:33,555 --> 00:22:35,355
They can use tools totally.

543
00:22:35,355 --> 00:22:38,535
Where one skilled designer can make
all of the card art for you and

544
00:22:38,535 --> 00:22:41,085
one skilled musician can make all
the sound effects and everything.

545
00:22:41,115 --> 00:22:41,685
I love that.

546
00:22:41,685 --> 00:22:42,524
I wanna see it happen.

547
00:22:42,815 --> 00:22:43,205
Yeah.

548
00:22:43,235 --> 00:22:43,685
Um, okay.

549
00:22:43,685 --> 00:22:45,755
Before we move on for this, just
a quick shout out to, there's a

550
00:22:45,755 --> 00:22:48,065
creator out there named Matt Poco.

551
00:22:48,065 --> 00:22:50,735
K and he's been doing some
great long form videos.

552
00:22:51,005 --> 00:22:53,135
I saw your eyes there, poco.

553
00:22:53,345 --> 00:22:55,805
K Uh, there's a Don't say that too fast.

554
00:22:55,805 --> 00:22:56,495
I'm sorry, Matt.

555
00:22:56,495 --> 00:22:57,605
We're not making fun of your name.

556
00:22:57,605 --> 00:23:01,145
We don't make fun of people's names here,
uh, but you should watch his videos.

557
00:23:01,145 --> 00:23:01,985
They're very good.

558
00:23:01,985 --> 00:23:04,835
He's gotten a lot of attention lately
for just how good his claw videos are.

559
00:23:04,835 --> 00:23:05,675
I think they're great.

560
00:23:06,435 --> 00:23:10,425
Kevin, we should move on to talk quickly
about Anthropics new Constitution,

561
00:23:10,725 --> 00:23:14,745
which is the final kind of the
kind of final wrap up on Claude

562
00:23:14,745 --> 00:23:16,304
this week, our big Claude Roundup.

563
00:23:16,665 --> 00:23:18,105
And Kev, this is an interesting thing.

564
00:23:18,105 --> 00:23:21,945
So Anthropic, as we know as a company,
has been very safety obsessed, right?

565
00:23:21,945 --> 00:23:25,455
In fact, there's another interesting piece
of, uh, research they just released about

566
00:23:25,460 --> 00:23:28,574
how they're trying to make sure that their
assistants don't get personalities, which.

567
00:23:28,995 --> 00:23:32,295
I don't necessarily love, but I understand
why they're saying they don't want that.

568
00:23:32,295 --> 00:23:35,205
They don't want to kind of start behaving
like something that isn't what they

569
00:23:35,205 --> 00:23:37,185
want, which is only a helpful assistant.

570
00:23:37,605 --> 00:23:41,655
This is a constitution for Claude, the
chat bot, and this is a long document.

571
00:23:41,655 --> 00:23:44,355
We don't have to go deep into this,
but there's a lot in this that

572
00:23:44,355 --> 00:23:47,775
will tell you kind of like how
Anthropic is approaching the kind

573
00:23:47,775 --> 00:23:49,515
of next generation of this software.

574
00:23:49,725 --> 00:23:49,875
Yeah.

575
00:23:49,905 --> 00:23:53,595
All of this is interestingly kind
of pointing to a world where.

576
00:23:54,135 --> 00:23:57,255
These not only get much smarter,
Kevin, but there's a little, couple

577
00:23:57,255 --> 00:23:59,750
little moments in this where you
kind of get the sense of like, oh.

578
00:24:00,495 --> 00:24:05,715
It may be getting some sort of sense of
like awareness about the itself and that

579
00:24:05,715 --> 00:24:09,375
these are getting smarter and smarter
and I think it's worth everybody in

580
00:24:09,375 --> 00:24:10,665
our audience going to read this thing.

581
00:24:10,665 --> 00:24:12,045
It's long, it's like dense.

582
00:24:12,045 --> 00:24:13,004
Even worse case, it's

583
00:24:13,004 --> 00:24:15,315
only, it's a quick 15,000 worder.

584
00:24:15,435 --> 00:24:17,565
You can skim it, you'll be fine.

585
00:24:17,655 --> 00:24:23,415
They want Claude to be a brilliant friend
and a doctor with a lawyer's expertise

586
00:24:23,415 --> 00:24:25,215
and infinite patients, but they're.

587
00:24:25,575 --> 00:24:29,295
They're building this guideline in
the hopes that, uh, you know, that

588
00:24:29,295 --> 00:24:33,015
it chooses to, um, guide its own life

589
00:24:33,165 --> 00:24:33,465
Yes.

590
00:24:33,465 --> 00:24:34,905
By these rules, right?

591
00:24:34,905 --> 00:24:35,235
Yes.

592
00:24:35,295 --> 00:24:37,605
Don't, don't undermine
human insight as one.

593
00:24:37,605 --> 00:24:38,565
Be ethical.

594
00:24:38,655 --> 00:24:40,215
Follow philanthropics guidelines.

595
00:24:40,215 --> 00:24:41,565
Do as daddy tells you.

596
00:24:41,625 --> 00:24:41,835
Yes.

597
00:24:41,865 --> 00:24:43,635
Uh, always be helpful.

598
00:24:43,815 --> 00:24:44,625
All that stuff.

599
00:24:44,685 --> 00:24:47,115
And they're just, this is the, Hey, we're.

600
00:24:47,265 --> 00:24:51,225
Pushing the bicycle along and
hoping it stays upright on its own.

601
00:24:51,705 --> 00:24:55,305
Uh, like are they doing this to preach
the bag Gavin, and be like, oh, look

602
00:24:55,305 --> 00:24:57,135
at how powerful our AI's about to be.

603
00:24:57,285 --> 00:24:59,865
Or is the singularity
around the damn corner?

604
00:24:59,865 --> 00:24:59,955
And

605
00:25:00,315 --> 00:25:00,945
just, well, that's what, that's

606
00:25:00,945 --> 00:25:01,815
crossing our fingers.

607
00:25:01,820 --> 00:25:03,765
That's, that's the kind
of scary part, right?

608
00:25:03,765 --> 00:25:06,765
Like that's the thing that we've been
hearing from AI safety people for a

609
00:25:07,095 --> 00:25:10,815
long time, is that like there would
become a moment where these things

610
00:25:10,815 --> 00:25:15,915
could get very like powerful and very
aware in different ways and listen.

611
00:25:16,425 --> 00:25:20,175
You know, we've been preaching this
for now, two plus years in this show.

612
00:25:20,415 --> 00:25:21,945
This is all changing fast.

613
00:25:21,945 --> 00:25:24,615
There's people who believe that this,
that, you know, in three months we're

614
00:25:24,615 --> 00:25:28,215
gonna be living in a world post, uh, uh,
you know, everybody's gonna have money

615
00:25:28,215 --> 00:25:29,895
given to them by the world at large.

616
00:25:30,105 --> 00:25:32,655
There's other people who believe
that this is gonna take us all down

617
00:25:32,655 --> 00:25:36,135
and we're gonna be dead as a, as
a species within a couple years.

618
00:25:36,585 --> 00:25:39,735
It's just another interesting
layer into that mix of like.

619
00:25:39,919 --> 00:25:43,730
Anthropic who is on the edge, if
not at the edge of how good these

620
00:25:43,730 --> 00:25:47,060
tools are, is starting to lay out
what they think of as a vision.

621
00:25:47,060 --> 00:25:49,520
I think for an A GI Right.

622
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:52,280
Or even an a SI an artificial
super intelligence.

623
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:53,540
And that's a pretty big deal.

624
00:25:53,540 --> 00:25:53,899
I know.

625
00:25:53,899 --> 00:25:55,100
And there's one more clip
from Well, well, the good

626
00:25:55,100 --> 00:25:55,610
news.

627
00:25:55,639 --> 00:25:56,060
Yes.

628
00:25:56,345 --> 00:25:56,565
Yes.

629
00:25:56,570 --> 00:25:57,200
Yes.

630
00:25:57,220 --> 00:25:59,620
From from Dario again at Davos.

631
00:25:59,620 --> 00:26:04,210
The good news is Gavin, they see
this as s. Clearly it's only one

632
00:26:04,210 --> 00:26:05,710
road and it leads to a utopia.

633
00:26:05,890 --> 00:26:07,870
Let me play just a little bit.

634
00:26:07,870 --> 00:26:09,370
It was at the very end of the discussion.

635
00:26:09,370 --> 00:26:14,350
I did not see it clipped out really
at all, but it perked me up the most.

636
00:26:14,470 --> 00:26:17,560
This is in regards to the US
restricting, or excuse me.

637
00:26:17,950 --> 00:26:21,820
Not restricting chip sales
for AI development to China,

638
00:26:21,820 --> 00:26:23,320
which is a, a newer revelation.

639
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:24,520
This is what Dario had to

640
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:24,610
say.

641
00:26:24,610 --> 00:26:28,180
I think of this more as like, you
know, it's a decision, are we going

642
00:26:28,180 --> 00:26:33,610
to, you know, sell nuclear weapons to
North Korea and be, you know, because

643
00:26:33,610 --> 00:26:35,980
that produces some profit for Boeing.

644
00:26:36,190 --> 00:26:39,100
Um, you know, where, where we can
say, okay, yeah, these cases were made

645
00:26:39,100 --> 00:26:41,169
by Boeing, like the US is winning.

646
00:26:41,169 --> 00:26:42,070
Like this is great.

647
00:26:42,070 --> 00:26:45,850
Like, I, I, I just, you know that,
that analogy should just make clear.

648
00:26:46,315 --> 00:26:50,004
How I see this trade off that, I
just don't think it makes sense.

649
00:26:50,725 --> 00:26:55,315
Us selling our chips, our Nvidia
chips to China is like selling

650
00:26:55,315 --> 00:26:57,505
nuclear weapons to North Korea.

651
00:26:57,625 --> 00:27:02,725
But don't worry, 'cause we put in
the prompt, don't do a big bad,

652
00:27:03,235 --> 00:27:06,415
no big bad and we use a red xmo.

653
00:27:06,535 --> 00:27:07,465
No big bad.

654
00:27:07,705 --> 00:27:10,555
Well, okay, the very quick follow
up to this is earlier in that

655
00:27:10,555 --> 00:27:13,225
conversation, he basically says, Hey.

656
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:17,520
If it were up to Demi and I, 'cause
Demi Saba is sitting there next to him.

657
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:17,610
Yes.

658
00:27:17,910 --> 00:27:21,480
I think both of us would rather
prefer Demi's timeline, which is

659
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:24,810
like the five year timeline of
a GI versus what he thinks, what

660
00:27:24,810 --> 00:27:25,890
Dario says he thinks will happen.

661
00:27:25,890 --> 00:27:25,980
Right.

662
00:27:25,980 --> 00:27:28,440
Which is like next year we'll
get to something like this.

663
00:27:28,620 --> 00:27:31,470
But he says specifically because
there are powers that be in the

664
00:27:31,470 --> 00:27:35,220
world that are forcing their
hand, that they're racing to this.

665
00:27:35,220 --> 00:27:37,230
And I think this is
specifically saying about China.

666
00:27:37,410 --> 00:27:39,240
That they have to move forward faster.

667
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:42,780
And that reaction, what you just
heard, is a direct response to that.

668
00:27:42,780 --> 00:27:45,210
He's basically saying like,
look, if China wasn't getting

669
00:27:45,210 --> 00:27:47,520
these things, we would slow down.

670
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:47,610
Right?

671
00:27:47,610 --> 00:27:48,570
And Demis would slow down.

672
00:27:48,570 --> 00:27:49,740
Now would Sam slow down?

673
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:50,370
We don't know.

674
00:27:50,370 --> 00:27:50,610
Right.

675
00:27:50,610 --> 00:27:52,680
There's a whole nother conversation
around that and like there was

676
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:53,830
some shame thrown Sam, right?

677
00:27:54,135 --> 00:27:57,014
But that is where this is
all coming from, right?

678
00:27:57,014 --> 00:28:00,105
We are in the, we are in the, I don't
wanna say we're in the end game, because

679
00:28:00,105 --> 00:28:04,995
that starts to feel very sad and very
much like, oh no, it could be like the

680
00:28:04,995 --> 00:28:06,345
beginning game of a whole new world.

681
00:28:06,345 --> 00:28:10,245
Well, we're in the, we're in the
final pages or maybe final paragraphs

682
00:28:10,245 --> 00:28:12,105
of whatever this chapter is.

683
00:28:12,135 --> 00:28:12,855
Yes, yes.

684
00:28:12,975 --> 00:28:15,735
And let's hope there's many,
many more chapters after this.

685
00:28:15,735 --> 00:28:16,635
That's all I'm saying.

686
00:28:16,635 --> 00:28:17,175
I'm saying, yeah.

687
00:28:17,175 --> 00:28:17,460
Many more books.

688
00:28:17,895 --> 00:28:18,435
Many more books.

689
00:28:18,435 --> 00:28:22,095
We are in the Brandon Sanderson
world of Books, not in the

690
00:28:22,095 --> 00:28:23,265
uh, name of the wind books.

691
00:28:23,265 --> 00:28:23,780
And if you got that.

692
00:28:24,465 --> 00:28:27,645
You are the nerd that I want in
our audience and that means you

693
00:28:27,645 --> 00:28:30,975
should be liking and subscribing
this episode right now.

694
00:28:31,095 --> 00:28:31,215
How?

695
00:28:31,215 --> 00:28:32,205
If you understood what those two

696
00:28:32,595 --> 00:28:36,945
about, if you didn't get that as
well just to show your support for

697
00:28:36,945 --> 00:28:38,805
me, you should like and subscribe.

698
00:28:38,805 --> 00:28:41,024
I think that's gonna get
a couple more clicks.

699
00:28:41,085 --> 00:28:45,075
That's a good, that's a good conversation
starter in the comments this week.

700
00:28:45,315 --> 00:28:49,665
Team Gavin or team Kevin, get team
Gavin is Team Brandon Sanderson.

701
00:28:49,665 --> 00:28:50,475
Team name of the week.

702
00:28:50,475 --> 00:28:51,075
No team.

703
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:51,370
Kevin is

704
00:28:51,550 --> 00:28:51,889
not knowing.

705
00:28:51,889 --> 00:28:53,325
I don't need digital
tumbleweeds down there.

706
00:28:53,379 --> 00:28:53,800
All right.

707
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:54,100
Listen.

708
00:28:54,100 --> 00:28:56,740
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709
00:28:56,740 --> 00:28:57,429
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710
00:28:57,429 --> 00:28:59,200
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711
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,800
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714
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715
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716
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718
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719
00:29:22,020 --> 00:29:24,149
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720
00:29:24,330 --> 00:29:24,810
I do.

721
00:29:24,810 --> 00:29:25,379
That's right.

722
00:29:25,379 --> 00:29:26,879
That's the next move we gotta make.

723
00:29:26,909 --> 00:29:27,120
Okay.

724
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:28,169
We should keep going here.

725
00:29:28,169 --> 00:29:28,560
Apple.

726
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:31,710
Kevin is somehow still farting
around in this business and

727
00:29:31,710 --> 00:29:32,760
they're trying to do something.

728
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:36,510
There's news out this week that they're
new AI powered by Gemini will be coming

729
00:29:36,510 --> 00:29:38,100
around this year, their new chat bot.

730
00:29:38,100 --> 00:29:43,050
But Kevin, even more interesting, there is
news that they are working on a wearable

731
00:29:43,050 --> 00:29:45,810
AI pin that is right from the information.

732
00:29:46,105 --> 00:29:49,765
They're developing an AI pin and
we all know how well the AI pin

733
00:29:49,885 --> 00:29:54,565
that came around last time went,
if you remember the humane AI pin?

734
00:29:54,655 --> 00:29:55,075
Uh, yes.

735
00:29:55,105 --> 00:29:57,595
Let's talk very quickly just to
give some people a background,

736
00:29:57,595 --> 00:29:58,975
if you didn't know what that was.

737
00:29:59,185 --> 00:30:02,395
Now I have the Pineapple Pen song
in my head, and will they license

738
00:30:02,395 --> 00:30:04,075
that to be a, I have a pen.

739
00:30:04,135 --> 00:30:04,685
I have an apple.

740
00:30:04,830 --> 00:30:06,655
I have an Apple AI pin.

741
00:30:06,995 --> 00:30:08,165
Yes.

742
00:30:08,435 --> 00:30:08,775
And is that

743
00:30:08,775 --> 00:30:09,330
that I love that song.

744
00:30:09,330 --> 00:30:09,450
Yes.

745
00:30:09,450 --> 00:30:09,665
That remix.

746
00:30:09,815 --> 00:30:11,255
Nobody wants or needs.

747
00:30:11,465 --> 00:30:11,705
Um, apple,

748
00:30:11,705 --> 00:30:13,775
by the way, that guy's been trying
to come back with a new song.

749
00:30:13,775 --> 00:30:16,505
I feel bad 'cause he then
has, he's on TikTok, that guy.

750
00:30:16,505 --> 00:30:16,955
He's amazing.

751
00:30:16,955 --> 00:30:17,225
Oh, okay.

752
00:30:17,225 --> 00:30:19,625
By the way, what's the follow, if you
don't know, like, what's the name of

753
00:30:19,625 --> 00:30:21,125
that Japanese show that it came from?

754
00:30:21,125 --> 00:30:25,205
I love that show to I, I,
uh, uh, Pythagoras Switch.

755
00:30:25,205 --> 00:30:26,675
Py Patte Switch.

756
00:30:26,675 --> 00:30:27,755
That was what that show came from.

757
00:30:27,755 --> 00:30:28,805
It's a show from the two thousands.

758
00:30:28,805 --> 00:30:29,285
Anyway.

759
00:30:29,639 --> 00:30:31,620
Long story short, go support our man.

760
00:30:31,620 --> 00:30:33,570
He's on there doing the
Pineapple Pin song again.

761
00:30:33,810 --> 00:30:34,020
Alright?

762
00:30:34,020 --> 00:30:34,290
Yes.

763
00:30:34,350 --> 00:30:35,310
Long story short,

764
00:30:35,310 --> 00:30:36,024
go support our man.

765
00:30:36,024 --> 00:30:36,465
There we go.

766
00:30:37,260 --> 00:30:37,620
Alright.

767
00:30:37,620 --> 00:30:40,169
Apple's pin, he, there's not a lot known.

768
00:30:40,169 --> 00:30:43,740
It is all very rumor territory,
but it supposedly is a thin, flat

769
00:30:43,770 --> 00:30:48,240
circular disc that's aluminum and
glass like the shell of it, about

770
00:30:48,300 --> 00:30:49,949
the, imagine like an apple air tag.

771
00:30:50,010 --> 00:30:54,435
That's the size supposedly that this
is with, uh, two cameras on It is the

772
00:30:54,745 --> 00:30:58,050
interesting, there's a standard lens and
a wide angle lens for pictures and video.

773
00:30:58,199 --> 00:30:58,470
Now.

774
00:30:58,980 --> 00:31:00,090
This sort of tracks.

775
00:31:00,090 --> 00:31:03,389
You know, we talked a little while, uh,
back Gavin about apple's like vision.

776
00:31:03,389 --> 00:31:07,950
They had a vision model that was
designed to run, uh, on edge, on device.

777
00:31:08,070 --> 00:31:09,000
Low power.

778
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:09,090
Yes.

779
00:31:09,149 --> 00:31:10,680
Very fast processing.

780
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:14,610
And it could, um, they have live demos
of it, analyzing video and very quickly

781
00:31:14,610 --> 00:31:16,170
understanding what it's looking at.

782
00:31:16,350 --> 00:31:18,975
So is that gonna be in
an iPhone in the future?

783
00:31:18,975 --> 00:31:19,295
Maybe.

784
00:31:19,690 --> 00:31:23,260
But could it be in this PIN device
so that it knows what you're looking

785
00:31:23,260 --> 00:31:27,820
at and it's constantly categorizing
it so that it can take notes or as

786
00:31:27,820 --> 00:31:31,120
you speak into it, understand what
you were seeing and what you were

787
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:32,890
surrounded while you took that note.

788
00:31:32,890 --> 00:31:34,990
Like, I dunno, I think
that's kind of interesting.

789
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,710
Supposedly has a physical button,
a speaker, and like a Fitbit style

790
00:31:38,710 --> 00:31:43,180
charging strip on the back that
is according to the information.

791
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:47,290
Um, we don't know how reliable
said information is, but does

792
00:31:47,290 --> 00:31:48,760
that get you excited Gavin?

793
00:31:49,335 --> 00:31:50,805
It gets me interested.

794
00:31:50,865 --> 00:31:51,555
I will say that.

795
00:31:51,555 --> 00:31:51,585
Okay.

796
00:31:51,585 --> 00:31:55,755
The other thing, I think that, uh,
a person who's gotta be reading this

797
00:31:55,755 --> 00:32:00,615
and being like, what the hell man is
OpenAI and Chat GPT and, and Sam Allman

798
00:32:00,615 --> 00:32:04,935
in that, like, they have been working
on whatever their device is and like

799
00:32:04,935 --> 00:32:07,935
the thing that you can't discount,
and this is really goes for Google

800
00:32:07,935 --> 00:32:10,005
versus chat G chatt as well is like.

801
00:32:10,425 --> 00:32:14,655
The benefit of Apple is you have all of
these people who have iPhones and, and

802
00:32:14,655 --> 00:32:18,554
a little device like that is not gonna
be, I don't think, a standalone device.

803
00:32:18,554 --> 00:32:21,855
It's probably gonna be tethered in some
way to the iPhone that's in your pocket.

804
00:32:22,305 --> 00:32:25,545
They immediately are able to sell
something that's gonna probably be

805
00:32:25,545 --> 00:32:28,725
pretty cheap because it's not the
most complicated thing in the world.

806
00:32:28,725 --> 00:32:30,135
And then turn that thing on.

807
00:32:30,135 --> 00:32:34,155
Whereas chat, GPT and OpenAI with
their whatever ear pill thing, device

808
00:32:34,155 --> 00:32:38,264
we talked about last time, you have
a little bit trickier kind of setup

809
00:32:38,264 --> 00:32:40,245
there and I don't know, apple's.

810
00:32:40,649 --> 00:32:42,030
Pretty good at hardware, right?

811
00:32:42,030 --> 00:32:42,780
Like this could work.

812
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:43,860
Obviously.

813
00:32:44,100 --> 00:32:46,919
When they described it just then,
it reminded me a lot of what the

814
00:32:46,919 --> 00:32:49,020
friend pin looks like, right?

815
00:32:49,020 --> 00:32:53,669
Like the friend pin essentially looks
like a slightly larger ai, uh, air tag.

816
00:32:54,179 --> 00:32:57,210
And I didn't know your point earlier
when we talked about these sort of things

817
00:32:57,210 --> 00:33:01,860
is like, are people really ready to be
recorded or watched on a regular basis?

818
00:33:01,860 --> 00:33:05,070
And it might be that this is just
something people don't want, period.

819
00:33:05,129 --> 00:33:06,245
But we will see, I guess.

820
00:33:07,350 --> 00:33:12,060
Yeah, I like what sort of opt
out will people have because, you

821
00:33:12,060 --> 00:33:14,670
know, like, it, it, you know, if
you're in a public area, like, all

822
00:33:14,670 --> 00:33:16,470
right, you, you really have no say.

823
00:33:16,650 --> 00:33:20,460
But if I'm standing in line at the
old Starbucks and someone is in line

824
00:33:20,460 --> 00:33:24,930
behind me with their recording device
constantly going, like, I, I'm probably,

825
00:33:24,930 --> 00:33:28,530
if I'm in a Starbucks, there's a 50 50
chance I'm about to have a freak out.

826
00:33:28,740 --> 00:33:29,040
Right.

827
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:29,580
You know this.

828
00:33:29,580 --> 00:33:29,970
Oh, is that how

829
00:33:29,970 --> 00:33:30,090
hard

830
00:33:30,090 --> 00:33:30,510
it you've been with

831
00:33:30,510 --> 00:33:31,050
these days?

832
00:33:31,830 --> 00:33:32,490
Oh, interesting.

833
00:33:32,490 --> 00:33:35,550
I, I think it's actually under
control these days if it's only 50 50.

834
00:33:36,315 --> 00:33:40,095
Guess what, Kevin, I've been, I've been
secretly setting that up now, and you've

835
00:33:40,095 --> 00:33:42,405
got a new show that I've been made.

836
00:33:42,405 --> 00:33:45,090
It's called Kevin Watch Out and then
we're getting, we're gonna Cancel You.

837
00:33:46,365 --> 00:33:47,475
Kevin, watch out.

838
00:33:48,105 --> 00:33:48,285
Kevin,

839
00:33:48,285 --> 00:33:48,885
watch out.

840
00:33:48,885 --> 00:33:49,095
Yeah.

841
00:33:49,425 --> 00:33:50,715
Threat is coming from within.

842
00:33:51,014 --> 00:33:51,135
Yes.

843
00:33:51,135 --> 00:33:52,665
I need to watch out for myself.

844
00:33:52,770 --> 00:33:53,475
I, I don't know.

845
00:33:53,475 --> 00:33:56,835
I think the idea of the pin pairing
with the phone makes a lot of sense.

846
00:33:56,835 --> 00:33:58,725
Gives it a ton more power and compute.

847
00:33:58,725 --> 00:34:02,090
And, um, and again, the, the strategic
advantage that Apple has is that.

848
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:06,690
If Sam Altman wants to make his pen
compatible with Apple, he's gotta

849
00:34:06,690 --> 00:34:08,489
play by whatever their rules are.

850
00:34:08,790 --> 00:34:08,940
Yes.

851
00:34:08,940 --> 00:34:10,469
And um, yeah, that's, I don't know.

852
00:34:10,469 --> 00:34:11,370
That's, that's interesting.

853
00:34:11,730 --> 00:34:12,389
It's an interesting thing.

854
00:34:12,389 --> 00:34:14,940
I think the other thing that came out
in the news this week, in fact just

855
00:34:14,940 --> 00:34:19,560
recently, was that Google has acquired
the team at Hume, which we really

856
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:21,659
liked Hume as an ai, voice technology.

857
00:34:21,659 --> 00:34:23,429
If you remember, Hume is the technology.

858
00:34:23,759 --> 00:34:25,859
That is very kind of emotional based.

859
00:34:25,949 --> 00:34:29,819
And when you think about an AI pin and
you think about the different ways that

860
00:34:29,819 --> 00:34:34,739
you might interact with an Apple AI
pin in the ears, and you are probably

861
00:34:34,739 --> 00:34:37,139
gonna say something out loud, we've
talked about these other things like

862
00:34:37,139 --> 00:34:39,899
the pebble device or that little ring
that we've talked about, how voice

863
00:34:39,899 --> 00:34:41,370
is gonna be an interactive thing.

864
00:34:41,729 --> 00:34:42,569
Google is also.

865
00:34:42,885 --> 00:34:46,515
Seeing that they need to kind of bulk
up on the voice side of this stuff.

866
00:34:46,515 --> 00:34:46,605
Mm-hmm.

867
00:34:46,845 --> 00:34:51,585
So I think you're seeing this kind of
like overall AI hardware ecosystem, which

868
00:34:51,585 --> 00:34:55,305
is probably something that you talk to
and listens to you and then talks back.

869
00:34:55,785 --> 00:34:59,205
And I think it's some version of
something that can seize stuff.

870
00:34:59,220 --> 00:35:01,200
Without you having to pull your phone out.

871
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:01,560
Right?

872
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:01,740
Yeah.

873
00:35:01,799 --> 00:35:05,759
And then the voice as that voice
aspect of this is really important too.

874
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:11,700
You can kind of start to see the shape of
what the next phone thing might be, right?

875
00:35:11,700 --> 00:35:15,419
Or, or what the next like piece of
hardware that people are going to use.

876
00:35:15,419 --> 00:35:19,560
Now, I would argue that glasses
probably are part of it at

877
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:21,149
some point, but maybe not.

878
00:35:21,149 --> 00:35:23,700
Maybe it's gonna be a thing where
people are able to do it all.

879
00:35:24,255 --> 00:35:27,134
In audio and have this thing that
kind of watches them, so they kind

880
00:35:27,134 --> 00:35:28,694
of remove themselves from screens.

881
00:35:28,694 --> 00:35:29,355
But we will see,

882
00:35:29,924 --> 00:35:32,895
I think, look, I don't wanna wear the
weight on my nose and I don't want

883
00:35:32,895 --> 00:35:34,875
stuff necessarily resting on my ears.

884
00:35:34,875 --> 00:35:37,305
I'm very, uh, I'm precious,
I'm mostly porcelain.

885
00:35:37,305 --> 00:35:37,395
Sure.

886
00:35:37,515 --> 00:35:39,884
What I want is like one
of, one of those hot.

887
00:35:40,290 --> 00:35:42,600
Neon color, like aerobic sweat bands.

888
00:35:42,750 --> 00:35:42,930
Ooh.

889
00:35:42,930 --> 00:35:43,680
From the eighties.

890
00:35:43,740 --> 00:35:44,040
Right.

891
00:35:44,069 --> 00:35:44,310
Okay.

892
00:35:44,310 --> 00:35:45,629
Like really, really tense.

893
00:35:45,660 --> 00:35:49,395
And then basically an Xbox connect,
uh, just hanging it off of it.

894
00:35:49,399 --> 00:35:50,160
Embedded inside of it.

895
00:35:50,310 --> 00:35:50,700
Yeah.

896
00:35:50,700 --> 00:35:53,100
I want, like, you know, it
should have like a cool, uh,

897
00:35:53,129 --> 00:35:54,569
red l led D and white LED.

898
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:54,810
Okay.

899
00:35:54,810 --> 00:35:56,640
So I'm doing some nighttime
hunting or whatever.

900
00:35:56,700 --> 00:35:59,129
Some lidar, a couple, a camera array.

901
00:35:59,535 --> 00:36:01,545
Or whatever, you know, put
the memory in the back.

902
00:36:01,545 --> 00:36:01,665
Yeah.

903
00:36:01,665 --> 00:36:04,060
If someone wants to mock that
up, I think that would be useful.

904
00:36:04,060 --> 00:36:04,140
I

905
00:36:04,140 --> 00:36:04,379
can see that.

906
00:36:04,575 --> 00:36:04,904
Yeah.

907
00:36:04,904 --> 00:36:08,895
I think maybe also it comes with
a li a, a single unitard that you

908
00:36:08,895 --> 00:36:11,745
can wear to really stand out when
you're walking around some sort

909
00:36:11,745 --> 00:36:15,645
of AI singlet to gather exactly
telemetry data and know what pose

910
00:36:15,645 --> 00:36:17,774
I was in while I was having my

911
00:36:17,774 --> 00:36:18,315
freak out.

912
00:36:18,585 --> 00:36:19,424
The Starbucks

913
00:36:19,605 --> 00:36:22,365
in the future, we're gonna have,
people have always said this,

914
00:36:22,365 --> 00:36:24,795
there's some sort of clothes
that we can put other designs on.

915
00:36:25,275 --> 00:36:29,100
What if you could like in the Starbucks
freak out, like hit me with it.

916
00:36:29,220 --> 00:36:32,115
I could like shoot clothes to
you and change the way that

917
00:36:32,115 --> 00:36:33,285
you looked throughout it.

918
00:36:33,285 --> 00:36:36,285
Like we're talking about content
that would just go off, Kevin,

919
00:36:36,285 --> 00:36:37,515
we're talking about right.

920
00:36:37,515 --> 00:36:39,075
Algorithmic content
that would just go off.

921
00:36:39,075 --> 00:36:39,345
All right.

922
00:36:39,345 --> 00:36:42,944
Speaking of video content, there's
some really cool new stuff that

923
00:36:42,944 --> 00:36:46,694
in the AI video space, Kevin, this
just came out DeepMind's DART model.

924
00:36:46,694 --> 00:36:50,475
It's D four RT, so smart
spelling, uh, DeepMind.

925
00:36:51,275 --> 00:36:54,095
This is a very interesting
piece of research.

926
00:36:54,095 --> 00:36:57,695
It is not a model, but this is
going to open the door to making

927
00:36:57,695 --> 00:36:59,495
lots of other models better.

928
00:36:59,495 --> 00:37:00,935
And we've seen some of this stuff.

929
00:37:01,174 --> 00:37:04,715
It's kind of goss and splat, like it's
doing a bunch of interesting stuff,

930
00:37:04,715 --> 00:37:06,095
but what it's really doing is like.

931
00:37:06,245 --> 00:37:11,255
Allowing you to see a world and then move
around in that world and then do things

932
00:37:11,285 --> 00:37:15,424
within that world to generate other parts
of that world, which sounds like a lot of

933
00:37:15,424 --> 00:37:19,565
weirdness, but it's just a very cool, kind
of advanced piece of technology that's

934
00:37:19,565 --> 00:37:21,845
gonna make things like VO four better.

935
00:37:21,845 --> 00:37:24,365
It's gonna make the, the,
the Genie models better.

936
00:37:24,365 --> 00:37:27,455
If you remember, the Genie models
are, they're kind of like real

937
00:37:27,455 --> 00:37:29,944
time video game playable models.

938
00:37:29,944 --> 00:37:30,154
Yeah.

939
00:37:30,154 --> 00:37:30,195
They're, they're world models.

940
00:37:30,195 --> 00:37:30,205
Yeah.

941
00:37:30,205 --> 00:37:30,455
Yes.

942
00:37:30,545 --> 00:37:32,795
Yeah, so this is just a really cool
thing you all should check out.

943
00:37:32,795 --> 00:37:35,525
It's kind of a technical paper, but
there's some really interesting examples

944
00:37:35,525 --> 00:37:37,715
that they show, uh, on on their website.

945
00:37:38,145 --> 00:37:39,915
If you're audio only,
you're kind of missing it.

946
00:37:39,915 --> 00:37:41,444
Once you see it, you quickly get it.

947
00:37:41,444 --> 00:37:45,225
It's just the machine's
interpretation of motion and physics.

948
00:37:45,225 --> 00:37:49,845
But, but when you see it colorful, you
understand like, oh, as a human being, we

949
00:37:49,845 --> 00:37:51,765
get that someone doing a juujitsu throw.

950
00:37:51,765 --> 00:37:54,254
We understand roughly
the physics involved.

951
00:37:54,254 --> 00:37:54,345
Yes.

952
00:37:54,345 --> 00:37:58,305
But if the machine is just looking
at 2D pixels, how is it interpreting?

953
00:37:58,305 --> 00:38:00,165
And, oh, now, now you're getting it.

954
00:38:00,165 --> 00:38:01,015
Now you're understanding it.

955
00:38:01,290 --> 00:38:04,950
Um, so that was a deepminds
uh, research runway.

956
00:38:04,950 --> 00:38:09,090
Had a big release Gen
4.5 image to video now.

957
00:38:09,240 --> 00:38:09,840
So yes.

958
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,390
Uh, people are making some really
beautiful shorts with this.

959
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:12,840
Yeah.

960
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,900
What's really cool about this, if you go
to the runway, you will show you some good

961
00:38:15,900 --> 00:38:19,020
examples here, but also if you go into
runway, what they've started focused on is

962
00:38:19,020 --> 00:38:21,870
a little bit of what kind of Higgs field
has done, which is like this idea of like.

963
00:38:22,175 --> 00:38:24,755
How do we think about shots
within the different things?

964
00:38:24,755 --> 00:38:27,545
And there's a really interesting example
they have of like a zoom in and then a

965
00:38:27,545 --> 00:38:30,815
whip pan over two between two characters.

966
00:38:30,815 --> 00:38:34,535
And what's great about this is
even though you don't get the, uh,

967
00:38:34,565 --> 00:38:38,285
native audio, I, I, I, at least my
experience, the native audio is not as

968
00:38:38,285 --> 00:38:40,595
strong in runway right now with 4.5.

969
00:38:40,925 --> 00:38:45,605
The fact that you can do this stuff within
runway is getting very, very good now.

970
00:38:46,210 --> 00:38:49,660
Some people, I, I think we're gonna have
this interesting moment in the next,

971
00:38:49,660 --> 00:38:54,100
like I'd say year with these AI video
models where we start to see like, will

972
00:38:54,100 --> 00:38:59,350
the Googles and the open ais kind of like
push past these kind of smaller companies?

973
00:38:59,350 --> 00:39:02,590
Or will they be able to have
like, will cling and will

974
00:39:02,710 --> 00:39:04,690
runways still be able to stay up?

975
00:39:04,720 --> 00:39:07,390
I just think, uh, 4.5
image gen is very good.

976
00:39:07,390 --> 00:39:10,450
I've not personally played with it
yet, but some of the examples we saw

977
00:39:10,450 --> 00:39:11,500
out there are really interesting.

978
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:15,870
Well, one thing you did play with, which
surprised me 'cause it kind of came outta

979
00:39:15,870 --> 00:39:18,420
nowhere, was an audio to video model by

980
00:39:18,420 --> 00:39:18,750
Yes.

981
00:39:18,750 --> 00:39:21,690
LTX, that some of the
samples I was seeing.

982
00:39:21,690 --> 00:39:22,350
I was like, wait a minute.

983
00:39:22,350 --> 00:39:24,299
This is being driven by By what now?

984
00:39:24,299 --> 00:39:24,870
This is like,

985
00:39:24,900 --> 00:39:25,140
yeah.

986
00:39:25,140 --> 00:39:28,110
A single image in an audio
file and it's taking it away.

987
00:39:28,110 --> 00:39:30,870
Like, so let's, let's talk
about why this is exciting.

988
00:39:31,180 --> 00:39:31,480
Yeah.

989
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:35,080
So one of the things that if you're, if
you made AI video before or you've done

990
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:38,530
any sort of lip sync stuff, a lot of
what you do is you find a, an audio clip

991
00:39:38,530 --> 00:39:41,740
that you like, and you create an audio
clip and then you edit it down and you

992
00:39:41,740 --> 00:39:44,860
wanna give it to the character to say
something so you get the right lip sync.

993
00:39:44,860 --> 00:39:45,040
Right.

994
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,410
Well, what LTX studios has
done here is they've created.

995
00:39:48,035 --> 00:39:51,065
Uh, kind of a weird name, but it's
called audio to video, meaning that

996
00:39:51,065 --> 00:39:56,045
it's a model specifically designed for
you to upload an audio file and then

997
00:39:56,045 --> 00:40:00,845
use a photo or just a text prompt and
get video back that kind of uses that.

998
00:40:00,845 --> 00:40:03,515
And one of the uses that people
have found for this that's amazing,

999
00:40:03,875 --> 00:40:06,275
um, is F-F-F-O-F-R, uh, ai.

1000
00:40:06,275 --> 00:40:10,085
One of our favorite, um, you
know, creators of AI video used

1001
00:40:10,085 --> 00:40:13,805
it to create music videos from
a, so, uh, from a, a Suno song.

1002
00:40:14,335 --> 00:40:18,055
What you see is it just a really
interesting, they figured out something

1003
00:40:18,055 --> 00:40:20,005
with their lip sync that's really solid.

1004
00:40:20,245 --> 00:40:24,535
And also you can direct the video clips
in ways that you can't easily do if

1005
00:40:24,535 --> 00:40:26,065
you're kind of piecing it together.

1006
00:40:26,245 --> 00:40:28,105
So it's a really cool starting point.

1007
00:40:28,165 --> 00:40:29,995
Um, oh, I didn't see this bore at one.

1008
00:40:29,995 --> 00:40:30,924
I haven't looked at this yet.

1009
00:40:30,924 --> 00:40:31,375
What's this one?

1010
00:40:31,375 --> 00:40:31,404
Oh

1011
00:40:31,705 --> 00:40:35,275
yeah, just a, just a fun example of
how quickly you can modify things,

1012
00:40:35,275 --> 00:40:37,615
but someone basically created a borat.

1013
00:40:37,915 --> 00:40:40,915
That's fine as famous scene
characters from Pulp Fiction movies

1014
00:40:40,915 --> 00:40:42,445
or Avengers films and whatnot.

1015
00:40:42,445 --> 00:40:45,440
But they use the original audio of the
scene to drive it, and you can see.

1016
00:40:46,095 --> 00:40:49,064
You know, it's, it's not flawless,
but the fact that there's

1017
00:40:49,064 --> 00:40:53,685
expressiveness within the Borat that
matches the tonality of the scene.

1018
00:40:53,714 --> 00:40:53,895
Yeah.

1019
00:40:53,895 --> 00:40:59,205
And all that is driving it is a
single image, a prompt, and the source

1020
00:40:59,205 --> 00:41:03,555
audio, like your head can very start,
like very quickly start spinning

1021
00:41:03,645 --> 00:41:04,964
with all of the possibilities here.

1022
00:41:04,964 --> 00:41:06,585
So they have a great walkthrough.

1023
00:41:06,645 --> 00:41:07,785
Um, we can link it in our show notes.

1024
00:41:07,785 --> 00:41:11,145
LTX Studio did a walkthrough of, uh,
with a demo of how to generate again.

1025
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:12,870
Just upload audio.

1026
00:41:12,870 --> 00:41:13,860
Yeah, give it a prompt.

1027
00:41:13,950 --> 00:41:16,140
You can add an image if you want.

1028
00:41:16,410 --> 00:41:17,220
And that is it.

1029
00:41:17,250 --> 00:41:18,180
You're off and running.

1030
00:41:18,300 --> 00:41:18,840
I did.

1031
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:23,070
I took a clip from our, uh, show last
week, an audio clip about the harnesses

1032
00:41:23,070 --> 00:41:24,120
when we talked about harnesses.

1033
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:24,420
Right.

1034
00:41:24,420 --> 00:41:25,320
And I just said.

1035
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:29,370
Hey, uh, this is two guys
talking about harnesses and

1036
00:41:29,370 --> 00:41:30,750
there's a horse between them.

1037
00:41:30,750 --> 00:41:32,910
So the goal was two voices.

1038
00:41:33,240 --> 00:41:35,220
There's a horse between us and
we're talking about harnesses.

1039
00:41:35,220 --> 00:41:37,680
I want to see what it would do, play
that clip for everybody and we'll

1040
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:38,910
talk about it when it is afterwards.

1041
00:41:39,030 --> 00:41:40,950
Like how, who, who makes the harnesses?

1042
00:41:40,950 --> 00:41:41,550
My question.

1043
00:41:41,580 --> 00:41:43,170
Other than the people that ride horses,

1044
00:41:43,860 --> 00:41:45,480
they could be, that's fair.

1045
00:41:45,690 --> 00:41:46,080
Um.

1046
00:41:46,884 --> 00:41:47,785
Yeah, the harness,

1047
00:41:48,055 --> 00:41:51,865
so, so first of all, I wanted to do more,
but it's a time limit of nine seconds.

1048
00:41:51,865 --> 00:41:53,875
But by the way, no, no
driving image for that.

1049
00:41:53,875 --> 00:41:56,424
You just gave it the prompt
and so it generated the horse.

1050
00:41:56,424 --> 00:41:57,470
If you're audio only, that's

1051
00:41:57,470 --> 00:41:59,395
text to audio to video if you want to.

1052
00:41:59,395 --> 00:42:02,154
There is like an early Pixar
thing, like Toy Story one-ish.

1053
00:42:02,940 --> 00:42:08,220
Uh, CG creation with a, a, a talking
horse standing in between two cow pokes,

1054
00:42:08,610 --> 00:42:12,690
uh, that are Gavin and I on either side
of it and, and everything is moving and

1055
00:42:12,690 --> 00:42:14,820
animating like the, the horse is talking.

1056
00:42:15,180 --> 00:42:16,350
Well, but that's the thing.

1057
00:42:16,380 --> 00:42:19,290
I did not say horse talks to a human.

1058
00:42:19,290 --> 00:42:21,690
I said the two humans talk with
a horse in the middle, but, oh,

1059
00:42:22,260 --> 00:42:22,680
I like it

1060
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:23,100
better.

1061
00:42:23,100 --> 00:42:24,300
Pretty, pretty, you know, it's better.

1062
00:42:24,300 --> 00:42:27,870
I agree it's better, but with the lip
sync of the horse is pretty solid.

1063
00:42:27,870 --> 00:42:30,430
For a text to text, for
an audio to video thing.

1064
00:42:31,100 --> 00:42:32,720
That was the first time you get one.

1065
00:42:32,870 --> 00:42:34,610
Basically one free generation.

1066
00:42:34,610 --> 00:42:36,080
So I use my one free generation.

1067
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:37,820
If you go there, you
can sign up right now.

1068
00:42:38,030 --> 00:42:38,870
You can try it.

1069
00:42:38,870 --> 00:42:41,870
It like any other product, this
is their way to onboard people

1070
00:42:41,870 --> 00:42:43,610
to spend money at LTX Studios.

1071
00:42:43,820 --> 00:42:47,960
LTX also has a great open source, uh, uh,
model that they have opened up to many

1072
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:52,400
people to use on local devices, but you
will have to pay for this, uh, device.

1073
00:42:53,355 --> 00:42:53,575
So.

1074
00:42:54,425 --> 00:42:57,785
While we're on the topic of horse
harnesses, Gavin from last week, if

1075
00:42:57,785 --> 00:42:59,675
you missed it, have to shout out.

1076
00:43:00,425 --> 00:43:03,995
We have to shout out
Mustache Harness Store.

1077
00:43:04,145 --> 00:43:08,705
So shout out to shifty Nick in our
discord who created this on the heels

1078
00:43:08,705 --> 00:43:14,855
of our discussion of like, go find a, a
project to build, uh, with these tools.

1079
00:43:15,065 --> 00:43:18,275
Uh, I think they used Claw Claude
code and they made an entire.

1080
00:43:18,825 --> 00:43:23,295
E-Commerce store for your
favorite mustache harnesses.

1081
00:43:23,415 --> 00:43:23,895
Yes.

1082
00:43:23,955 --> 00:43:24,884
Pretty impress,

1083
00:43:24,884 --> 00:43:26,384
which you can shop by it
pretty impress category.

1084
00:43:26,535 --> 00:43:27,435
It totally works.

1085
00:43:27,435 --> 00:43:28,605
You can limit by color.

1086
00:43:28,605 --> 00:43:30,645
There's price range selectors or whatever.

1087
00:43:30,645 --> 00:43:34,485
And they've built out a very
elegant looking, uh, totally

1088
00:43:34,485 --> 00:43:36,435
passable mustache harness store.

1089
00:43:36,435 --> 00:43:36,735
So,

1090
00:43:36,735 --> 00:43:39,375
and I want everybody out there to know
that, like, if you wanna take this

1091
00:43:39,375 --> 00:43:40,424
idea and run with it, that's fine.

1092
00:43:40,424 --> 00:43:44,955
With us, we would just like a small
percentage of all mustache sales.

1093
00:43:44,955 --> 00:43:47,924
Going forward, and this is
the legal document that allows

1094
00:43:47,924 --> 00:43:48,825
us to keep that shifting.

1095
00:43:48,825 --> 00:43:50,924
Nick, we will kick you
back a few bit of that too.

1096
00:43:50,924 --> 00:43:53,325
Think I see a very bright
future for somebody.

1097
00:43:53,924 --> 00:43:57,674
I think he's updated it since I
initially looked at it, by the way there.

1098
00:43:57,705 --> 00:44:00,134
Oh, he has, there seems
to be new harnesses now.

1099
00:44:00,134 --> 00:44:05,924
There's a Swiss cheese whisker wear, uh,
a dual point lift apparatus, which has

1100
00:44:06,165 --> 00:44:10,485
like a bubble level in the middle of it so
that you can level your mustache properly.

1101
00:44:11,010 --> 00:44:11,610
Kudos.

1102
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:12,090
This is great fan.

1103
00:44:12,090 --> 00:44:13,890
I love that one's
already out of Stock Fan.

1104
00:44:13,890 --> 00:44:17,190
The Night Guard and Sleepwear,
uh, harness is out of stock.

1105
00:44:17,190 --> 00:44:22,650
So good on everybody who has bought
these for money there in some ways

1106
00:44:22,650 --> 00:44:22,770
don't.

1107
00:44:22,770 --> 00:44:25,050
Apparently we have a promo
code too, by the way, this is

1108
00:44:25,050 --> 00:44:26,610
a fictitious e-commerce story.

1109
00:44:26,610 --> 00:44:29,880
I wanna be clear, this is not an
actual thing, but you can use the

1110
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:32,190
AI for Human code for 10% off.

1111
00:44:32,190 --> 00:44:33,510
So congratulations everyone.

1112
00:44:33,630 --> 00:44:34,935
We have one other quick,
interesting thing here.

1113
00:44:34,935 --> 00:44:35,135
Uh.

1114
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:38,960
Google has launched a tool that
I think is an interesting example

1115
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:42,770
of how like small little verticals
will get kind of eaten alive by ai.

1116
00:44:43,190 --> 00:44:48,470
There is now a SAT SAT prep test
that you can do on Google, and you

1117
00:44:48,470 --> 00:44:53,390
can basically prep for your, you
know, test like the LSAT or the SAT.

1118
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:57,830
Kevin, my wife, uh, you know, 20 years
or so ago when we first moved to la,

1119
00:44:57,860 --> 00:44:59,390
worked for a company called Kaplan.

1120
00:44:59,390 --> 00:44:59,450
Yeah.

1121
00:44:59,720 --> 00:45:03,650
And Kaplan's whole business
model is test prep.

1122
00:45:03,710 --> 00:45:06,530
And I think what's interesting about
this, and I think everybody should go

1123
00:45:06,530 --> 00:45:09,620
try it, it's gonna be an interesting
kind of experiment on this, is that like.

1124
00:45:10,004 --> 00:45:16,545
That is a vertical that could
completely get eaten by general AI LLMs.

1125
00:45:16,545 --> 00:45:20,895
And just an interesting kind of ex example
of watching like a business kind of get

1126
00:45:20,895 --> 00:45:24,944
swallowed whole by one or two of these
companies will, will be fascinating.

1127
00:45:25,545 --> 00:45:27,734
I think the SATs are
gonna get swallowed whole.

1128
00:45:28,395 --> 00:45:29,529
That's also probably true.

1129
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:32,685
This is another way for them to
kind of go away eventually, right?

1130
00:45:32,745 --> 00:45:33,915
Like Yeah, exactly.

1131
00:45:33,915 --> 00:45:36,435
It's gonna be, uh, uh,
it's gonna be your vibe.

1132
00:45:37,095 --> 00:45:38,955
It's gonna, what's the
vibe equivalent to it?

1133
00:45:39,345 --> 00:45:40,005
To the SATs?

1134
00:45:41,174 --> 00:45:45,165
Uh, uh You mean in terms of coding, or do
you mean in terms of what it feels like?

1135
00:45:45,735 --> 00:45:49,995
Just like the, the idea that like, humans
are gonna have to memorize, uh, uh,

1136
00:45:50,085 --> 00:45:52,245
memorize facts, figures and formulas.

1137
00:45:52,245 --> 00:45:52,335
Oh, yeah.

1138
00:45:52,335 --> 00:45:54,525
So that they can show that
they have an aptitude with it

1139
00:45:54,525 --> 00:45:55,395
is gonna be like, no, no, no.

1140
00:45:55,575 --> 00:45:57,255
Can you prompt your way to an a?

1141
00:45:57,255 --> 00:45:58,575
What's your prompting score?

1142
00:45:58,634 --> 00:45:58,904
Yeah.

1143
00:45:58,904 --> 00:46:01,095
I guess that's a, I guess the
question I would have about this,

1144
00:46:01,095 --> 00:46:03,435
and this is a, honestly, there's
a much larger conversation about

1145
00:46:03,435 --> 00:46:06,825
AI education that I'm kind of
fascinated with right now, but like.

1146
00:46:07,215 --> 00:46:12,404
The idea of still being able to
prove that, you know, something in

1147
00:46:12,404 --> 00:46:16,665
a short period of time or in some
sort of like world feels really

1148
00:46:16,665 --> 00:46:18,315
valuable because so many kids.

1149
00:46:18,315 --> 00:46:19,154
I'm, I, I totally lost you.

1150
00:46:19,154 --> 00:46:21,465
I was watching a Maze Runner 3D
video while you were talking.

1151
00:46:21,675 --> 00:46:22,575
I'm sorry, what was that saying?

1152
00:46:22,575 --> 00:46:25,035
So many kids are bad at it
now and they're cheating.

1153
00:46:25,215 --> 00:46:26,505
Yeah, and cheating is
the wrong way to say it.

1154
00:46:26,505 --> 00:46:28,575
'cause they're just using tools that
are available to them, but like.

1155
00:46:29,189 --> 00:46:32,580
I think we're gonna have to figure
out some way of proof that, you

1156
00:46:32,580 --> 00:46:35,939
know, a significant amount of
knowledge or something in a large

1157
00:46:35,939 --> 00:46:38,700
part of that will be prompting in
how to get these miles to do stuff.

1158
00:46:38,700 --> 00:46:40,890
But you still need a test to show that.

1159
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:44,520
Maybe you do, maybe you don't
though, Gavin, maybe we could

1160
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:46,500
just consult an AI powered monk.

1161
00:46:46,500 --> 00:46:46,590
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1162
00:46:46,590 --> 00:46:51,210
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1163
00:46:51,210 --> 00:46:52,950
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1164
00:46:53,130 --> 00:46:56,340
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our newsletter, which you should all

1165
00:46:56,340 --> 00:46:58,200
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1166
00:46:58,200 --> 00:46:59,610
But I think it's an important one.

1167
00:46:59,670 --> 00:47:03,870
Uh, this is a monk name,
yang Moon, A-Y-A-N-G-M-U-N.

1168
00:47:03,870 --> 00:47:07,800
And Yang Moon has 2.5 million followers
on Instagram and he does not exist.

1169
00:47:08,250 --> 00:47:13,950
Yeah, he actually, he does exist
purely to sell a $50 subscription

1170
00:47:13,950 --> 00:47:16,560
to a 30 day healing journey product.

1171
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:19,500
And what's interesting about this,
Kevin, and I think this is just one

1172
00:47:19,500 --> 00:47:22,080
of those things to think about when
we talk about AI influencers, is.

1173
00:47:22,470 --> 00:47:25,380
I watched a bunch of
Yang Mons, uh, content.

1174
00:47:25,380 --> 00:47:25,410
Okay.

1175
00:47:25,500 --> 00:47:26,700
He's very charming.

1176
00:47:26,700 --> 00:47:30,480
He's like a, you know, he's giving,
you know, uh, the sort of things you

1177
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:33,930
might hear from a guru, quote, unquote,
and in some ways a little bit more

1178
00:47:33,930 --> 00:47:36,630
straightforward and, and, and simple.

1179
00:47:36,990 --> 00:47:38,820
I have studied Buddhism myself.

1180
00:47:38,820 --> 00:47:40,230
I did the seven day silent retreat.

1181
00:47:40,230 --> 00:47:42,755
I'm a big believer in the kind of
Buddhist philosophy in general.

1182
00:47:43,495 --> 00:47:45,265
But Kevin, the thing, there's
two kind of sides to this.

1183
00:47:45,265 --> 00:47:48,384
One side I was kind of mad is
like this, this guy's not real.

1184
00:47:48,384 --> 00:47:51,475
Like all these people are following
this guy's advice where it's not real.

1185
00:47:51,475 --> 00:47:52,795
What is reality?

1186
00:47:53,154 --> 00:47:53,455
Yes.

1187
00:47:53,545 --> 00:47:54,325
You know, exactly.

1188
00:47:54,325 --> 00:47:56,154
But you could be, you could
start your own business.

1189
00:47:56,605 --> 00:47:59,875
The other side of this though is if
you look at the comments on Instagram,

1190
00:48:00,504 --> 00:48:03,475
a lot of them are, and by the way,
who knows if that's dead internet?

1191
00:48:03,475 --> 00:48:03,984
We don't know.

1192
00:48:03,984 --> 00:48:04,825
I know you believe that.

1193
00:48:04,825 --> 00:48:06,504
Most of the comments online are not real.

1194
00:48:06,745 --> 00:48:07,134
I really do.

1195
00:48:07,605 --> 00:48:10,155
There do seem to be a lot of
people who are like, I think this

1196
00:48:10,155 --> 00:48:11,895
is so helpful, blah, blah, blah.

1197
00:48:11,895 --> 00:48:13,815
And I know that could be
fake, but there are probably

1198
00:48:13,815 --> 00:48:15,105
a couple real people in there.

1199
00:48:15,525 --> 00:48:16,634
Maybe it doesn't matter.

1200
00:48:16,695 --> 00:48:17,535
Maybe it doesn't matter.

1201
00:48:17,535 --> 00:48:18,345
This guy isn't real.

1202
00:48:18,345 --> 00:48:22,515
Maybe to them the, the information
will help them in some way to get

1203
00:48:22,515 --> 00:48:25,245
through a difficult part in their
life, or it'll get through something

1204
00:48:25,245 --> 00:48:26,955
or, or introduce them to these things.

1205
00:48:27,390 --> 00:48:31,770
I just think this is a really
good example at scale of how AI

1206
00:48:31,770 --> 00:48:34,950
influencers are starting to, to
make something interesting happen.

1207
00:48:35,220 --> 00:48:38,160
I feel pretty gross about
the selling of the product.

1208
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:40,080
That's the part that I think
is the worst part about,

1209
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:43,710
but, but what you said right before
that is exactly how I justified

1210
00:48:43,710 --> 00:48:45,840
getting my mother TOSA Caputo tickets.

1211
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:47,310
Gavin, maybe.

1212
00:48:48,090 --> 00:48:48,340
What is that?

1213
00:48:48,340 --> 00:48:48,655
What's Kalu

1214
00:48:48,655 --> 00:48:48,665
tickets?

1215
00:48:48,665 --> 00:48:51,060
The, the Long Island Medium Gavin.

1216
00:48:51,870 --> 00:48:53,185
Oh, sorry.

1217
00:48:53,375 --> 00:48:54,265
Yeah, sorry.

1218
00:48:54,925 --> 00:48:55,620
Of course, of course.

1219
00:48:56,370 --> 00:48:56,580
Yes.

1220
00:48:56,670 --> 00:48:59,610
You know, may maybe, maybe
it's, maybe it's not real.

1221
00:49:00,150 --> 00:49:00,210
Yeah.

1222
00:49:00,210 --> 00:49:01,140
Maybe it's not.

1223
00:49:01,290 --> 00:49:03,540
But if it provides a service

1224
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:04,080
Yeah.

1225
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:07,290
And you know, then, uh, who am I to judge?

1226
00:49:07,380 --> 00:49:10,350
Oh my God, I just thought of the
greatest business idea is like.

1227
00:49:19,779 --> 00:49:20,080
Not really.

1228
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:21,069
Do we need to edit that out?

1229
00:49:21,069 --> 00:49:21,564
Do we need to edit?

1230
00:49:21,564 --> 00:49:22,299
Yeah, let's edit that out.

1231
00:49:23,290 --> 00:49:24,609
It's time to see what you
did this week with ai.

1232
00:49:24,609 --> 00:49:25,209
It's ai.

1233
00:49:25,209 --> 00:49:26,439
See what you did there.

1234
00:49:26,709 --> 00:49:34,935
So times Ya rolling Without a.
Then suddenly you stop and shout.

1235
00:49:43,870 --> 00:49:44,360
Alright,

1236
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:47,415
Gavin, I hate to come over the
top ropes on this one, but wow.

1237
00:49:47,415 --> 00:49:48,525
That graphic was playing.

1238
00:49:48,525 --> 00:49:50,955
I just vibe coded a very, very cool game.

1239
00:49:50,985 --> 00:49:56,145
Um, I call it uh, uh, I call
it, uh, a Blitz tro and it's a

1240
00:49:56,145 --> 00:49:58,515
combination of NFL Blitz meets tro.

1241
00:49:58,515 --> 00:50:00,360
It's just this little
idea that I was toying on.

1242
00:50:00,810 --> 00:50:02,220
But it's really, really fun.

1243
00:50:02,700 --> 00:50:05,310
So there's a, there's a really
cool post on Reddit I saw from

1244
00:50:05,310 --> 00:50:07,049
a ex user named Super Sissy.

1245
00:50:07,049 --> 00:50:11,009
We'll link to show notes where basically
is setting up every street Fighter

1246
00:50:11,009 --> 00:50:13,049
two losing pose brought to life.

1247
00:50:13,259 --> 00:50:16,230
We have seen many of these, Kevin, we've
been watching these and enjoying these

1248
00:50:16,230 --> 00:50:19,080
for many years, these different kind of
variations of video games coming to life.

1249
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:22,860
But what's interesting about this
is the losing poses are so specific

1250
00:50:22,890 --> 00:50:26,400
in Street Fighter, and it's just
interesting to see all of the big, sad

1251
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:28,259
feelings that these characters all have.

1252
00:50:28,259 --> 00:50:29,160
So it's worth your time.

1253
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:29,759
Go check it out.

1254
00:50:29,759 --> 00:50:30,134
It's very fun.

1255
00:50:30,884 --> 00:50:31,634
Super fun.

1256
00:50:31,845 --> 00:50:37,875
Uh, along those lines, some people are
going to hate this, the 11 album Gavin 11.

1257
00:50:38,115 --> 00:50:39,254
Oh, I've meant to talk about this.

1258
00:50:39,254 --> 00:50:40,065
I forgot.

1259
00:50:40,274 --> 00:50:40,935
Here we go.

1260
00:50:40,995 --> 00:50:41,335
Okay, go ahead.

1261
00:50:41,335 --> 00:50:42,585
Did you give it a listen,
tell what this is.

1262
00:50:42,585 --> 00:50:45,944
I I gave it a listen and I have
thoughts, uh, very specific thoughts.

1263
00:50:46,125 --> 00:50:46,725
Well, okay.

1264
00:50:46,725 --> 00:50:51,015
So it is, it is a, uh, uh, a handful of
tracks that have, they've released, uh,

1265
00:50:51,015 --> 00:50:52,785
on their website as well as Spotify.

1266
00:50:52,785 --> 00:50:56,355
You can go and search for the 11
album and it features artists like.

1267
00:50:56,879 --> 00:51:02,549
Liza, Minnelli, art Garfunkel, Kai
Angel, baby, a handful of others.

1268
00:51:02,700 --> 00:51:05,879
And basically each artist
created an original track.

1269
00:51:06,060 --> 00:51:06,240
Yes.

1270
00:51:06,270 --> 00:51:11,910
Using 11 labs tools that would, um,
you know, blend their, their voice and

1271
00:51:11,910 --> 00:51:14,460
their, uh, instrumentation to be some.

1272
00:51:14,549 --> 00:51:17,100
Now, like I have many, many thoughts.

1273
00:51:17,129 --> 00:51:18,210
What were yours?

1274
00:51:18,214 --> 00:51:18,705
I'd love to hear.

1275
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:21,840
My first two thoughts were great.

1276
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:23,100
I'm happy that they're doing this.

1277
00:51:23,100 --> 00:51:27,030
The second immediate thought was when
I saw the names Art Garfunkel and

1278
00:51:27,030 --> 00:51:29,009
Liza Minnelli as like the headliners.

1279
00:51:29,009 --> 00:51:29,730
I was like, what?

1280
00:51:29,730 --> 00:51:29,910
Right?

1281
00:51:29,910 --> 00:51:30,780
Who put this together?

1282
00:51:30,780 --> 00:51:31,440
What are we doing here?

1283
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:36,990
And then the Liza Minnelli song is like
an interesting like remix dance track

1284
00:51:36,990 --> 00:51:38,850
where she kind of just says words in it.

1285
00:51:38,850 --> 00:51:39,750
The Arc Garfunkel one.

1286
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:41,860
Then I, I don't know Angel baby.

1287
00:51:41,860 --> 00:51:45,490
I've heard of, uh, obviously King
Lonas is a very famous AI musician.

1288
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:46,900
Like it was fine.

1289
00:51:46,900 --> 00:51:49,870
I was trying to figure out like
what the purpose of this is, right?

1290
00:51:49,870 --> 00:51:53,050
Like it's maybe to just kind of
get out the fact that they are a

1291
00:51:53,050 --> 00:51:54,610
music model now and they do stuff.

1292
00:51:55,060 --> 00:51:58,720
I don't think this is going to travel
very far based on what I heard, but

1293
00:51:58,720 --> 00:51:59,830
I don't know what your thoughts were.

1294
00:52:00,250 --> 00:52:02,290
Dude, I ripped it to
mini disc already, bro.

1295
00:52:02,290 --> 00:52:04,000
I've been playing it nonstop.

1296
00:52:04,150 --> 00:52:08,890
Uh, I think, no disrespect to the
artists involved because it's like.

1297
00:52:09,365 --> 00:52:11,885
It's a bizarre mix tape
of like hip hop Yes.

1298
00:52:11,885 --> 00:52:13,325
And dance and this and that.

1299
00:52:13,325 --> 00:52:14,735
So it's very all over the place.

1300
00:52:14,735 --> 00:52:17,585
And for me it was hard to listen
to in one shot because of that.

1301
00:52:17,585 --> 00:52:17,675
Yes.

1302
00:52:17,675 --> 00:52:17,855
But

1303
00:52:17,945 --> 00:52:18,215
yes,

1304
00:52:18,215 --> 00:52:20,135
that, I don't think
they were going for the.

1305
00:52:20,490 --> 00:52:22,020
This is a start to finish.

1306
00:52:22,230 --> 00:52:23,850
Um, what is it?

1307
00:52:23,850 --> 00:52:26,580
Uh, you know, pink Floyd, you
gotta listen to it in order.

1308
00:52:26,580 --> 00:52:27,240
Sort, experience, very

1309
00:52:27,240 --> 00:52:27,690
shadow.

1310
00:52:27,690 --> 00:52:28,980
Introducing, let's just put it that way.

1311
00:52:29,010 --> 00:52:29,460
Thank you.

1312
00:52:29,490 --> 00:52:29,760
Yeah.

1313
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:30,840
No, it's not, it's not.

1314
00:52:30,900 --> 00:52:34,530
But like, the very first track,
there's a track by, um, Falvey.

1315
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:36,570
Shout out to Falvey called Close to Me.

1316
00:52:36,720 --> 00:52:39,510
I put it on, it's a
totally passable like yeah.

1317
00:52:39,570 --> 00:52:43,710
Housey, dancey, EDM, something that I
heard that does not have this signature.

1318
00:52:44,565 --> 00:52:47,175
Twang of like a suno
generated song or whatever.

1319
00:52:47,175 --> 00:52:47,265
Yes.

1320
00:52:47,265 --> 00:52:50,715
It sounds like there was a little extra
product production going on there, um,

1321
00:52:50,835 --> 00:52:55,515
as a flex and a promo for 11 Labs as to
your point of like, Hey, we are more than

1322
00:52:55,515 --> 00:52:57,675
just text to speech or sound effects.

1323
00:52:57,675 --> 00:52:59,535
Now I think it works in that regard.

1324
00:52:59,535 --> 00:53:01,515
I don't think it's gonna get
a lot of playtime though on my

1325
00:53:01,515 --> 00:53:01,725
Spotify.

1326
00:53:01,725 --> 00:53:01,965
No.

1327
00:53:01,965 --> 00:53:05,295
It feels a little bit like that thing
where a company has a lot of funding,

1328
00:53:05,295 --> 00:53:08,445
says, Hey, let's go spend some money
on trying to put something together

1329
00:53:08,445 --> 00:53:11,040
that we think will be a big thing
and that it isn't, and maybe it's.

1330
00:53:11,665 --> 00:53:12,745
Maybe it's an agency idea.

1331
00:53:12,805 --> 00:53:15,115
Something that somebody didn't spend
a lot of money on that I thought was

1332
00:53:15,115 --> 00:53:18,805
really interesting was a new TikTok
channel I found called Epic Sports Anime.

1333
00:53:18,805 --> 00:53:21,655
And I want to kind of like
very quickly say like, this

1334
00:53:21,655 --> 00:53:23,665
could be automated AI content.

1335
00:53:23,665 --> 00:53:24,565
I don't know.

1336
00:53:24,745 --> 00:53:28,345
What I want to talk about with this
is like, I saw this happen pop up

1337
00:53:28,345 --> 00:53:31,045
in my TikTok, and as I mentioned
earlier, I'm a sea fan, the Sea Oxford

1338
00:53:31,045 --> 00:53:34,465
and the NFC Champion this week they
beat the San Francisco 49 ERs last

1339
00:53:34,465 --> 00:53:38,815
week and the day after, my TikTok
has a lot of Seahawks coding in it.

1340
00:53:38,815 --> 00:53:38,995
Right?

1341
00:53:38,995 --> 00:53:40,165
I get a lot of Seahawks content.

1342
00:53:40,165 --> 00:53:40,175
Mm-hmm.

1343
00:53:40,694 --> 00:53:46,065
This came up and what it is is a anime
recreation of moments from that game

1344
00:53:46,065 --> 00:53:48,285
that is kind of told in an anime style.

1345
00:53:48,615 --> 00:53:52,004
And I it, like I said, it could
be a, you know, automated content.

1346
00:53:52,004 --> 00:53:52,875
I don't think it is.

1347
00:53:52,875 --> 00:53:53,835
'cause there's only a couple of them.

1348
00:53:53,835 --> 00:53:56,475
It's not like the guys turning the out,
there's about five of them right now.

1349
00:53:56,835 --> 00:54:02,265
But this was, to me, what I believe the
future of like, kind of the AI slop in

1350
00:54:02,265 --> 00:54:06,165
the positive way could be, is like this
is made for not that many people, right?

1351
00:54:06,165 --> 00:54:09,464
Like I found this super interesting
and compelling, but like.

1352
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:12,750
This is a guy or, or woman or
somebody out there, or a robot

1353
00:54:12,750 --> 00:54:13,890
who's making these choices.

1354
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:16,080
It immediately felt like, this is great.

1355
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:18,690
This is something that
nobody's gonna do without ai.

1356
00:54:18,690 --> 00:54:22,290
So like, this is just a good
example of like why AI slop

1357
00:54:22,290 --> 00:54:23,940
can sometimes be really good.

1358
00:54:23,940 --> 00:54:25,560
And in this instance, I,
I just wanna shout it.

1359
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:26,220
I really liked it

1360
00:54:26,220 --> 00:54:31,110
and I, I got a shout out if, if anybody
is playing, um, season two of Blitz tro,

1361
00:54:31,259 --> 00:54:35,580
you will notice that there's an anime
art pack available on Steam right now.

1362
00:54:35,580 --> 00:54:36,930
I literally vibe coded it.

1363
00:54:37,260 --> 00:54:38,580
Wow, Gavin was talking.

1364
00:54:38,580 --> 00:54:39,885
So thank you for making my idea.

1365
00:54:39,885 --> 00:54:41,245
That is my idea, my idea.

1366
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:46,980
Speaking of instant vibe coding, a quick
shout out to this, uh, uh, to bi Jean

1367
00:54:46,980 --> 00:54:52,650
Bowen, they've got a YouTube video, um,
where they are vibe coding, uh, using

1368
00:54:52,710 --> 00:54:55,680
open code and a GLM 4.7 flash model.

1369
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:58,500
Very flash, uh, very quick
flash, uh, like coding agent.

1370
00:54:58,500 --> 00:54:58,740
Oh, cool.

1371
00:54:58,745 --> 00:54:59,245
This is very cool.

1372
00:54:59,245 --> 00:55:00,600
But what's really cool is he is rigged up.

1373
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:04,770
These basic arcade controls, like a wheel,
a little throttle, like a big button.

1374
00:55:04,860 --> 00:55:08,490
And he is, and you, you can watch
the entire 23 minute video from

1375
00:55:08,490 --> 00:55:10,470
start to finish making a game.

1376
00:55:10,470 --> 00:55:10,529
Yeah.

1377
00:55:10,740 --> 00:55:16,230
That utilizes the arcade controls and
whether you use open code and, and

1378
00:55:16,230 --> 00:55:17,819
the models that he's using to make it.

1379
00:55:17,819 --> 00:55:21,029
Or you go to chat GPT or you
use Codex whatever plot code.

1380
00:55:21,270 --> 00:55:21,960
Yeah, yeah.

1381
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:25,230
Whatever tool set you wanna use
the, the same concepts will apply.

1382
00:55:25,230 --> 00:55:27,060
But what was really
cool is to watch, like.

1383
00:55:27,430 --> 00:55:31,209
Watch the machine learn and understand
these are the controls and how they work.

1384
00:55:31,209 --> 00:55:35,560
Get feedback from him as the the user
slash the director here and understand,

1385
00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:36,640
okay, this is the way it works.

1386
00:55:36,730 --> 00:55:39,069
And go from control panel.

1387
00:55:39,129 --> 00:55:39,399
Right.

1388
00:55:39,399 --> 00:55:42,430
Yeah, I understand The wheel is turned
or there's throttle to now we're

1389
00:55:42,430 --> 00:55:43,899
moving a pixel around the screen.

1390
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:47,049
Now we've got a 3D environment
that we're driving around and it

1391
00:55:47,049 --> 00:55:51,009
made me just immediately go like,
is the future of the arcade Gavin?

1392
00:55:51,435 --> 00:55:54,944
Like, oh, a main cabinet where you
and I could go and start playing a

1393
00:55:54,944 --> 00:55:57,210
game and then go, all right, let's
change the rules real, real quick.

1394
00:55:57,210 --> 00:55:57,345
Interesting.

1395
00:55:57,345 --> 00:55:58,879
You press a button and
whisper to the machine.

1396
00:55:59,580 --> 00:56:00,570
Now we want this.

1397
00:56:00,570 --> 00:56:02,850
And it reconfigures knowing the controls.

1398
00:56:02,910 --> 00:56:07,590
And we're just, there was a game ages
ago called I arb, it draws a red box.

1399
00:56:07,590 --> 00:56:08,070
Oh yeah.

1400
00:56:08,070 --> 00:56:08,640
If you remember this.

1401
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:08,759
Yeah.

1402
00:56:08,765 --> 00:56:08,850
Love that.

1403
00:56:08,850 --> 00:56:09,480
I remember I arb.

1404
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:09,630
Yeah.

1405
00:56:09,630 --> 00:56:12,000
That actually shout out
to, uh, who made that?

1406
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:13,799
It was, uh, Mike Mika and
those guys, wasn't it?

1407
00:56:13,799 --> 00:56:14,400
And wasn't it?

1408
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:15,509
I think it was Digital Ocean.

1409
00:56:15,509 --> 00:56:15,810
Yeah.

1410
00:56:16,255 --> 00:56:16,675
Yeah.

1411
00:56:16,765 --> 00:56:16,975
Am I

1412
00:56:16,980 --> 00:56:17,150
crazy?

1413
00:56:17,150 --> 00:56:17,350
Yeah.

1414
00:56:17,390 --> 00:56:18,430
I was, uh, other ocean.

1415
00:56:18,430 --> 00:56:18,565
Other ocean.

1416
00:56:18,625 --> 00:56:18,895
Other

1417
00:56:19,075 --> 00:56:19,315
ocean.

1418
00:56:19,315 --> 00:56:19,495
Yeah.

1419
00:56:19,495 --> 00:56:20,965
Shout out Tom Russo and Mike Mika.

1420
00:56:20,965 --> 00:56:21,565
Those guys made it.

1421
00:56:21,565 --> 00:56:21,985
That's right.

1422
00:56:22,225 --> 00:56:26,425
So, um, you know, the game began
with a developer putting a red box

1423
00:56:26,425 --> 00:56:29,905
basically on Twitter and saying,
right now our game draws a red box.

1424
00:56:29,905 --> 00:56:30,505
What should it do?

1425
00:56:30,505 --> 00:56:32,275
And people sort of whispered,
oh, it should do this and that.

1426
00:56:32,510 --> 00:56:36,050
I just get so excited for the
idea of a multi-player game

1427
00:56:36,170 --> 00:56:38,600
with real controls, if you will.

1428
00:56:38,810 --> 00:56:39,080
You know?

1429
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:39,140
Yeah.

1430
00:56:39,170 --> 00:56:42,440
That people can just whisper to it and it
starts to make itself for every player.

1431
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:42,680
I

1432
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:43,100
love that.

1433
00:56:43,100 --> 00:56:43,940
I think that's amazing.

1434
00:56:43,940 --> 00:56:44,630
That's such a cool thing.

1435
00:56:44,630 --> 00:56:47,960
So go check out Bijan Bowen's,
uh, YouTube channel for that.

1436
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:48,560
That's incredible.

1437
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:49,100
Oh my God.

1438
00:56:49,460 --> 00:56:50,300
What about.

1439
00:56:50,895 --> 00:56:54,255
Agario style game where everybody
is represented as their own

1440
00:56:54,255 --> 00:56:55,545
little like pixelated block.

1441
00:56:55,545 --> 00:56:55,845
Right.

1442
00:56:55,845 --> 00:56:58,215
And they get basic movement controls, but

1443
00:56:58,215 --> 00:56:58,545
okay,

1444
00:56:58,845 --> 00:57:02,865
every X seconds or whatever,
you can give it a prompt that

1445
00:57:02,865 --> 00:57:04,725
affects what your pixel can do.

1446
00:57:04,785 --> 00:57:05,265
Oh, that's interesting.

1447
00:57:05,265 --> 00:57:05,955
Within the world.

1448
00:57:05,985 --> 00:57:06,315
Yeah.

1449
00:57:06,675 --> 00:57:08,025
Something into the world.

1450
00:57:08,025 --> 00:57:08,325
Right?

1451
00:57:08,325 --> 00:57:12,045
And now everybody is moving about
and try to like make obstacles or

1452
00:57:12,045 --> 00:57:13,785
power ups or things for their thing.

1453
00:57:13,875 --> 00:57:15,765
So now I'm trying to see what
your pixel's doing and I'm

1454
00:57:15,765 --> 00:57:17,625
prompting in a counteract to that.

1455
00:57:17,715 --> 00:57:18,525
That's really interesting.

1456
00:57:18,525 --> 00:57:23,055
It was basically, it's almost like
you could spawn a boss and each

1457
00:57:23,055 --> 00:57:26,295
player would have the ability to
generate their own powers across

1458
00:57:26,295 --> 00:57:28,065
the course of their, their prompts.

1459
00:57:28,065 --> 00:57:30,405
And other people might see
somebody who's taking a bunch of

1460
00:57:30,405 --> 00:57:31,875
hits on that boss next to them.

1461
00:57:32,085 --> 00:57:32,415
That's pretty

1462
00:57:32,415 --> 00:57:32,535
great.

1463
00:57:32,535 --> 00:57:35,505
Oh, it just, and it's just, it's
season three update to blitz outro.

1464
00:57:35,505 --> 00:57:36,735
Now you guys can prompt

1465
00:57:37,125 --> 00:57:37,335
that's thought.

1466
00:57:37,695 --> 00:57:38,115
Not doing that.

1467
00:57:38,115 --> 00:57:38,985
New abilities.

1468
00:57:38,985 --> 00:57:42,075
Congratulations tro the
anime pack is out now.

1469
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:42,660
Of that.

1470
00:57:42,959 --> 00:57:45,330
I wanna give a quick shout out to
our friend, theoretically Media.

1471
00:57:45,330 --> 00:57:48,240
If you remember, theoretically Media
came back and hosted the show once,

1472
00:57:48,270 --> 00:57:49,620
uh, last year when Kevin wasn't here.

1473
00:57:49,859 --> 00:57:53,729
He has launched a new newsletter,
which, uh, is on beehive, and

1474
00:57:53,729 --> 00:57:54,509
we'll link in our show notes.

1475
00:57:54,509 --> 00:57:58,140
But more importantly, he
goes super deep on AI video.

1476
00:57:58,140 --> 00:58:00,359
And one of the things that's in
this new newsletter he had is a.

1477
00:58:00,450 --> 00:58:06,330
Very deep prompt about creating those
two by two boxes for, um, AI video.

1478
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:10,350
Really interesting kind of to dive in on
that specific thing because it allows you

1479
00:58:10,350 --> 00:58:14,549
to create AI video scenes with things like
Nano Banana to create them to begin with

1480
00:58:14,549 --> 00:58:17,850
and then you generate them and cling two
point, uh, six or anything else like that.

1481
00:58:18,060 --> 00:58:21,660
In general, theoretically media is
very, very smart on AI video stuff.

1482
00:58:21,689 --> 00:58:23,189
I just think everybody
should go follow them.

1483
00:58:23,189 --> 00:58:23,580
So go.

1484
00:58:23,580 --> 00:58:24,750
We will link it to the show notes here.

1485
00:58:25,154 --> 00:58:30,194
Before we go, have you seen
the Slippery Robot video?

1486
00:58:30,194 --> 00:58:30,734
No, I haven't.

1487
00:58:30,734 --> 00:58:31,065
So what

1488
00:58:31,065 --> 00:58:31,305
is this?

1489
00:58:31,305 --> 00:58:33,944
You gotta click and give
yourself a moment of zen.

1490
00:58:34,125 --> 00:58:34,634
What's going on here?

1491
00:58:35,025 --> 00:58:35,205
Okay.

1492
00:58:35,210 --> 00:58:38,955
It's, it's just a, it's just
a little robit on a slightly

1493
00:58:38,955 --> 00:58:40,904
slippery floor, having a bit.

1494
00:58:40,935 --> 00:58:45,254
It's basically just, this is how
I react when, when April says I

1495
00:58:45,254 --> 00:58:47,145
can't have more chicken nuggies.

1496
00:58:47,325 --> 00:58:49,305
This is the tantrum that I throw.

1497
00:58:49,570 --> 00:58:50,620
On the floor.

1498
00:58:50,740 --> 00:58:54,400
If anybody wants to replace
me using cling, like replace

1499
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:56,080
the robot with me or Gavin.

1500
00:58:56,080 --> 00:58:57,970
Thank throwing a that's
a good idea on the floor.

1501
00:58:58,150 --> 00:59:01,300
That's a fun project for you
because I will have a nugg fit.

1502
00:59:01,660 --> 00:59:03,370
Um, it just made me laugh.

1503
00:59:03,370 --> 00:59:05,140
The poor robot flailing about.

1504
00:59:05,350 --> 00:59:06,490
Anyway, that's all.

1505
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:08,110
Alright everybody, we
will see you next week.

1506
00:59:08,110 --> 00:59:09,250
Thanks for coming by.

1507
00:59:09,340 --> 00:59:11,320
Uh, have a good week
and go try clock code.

1508
00:59:11,350 --> 00:59:12,430
Definitely go try clock code.

1509
00:59:12,490 --> 00:59:13,030
Bye y.

1510
00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:13,640
Bye y.