1 00:00:00,210 --> 00:00:06,060 You're listening to a very spatial podcast, episode 772, October 26th, 2025. 2 00:00:14,730 --> 00:00:16,770 Hello, welcome to a very spatial podcast. 3 00:00:16,830 --> 00:00:17,460 I'm Jesse. 4 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:18,480 I'm Sue. 5 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:19,710 I'm Barb. 6 00:00:19,770 --> 00:00:20,610 And this is Frank. 7 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:27,150 And this week we are going to be talking about things that are ai, ar XR related. 8 00:00:28,439 --> 00:00:30,450 As the news items and the topic. 9 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:35,740 So let's get kicked off by saying that grounding which is with 10 00:00:35,740 --> 00:00:38,050 Google Maps, is, is now available. 11 00:00:38,490 --> 00:00:43,110 This is one of the many things that have been recently announced in terms of the 12 00:00:43,110 --> 00:00:46,740 integration of Gemini and Google Maps. 13 00:00:47,580 --> 00:00:50,430 So, grounding with Google Maps is now gonna be in Vertex ai. 14 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:52,320 Through general availability. 15 00:00:52,935 --> 00:00:56,375 I, I have to say that the, they said through GA and I was like, Georgia? 16 00:00:56,525 --> 00:00:56,815 Yeah. 17 00:00:56,815 --> 00:00:59,760 What the, I was like, oh, general availability. 18 00:00:59,790 --> 00:01:00,840 Okay, that makes more sense. 19 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:03,330 I was like, I don't understand why I need to know what state it's out of. 20 00:01:03,390 --> 00:01:03,780 But anyway, 21 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:09,120 so it, it, it, you know, let's see. 22 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:10,800 They list four things. 23 00:01:11,070 --> 00:01:17,000 Timely details reviews, business data, full picture on their 24 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:18,800 queries by combining grounding. 25 00:01:19,430 --> 00:01:20,270 And Google Maps. 26 00:01:21,260 --> 00:01:22,100 Google search and Maps. 27 00:01:23,150 --> 00:01:23,300 Yeah. 28 00:01:23,750 --> 00:01:23,960 Right. 29 00:01:23,960 --> 00:01:26,750 And I think by grounding they just mean like adding in 30 00:01:26,750 --> 00:01:28,070 local sources were available. 31 00:01:28,070 --> 00:01:28,370 Right. 32 00:01:29,420 --> 00:01:33,590 Verifiable local sources to ground it in the, in the locality. 33 00:01:34,205 --> 00:01:34,505 Right. 34 00:01:34,505 --> 00:01:37,415 But basically the way to think about it is allows you to ask, 35 00:01:37,595 --> 00:01:40,445 you know, questions that may not necessarily be like on the website. 36 00:01:40,445 --> 00:01:45,015 Like the example to give is, can I bring my kids to tonight's venue and 37 00:01:45,015 --> 00:01:48,495 they'll look and see who's playing and then go, oh yeah, that's appropriate 38 00:01:48,495 --> 00:01:49,875 for kids, or not appropriate for kids. 39 00:01:50,235 --> 00:01:53,705 It's sort of this kind of more subjective questions and, and queries 40 00:01:53,705 --> 00:01:56,465 that you may ask, and it's gonna go and look at all the associated 41 00:01:56,465 --> 00:01:58,295 information and make a determination. 42 00:01:58,790 --> 00:02:01,790 It, I, I, I kind of think of it as like the thing you might ask a friend who 43 00:02:01,790 --> 00:02:06,170 knows a little bit about what's going on I first, that you don't really trust. 44 00:02:06,620 --> 00:02:07,700 That you don't really trust. 45 00:02:07,700 --> 00:02:07,790 Yeah. 46 00:02:09,110 --> 00:02:12,350 See, when I first read it, because it said your AI is now a local 47 00:02:12,350 --> 00:02:16,310 expert, and it had, you know, the term grounding, I was expecting it 48 00:02:16,310 --> 00:02:18,980 to be a ground true thing type tool. 49 00:02:19,430 --> 00:02:22,550 That is where I went initially as well, which is why I just mentioned 50 00:02:22,550 --> 00:02:25,940 kind of, you know, what they're, what they're meaning by it, because. 51 00:02:26,690 --> 00:02:28,370 Obviously we're a specialized audience, so. 52 00:02:29,105 --> 00:02:30,395 That's how initially I read it. 53 00:02:30,845 --> 00:02:31,415 But yes, 54 00:02:31,895 --> 00:02:34,715 I, on the other hand, went with the Groundlings and I was like, okay, 55 00:02:34,715 --> 00:02:38,315 this, that doesn't make sense that there are an improv comedy troupe. 56 00:02:38,345 --> 00:02:38,585 Yeah. 57 00:02:38,585 --> 00:02:40,475 It was like, doesn't make any sense. 58 00:02:40,595 --> 00:02:42,605 And then when I read more about it, I was like, well, it's 59 00:02:42,605 --> 00:02:44,135 not too far from the truth. 60 00:02:44,285 --> 00:02:44,375 It's 61 00:02:45,695 --> 00:02:47,975 we, we will treat it as comedic. 62 00:02:48,245 --> 00:02:49,955 As it gives us funny answers, 63 00:02:50,405 --> 00:02:53,105 actually, the way I think about it, if you're used to using Amazon and 64 00:02:53,105 --> 00:02:57,545 you look for a particular product and at the top of Amazon on the, on the, 65 00:02:57,845 --> 00:03:00,695 you know, people's comments and, and ratings and stuff like that, they're 66 00:03:00,695 --> 00:03:03,425 now giving summaries that say, people are saying this about the product or 67 00:03:03,425 --> 00:03:05,975 that about the product, but they do know this other thing about the product. 68 00:03:06,425 --> 00:03:10,355 It kind of feels not a thousand yards different from that. 69 00:03:10,745 --> 00:03:12,965 That is going, oh, this is what people are kind of saying about the 70 00:03:12,965 --> 00:03:16,385 thing, which is useful, but also. 71 00:03:17,675 --> 00:03:22,805 Again, a friend, you have questions for, trusts in their opinions, 72 00:03:23,255 --> 00:03:24,635 kind of connected to this. 73 00:03:25,625 --> 00:03:30,654 The next one takes us continuing again into Google with their connecting 74 00:03:30,654 --> 00:03:32,544 the dots with geospatial reasoning. 75 00:03:33,954 --> 00:03:38,314 Where here, we'll just read it as a framework powered by Gemini that 76 00:03:38,434 --> 00:03:42,934 now lets AI automatically connect different earth AI models to answer 77 00:03:42,934 --> 00:03:44,999 complex questions and models like. 78 00:03:45,679 --> 00:03:49,519 Weather forecasts, population maps, satellite imagery. 79 00:03:50,209 --> 00:03:54,199 And this of course, is where I think some of the conversation separations 80 00:03:54,199 --> 00:03:57,859 between what I occasionally try to poke at and other people are focusing 81 00:03:57,859 --> 00:03:59,899 on, on more of the generative stuff. 82 00:04:00,409 --> 00:04:04,249 You know, they're calling these AI models their data sets. 83 00:04:04,679 --> 00:04:07,834 So it's, yeah, it's, it's a, a long-term thing I think. 84 00:04:08,514 --> 00:04:13,704 To figure out how to talk about these as not all the same, even though people 85 00:04:13,704 --> 00:04:15,624 are kind of bunching them into baskets. 86 00:04:16,075 --> 00:04:16,374 Yeah. 87 00:04:16,374 --> 00:04:22,314 I mean, they are technically ai, but only in the same sense that, you know, a 88 00:04:22,314 --> 00:04:27,174 cell phone is a computer and Apple Watch is a computer, and yet that's all true. 89 00:04:27,174 --> 00:04:31,044 But also they're vastly different than a desktop computer or a server 90 00:04:31,044 --> 00:04:32,335 or a cloud or anything like that. 91 00:04:32,694 --> 00:04:33,744 Is a pixel a token? 92 00:04:33,864 --> 00:04:34,344 Yes. 93 00:04:34,749 --> 00:04:35,769 I, I don't disagree with that. 94 00:04:36,009 --> 00:04:36,369 Right. 95 00:04:36,369 --> 00:04:40,479 So, I mean, you have to, I, I think that we have to figure out how to, to 96 00:04:40,479 --> 00:04:46,479 meaningfully as a culture, meaningfully separate AI as a marketing label versus 97 00:04:46,479 --> 00:04:49,989 as a, I'm gonna say body of literature, just 'cause we're all academics. 98 00:04:49,989 --> 00:04:52,899 But, you know, that's, that's the least terrible thing I can 99 00:04:52,899 --> 00:04:54,179 think of to call it in terms of. 100 00:04:54,870 --> 00:04:55,800 A basket phrase. 101 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:56,190 Yes. 102 00:04:56,190 --> 00:05:00,090 If we wanted to take that as our, our kind of starting point, it'd be 103 00:05:00,090 --> 00:05:02,370 saying that, okay, everything's ai. 104 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:02,820 Okay. 105 00:05:02,850 --> 00:05:04,800 Everything is the same in phenomenology. 106 00:05:04,890 --> 00:05:07,440 There are so many different phenomenologies and things 107 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:08,610 that came out of phenomenology. 108 00:05:08,820 --> 00:05:10,830 There are so many different things whenever we're talking 109 00:05:10,830 --> 00:05:13,950 about AI or the word model, that they are not the same thing. 110 00:05:13,950 --> 00:05:17,100 So yeah, these are again, the long term questions. 111 00:05:17,280 --> 00:05:17,460 Yeah. 112 00:05:17,460 --> 00:05:20,640 Jesse, when I was reading through it and I was thinking like you, that, 113 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:22,650 you know what this is, is identifying. 114 00:05:22,900 --> 00:05:28,719 Data sets to create layers to, and they're saying it can answer questions like, for 115 00:05:28,719 --> 00:05:32,140 example, about flooding within a specific community that might be in danger. 116 00:05:32,140 --> 00:05:35,169 I'm like, well, good, but it depends. 117 00:05:35,169 --> 00:05:35,830 Where are you? 118 00:05:36,249 --> 00:05:37,840 What are you drawing it from? 119 00:05:38,569 --> 00:05:41,364 And again, better than nothing, but you know. 120 00:05:42,564 --> 00:05:47,334 How useful and are you gonna, are people gonna think that this is it, you know 121 00:05:47,334 --> 00:05:50,994 this, it's drawn from these baskets and that's all I've got available to me 122 00:05:50,994 --> 00:05:52,314 and I don't need to look any further. 123 00:05:52,524 --> 00:05:56,394 So, geospatial reasoning to go along with our other things 124 00:05:56,394 --> 00:05:57,444 that we talked about before. 125 00:05:57,744 --> 00:05:58,524 And of course. 126 00:05:58,914 --> 00:06:05,034 Earth ai, which is now in Google Earth as well as cloud-based. 127 00:06:06,654 --> 00:06:08,119 These are all things in the news. 128 00:06:08,119 --> 00:06:08,484 Well, I still continue 129 00:06:08,484 --> 00:06:14,154 to spin my wheels on geospatial reasoning capitalized after 20 so years 130 00:06:14,154 --> 00:06:18,144 working in GIS at geography and stuff, and I'm like, I just wanna know like. 131 00:06:18,404 --> 00:06:22,334 Like, why was my geospatial reasoning all those years not capitalized? 132 00:06:22,334 --> 00:06:22,634 What? 133 00:06:22,634 --> 00:06:24,134 Because you did not productize it. 134 00:06:24,194 --> 00:06:25,034 That's it. 135 00:06:25,034 --> 00:06:25,364 Right? 136 00:06:25,844 --> 00:06:26,834 That's where I'm at right now. 137 00:06:27,074 --> 00:06:28,934 It was just a service you were providing, not a product. 138 00:06:28,934 --> 00:06:29,084 Yeah. 139 00:06:29,264 --> 00:06:30,134 There's no tm. 140 00:06:30,389 --> 00:06:31,209 You got no tm. 141 00:06:31,784 --> 00:06:32,324 There you go. 142 00:06:32,504 --> 00:06:32,984 There you go. 143 00:06:34,394 --> 00:06:36,974 Also, imagery insights, that's capitalized as well. 144 00:06:37,214 --> 00:06:38,534 I think it's, I saw somewhere. 145 00:06:38,624 --> 00:06:38,774 Yeah. 146 00:06:38,774 --> 00:06:39,394 Again, he cool. 147 00:06:39,394 --> 00:06:39,934 Loves to. 148 00:06:40,694 --> 00:06:43,124 Make a product and then just so they can get rid of it later. 149 00:06:43,334 --> 00:06:45,194 Yeah, that's also true. 150 00:06:45,944 --> 00:06:52,704 Now, a lot of the this came out now because the first Google xr, 151 00:06:53,214 --> 00:06:57,024 XR ar, Google AR one of the two. 152 00:06:57,294 --> 00:06:57,594 It's, 153 00:06:57,594 --> 00:07:00,204 it's Google ar, but Samsung's doing an xr. 154 00:07:00,204 --> 00:07:00,444 There you go. 155 00:07:01,404 --> 00:07:02,439 The first one of those devices. 156 00:07:03,594 --> 00:07:07,884 Has been basically announced and I guess released for, for order, if not 157 00:07:07,934 --> 00:07:09,284 actually out in the store shelf yet. 158 00:07:10,014 --> 00:07:13,434 And that is, as Frank was saying, galaxy XR from Samsung. 159 00:07:13,974 --> 00:07:18,339 And so a lot of the examples they gave for. 160 00:07:19,659 --> 00:07:23,469 Galaxy xr were Google Maps related. 161 00:07:23,559 --> 00:07:28,959 So if you go and look at some of the Google X, sorry, galaxy XR videos 162 00:07:28,959 --> 00:07:33,129 on YouTube, they're essentially, Hey, this is a Cole Hardware device. 163 00:07:33,699 --> 00:07:36,279 Use Google Maps, use Google Earth. 164 00:07:37,074 --> 00:07:38,514 Inside of this virtual headset? 165 00:07:38,724 --> 00:07:41,274 Well, that's because early on, right, there's some of the things that you can 166 00:07:41,274 --> 00:07:46,414 show and in a bit when we talk about the, the meta dis, the meta display, 167 00:07:46,414 --> 00:07:50,554 it's a similar thing like the con that I think we're still at the point where 168 00:07:50,554 --> 00:07:54,734 a lot of these types of devices are limited because they're limited with 169 00:07:54,734 --> 00:07:59,924 what people can make for them, thus limited in their broader appeal, right? 170 00:07:59,924 --> 00:08:02,504 Because so, so early on, right? 171 00:08:02,504 --> 00:08:04,274 Something that grabs it and shows it. 172 00:08:04,679 --> 00:08:06,149 Is something like Google Maps. 173 00:08:06,419 --> 00:08:10,599 I, I think this comes down to one symbol and only one symbol. 174 00:08:10,959 --> 00:08:17,119 The, the headline link here said the, the Samsung Android xr, whatever the 175 00:08:17,269 --> 00:08:20,269 heck it's called, is Could Succeed. 176 00:08:20,269 --> 00:08:22,399 Where the Apple, what's it called? 177 00:08:22,399 --> 00:08:22,879 Vision. 178 00:08:22,879 --> 00:08:23,389 Vision Pro. 179 00:08:23,389 --> 00:08:23,629 Vision 180 00:08:23,629 --> 00:08:24,109 Pro, yeah. 181 00:08:24,904 --> 00:08:26,324 Has failed and. 182 00:08:27,289 --> 00:08:31,399 That's a, you know, kudos for having a good Click Beatty headline 183 00:08:31,399 --> 00:08:32,179 and all that sort of stuff. 184 00:08:32,179 --> 00:08:35,509 When you start digging into it and you're like, okay, well the reason 185 00:08:35,509 --> 00:08:40,459 they're making that argument is because it's half the price of the pro. 186 00:08:41,029 --> 00:08:43,429 So the pro is like $3,600 or something like that, depending on 187 00:08:43,429 --> 00:08:44,359 how much storage you get in it. 188 00:08:44,599 --> 00:08:45,890 And then this thing's $1,800. 189 00:08:46,669 --> 00:08:47,149 Well. 190 00:08:47,704 --> 00:08:52,024 My argument would be that what do to Sue's point, what are you bringing to 191 00:08:52,024 --> 00:08:54,484 the table that my $500 meta doesn't? 192 00:08:55,174 --> 00:08:56,974 I think that's the big problem, just 193 00:08:56,974 --> 00:08:57,034 to 194 00:08:57,034 --> 00:08:57,274 keep 195 00:08:57,274 --> 00:09:00,289 it in the things that are called pro, the $300 cheaper. 196 00:09:01,414 --> 00:09:04,054 Meta Pro, whatever it was. 197 00:09:04,054 --> 00:09:04,114 Yeah. 198 00:09:04,864 --> 00:09:07,834 Or CC Vibe, I think is like 1200 or something. 199 00:09:07,834 --> 00:09:07,954 Yeah. 200 00:09:08,044 --> 00:09:11,164 So it's, to me, this is coming down to value for Dollar. 201 00:09:11,164 --> 00:09:16,384 And I think that this is again, to Sue's point, the use case, is it been made, 202 00:09:16,504 --> 00:09:20,704 certainly not for the price of a new freaking computer or double the price 203 00:09:20,704 --> 00:09:22,024 of a new computer in the case of Apples. 204 00:09:22,234 --> 00:09:25,204 Now, I do feel that, and this kind of reflects on both 205 00:09:25,204 --> 00:09:26,764 of your responses, is that. 206 00:09:27,244 --> 00:09:32,854 Whenever we look at the Android AR environment, it is building on 207 00:09:33,394 --> 00:09:36,844 over a decade of virtual reality. 208 00:09:37,234 --> 00:09:41,344 Even though we don't think about the fact that cardboard is the 209 00:09:41,344 --> 00:09:44,824 basis of this cardboard, that they more or less let go, what? 210 00:09:44,824 --> 00:09:45,724 Five years ago? 211 00:09:46,055 --> 00:09:47,045 Oh, I think longer than that. 212 00:09:47,104 --> 00:09:47,404 Yeah. 213 00:09:48,089 --> 00:09:48,469 And so. 214 00:09:50,299 --> 00:09:53,749 All these apps that were built for cardboard will work in 215 00:09:53,749 --> 00:09:56,959 these if they've been updated in the last, you know, decade. 216 00:09:57,799 --> 00:10:03,719 So they do have a step up on what Apple had, which is people had 217 00:10:03,719 --> 00:10:08,390 to start from scratch building VR applications for the the Vision Pro. 218 00:10:08,790 --> 00:10:12,360 And so, you know, that's limitation one right there. 219 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:17,220 But you do also have on the other end meta with the massive. 220 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:20,700 Number of, of headsets that there, that people have been 221 00:10:20,700 --> 00:10:22,590 building for, for over a decade. 222 00:10:22,590 --> 00:10:24,090 For the, the quest. 223 00:10:24,420 --> 00:10:24,780 Yeah. 224 00:10:24,780 --> 00:10:26,730 And I just think like some things like this just aren't 225 00:10:26,730 --> 00:10:27,780 learning the lessons, right. 226 00:10:27,780 --> 00:10:32,610 In the, the gaming world with the headsets that came out the same thing, right? 227 00:10:32,610 --> 00:10:36,210 Is that the broad, the broad number of things that you 228 00:10:36,210 --> 00:10:37,980 could do in, it wasn't there. 229 00:10:38,070 --> 00:10:40,050 Like you had limited number of games. 230 00:10:40,350 --> 00:10:41,760 You do certain things and. 231 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:44,760 It, it still never ha hasn't really done that. 232 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:48,030 And the same thing with some of the other like headsets, his combo use case. 233 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:49,230 So here's the thing, right? 234 00:10:49,680 --> 00:10:54,210 To get, I think the money making that they're looking for, you have to have, say 235 00:10:54,210 --> 00:10:56,250 a bus business use cases, which they try. 236 00:10:56,310 --> 00:10:58,830 Microsoft tried with the HoloLens, which others have tried. 237 00:10:59,350 --> 00:11:01,030 And it's just not, it's just not there yet, but. 238 00:11:01,835 --> 00:11:04,775 But yeah, also for, I have to say, when I saw the price of this, I just, 239 00:11:04,925 --> 00:11:06,935 'cause I was all excited a little bit when I'm scrolling down Right. 240 00:11:07,235 --> 00:11:08,855 You know, it's Android, so it'll probably be cheaper. 241 00:11:08,915 --> 00:11:09,365 Yeah, okay. 242 00:11:09,365 --> 00:11:14,435 So it's cheaper, but literally like, you know, it's just, I just looked 243 00:11:14,435 --> 00:11:15,965 at the price and went, yeah, okay. 244 00:11:15,965 --> 00:11:18,725 And then I looked at the headset and I'm like, what? 245 00:11:19,175 --> 00:11:22,385 What in that design is 1799 or whatever it is. 246 00:11:22,385 --> 00:11:22,685 Yeah. 247 00:11:23,315 --> 00:11:23,825 So the thing, I 248 00:11:23,825 --> 00:11:28,625 don't know the answer to, which actually Sue might, how much is a galaxy fold? 249 00:11:29,510 --> 00:11:30,470 Original base price 250 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:31,910 of a fold. 251 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:33,350 Oh, that's like over a thousand dollars. 252 00:11:33,590 --> 00:11:35,030 That's no's My beat's close to two. 253 00:11:35,390 --> 00:11:36,050 I was gonna say. 254 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:36,860 Yeah. 255 00:11:36,860 --> 00:11:38,240 A flip is over a thousand dollars. 256 00:11:38,390 --> 00:11:38,450 Yeah. 257 00:11:38,870 --> 00:11:39,305 So yeah. 258 00:11:39,305 --> 00:11:39,505 Okay. 259 00:11:39,505 --> 00:11:41,060 So Samsungs aren't cheap for fair. 260 00:11:41,180 --> 00:11:41,240 Yeah. 261 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:41,660 I mean, we're, we're 262 00:11:41,660 --> 00:11:44,690 talking about this, we're talking about something that is about the 263 00:11:44,690 --> 00:11:47,120 same price as they're flagship phone. 264 00:11:47,630 --> 00:11:47,780 Yeah. 265 00:11:47,780 --> 00:11:48,680 And so, 266 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:49,160 yeah. 267 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:55,100 But it's got the same problem as it, the headsets had the exact same issue. 268 00:11:55,670 --> 00:11:55,910 Well. 269 00:11:56,495 --> 00:11:58,985 Has two issues, one of which is very similar to a phone. 270 00:11:59,375 --> 00:12:03,425 It's gonna come down to why, why is everyone buying that stupid thin? 271 00:12:03,965 --> 00:12:05,525 I don't mean the phone's stupid. 272 00:12:05,525 --> 00:12:07,145 I mean, it's, it's stupid thin. 273 00:12:07,235 --> 00:12:07,385 Yeah. 274 00:12:07,445 --> 00:12:09,175 The air apple 17. 275 00:12:09,175 --> 00:12:14,605 Now I forget the air because it's so freaking light and it's so thin. 276 00:12:14,610 --> 00:12:16,375 That's why everyone's like, I love this thing. 277 00:12:16,375 --> 00:12:17,635 It's tiny. 278 00:12:17,995 --> 00:12:18,895 It's not my thing. 279 00:12:18,895 --> 00:12:21,505 But, you know, weight matters. 280 00:12:21,805 --> 00:12:24,895 When you look at the, the, the XR. 281 00:12:25,645 --> 00:12:29,155 You gotta scroll down quite some distance to find any, I mean, they throw 282 00:12:29,155 --> 00:12:33,355 around lots of numbers and X number of pixels and by y number of pixels. 283 00:12:33,355 --> 00:12:37,555 And the, the total CPU clock cycle and all this other junk, they're 284 00:12:37,555 --> 00:12:38,725 thrown at you like, I don't care. 285 00:12:38,725 --> 00:12:39,595 I just don't care. 286 00:12:39,925 --> 00:12:43,225 What I care about is how much does this stupid thing weigh and I 287 00:12:43,225 --> 00:12:44,695 care about whether it's balanced. 288 00:12:44,965 --> 00:12:49,255 And that's what is the defining, one of the defining points between. 289 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:50,900 Anyone bothers with this thing. 290 00:12:50,930 --> 00:12:54,800 'cause if it's sitting on the front of your eyes and it weighs 14 pounds, 291 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:56,600 you're gonna not want to do it very long. 292 00:12:57,110 --> 00:13:01,040 Now, when you get down to the chart, it does say it's 545 grams and being an 293 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:02,990 American, I have no idea how that is. 294 00:13:03,410 --> 00:13:08,090 But what it, there's a problem with, even that is it doesn't tell me the balance. 295 00:13:08,420 --> 00:13:11,600 So again, if it's all front heavy, as you would expect, looking at 296 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:15,020 the thing, it may not be very comfortable for to wear for very long. 297 00:13:15,020 --> 00:13:16,790 Whereas people can play on their phone for. 298 00:13:17,425 --> 00:13:20,845 Hours and hours and hours and hours without any issues. 299 00:13:21,295 --> 00:13:21,625 So. 300 00:13:22,510 --> 00:13:26,260 Weight is the one thing, and the other big thing that people don't talk about is 301 00:13:26,260 --> 00:13:32,229 that I don't care how much developmental, whatevers you do to pixels and CPU cycles 302 00:13:32,229 --> 00:13:36,640 and grams and the whole nine yards, a very large percentage of the people who 303 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:39,880 put this thing on are gonna want to throw up and inside of 10 minutes of using it. 304 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:43,780 And that's just a, nobody wants to use things that make them sick. 305 00:13:44,020 --> 00:13:44,829 They just don't. 306 00:13:45,219 --> 00:13:48,849 Now you can get to the point where that's not an issue, but. 307 00:13:49,125 --> 00:13:52,645 It's not dissimilar to, you know callouses on playing guitar. 308 00:13:52,675 --> 00:13:55,225 If you just don't do it for a while, you've gotta do the work. 309 00:13:55,225 --> 00:14:00,445 Again, I haven't played around with a, with our meta in three months, and 310 00:14:00,445 --> 00:14:02,875 I know when I put it on there, I'm gonna start getting nauseated whenever 311 00:14:02,875 --> 00:14:04,555 I start messing around with it. 312 00:14:04,555 --> 00:14:06,865 So I'm gonna have to build up my tolerance again. 313 00:14:07,565 --> 00:14:11,525 Until they figure out how to just deal with those issues and figure out 314 00:14:11,975 --> 00:14:17,105 a a, a good use case that that makes me want to deal with those problems. 315 00:14:17,405 --> 00:14:20,495 I don't see how these things are gonna take off beyond the few hundred 316 00:14:20,495 --> 00:14:21,305 dollars range, but they're not, 317 00:14:21,995 --> 00:14:23,165 I don't think meant to one. 318 00:14:23,165 --> 00:14:24,545 It's just over a pound. 319 00:14:24,815 --> 00:14:28,625 In case you're wondering, 540 grams is what is 19 ounces, so just over pound. 320 00:14:29,300 --> 00:14:29,420 How 321 00:14:29,420 --> 00:14:30,380 does that, how does that compare? 322 00:14:30,380 --> 00:14:34,460 I'm wondering how that compares, like the Meta Pro Apple Pro Apple is probably 323 00:14:34,460 --> 00:14:38,030 a little heavier 'cause of the glass and stuff like that, I was guessing. 324 00:14:38,030 --> 00:14:42,110 But the, the I think our meta quests are about a pound. 325 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:42,620 Yeah. 326 00:14:42,770 --> 00:14:43,580 I can tell the difference. 327 00:14:43,580 --> 00:14:46,875 I can remember back the HoloLens was like a. I mean a solid 328 00:14:46,875 --> 00:14:47,875 two to two and a half pounds. 329 00:14:47,875 --> 00:14:50,540 Yeah, it would like bow your neck down a little bit when you'd first put it down. 330 00:14:50,750 --> 00:14:54,860 So like I have a comparison point from those and they are better and 331 00:14:54,860 --> 00:14:56,540 that weight is, is much better. 332 00:14:56,540 --> 00:14:59,990 But still, you're right, it's still something noticeable. 333 00:15:00,350 --> 00:15:04,790 And the fact that in the VR space you have to seal off kind of the outside 334 00:15:04,790 --> 00:15:09,890 input if you're in the VR mode, is always gonna be an issue for the vertigo 335 00:15:09,890 --> 00:15:11,330 and those things for some people, 336 00:15:11,810 --> 00:15:13,790 which is why we're moving on to the next part. 337 00:15:14,540 --> 00:15:19,170 With the fact that Meta has released the Ray Band Display. 338 00:15:19,260 --> 00:15:23,430 So Meta Ray Band Display is the next generation of the Meta Ray 339 00:15:23,430 --> 00:15:28,530 Band series, but it has the one lens projection system in it. 340 00:15:28,530 --> 00:15:32,040 So you're getting information fed to you in a glass. 341 00:15:32,190 --> 00:15:33,780 Now we've talked about even realities. 342 00:15:34,140 --> 00:15:36,630 There's other companies that are literally doing that right now. 343 00:15:36,660 --> 00:15:39,090 There's multiple Kickstarters over the last two months. 344 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:42,240 That are, their goal is to build these type of things. 345 00:15:42,780 --> 00:15:48,630 But it's, it's interesting to me that I, I kind of want the display, but I don't 346 00:15:48,630 --> 00:15:53,160 really care right now because the thing I use my red met array bands for, and I have 347 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:56,920 two pair, I, I have a pair for sitting at the computer and one for driving, 348 00:15:56,920 --> 00:15:58,750 and both of them are progressives. 349 00:15:58,750 --> 00:16:04,090 And so they're, they're ones that if I get the display and it's gonna be that 350 00:16:04,090 --> 00:16:05,680 much more expensive because I have. 351 00:16:06,430 --> 00:16:08,530 A prescription on top of that. 352 00:16:09,370 --> 00:16:17,920 And so the use case I have is audio and I use the AI in these 353 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:20,170 things maybe once a month. 354 00:16:21,100 --> 00:16:24,760 And that's just because I'm somewhere where it's easier just to tap 355 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:27,160 the side of my glasses and ask a question then to pull out my phone. 356 00:16:27,970 --> 00:16:30,280 And half the time I'm not happy with the answer because it's 357 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:31,660 laa based as opposed to other. 358 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:36,070 AI basis, but that's a whole separate AI set of conversations of which LLMs 359 00:16:36,070 --> 00:16:40,820 are actually useful for you for day to day with the kind of questions you ask. 360 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:45,800 'cause there are, each one does better than others for specific things. 361 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:47,840 And most of the time I'm asking questions. 362 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:52,775 It's about, well not about official stuff, it's about what. 363 00:16:53,855 --> 00:16:57,875 Was the year that X book was written or white movie came out. 364 00:16:57,875 --> 00:17:04,385 And so yeah, these are the weird things I ask, but either way it's, it's not 365 00:17:04,385 --> 00:17:10,265 about for me right now that display capability, but all of these headsets 366 00:17:10,535 --> 00:17:15,155 which are not glasses based, our building towards these capabilities. 367 00:17:15,545 --> 00:17:19,785 And so even in Google's AR original demonstration, they 368 00:17:19,785 --> 00:17:21,045 want to get the glasses. 369 00:17:21,045 --> 00:17:22,215 They made that very clear. 370 00:17:22,825 --> 00:17:26,395 They said, you know what, whenever we're first come out with goo with Samsung, it's 371 00:17:26,395 --> 00:17:32,785 not gonna be glasses, but it is Google AR is being built with that in mind. 372 00:17:33,295 --> 00:17:37,195 So it's not necessarily supposed to be just xr, it is a goal of 373 00:17:37,435 --> 00:17:42,620 smaller, regular glasses shaped ar 374 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:44,335 Yes, I know, but you know what? 375 00:17:44,395 --> 00:17:48,685 Here's in my, in my, oh, if, if costs were no, no issue or anything like that, 376 00:17:48,685 --> 00:17:50,635 what I'd love to see is a dual headset. 377 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:55,780 Where in the vr, if you wanna do VR in a VR space, it has that, that 378 00:17:56,110 --> 00:17:57,580 surround whatever you need there. 379 00:17:57,580 --> 00:18:02,050 And maybe it has different inputs and then you can detach the part that can 380 00:18:02,050 --> 00:18:05,380 do AR and it becomes something much lighter and just carry it around. 381 00:18:05,890 --> 00:18:07,390 Like I would be, so, I mean like 382 00:18:07,570 --> 00:18:10,600 we have those, but most of them are driven by phone. 383 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:12,805 So you have to have the the phone attached to Yeah, but I'm just saying 384 00:18:12,805 --> 00:18:13,645 like that's, they're not great. 385 00:18:14,145 --> 00:18:14,685 That's how I think. 386 00:18:14,765 --> 00:18:16,210 I think you have at least one pair of those. 387 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:18,145 No, no, you don't. 388 00:18:18,145 --> 00:18:20,485 The the, they can only do one thing. 389 00:18:20,755 --> 00:18:21,655 The ones that I have 390 00:18:21,685 --> 00:18:24,595 no, you, you then had a little cover that went on the outside 391 00:18:24,595 --> 00:18:26,395 that made them nevermind. 392 00:18:26,545 --> 00:18:26,935 Anyway, 393 00:18:27,015 --> 00:18:29,775 But yeah, these things exist and again, people have been building 394 00:18:29,775 --> 00:18:31,995 towards this for quite some time. 395 00:18:32,065 --> 00:18:33,455 But yeah, I don't, I don't. 396 00:18:34,465 --> 00:18:35,575 If I agree with Sue, go ahead, Frank. 397 00:18:35,635 --> 00:18:36,235 No, that's all right. 398 00:18:37,255 --> 00:18:39,835 So I have two thoughts about this. 399 00:18:39,835 --> 00:18:42,985 The first of all is the mean one, which is, if you look at the picture 400 00:18:42,985 --> 00:18:46,045 in the show notes, I have to ask, does it come with a pocket protector? 401 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:48,340 Wait, which one are you 402 00:18:48,345 --> 00:18:48,545 talking about? 403 00:18:48,645 --> 00:18:49,600 I'm talking about the metal ones. 404 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:51,340 Oh, yeah, that's, they're just hideous. 405 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:52,090 Yes, they are. 406 00:18:52,090 --> 00:18:56,500 And I'm a guy who wears thick glasses and that, that's just, but I am, I 407 00:18:56,500 --> 00:18:59,530 fully acknowledge that they're gonna get better and they're gonna get into a 408 00:18:59,530 --> 00:19:02,890 smaller and smaller footprint, because as much as I was ragging on the headsets 409 00:19:02,890 --> 00:19:06,220 a few minutes ago, they are lighter and lighter and lighter as, as suit noted. 410 00:19:06,460 --> 00:19:07,840 So that's going to happen. 411 00:19:08,050 --> 00:19:12,670 I, this is a technology that I desperately want and I want to use. 412 00:19:13,645 --> 00:19:19,375 I think I need, and all three of the answers to those questions are no. 413 00:19:19,945 --> 00:19:21,145 And I, I'm aware of that. 414 00:19:21,745 --> 00:19:26,335 It's like, I want, I want it to be a thing that I, I use and I think, like, 415 00:19:26,335 --> 00:19:34,045 Jesse, I just won't really use them in the way that I, I won't, I just won't. 416 00:19:34,495 --> 00:19:39,145 And, and I'm kind of curious if that's a function of. 417 00:19:39,745 --> 00:19:41,425 I, I'm trying to think, I articulate this. 418 00:19:41,665 --> 00:19:43,165 Is it because I'm just too old? 419 00:19:43,165 --> 00:19:45,655 Like, if I started doing this when I was 14, would it become just 420 00:19:45,655 --> 00:19:50,095 part of me much like, you know, the cell phone is just an extension 421 00:19:50,095 --> 00:19:51,715 of a lot of people at this point. 422 00:19:51,955 --> 00:19:53,005 The smartphone I should say? 423 00:19:54,265 --> 00:19:58,645 Or is it just we don't, we as a species haven't quite gotten this 424 00:19:58,645 --> 00:20:01,105 technology to the point where people go, oh yeah, I get it now. 425 00:20:01,105 --> 00:20:03,445 I get, I get where this exists in my life. 426 00:20:03,970 --> 00:20:07,930 But because you know, the, the I, I almost bought, when I bought my new glasses, I 427 00:20:07,990 --> 00:20:11,430 almost got the, the meta shit glasses. 428 00:20:11,430 --> 00:20:12,960 I was like, man, I think I might do that. 429 00:20:13,470 --> 00:20:17,370 And then you had made a comment at some point, I remember it was on the air off, 430 00:20:17,370 --> 00:20:20,310 but about the fact that you just use yours mostly for listening to music. 431 00:20:20,310 --> 00:20:22,710 And I had, I was like, well, I have AirPods so I don't need that. 432 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:24,480 You know, I don't need to spend the extra money for those. 433 00:20:25,110 --> 00:20:27,270 And 'cause I was like, yeah, I totally wouldn't use them either. 434 00:20:27,810 --> 00:20:31,200 So I will say I use them constantly, as you say, for music. 435 00:20:31,740 --> 00:20:34,440 But whenever I'm in situations, I use the camera. 436 00:20:34,530 --> 00:20:37,200 I would much, I would be happier with it if it was a different camera. 437 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:41,250 'cause of course it's a vertical and I'm old, so I want, I want landscape. 438 00:20:41,255 --> 00:20:41,400 Landscape, yeah. 439 00:20:41,860 --> 00:20:48,130 And I, I will use the AI on occasion and I will say that the amount that I 440 00:20:48,130 --> 00:20:51,610 use them, each three of those use cases. 441 00:20:52,585 --> 00:20:56,425 Parallels the amount I use, those three use cases for my phone. 442 00:20:57,265 --> 00:21:00,355 It's, you know, a little bit less than I use my phone because sometimes 443 00:21:00,355 --> 00:21:03,145 it's easier just to use the phone to get the results you want. 444 00:21:03,715 --> 00:21:09,025 But I, I will say that I will use the camera, I will use the 445 00:21:09,025 --> 00:21:14,185 ai, but I don't use the AI a lot on my phone or on my computer. 446 00:21:14,215 --> 00:21:17,155 So the fact that I don't use it a lot on my phone, on my 447 00:21:17,155 --> 00:21:18,715 glasses isn't too surprising. 448 00:21:19,180 --> 00:21:21,655 And I don't take a huge amount of pictures like most people do. 449 00:21:22,135 --> 00:21:25,075 So the fact that I only take some pictures and videos with my glasses 450 00:21:25,825 --> 00:21:28,495 isn't really that surprising either. 451 00:21:28,525 --> 00:21:28,765 Yeah. 452 00:21:28,945 --> 00:21:30,865 So it's, although I will say it's use case in general, I think 453 00:21:30,925 --> 00:21:33,745 on the audio when I use mine, 'cause I have the work, sorry, just real quick, 454 00:21:33,745 --> 00:21:35,095 the workspace, progressives as well. 455 00:21:35,395 --> 00:21:38,875 It is, I cannot wear earbuds 'cause the shape of my ears. 456 00:21:39,205 --> 00:21:42,475 I, they're painful and I can't situate 'em such that I can 457 00:21:42,475 --> 00:21:43,555 actually hear very well out of them. 458 00:21:43,555 --> 00:21:44,965 So I've never really used ear budds. 459 00:21:45,490 --> 00:21:50,290 But the glasses and the phone thing, like on Zoom call, like on all use cases on the 460 00:21:50,290 --> 00:21:52,990 computer, actually they work great for me. 461 00:21:53,050 --> 00:21:55,660 So, so I'll just a note that, that, that 462 00:21:55,710 --> 00:21:56,760 this is not sponsored by 463 00:21:56,820 --> 00:21:59,700 not No, but, but that particular function I actually do find, and I 464 00:21:59,700 --> 00:22:02,085 had a. Previous set of audio glasses. 465 00:22:02,085 --> 00:22:02,535 So 466 00:22:02,955 --> 00:22:06,915 in the end Gadget Review, they talk about the Meta's neural band, the 467 00:22:07,065 --> 00:22:13,065 basically being able to use gestures that it is, you know, pretty robust 468 00:22:13,065 --> 00:22:17,625 and that it didn't misinterpret any gestures or that we're being used. 469 00:22:17,935 --> 00:22:22,615 So I think that's something else that adds to the potential for it. 470 00:22:23,065 --> 00:22:26,485 I, I like the idea of being able to use you like finger taps and things 471 00:22:26,485 --> 00:22:28,315 like that to, to do directions. 472 00:22:28,975 --> 00:22:30,115 I think that's to it. 473 00:22:30,115 --> 00:22:32,735 It's nice to have that, to get around whenever you're in a 474 00:22:32,735 --> 00:22:33,755 meeting or something like that. 475 00:22:34,305 --> 00:22:38,095 But I do expect that the hand tracking that you do have in the 476 00:22:38,095 --> 00:22:41,785 MedQuest or whatever headset you're, you're looking at nowadays, that 477 00:22:41,785 --> 00:22:43,315 you'll be able to do that as well. 478 00:22:43,765 --> 00:22:46,165 It's just, right now they're starting with that because they expect 479 00:22:46,195 --> 00:22:50,845 people not to want to be obvious whenever they're swiping in the air. 480 00:22:51,490 --> 00:22:52,480 All the, all the headsets. 481 00:22:52,780 --> 00:22:55,330 I mean, like that's always what the challenge is, the interface. 482 00:22:55,540 --> 00:22:56,860 Like how do you get it to do stuff? 483 00:22:56,860 --> 00:22:57,880 It's always a problem. 484 00:22:58,870 --> 00:23:01,390 I, I was just gonna say that, that I will admit that. 485 00:23:01,390 --> 00:23:05,680 Another reason that I was like, nah, is because they're $800 486 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:07,780 for the frames and my glasses. 487 00:23:07,810 --> 00:23:09,395 My per personal prescription is so. 488 00:23:10,150 --> 00:23:10,570 Wonky. 489 00:23:10,900 --> 00:23:13,030 I'm spending well over that. 490 00:23:13,060 --> 00:23:15,340 Well, pretty close to that, just on the lenses. 491 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:18,280 So, you know, we're talking about doubling the cost and it's like, ugh, 492 00:23:18,700 --> 00:23:23,140 that's a lot of money on something that I'm not convinced I'll use. 493 00:23:23,500 --> 00:23:27,400 So I, I think that the combination of making them look a little less dorky 494 00:23:28,120 --> 00:23:32,570 and making 'em a little more functional and making them cheaper, I think is 495 00:23:32,570 --> 00:23:37,730 gonna be really the tipping point to, to, I mean, you know, with vr, the. 496 00:23:38,625 --> 00:23:42,555 Apple Vision Pro doesn't make sense for most use cases for 497 00:23:42,555 --> 00:23:44,655 most people at that price point. 498 00:23:45,405 --> 00:23:49,695 The meta may, and, you know, there's $3,000 difference between the two. 499 00:23:49,695 --> 00:23:52,575 So, yeah, but that's what I'm saying is I think when we get it 500 00:23:52,575 --> 00:23:56,625 to the point where it's it's a little more, yeah, why not it, it's. 501 00:23:57,165 --> 00:23:58,725 Gonna take off a bit more. 502 00:23:59,115 --> 00:24:00,945 And the other piece of this is gonna make a big difference to me 503 00:24:00,945 --> 00:24:04,365 is I want it to be able to slot in with the services I want to use. 504 00:24:04,965 --> 00:24:09,285 So, you know, and that it's how my phone works, is I'm gonna use this for my 505 00:24:09,285 --> 00:24:10,995 browser, I'm gonna use that for my maps. 506 00:24:11,025 --> 00:24:14,445 That's what I want to have that capability because for whatever reasons I like that 507 00:24:14,445 --> 00:24:18,495 better, as opposed to what somebody said, we've decided this is the best thing. 508 00:24:19,185 --> 00:24:23,505 Which, you know, Jesse, you talked about the LAMA being less than ideal 509 00:24:23,505 --> 00:24:24,945 for the types of questions you ask. 510 00:24:25,425 --> 00:24:30,045 You know, it'd be better to have a. A, a, a system that is more suited to the 511 00:24:30,045 --> 00:24:31,720 types of questions that I'm gonna ask. 512 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:36,075 I was gonna say, well actually the, this next news piece then speaks to some 513 00:24:36,075 --> 00:24:39,815 part of that, I think because at the recent meta event, what was it called? 514 00:24:39,815 --> 00:24:44,855 Connect Whatever meta announced that they're actually going to have something 515 00:24:44,855 --> 00:24:47,795 called a wearables device access toolkit. 516 00:24:47,795 --> 00:24:51,425 So for developers to be able to do some third party stuff. 517 00:24:51,860 --> 00:24:53,360 On the meta glasses. 518 00:24:53,360 --> 00:24:53,600 Yeah. 519 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:56,400 So and they, I thought this was interesting 'cause they pointed out 520 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:59,900 that it's not like a traditional SDK that we think about where you know, you 521 00:24:59,900 --> 00:25:01,340 build your app and you deploy it out. 522 00:25:01,370 --> 00:25:05,540 It's actually, you can't deploy things onto the glasses. 523 00:25:05,570 --> 00:25:08,500 'cause of course they're not, they're just input devices with sensors. 524 00:25:08,710 --> 00:25:11,230 But what you can, what you'll be able to do is access the 525 00:25:11,230 --> 00:25:13,210 sensors, like the microphone. 526 00:25:13,210 --> 00:25:15,700 So you can ask it things or the, the camera. 527 00:25:16,105 --> 00:25:19,435 And then you'll have an app on a, on your phone, and then the app 528 00:25:19,435 --> 00:25:22,975 will push out whatever results you need back to the, the device. 529 00:25:22,975 --> 00:25:27,135 But they gave one example that they'd been working with Disney on an app to, like, 530 00:25:27,135 --> 00:25:31,355 a lot of this is context specific, so what we would think of as, as ar right? 531 00:25:31,355 --> 00:25:33,635 Looking at your surroundings and having things. 532 00:25:33,635 --> 00:25:37,115 But this will allow developers to get some third party stuff 533 00:25:37,625 --> 00:25:41,625 potentially on the glasses in the sense of things that you would use. 534 00:25:41,625 --> 00:25:42,205 And so I think that. 535 00:25:42,705 --> 00:25:46,055 That's a recognition again, that a lot of these technologies, when 536 00:25:46,055 --> 00:25:49,415 they start to spread is when they have a broad range of, of appeal to 537 00:25:49,415 --> 00:25:51,995 people that do different things and are interested in different things. 538 00:25:52,325 --> 00:25:56,255 Yeah, so I was thinking, you know, that this is one of those inflection points 539 00:25:56,465 --> 00:26:00,875 in the development of a technology or geospatial technology is when you start to 540 00:26:00,875 --> 00:26:05,875 be able to have those third par party apps so that you can reach out and start to 541 00:26:05,875 --> 00:26:09,035 get more usability for specific audiences. 542 00:26:09,035 --> 00:26:12,005 And, you know, another example they used was for golf courses. 543 00:26:12,485 --> 00:26:15,845 So, you know, I could see when this starts getting used within specific 544 00:26:15,845 --> 00:26:20,205 industries especially when they're trying to do things like tours or augmented 545 00:26:20,205 --> 00:26:25,315 reality type functions that one of those things is going to hopefully 546 00:26:25,315 --> 00:26:27,775 really hit to, to expand the technology. 547 00:26:28,810 --> 00:26:33,235 And, and that's kind of, I mean, we, we law the, the revolutionary 548 00:26:33,475 --> 00:26:36,445 aspect of the original iPhone, which. 549 00:26:36,995 --> 00:26:40,055 Really its revolutionary piece was the app store. 550 00:26:40,115 --> 00:26:42,035 When you get down to it, it's like, yeah, we have this platform that 551 00:26:42,035 --> 00:26:44,405 does a bunch of stuff and here's a way that you can make it do things 552 00:26:44,405 --> 00:26:45,545 we haven't thought of doing yet. 553 00:26:45,575 --> 00:26:51,215 Once that happened, that just elevated that concept to a whole nother level 554 00:26:52,055 --> 00:26:56,225 from where it was even previously, because you know, apple, as brilliant 555 00:26:56,285 --> 00:27:00,035 as they are, can't think of everything but allowing people to do those things. 556 00:27:00,035 --> 00:27:03,365 It's just that opens up so many different facets. 557 00:27:03,365 --> 00:27:04,235 It's not even funny. 558 00:27:05,090 --> 00:27:05,870 Can't remember. 559 00:27:06,140 --> 00:27:06,950 I do remember that. 560 00:27:06,950 --> 00:27:10,940 Of course, the App store didn't exist until the second version of the iPhone. 561 00:27:11,660 --> 00:27:13,070 So which came first? 562 00:27:13,070 --> 00:27:14,390 Play Store or the app store? 563 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:16,200 The Play Store, 564 00:27:16,260 --> 00:27:17,160 I'm pretty sure. 565 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:18,330 App Store came first. 566 00:27:18,360 --> 00:27:19,830 I think I would say iTunes 567 00:27:19,830 --> 00:27:23,565 because you could get early apps on iTunes before it rolled to the App Store. 568 00:27:23,905 --> 00:27:26,010 So that was definitely earlier than Play Store. 569 00:27:26,070 --> 00:27:26,250 Yeah, I 570 00:27:26,250 --> 00:27:27,540 think Play Store came after it, I think. 571 00:27:27,540 --> 00:27:32,070 I think it was very much a, oh, we can do that and evolve it a little bit. 572 00:27:34,005 --> 00:27:34,875 So just curious. 573 00:27:34,875 --> 00:27:35,535 Couldn't remember. 574 00:27:35,595 --> 00:27:36,705 It's been a while. 575 00:27:38,085 --> 00:27:39,495 Was it 13, 12 years? 576 00:27:39,735 --> 00:27:40,965 No, it, it, it's been longer. 577 00:27:41,265 --> 00:27:41,805 18 years. 578 00:27:41,805 --> 00:27:42,375 And say it's 18. 579 00:27:42,375 --> 00:27:43,635 Closer to 20 than not. 580 00:27:44,385 --> 00:27:44,655 Yeah. 581 00:27:45,375 --> 00:27:49,935 And then finally this week is Amazon has announced that they're going 582 00:27:49,935 --> 00:27:52,905 to create delivery based glasses. 583 00:27:53,475 --> 00:27:57,865 So they have cameras, they have, a signal, a display in them I assume 584 00:27:57,865 --> 00:28:05,305 audio as well, but they will allow delivery drivers to more readily access 585 00:28:05,305 --> 00:28:07,015 and figure out what they need to grab. 586 00:28:07,015 --> 00:28:10,585 So the cameras are gonna help to read the QR codes and those type of things 587 00:28:10,585 --> 00:28:13,495 that are on packages so that whenever they're looking for something, they 588 00:28:13,495 --> 00:28:15,355 can easily grab the packages they need. 589 00:28:15,355 --> 00:28:18,955 Now, whether or not it's the right one as they're heading up to a, a building, 590 00:28:19,555 --> 00:28:25,375 i, I literally cannot think of a better use of AR glasses, period. 591 00:28:25,405 --> 00:28:27,775 I mean, this, this, to me, they, they. 592 00:28:28,510 --> 00:28:31,240 This is spot on the use case. 593 00:28:32,020 --> 00:28:35,380 Find the package in the truck easier because it's reading a barcode or 594 00:28:35,380 --> 00:28:37,090 using a QR code or something like that. 595 00:28:37,390 --> 00:28:40,690 The pictures that we all get, not all, but a lot of us get from 596 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,060 like UPS or something like that, whenever it's delivered to your door. 597 00:28:43,060 --> 00:28:45,400 They just gotta walk up and go picture, boom, done. 598 00:28:45,670 --> 00:28:48,220 You know, as they're dropping it off, I don't know what the time it takes 599 00:28:48,220 --> 00:28:51,910 for them to take that picture is, but you know, you're shaving that off of 600 00:28:51,910 --> 00:28:53,530 however many packages you're delivering. 601 00:28:54,010 --> 00:28:58,000 Every day driving directions you name it. 602 00:28:58,060 --> 00:29:03,430 This to me is, you know, would be in the textbooks for great uses of ar. 603 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:04,960 That's the first comment. 604 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,020 The second comment is, how important is this given the fact 605 00:29:08,020 --> 00:29:10,330 that Amazon's gonna just move to complete robotics for everything. 606 00:29:10,330 --> 00:29:10,510 Now, 607 00:29:12,580 --> 00:29:14,290 given that they can't do that in urban areas yet. 608 00:29:15,295 --> 00:29:15,715 Let's hope not. 609 00:29:15,715 --> 00:29:16,880 It's, it's gonna, it's gonna be long. 610 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:17,665 So it's a bridging technology, 611 00:29:17,665 --> 00:29:22,735 but I mean, the move towards robotic warehousing, not to mention the, you know, 612 00:29:22,885 --> 00:29:25,045 delivery of drones and things like that. 613 00:29:25,675 --> 00:29:30,745 You know, you start, you start asking where is all this fit within the, you 614 00:29:30,745 --> 00:29:35,125 know, the, the magic wall of strategy that they, I'm assuming they have at Amazon. 615 00:29:35,725 --> 00:29:40,015 So a whole other set of conversations I think that are tied together with 616 00:29:40,015 --> 00:29:42,055 this and economics 'cause of course. 617 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,940 Which is cheaper, I think is the real thing that Frank is asking. 618 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:51,370 The person who's driving or the AI processing power and the 619 00:29:51,370 --> 00:29:52,870 person may be cheaper nowadays 620 00:29:54,130 --> 00:29:54,400 in the future. 621 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:57,190 Well, but they mentioned they are looking at releasing a 622 00:29:57,190 --> 00:29:58,625 consumer version too, so, yes. 623 00:29:59,050 --> 00:29:59,170 Yeah. 624 00:29:59,170 --> 00:30:00,700 They're also thinking about making money that way. 625 00:30:01,150 --> 00:30:03,970 And also apparently you have to wear a vest and so there's gonna be a giant 626 00:30:03,970 --> 00:30:06,490 button that'll do the trigger, the photo. 627 00:30:06,730 --> 00:30:09,310 So yeah, I thought that was interesting. 628 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:14,050 When I was thinking about this, there were se several things that came to, to mind 629 00:30:14,050 --> 00:30:19,130 if you're thinking about the materials and construction, but also how these 630 00:30:19,130 --> 00:30:21,530 services are delivered logistically. 631 00:30:21,810 --> 00:30:25,650 And for Amazon, everything is vertical and integrated, but for a lot of 632 00:30:25,650 --> 00:30:28,980 companies, like they said, for you know, businesses or independent 633 00:30:28,980 --> 00:30:29,970 people could buy them, it's. 634 00:30:29,990 --> 00:30:34,410 Some point that a lot of times those end up being the cost is on the people 635 00:30:34,410 --> 00:30:38,050 that are doing the, the deliver the deliveries or the companies because 636 00:30:38,050 --> 00:30:39,910 that becomes a, a lease situation. 637 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:43,060 But my question is, is about the robustness in the heat and 638 00:30:43,060 --> 00:30:45,160 the cold and on battery life. 639 00:30:45,700 --> 00:30:47,860 You know, because I was thinking about that before. 640 00:30:47,860 --> 00:30:51,190 I was thinking about like Disney, but other places where you could use it. 641 00:30:51,190 --> 00:30:54,520 And I was like, well for, you know, mountain climbing tour, things 642 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:55,990 like that, it would be very useful. 643 00:30:55,990 --> 00:31:00,760 But then you get into a lot of battery life and just the impact of hot cold. 644 00:31:01,870 --> 00:31:06,050 And the other place for this, you could see showing up or replacing you 645 00:31:06,050 --> 00:31:08,300 know, body cams for the police, right? 646 00:31:08,300 --> 00:31:09,350 What if they're their. 647 00:31:09,835 --> 00:31:14,765 Asked to, you know, carry these and use that as a way of documenting stops and 648 00:31:14,765 --> 00:31:16,355 arrests and that sort of stuff like that. 649 00:31:16,385 --> 00:31:19,175 You, and, and that's happening at some level in some places, 650 00:31:19,175 --> 00:31:22,055 but, you know, you can see that becoming a much more pervasive way 651 00:31:22,565 --> 00:31:26,105 for police work to use, to have accountability and that sort of thing. 652 00:31:26,105 --> 00:31:28,295 So there's a lot of interesting applications here. 653 00:31:29,090 --> 00:31:29,690 And so 654 00:31:30,860 --> 00:31:33,980 again, news items, but also for this week, our topic. 655 00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:37,525 So that's it for the news end. 656 00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:50,870 So in our web corner, the. 657 00:31:52,505 --> 00:31:56,225 Leventhal Map and Education Center at the Boston Public Library has 658 00:31:56,225 --> 00:32:02,535 created Atlas Scope which they are pushing out to all of Massachusetts. 659 00:32:02,775 --> 00:32:06,225 And it, it is a way to explore the different layers of 660 00:32:06,225 --> 00:32:09,005 history in the Boston region. 661 00:32:09,005 --> 00:32:09,845 It's pretty cool. 662 00:32:09,905 --> 00:32:12,875 It is like a more robust. 663 00:32:13,195 --> 00:32:17,515 Version of the spy scoop that you would see in a story map. 664 00:32:17,855 --> 00:32:22,965 But involves a lot of work by researchers, genealogists, local historians, 665 00:32:22,965 --> 00:32:25,035 archeologists, educators, and others. 666 00:32:25,315 --> 00:32:28,795 And they're reaching out because if you're in that region, if 667 00:32:28,795 --> 00:32:31,245 you're in Massachusetts, you can you know, get involved. 668 00:32:31,645 --> 00:32:34,015 And tell your story with the Atlas scope. 669 00:32:34,345 --> 00:32:36,985 It also would be neat to see if there are other things like 670 00:32:36,985 --> 00:32:38,415 this elsewhere in the world. 671 00:32:38,905 --> 00:32:40,585 It's a very fun tool to use 672 00:32:41,905 --> 00:32:43,530 lots of Sanborn maps, which is. 673 00:32:44,305 --> 00:32:49,725 You know, a great way to, to show historic back to 1870 674 00:32:49,995 --> 00:32:51,590 something, I think 60 something 675 00:33:01,260 --> 00:33:03,105 onto the events corner. 676 00:33:03,105 --> 00:33:03,975 Of course, that'll help 677 00:33:04,275 --> 00:33:05,265 go to conferences now. 678 00:33:06,660 --> 00:33:10,980 First up is Geo AI 2026, which is June 3rd through the fifth 679 00:33:10,980 --> 00:33:13,080 and Gent City Center, Belgium. 680 00:33:13,350 --> 00:33:16,300 The call for papers or is due January 20th. 681 00:33:16,420 --> 00:33:17,230 If you want to present 682 00:33:17,980 --> 00:33:22,270 the 2026 International Conference on geographical information systems, theory, 683 00:33:22,270 --> 00:33:29,620 applications and management or GIS Tam will be May 21st to the 23rd in Benor, 684 00:33:29,620 --> 00:33:31,990 Spain and its call for papers are due 685 00:33:31,990 --> 00:33:32,740 January 5th. 686 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:36,280 The 2026 GIS in Central Asia. 687 00:33:36,550 --> 00:33:43,660 JI SCA conference is the 28th through 30th of May and Te Uzbekistan. 688 00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,300 Of course, if you'd like to add your event to the podcast, send us an 689 00:33:46,300 --> 00:33:48,040 email to podcast@veryspatial.com. 690 00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:52,030 If you'd like to reach us individually, I can be reached at sue@veryspatial.com. 691 00:33:52,450 --> 00:33:54,640 I can be reached at barb@veryspatial.com. 692 00:33:54,820 --> 00:33:56,740 You can reach me atFrank@veryspatial.com. 693 00:33:57,145 --> 00:33:59,275 I'm available, kind of spatial, and of course you can find all 694 00:33:59,275 --> 00:34:02,545 of our contact information over at very spatial.com/contacts. 695 00:34:02,695 --> 00:34:03,235 As always, 696 00:34:03,865 --> 00:34:04,015 we're 697 00:34:04,015 --> 00:34:05,095 the folks in very spatial. 698 00:34:05,515 --> 00:34:06,205 Thanks for listening. 699 00:34:06,865 --> 00:34:07,885 We'll see you in a couple weeks. 700 00:36:14,075 --> 00:36:14,295 You, 701 00:36:16,655 --> 00:36:16,775 I.