1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,985 Speaker 1: When we reach perimenopause and menopause, 2 00:00:03,226 --> 00:00:06,492 Speaker 1: we arrive with a certain hormonal imbalance 3 00:00:06,973 --> 00:00:09,723 Speaker 1: already Right, and that's what's not being 4 00:00:09,763 --> 00:00:12,570 Speaker 1: addressed, and so it really is all about 5 00:00:12,770 --> 00:00:15,504 Speaker 1: the pre-hormone system how you're producing 6 00:00:15,966 --> 00:00:17,350 Speaker 1: your hormones or not. 7 00:00:17,580 --> 00:00:19,025 Speaker 2: Three things you're going to learn from 8 00:00:19,065 --> 00:00:20,209 Speaker 2: this episode today. 9 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:23,348 Speaker 2: Number one, why most doctors are using 10 00:00:23,568 --> 00:00:24,731 Speaker 2: outdated science. 11 00:00:25,300 --> 00:00:28,148 Speaker 2: Number two, the real reasons you're tired 12 00:00:28,389 --> 00:00:29,031 Speaker 2: all the time. 13 00:00:29,540 --> 00:00:32,468 Speaker 2: And number three, how to become the CEO of 14 00:00:32,508 --> 00:00:33,772 Speaker 2: your own body. 15 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:35,966 Speaker 2: Welcome to this episode of the Heartbeat 16 00:00:35,986 --> 00:00:36,950 Speaker 2: for Hire podcast. 17 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:40,407 Speaker 2: I feature Olympians, ceos, disruptors, 18 00:00:40,687 --> 00:00:43,092 Speaker 2: authors, professional athletes and the best 19 00:00:43,153 --> 00:00:44,802 Speaker 2: of the best where they share their stories 20 00:00:44,882 --> 00:00:47,308 Speaker 2: of resilience with my lens on leadership 21 00:00:47,348 --> 00:00:47,849 Speaker 2: and culture. 22 00:00:48,249 --> 00:00:49,031 Speaker 2: Let's get started. 23 00:00:49,552 --> 00:00:51,402 Speaker 2: What do you get when you combine a 24 00:00:51,503 --> 00:00:54,088 Speaker 2: naturopathic physician who refuses to 25 00:00:54,168 --> 00:00:57,642 Speaker 2: accept outdated data as gospel, the world's 26 00:00:57,723 --> 00:01:00,452 Speaker 2: leading authority on the pre-hormone system, 27 00:01:00,953 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 2: a straight-talking women's health expert 28 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:05,544 Speaker 2: who calls herself the hormone boss and a 29 00:01:05,624 --> 00:01:08,008 Speaker 2: mission to help women actually feel like 30 00:01:08,069 --> 00:01:08,990 Speaker 2: themselves again? 31 00:01:09,611 --> 00:01:11,635 Speaker 2: You get Dr Iris Crawford. 32 00:01:18,960 --> 00:01:19,922 Speaker 2: She is here to rewrite how we talk about 33 00:01:19,942 --> 00:01:20,764 Speaker 2: hormones, burnout, mood, energy and the 34 00:01:20,784 --> 00:01:21,525 Speaker 2: invisible load women carry every day. 35 00:01:21,545 --> 00:01:22,828 Speaker 2: And trust me, once you hear her break this 36 00:01:22,888 --> 00:01:25,213 Speaker 2: down, you will never look at hormones the 37 00:01:25,293 --> 00:01:26,181 Speaker 2: same way again. 38 00:01:26,542 --> 00:01:28,266 Speaker 2: Welcome to the show, my friend. 39 00:01:29,468 --> 00:01:31,813 Speaker 1: Hi, thank you so much, Lindsay, for having 40 00:01:31,853 --> 00:01:31,973 Speaker 1: me. 41 00:01:32,013 --> 00:01:33,062 Speaker 1: I'm really excited to be here. 42 00:01:33,683 --> 00:01:37,451 Speaker 2: I am so happy you're here and I start every 43 00:01:37,511 --> 00:01:40,163 Speaker 2: show the same way and I always ask our 44 00:01:40,204 --> 00:01:41,648 Speaker 2: guests to please share a little bit of 45 00:01:41,668 --> 00:01:50,143 Speaker 2: their story our guests to please share a 46 00:01:51,369 --> 00:01:52,715 Speaker 2: little bit of their story. 47 00:01:52,735 --> 00:01:53,096 Speaker 1: Where to begin? 48 00:01:53,116 --> 00:01:53,940 Speaker 1: Well, let's see my story. 49 00:01:59,900 --> 00:02:00,862 Speaker 1: I think my story really starts with the 50 00:02:00,882 --> 00:02:01,704 Speaker 1: fact that, you know, I grew up in a family 51 00:02:01,724 --> 00:02:02,566 Speaker 1: where it was just my mom and my sister and 52 00:02:02,586 --> 00:02:03,829 Speaker 1: I, and you know, my mom was sick all the 53 00:02:03,849 --> 00:02:08,368 Speaker 1: time and we didn't have money or resources 54 00:02:09,150 --> 00:02:11,677 Speaker 1: and she, you know, she, was in and out of 55 00:02:11,697 --> 00:02:12,298 Speaker 1: the hospital. 56 00:02:12,358 --> 00:02:14,864 Speaker 1: She didn't know anything about health and 57 00:02:15,425 --> 00:02:19,132 Speaker 1: that was really difficult and I knew from 58 00:02:19,152 --> 00:02:21,562 Speaker 1: an early age that that wasn't, that there 59 00:02:21,582 --> 00:02:22,404 Speaker 1: was something wrong with that. 60 00:02:22,424 --> 00:02:24,690 Speaker 1: It just didn't like align with me. 61 00:02:25,031 --> 00:02:29,648 Speaker 1: And so eventually I I met someone, I think 62 00:02:29,668 --> 00:02:33,354 Speaker 1: when I was a teenager, I met someone who, 63 00:02:34,721 --> 00:02:36,467 Speaker 1: you know, she, she and her mom were 64 00:02:36,487 --> 00:02:39,778 Speaker 1: vegetarian and and like they, they lived 65 00:02:39,798 --> 00:02:42,183 Speaker 1: this healthy lifestyle and I was just like 66 00:02:42,263 --> 00:02:43,605 Speaker 1: Whoa, you know, I didn't even know any of 67 00:02:43,645 --> 00:02:45,408 Speaker 1: that, was that that existed? 68 00:02:45,468 --> 00:02:48,372 Speaker 1: And just kind of a light bulb went off and 69 00:02:48,392 --> 00:02:49,534 Speaker 1: I'm like I want that. 70 00:02:50,295 --> 00:02:54,546 Speaker 1: And then, you know a little bit, you know, 71 00:02:54,646 --> 00:02:57,532 Speaker 1: years go by and I'm finally able to kind of 72 00:02:57,592 --> 00:02:58,294 Speaker 1: get into. 73 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:00,304 Speaker 1: You know, I wanted education. 74 00:03:00,384 --> 00:03:02,469 Speaker 1: I wanted, I wanted to know everything about 75 00:03:02,489 --> 00:03:05,167 Speaker 1: the world and and the way that I was raised. 76 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:08,349 Speaker 1: You know, education wasn't really, you know, 77 00:03:08,389 --> 00:03:11,835 Speaker 1: valued and no one even graduated from high 78 00:03:11,895 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 1: school right. 79 00:03:12,900 --> 00:03:18,485 Speaker 1: So I eventually got my GED and then I got 80 00:03:20,110 --> 00:03:22,980 Speaker 1: into, I went to a community college. 81 00:03:22,980 --> 00:03:23,901 Speaker 1: I did my high school in community college. 82 00:03:23,832 --> 00:03:24,855 Speaker 1: Basically, I went four years to a community 83 00:03:24,786 --> 00:03:25,047 Speaker 1: college. 84 00:03:24,978 --> 00:03:25,298 Speaker 1: I did my high school in community college. 85 00:03:25,229 --> 00:03:26,571 Speaker 1: Basically, I went four years to a community 86 00:03:26,611 --> 00:03:29,514 Speaker 1: college and during that time I was able to 87 00:03:29,795 --> 00:03:34,386 Speaker 1: um, go on a tour of um, a naturopathic 88 00:03:34,746 --> 00:03:37,672 Speaker 1: medical university it was a college at the 89 00:03:37,712 --> 00:03:42,967 Speaker 1: time in Seattle and um, and I just looked 90 00:03:43,007 --> 00:03:45,032 Speaker 1: at the curriculum and I was like this ology 91 00:03:45,072 --> 00:03:47,063 Speaker 1: and that ology and my mind was just like 92 00:03:47,785 --> 00:03:50,071 Speaker 1: exploding because I was just hungry for 93 00:03:50,151 --> 00:03:55,725 Speaker 1: knowledge, and I knew from the way that my 94 00:03:55,826 --> 00:03:59,331 Speaker 1: family was experiencing life that the way 95 00:03:59,512 --> 00:04:02,301 Speaker 1: out of poverty was through health, because 96 00:04:03,164 --> 00:04:05,690 Speaker 1: it just seemed like those two things went 97 00:04:05,730 --> 00:04:06,492 Speaker 1: hand in hand. 98 00:04:07,260 --> 00:04:13,089 Speaker 1: So it just drove me to want to, you know, 99 00:04:13,830 --> 00:04:16,434 Speaker 1: yeah, create something totally different 100 00:04:16,454 --> 00:04:16,815 Speaker 1: from that. 101 00:04:17,261 --> 00:04:19,565 Speaker 2: Yeah, health and education, right, I mean 102 00:04:20,246 --> 00:04:24,294 Speaker 2: education introduced you to a paradigm and 103 00:04:24,554 --> 00:04:27,540 Speaker 2: a way of living and information that you 104 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:29,867 Speaker 2: never would have had, and that's not your 105 00:04:29,927 --> 00:04:32,476 Speaker 2: fault that that was the way that you were, 106 00:04:32,737 --> 00:04:34,883 Speaker 2: you were raised, but now that you know 107 00:04:34,943 --> 00:04:36,105 Speaker 2: better, you can do better. 108 00:04:36,386 --> 00:04:39,072 Speaker 2: So, okay, so you get introduced to this 109 00:04:39,192 --> 00:04:42,204 Speaker 2: naturopathic way of being. 110 00:04:42,524 --> 00:04:43,666 Speaker 2: And then what happened? 111 00:04:44,808 --> 00:04:48,434 Speaker 1: Well, so then I went on a very long journey 112 00:04:48,534 --> 00:04:52,166 Speaker 1: of completing college and had a lot of 113 00:04:52,226 --> 00:04:53,148 Speaker 1: failures on the way. 114 00:04:53,348 --> 00:04:56,594 Speaker 1: You know, I really struggled because I 115 00:04:56,780 --> 00:04:59,148 Speaker 1: didn't have the support and the resources 116 00:04:59,449 --> 00:05:02,518 Speaker 1: that maybe a lot of people have Right, and 117 00:05:02,619 --> 00:05:03,622 Speaker 1: so I really struggled. 118 00:05:03,682 --> 00:05:05,328 Speaker 1: I didn't know how to do school. 119 00:05:05,660 --> 00:05:08,707 Speaker 1: You know, and well learning to study is, is 120 00:05:08,767 --> 00:05:09,048 Speaker 1: not? 121 00:05:09,849 --> 00:05:11,633 Speaker 2: you don't come wired with that. 122 00:05:12,380 --> 00:05:15,427 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Plus, you know my mom, my mom 123 00:05:15,447 --> 00:05:15,507 Speaker 2: was. 124 00:05:15,587 --> 00:05:18,493 Speaker 1: She had mental illness and growing up in 125 00:05:18,533 --> 00:05:21,766 Speaker 1: that kind of instability, that volatility 126 00:05:22,407 --> 00:05:24,672 Speaker 1: it does, it does things to a developing 127 00:05:24,712 --> 00:05:27,643 Speaker 1: brain Right and and I think that I was a 128 00:05:27,724 --> 00:05:30,490 Speaker 1: different learner and so I wasn't one of 129 00:05:30,530 --> 00:05:34,704 Speaker 1: those people who could just um, I wasn't a 130 00:05:34,744 --> 00:05:36,668 Speaker 1: really good test taker, you know what I 131 00:05:36,708 --> 00:05:36,889 Speaker 1: mean? 132 00:05:37,770 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 1: Um, I was a very good student, though I was 133 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:43,587 Speaker 1: a straight A student and, uh, by the time I 134 00:05:43,647 --> 00:05:46,732 Speaker 1: got to medical school, I was definitely a 135 00:05:46,772 --> 00:05:49,322 Speaker 1: straight A student and had many years 136 00:05:49,502 --> 00:05:50,064 Speaker 1: behind me. 137 00:05:50,585 --> 00:05:52,229 Speaker 1: And then, when I got into medical school, 138 00:05:53,211 --> 00:05:54,313 Speaker 1: it wasn't a good experience. 139 00:05:54,373 --> 00:05:56,703 Speaker 1: It was very, very traumatic. 140 00:05:57,704 --> 00:06:01,508 Speaker 1: So I actually ended up getting dismissed 141 00:06:02,690 --> 00:06:05,533 Speaker 1: and then I had to transfer to a different 142 00:06:05,553 --> 00:06:06,274 Speaker 1: medical school. 143 00:06:08,396 --> 00:06:09,983 Speaker 1: You know, thanks to the support of my 144 00:06:10,043 --> 00:06:11,387 Speaker 1: husband he was I, because I was just 145 00:06:11,427 --> 00:06:12,029 Speaker 1: devastated. 146 00:06:12,430 --> 00:06:14,486 Speaker 1: I thought this was my entire everything 147 00:06:14,607 --> 00:06:16,795 Speaker 1: everything you bet on for 10 years I've 148 00:06:16,815 --> 00:06:18,301 Speaker 1: been going to college and doing all these 149 00:06:18,341 --> 00:06:20,429 Speaker 1: things to get into this medical school and 150 00:06:20,469 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 1: I thought my dream was over all of that, 151 00:06:23,340 --> 00:06:25,506 Speaker 1: and so I ended up transferring to a 152 00:06:25,546 --> 00:06:26,168 Speaker 1: different medical school. 153 00:06:26,188 --> 00:06:31,082 Speaker 1: And it turns out it wasn't me, so it was. 154 00:06:31,803 --> 00:06:33,546 Speaker 1: You know that that school had a lot of 155 00:06:33,586 --> 00:06:37,812 Speaker 1: problems going on, that one thing led to 156 00:06:37,852 --> 00:06:39,415 Speaker 1: another and it was just the situation was 157 00:06:39,455 --> 00:06:39,875 Speaker 1: not right. 158 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:43,348 Speaker 1: So once I kind of let go, I was gripping 159 00:06:43,388 --> 00:06:44,832 Speaker 1: that, thinking that was the only way to my 160 00:06:44,872 --> 00:06:45,233 Speaker 1: dream. 161 00:06:46,261 --> 00:06:50,168 Speaker 1: And once I let go of that, I went to this 162 00:06:50,208 --> 00:06:51,690 Speaker 1: other medical school and I was so. 163 00:06:52,071 --> 00:06:52,973 Speaker 1: It was like night and day. 164 00:06:53,133 --> 00:06:56,108 Speaker 1: I was welcomed, I had an instant community. 165 00:06:57,442 --> 00:06:58,967 Speaker 1: I mean, it was just an incredible 166 00:06:59,007 --> 00:07:02,828 Speaker 1: experience, and so I really was lucky that 167 00:07:02,868 --> 00:07:03,370 Speaker 1: that happened. 168 00:07:03,450 --> 00:07:04,412 Speaker 1: Actually, yeah. 169 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:07,181 Speaker 1: Because I'm a better doctor now because of 170 00:07:07,241 --> 00:07:08,063 Speaker 1: that experience. 171 00:07:08,143 --> 00:07:12,595 Speaker 1: So I'm really fortunate and, you know, 172 00:07:12,615 --> 00:07:14,921 Speaker 1: grateful for that experience, even though 173 00:07:15,062 --> 00:07:16,044 Speaker 1: it was very difficult. 174 00:07:16,606 --> 00:07:18,651 Speaker 1: And then when I did finally graduate, so it 175 00:07:18,671 --> 00:07:23,851 Speaker 1: was like 15 years of college, five of which 176 00:07:24,212 --> 00:07:26,558 Speaker 1: medical school, and then, you know, after 177 00:07:26,578 --> 00:07:28,383 Speaker 1: that, because that was all so traumatic, I 178 00:07:28,403 --> 00:07:29,366 Speaker 1: mean I was burned out. 179 00:07:29,927 --> 00:07:34,039 Speaker 1: I was burned out, I was exhausted, I was 180 00:07:34,060 --> 00:07:38,564 Speaker 1: having panic attacks, I was overweight, I 181 00:07:38,624 --> 00:07:41,507 Speaker 1: couldn't, and I was the naturopathic doctor 182 00:07:41,687 --> 00:07:45,451 Speaker 1: and I figured that out for myself, right, 183 00:07:46,091 --> 00:07:46,752 Speaker 1: you know that. 184 00:07:46,792 --> 00:07:48,814 Speaker 1: so that's kind of like, yeah, so that was. 185 00:07:49,394 --> 00:07:51,376 Speaker 1: I graduated almost 20 years ago. 186 00:07:58,541 --> 00:07:59,665 Speaker 2: And so that was, yeah, the first kind of 187 00:07:59,725 --> 00:08:00,527 Speaker 2: the first half of how I got here. 188 00:08:00,547 --> 00:08:01,510 Speaker 2: So for those people that don't know what a 189 00:08:01,571 --> 00:08:04,460 Speaker 2: naturopathic doctor does, could you maybe 190 00:08:04,581 --> 00:08:05,820 Speaker 2: just level set for everyone? 191 00:08:06,381 --> 00:08:09,126 Speaker 1: Yeah, so there are. 192 00:08:09,307 --> 00:08:11,872 Speaker 1: There are naturopaths and then there are 193 00:08:11,932 --> 00:08:13,461 Speaker 1: naturopathic doctors or naturopathic 194 00:08:13,481 --> 00:08:18,411 Speaker 1: physicians and the the differentiation 195 00:08:18,631 --> 00:08:20,361 Speaker 1: between those two things, which I think is 196 00:08:20,380 --> 00:08:21,362 Speaker 1: the first thing I want to kind of 197 00:08:21,402 --> 00:08:21,903 Speaker 1: differentiate. 198 00:08:22,243 --> 00:08:26,529 Speaker 1: Differentiate is that naturopathic medicine 199 00:08:27,230 --> 00:08:30,434 Speaker 1: are it's only regulated licensed as a as a 200 00:08:30,494 --> 00:08:33,624 Speaker 1: regulated profession in I think, 21 States 201 00:08:34,266 --> 00:08:35,650 Speaker 1: I could be off on the number about 21 202 00:08:35,710 --> 00:08:36,612 Speaker 1: States at the moment. 203 00:08:36,940 --> 00:08:38,403 Speaker 1: So about half the country actually 204 00:08:38,504 --> 00:08:40,769 Speaker 1: regulates us as a profession. 205 00:08:41,651 --> 00:08:43,622 Speaker 1: The States that it's not regulated as a 206 00:08:43,683 --> 00:08:46,150 Speaker 1: profession where we can call ourselves 207 00:08:46,250 --> 00:08:46,631 Speaker 1: doctor. 208 00:08:47,561 --> 00:08:49,648 Speaker 1: Anyone can call themselves a naturopathic 209 00:08:49,688 --> 00:08:49,989 Speaker 1: doctor. 210 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:55,187 Speaker 1: They have a place, okay, so it's not an us 211 00:08:55,227 --> 00:08:55,709 Speaker 1: and them thing. 212 00:08:55,769 --> 00:08:58,960 Speaker 1: But it's important to differentiate 213 00:08:59,442 --> 00:09:02,011 Speaker 1: depending on what you want to get out of it, 214 00:09:02,051 --> 00:09:05,264 Speaker 1: right, because you know you don't want to. 215 00:09:05,304 --> 00:09:06,873 Speaker 1: It's kind of misleading to go to someone 216 00:09:06,893 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 1: who says they're a naturopathic doctor when 217 00:09:08,380 --> 00:09:10,365 Speaker 1: they didn't necessarily they didn't go to 218 00:09:10,405 --> 00:09:11,448 Speaker 1: medical school, Right? 219 00:09:11,949 --> 00:09:15,144 Speaker 1: So naturopathic physician, they'll have ND 220 00:09:15,605 --> 00:09:16,568 Speaker 1: after their name as long as they're 221 00:09:16,588 --> 00:09:17,290 Speaker 1: regulated state. 222 00:09:17,310 --> 00:09:17,912 Speaker 1: They can do that. 223 00:09:18,781 --> 00:09:21,326 Speaker 1: In Arizona it's NMD naturopathic medical 224 00:09:21,447 --> 00:09:23,732 Speaker 1: doctor, and it's because we went to. 225 00:09:23,892 --> 00:09:28,887 Speaker 1: We go to an accredited medical school and 226 00:09:28,967 --> 00:09:31,031 Speaker 1: it's we learn everything that MDs learn, 227 00:09:31,873 --> 00:09:33,383 Speaker 1: everything from minor surgery to 228 00:09:33,483 --> 00:09:35,689 Speaker 1: prescription medication, so we can 229 00:09:35,729 --> 00:09:36,992 Speaker 1: prescribe medicine and all of that. 230 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:39,966 Speaker 1: But the thing is is that we specialize in 231 00:09:40,086 --> 00:09:42,412 Speaker 1: reversal of chronic disease and looking for 232 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:44,643 Speaker 1: the root cause of disease, not just 233 00:09:45,925 --> 00:09:47,487 Speaker 1: matching drugs to symptoms. 234 00:09:47,788 --> 00:09:52,334 Speaker 1: And so for me, I, ever since I was a kid, I 235 00:09:52,374 --> 00:09:53,456 Speaker 1: always wanted to know why. 236 00:09:54,623 --> 00:09:56,889 Speaker 1: Why, like, if something's happening, it's a 237 00:09:56,949 --> 00:09:57,731 Speaker 1: problem to solve? 238 00:09:57,951 --> 00:10:01,425 Speaker 1: I'm like why is that happening? 239 00:10:01,906 --> 00:10:04,630 Speaker 1: So I've always had that curiosity and that 240 00:10:04,690 --> 00:10:08,263 Speaker 1: investigative mind, and so it's a great fit 241 00:10:08,323 --> 00:10:10,169 Speaker 1: that I get to solve problems like that all 242 00:10:10,189 --> 00:10:13,466 Speaker 1: day and really get to the root cause, so 243 00:10:14,408 --> 00:10:16,973 Speaker 1: and so that's kind of how naturopathic 244 00:10:17,013 --> 00:10:20,166 Speaker 1: medicine is different from, you know, md, 245 00:10:20,467 --> 00:10:22,312 Speaker 1: conventional, insurance-based medicine. 246 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:23,381 Speaker 2: No, that's great. 247 00:10:23,481 --> 00:10:26,067 Speaker 2: So so I met you through our dear friend, 248 00:10:26,107 --> 00:10:28,832 Speaker 2: ricky Passanelli, who we love and adore, 249 00:10:28,892 --> 00:10:30,862 Speaker 2: and Ricky's been on the show before, and 250 00:10:32,085 --> 00:10:34,390 Speaker 2: you and I also did a live together because 251 00:10:34,691 --> 00:10:36,701 Speaker 2: I thought what you were doing was so 252 00:10:37,282 --> 00:10:38,324 Speaker 2: freaking important. 253 00:10:38,825 --> 00:10:41,249 Speaker 2: And you know, I'm in my fifties. 254 00:10:42,531 --> 00:10:45,681 Speaker 2: I've been technically post-menopausal for 255 00:10:45,942 --> 00:10:48,447 Speaker 2: years, but I didn't really understand what 256 00:10:48,487 --> 00:10:52,154 Speaker 2: that meant and I think the information out 257 00:10:52,220 --> 00:10:56,548 Speaker 2: there that most people are fed is old and 258 00:10:56,668 --> 00:11:00,594 Speaker 2: inaccurate, and you taught me a lot about 259 00:11:00,635 --> 00:11:03,707 Speaker 2: what the real deal is and I was like I have 260 00:11:03,727 --> 00:11:04,729 Speaker 2: to have you on my show. 261 00:11:04,809 --> 00:11:07,061 Speaker 2: I have to do this for the other women and 262 00:11:07,081 --> 00:11:08,704 Speaker 2: the men who love the women in their lives. 263 00:11:08,784 --> 00:11:11,669 Speaker 2: This is really important that we understand 264 00:11:11,709 --> 00:11:11,930 Speaker 2: this. 265 00:11:12,290 --> 00:11:15,957 Speaker 2: And I want to stress by saying this is not 266 00:11:16,017 --> 00:11:18,727 Speaker 2: bashing our Western doctors, this is not 267 00:11:19,910 --> 00:11:22,377 Speaker 2: putting shade on them, but there is a real 268 00:11:22,438 --> 00:11:23,260 Speaker 2: lack of information. 269 00:11:23,420 --> 00:11:25,224 Speaker 2: There is in women's health in general. 270 00:11:26,106 --> 00:11:28,851 Speaker 2: But why don't we just kind of start with I 271 00:11:28,911 --> 00:11:30,053 Speaker 2: mean general, but why don't we just kind of 272 00:11:30,074 --> 00:11:31,416 Speaker 2: start with I mean we call you the hormone 273 00:11:31,456 --> 00:11:31,737 Speaker 2: boss? 274 00:11:40,628 --> 00:11:41,953 Speaker 1: you call you the hormone boss. 275 00:11:41,973 --> 00:11:42,877 Speaker 1: Why and what do people need to know about 276 00:11:42,897 --> 00:11:43,560 Speaker 1: what's really going on? 277 00:11:44,940 --> 00:11:45,802 Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's interesting the time that 278 00:11:45,822 --> 00:11:46,664 Speaker 1: we're in right now, because there's a huge 279 00:11:46,684 --> 00:11:48,167 Speaker 1: kind of glut of information out there, 280 00:11:48,368 --> 00:11:50,332 Speaker 1: because there's a clash happening, because 281 00:11:50,393 --> 00:11:52,224 Speaker 1: we're we're in a big transition in our 282 00:11:52,264 --> 00:11:53,026 Speaker 1: knowledge base. 283 00:11:53,186 --> 00:11:55,632 Speaker 1: We're in a, uh, a paradigm shift right now, 284 00:11:56,100 --> 00:11:59,046 Speaker 1: which is good, um, yes, it is good, uh, so, 285 00:11:59,326 --> 00:12:02,353 Speaker 1: but it can feel there's tension, disruptive, 286 00:12:02,453 --> 00:12:07,168 Speaker 1: yeah, yep, so, um, I think that really, uh, 287 00:12:07,268 --> 00:12:11,416 Speaker 1: what's so important for, for what I want to 288 00:12:11,536 --> 00:12:14,302 Speaker 1: kind of bring out to the world, is the fact 289 00:12:14,382 --> 00:12:19,391 Speaker 1: that it's not just about HRT, right, like 290 00:12:19,471 --> 00:12:19,612 Speaker 1: it's. 291 00:12:19,772 --> 00:12:21,602 Speaker 1: There's so much knowledge, normal 292 00:12:21,622 --> 00:12:24,102 Speaker 1: replacement therapy, yeah, and that's 293 00:12:24,282 --> 00:12:28,168 Speaker 1: that's, like it's such a simplistic way to 294 00:12:28,248 --> 00:12:28,950 Speaker 1: view things. 295 00:12:28,990 --> 00:12:31,654 Speaker 1: There's a whole world of how women's bodies 296 00:12:31,874 --> 00:12:35,605 Speaker 1: work, right, our physiology, our biology 297 00:12:36,066 --> 00:12:39,732 Speaker 1: and it, our chemistry, right, and all of 298 00:12:39,812 --> 00:12:43,503 Speaker 1: that is kind of being shoved aside in a way. 299 00:12:44,204 --> 00:12:46,887 Speaker 1: And we know for decades for I don't know 300 00:12:47,488 --> 00:12:51,613 Speaker 1: longer than that, forever women's like they 301 00:12:51,633 --> 00:12:52,915 Speaker 1: go to the doctor or whatever, and they're 302 00:12:52,935 --> 00:12:54,257 Speaker 1: told don't know longer than that, forever, 303 00:12:54,277 --> 00:12:55,138 Speaker 1: women's like they go to the doctor or 304 00:12:55,158 --> 00:12:55,859 Speaker 1: whatever, and they're told you know 305 00:12:55,899 --> 00:12:56,740 Speaker 1: everything's normal, so it must all be in 306 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:56,940 Speaker 1: your head. 307 00:12:57,560 --> 00:12:58,664 Speaker 1: This is just the change of life, or you're 308 00:12:58,684 --> 00:12:59,347 Speaker 1: just getting older. 309 00:12:59,420 --> 00:13:00,508 Speaker 1: You just have to put up with it. 310 00:13:00,789 --> 00:13:03,620 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think more and more women are 311 00:13:03,660 --> 00:13:05,885 Speaker 1: kind of awakening to the fact that that 312 00:13:05,925 --> 00:13:06,968 Speaker 1: really isn't good enough. 313 00:13:07,395 --> 00:13:08,914 Speaker 2: No, it's really not. 314 00:13:09,276 --> 00:13:11,781 Speaker 2: And if you are listening to this show and 315 00:13:11,821 --> 00:13:14,667 Speaker 2: you are tired and you're not sleeping, 316 00:13:15,028 --> 00:13:16,984 Speaker 2: you're dealing with hot flashes, or maybe 317 00:13:17,024 --> 00:13:18,752 Speaker 2: you don't have hot flashes, but other 318 00:13:18,792 --> 00:13:19,696 Speaker 2: things are going on. 319 00:13:20,137 --> 00:13:23,085 Speaker 2: There's likely a hormonal imbalance of some 320 00:13:23,146 --> 00:13:25,039 Speaker 2: kind, and this is one of the things that I 321 00:13:25,099 --> 00:13:27,465 Speaker 2: learned through Iris imbalance of some kind, 322 00:13:27,486 --> 00:13:29,070 Speaker 2: and this is one of the things that I 323 00:13:29,090 --> 00:13:30,253 Speaker 2: learned through Iris. 324 00:13:30,273 --> 00:13:34,956 Speaker 2: And you know, I think the knee jerk 325 00:13:34,977 --> 00:13:35,678 Speaker 2: reaction is oh, she's the. 326 00:13:35,699 --> 00:13:36,441 Speaker 2: The blood work says she's menopausal. 327 00:13:36,461 --> 00:13:37,243 Speaker 2: Let's throw her on estrogen. 328 00:13:37,263 --> 00:13:38,246 Speaker 2: She's lacking estrogen and it is a really 329 00:13:38,286 --> 00:13:40,271 Speaker 2: uneducated stab in the dark. 330 00:13:40,953 --> 00:13:44,001 Speaker 2: Um, that that's making I personally, I am 331 00:13:44,081 --> 00:13:44,342 Speaker 2: not. 332 00:13:44,622 --> 00:13:45,685 Speaker 2: I have plenty of estrogen. 333 00:13:45,765 --> 00:13:46,627 Speaker 2: That's not my problem. 334 00:13:46,807 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 2: I got other problems, um, and we discovered 335 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 2: that. 336 00:13:49,401 --> 00:13:51,385 Speaker 2: So let's talk a little bit about your 337 00:13:51,426 --> 00:13:54,680 Speaker 2: process and and why it's it is so 338 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:55,441 Speaker 2: comprehensive. 339 00:13:56,444 --> 00:13:59,536 Speaker 1: Yes, so the first thing is that what what 340 00:13:59,576 --> 00:14:01,598 Speaker 1: we need to understand is that when we reach 341 00:14:01,699 --> 00:14:05,084 Speaker 1: perimenopause and menopause, we arrive with 342 00:14:05,244 --> 00:14:09,570 Speaker 1: a certain hormonal imbalance already, and 343 00:14:09,670 --> 00:14:11,098 Speaker 1: that's what's not being addressed. 344 00:14:11,258 --> 00:14:13,704 Speaker 1: And so it really is all about the 345 00:14:13,764 --> 00:14:16,357 Speaker 1: pre-hormone system, how you're producing 346 00:14:16,799 --> 00:14:19,506 Speaker 1: your hormones or not, and in what balance, 347 00:14:19,847 --> 00:14:22,595 Speaker 1: and so we have to actually accurately 348 00:14:22,976 --> 00:14:26,283 Speaker 1: assess where everything is and how your 349 00:14:26,344 --> 00:14:28,288 Speaker 1: hormone production system is working. 350 00:14:28,695 --> 00:14:31,442 Speaker 1: So to just jump to the end result and say 351 00:14:31,823 --> 00:14:33,306 Speaker 1: you have too much of this or too little of 352 00:14:33,346 --> 00:14:36,581 Speaker 1: this, and you know it, it it ignores the 353 00:14:36,641 --> 00:14:37,122 Speaker 1: fact that. 354 00:14:37,362 --> 00:14:37,643 Speaker 1: Why? 355 00:14:38,866 --> 00:14:40,188 Speaker 1: Why do you have too much of something or 356 00:14:40,208 --> 00:14:40,816 Speaker 1: too little of something? 357 00:14:40,836 --> 00:14:42,962 Speaker 1: And most women are just set, you know, told 358 00:14:43,543 --> 00:14:45,276 Speaker 1: that well, it's because of menopause. 359 00:14:45,296 --> 00:14:46,519 Speaker 1: They're deficient in a hormone because of 360 00:14:46,579 --> 00:14:46,940 Speaker 1: menopause. 361 00:14:46,980 --> 00:14:49,546 Speaker 1: But what about all the women For example, 362 00:14:49,686 --> 00:14:51,457 Speaker 1: most of the women I test who are in 363 00:14:51,558 --> 00:14:52,700 Speaker 1: perimenopause or menopause? 364 00:14:53,081 --> 00:14:55,126 Speaker 1: They have hormone levels that are even 365 00:14:55,307 --> 00:14:56,836 Speaker 1: lower than menopausal ranges. 366 00:14:56,896 --> 00:14:57,938 Speaker 1: So why is that? 367 00:14:58,058 --> 00:15:01,122 Speaker 1: Or why is a postmenopausal woman deficient 368 00:15:01,642 --> 00:15:04,386 Speaker 1: for even menopausal ranges right? 369 00:15:04,947 --> 00:15:06,909 Speaker 1: Why it's not because she's in more 370 00:15:06,969 --> 00:15:08,151 Speaker 1: menopause than someone else. 371 00:15:08,315 --> 00:15:11,182 Speaker 1: There's something else going on with her 372 00:15:11,202 --> 00:15:16,353 Speaker 1: hormone system, and the real key is how 373 00:15:16,413 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 1: women's stress response system is affecting 374 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:20,202 Speaker 1: their hormone production. 375 00:15:21,044 --> 00:15:23,317 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's a piece I never understood. 376 00:15:23,417 --> 00:15:26,904 Speaker 2: I mean, I think on the surface, people tend 377 00:15:26,944 --> 00:15:29,737 Speaker 2: to wrap their head around menopause and 378 00:15:29,777 --> 00:15:32,603 Speaker 2: it's all about your menstrual cycle and 379 00:15:32,844 --> 00:15:34,448 Speaker 2: it's so much more than that. 380 00:15:34,528 --> 00:15:36,842 Speaker 2: There's adrenal function, there's cortisol 381 00:15:36,903 --> 00:15:39,311 Speaker 2: function, there's you know, I know, for me 382 00:15:39,673 --> 00:15:41,777 Speaker 2: my cholesterol went through the roof, um, 383 00:15:41,797 --> 00:15:42,778 Speaker 2: going through menopause and I hadn't 384 00:15:42,918 --> 00:15:44,661 Speaker 2: changed my and I hadn't changed my diet and 385 00:15:44,701 --> 00:15:47,424 Speaker 2: I hadn't changed my exercise and I eat real 386 00:15:47,464 --> 00:15:50,468 Speaker 2: healthy, so there wasn't really a reason 387 00:15:50,728 --> 00:15:51,950 Speaker 2: for that to happen. 388 00:15:51,990 --> 00:15:53,958 Speaker 2: And when I said it, my doctor was like 389 00:15:54,499 --> 00:15:56,625 Speaker 2: you're going to need to exercise more and I 390 00:15:56,665 --> 00:15:58,357 Speaker 2: was like you're going to need to go you 391 00:15:58,397 --> 00:16:00,463 Speaker 2: know what yourself, because I am not okay 392 00:16:00,483 --> 00:16:01,145 Speaker 2: with that answer. 393 00:16:01,205 --> 00:16:04,659 Speaker 2: I exercise a lot, so, yeah, I mean, there 394 00:16:04,759 --> 00:16:07,946 Speaker 2: is so many pieces to this puzzle and so to 395 00:16:08,107 --> 00:16:09,978 Speaker 2: isolate it to one thing is really a 396 00:16:09,998 --> 00:16:10,619 Speaker 2: disservice. 397 00:16:11,621 --> 00:16:14,246 Speaker 2: So let's just talk about how you work with 398 00:16:14,286 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 2: your clients, because I know for me, I 399 00:16:17,500 --> 00:16:19,264 Speaker 2: think most people expect that they're going 400 00:16:19,284 --> 00:16:20,995 Speaker 2: to do blood work and that's not how you 401 00:16:21,036 --> 00:16:21,456 Speaker 2: approach it. 402 00:16:21,556 --> 00:16:23,459 Speaker 2: So talk about your process and why. 403 00:16:24,621 --> 00:16:24,841 Speaker 1: Right. 404 00:16:24,922 --> 00:16:27,906 Speaker 1: So that is one of the things that is kind 405 00:16:27,946 --> 00:16:30,610 Speaker 1: of outdated in that we're just looking at 406 00:16:30,715 --> 00:16:33,215 Speaker 1: blood work and testing hormones in blood. 407 00:16:33,917 --> 00:16:35,581 Speaker 1: So what's happening is we're testing the 408 00:16:35,701 --> 00:16:37,987 Speaker 1: wrong things and in the wrong way. 409 00:16:38,135 --> 00:16:40,180 Speaker 1: Because when you test hormones in blood, 410 00:16:40,741 --> 00:16:42,766 Speaker 1: like the vast majority of doctors do, 411 00:16:43,167 --> 00:16:46,673 Speaker 1: they're checking what is actually bound in 412 00:16:46,733 --> 00:16:48,978 Speaker 1: blood, not the free circulating amount of 413 00:16:49,099 --> 00:16:50,682 Speaker 1: bioavailable hormones. 414 00:16:51,583 --> 00:16:55,296 Speaker 1: So I test via saliva there you can do urine 415 00:16:55,456 --> 00:16:58,703 Speaker 1: as well and you're in that way you're able 416 00:16:58,743 --> 00:17:00,688 Speaker 1: to test the full body amount of these 417 00:17:00,728 --> 00:17:01,109 Speaker 1: hormones. 418 00:17:01,735 --> 00:17:02,336 Speaker 1: That's number one. 419 00:17:02,356 --> 00:17:03,838 Speaker 1: But number two is you have to test the 420 00:17:03,878 --> 00:17:04,659 Speaker 1: right things. 421 00:17:05,220 --> 00:17:11,328 Speaker 1: It's not just estrogen and LH and FSH to 422 00:17:11,368 --> 00:17:13,171 Speaker 1: see are you in menopause or not. 423 00:17:14,615 --> 00:17:17,358 Speaker 1: Every woman at every age deserves to know 424 00:17:17,619 --> 00:17:19,861 Speaker 1: what all her hormones are doing, what her 425 00:17:19,901 --> 00:17:22,284 Speaker 1: hormone production system is doing, whether 426 00:17:22,324 --> 00:17:25,627 Speaker 1: it's working optimally and whether things 427 00:17:25,667 --> 00:17:26,628 Speaker 1: are in the right balance. 428 00:17:27,429 --> 00:17:31,198 Speaker 1: And so I think kind of it's it'd be helpful 429 00:17:31,218 --> 00:17:32,903 Speaker 1: to just kind of set aside the menopause 430 00:17:32,963 --> 00:17:35,640 Speaker 1: thing even and say like how healthy are my 431 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:37,988 Speaker 1: hormones just at any stage of life. 432 00:17:38,370 --> 00:17:39,695 Speaker 1: And honestly, if you catch it before 433 00:17:39,795 --> 00:17:41,398 Speaker 1: perimenopause, you're going to be so much 434 00:17:42,159 --> 00:17:45,966 Speaker 1: happier getting through that, because, I 435 00:17:45,987 --> 00:17:48,497 Speaker 1: mean, I've tested women all the way from 16 436 00:17:48,657 --> 00:17:52,003 Speaker 1: on up and the person who I tested, who was 437 00:17:52,043 --> 00:17:54,608 Speaker 1: 16, she was totally deficient in 438 00:17:54,628 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 1: progesterone and normal estrogen. 439 00:17:57,081 --> 00:17:59,870 Speaker 1: She was having panic attacks, and so this, 440 00:18:00,030 --> 00:18:01,736 Speaker 1: these hormonal imbalances, can happen at 441 00:18:01,856 --> 00:18:04,803 Speaker 1: any age, and it's all wrapped up in how 442 00:18:04,843 --> 00:18:06,627 Speaker 1: your hormone production system is affected 443 00:18:06,707 --> 00:18:08,318 Speaker 1: by your stress response. 444 00:18:09,140 --> 00:18:10,964 Speaker 1: And so testing the right things in the 445 00:18:11,004 --> 00:18:14,738 Speaker 1: right way means testing your pre-hormone 446 00:18:14,778 --> 00:18:17,504 Speaker 1: system, so the hormones of your adrenal 447 00:18:17,584 --> 00:18:20,289 Speaker 1: stress response, the hormones of your 448 00:18:20,355 --> 00:18:23,647 Speaker 1: circadian rhythm, your sleep-wake cycle, 449 00:18:23,828 --> 00:18:25,634 Speaker 1: because that's such a huge issue for most 450 00:18:25,674 --> 00:18:25,895 Speaker 1: women. 451 00:18:26,897 --> 00:18:29,441 Speaker 1: Rhythm, your sleep wake cycle, because 452 00:18:29,481 --> 00:18:30,623 Speaker 1: that's such a huge issue for most women and 453 00:18:30,643 --> 00:18:31,044 Speaker 1: your sex hormones. 454 00:18:31,064 --> 00:18:32,106 Speaker 1: So estrogen, progesterone, testosterone, 455 00:18:32,126 --> 00:18:34,029 Speaker 1: dhea and calculating the ratios. 456 00:18:42,297 --> 00:18:44,783 Speaker 1: So it's all going to give you the full 457 00:18:44,803 --> 00:18:46,227 Speaker 1: picture of exactly what's going on and how 458 00:18:46,247 --> 00:18:48,632 Speaker 1: to make an impact at the root cause of why 459 00:18:48,652 --> 00:18:49,775 Speaker 1: you have a hormonal deficiency or imbalance. 460 00:18:53,135 --> 00:18:53,938 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think the word you use, ratio, 461 00:18:53,958 --> 00:18:54,862 Speaker 2: is really important, because the number in 462 00:18:54,882 --> 00:18:55,746 Speaker 2: and of itself doesn't tell the full story. 463 00:18:55,766 --> 00:18:56,790 Speaker 2: You have to look at it in relation to the 464 00:18:56,870 --> 00:18:57,614 Speaker 2: other hormones. 465 00:18:57,714 --> 00:19:00,601 Speaker 2: So I mean, I learned I was in adrenal 466 00:19:00,641 --> 00:19:01,083 Speaker 2: fatigue. 467 00:19:01,183 --> 00:19:03,228 Speaker 2: I didn't even know my adrenals were tired. 468 00:19:04,677 --> 00:19:07,328 Speaker 2: So you know the way that I think. 469 00:19:07,349 --> 00:19:09,717 Speaker 2: The other thing that I learned from you is 470 00:19:09,777 --> 00:19:12,722 Speaker 2: that your body, it's not like the shop is 471 00:19:12,803 --> 00:19:16,329 Speaker 2: closed Once you go through menopause. 472 00:19:16,696 --> 00:19:19,301 Speaker 2: It's not like, oh, we're done now, we're 473 00:19:19,321 --> 00:19:21,767 Speaker 2: not producing anything anymore, like you 474 00:19:21,847 --> 00:19:23,819 Speaker 2: still can produce hormones. 475 00:19:24,140 --> 00:19:25,624 Speaker 2: So can you just talk a little bit about 476 00:19:25,704 --> 00:19:27,517 Speaker 2: that, because I think people really have a 477 00:19:27,557 --> 00:19:29,683 Speaker 2: misconception about how this works. 478 00:19:30,064 --> 00:19:31,427 Speaker 1: That's probably the biggest myth of all. 479 00:19:31,735 --> 00:19:33,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, women think that once they've gone 480 00:19:33,420 --> 00:19:34,443 Speaker 1: through menopause, they don't have any 481 00:19:34,484 --> 00:19:36,558 Speaker 1: hormones anymore and that therefore, they 482 00:19:36,598 --> 00:19:38,584 Speaker 1: have to replace what they don't have and 483 00:19:38,604 --> 00:19:39,587 Speaker 1: they don't make anymore. 484 00:19:40,315 --> 00:19:41,616 Speaker 1: And that's simply not true. 485 00:19:41,676 --> 00:19:43,458 Speaker 1: Now you could be totally deficient in 486 00:19:43,498 --> 00:19:43,898 Speaker 1: hormones. 487 00:19:43,918 --> 00:19:45,499 Speaker 1: You're not making a hormone, but it's not 488 00:19:45,540 --> 00:19:46,380 Speaker 1: because of menopause. 489 00:19:47,141 --> 00:19:49,923 Speaker 1: You still should be making hormones during 490 00:19:49,943 --> 00:19:50,464 Speaker 1: menopause. 491 00:19:50,804 --> 00:19:51,825 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just that they're. 492 00:19:52,045 --> 00:19:52,705 Speaker 1: They're lower. 493 00:19:52,826 --> 00:19:54,927 Speaker 1: There may be down by about half of what 494 00:19:54,947 --> 00:19:55,928 Speaker 1: they were potentially. 495 00:19:56,549 --> 00:19:57,569 Speaker 1: Um, maybe a little bit less. 496 00:19:57,830 --> 00:19:59,971 Speaker 1: Um, you know, maybe not quite half, but 497 00:20:00,011 --> 00:20:01,232 Speaker 1: some just depends on the person. 498 00:20:02,056 --> 00:20:05,309 Speaker 1: So menopause in and of itself is not where 499 00:20:05,369 --> 00:20:06,935 Speaker 1: you just stop making hormones. 500 00:20:07,035 --> 00:20:08,701 Speaker 1: If you stopped making hormones, it's not 501 00:20:08,721 --> 00:20:09,865 Speaker 1: menopause, it's something else. 502 00:20:11,017 --> 00:20:13,986 Speaker 1: So, yeah, I think that we still make 503 00:20:14,307 --> 00:20:16,233 Speaker 1: hormones because we make hormones in other 504 00:20:16,373 --> 00:20:17,758 Speaker 1: areas other than our ovaries. 505 00:20:17,838 --> 00:20:19,263 Speaker 1: But even our ovaries still make a little 506 00:20:19,283 --> 00:20:19,785 Speaker 1: bit of hormone. 507 00:20:20,076 --> 00:20:22,423 Speaker 1: So it's just decreased, that's all. 508 00:20:23,135 --> 00:20:24,579 Speaker 1: So I think that that is an important 509 00:20:24,619 --> 00:20:25,081 Speaker 1: takeaway. 510 00:20:25,101 --> 00:20:27,528 Speaker 1: Decrease, that's, that's all. 511 00:20:27,548 --> 00:20:28,450 Speaker 1: So I think that that is an important 512 00:20:28,470 --> 00:20:28,831 Speaker 1: takeaway. 513 00:20:28,911 --> 00:20:34,157 Speaker 1: And, you know, I believe in, in kind of an 514 00:20:34,197 --> 00:20:34,980 Speaker 1: elegant approach to, um, you know, hormone 515 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:35,863 Speaker 1: health, which is really looking at the 516 00:20:35,883 --> 00:20:37,327 Speaker 1: individual, looking at the causes as to why 517 00:20:37,367 --> 00:20:40,136 Speaker 1: hormones might not be in the optimal place 518 00:20:40,717 --> 00:20:41,458 Speaker 1: or out of balance. 519 00:20:41,979 --> 00:20:42,961 Speaker 1: Adjusting for that. 520 00:20:43,402 --> 00:20:46,127 Speaker 1: And then if you want to have hormone levels 521 00:20:46,467 --> 00:20:48,598 Speaker 1: of what you had in your, you know, twenties 522 00:20:48,658 --> 00:20:50,545 Speaker 1: or thirties, that's fine, but not 523 00:20:50,906 --> 00:20:53,415 Speaker 1: overdosing the way a lot of women are right 524 00:20:53,495 --> 00:20:53,635 Speaker 1: now. 525 00:20:53,936 --> 00:20:56,141 Speaker 1: If every woman is getting the same protocol, 526 00:20:57,044 --> 00:20:58,567 Speaker 1: you're going to be overdosed on something 527 00:20:58,627 --> 00:21:00,383 Speaker 1: and still not enough of another, and you 528 00:21:00,404 --> 00:21:01,710 Speaker 1: know you're still going to have the 529 00:21:01,771 --> 00:21:03,156 Speaker 1: symptoms, you're still going to have the 530 00:21:03,196 --> 00:21:03,556 Speaker 1: risks. 531 00:21:04,077 --> 00:21:05,740 Speaker 1: So that's, um I important. 532 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:10,727 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there's this move like first 533 00:21:10,747 --> 00:21:12,450 Speaker 2: of all back a few years ago, when they were 534 00:21:12,490 --> 00:21:15,201 Speaker 2: like oh, hrt, you know, hormone replacement 535 00:21:15,221 --> 00:21:17,326 Speaker 2: therapy causes cancer, and so everybody was 536 00:21:17,366 --> 00:21:19,477 Speaker 2: like, whoa, we're not doing that anymore. 537 00:21:19,917 --> 00:21:21,419 Speaker 2: And now they're like oh no, we're back, 538 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:26,166 Speaker 2: we're doing it and it's fine and it feels 539 00:21:26,246 --> 00:21:28,750 Speaker 2: paradigm shift and it feels very stabbing 540 00:21:28,790 --> 00:21:31,559 Speaker 2: in the dark and just knowing what I went 541 00:21:31,599 --> 00:21:35,988 Speaker 2: through and how I was given copious amounts 542 00:21:36,008 --> 00:21:38,139 Speaker 2: of estrogen, even though we're going to do 543 00:21:38,219 --> 00:21:39,904 Speaker 2: low doses and there's going to be a patch 544 00:21:39,945 --> 00:21:42,061 Speaker 2: and there's going to be this, and that it 545 00:21:42,121 --> 00:21:43,265 Speaker 2: wasn't the right thing for me. 546 00:21:43,695 --> 00:21:46,643 Speaker 2: And knowing what I know now, I don't know 547 00:21:46,703 --> 00:21:48,427 Speaker 2: how many women are also being told this. 548 00:21:48,895 --> 00:21:51,359 Speaker 2: So it was so important to me that I have 549 00:21:51,399 --> 00:21:54,624 Speaker 2: you on the show because I want the women 550 00:21:54,664 --> 00:21:57,348 Speaker 2: listening and the men who love them to 551 00:21:57,468 --> 00:21:58,950 Speaker 2: really understand there's a much bigger 552 00:21:59,010 --> 00:22:02,460 Speaker 2: story and we've done a huge disservice to 553 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:05,525 Speaker 2: the women in the world that we've really 554 00:22:05,645 --> 00:22:08,229 Speaker 2: minimized how important this is to their 555 00:22:08,289 --> 00:22:08,550 Speaker 2: health. 556 00:22:09,256 --> 00:22:11,701 Speaker 2: And when you make these changes to your 557 00:22:11,781 --> 00:22:15,087 Speaker 2: body with the right supplements and with 558 00:22:15,107 --> 00:22:18,678 Speaker 2: the right topicals, you prolong your life, 559 00:22:18,838 --> 00:22:23,666 Speaker 2: you slow down aging, you prevent cancer, 560 00:22:23,826 --> 00:22:26,997 Speaker 2: your body's functioning on a better level, 561 00:22:27,078 --> 00:22:29,257 Speaker 2: you can lose weight, you can sleep better, 562 00:22:29,337 --> 00:22:30,841 Speaker 2: your stress response is better. 563 00:22:31,142 --> 00:22:33,267 Speaker 2: There's such a domino effect of goodness 564 00:22:33,467 --> 00:22:34,517 Speaker 2: when you're doing it right. 565 00:22:34,798 --> 00:22:38,466 Speaker 2: And so what Iris didn't tell you is when we 566 00:22:38,526 --> 00:22:40,116 Speaker 2: do the saliva test, you do one in the 567 00:22:40,176 --> 00:22:42,141 Speaker 2: morning and then you do one at night so we 568 00:22:42,181 --> 00:22:44,446 Speaker 2: can measure the cortisol, but then we 569 00:22:44,486 --> 00:22:48,032 Speaker 2: repeat it three months later and and we're 570 00:22:48,073 --> 00:22:49,981 Speaker 2: checking, we're making sure that the 571 00:22:50,041 --> 00:22:52,149 Speaker 2: supplements that I'm taking are the right 572 00:22:52,390 --> 00:22:54,196 Speaker 2: ones and that I'm responding to them. 573 00:22:54,516 --> 00:22:56,881 Speaker 2: So we can change, we can modify if need be. 574 00:22:57,381 --> 00:23:01,889 Speaker 2: So talk a little bit about the programs 575 00:23:01,970 --> 00:23:05,082 Speaker 2: that you have and how people can work with 576 00:23:05,143 --> 00:23:05,283 Speaker 2: you. 577 00:23:06,626 --> 00:23:06,907 Speaker 1: Yeah. 578 00:23:06,987 --> 00:23:10,115 Speaker 1: So my signature approach is a six-month 579 00:23:10,195 --> 00:23:12,162 Speaker 1: long process, because I know that that's 580 00:23:12,182 --> 00:23:15,693 Speaker 1: what it takes to reverse the root cause of 581 00:23:15,734 --> 00:23:20,242 Speaker 1: your hormone production issue, and it does 582 00:23:20,582 --> 00:23:24,008 Speaker 1: entail three sets of these tests, because 583 00:23:24,028 --> 00:23:25,598 Speaker 1: we want to be precise, we want to be 584 00:23:25,619 --> 00:23:25,781 Speaker 1: targeted. 585 00:23:25,801 --> 00:23:27,096 Speaker 1: We want to be targeted, we want to be data 586 00:23:27,116 --> 00:23:29,986 Speaker 1: driven, and so we do the initial test. 587 00:23:30,006 --> 00:23:32,193 Speaker 1: You have a comprehensive, customized three 588 00:23:32,233 --> 00:23:35,621 Speaker 1: month plan and then we retest and reassess 589 00:23:35,661 --> 00:23:37,766 Speaker 1: symptoms at three months and we make 590 00:23:37,806 --> 00:23:40,937 Speaker 1: adjustments to that plan and then in six 591 00:23:40,977 --> 00:23:43,822 Speaker 1: months we do the same and also, through 592 00:23:44,102 --> 00:23:46,446 Speaker 1: along the way, we make micro changes as 593 00:23:46,506 --> 00:23:50,117 Speaker 1: needed to, because it's not just set it and 594 00:23:50,137 --> 00:23:52,103 Speaker 1: forget it right, it's not just one and done 595 00:23:52,163 --> 00:23:52,745 Speaker 1: kind of a thing. 596 00:23:52,785 --> 00:23:55,521 Speaker 1: You don't just test hormones, give one 597 00:23:55,561 --> 00:23:57,105 Speaker 1: prescription and then you're done. 598 00:23:58,227 --> 00:24:01,916 Speaker 1: No, because our hormone production changes 599 00:24:02,297 --> 00:24:04,261 Speaker 1: day to day, week to week, month to month, 600 00:24:04,682 --> 00:24:07,728 Speaker 1: based on stress, based on lifestyle things 601 00:24:07,768 --> 00:24:08,396 Speaker 1: and all these things. 602 00:24:08,436 --> 00:24:10,782 Speaker 1: So sometimes it can be a bit of a moving 603 00:24:10,842 --> 00:24:13,007 Speaker 1: target, and so we really do need to be 604 00:24:13,536 --> 00:24:16,445 Speaker 1: checking and making sure that we're not 605 00:24:16,505 --> 00:24:19,374 Speaker 1: just, you know, throwing something at the 606 00:24:19,394 --> 00:24:20,739 Speaker 1: wall and seeing what sticks right. 607 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:23,488 Speaker 1: It's targeted, it's precise, it's 608 00:24:23,709 --> 00:24:24,532 Speaker 1: individualized. 609 00:24:25,094 --> 00:24:26,741 Speaker 2: Well, we're going to put all of the ways to 610 00:24:26,795 --> 00:24:28,299 Speaker 2: connect with you in the show notes. 611 00:24:28,340 --> 00:24:29,944 Speaker 2: So not to worry, guys, I don't want you to 612 00:24:29,984 --> 00:24:31,417 Speaker 2: panic and think you don't know how to get 613 00:24:31,457 --> 00:24:32,139 Speaker 2: in touch with Iris. 614 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:33,082 Speaker 2: It's going to be there. 615 00:24:33,844 --> 00:24:35,457 Speaker 2: But let's just pause for a second because I 616 00:24:35,497 --> 00:24:37,827 Speaker 2: want to just say thank you to all the loyal 617 00:24:37,847 --> 00:24:39,935 Speaker 2: listeners who are always listening and 618 00:24:39,975 --> 00:24:40,997 Speaker 2: commenting on the show. 619 00:24:41,197 --> 00:24:43,099 Speaker 2: If you make a comment, I always read them, 620 00:24:43,179 --> 00:24:44,201 Speaker 2: I always respond. 621 00:24:44,281 --> 00:24:46,103 Speaker 2: So please let us know what you think of 622 00:24:46,143 --> 00:24:46,924 Speaker 2: these episodes. 623 00:24:47,305 --> 00:24:49,788 Speaker 2: And as a little reward, I wanted to help 624 00:24:49,828 --> 00:24:53,077 Speaker 2: you guys out, so I used to only share that. 625 00:24:53,117 --> 00:24:55,763 Speaker 2: I had a code for Cozy Earth, which was lead 626 00:24:55,803 --> 00:24:58,975 Speaker 2: with heart, but I also have a code now for 627 00:24:59,096 --> 00:25:01,360 Speaker 2: Eric Javits, which is these gorgeous sun 628 00:25:01,420 --> 00:25:04,006 Speaker 2: hats with UPF 50 protection. 629 00:25:04,567 --> 00:25:06,579 Speaker 2: Samantha on Sex and the City wore one big 630 00:25:06,619 --> 00:25:07,201 Speaker 2: floppy hats. 631 00:25:07,221 --> 00:25:08,737 Speaker 2: But there's winter hats, there's summer 632 00:25:08,777 --> 00:25:10,617 Speaker 2: hats, 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--> 00:25:29,824 Speaker 2: Those are so meaningful you have no idea. 646 00:25:30,235 --> 00:25:32,141 Speaker 2: It helps me grow the show and continue to 647 00:25:32,181 --> 00:25:33,606 Speaker 2: have great guests like Iris. 648 00:25:34,275 --> 00:25:37,025 Speaker 2: So, Iris, my friend, what inspires you? 649 00:25:37,515 --> 00:25:39,700 Speaker 1: You know, the thing that inspires me the 650 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:44,813 Speaker 1: most is when I when I hear stories from 651 00:25:45,354 --> 00:25:48,542 Speaker 1: clients and women I've worked with who have 652 00:25:50,126 --> 00:25:52,552 Speaker 1: told me you know how how much things have 653 00:25:52,592 --> 00:25:54,296 Speaker 1: changed for them, like I saved their 654 00:25:54,356 --> 00:26:00,574 Speaker 1: marriage, or saved their life, or, um, how 655 00:26:00,634 --> 00:26:03,919 Speaker 1: much better their life is because of 656 00:26:04,019 --> 00:26:04,299 Speaker 1: working. 657 00:26:04,339 --> 00:26:07,830 Speaker 1: It's very humbling, you know, um, and if it 658 00:26:07,870 --> 00:26:11,276 Speaker 1: weren't for that cause, what I do is, you 659 00:26:11,296 --> 00:26:13,808 Speaker 1: know, I run my own company and it's hard 660 00:26:13,868 --> 00:26:16,669 Speaker 1: work, and there's a lot that could get in 661 00:26:16,689 --> 00:26:19,358 Speaker 1: the way of me feeling like why am I doing 662 00:26:19,398 --> 00:26:19,618 Speaker 1: this? 663 00:26:20,782 --> 00:26:22,667 Speaker 1: Um, you know, I just wanted to help people. 664 00:26:22,767 --> 00:26:24,250 Speaker 1: You know, I wanted to make an impact and 665 00:26:24,270 --> 00:26:25,192 Speaker 1: change the world. 666 00:26:25,833 --> 00:26:31,070 Speaker 1: So, noticing those stories and taking them 667 00:26:31,250 --> 00:26:34,677 Speaker 1: in and feeling like I am making a 668 00:26:34,718 --> 00:26:38,292 Speaker 1: difference, I mean, that's the thing that 669 00:26:38,332 --> 00:26:39,255 Speaker 1: keeps me going. 670 00:26:39,986 --> 00:26:42,212 Speaker 2: I mean anytime a woman can tell you that 671 00:26:42,734 --> 00:26:45,168 Speaker 2: they feel better, that they're sleeping 672 00:26:45,228 --> 00:26:48,225 Speaker 2: better, that their brain fog is gone, that 673 00:26:48,246 --> 00:26:50,688 Speaker 2: their belly weight is gone, like those are 674 00:26:50,828 --> 00:26:53,095 Speaker 2: massive changes to a human being. 675 00:26:53,305 --> 00:26:57,615 Speaker 2: So I applaud you for being the conduit to 676 00:26:57,655 --> 00:26:58,658 Speaker 2: make all of that happen. 677 00:26:58,765 --> 00:27:00,392 Speaker 2: That's got to feel really, really good. 678 00:27:01,367 --> 00:27:02,732 Speaker 2: What would you like your legacy to be? 679 00:27:03,245 --> 00:27:04,027 Speaker 2: Well, you know. 680 00:27:04,327 --> 00:27:04,868 Speaker 1: I have. 681 00:27:05,930 --> 00:27:08,776 Speaker 1: I'm a mission driven business and I have a 682 00:27:08,856 --> 00:27:12,129 Speaker 1: vision for the world, which is that that 683 00:27:12,209 --> 00:27:14,595 Speaker 1: it's a more peaceful, sustainable you know 684 00:27:15,316 --> 00:27:17,328 Speaker 1: a great place and I, and I feel that the 685 00:27:17,388 --> 00:27:19,313 Speaker 1: way to do that is to have more women 686 00:27:19,594 --> 00:27:19,975 Speaker 1: leaders. 687 00:27:20,276 --> 00:27:20,917 Speaker 1: Oh, hell, yeah. 688 00:27:21,425 --> 00:27:25,333 Speaker 1: So my legacy is that I want to make that 689 00:27:25,474 --> 00:27:27,278 Speaker 1: impact and that I'm leveling the playing 690 00:27:27,318 --> 00:27:29,449 Speaker 1: field for women leaders and helping them, 691 00:27:29,529 --> 00:27:33,257 Speaker 1: because if stress is the number one kind of 692 00:27:33,297 --> 00:27:36,147 Speaker 1: killer of hormones and it causes us to feel 693 00:27:36,347 --> 00:27:38,528 Speaker 1: burnt out and that we can't be in those 694 00:27:38,568 --> 00:27:41,691 Speaker 1: high, demanding roles and leadership roles 695 00:27:41,931 --> 00:27:43,972 Speaker 1: and the demands of stress, because under 696 00:27:44,012 --> 00:27:45,293 Speaker 1: stress, under pressure, and not get burnt 697 00:27:45,313 --> 00:27:59,870 Speaker 1: out, Cause I know, you know there's, 698 00:27:59,950 --> 00:28:02,680 Speaker 1: there's a lot of, um, high level women in 699 00:28:03,061 --> 00:28:05,889 Speaker 1: C-suite executives, you know different, uh, 700 00:28:06,009 --> 00:28:08,575 Speaker 1: women leaders that are maybe considering a 701 00:28:08,636 --> 00:28:12,574 Speaker 1: career change or demoting themselves or 702 00:28:13,035 --> 00:28:15,041 Speaker 1: early retirement or whatever, because they 703 00:28:15,061 --> 00:28:20,211 Speaker 1: just can't take it anymore, Um, and so that 704 00:28:20,331 --> 00:28:22,535 Speaker 1: is something very specific that I help with, 705 00:28:22,876 --> 00:28:24,819 Speaker 1: and so I want to. 706 00:28:25,019 --> 00:28:27,188 Speaker 1: You know, that's that's kind of my, my 707 00:28:27,248 --> 00:28:29,413 Speaker 1: vision, and so I, I, I want to have that 708 00:28:29,473 --> 00:28:32,026 Speaker 1: impact so that each woman can have her 709 00:28:32,107 --> 00:28:32,569 Speaker 1: impact. 710 00:28:33,273 --> 00:28:33,736 Speaker 2: I love that. 711 00:28:33,776 --> 00:28:35,164 Speaker 2: Well, you know, this is a leadership 712 00:28:35,204 --> 00:28:37,233 Speaker 2: podcast, so that is a great answer. 713 00:28:38,546 --> 00:28:39,851 Speaker 2: So what is next for you? 714 00:28:43,186 --> 00:28:46,812 Speaker 1: Well, I am just going, I'm going to be kind 715 00:28:46,872 --> 00:28:51,956 Speaker 1: of, you know, goal planning for 2026 here 716 00:28:52,537 --> 00:28:55,510 Speaker 1: this month, so I'm not quite sure you know 717 00:28:55,691 --> 00:28:58,257 Speaker 1: what is on the agenda for next year. 718 00:28:59,266 --> 00:29:04,814 Speaker 1: Um, but I'm always, you know, refining and 719 00:29:04,874 --> 00:29:05,735 Speaker 1: improving. 720 00:29:07,138 --> 00:29:09,927 Speaker 1: You know the experience that that that 721 00:29:09,987 --> 00:29:14,357 Speaker 1: women have working with me, is it personal 722 00:29:14,397 --> 00:29:15,058 Speaker 1: or professional. 723 00:29:16,085 --> 00:29:19,134 Speaker 2: It's however you want to answer it. 724 00:29:19,676 --> 00:29:22,209 Speaker 1: You know, I think that I really want to 725 00:29:22,269 --> 00:29:26,899 Speaker 1: continue to evolve as a human and it's hard 726 00:29:26,939 --> 00:29:32,477 Speaker 1: for me to separate me being a naturopathic 727 00:29:32,497 --> 00:29:34,983 Speaker 1: physician and me being a hormone boss and 728 00:29:35,063 --> 00:29:37,048 Speaker 1: being a you know you don't have to. 729 00:29:37,128 --> 00:29:38,893 Speaker 2: yeah, it's like that's everything for me. 730 00:29:38,933 --> 00:29:40,906 Speaker 1: That's who I am and and I. 731 00:29:41,226 --> 00:29:47,512 Speaker 1: But I want to evolve kind of my how I show 732 00:29:47,632 --> 00:29:53,378 Speaker 1: up in the world and just kind of be more 733 00:29:53,398 --> 00:29:58,483 Speaker 1: and more myself and more confident and know 734 00:29:58,603 --> 00:30:02,109 Speaker 1: that I deserve to exist and I deserve to be 735 00:30:02,470 --> 00:30:02,972 Speaker 1: seen. 736 00:30:03,273 --> 00:30:05,701 Speaker 2: You deserve to be in every room, and that 737 00:30:05,741 --> 00:30:07,606 Speaker 2: was why it was so important for me to have 738 00:30:07,626 --> 00:30:08,187 Speaker 2: you on the show. 739 00:30:08,227 --> 00:30:09,930 Speaker 2: That's why I wanted to do the live. 740 00:30:10,651 --> 00:30:12,635 Speaker 2: I, like you, want to have a really big 741 00:30:12,715 --> 00:30:17,203 Speaker 2: impact, and what you are helping women with 742 00:30:17,383 --> 00:30:20,429 Speaker 2: is so major and the ripple effect of that 743 00:30:20,510 --> 00:30:21,071 Speaker 2: is huge. 744 00:30:21,151 --> 00:30:24,518 Speaker 2: So if we can use this platform to get the 745 00:30:24,558 --> 00:30:26,488 Speaker 2: word out, I am thrilled to do it. 746 00:30:26,648 --> 00:30:29,655 Speaker 2: So, uh, I'm happy to make you shine. 747 00:30:30,276 --> 00:30:31,559 Speaker 2: Um, how can people find you? 748 00:30:32,005 --> 00:30:35,413 Speaker 1: Um, they can find me at the hormone bosscom. 749 00:30:35,473 --> 00:30:39,389 Speaker 1: It's hormone-bosscom is my website, and 750 00:30:39,429 --> 00:30:43,637 Speaker 1: they can get directly um to even a free 751 00:30:43,677 --> 00:30:45,099 Speaker 1: consultation and things like that. 752 00:30:45,185 --> 00:30:47,430 Speaker 1: So there's lots of things to look at there. 753 00:30:47,531 --> 00:30:48,934 Speaker 1: That's probably the best way. 754 00:30:49,074 --> 00:30:49,575 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. 755 00:30:49,756 --> 00:30:52,670 Speaker 2: And if you want to talk about the way Iris 756 00:30:52,731 --> 00:30:54,014 Speaker 2: works, reach out to me. 757 00:30:54,214 --> 00:30:57,148 Speaker 2: I'm happy to tell you, and I have a number 758 00:30:57,168 --> 00:30:58,873 Speaker 2: of friends that have worked with her and 759 00:30:58,893 --> 00:31:00,678 Speaker 2: they've all had amazing experiences. 760 00:31:00,825 --> 00:31:03,952 Speaker 2: So I'm very grateful to you for all you do 761 00:31:04,012 --> 00:31:05,997 Speaker 2: for me and for all you do for all the other 762 00:31:06,017 --> 00:31:06,718 Speaker 2: women in the world. 763 00:31:07,866 --> 00:31:09,869 Speaker 2: So thank you, and thank you for being a 764 00:31:09,930 --> 00:31:10,693 Speaker 2: wonderful guest. 765 00:31:12,449 --> 00:31:13,052 Speaker 2: It's been a joy. 766 00:31:13,445 --> 00:31:15,151 Speaker 2: Guys, I hope you liked what you heard today. 767 00:31:15,572 --> 00:31:17,448 Speaker 2: Please, again, subscribe to the YouTube 768 00:31:17,488 --> 00:31:19,473 Speaker 2: channel, 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