WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.600 --> 00:00:08.460 Welcome to Comfort Zone, a podcast all about pushing your hosts, well, outside of their comfort zone. 2 00:00:08.819 --> 00:00:14.960 I'm Christopher Lawley, and each week I am joined by two incredible co-hosts. As always, we are joined by Matt Birchler. 3 00:00:15.100 --> 00:00:16.500 Matt, how are you? Chris, I'm doing great. 4 00:00:17.600 --> 00:00:20.659 You're lucky I don't have a topic this week because I'm in the process of installing the 5 00:00:20.739 --> 00:00:26.760 Android 17 Beta 3, and I can't talk about it today. I don't have a topic. Nope, I can't. 6 00:00:27.000 --> 00:00:33.540 Thank God you can't talk about that. Niléane, how excited are you that he can't talk about that today? I'm excited. 7 00:00:34.130 --> 00:00:40.759 He just showed us to the camera the squiggly line, progress bar. That's exciting. On Android. 8 00:00:41.080 --> 00:00:46.799 What if your UI was fun and not transparent? Yeah. No thanks. I'm good. I'm good. 9 00:00:47.119 --> 00:00:51.580 I like transparent UI where I can barely see it. But anyways, that is not our topics today. 10 00:00:52.080 --> 00:00:56.659 We have a tiny topic, and I think one of these was a feedback thing that was put in here. I don't know. 11 00:00:56.759 --> 00:01:02.380 It's probably directed at Niléane considering the subject. No, no, I put it in there. 12 00:01:04.459 --> 00:01:15.879 Welcome back to the Browser Podcast. Pew, pew, pew. Pew, pew, pew. There you go. We don't have time for the whole thing. 13 00:01:15.959 --> 00:01:24.360 Okay, sure. We don't. Yes, Vivaldi announced something big, boys. It's big. Big news. They have announced that... 14 00:01:24.360 --> 00:01:30.260 Is it his biggest big business boy, Birchler? No, as in big news for the browser industry, 15 00:01:33.239 --> 00:01:41.620 their iOS version of Vivaldi now has double-decker tabs as well, just like the desktop version. Yes. 16 00:01:41.940 --> 00:01:51.379 So now you can stack tabs on iOS just as well, and they stack on a two-level UI kind of tab bar. Why? It's amazing. 17 00:01:52.099 --> 00:01:58.900 I just thought you should know, and the world should know about this. I have so many questions, but we don't have time. 18 00:01:59.059 --> 00:02:05.940 I have so many questions, but we don't have time. This week on Cozy Zone, Matt's put together a little game for us 19 00:02:06.540 --> 00:02:11.419 where we had to figure out the YouTube channel based on a single thumbnail. 20 00:02:11.860 --> 00:02:14.259 And I got some good YouTube channel recommendations. 21 00:02:14.699 --> 00:02:20.179 I am now following quite a few people that I wasn't following before. So, yeah, go check it out. 22 00:02:20.520 --> 00:02:25.600 Cozy Zone is our members-only show where you get a whole extra episode of us every single week. 23 00:02:25.800 --> 00:02:30.759 I think I'm going to listen to this one because I don't even forget recording this. I don't even remember. 24 00:02:31.539 --> 00:02:37.139 And there is a video version of this one too. So if you do listen to it, some of them we have video versions for. 25 00:02:37.199 --> 00:02:41.960 So you get the episode and your podcast player, go to the show notes, and there's a link in there to the video version. 26 00:02:42.259 --> 00:02:48.699 So this one benefits from the video version. I would say definitely go watch the video version. Yeah, I will. 27 00:02:49.000 --> 00:02:53.320 As the person who edits the audio or creates the audio file, I will say I will have chapters. 28 00:02:53.639 --> 00:02:58.740 There are 48 chapters and they all have images. I have created a nightmare for myself, but it's fun. 29 00:02:59.580 --> 00:03:04.759 You don't need to worry about that. It's already done when you're listening to this. I'm already through the pain. Oof. 30 00:03:05.220 --> 00:03:12.440 Wow. Okay. Well. Indication. Yeah. All right. Let's get into the main show because we are tight on time this week. 31 00:03:12.660 --> 00:03:18.440 So, Neelion, you're first up in the dock. What do you got for us? I'm assuming it's another web browser or headphones. 32 00:03:19.259 --> 00:03:28.699 Since we have time, I can talk very slowly. No. Get into it in a smooth manner. 33 00:03:30.279 --> 00:03:34.660 Smart speed is making you sound like a regular person right now. All right. 34 00:03:35.380 --> 00:03:45.600 A few episodes ago, I mentioned that I uninstalled Raycast. And I wasn't being truthful at the time. 35 00:03:47.660 --> 00:03:54.580 I did not uninstall it out of... Because when you remember on that episode, I listened back to it yesterday. 36 00:03:55.479 --> 00:04:02.820 You asked me why, or one of you asked me why, and I answered because it's too cringe. And I stand by that. 37 00:04:03.679 --> 00:04:14.279 But there was one more reason. And that additional reason is that I have a new launcher that I made myself. Yes. 38 00:04:15.520 --> 00:04:23.799 I made it myself. I'm just kidding. I've known this. I've been using it. Yes. I'm releasing my first ever Mac app. 39 00:04:23.959 --> 00:04:26.420 As we're recording this, maybe it's already out. It should be. 40 00:04:29.359 --> 00:04:38.660 Officially out, I will have made an announcement on the Don's, on the Mastodon. And so I have things to say. 41 00:04:38.839 --> 00:04:44.359 Like, I've been trying to do this for the past few weeks. 42 00:04:46.480 --> 00:04:51.739 And every time I talk to you about this in our group chat, I say it's been three weeks. It's been four weeks. 43 00:04:52.279 --> 00:04:58.640 And actually, because time passes when you're into something and you just keep iterating on something. 44 00:04:59.179 --> 00:05:07.040 And actually, I checked my first commit dates from late January. So it's been actually over two months. 45 00:05:09.299 --> 00:05:17.279 It's actually been over two months, but it feels like I got started two weeks ago. So it's a launcher for the Mac, 46 00:05:18.119 --> 00:05:26.920 and it's called Tiny Start. And this is a cute name that I think is cute because I wanted the app to look cute. 47 00:05:27.179 --> 00:05:29.920 It's meant to be cute on screen. It's small. 48 00:05:30.679 --> 00:05:38.679 You can make it bigger because already my early testers have told me you should allow people to make this bigger. 49 00:05:39.640 --> 00:05:46.019 Because some people are old and have terrible eyesight. So I hear that. And you have an option to make it bigger. 50 00:05:48.380 --> 00:05:53.119 So, yeah, you guys have tried it, right? a little bit. Yeah. What do you think? 51 00:05:54.700 --> 00:06:00.600 So I've been using it on the MacBook Neo, and I've been waiting for you to release this 52 00:06:00.690 --> 00:06:05.399 so I can start working on my MacBook Neo setup video because I want to include this in it 53 00:06:05.600 --> 00:06:10.260 because it's like the perfect launcher for this computer because it's lightweight. 54 00:06:10.640 --> 00:06:17.220 It doesn't use up a ton of background processes or RAM or anything like that, and it's super, super quick. 55 00:06:17.459 --> 00:06:22.380 I'm sure you'll get into the specifics of everything it does, But it's not just for launching apps. 56 00:06:22.519 --> 00:06:29.140 Like you do a few other things with it. And everything it does, it is very, very quick and snappy, like Safari. 57 00:06:29.559 --> 00:06:34.739 Yeah, I'm glad to hear that. That's the main goal, really. It's meant to be snappy. 58 00:06:35.739 --> 00:06:43.179 You type, results appear immediately. Because when I let go of Raycast and went back to Spotlight, I suffered. 59 00:06:43.739 --> 00:06:51.119 I suffered gravely from Spotlight's two main things with Spotlight. that I really suffered from. 60 00:06:52.420 --> 00:07:01.260 It's slow as heck to show results. And when it shows results, there's so many things in there. Yeah. 61 00:07:02.100 --> 00:07:07.440 Unless you go in system settings and disable everything, but then, did you know, 62 00:07:07.579 --> 00:07:13.980 if you disable some stuff in the spotlight settings on macOS, it will actually affect indexing in other apps as well, 63 00:07:14.079 --> 00:07:24.140 such as mail, and it does weird things. Oh. So the goal with Tiny Start is it lets you launch apps. 64 00:07:24.859 --> 00:07:29.380 It lets you open links that you have saved beforehand. 65 00:07:29.600 --> 00:07:36.059 So you can save a bunch of your favorite links and open them with Tiny Start. You can do that with folders as well. 66 00:07:36.140 --> 00:07:41.059 If you need to, there are some folders that you often want to open in Finder quickly. 67 00:07:41.619 --> 00:07:45.839 You can add them in Tiny Start and now you can just type the name and open them very quickly. 68 00:07:46.739 --> 00:07:57.119 And I think the major part of this is that there's an emoji peeker. And it's actually the Genesis story of this app. 69 00:07:58.480 --> 00:08:05.200 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because, you know... In the beginning, Neelion created a Mac launcher. Well, an emoji peeker. 70 00:08:06.279 --> 00:08:10.540 An emoji peeker. I'm saying this is the first Mac app that I'm releasing, 71 00:08:10.700 --> 00:08:20.160 but it's not actually the first that I've made. I've experimented with making apps for, like, actually, it's been years. 72 00:08:21.459 --> 00:08:28.019 Sometimes I get obsessed with something I try, and then it sucks, and I never talk about it and never show it to anyone. 73 00:08:29.859 --> 00:08:39.900 But one of those included the fact that I found, actually, I found on GitHub an abandoned emoji picker written in Swift and SwiftUI. 74 00:08:41.219 --> 00:08:50.119 And I just thought, hey, that's too bad that's sitting on there last on GitHub. So I forked it. I iterated on it. 75 00:08:50.200 --> 00:08:53.239 And that made me get familiar with Swift and SwiftUI. 76 00:08:54.780 --> 00:09:05.799 And at some point, and that was in January, I was like, okay, maybe I feel comfortable enough to do my own thing. 77 00:09:06.179 --> 00:09:13.919 like a tiny launcher that just does the basics because I don't have years of experience doing this. 78 00:09:14.380 --> 00:09:19.320 So just the basics, basic launcher that works well, that is fast. And this is what I've done. 79 00:09:19.380 --> 00:09:30.880 And now I can show it to people. So, yeah, it's an emoji picker. And you can save links, save folders, launch apps. 80 00:09:31.599 --> 00:09:34.580 And there's a bunch of tiny things that you would expect from a launcher as well. 81 00:09:34.640 --> 00:09:43.599 You can do 2 plus 2, and it shows you equals 4. That's good as well. That's covered. Does it do unit conversion? 82 00:09:44.159 --> 00:09:54.679 Yes, it does. For now, I have added length, math, and what's the third one? There's a third one. I forgot. Temperature. 83 00:09:55.150 --> 00:10:02.059 Oh, temperature. Yeah, currency is one I need to add. And there's also another one I need to add. Volumes I need to add. 84 00:10:04.140 --> 00:10:13.460 It should go up to an 11. That's a reference for old people. Okay. Matt gets what I was going for. Thank you. 85 00:10:14.159 --> 00:10:20.000 It's a reference for old people. I have no idea what that is. I don't know what the aura scale of that is. 86 00:10:21.659 --> 00:10:29.739 The aura scale. Is that what that means? You don't know the raise level on this? I don't know what that means either. 87 00:10:31.539 --> 00:10:33.739 And that's it. That's the bit of news. 88 00:10:33.960 --> 00:10:40.099 I'm releasing my first ever Mac app and let me know if you have questions, but I hope people will like it. 89 00:10:41.460 --> 00:10:47.239 This is my first time actually like going further than just experiment, experimenting doing an app. 90 00:10:48.179 --> 00:11:00.820 So this is my first experience dealing with getting authorized by Apple with a proper developer ID certificate and all of that. 91 00:11:01.200 --> 00:11:06.520 and figure out how do I distribute this? Do I go with the App Store? Do I distribute it myself? 92 00:11:07.559 --> 00:11:16.400 Turns out if you go with the App Store route, so you need your app to be sandboxed, that's well known, 93 00:11:16.719 --> 00:11:23.359 but you don't realize until you get into it what that entails in terms of technical limitations. 94 00:11:24.119 --> 00:11:30.280 And in my case, Tiny Start, it allows you to launch apps, but it also allows you to quit apps. 95 00:11:30.640 --> 00:11:36.619 That's one tiny feature that I really like about my launcher. So if you search for an app and you select it, 96 00:11:36.820 --> 00:11:43.200 you can press Command Q directly from Tiny Star and it quits the app. That's so useful. 97 00:11:44.760 --> 00:11:48.979 And Tiny Star displays a tiny, like a small dot next to the running, 98 00:11:49.380 --> 00:11:53.820 the apps that are currently open on your Mac, just like the dock. I took inspiration from the dock. 99 00:11:54.700 --> 00:12:04.679 So you know if you are able to quit an app or not. And this feature is so hard to make it work with a sandboxed app. 100 00:12:05.260 --> 00:12:09.039 There are ways, but I struggled with it and I gave up. 101 00:12:09.530 --> 00:12:17.760 I was like, this is not worth rewriting this entire part of the app just so I can ship it in the App Store 102 00:12:17.909 --> 00:12:24.900 and so Apple can take a bigger percentage from the price that I'm going to set it for. 103 00:12:26.200 --> 00:12:28.880 Yeah, this is definitely a thing for me. 104 00:12:30.100 --> 00:12:34.419 the sandbox is usually fine for the sorts of apps that i've built but whenever i make like a personal 105 00:12:34.419 --> 00:12:40.179 app that i'm never going to release externally i immediately go into xcode and just trash uh 106 00:12:40.640 --> 00:12:49.500 app sandbox go away everything just works if you take that off it just works remember wasn't apple 107 00:12:49.640 --> 00:12:54.659 trying to do the whole thing where they lessen the sandbox requirements for mac apps like didn't 108 00:12:54.679 --> 00:13:00.760 like panic get to release some stuff or maybe it was like bb edit got to like be in the mac app store 109 00:13:00.900 --> 00:13:04.960 because they lessened their sandbox control and it seemed like they were going to give up and then 110 00:13:05.080 --> 00:13:09.820 turns out they never did yeah i mean they they didn't get rid of the sandbox control but you you 111 00:13:09.929 --> 00:13:13.760 can do things you just have to request the permissions and you have to use them the right 112 00:13:13.919 --> 00:13:20.339 way and it's basically i mean honestly i don't think it's a bad thing necessarily um i don't 113 00:13:20.400 --> 00:13:24.940 think people need to buy their things from the app store anyway um i love apps outside the app store 114 00:13:25.080 --> 00:13:30.299 but um yeah i don't know it's okay but it is just if you're building it for yourself 115 00:13:30.880 --> 00:13:35.239 it's just get rid of the headaches yeah and with a launcher like yours you're interacting with the 116 00:13:35.369 --> 00:13:43.859 system in like ways so yeah but i was surprised building this app to see that it's not like it's 117 00:13:43.960 --> 00:13:50.320 not invasive to do a launcher like it's not that invasive on the system to do a launcher because 118 00:13:50.340 --> 00:13:54.299 especially if you're doing something lightweight like this, that's focused on... 119 00:13:54.710 --> 00:14:00.700 This is the tagline of the app, focused on the essentials. That's just focused on launching apps, opening links. 120 00:14:01.339 --> 00:14:07.159 It's okay. It's just indexing folders, some specific folders for your apps. 121 00:14:08.440 --> 00:14:13.659 There's only one system permission needed by the app, and that's the accessibility permission. 122 00:14:14.419 --> 00:14:24.239 This is for the emoji picker. So my emoji picker, so this is different from the one I found on GitHub a while ago. 123 00:14:24.640 --> 00:14:33.239 So this is an emoji picker that's built into Tiny Start. The emoji picker is my favorite thing about Raycast. 124 00:14:33.460 --> 00:14:36.000 So I really wanted my own launcher to have one as well. 125 00:14:36.700 --> 00:14:45.979 And just like Raycast, I wanted it to be fast, easy to search for emojis with a bunch of different aliases. 126 00:14:46.280 --> 00:14:51.140 So it's not as strict as Apple's default emoji picker with keywords. 127 00:14:52.780 --> 00:15:02.359 For this one, I made sure that the sources that I fetched to build the emoji database, there are multiple ones. 128 00:15:02.359 --> 00:15:09.419 Like I'm fetching from sources in English as well as a bunch of languages out of the box. 129 00:15:10.340 --> 00:15:16.919 So even though the app is not localized, but the Emoji Picker, you can search for emojis in your language. 130 00:15:17.150 --> 00:15:21.880 It fits among those that I included. I included about eight or nine. 131 00:15:23.799 --> 00:15:29.840 So I can search for emojis in French, which is really nice. But yeah, you need the accessibility permission 132 00:15:30.140 --> 00:15:38.900 because you can simply press enter when you're in a text field to insert the emoji. And that's really nice. 133 00:15:39.559 --> 00:15:48.119 I love the emoji picker. It's really good. Ah, thanks. Yes, I really like it as well. Yeah, it's fast, too. 134 00:15:48.270 --> 00:15:55.820 Like, you can just, you hit, so, like, I have it set up, just like how I had Raycast set up, so I can hit hyperkey. 135 00:15:56.619 --> 00:16:02.820 Wait, no, no, I'm sorry. No, I take that back. I'm sorry. It's just the command control space. Command control space. 136 00:16:03.159 --> 00:16:07.260 Hit that. And I had to think about that, too, for a second. 137 00:16:07.780 --> 00:16:14.099 Command Control Space, and then I just start typing whatever emoji I want, and it's instant. It's so quick. Yeah. 138 00:16:14.409 --> 00:16:17.520 And I learned some quirk about this. 139 00:16:17.809 --> 00:16:22.419 So when you install TinyStar, the default, there are two default hotkeys that are set for you. 140 00:16:23.179 --> 00:16:26.239 Option Space is the one to just invoke the launcher. 141 00:16:26.789 --> 00:16:34.159 And Control Command Space, like you said, is the one for the emoji picker. And the funny thing is Control Command Space. 142 00:16:34.900 --> 00:16:44.520 So that's Apple's default keyboard shortcut to invoke their emoji picker. And if you write an app and assign a keyboard, 143 00:16:44.789 --> 00:16:55.299 like observe that keyboard shortcut to invoke your own emoji picker, it just overrides Apple's one. Which is nice. 144 00:16:56.359 --> 00:17:01.200 Yeah, which means you can just install it. And if you're used to the default emoji picker shortcut, 145 00:17:01.289 --> 00:17:08.099 you don't have to do anything. It works right away. And that's not the case with Command Space for Spotlight. Yeah. 146 00:17:08.880 --> 00:17:14.880 So that's why Command Space is not my default keyboard shortcut because it will not override it. 147 00:17:14.900 --> 00:17:21.760 If you do Command Space in Tiny Start and you didn't disable Command Space for Spotlight, 148 00:17:22.020 --> 00:17:26.420 both will appear on screen at the same time. You can still use Command Space, 149 00:17:26.560 --> 00:17:32.859 but you will have to disable Command Space for Spotlight in your settings first. That's what I'm doing. 150 00:17:33.060 --> 00:17:38.619 I've disabled regular Spotlight keyboard shortcut, and I'm using Tiny Start as Command Space. 151 00:17:39.180 --> 00:17:44.260 So you are the Spotlight on the MacBook Neo. I'm the Spotlight. 152 00:17:44.979 --> 00:17:51.099 I was going to ask for, I guess, Chris, I have your answer. I use Option Space. 153 00:17:51.420 --> 00:17:59.500 I've used it for Tiny Start, Raycast, Alfred, Quicksilver. Whoa. For 20 years, I've used it, 154 00:17:59.640 --> 00:18:02.459 but I have never unassigned Spotlight from Command Space. 155 00:18:03.260 --> 00:18:09.479 so it's still always there yeah i never use it but it's always there i've done that since using 156 00:18:09.839 --> 00:18:18.359 launch bar alfred like all of those like but do you replace spotlight what's i've never i i don't 157 00:18:18.359 --> 00:18:24.260 think i've ever really used spotlight because when i got into the mac there was launch bar and alfred 158 00:18:24.739 --> 00:18:31.819 which were both faster and had extensions and more things you can do with them and then raycast became a thing. 159 00:18:32.739 --> 00:18:40.880 And then, yeah, the Raycast became a thing. And then now I have Tiny Start on the MacBook Neo. Oh my God. Okay. 160 00:18:41.439 --> 00:18:46.439 So I've never been a big Spotlight person. Like, I take that back. The first Mac I ever used, 161 00:18:46.579 --> 00:18:51.579 which was not my personal Mac, it was assigned to me in my film school program, that I used Spotlight on 162 00:18:51.680 --> 00:18:58.359 because I couldn't install third-party utilities. Oh, yeah. So I did use Spotlight for that. And I did use Spotlight 163 00:18:58.560 --> 00:19:08.560 over the Tahoe beta just to see how it was. and it's not... Neilion, first, I would like to congratulate you in being 164 00:19:08.979 --> 00:19:13.839 in my circle of developers that will now get text messages when I want feature requests. 165 00:19:15.140 --> 00:19:18.839 But instead of sending you a text message for this first feature request, I will just 166 00:19:19.079 --> 00:19:22.780 ask right here on the air because I know you're going to get it. I know people are going to 167 00:19:22.900 --> 00:19:28.219 ask you for it, so I figure I will just give you a chance to say it. I gotta go, sorry. Oh, okay, alright. 168 00:19:30.420 --> 00:19:37.800 Flipboard history. Is it possible? Will we see it in Tiny Start? Do you want to give people an answer? So, yes. I have. 169 00:19:38.239 --> 00:19:44.260 So, I put up a website for like a land. How do you call this? A landing page. A landing page. Yeah. 170 00:19:44.459 --> 00:19:51.819 Tinystart.app, if you want. By the way, if you want to buy the app. Okay. It's definitely out. Yeah. I mean, yes. 171 00:19:52.439 --> 00:19:57.079 By the time this episode is out, I think, yeah, I will call it released. 172 00:19:58.560 --> 00:20:02.520 But even right now, as we're recording, the shop is already up and you can already buy it. 173 00:20:03.180 --> 00:20:10.939 So on tinystart.app, I have a frequently asked questions section. And I have addressed your request, Chris. Oh, okay. 174 00:20:11.180 --> 00:20:13.099 I'm actually looking at it right now. 175 00:20:13.439 --> 00:20:20.300 And it says, for now, Tiny Start is focused on apps, links, and emojis, and does not include clipboard management features. 176 00:20:20.780 --> 00:20:25.140 In my opinion, clipboard management is often better handled by a dedicated app. 177 00:20:25.400 --> 00:20:32.000 My favorite ones over the years have been Pastebot. And how do you pronounce that? Maccy? Maccy. Yeah. Maccy. Okay. 178 00:20:33.280 --> 00:20:40.040 I did a dramatic reading there. I hope I did you justice. Yes. Yeah, this is my answer for now. 179 00:20:40.260 --> 00:20:46.000 I think a lot of people are going to ask this is why I included this. This is why I said this on the air. Yeah, I know. 180 00:20:46.520 --> 00:20:53.719 You're doing well. The money's in the mail, right? Yeah. I mean, you got the app for free. You're paid like this. 181 00:20:54.959 --> 00:21:01.119 I'm still going to buy the app. In fact, I'm going to do it right now. Oh, okay. Nice. Thank you. I appreciate you. 182 00:21:01.739 --> 00:21:09.540 No problem. Yeah. I think this would be out of scope for what Tiny Start is meant to be. 183 00:21:09.640 --> 00:21:18.760 It's meant to be like a launcher that feels fast and that's focused on what's essential. And yes, emojis are essential. 184 00:21:19.719 --> 00:21:27.599 But I think going down that route where we add entire app categories to the launcher, 185 00:21:29.520 --> 00:21:37.520 this may get overwhelming very quickly, at least for me. Maybe not for the users, but at least for me. 186 00:21:38.099 --> 00:21:44.000 This is my first Mac app that I tend to maintain and make sure it works well for people who buy it and run it. 187 00:21:45.839 --> 00:21:53.099 For now, that's why it says for now in the FAQ. I'm not going to add one because if I do add one right now, 188 00:21:53.170 --> 00:21:58.500 it will not have as many features as you would expect from a clipboard manager. 189 00:21:59.180 --> 00:22:09.119 It would be very basic, and I'm not sure that would fit well. I think that's fair as well. 190 00:22:09.739 --> 00:22:11.599 We will talk about this later in the episode. 191 00:22:13.979 --> 00:22:21.380 We talked about this, I think, briefly when you started discussing it, that this is kind of like recently at 1Password increased their price. 192 00:22:21.829 --> 00:22:25.300 And they were like, look at all the value we added. Look at all these features we added. 193 00:22:25.489 --> 00:22:30.819 And you were like, I use none of those. Those bring me zero value. What I want is a simple password manager. 194 00:22:31.979 --> 00:22:40.359 And I think Raycast is a power user app that can just launch things for you, but it also 195 00:22:40.479 --> 00:22:46.219 has a clipboard manager, has emojis, has extensions, has like a full third-party store. Like it's crazy. 196 00:22:46.380 --> 00:22:49.819 It's an everything app. It is free. So that's, I guess, a little different. 197 00:22:49.979 --> 00:22:55.839 But like, but Tiny Start is just like, I will be your app launcher. I'll be your emoji picker. That's a nice bonus. 198 00:22:56.270 --> 00:22:59.739 But like, I will let you launch things quickly. If that's all you use these things for, 199 00:22:59.780 --> 00:23:07.359 this is a lighter weight, cuter version of Raycast. Yeah. You have a very different aesthetic from Raycast as well. 200 00:23:07.680 --> 00:23:14.780 The website is very delightful. I was like, oh, this is nice. Then I scroll down and the window escapes the normal body. 201 00:23:14.880 --> 00:23:22.760 And I'm like, oh, she did it. That's cool. That's nice. I still have some CSS in me. Yeah. Yeah. 202 00:23:23.479 --> 00:23:34.119 Assuming that's not a mistake, but it's angled. No, it's not. Yes. But no, it's super cool. 203 00:23:34.959 --> 00:23:40.040 And I just wanted to say, as someone who has been on this Mac development journey for a little over a year as well, 204 00:23:40.390 --> 00:23:45.599 it has been very cool to see you go through a lot of the same feelings and, like, the excitement that I recognized. 205 00:23:46.050 --> 00:23:51.359 From, like, once it starts to work, it's intoxicating. It's super, super cool. So, yeah. 206 00:23:51.699 --> 00:23:59.880 Huge congrats for getting this done and making something so cool for your not first Mac app, but first big public one. 207 00:24:00.760 --> 00:24:07.900 Yeah, thank you. And yes, if you want to know, I'm pricing this at five euros. 208 00:24:08.880 --> 00:24:15.719 So sorry, US people, it's in euros, but your payment method will still work. 209 00:24:17.339 --> 00:24:19.619 Your payment method is compatible with euros. 210 00:24:21.579 --> 00:24:34.979 So, yeah, it's five euros and it's one time purchase, like, obviously, because I think if I stop maintaining this in one year or before then, it will still be working. 211 00:24:36.459 --> 00:24:45.060 This is something that you can get once and does not require necessarily that I keep going, keep working on it constantly. 212 00:24:45.819 --> 00:24:52.420 However, as a bonus, you get three updates. And that means I will keep updating this in the future, 213 00:24:53.119 --> 00:25:00.020 including in the near future and probably later as well. And those updates you will get for free. Nice. Yeah. 214 00:25:00.189 --> 00:25:06.319 And no free trial. But if you're not satisfied. Five bucks. Like, five bucks is about. 215 00:25:06.579 --> 00:25:09.760 It's like, it's not going to have just this five bucks. 216 00:25:09.849 --> 00:25:16.619 It would also have meant that I needed to make a specific free trial version of the app. And it's annoying. And, yeah. 217 00:25:17.439 --> 00:25:23.900 Yeah. You were running into why my Mac apps are on the Mac App Store because I was like, oh, now I need to do licenses 218 00:25:24.310 --> 00:25:29.479 and I need to do all this. This is complexity. And don't need to get into it. 219 00:25:29.819 --> 00:25:34.359 But this is one of the reasons why I actually have more respect for the App Store now than I did like two years ago. 220 00:25:34.900 --> 00:25:37.680 There is some value. It definitely brings. It handles a lot of things. 221 00:25:37.839 --> 00:25:46.499 Like I had to set up an update, app updates delivery. Fortunately, there's a very popular framework 222 00:25:46.520 --> 00:25:52.900 a lot of Mac developers use. That's called Sparkle. And I set that up. That was fairly easy, 223 00:25:53.170 --> 00:26:00.439 although I had to wrap my head around it for the first few hours because I did not get how this was supposed to work 224 00:26:00.660 --> 00:26:09.160 because this is a pretty secure thing. So it needs you to set up keys so that your updates are always verified 225 00:26:09.739 --> 00:26:15.640 and there's no man-in-the-middle attacks when your app fetches updates. So it's very well made. 226 00:26:17.260 --> 00:26:23.380 But yeah, I had to set this up. So that was a whole rabbit hole just to get updates to work. 227 00:26:23.729 --> 00:26:33.359 So I can see the value in just getting it into the App Store. And the App Store handles updates for you. But yeah. Nice. 228 00:26:33.979 --> 00:26:41.099 Nice. Well, congratulations. Thank you. I'm very excited for you. And I have already purchased it the proper way. 229 00:26:41.859 --> 00:26:47.780 Oh, thank you. Yes. Yeah. Well, I intend to pirate it. so. You do you. Find a way. 230 00:26:50.060 --> 00:26:57.540 I guess I'm a better person than Matt. These selfish developers, I tell you. Ask him for five dollars or five euros. 231 00:26:58.359 --> 00:27:04.939 I don't know. Here's freedom money. What is a euro actually right now? I don't even know. 232 00:27:05.560 --> 00:27:12.400 One reason as well is that I picked to price it in euros and in US dollars is because that's fluctuating a lot. 233 00:27:14.479 --> 00:27:23.140 Everything's fluctuating. so I will keep it steady with my euros also makes it the European alternative for folks 234 00:27:23.290 --> 00:27:32.819 oh that's right that needs to be on the website let me pivot my entire marketing right now the European spotlight yes 235 00:27:34.700 --> 00:27:45.339 Raycast? no it doesn't matter alright anything else on that? that's it if you have ideas, feedback 236 00:27:45.359 --> 00:27:54.760 Just write to me on Mastodon or over email. I will be happy to keep working on this. Okay. All right. 237 00:27:54.939 --> 00:27:59.020 Well, I have something new for the two of you. I have a brand new monitor. 238 00:27:59.500 --> 00:28:05.060 And would either of you like to take a guess at what monitor I have? Because it's like a computer monitor? 239 00:28:05.560 --> 00:28:11.420 Yeah, a computer monitor. Oh, wow. You went all in on something. Maybe. You know. Hmm. You know me. 240 00:28:11.619 --> 00:28:16.119 Should I guess or just read what it's written in our document? Yeah, I was hoping you wouldn't say it like that. 241 00:28:16.849 --> 00:28:28.339 So I have dramatic reading. Yeah. Asus ROG, Republic of Gamers, Swift 32-inch 4K OLED. Look, guys, I couldn't do it. 242 00:28:28.520 --> 00:28:31.640 I've been waiting for a studio display update for years now. 243 00:28:32.699 --> 00:28:39.560 I have been like, look, mini LED OLED, like, give me something. And then the studio display update came out. 244 00:28:39.900 --> 00:28:50.280 And for the studio display XDR with nanotexture, it is $3,600 for a 27-inch monitor that is mini-LED. 245 00:28:51.540 --> 00:28:53.459 And that is way too much money. 246 00:28:53.699 --> 00:29:01.079 I will get into it in a little bit, but you can buy three of these monitors that I bought for one of those XDR nanotexture displays. 247 00:29:02.439 --> 00:29:09.479 So, and the other thing is, my needs have changed. I need HDMI in, and I wanted OLED. 248 00:29:09.839 --> 00:29:12.959 I was like, mini LED is fine, but I really want OLED. 249 00:29:13.760 --> 00:29:20.579 And just about every single one of my monitors, displays, TVs in my house now is OLED. 250 00:29:20.770 --> 00:29:26.400 So I'm just like, I really wanted this. So let's get into some specifics of this monitor. 251 00:29:26.619 --> 00:29:32.579 First off, it is a 240 hertz monitor. And 240 hertz on macOS is wild. 252 00:29:32.920 --> 00:29:42.099 I was about to say, like, this is an insane number. Matt, isn't yours 240 hertz? Yes, I believe. 253 00:29:42.380 --> 00:29:47.239 I'm looking at the specs now. I believe we have the same panel, just different manufacturers. But yeah. 254 00:29:48.359 --> 00:29:51.760 And the reason why I went with this one, John Voorhees told me about this one. 255 00:29:52.010 --> 00:29:57.959 And the reason why I went with this one is it was on sale. And I got it for a lot cheaper than what it normally is. 256 00:29:58.599 --> 00:30:05.439 Can I just say? Can I just say, this is the most gamer thing I've ever seen. I'm going to get to it. 257 00:30:06.160 --> 00:30:13.979 I'm going to get to it. I have fixed all the game replays. Okay. I fixed the game replays. I have not Googled it yet. 258 00:30:14.219 --> 00:30:21.439 I'm worried. But let's get into the specifics of the monitor first. It is 240 hertz and a macOS that is wild. 259 00:30:21.589 --> 00:30:23.739 Like scrolling is smooth, but you know what's great? 260 00:30:24.260 --> 00:30:28.540 The final cut timeline because I have the feature enabled where the scroll bar goes automatically. 261 00:30:28.800 --> 00:30:32.500 So when I'm editing comfort zone, I just let it play in like the scroll bar goes. 262 00:30:32.959 --> 00:30:40.079 And before on the studio display on 60 hertz, it was choppy. This is what it looks like. Hang on. 263 00:30:40.339 --> 00:30:46.599 I'm going to get to that. I'm going to get to that. I fixed it. I have fixed it. I have fixed it. 264 00:30:46.709 --> 00:30:51.180 So it doesn't look like that. I'm just saying mine looks a lot less gamery than this. Okay. All right. 265 00:30:51.319 --> 00:30:57.459 Let's just get to it now because these two aren't going to let it go. They're ruining my topic. It's ruined. Okay. 266 00:30:58.079 --> 00:31:03.439 So the monitor stand that comes with this thing is already like, no, it's already. No. 267 00:31:03.500 --> 00:31:10.520 I bought a Visa monitor stand that mounts to my desk. I put a link to it in the show notes. It's the monitor arm. 268 00:31:10.939 --> 00:31:17.560 It's just a pole. So the monitors do it a pole dance. And it's just right on there. It's just a single pole. 269 00:31:17.680 --> 00:31:22.180 It goes straight up. And then I have my monitor stand right in front of it. So I don't even see the monitor pole. 270 00:31:22.390 --> 00:31:29.459 I don't even see it. But the monitor stand is gone. Now, this thing has a bunch of RGB lights on it. The monitor does. 271 00:31:30.040 --> 00:31:32.300 You can go into the settings and you can turn them all off. 272 00:31:32.339 --> 00:31:37.500 everything is turned off there is no rgb coming from this thing whatsoever there's a front facing 273 00:31:38.040 --> 00:31:45.260 logo it is right it is covered it is covered up with black tape with black but that you could turn 274 00:31:45.349 --> 00:31:50.479 off the logo light you can turn off that logo light that's a light so okay but like it's because 275 00:31:50.579 --> 00:31:55.140 it's an rgb light like you could turn so there's rgb all over the place you can turn it all off 276 00:31:55.939 --> 00:32:00.879 and it's really easy it's not that big of a deal okay chris i'm looking at the amazon listing and 277 00:32:00.900 --> 00:32:09.540 And below the stand, it looks like it's projecting the logo onto the desk as well. Is that a thing the stand does? Yes. 278 00:32:09.680 --> 00:32:16.420 Oh, you're right. It does. Yeah. Again, another thing that is turned off. You could turn all of this stuff off. 279 00:32:16.880 --> 00:32:25.479 But oh, boy, does this thing go hardcore. I'm a 360 no-scope, bro. Like, I'm fortnighting for my work. Yeah. 280 00:32:25.780 --> 00:32:29.719 No, that's what this monitor is. You could turn all of that off. Thank God. 281 00:32:29.959 --> 00:32:33.260 Because if you couldn't have turned that off, this monitor would have already been sent back already. Absolutely. 282 00:32:34.140 --> 00:32:40.160 But John told me, because I was talking to him about it, and he was like, yeah, you could turn all this off. 283 00:32:40.339 --> 00:32:44.900 So this is the 32-inch version of the one Federico has. This is the same one John has. 284 00:32:47.000 --> 00:32:54.540 It is Dolby Vision OLED, and the panel is gorgeous. So, Matt, it sounds like you and I have the same panel. 285 00:32:54.670 --> 00:33:02.000 So yours is Dolby Vision. It's technically 31.5-inch monitor, but let's just round up to 32 inches. Yep. 286 00:33:03.800 --> 00:33:13.380 Having that extra space is great. Like, I really like that. I'm using the DisplayPort out into my CalDigit TS5 Plus hub. 287 00:33:14.560 --> 00:33:17.239 I did a bunch of research. Basically, DisplayPort is the way to go. 288 00:33:17.400 --> 00:33:22.660 It's the best, highest quality while getting the highest refresh rate. It's the best way to go. 289 00:33:23.479 --> 00:33:26.140 And I can go right into the DisplayPort in the CalDigit hub, 290 00:33:26.280 --> 00:33:33.060 So that gets me an extra Thunderbolt spot back on my CalDigit hub. So that's kind of nice. OLED panel looks beautiful. 291 00:33:33.339 --> 00:33:35.119 It's great for editing photos and videos. 292 00:33:36.160 --> 00:33:43.699 But here's the thing I was really hung up on that really took a lot for me to get over. It is 4K at 32 inches. 293 00:33:46.280 --> 00:33:50.300 Which is not Apple Retina PPI. Pixels per inch. 294 00:33:51.619 --> 00:33:57.719 And I can tell the difference from going from the studio display to this. I can see there is a difference. 295 00:33:59.000 --> 00:34:04.619 And it's going to pain me to say, it's really not that big of a deal. Chris, welcome to the resistance. 296 00:34:05.439 --> 00:34:10.939 Oh, there you go. So I set the, so I went into system settings display 297 00:34:11.479 --> 00:34:17.320 and I set the, you know, you have like the five options of what you monitor resolution. I set it to the middle one. 298 00:34:17.610 --> 00:34:22.820 By default, it was set to the largest one and everything was massive. And I was like, oh my God, if I can't change this, 299 00:34:23.179 --> 00:34:29.320 I'm sending this thing back. It was, everything was massive. It felt like I had a 24-inch monitor on a 32-inch. 300 00:34:29.719 --> 00:34:36.419 It was way too big. I set it to the middle one, and it's perfect. It's like everything's the right macOS size. Okay. 301 00:34:36.469 --> 00:34:45.199 It's fine. I was curious. I use the one all the way on the left, which is the perfect pixel. Whoa. 1080p to 4K. 302 00:34:45.750 --> 00:34:55.260 And it makes it extremely crisp. So you use the one where everything's super big. Yeah. The UI's pretty big. Okay. 303 00:34:55.580 --> 00:35:01.899 Interesting. So I landed on the one in the middle because I just couldn't go with all the UI stuff being that big. 304 00:35:02.419 --> 00:35:03.479 Yeah. No, I get that. 305 00:35:03.989 --> 00:35:15.739 I wonder if now I'm thinking about this. Can I go into accessibility and shrink everything, but then have everything that's technically the 4X resolution, so everything is more retina-ish? 306 00:35:16.860 --> 00:35:24.600 It seems like I had to play around with that. Hmm. Interesting. All right. I'll play around with that. 307 00:35:25.010 --> 00:35:32.080 But you know what? It's fine. It looks great. Like, everything is fine. It looks great. I'm very happy with this. 308 00:35:32.959 --> 00:35:37.100 I've been editing videos on it. Like I said, the timeline is super smooth at 240 hertz. 309 00:35:37.679 --> 00:35:45.639 It's also beautiful quality for editing photos and videos. It's great for writing text, too, I guess. Yeah. 310 00:35:46.060 --> 00:35:49.760 That cursor moves. So smooth. Yeah. So smooth. So smooth. 311 00:35:50.560 --> 00:35:56.659 The blinking light of the insertion point, or the, yeah, whatever that's called. Beautiful. 312 00:35:58.179 --> 00:36:05.580 And then dark mode looks really good on this, too. Yeah, really good. Dark mode looks really good. 313 00:36:07.219 --> 00:36:14.320 But I mentioned I needed HDMI. So I am moving my PS5 into here because I just, you know, 314 00:36:14.699 --> 00:36:18.419 sometimes Danielle's playing the Xbox or she's using the TV, and I want to play a game. 315 00:36:18.520 --> 00:36:22.580 So I'm going to move my PS5, which as of this morning just got way more valuable. 316 00:36:23.080 --> 00:36:26.979 I was literally wondering if I could sell my PS5 for the same price I paid for it. 317 00:36:27.340 --> 00:36:30.360 Because I bought it like a couple months after it came out. Why did it get more valuable? 318 00:36:31.760 --> 00:36:36.840 Oh, you didn't see Sony raise the price of the PS5 starting April 2nd. It's the digital. 319 00:36:37.379 --> 00:36:43.260 That's one of my predictions for the year. The digital version is like 600 bucks now or something. 320 00:36:43.560 --> 00:36:53.439 Or like, I don't know. It's gone up. It was $400 originally, and it's gone up quite a bit. Yeah. 321 00:36:54.040 --> 00:36:58.959 No, I think U.S. and some markets. I don't know if it's globally. I know it was U.S. and some markets. 322 00:37:00.459 --> 00:37:08.280 But yeah, the PS5 Pro is like $850 now. It's $100 more. And what games actually support the PS5 Pro? 323 00:37:08.919 --> 00:37:15.840 That's a whole thing. But anyways, I have the PS5 digital-only version, so I'm going to move it in here. 324 00:37:16.360 --> 00:37:21.719 I'm going to 3D print a little stand and mount it underneath my desk or maybe mount it to the wall, haven't decided. 325 00:37:23.600 --> 00:37:33.060 Because it's the digital only version so I don't have to worry about putting CDs in it, so cool. And you know, I I 326 00:37:34.520 --> 00:37:38.040 just want a little place where I can play games. I'm excited about this. The only thing 327 00:37:38.070 --> 00:37:44.199 I need to figure out is how to hook up my studio monitors, so that like my big KRK monitors, so 328 00:37:44.219 --> 00:37:50.060 So I can use those when playing games. But those require an audio interface. So I don't think that'll work right. 329 00:37:50.219 --> 00:37:55.040 So I might just be using headphones, which isn't that big of a deal. Gotcha. Yeah, that's the one thing. 330 00:37:55.219 --> 00:37:59.879 I have my PS5 plugged into my monitor as well. But I have not figured out a good audio solution. 331 00:38:00.080 --> 00:38:04.179 So I use headphones when I... Yeah, I have a feeling I'm going to be a headphone. 332 00:38:04.320 --> 00:38:08.840 So you just plug headphones into the controller and just call it a day. Yeah, I think that's what I'm going to be doing. 333 00:38:08.860 --> 00:38:16.080 Do you guys need recommendations for earpads, for headphones? I have many of those. 334 00:38:16.979 --> 00:38:19.399 For now, I will probably just use my podcasting headphones 335 00:38:20.370 --> 00:38:25.060 until I find something that I – because these are really comfortable. I really like these headphones. 336 00:38:25.360 --> 00:38:32.399 They're very comfy. But, yeah, and then, like I said, I got a monitor arm, so I'm not using the Gamer-y gamer stand. 337 00:38:32.659 --> 00:38:36.260 All the LED light stuff turns off. All the RGB turns off. So, yeah. 338 00:38:36.820 --> 00:38:42.639 But yeah, overall, I'm really happy with this monitor. I'm glad I got a 32-inch monitor. 339 00:38:43.110 --> 00:38:47.439 You just get a little bit more space with everything. Like I said, I did have to change the display stuff 340 00:38:47.639 --> 00:38:55.219 to really feel like I actually got more display stuff, or space to work at. But yeah, pretty happy with it overall. 341 00:38:55.479 --> 00:39:00.280 Can you tell me again the numbers of the virtual resolution that you... 342 00:39:00.280 --> 00:39:03.679 I don't remember what it is off the top of my head, and I'm not sitting at it. 343 00:39:03.820 --> 00:39:10.419 but it's like 3,000 something by something, something, something. So the setting you set in the middle is that? 344 00:39:10.679 --> 00:39:15.280 It is the middle. So there's five options, and I pick literally the third one, the middle one. Okay. Yep. 345 00:39:15.500 --> 00:39:24.060 It's 3,008 by 1692. Yeah. Classic resolution. That classic resolution. It looks fine. It looks fine. 346 00:39:24.479 --> 00:39:29.340 I'm also 35, so maybe it doesn't look fine and my eyes are aging, but who knows? Yeah. 347 00:39:30.659 --> 00:39:40.979 But yeah, I'm disappointed that the new studio display is as expensive as it is. And it's only a 27-inch monitor. 348 00:39:43.040 --> 00:39:48.500 And I couldn't justify spending that kind of money on that display. It looks gorgeous. 349 00:39:48.729 --> 00:39:52.699 All the reviews I've seen, everyone that I know that has one, I've talked to a few people that do have them. 350 00:39:53.080 --> 00:39:53.580 They love it. 351 00:39:53.709 --> 00:40:00.399 But I'm just like, I can't justify spending that kind of money on that monitor when there are other options. 352 00:40:00.479 --> 00:40:05.520 and especially because I really need HDMI in. And Apple refused to acknowledge this device 353 00:40:05.750 --> 00:40:11.239 outside of the Apple ecosystem exists, even though they have computers, which I am sitting at one of them right now, 354 00:40:11.639 --> 00:40:19.060 has HDMI on it. This MacBook Pro has HDMI on it, but they don't make a monitor that I can plug into the side of that, 355 00:40:19.100 --> 00:40:26.679 into the HDMI port and plug into that, along with the Mac Studio and doesn't... No, I don't think the Mac Mini has HDMI. 356 00:40:26.879 --> 00:40:29.820 The Mac Studio has HDMI, but the Mac Mini doesn't. 357 00:40:32.380 --> 00:40:36.399 yeah well i'm glad you made the jump i was a little nervous you were asking about this a few 358 00:40:36.520 --> 00:40:40.820 weeks ago and i was a little nervous to give it a full-throated recommendation because i was worried 359 00:40:41.139 --> 00:40:46.820 about you dropping from 5k to 4k and increasing the screen size so the pixel density was going to 360 00:40:46.820 --> 00:40:53.040 be even worse um so i'm glad that seems to be okay with you but like oled is great especially 361 00:40:53.159 --> 00:40:57.320 if you're not doing computer stuff entirely if you're watching videos and playing games on it that It helps. 362 00:40:58.229 --> 00:41:04.520 The HDR on this is really nice. It doesn't look like yours has it, but I would love to show you this actually one day. 363 00:41:05.179 --> 00:41:09.139 On mine, you can hit a button on the back and it switches it to 1080p output, 364 00:41:09.800 --> 00:41:16.979 but the refresh rate goes to 480, 480 hertz. And that is, you've never seen anything like that. It looks great. 365 00:41:16.979 --> 00:41:24.500 That is wild. It's blurry as heck, but it is, it's a cool little thing. But yeah, I'm glad you seem to like it so far. 366 00:41:24.550 --> 00:41:29.340 This is great. Yeah, it's a good monitor. Like I said, I talked to John about it, 367 00:41:29.340 --> 00:41:35.080 and the reason why I went with this one over the one you had, Matt, was this one was on sale. That's why I got this one. 368 00:41:35.979 --> 00:41:42.320 This one was on sale. I think literally it was on sale this morning, too, again, and it was like $900 on sale. 369 00:41:42.459 --> 00:41:48.800 It's like regularly like $1,200. But again, the regular price, you could buy three of those for the same price 370 00:41:48.800 --> 00:41:55.860 as the XDR Nano Texture one that I was looking at. Yep. Yeah. All right. 371 00:41:56.320 --> 00:42:02.939 Anything on this or should we get into the challenge? Challenge. All right. Challenge, I guess. Challenge. 372 00:42:03.500 --> 00:42:06.100 Matt, it was yours. What did you got for us? It was my challenge. 373 00:42:06.679 --> 00:42:15.820 And my challenge was if you bought a brand new Mac and could only install three apps on it that didn't come pre-installed, what would you do? 374 00:42:17.080 --> 00:42:25.300 This is pretty tight. You have to make some hard choices if you do this. So I went for efficiency. 375 00:42:26.479 --> 00:42:32.139 I went for the most bang for your buck. Now, Nelian, I didn't know you were going to announce your app today. 376 00:42:33.219 --> 00:42:42.780 So my first app is Raycast. Treason. I think, okay, I'm going to give two versions of this. 377 00:42:44.100 --> 00:42:55.419 You're allowed to say Raycast. I chose Raycast because app launcher, that's fast. Emoji picker, that's fast. 378 00:42:55.929 --> 00:43:01.300 And clipboard manager, that's good. So it gives me those three core things that I literally cannot use a Mac without. 379 00:43:02.820 --> 00:43:12.500 The second app is MimeStream because I cannot live with Apple Mail and I cannot do my email from the Gmail web interface. 380 00:43:13.060 --> 00:43:21.800 I need an app to do it. You should try having an IMAP address. I left that life behind. And then there's CleanShot. 381 00:43:22.540 --> 00:43:29.219 I do so many screenshots, so many screen recordings. I tried, I recently got an upgraded, I upgraded my work Mac. 382 00:43:29.399 --> 00:43:36.360 I got a new Mac after five years and I tried not using CleanShot and I wanted to scream. 383 00:43:37.500 --> 00:43:44.419 So I need a really nice screenshot app. I use it so often and Apple's is just not good enough for me. 384 00:43:44.639 --> 00:43:46.439 So CleanShot would be my third app. 385 00:43:46.919 --> 00:43:55.580 I need to buy another license, a clean shot, because I only have one, and I need one for the MacBook Neo now, because I'm running into the same thing. 386 00:43:55.820 --> 00:44:00.459 I genuinely just did that as well. I had to get a third license, because I needed the Neo as well. Yeah. 387 00:44:01.760 --> 00:44:09.159 Even though I do videos for those guys. Anyway. Wow. I would be emailing them. I didn't ask. I didn't ask. Wow. 388 00:44:09.479 --> 00:44:24.020 It's ethics and all that stuff. Calling out. Anyway. If I had Tiny launch. Wow. Are you going to take this, Neelion? 389 00:44:24.070 --> 00:44:32.760 My brain broke. Wow. He already gave the money for it. If I swapped in Tiny Start for Raycast, 390 00:44:33.379 --> 00:44:41.320 I think my two apps would be CleanShot and Pastebot. Yeah, you need to keep on my email. Yeah. 391 00:44:41.669 --> 00:44:47.840 I literally cannot use a computer. I mean, you could always use the spotlight clipboard manager. Don't punish me. 392 00:44:50.520 --> 00:44:57.239 I will need to talk about this. We don't have time today. We don't have time today. I have fun. 393 00:44:57.280 --> 00:45:03.000 We're going to keep it tight. Okay. So that's it for me. I think that would get me. I can't do app development. 394 00:45:03.139 --> 00:45:12.179 I don't know what code editor I'm using at this point. Text edit? Jesus. Why do you hate yourself? I'd have problems. 395 00:45:13.280 --> 00:45:20.639 But that's what I could do, like, other stuff. There's VS Code in the browser. There you go. There are ways. Yeah. 396 00:45:22.080 --> 00:45:24.959 All right. Chris, what would you do? I'm really curious about yours. 397 00:45:25.879 --> 00:45:32.179 So I did two lists just because there's the realistic one where I have to be able to get my work done. 398 00:45:32.520 --> 00:45:40.919 So there's Final Cut, Pixelmator Pro, and Hush. That's pretty boring. But, like, I need those to get my work done. 399 00:45:41.540 --> 00:45:44.520 And Hush makes me really nervous because it hasn't been updated in two years 400 00:45:44.580 --> 00:45:49.320 and the developer has moved on to extensions. And Matt Birchler refuses to make Hush for the iPad and Hush for the Mac. 401 00:45:49.479 --> 00:45:55.659 Yeah, I know. Neely on. Now my new Mac developer. Hush for the iPad when? I have no idea where to begin to do this. 402 00:45:56.360 --> 00:46:01.199 Cool. So I'm going to give you like what? A month? You got this? Like a month? Okay. Okay. 403 00:46:01.860 --> 00:46:07.959 But I created another list in this hypothetical situation where somehow the Apple Creator Studio is included. 404 00:46:08.500 --> 00:46:09.580 I know that's not the prompt. 405 00:46:09.979 --> 00:46:15.540 I just want it for the sake of discussion and for the sake of our audience, I wanted to give a more interesting answer. 406 00:46:16.720 --> 00:46:25.560 Hush, Claude, Notion. Okay. Because I think I could do all, because Notion, I could do all of my business management. 407 00:46:25.969 --> 00:46:28.179 And I think I could do writing in Notion. 408 00:46:28.860 --> 00:46:35.139 And the situation where non-creator studio isn't included, I guess I'm writing in Notes. That sucks. 409 00:46:35.800 --> 00:46:43.479 So I wonder, both you and Matt, you would use Safari as your web browser? Yeah, I would use Safari. 410 00:46:43.719 --> 00:46:47.540 I mean, I already use Safari. I already use Safari. It's fine. It's great. 411 00:46:48.139 --> 00:46:52.000 I mean, I can't record my podcast with you guys anymore because Riverside doesn't support it. 412 00:46:52.639 --> 00:46:55.699 Yeah, the podcast is over if we do this. I got to quit the podcast. 413 00:46:57.070 --> 00:47:02.479 The technology does not exist for us to podcast like this anymore. I can't podcast, but, you know, whatever. 414 00:47:03.060 --> 00:47:10.500 I mean, technically with Matt's setup, he can't podcast either. So, you know. Yeah. Interesting. 415 00:47:11.320 --> 00:47:19.459 But yeah, that's kind of like my two situations there where, you know, one where the Apple Creator Studio is included and one where it's not. 416 00:47:20.379 --> 00:47:27.580 But yeah, unfortunately, I have to have third-party apps in order to get paid. Yeah. Not unfortunate. It's great. 417 00:47:27.739 --> 00:47:32.620 but I was wondering the workaround because when you're buying a new Mac, you can like include creator, 418 00:47:32.800 --> 00:47:37.060 the creator studio. I was wondering if it came like pre-installed, but probably not. It's probably just like, no. 419 00:47:37.239 --> 00:47:40.699 So I think they've changed that now that the creator studio is out. 420 00:47:40.770 --> 00:47:44.260 I think you just buy a license for it and you still have to go and download it. 421 00:47:44.570 --> 00:47:51.239 But there was a time where it did come pre-installed back in the day when like, I think like, I don't remember, 422 00:47:51.399 --> 00:47:54.260 but like, I think I believe there was a time where it did come pre, 423 00:47:54.379 --> 00:48:01.659 like you could get like final cut and logic pre-installed. Okay. Okay. Nice. 424 00:48:02.679 --> 00:48:08.580 Nelian, how did you approach this challenge? Easy. Vivaldi. First choice. I'm a shock. 425 00:48:10.120 --> 00:48:14.620 So, first thing I thought with this prompt is I need a web browser that's good. 426 00:48:14.919 --> 00:48:21.679 Because when you got a web browser that's good, you got a working computer. I mean, that's a good point. 427 00:48:21.879 --> 00:48:28.939 That is a good point. Yeah. You can do everything. You just mentioned, Matt, what text editor you would use. 428 00:48:29.979 --> 00:48:36.919 You have some on the web. You can find. And Vivaldi, I'm sure, has a... Visual Studio Code is in the web. 429 00:48:37.320 --> 00:48:44.000 Yeah, that's right. And there are many other options as well. And also, like, video calls. 430 00:48:44.179 --> 00:48:51.959 I would still be on the podcast. So, I guess, in this alternate universe, I am alone on this show. 431 00:48:52.820 --> 00:49:03.780 But we'll make do, I guess. I'll just promote my app every episode there you go so Vivaldi is great 432 00:49:04.290 --> 00:49:11.760 have you heard of Vivaldi? it's amazing my second app is Swinsian which is my music player no surprise there 433 00:49:13.739 --> 00:49:24.179 it has reached this point I don't think I can live without this I need my Swinsian on my Mac and the third one 434 00:49:24.199 --> 00:49:32.179 I was struggling to find which one to include because I was like that's 99.99% of my mic already 435 00:49:32.600 --> 00:49:38.959 music and browser what else do I need like looking at my doc everything can be in the browser I just 436 00:49:39.080 --> 00:49:45.419 use the apps because they exist but like this I'm seeing like discord slack that can be in the browser 437 00:49:46.060 --> 00:49:51.359 mime stream so that's my email I agree with you Matt that is the best email app but I can live with 438 00:49:51.379 --> 00:50:01.260 Gmail in the browser. So that's fine. Calendar, that can be in the browser as well. Like, even podcasts. So anyway. 439 00:50:02.580 --> 00:50:07.340 So my third pick is just a bonus. It's an extra. It's the icing on the top. It's ivory. 440 00:50:09.360 --> 00:50:16.919 Mastodon client, because I'm a lone IRL. I don't have friends. You can see, if you're looking at the video version, 441 00:50:17.219 --> 00:50:23.419 there's nobody behind me. Like, I have no friends. Like, no one likes me. Technically, nobody's behind him. Yeah, but... 442 00:50:24.879 --> 00:50:28.159 Yeah, but... If there's someone behind me, I got nobody right away, because I'm about to be murdered. 443 00:50:28.500 --> 00:50:37.699 But my walls are more white and plain, so I'm more alone than you. So, yeah. So I need my online friends. 444 00:50:38.179 --> 00:50:45.300 It's all I need to say. Okay. Okay. I'm kind of surprised none of us said Xcode, 445 00:50:45.459 --> 00:50:48.340 and then we can just build all of our own apps. I was literally just having that thought. 446 00:50:48.340 --> 00:50:52.020 I was like, why wouldn't I just play Xcode as mine, and then I can just make all the apps that I want. 447 00:50:52.040 --> 00:50:54.919 It'll take me a while to get up and running, but give me enough time. 448 00:50:55.260 --> 00:51:02.560 And neither Niléane or Matt picked any of their own apps. Listen. I would just like to point that out. That's true. 449 00:51:04.540 --> 00:51:13.020 Mine are nice to haves. Same. I'm not saying Tiny Start is essential. I'm just saying it focuses on this. 450 00:51:13.020 --> 00:51:17.419 What are you going to launch? Just put them in the dock. That's true. You can have your entire computer in the dock. 451 00:51:18.020 --> 00:51:24.719 That's true. On the desktop, you max out the icon size in Finder, and you have three big icons on the desktop. 452 00:51:26.780 --> 00:51:34.280 All right. Well, that was interesting results. Kind of basically what I expected from Neely on. I think we should. 453 00:51:34.340 --> 00:51:36.280 Vivaldi, I knew it was going to be your number one. Yeah. 454 00:51:36.389 --> 00:51:39.479 I think maybe at some point we should do another thought experiment 455 00:51:39.959 --> 00:51:49.360 like this where we stay in the same universe and expand on that. So like we commit to this and we have three more, 456 00:51:49.500 --> 00:51:58.199 but just three iPhone apps. I don't know. And just keep limiting our lives to three of everything. Oh my goodness. 457 00:51:58.939 --> 00:52:03.560 Interesting. Okay. But that's not my new challenge, by the way. Okay. What is your new challenge? 458 00:52:03.879 --> 00:52:07.239 This is your challenge. So I'm picking the new challenge for next week. 459 00:52:07.379 --> 00:52:20.820 And the new challenge is we will back up our entire photos library. Okay. and the best method wins. Okay. 460 00:52:21.719 --> 00:52:25.360 I've heard of this kind of stuff. So, Matt, backup is when you take your data 461 00:52:25.560 --> 00:52:32.360 and make a copy of it onto separate storage. Oh, okay. Usually into a different location 462 00:52:32.939 --> 00:52:36.179 or definitely a different device at the bare minimum. Yes. Okay. 463 00:52:36.959 --> 00:52:40.679 And Chris, you already have something set up for this, right? You backup your photo? 464 00:52:40.679 --> 00:52:46.659 I do, I do, but I can do something different. Exactly. I was about to say something new. I will do something different. 465 00:52:47.219 --> 00:52:54.699 Yeah. And in my regard, I don't like, it's just in iCloud. And I have no idea what I'm going to do. 466 00:52:54.860 --> 00:53:00.620 But hopefully I will find apps. I don't know. I came across recently some apps that would do this. 467 00:53:00.739 --> 00:53:08.459 I have no idea what they're worth. So I thought this would be a good opportunity to try some of them out. Okay. 468 00:53:08.959 --> 00:53:12.780 All right. Interesting. Okay. All right. Well, that brings us to the end of the show question. 469 00:53:13.060 --> 00:53:18.100 and my question for the two of you is what is your dream job today? No need to worry about qualifications, 470 00:53:18.739 --> 00:53:23.800 resources, or education. We're living in a fantasy world. You can do anything you want to be. What do you want to be? 471 00:53:23.899 --> 00:53:29.699 Yeah, president of the French Republic. Okay, I knew you were going to say that. I mean, obviously. 472 00:53:30.899 --> 00:53:35.780 I knew what you were going to say. Give me a job where I can change the world. I will take it. 473 00:53:36.520 --> 00:53:40.360 I mean, I would take emperor of the world, but that might be a little unrealistic. 474 00:53:40.379 --> 00:53:43.540 So if I can't have that, then a race car driver. 475 00:53:43.820 --> 00:53:51.639 Specifically, probably in the GT3 Cup, so I could drive a Mustang in a race car. You know? Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. 476 00:53:52.239 --> 00:53:59.260 You guys thought bigger than me. I was just going to say a solo developer who can work full time and be comfortable. 477 00:54:00.360 --> 00:54:07.560 Oh, wow. Yeah. Sure, that works. But I don't need fame and power. It's fine. The fast cars would be nice. 478 00:54:07.739 --> 00:54:14.360 That would be fun. Fast cars. Yeah. I don't want the fame and all the power either. I just wanted to say it. 479 00:54:14.419 --> 00:54:20.800 I mean, clearly you want the power. You clearly want the power. That's right. I want the power. The fame, I don't care. 480 00:54:20.959 --> 00:54:29.679 I want the power. You're right. Yes. Okay. Okay. You more want to be like a behind-the-scenes puppet master. No. No, no. 481 00:54:29.739 --> 00:54:33.340 I want to be. Because then you don't have the fame, but you have the power. You don't understand. 482 00:54:33.479 --> 00:54:40.219 I want to be the master of the puppet masters. Okay. Okay. Yes. All right. Okay. 483 00:54:40.560 --> 00:54:44.439 Well, that brings us to the end of the show. Thank you all so much for listening. 484 00:54:44.739 --> 00:54:48.500 Thank you to MacStories for having us. We are a MacStories podcast. Be sure to go check out all the other writings 485 00:54:48.800 --> 00:54:55.060 and shows and stuff on the channel or on the website. Sorry, YouTube brain. Thank you all so much for listening. 486 00:54:55.459 --> 00:55:01.439 Have a great day. Bye-bye. And don't forget to try out Vivaldi for iOS with the double-decker tabs. 487 00:55:02.120 --> 00:55:07.060 Why didn't you promote your own app? And Tiny Start. All right. Use Tiny Start, people. I have an app as well.