1 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:09,760 Hey, everybody freaks, I freak. 2 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:10,120 Hold on. 3 00:00:10,120 --> 00:00:10,680 Let me start again. 4 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:10,920 Hold on. 5 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:13,920 Sorry, I just noticed that I misspelled Reuben. 6 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:15,240 That's all. 7 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:17,400 Right. Okay. 8 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:17,680 All right. 9 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:19,000 That threw me off real, real fast. 10 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:21,120 Okay. Five. Four. Three. Two. One. 11 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:22,200 Hey, y'all, welcome to Geek Freaks. 12 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:27,680 I am Frank, and I'm here with Alan Rubin and Dave, creators of the Harold. 13 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:30,000 How are you all doing today? 14 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:31,000 Fine. I'm. 15 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:33,480 Yeah, I'm all right. 16 00:00:33,480 --> 00:00:37,080 Alan is an all too familiar voice for us in the show in the past. 17 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:38,960 Rubin, this is your first time. 18 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:41,280 so let's start with Alan. 19 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:42,760 We're going to be going over the. 20 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:45,760 Harold, can you break down what the Harold is? 21 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:48,320 yeah, it's a book. 22 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:49,680 Awesome. Okay. Go ahead. 23 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:51,320 Let's go to Dave. Now, let's talk about 24 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:53,240 nothing. 25 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:54,600 You'd be of more use to us. 26 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:55,720 Yes. That is. 27 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:58,160 Yeah. No. So the, the Harold was. 28 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:01,160 It's it's Reuben's brainchild, and, 29 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:05,960 it's a story that he already came to me about a man with. 30 00:01:05,960 --> 00:01:08,960 I don't want to give too, too much away, but it's, it's a super. 31 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:11,520 Yeah, yeah, well, give him a little taste. 32 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:14,520 It's a supernatural western. 33 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:17,400 that involves a bounty hunter 34 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:22,280 who is, I guess, just on a mission to retrieve something that was stolen. 35 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:26,760 And we wanted this story to kind of expand through, you know, different, 36 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:31,160 different time periods and just really just stretch 37 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:34,080 what we can do with a story of this size. 38 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:35,080 Yeah. 39 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:37,720 So then, Reuben, where did you get the idea for a time? 40 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:39,080 Wondering bounty hunter. 41 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:43,560 So, Yeah. 42 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:45,760 Idea. Yeah. 43 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:48,560 Came out of anything at, like, literally the air. 44 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:49,200 Like air. 45 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:52,200 I didn't I didn't even have a plan for the book. 46 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:55,560 Honestly, I knew that I wanted to do a Western, and I knew that 47 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:59,920 I wanted to do a Western, with a cowboy, a horse in a crow. 48 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:03,120 But, I do have a theme 49 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:06,640 in my comic books usually, which is a religious team. 50 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:10,200 And I try to implement a little bit of mythology in this book, 51 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:13,480 and that's what you will find mostly. 52 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:16,840 Why? Why attracted to the Western? 53 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:19,840 I know you're from Europe. Why? Why Western 54 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:24,440 do I think we've all grew up watching old Westerns? 55 00:02:24,920 --> 00:02:29,520 At least my grandpa used to roll those movies in the old TV a whole lot. 56 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:34,000 So I just used to sit next to him and just see, like Clint Eastwood 57 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:38,400 shooting some bad guy, you know, Beth Martin, some people. 58 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:39,520 And that's awesome. 59 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:40,000 Honestly. 60 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:45,840 And, I wanted to have a more, artistic, approach to, to a Western, creates 61 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:48,960 something a little bit out of the ordinary if 62 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:52,240 I, if I consider an adult came about. 63 00:02:52,920 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaking of that, let's go a little bit into the art. 64 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:57,960 We have a very clear art palette with the pinks and the oranges, 65 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:00,680 and then it shifts. Of course, when we go to a different time period. 66 00:03:01,920 --> 00:03:03,120 is that what your goal was? 67 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:05,680 Is to use different kind of color palettes for different time? 68 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:06,600 Exactly, exactly. 69 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:10,520 So you can't even establish correctly where you at in, can you? 70 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:14,960 And you know, you will see a whole lot of that throughout the book. 71 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:19,240 So you can distinguish where you at, what the situation is and what it represents. 72 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:20,840 Okay. 73 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:23,160 And then Dave, let's go over to you. 74 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:26,760 We have a lot of like the calling from the crows in the dialog 75 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:31,160 that's both kind of western that, that, person just kind of in our ears. 76 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:34,680 And then also from, our protagonist, how as a letter 77 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:37,680 are you trying to make this feel like it's an old Western? 78 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:41,760 well, honestly, 79 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:44,800 that's all Ruben's father like he very much. 80 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:48,560 He was just like, look, man, this is how I want it to look. 81 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:49,320 If you can't. 82 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:51,560 If you can't do it, I'll just find someone else. 83 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:52,560 That's. 84 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:54,360 That's just how he rolls. It was. 85 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:57,080 It was not. It was not like that. But it was. 86 00:03:57,080 --> 00:03:58,680 It was exactly like that. 87 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:00,000 He was exactly like that. 88 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:02,200 No, it was actually. 89 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:07,120 No. But he did have a very specific, look and feel that he had in mind for this. 90 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:10,480 And, you know, I think the book came out the better for it. 91 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:11,120 Honestly. 92 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:15,400 It's it's, very clean, very, very striking. 93 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:16,600 Yeah. 94 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:19,480 you did a really wonderful job with a Greek scenes. 95 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:22,480 Can you kind of explain what you what your choice was there? 96 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:24,720 Oh, just, you know, like it. 97 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:29,080 There's there's always the, the thing in comics where, you know, 98 00:04:29,280 --> 00:04:32,320 you throw in the little brackets when things like is translated 99 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:34,200 from the original language or anything like that. 100 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:37,240 And I was just like, well, you know, this doesn't really need to be translated 101 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:40,560 for anyone, so they just make it look more like it's, 102 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:43,960 like Greek, you know, speech. 103 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:46,400 Yeah. And it seems like it almost chiseled words and stuff. 104 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:48,600 Yeah, yeah. Good words at that point. Yeah. 105 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:50,360 it reminds me of the Thor comics. 106 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:53,640 Whenever you're reading a Thor comic, it goes to almost like fancy English 107 00:04:53,840 --> 00:04:55,200 whenever you start speaking. 108 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:56,920 So it's a little bit different. 109 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:58,480 It's a very good choice. 110 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:00,600 Alan, let's go back to you. 111 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:03,360 Clearly, at this point, you've made a few comic books and stuff like that. 112 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:04,320 Yeah. Just like. 113 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:06,160 Yeah. Why did you want to attach yourself to this one? 114 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:10,360 And does it have any sort of not connection, but were you inspired 115 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:11,320 by some of your past works? 116 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:12,880 yeah. 117 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:15,960 So the reason why I want to be connected to this was just because I was bored. 118 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:18,080 Okay. 119 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:18,920 Did not. Right. 120 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:21,840 But I mean, you've already got a few things you're dealing this. 121 00:05:21,840 --> 00:05:22,680 Yeah. Yeah. 122 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:24,160 I had nothing else going on. No. 123 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:27,160 so obviously I'm a. Yeah. Right. 124 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:31,320 I'm a big fan of of Reuben, first and foremost. 125 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:35,880 And just for Reuben to approach me to want to do something was awesome 126 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:40,640 because I've worked with Reuben on a couple covers, for Grandma Chainsaw. 127 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:44,320 And we've we've bounced around ideas before for some other stuff. 128 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:46,600 And he did the art for a story 129 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:49,920 that Brian Verlander myself worked on for Rosebud Manor. 130 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:55,200 And it was just one of those, as soon as Reuben approached me with this, 131 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:59,920 it was an immediate yes, because I'm a huge fan of mythology 132 00:05:59,920 --> 00:06:05,080 and theology, and this was just like, I don't know, like right up my alley. 133 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:07,400 I just felt, you know, it felt right. 134 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:09,480 It was one of those things. Yeah. 135 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:10,960 Reservoir of the manager. 136 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:15,240 Rose Blood Manor is sort of the Avengers Endgame of this universe, 137 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:16,560 where I feel like there's a bunch of creators 138 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:18,760 that have touched that project that go on to create 139 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:20,720 other things that I've interviewed, like, oh yeah, I also did Rosebud. 140 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:22,680 I'm like, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. 141 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:24,520 It seems like everyone has done that at some point. 142 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:25,640 Yeah. 143 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:27,720 can you tell us a little bit about this main character? 144 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:28,520 What's the drive? 145 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:31,680 Why are they first off, you know, I don't I don't spoil anything. 146 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:34,560 There's a lot of big spoilers there. But what's the drive for this character? 147 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:39,680 it's I think it's a and I love these types of characters. 148 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:42,680 it's a bound by oath type character 149 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:47,280 and, you know, without without giving away too much, like, that's like, 150 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:51,000 that's kind of the big, big, big thing with it. 151 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:55,200 we, we wanted a character who got. 152 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:56,840 How do I explain this? 153 00:06:56,840 --> 00:07:00,480 I love the anti-hero in a lot of ways. 154 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:04,880 And you don't know exactly why he's doing what he's doing, 155 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:08,360 but, you know, it's for a cause that's bigger than he is. 156 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:12,840 Or is he actually, you know, chain to fate, right? 157 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:16,640 So it's one of those situations where we we wanted it 158 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:20,000 to be kind of ambiguous, obviously, for at least the first issue. 159 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:22,600 What kind of challenges can we expect this character to face? 160 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:24,360 Maybe room. And you might know this one too. 161 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:25,000 I'm sure you do. 162 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:27,280 what kind of challenges are we expecting him to see? 163 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:30,160 Because he seems unstoppable in this particular scenario. 164 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:31,440 But I'm sure he's going to run into something. 165 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:34,440 So that's the fun part about it. 166 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:38,360 because we are gonna, most likely. 167 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:42,480 And that's the 100% we are going to deliver the ash 168 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:45,480 kind of issue to, along with this campaign. 169 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:48,560 And that's where you will see a shift, 170 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:51,560 most likely on that specific department, 171 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:55,480 and you will get to understand the correlation 172 00:07:55,480 --> 00:08:00,000 with the CRO with everything and why they work together. 173 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:03,240 And even the reasoning for 174 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:06,840 and he he being the way he is 175 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:09,960 and what he is actually more like that. 176 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:13,080 Yeah that's that's pretty much it. Okay. 177 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:15,840 And how do you make sure to differ this character 178 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:18,840 from other Western characters or even other supernatural characters? 179 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:21,800 I don't know. Okay. 180 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:24,480 So that's one tricky question because that's, 181 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:27,040 I think that's the whole blood of it. 182 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:28,880 Okay. Yeah. No problem. No. 183 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:31,120 But let's see. 184 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:35,520 Alan, do you think we can explain that in in some way that doesn't give? 185 00:08:35,680 --> 00:08:38,040 Yeah, I'll explain this in a, Yeah. 186 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:41,560 From a really pretentious, grocery creator. 187 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:43,080 Yes, yes, yes. 188 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:46,280 what makes this character. 189 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:49,120 So I don't want to say different from anything else. 190 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:51,800 What makes this character special to us? 191 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:55,680 and obviously this is a lot of credit for, for Ruben. 192 00:08:55,680 --> 00:08:59,920 And his approach with it is being forward thinking. 193 00:08:59,920 --> 00:09:02,920 Like Frank, you and I have talked about this before. 194 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:06,520 You know, even as stupid as Grandma Chainsaw is 195 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:09,560 and as wacky as Horace's, 196 00:09:09,560 --> 00:09:12,560 I unfortunately still put a lot of thought behind it, 197 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:16,040 and I want to make sure that the story's well delivered. 198 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:17,120 And I want to make sure 199 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:21,480 that when Dave goes to letter the book, he bitches at me as little as possible. 200 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:25,680 So I always try to make sure at least the story's coherent, cohesive 201 00:09:25,680 --> 00:09:27,000 and everything. 202 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:29,880 And that's one thing about the Harold is, 203 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:32,680 we're not flying by the seat of our pants on this thing. 204 00:09:32,680 --> 00:09:34,600 Like, the whole story has already been thought out. 205 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:35,760 We're we're ready to go. 206 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:38,080 We have the whole beats for the whole series. 207 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:41,120 and, you know, this 208 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:44,280 this challenge for this book, and I. 209 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:48,800 And I love this because how I'm used to doing it, I'm used to writing a script. 210 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:53,360 and then I give it to the artist. 211 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:54,840 Then the artist will go and do that. 212 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:58,240 Then it goes to Dave, but we're kind of switching steps around 213 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:01,560 and this is where we have to be proactive in our thinking 214 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:05,680 because I Ruben, I love you and I hate you for this. 215 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:09,000 But he draws the book first 216 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:12,000 and then yeah, he draws and callers it. 217 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:14,160 So no pressure. 218 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:16,600 So he does it first because he has a specific idea 219 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:19,240 and he's going off the story beats that we've talked about. 220 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:22,080 and then he places it that way. 221 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:23,720 And then we go back and write it 222 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:26,960 and and it works. 223 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:32,200 And I hate it, because, you know, it's, whenever he did it for the first one 224 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:34,960 because it's like we had 25 pages and he's like, here we go. 225 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:37,560 And it's like, oh my God, I was not expecting this, right? 226 00:10:37,560 --> 00:10:40,560 Because he just dumped everything at one time. 227 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:43,120 Yeah. So yeah. 228 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:45,520 Well, Dave, that's got to change your whole process quite a bit. 229 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:46,600 How much are you working with 230 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:49,800 Alan to try to make this story fit into the the new limitations? 231 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:51,840 Not at all. 232 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:54,840 I just don't I genuinely don't care what he does. 233 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:56,600 And this is true. 234 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:59,520 So in Watchmen style, just a big block of dialog like it'll work. 235 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:01,800 Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. 236 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:05,880 I mean, you know, if it doesn't fit, he gets he gets yelled at basically 237 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:07,320 is what happens. 238 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:10,080 And like what he said about that earlier, that's 100% true. 239 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:13,640 He tries to make me bitch at him as little as possible 240 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:16,360 because he knows it's coming. Yeah, yeah. 241 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:18,840 I'm liking this idea of Alan being the whipping boy and everybody 242 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:20,440 just kind of being like, yeah, Matt. 243 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:21,880 And I'm just going to text Alan real quick. 244 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:23,040 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 245 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:25,920 Dave is really mad at Ruben, but he just takes it out on me. Yeah. 246 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:28,000 It's that language barrier. 247 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:30,120 He's not gonna understand what I'm saying anyway. 248 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:31,080 You guys. 249 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:34,080 Should. 250 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:37,080 All right, so all the guys on your guys's Kickstarter page, you guys mentioned 251 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:40,400 influences of, like, Clive Barker, Quentin Tarantino, the spaghetti westerns. 252 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:42,680 I mean, boy, spaghetti westerns. 253 00:11:42,680 --> 00:11:45,560 You mentioned that earlier, Reuben with like of those Clint Eastwood's 254 00:11:45,560 --> 00:11:48,120 what from those is brought into this. 255 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:51,440 I know just outsiders of the cowboy, but there's something else there that 256 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:52,840 that Lone Ranger. 257 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:56,600 Reuben, what other things are you pulling from those inspirations, though? 258 00:11:57,200 --> 00:12:00,200 Okay, one thing that I can say is that this first, 259 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:03,240 this first book I wanted to implement, 260 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:07,720 the classic bar fight, you know, so that's one thing that I always wanted to draw. 261 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:12,480 I don't know what attracted me to that, but that was a fun thing. 262 00:12:12,560 --> 00:12:16,320 So that little, little town in the middle of nowhere, 263 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:22,080 where there is a bar with regulars and an outsider just comes in, 264 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:26,040 and of course there's going to be some some friction. 265 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:30,120 And that's what I wanted to explore in art and it's these types 266 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:33,320 of little things that come from those types of movies 267 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:36,720 that I want to explore and take to another level. 268 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:39,560 That never level is very important, and I don't want to spoil anything. 269 00:12:39,560 --> 00:12:41,640 It's a very big turn in the book. 270 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:44,480 that is such a fun turn. 271 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:46,360 Actually, I'm trying to. Put. 272 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:48,000 Put into words. It's so cool. 273 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:52,040 when you're making that hour, how are you pacing out the pages? 274 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:53,120 Are you trying to make sure 275 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:57,280 that the reader is feeling that moment before you turn happens? 276 00:12:57,280 --> 00:13:00,840 Or are you trying to, like, boom, turn the page all of a sudden surprise? 277 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:03,000 How are you putting that out? 278 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:03,960 That's interesting. 279 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:10,000 I think I go, I go about a simple, a simple process. 280 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:14,760 I honestly, I check a lot of photos, for this book, 281 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:18,600 I go around and see a bunch of movements 282 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:22,120 and every type of action 283 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:25,320 that I can feel, and it can translate to my book, to my book. 284 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:27,440 So, for example, 285 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:30,400 then, yeah, 286 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:33,800 this part I will have to redo, but that's okay. 287 00:13:34,680 --> 00:13:35,760 I'll vignette. 288 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:37,560 I don't know, honestly. 289 00:13:37,560 --> 00:13:39,960 it's super organic. 290 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:41,520 I try to see like a movie. 291 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:47,120 So if the shot works, if the shots good, and if it's pretty, I'll use it, you know, 292 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:50,960 and I'll go about that if if it sounds organic, if it looks organic, 293 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:53,400 and if it's not, 294 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:54,600 how should I say it? 295 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:56,080 I just, I just go about it. 296 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:57,800 That's why alien doesn't like me. 297 00:13:57,800 --> 00:13:59,480 Because I just go. 298 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:02,480 I just go around because this book is super unorthodox. 299 00:14:02,560 --> 00:14:03,080 It's. 300 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:04,240 I just go around and do. 301 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:07,440 It's it's it's just that you feel. 302 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:10,120 You feel what you're saying, though. You feel the cinematic. 303 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:11,120 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 304 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:13,880 The tempo the everything feels very much like shot by shot. 305 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:15,400 You can almost feel that camera zooming in as. 306 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:19,960 Yes, know, it's still stuck in my head that I cannot even translate into words. 307 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:21,120 It's it's weird. 308 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:24,320 This book is weird, but it's really weirdly good, you know. 309 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:27,240 That just makes you want to jump into the book so much. 310 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:30,720 I wish I could tell you what happened, but it makes you want to jump in so much. 311 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:31,680 But it's such a 312 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:35,080 as even telling Ellen, you guys release the trailer and I might cut this part out, 313 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:38,160 but you guys are at least showing, like, don't reveal that part like that. 314 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:39,240 Yeah. Cool. 315 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:40,320 Hey. Yeah, but that's it. 316 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:42,360 So that's the wild part with Kickstarter, right? 317 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:45,360 Because, you know, there's stuff that we want to keep hidden, but 318 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:48,520 we're trying to make a name not for ourselves 319 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:52,680 because that's that's whatever we want the project to eat before we do. 320 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:53,800 Right? Yeah. 321 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:54,600 So yeah. 322 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:58,920 So we, we want people to know what this book is 323 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:02,320 and what to expect, even if we have to give away a little bit. 324 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:03,720 I mean, it's not obviously not all of it. 325 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:05,440 Frank, you've had a chance to read this thing. 326 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:05,840 Yeah. 327 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:08,880 you know, even in that trailer, because, like, that's where the book. 328 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:11,520 I don't want to say it's not exciting up until that point, 329 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:14,560 but that's where it's like, okay, these guys aren't messing around. 330 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:15,680 Yeah, right. 331 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:17,960 And that's that's so awesome. 332 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:19,680 And and the the big thing about the artwork 333 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:23,480 in the style that Reuben chose for this, because Dave and I, we've talked 334 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:25,200 about this a million times. 335 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:28,600 It's it's funny because this is not a criticism at all. 336 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:30,840 Reuben is a chameleon with his art. 337 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:33,400 He could be on three books, 338 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:37,080 and I couldn't tell you it was the same person, because he adapts 339 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:41,560 so well to the story and pulls references and and cares about what he's doing. 340 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:45,360 but with this book, you know, purposefully wanted 341 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:48,360 to make it feel like it was from that time period. 342 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:50,320 He wanted the flat colors. 343 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:54,760 He he wanted some of the, you know, shaky lines to go with it 344 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:59,400 and some of the unfinished lines to do that and let the color show 345 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:02,400 where the land separates and the buildings begin. 346 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:05,680 you know, like I said, it was all intentional with that stuff. 347 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:08,280 And that carries over into the time change. 348 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:11,640 when we're in Greece, we have random like, yellow shafts 349 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:16,040 and pink shafts coming in that are almost just like, oh, wow. 350 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:17,200 This is just an artistic choice. 351 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:20,720 I don't know what it does narratively, but I'm feeling it narratively, 352 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:23,440 which I think is more important, especially when talking about colors. 353 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:28,320 And it's it's it's amazing how much the tone shifts for that Greece piece 354 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:31,920 and then what later on when you get the surprise, when you're like, oh, okay. 355 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:33,800 It all makes sense now. 356 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:36,520 And it's a really nice choice. 357 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:38,920 I think talking about, 358 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:41,920 the lettering again and, and how the design of the comic books go. 359 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:45,000 Dave, where do you pull your influences from? 360 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:47,680 We talked about Clive Owen and stuff like that for, for this book, 361 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:51,240 but where do you pull your from your influences as a letter from. 362 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:55,000 you know, 363 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:59,520 I try to pull from the art, honestly, you know, whatever I think fits the art, 364 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:03,320 you know, doesn't clash with, you know, whatever's going on on the page 365 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:06,080 and everything like that because you know it. 366 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:09,080 This isn't a book that, like, you know, even before Reuben, it was just 367 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:12,080 you crack the whip and said, you know, you letter it this way. 368 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:14,600 There was no way I'm gonna like, letter this. 369 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:16,480 Like it's a marvel comic or something like that. 370 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:18,440 You know what I mean? Like, that's that's not going to flow. 371 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:19,920 That's not going to look right. 372 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:23,000 but I am a very big fan. 373 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:26,120 If it works, especially with, like, the bold colors that he used on 374 00:17:26,120 --> 00:17:30,080 this, of, like, the, outline lists. 375 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:33,080 Balloons, like, just like the clean and the white. 376 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:36,880 and I think it just works really well with something like this. 377 00:17:37,360 --> 00:17:40,560 When you do outline is less versus outline. 378 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:44,080 Is there a message you're trying to convey to the reader of like 379 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:46,320 separate or was it just convenience of color? 380 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:48,600 it's just more 381 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:51,600 like convenience of color because I mean, like, you know, 382 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:54,720 what's interesting is like, there's not a lot of, 383 00:17:56,120 --> 00:17:57,400 I mean, I don't think there's, like, 384 00:17:57,400 --> 00:17:59,240 really a lot of white in the book, is there? 385 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:01,320 Reuben? 386 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:02,160 I don't think so. 387 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:05,400 No, I don't think I've used pure, pure whites. 388 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:06,440 I don't know, I'm not sure. 389 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:07,200 Yeah. 390 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:10,600 Yeah, just just a lot of bold colors and it just really works out because 391 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:12,840 like the only instance, like if there is like white 392 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:16,640 where lettering has to go, then you just do it like a little bit of an off yellow. 393 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:19,640 So it still shows up and you get that same effect. 394 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:20,520 Yeah. 395 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:21,040 Yeah. 396 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:24,720 I'm just going over the colors again, off of the lettering 397 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:28,040 a little bit, just again where it's like these like angular shafts in the shadows, 398 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:31,680 not like it's follows the shadow lines you'd expect, but just a boom. 399 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:33,440 And it's just such a neat idea. 400 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:34,960 It's really beautiful. 401 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:37,560 this is obviously going to be on Kickstarter. 402 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:38,920 And can you guys tell us a little bit 403 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:41,080 about what you guys strategy is for Kickstarter? 404 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:42,120 How are you going to change this campaign 405 00:18:42,120 --> 00:18:43,680 or how this campaign is going to be unique from others? 406 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:46,640 well, 407 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:49,200 the thing we always try to do, and, you know, Frank, have been on here 408 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:50,800 like 11 times now. 409 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:52,920 So, so the thing that we're trying to do with 410 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:54,960 this one is the same thing we do with all of them. 411 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:58,800 We just want to make it as simple as possible. 412 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:01,800 and you know exactly what you're getting. 413 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:02,120 Okay. 414 00:19:02,120 --> 00:19:05,880 And, pretty much like 415 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:09,400 we want to let the book speak for itself, right? 416 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:11,520 you know, of course, there's variant covers, 417 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:13,520 and I'm sure we'll talk about that here in a second. 418 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:16,520 But the other thing that's unique about this campaign, 419 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:18,480 you're not going to believe this. 420 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:20,320 The book's done. 421 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:24,920 So when the campaign's over and, you know, the funds hit 422 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:28,680 and everyone's already filled out their survey, and we know exactly how many 423 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:30,480 you know of each to order, 424 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:32,280 you guys 425 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:35,280 will get it very soon, which is awesome. 426 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:38,000 That is so relieving, because I can't tell you a few times 427 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:40,200 where I get a random comic book in the mail and I'm like, 428 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:43,520 oh, that's right, I forgot to pack this thing a while ago. 429 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:44,720 Yeah, yeah. 430 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:45,600 That's great. 431 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:48,960 okay. And how are the rewards? 432 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:51,760 And we'll talk about the covers in this as well 433 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:53,760 in the theme of this Western supernatural. 434 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:55,400 And you have some beautiful color, 435 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:58,400 covers of this too, that feel very unique and different. 436 00:19:58,440 --> 00:19:59,200 Yeah. Dude. 437 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:02,480 So, obviously we wanted to pick artists that we, we thought 438 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:07,000 would be able to deliver, a good punch and a unique punch, too, 439 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:11,640 because obviously we want the covers, to be able to stand on their own. 440 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:15,720 But with this, again, we wanted this campaign to be nice, clean and simple. 441 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:17,600 so you know, of course 442 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:20,600 we're going to have stretch goals where we will reveal those as we go. 443 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:23,880 But for the day one backers, Dave designed this beautiful, 444 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:26,920 you know, the playing card for it. 445 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:29,280 And that was awesome. 446 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:31,720 The other thing, and Ruben's lending his skills to this. 447 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:35,160 You get to be drawn as an outlaw and have a four by six print of you, 448 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:39,240 and you get to see my stupid face on the, on the Kickstarter campaign 449 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:40,800 that Ruben decided to draw. 450 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:43,320 So, you know, like I said, it's just fun. 451 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:44,480 It's easy. 452 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:48,120 We're not trying to bog it down with so much extra stuff. 453 00:20:49,120 --> 00:20:52,680 we just want this thing just to really celebrate the book. 454 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:54,840 And this is, you know, like I said, 455 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:58,720 I've worked with Ruben before, but it's just been from a cover standpoint 456 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:03,840 and from a singular eight page, one off story that was involved with another book. 457 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:07,640 This is the first time that it's Ruben, myself and Dave. 458 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:11,920 It's all three of us really like coming together, 459 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:15,600 and we're just kind of celebrating what we've accomplished together as 460 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:20,040 a first time creative team all together, doing this because, you know, obviously 461 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:25,400 without Ruben reaching out to me and Dave, and then without me bouncing ideas off 462 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:28,400 Ruben and Dave and without Dave telling us that, 463 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:30,240 you know, Alan, Ruben, you guys are stupid. 464 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:32,640 This isn't going to work. You guys need to change it to this. 465 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:36,320 Like, it's like everyone just kind of had an equal piece of the pie to. 466 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:39,960 And we all want this book to be as as good as it can be. 467 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:42,200 Yes, yes. 468 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:45,040 And it feels very like the teamwork came together. 469 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:46,680 It feels very cohesive and like that. 470 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:50,640 And Ruben on your cover and by the way, all the covers look amazing, but cover art 471 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:53,520 is just beautiful. I mean, that's thank you, thank you worthy. 472 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:56,040 Honestly, with the birds coming up. Amazing. Yeah. 473 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:57,360 Thank you, thank you. Awesome. 474 00:21:57,360 --> 00:21:59,280 Yeah. When Ruben said that to me. 475 00:21:59,280 --> 00:21:59,760 That's crazy. 476 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:01,960 And I like how I feel like that's brilliant. 477 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:02,840 You can. Write. 478 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:04,640 This. 479 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:06,360 I was going to make a joke about it. I was like, 480 00:22:06,360 --> 00:22:09,360 could you without looking at the name, could you tell who covers this? 481 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:12,320 Easy peasy. Yeah. 482 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:13,600 okay. This is amazing. 483 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:16,280 Guys, I really appreciate you guys coming on talking about the Harold. 484 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:19,040 a where do we want to see the Harold going forward? 485 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:21,920 Do we have multiple books planned for this? Ruben. 486 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:23,160 Go for it. 487 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:27,360 Okay, so we do have five chapters in total. 488 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:30,920 So that's pretty much the whole the whole thing. 489 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:36,000 so depending on how well this Kickstarter goes, 490 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:40,080 we will release it by chapters. 491 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:43,800 And then in the end, we will obviously compile everything together, or 492 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:47,960 we will just release everything together so people can read the whole book at once. 493 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:48,360 Yeah. 494 00:22:48,360 --> 00:22:52,880 really depends on how well the Kickstarter this really. 495 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:56,880 I think it's going to go quite well. 496 00:22:57,120 --> 00:22:58,280 For then I'll. See. 497 00:22:58,280 --> 00:22:59,400 That's amazing. 498 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:00,120 Okay, so you guys 499 00:23:00,120 --> 00:23:03,920 want to get in on this adventure with, this team right here, the Herald. 500 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:05,160 It's beautiful. 501 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:06,280 I'm going to make sure to link to everything 502 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:08,360 in the description, including all your guys's socials. 503 00:23:08,360 --> 00:23:11,400 I want you guys to at least go and get in there. 504 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:13,400 I'm going to try to put this out before you guys even publish. 505 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:15,200 So you guys get the notify page 506 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:16,080 and you guys can see 507 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:19,560 these beautiful colors right off the bat and get on board with this as well. 508 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:21,320 Thank you guys so much for joining me today. 509 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:23,080 I really appreciate it. Yeah. 510 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:24,840 Thanks so much for having us like always man. 511 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:28,800 Even though I think you you could you could pick any creators to have on here. 512 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:30,200 But you chose us. 513 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,880 You you damned fool. 514 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:34,800 I've got another interview today and I'm like, 515 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:37,560 I gotta make sure to get Alan and his latest book and adventure in. 516 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,880 Well, we'll be back for, Grandma Chainsaw for the finale. 517 00:23:42,120 --> 00:23:44,520 So that's who knows how that's going end. 518 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:47,320 That story has very much been different than page one. 519 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:48,920 You're like, oh, I'm just going to watch. 520 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,480 I'm just going to read this like ten Chainsaw Massacre rip off or whatever. 521 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:52,760 Like I'm I'm done for this. 522 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:54,760 And you're like, no, that's not what's happening at all. 523 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:57,240 Yeah, yeah. Man, I can't wait for you to see what we've been cooking up. 524 00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:57,960 An issue for, man. 525 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,960 It's, It's nuts. So that's what. 526 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,360 All right, guys, so we'll see you guys next time. 527 00:24:03,360 --> 00:24:05,040 But the. See you. Thank you. Yeah.