1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,333 Have you ever wondered why the U.S. 2 00:00:02,583 --> 00:00:04,208 hasn't really been brought up in the 3 00:00:04,208 --> 00:00:06,041 conversation of deep sea mining? 4 00:00:06,541 --> 00:00:07,958 That's because it's never really been a 5 00:00:07,958 --> 00:00:10,208 topic, probably because they can't really 6 00:00:10,208 --> 00:00:12,833 deep sea mined in international waters 7 00:00:12,833 --> 00:00:14,208 because they are not part of the United 8 00:00:14,291 --> 00:00:16,375 Nations Convention of the Law of the Sea, 9 00:00:16,750 --> 00:00:18,500 which plays a big role in shaping, 10 00:00:19,041 --> 00:00:19,958 you know, the deep sea 11 00:00:19,958 --> 00:00:21,416 mining and the fact that the U.S. 12 00:00:21,416 --> 00:00:24,000 is not part of it has played another deep 13 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:26,583 role, a huge role in the country 14 00:00:26,750 --> 00:00:28,500 and not being able to approach deep sea 15 00:00:28,500 --> 00:00:30,500 mining both legally and politically. 16 00:00:30,875 --> 00:00:33,708 So here is today we're on the podcast. 17 00:00:33,708 --> 00:00:34,083 We're going to be 18 00:00:34,083 --> 00:00:36,208 talking about why the U.S. 19 00:00:36,208 --> 00:00:37,458 hasn't got into it and latest 20 00:00:37,458 --> 00:00:39,250 thing of the metals company, 21 00:00:39,250 --> 00:00:40,291 which is a Canadian company, 22 00:00:40,541 --> 00:00:42,333 trying to work with the U.S. 23 00:00:42,333 --> 00:00:44,333 and Donald Trump to actually start mining 24 00:00:44,333 --> 00:00:46,583 within the deep sea, 25 00:00:47,166 --> 00:00:49,166 within their natural borders, within the 26 00:00:49,166 --> 00:00:51,708 United States exclusive economic zone. 27 00:00:51,708 --> 00:00:52,708 We're going to be talking about that on 28 00:00:52,708 --> 00:00:54,041 today's episode of the How to Protect 29 00:00:55,916 --> 00:01:50,000 the Ocean podcast, a scary topic. The U.S. is not a signatory of the United 30 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:53,000 Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea, 31 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:54,541 which is known as UNCLOSE. 32 00:01:55,375 --> 00:01:56,083 I'm going to call it that 33 00:01:56,083 --> 00:01:56,916 because it's easy to do. 34 00:01:56,916 --> 00:01:58,625 I know it's jargon, but it has a domestic 35 00:01:58,625 --> 00:01:59,875 laws, but also has 36 00:01:59,875 --> 00:02:01,583 domestic laws governing deep sea 37 00:02:01,583 --> 00:02:03,458 money. So the big question here, once it 38 00:02:03,458 --> 00:02:05,416 came out, people are freaking out. 39 00:02:05,833 --> 00:02:07,458 Look, Donald Trump is president. 40 00:02:07,875 --> 00:02:09,083 You never know what's going to happen. 41 00:02:09,708 --> 00:02:12,125 He tends to like extractive processes. 42 00:02:12,125 --> 00:02:13,791 Deep sea mining is an extractive process 43 00:02:13,791 --> 00:02:16,333 that could be a little lucrative in terms 44 00:02:16,333 --> 00:02:17,750 of the money it brings not only to the 45 00:02:17,750 --> 00:02:20,375 companies that work with the countries 46 00:02:20,375 --> 00:02:21,333 that would like this to 47 00:02:21,333 --> 00:02:22,958 happen, but also, you know, 48 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:25,041 the country itself, they want to make 49 00:02:25,041 --> 00:02:26,958 money and they want to be able to use 50 00:02:26,958 --> 00:02:28,416 their natural resources to make money. 51 00:02:28,416 --> 00:02:29,708 So I can't blame them. 52 00:02:29,708 --> 00:02:31,333 Then somebody like Donald Trump, who is 53 00:02:31,333 --> 00:02:33,500 into making money and is not 54 00:02:33,500 --> 00:02:34,750 having a great three months, 55 00:02:34,750 --> 00:02:36,333 depending on how you look at it. 56 00:02:36,333 --> 00:02:38,208 But the lately the stock market has 57 00:02:38,208 --> 00:02:38,916 crashed from his 58 00:02:38,916 --> 00:02:40,916 tariffs, his reciprocal tariffs, 59 00:02:40,916 --> 00:02:43,000 you know, taxing islands that are not 60 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:44,458 inhabited, only inhabited by 61 00:02:44,458 --> 00:02:46,916 seals and penguins and stuff. 62 00:02:46,916 --> 00:02:48,250 And so it's not going great. 63 00:02:48,500 --> 00:02:50,541 Now, this is not going to make him 64 00:02:50,541 --> 00:02:53,250 popular for a lot of people, 65 00:02:53,500 --> 00:02:55,166 which he doesn't care about. 66 00:02:55,625 --> 00:02:57,208 But there are some really interesting 67 00:02:57,208 --> 00:03:00,708 matters at hand of can the US actually 68 00:03:00,708 --> 00:03:02,208 use, you know, the metals 69 00:03:02,208 --> 00:03:05,416 company to be their exploratory 70 00:03:05,458 --> 00:03:07,041 deep sea mining company? 71 00:03:07,500 --> 00:03:09,000 And that's really what it comes down to. 72 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:11,041 There was a great article written by Dr. 73 00:03:11,083 --> 00:03:12,916 Andrew Thaler, who's been on the podcast 74 00:03:12,916 --> 00:03:15,000 a number of times to talk about deep sea 75 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:16,083 mining and the deep sea. 76 00:03:16,375 --> 00:03:17,541 He's a deep sea ecologist. 77 00:03:17,625 --> 00:03:19,458 It's involved in a lot of projects. 78 00:03:19,458 --> 00:03:21,083 The last time we actually had him on, he 79 00:03:21,083 --> 00:03:22,000 was talking about his foray 80 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:25,416 into D and D for forest ecology, 81 00:03:25,416 --> 00:03:28,500 Dungeons and Dragons with no community 82 00:03:28,500 --> 00:03:30,791 members for forest ecology. 83 00:03:31,041 --> 00:03:32,625 So he talks a lot of a lot about things. 84 00:03:32,625 --> 00:03:35,583 But his main focus right now is deep sea 85 00:03:35,583 --> 00:03:37,375 mining and has been over the last his 86 00:03:37,375 --> 00:03:38,291 whole career, really, 87 00:03:38,291 --> 00:03:40,416 because he did his PhD in it. 88 00:03:40,458 --> 00:03:42,708 And it's been the editor of the largest 89 00:03:42,708 --> 00:03:44,833 deep sea mining magazine in the world. 90 00:03:44,833 --> 00:03:46,416 And he just keeps writing on Southern 91 00:03:46,416 --> 00:03:48,166 Fried Science dot com, which was his blog 92 00:03:48,166 --> 00:03:49,208 that he started with a number of 93 00:03:49,208 --> 00:03:50,958 different colleagues back in the day. 94 00:03:50,958 --> 00:03:52,875 And it's just it's an amazing article. 95 00:03:52,875 --> 00:03:54,166 I highly recommend that you take a look 96 00:03:54,166 --> 00:03:55,333 at it because we're going to be talking 97 00:03:55,333 --> 00:03:57,583 about it all day today on this episode 98 00:03:57,583 --> 00:03:59,333 all day during this episode, which 99 00:03:59,333 --> 00:04:00,625 doesn't take all day to record. 100 00:04:00,625 --> 00:04:02,166 I trust you. Trust me. 101 00:04:02,166 --> 00:04:04,125 But we're going to be talking about it. 102 00:04:04,125 --> 00:04:05,166 And so go over to 103 00:04:05,166 --> 00:04:06,416 Southern Fried Science dot com. 104 00:04:06,416 --> 00:04:07,166 Check out the article. 105 00:04:07,166 --> 00:04:08,333 I'll put the link in the show notes. 106 00:04:08,666 --> 00:04:10,958 But he talks about relevant US 107 00:04:10,958 --> 00:04:13,166 legislation that matters when we're 108 00:04:13,166 --> 00:04:15,583 looking at deep sea mining in the US. 109 00:04:15,833 --> 00:04:17,916 So it's really can this 110 00:04:17,916 --> 00:04:19,500 company in particular do this? 111 00:04:19,750 --> 00:04:22,000 They're probably the best place company 112 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:23,708 because they have so much money invested. 113 00:04:24,125 --> 00:04:24,833 They have the technology. 114 00:04:25,041 --> 00:04:26,041 They know the technology. 115 00:04:26,041 --> 00:04:26,541 They've been working 116 00:04:26,541 --> 00:04:27,916 with the ISA for a while. 117 00:04:28,375 --> 00:04:29,666 Now, the reason why they're going to the 118 00:04:29,666 --> 00:04:31,500 US is because the ISA has recently 119 00:04:31,500 --> 00:04:33,000 changed secretary generals. 120 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:37,000 The secretary general now is 121 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:39,458 I'm trying to miss Leticia. 122 00:04:39,708 --> 00:04:41,500 And if I can remember her 123 00:04:41,500 --> 00:04:42,583 last name, I don't know. 124 00:04:42,583 --> 00:04:44,708 I still have the article up here. 125 00:04:46,541 --> 00:04:50,208 Sorry, Miss Leticia race de Cavallo, who 126 00:04:50,208 --> 00:04:52,291 was who was basically elected, started 127 00:04:52,291 --> 00:04:53,458 her secretary general 128 00:04:53,458 --> 00:04:57,000 position on January 1st, 2025. 129 00:04:57,541 --> 00:04:59,375 She is also an oceanographer. 130 00:04:59,875 --> 00:05:00,375 She is the fourth 131 00:05:00,375 --> 00:05:02,416 secretary general of the ISA. 132 00:05:02,750 --> 00:05:05,041 And she was elected in August and it was 133 00:05:05,041 --> 00:05:07,916 a bit of a surprise because the ISA 134 00:05:07,916 --> 00:05:08,875 secretary general that that was there 135 00:05:08,875 --> 00:05:12,375 before he was known to be a little bit 136 00:05:12,375 --> 00:05:14,833 more biased towards the companies. 137 00:05:14,833 --> 00:05:16,125 I don't know if that's true or not, but 138 00:05:16,125 --> 00:05:17,791 some of his policies that came out, some 139 00:05:17,791 --> 00:05:19,000 of his focuses have come out 140 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:20,250 that said, hey, you know what? 141 00:05:20,250 --> 00:05:21,583 Like, yeah, we're gonna we're gonna mine. 142 00:05:21,583 --> 00:05:23,000 Eventually, it's just a matter of doing 143 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:24,583 the regulations and figuring this out. 144 00:05:24,916 --> 00:05:25,875 Well, a lot of other people are like, 145 00:05:25,875 --> 00:05:27,833 let's pause, even killing many countries. 146 00:05:28,333 --> 00:05:29,500 Let's just pause this and let's figure 147 00:05:29,500 --> 00:05:30,166 out whether this is 148 00:05:30,166 --> 00:05:31,458 going to be safe or not. 149 00:05:31,833 --> 00:05:34,125 So the election spark or the election 150 00:05:34,125 --> 00:05:36,375 came up because Miss 151 00:05:36,375 --> 00:05:38,083 Leticia was like, you know what? 152 00:05:38,083 --> 00:05:39,333 I think I can do a better job. 153 00:05:39,333 --> 00:05:40,458 I can be more partial. 154 00:05:40,458 --> 00:05:41,166 I'm an oceanographer. 155 00:05:41,166 --> 00:05:42,916 I understand what's happening in the deep 156 00:05:42,916 --> 00:05:45,041 sea of better understanding than most. 157 00:05:45,041 --> 00:05:47,166 And so she gets elected all of a sudden. 158 00:05:47,416 --> 00:05:48,833 Great for the environment. 159 00:05:49,208 --> 00:05:50,458 At least we have somebody who has a 160 00:05:50,458 --> 00:05:51,500 background in oceanography. 161 00:05:51,500 --> 00:05:53,625 We've been asking for people in these 162 00:05:53,625 --> 00:05:55,416 positions to have that type of background 163 00:05:55,416 --> 00:05:57,000 and not just a business background. 164 00:05:57,291 --> 00:05:58,416 So I say it was like we 165 00:05:58,416 --> 00:05:59,875 need to hold off on the money. 166 00:06:00,041 --> 00:06:01,916 We need to do more research and we need 167 00:06:01,916 --> 00:06:03,291 to discuss this a little bit more. 168 00:06:03,583 --> 00:06:05,041 TMC was like the Meadows Company. 169 00:06:05,250 --> 00:06:06,791 The Canadian company was like, no, no, I 170 00:06:06,791 --> 00:06:07,500 don't want to do that. 171 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:09,208 I want to I want to mine. 172 00:06:09,208 --> 00:06:09,833 I'm sick of this. 173 00:06:09,833 --> 00:06:11,250 And I know I'm not going to get the 174 00:06:11,250 --> 00:06:13,208 answers that I need in 175 00:06:13,208 --> 00:06:15,708 this like in this forum. 176 00:06:15,708 --> 00:06:20,458 So I'm going to go to a democracy country 177 00:06:20,458 --> 00:06:22,750 that has a new president who's very into 178 00:06:22,750 --> 00:06:24,958 extractive processes. 179 00:06:25,166 --> 00:06:26,666 And I'm going to go ahead and talk to 180 00:06:26,666 --> 00:06:27,708 Donald Trump and say, hey, Donald. 181 00:06:28,166 --> 00:06:28,916 Hey, Mr. President. 182 00:06:29,250 --> 00:06:31,416 Let's how about we start extracting 183 00:06:31,416 --> 00:06:34,666 polymetallic nodules off this off the sea 184 00:06:34,666 --> 00:06:37,583 floor in jurisdiction like in a 185 00:06:37,583 --> 00:06:40,041 jurisdiction for the U.S. 186 00:06:40,041 --> 00:06:43,208 And so apparently, according to studies 187 00:06:43,208 --> 00:06:45,250 or according to reports, the 188 00:06:45,250 --> 00:06:47,000 administration surprise surprise is 189 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:48,666 interested in that kind of stuff. 190 00:06:48,666 --> 00:06:50,375 And so we're going to discuss some of the 191 00:06:50,375 --> 00:06:52,166 relevant legislation, U.S. legislation 192 00:06:52,166 --> 00:06:55,166 that matters in this in this situation. 193 00:06:55,458 --> 00:06:57,791 So the first thing I identified by Dr. 194 00:06:57,791 --> 00:06:59,833 Andrew Taylor was the Deep Sea Hard 195 00:06:59,833 --> 00:07:01,833 Mineral Resources Act, which regulates 196 00:07:01,833 --> 00:07:03,416 exploit exploration, 197 00:07:03,416 --> 00:07:05,541 exploitation of deep sea minerals. 198 00:07:05,541 --> 00:07:07,375 The other one is the outer criminal 199 00:07:07,375 --> 00:07:08,333 criminal outer 200 00:07:08,333 --> 00:07:10,666 continental shelf Lands Act. 201 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:13,333 It extends U.S. laws to the seabed and 202 00:07:13,333 --> 00:07:16,041 subsoil of the outer continental shelf. 203 00:07:16,041 --> 00:07:17,541 And then there's the Jones Act, which is 204 00:07:17,541 --> 00:07:19,666 also known as the Marine as the Merchant 205 00:07:19,666 --> 00:07:22,166 Marine Act of 1920, which mandates the 206 00:07:22,166 --> 00:07:23,791 cargo transporter between U.S. 207 00:07:23,875 --> 00:07:26,916 points must be on vessels built owned and 208 00:07:26,916 --> 00:07:28,666 operated by U.S. citizens. 209 00:07:29,833 --> 00:07:33,125 So here is the thing for the compliance 210 00:07:33,125 --> 00:07:34,958 to meet for the TMC 211 00:07:34,958 --> 00:07:36,125 to meet the compliance. 212 00:07:37,375 --> 00:07:39,041 It really comes down to the Jones Act, 213 00:07:40,125 --> 00:07:41,958 the hidden gem, which is a vessel owned 214 00:07:41,958 --> 00:07:43,708 by all seas, which is a 215 00:07:43,708 --> 00:07:46,500 Dutch company works for TMC. 216 00:07:47,375 --> 00:07:52,291 The MV Coco, which is owned by Magellan 217 00:07:52,291 --> 00:07:55,791 based in Guernsey, which I believe is 218 00:07:55,791 --> 00:07:57,166 foreign, I think it's in 219 00:07:57,166 --> 00:08:00,708 France, they are not U.S. owned. 220 00:08:01,458 --> 00:08:03,250 Neither vessel complies with the Jones 221 00:08:03,250 --> 00:08:05,000 Act requirements, posing a significant 222 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:06,875 operational challenge for TMC. 223 00:08:06,916 --> 00:08:09,125 So essentially what happens is for this 224 00:08:09,125 --> 00:08:10,500 to be in compliance with the Jones Act, 225 00:08:10,791 --> 00:08:13,041 the ship that's carrying the cargo from 226 00:08:13,041 --> 00:08:14,750 point where they extract it. 227 00:08:14,750 --> 00:08:16,208 So point A to point B back to 228 00:08:16,208 --> 00:08:18,708 a U.S. port has to be American. 229 00:08:19,500 --> 00:08:21,125 Right now, the TMC does not have an 230 00:08:21,125 --> 00:08:23,041 American ship. Does that mean they can't 231 00:08:23,041 --> 00:08:23,875 get an American ship? 232 00:08:23,875 --> 00:08:25,250 I'm sure they can find it. I'm sure they 233 00:08:25,250 --> 00:08:27,500 can figure it out. But at this point, 234 00:08:27,500 --> 00:08:29,750 they may not be able to use that. 235 00:08:30,250 --> 00:08:32,166 The other thing too is because the Outer 236 00:08:32,166 --> 00:08:34,125 Continental Shelf Lands Act extends 237 00:08:34,125 --> 00:08:37,625 jurisdiction to certain seabeds, certain 238 00:08:37,625 --> 00:08:40,250 seabed areas potentially like outside of 239 00:08:40,250 --> 00:08:41,166 the U.S. jurisdiction. 240 00:08:42,166 --> 00:08:44,916 This classifies TMC's mining sites as 241 00:08:44,916 --> 00:08:46,000 U.S. points once 242 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:46,833 operations are commenced. 243 00:08:47,208 --> 00:08:49,250 So essentially the loophole of saying, 244 00:08:49,250 --> 00:08:50,416 hey, you know what, even though this is 245 00:08:50,416 --> 00:08:50,833 beyond your 246 00:08:50,833 --> 00:08:53,250 jurisdiction, this is our land. 247 00:08:53,291 --> 00:08:55,041 So going into like the Gulf of Mexico and 248 00:08:55,041 --> 00:08:56,083 certain places in Mexico 249 00:08:56,083 --> 00:08:57,666 are actually available. 250 00:08:58,166 --> 00:09:00,625 Well, not so because it's still be 251 00:09:00,625 --> 00:09:01,750 considered American jurisdiction 252 00:09:01,750 --> 00:09:02,708 according to the Outer 253 00:09:02,708 --> 00:09:03,958 Continental Shelf Lands Act. 254 00:09:04,375 --> 00:09:06,250 So that means they still have to the 255 00:09:06,250 --> 00:09:07,416 Jones Act still applies. 256 00:09:07,416 --> 00:09:08,208 They still have to use 257 00:09:08,208 --> 00:09:10,000 American vessels again. 258 00:09:10,333 --> 00:09:11,458 Can they get American vessels? 259 00:09:11,458 --> 00:09:12,250 I'm sure they can find 260 00:09:12,250 --> 00:09:13,791 something they don't. 261 00:09:13,791 --> 00:09:15,083 They're not. I don't know what their 262 00:09:15,083 --> 00:09:15,958 contracts are like with 263 00:09:15,958 --> 00:09:16,708 the other two vessels. 264 00:09:16,916 --> 00:09:18,583 But, you know, I'm sure they can figure 265 00:09:18,583 --> 00:09:20,333 it out if they really, really want to, if 266 00:09:20,333 --> 00:09:20,916 they're motivated, 267 00:09:20,916 --> 00:09:22,375 which seems like they are. 268 00:09:22,458 --> 00:09:25,708 So it's it's pretty interesting. 269 00:09:26,708 --> 00:09:27,750 The U.S. Mexico Western 270 00:09:27,750 --> 00:09:31,083 Gap Treaty extended over U.S. 271 00:09:31,083 --> 00:09:34,375 jurisdiction over a specific high seas 272 00:09:34,375 --> 00:09:36,041 areas, indicating that U.S. can assert 273 00:09:36,041 --> 00:09:37,541 jurisdiction over seabed resources, 274 00:09:37,541 --> 00:09:40,500 resources beyond their jurisdiction in 275 00:09:40,500 --> 00:09:41,583 the exclusive economic zone. 276 00:09:41,833 --> 00:09:43,625 So that's something of interest. 277 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:45,500 And if the U.S. claims jurisdiction over 278 00:09:45,500 --> 00:09:47,583 high seas resources, the Jones Act does 279 00:09:47,583 --> 00:09:48,833 apply, as I mentioned before. 280 00:09:49,375 --> 00:09:51,166 So to comply with the Jones Act, TMC 281 00:09:51,166 --> 00:09:52,791 would have to use vessels that meet the 282 00:09:52,791 --> 00:09:53,666 stringent requirements, 283 00:09:54,416 --> 00:09:55,916 which the current fleet does not. 284 00:09:56,333 --> 00:09:57,833 And this regulatory hurdle could 285 00:09:57,833 --> 00:09:59,791 complicate TMC strategies to operate 286 00:09:59,791 --> 00:10:01,958 under U.S. jurisdiction and may require 287 00:10:01,958 --> 00:10:02,875 significant adjustments 288 00:10:02,875 --> 00:10:04,333 to their operational plans. 289 00:10:04,333 --> 00:10:05,791 And to be honest, if the U.S. gets the 290 00:10:05,791 --> 00:10:08,500 idea of starting to, you know, mine for 291 00:10:08,500 --> 00:10:12,166 these polymetallic nodules, what's in it 292 00:10:12,166 --> 00:10:13,333 for them to say, hey, we're 293 00:10:13,333 --> 00:10:14,416 going to hire a Canadian company? 294 00:10:14,750 --> 00:10:15,791 Look, let's be honest, they're not. 295 00:10:16,083 --> 00:10:16,708 Canada is not in favor 296 00:10:16,708 --> 00:10:17,791 with the U.S. right now. 297 00:10:17,833 --> 00:10:21,416 Also, they they want it for themselves. 298 00:10:21,416 --> 00:10:22,416 There's nothing stopping them from 299 00:10:22,416 --> 00:10:23,250 saying, hey, you know what? 300 00:10:23,250 --> 00:10:24,708 We're actually just going to get a 301 00:10:24,708 --> 00:10:26,291 company ourselves or do it by government 302 00:10:26,291 --> 00:10:27,666 and we'll figure it ourselves and we'll 303 00:10:27,666 --> 00:10:30,291 take the time and we'll get the relevant 304 00:10:30,291 --> 00:10:33,583 information, the relevant technology, the 305 00:10:33,583 --> 00:10:35,458 relevant ships and we'll do it our way. 306 00:10:35,833 --> 00:10:36,583 You know, mind you, they 307 00:10:36,583 --> 00:10:37,708 could also change their laws. 308 00:10:37,708 --> 00:10:41,500 So there's a bit of a bit of a scary 309 00:10:41,500 --> 00:10:43,333 thing going on here is really what it 310 00:10:43,333 --> 00:10:45,166 comes down to is like, is the U.S. really 311 00:10:45,166 --> 00:10:46,041 going to take this seriously? 312 00:10:46,083 --> 00:10:47,375 I haven't heard anything else in the news 313 00:10:47,375 --> 00:10:49,208 since this has happened, but this was 314 00:10:49,208 --> 00:10:50,708 very worrisome a week ago 315 00:10:50,708 --> 00:10:51,958 when this first came out. 316 00:10:52,666 --> 00:10:53,375 And I'm glad Andrew 317 00:10:53,375 --> 00:10:54,666 started talking about it. 318 00:10:54,666 --> 00:10:55,541 I'm also glad that Chris 319 00:10:55,541 --> 00:10:57,416 Corbero started talking about it. 320 00:10:58,000 --> 00:10:59,583 She is on TikTok and she 321 00:10:59,583 --> 00:11:00,833 has a great post on it. 322 00:11:00,833 --> 00:11:03,291 I'll link to it in the show notes on, you 323 00:11:03,291 --> 00:11:04,166 know, how you can act 324 00:11:04,166 --> 00:11:05,125 and what you can do. 325 00:11:05,458 --> 00:11:07,041 But I think it's it's super important to 326 00:11:07,041 --> 00:11:08,791 be able to talk about this and to be able 327 00:11:08,791 --> 00:11:09,708 to say, hey, you know what? 328 00:11:10,208 --> 00:11:11,041 This is something that 329 00:11:11,041 --> 00:11:12,708 we need to talk about. 330 00:11:12,750 --> 00:11:14,875 This is something that we need to assess 331 00:11:14,875 --> 00:11:17,625 whether it is a threat or not. 332 00:11:17,958 --> 00:11:19,750 This is something that we can't just let 333 00:11:19,750 --> 00:11:21,583 it go by, you know, because there's been 334 00:11:21,583 --> 00:11:22,375 a lot of work that's 335 00:11:22,375 --> 00:11:24,208 been pushed onto the I.S.A. 336 00:11:24,375 --> 00:11:26,500 in terms of non-government organizations, 337 00:11:26,791 --> 00:11:28,583 scientists, governments who have been 338 00:11:28,583 --> 00:11:30,000 put, who have been put a lot of research, 339 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:31,875 a lot of money and a lot of time and to 340 00:11:31,875 --> 00:11:33,333 make sure that we do this properly. 341 00:11:34,250 --> 00:11:36,208 And although some have been rushed into 342 00:11:36,208 --> 00:11:38,500 it and others have not, it seems to have 343 00:11:38,500 --> 00:11:41,250 been pretty much gone in a way that we, 344 00:11:41,250 --> 00:11:42,416 as Andrew says, we have this 345 00:11:42,541 --> 00:11:45,291 wonderful opportunity to do this right. 346 00:11:45,291 --> 00:11:48,250 If we are going to extract minerals, we 347 00:11:48,250 --> 00:11:49,875 can do the studies to make sure that 348 00:11:49,875 --> 00:11:52,250 nothing happens or to do it in a way that 349 00:11:52,250 --> 00:11:54,041 we have the least amount of impact on it. 350 00:11:54,250 --> 00:11:55,333 Am I for deep sea mining? 351 00:11:55,583 --> 00:11:56,375 Absolutely not. 352 00:11:56,666 --> 00:11:57,333 Do I think it's going 353 00:11:57,333 --> 00:11:58,416 to happen in my lifetime? 354 00:11:58,791 --> 00:11:59,041 Probably. 355 00:11:59,833 --> 00:12:00,541 Is it going to affect 356 00:12:00,541 --> 00:12:03,500 the the the EV community? 357 00:12:03,708 --> 00:12:04,958 Because that's why people want a deep sea 358 00:12:04,958 --> 00:12:07,583 minus for electric vehicles to have the 359 00:12:07,583 --> 00:12:09,458 metals to make the batteries, which are 360 00:12:09,458 --> 00:12:12,041 currently mined in many places. 361 00:12:12,208 --> 00:12:15,000 But mostly in the Republic of Congo, 362 00:12:15,333 --> 00:12:16,416 which there are a lot of human rights 363 00:12:16,416 --> 00:12:17,291 violations that are 364 00:12:17,291 --> 00:12:18,708 associated with that project. 365 00:12:19,291 --> 00:12:21,333 And so being able to have it where human 366 00:12:21,333 --> 00:12:23,208 rights are not affected and be able to 367 00:12:23,208 --> 00:12:24,958 have it where you can just extract it as 368 00:12:24,958 --> 00:12:28,000 you please, that would be helpful if this 369 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:29,208 extraction is going to happen. 370 00:12:29,208 --> 00:12:32,666 Now, with the the developments, the huge 371 00:12:32,666 --> 00:12:34,250 developments and advancements in the 372 00:12:34,250 --> 00:12:36,500 technology to create batteries where the 373 00:12:36,500 --> 00:12:38,750 metals are used for electric vehicles, 374 00:12:39,791 --> 00:12:40,500 some of them are using 375 00:12:40,500 --> 00:12:41,500 these metals anymore. 376 00:12:42,208 --> 00:12:44,000 And they're they're much more sustainable 377 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:48,375 in the way we dispose of them and the way 378 00:12:48,375 --> 00:12:49,583 we use them, the way we build them. 379 00:12:49,583 --> 00:12:51,875 So the development is getting fast. 380 00:12:51,875 --> 00:12:52,541 The technology is 381 00:12:52,541 --> 00:12:54,000 increasing at a rapid rate. 382 00:12:54,500 --> 00:12:55,958 Do we need this in the long run? 383 00:12:55,958 --> 00:12:56,708 Hopefully not. 384 00:12:56,708 --> 00:12:58,000 Is this going to happen in my lifetime? 385 00:12:58,000 --> 00:12:59,041 I do think so, but 386 00:12:59,041 --> 00:13:00,000 I'm not happy about it. 387 00:13:00,291 --> 00:13:00,791 But if we're going to 388 00:13:00,791 --> 00:13:01,791 do it, let's do it right. 389 00:13:01,791 --> 00:13:03,916 And let's make sure that we are on the 390 00:13:03,916 --> 00:13:05,791 proactive side instead of the reactive 391 00:13:05,791 --> 00:13:07,625 side, which we're usually on the end of 392 00:13:07,625 --> 00:13:10,291 the reactive side when we're extracting 393 00:13:10,291 --> 00:13:11,583 marine resources or any type of thing. 394 00:13:11,625 --> 00:13:12,166 So, you know, if you want to do it, you can do it and you can do it. 395 00:13:12,166 --> 00:13:12,833 But I do want to make sure that we're doing it. I mean, I think it's a pretty good idea to do it, but I really like how you build on it. So, you know, I'm going to do a little bit of a quick demo, which is a little bit of a quick demo because it's going to be a really nice video about how we're going to create these different types of resources around the sea 396 00:13:12,833 --> 00:13:14,625 or around nature in general. 397 00:13:14,625 --> 00:13:17,208 So this is what we're talking about today 398 00:13:17,208 --> 00:13:17,958 and I'd love to hear 399 00:13:17,958 --> 00:13:19,041 your opinion on that. 400 00:13:19,041 --> 00:13:20,541 Hit me up on Instagram at 401 00:13:20,541 --> 00:13:21,750 how to protect the ocean. 402 00:13:22,333 --> 00:13:24,291 I've got a different episode of the on 403 00:13:24,291 --> 00:13:25,166 YouTube if you want to 404 00:13:25,166 --> 00:13:26,291 check that out as well. 405 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:28,458 There's not a lot of resources. 406 00:13:28,666 --> 00:13:29,666 I just said it in a different 407 00:13:29,666 --> 00:13:30,958 way because I'm doing it more. 408 00:13:30,958 --> 00:13:31,916 It's going to be a little shorter. 409 00:13:38,625 --> 00:13:39,500 But I want to create 410 00:13:39,500 --> 00:13:41,791 something different for the audio. 411 00:13:41,791 --> 00:13:43,125 Just a little bit more raw, a little bit 412 00:13:43,125 --> 00:13:44,333 more old school for me 413 00:13:44,333 --> 00:13:45,500 in terms of the way I do 414 00:13:45,500 --> 00:13:45,708 it. 415 00:13:46,041 --> 00:13:47,500 It kind of excites me a little bit. 416 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:48,708 YouTube's great. 417 00:13:48,708 --> 00:13:50,041 I love doing the video, but it's going to 418 00:13:50,041 --> 00:13:51,458 be done a little differently. 419 00:13:51,708 --> 00:13:52,458 So we're going to do 420 00:13:52,458 --> 00:13:53,208 it in different ways. 421 00:13:53,208 --> 00:13:55,291 So you can listen to it on video or on 422 00:13:55,291 --> 00:13:57,125 your way to work through 423 00:13:57,125 --> 00:13:59,041 audio or on your dog walks 424 00:13:59,041 --> 00:14:00,583 or in your nature walks or however you 425 00:14:00,583 --> 00:14:00,958 want to do it 426 00:14:00,958 --> 00:14:02,333 exercising, however you want to 427 00:14:02,333 --> 00:14:02,625 do it. 428 00:14:02,916 --> 00:14:04,041 Just listen to me, please. 429 00:14:04,250 --> 00:14:04,708 I'm just kidding. 430 00:14:05,458 --> 00:14:06,916 I love that you listen to me and I love 431 00:14:06,916 --> 00:14:07,916 the feedback even more. 432 00:14:08,333 --> 00:14:10,500 So hit me up on Instagram at how to 433 00:14:10,500 --> 00:14:12,458 protect the ocean or hit me up on the 434 00:14:12,458 --> 00:14:14,666 website speakupforblue.com. 435 00:14:14,666 --> 00:14:16,916 That's speakupforblue.com. 436 00:14:17,333 --> 00:14:17,958 Check it out. 437 00:14:17,958 --> 00:14:19,916 There's you can leave me a voice memo. 438 00:14:19,916 --> 00:14:21,375 You can go to our contact page and you 439 00:14:21,375 --> 00:14:22,500 can just write me an email. 440 00:14:23,500 --> 00:14:24,291 I answer that personally. 441 00:14:24,333 --> 00:14:25,958 I'd love to hear your 442 00:14:25,958 --> 00:14:27,083 thoughts on all of this. 443 00:14:27,083 --> 00:14:28,333 So thank you so much for joining me on 444 00:14:28,333 --> 00:14:29,458 today's episode of the How 445 00:14:29,458 --> 00:14:30,333 to Protect the Ocean podcast. 446 00:14:30,625 --> 00:14:32,333 I'm your host, Andrew Lewin from the True 447 00:14:32,333 --> 00:14:33,250 North strong and free. 448 00:14:33,708 --> 00:14:34,250 Have a great day. 449 00:14:34,250 --> 00:14:34,791 We'll talk to you next 450 00:14:34,791 --> 00:14:36,291 time and happy conservation.