1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:01,440 Guess what? 2 00:00:01,440 --> 00:00:04,320 Today. This day after Christmas. 3 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:06,200 Roy is now the official co-host. 4 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:07,560 He's always been the. 5 00:00:07,560 --> 00:00:09,840 Official official co-host and I like. 6 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:11,440 To say it one more time, but I won't. 7 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:13,200 And in deference to that comment. 8 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:15,400 But anyway, 9 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:17,480 my plan came to fruition. 10 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:20,160 So, Roy, welcome to the show. 11 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:22,920 Officially as the co-host. 12 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:25,040 So, guys, say a few words. 13 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:28,040 That means I get a raise, 14 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:43,560 Hi there, and welcome 15 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:48,240 to this episode of the Guns Podcast, U.S., brought to you by guns magazine. 16 00:00:48,480 --> 00:00:51,720 I'm your host, Brant Wheat, and there's another guy 17 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:54,920 here that I'm going to, talk about in just a second. 18 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:56,280 But anyway, thanks for joining us here 19 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:59,280 on one of the world's biggest gun talk programs. 20 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:03,080 As we discuss the interesting stuff that makes up the world of shooting. 21 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:06,280 Well, that guy in the other side of the frame is Roy Huntington. 22 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:10,080 And first off, Hattie Roy, on this day After Christmas, I. 23 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:12,760 You know, we lived through another one. 24 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:16,560 We did, except you sent me a comment 25 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:19,760 and I'm going to read it on the air. 26 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:21,720 So here we go. 27 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:24,280 Okay. And, it is. 28 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:25,600 I won't say who said it, but. 29 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:28,040 Brant, thanks for another enjoyable episode. 30 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:30,640 I've been listening since the first show, and you and Roy 31 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:32,040 have become like old friends. 32 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:35,880 I don't express my gratitude enough and let you know how much I've enjoyed 33 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:37,440 all 314 shows. 34 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:39,840 Well, thank you very much. 35 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:40,800 I do appreciate that. 36 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:42,960 It's pretty amazing to hear that. 37 00:01:42,960 --> 00:01:46,120 I find myself agreeing with you 99% of the time 38 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:49,960 because, which is probably because I, too, am an old Fudd. 39 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:51,120 Good for you. 40 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:53,040 Let's all be lethal. Fudge together. 41 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:57,240 One thing I will beg of you, though. 42 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:00,600 Please, please, please 43 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:03,600 stop referring to Roy as the official, unofficial. 44 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:05,120 Official. Unofficial. Official. 45 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:07,080 Unofficial co-host. 46 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:11,080 It drew a chuckle the first ten times you said it, but now it has become 47 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:15,960 very annoying and shows a complete lack of imagination and awareness on your part. 48 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:18,600 Well. Okay. 49 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:19,560 I wish, I. 50 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:22,240 Wish he would have told us exactly how he felt, though. 51 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:23,760 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 52 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:26,520 I suspect Roy is tired of hearing it, too, but. 53 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:28,360 But it is. 54 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:30,480 But he's too much of a gentleman to tell you. 55 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:31,960 Other than that, keep up the good work. 56 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:33,600 I'm missing the print magazine. 57 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:36,880 Well, Yes, I I'll go in reverse order. 58 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:39,880 I missed the print magazine, too. We all do. 59 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:43,160 And as far as Roy being a gentleman, we know that. 60 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:46,200 But I will tell you, it wasn't a lack of awareness on my part. 61 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:50,280 It was a hope that it would become so annoying when I said that. 62 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:54,120 That the audience would rise up and tell Roy 63 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:56,720 that he needs to become the official co-host. And 64 00:02:57,720 --> 00:02:58,440 guess what? 65 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:01,320 Today it happened. Day after Christmas. 66 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:03,240 Roy is now the official co-host. 67 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:04,360 He's always been the. 68 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:06,560 Unofficial co-host, and. 69 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:08,440 I like to say it one more time, but I won't. 70 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:10,200 And in deference to that comment. 71 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:12,400 But anyway, 72 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:14,480 my plan came to fruition. 73 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:17,160 So, Roy, welcome to the show. 74 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:21,360 Officially as the co-host of the Guns podcast. 75 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:23,400 You asked, presented by guns magazine. 76 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:25,480 So, guys, say a few words. 77 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:28,800 That means I get a raise, Break from nothing. 78 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:31,680 How much is boy? 79 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:33,440 No. That's cool. 80 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:35,520 I feel certified now. 81 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:38,520 You know. Certifiable. Certifiable? Yeah. 82 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:40,320 I mean, it is, you know, we're like, 83 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:44,160 you know, Yang Yin yang and whatever all, you know, twit. 84 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:46,160 And, I mean. 85 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:47,760 It's always us, you know? 86 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:49,760 So, yeah, we might as well. 87 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:52,760 Well, I and truly not to, 88 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:55,800 belabor this point too much before we get into our topic, but, 89 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:59,280 you know, Roy's Roy's living the dream, and Roy doesn't 90 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:02,640 want any more irons in the fire, and I, I he's here 91 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:06,280 almost every single week, but I think he just didn't want to add that, 92 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:11,120 because I know Roy and he'll feel bad if he's not on the next episode. 93 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:12,280 And he didn't want that. 94 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:13,600 Am I correct? 95 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:14,680 Hey. Yeah. 96 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:17,680 Yeah, because I said I'd help. 97 00:04:17,840 --> 00:04:18,760 Yeah. 98 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:19,160 Are you. 99 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:21,760 You know, you're fully part of this. 100 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:23,840 You're driving the steam train with me. 101 00:04:23,840 --> 00:04:26,480 So if I crash, you crash and vice versa. 102 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:28,760 And I enjoy it, though I really do. 103 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:32,560 You know, it's like I, I always watch the comments, and, 104 00:04:32,840 --> 00:04:33,520 I mean, I'm 105 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:36,560 the one that sent you that last one about a quick call out of your. Yes. 106 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:38,680 You know, I laughed out loud. 107 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:40,200 That was so funny. 108 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:42,640 But I just I'm always it's 109 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:45,640 always so nice to hear from people who, 110 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:48,960 if we knew them better, they they would be friends. 111 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:49,520 Yeah. 112 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:51,160 You know, definitely as simple as that. 113 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:53,520 And so I kind of consider them friends. 114 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:57,840 And so I like this because this is a way to sort of stay in contact with them. 115 00:04:57,840 --> 00:04:59,040 So. Yep. 116 00:04:59,040 --> 00:04:59,400 There you go. 117 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:00,680 There you go. Harrumph. 118 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:03,160 I didn't get a run from that guy. So. 119 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:06,360 Well, on this, day after Christmas, we're going to have, 120 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:07,920 I think, what's going to be a fun discussion. 121 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:10,920 I came up with this topic and I was just kind of casting around, 122 00:05:11,280 --> 00:05:15,360 and I found somebody asking this on the internet, and I thought, 123 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:17,040 and then I got to take it. 124 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:22,320 Now that's that's actually something that Roy and I ought to discuss and discuss. 125 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:26,240 And that would be, are we better shooters today than we used to be? 126 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:28,560 And, I'll be interested to hear, 127 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:31,400 because, Roy, you've been shooting longer than I have. 128 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:34,360 But I've been shooting a while, too, and I'm also very much 129 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:38,760 a student of history, so might might be interesting. 130 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:41,040 And this is definitely one that will be interested in hearing 131 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:44,760 what you have to say about it, especially you lethal thugs 132 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:47,880 who are our age and older, that have been around 133 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:51,720 and and been there, done that, seen it, and formed a few opinions. 134 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:55,520 So anyway, I came up with the topic. 135 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:56,960 I've got my opinions. 136 00:05:56,960 --> 00:06:01,800 But, Roy, you're the elder statesman here and our our newly minted co-host. 137 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:05,040 So I'll let you get started out of the gate. 138 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:08,880 Well, I'm, you know, as usual, but I didn't know about this 139 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:11,880 until literally one minute before we went on air. 140 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:13,400 Right. So. 141 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:18,760 But I like that, though, because it lets you sort of, what's a good word? 142 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:22,320 A speak from the heart, you know, I mean, because I haven't done 143 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:25,520 any research, I haven't given it any thought beforehand, but. 144 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:31,520 And so, so I'm kind of digging in to see what's my opinion on that. 145 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:36,600 And, you know, and I think you and I are in a very interesting situation 146 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:41,040 because for the last, you know, 30 to 40 years, 147 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:44,400 depending on us, we've been in the firearms industry. 148 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:48,440 And that's meant, you know, interacting closely with readers, 149 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:52,520 with manufacturers, with guides, with, I mean, you name it, 150 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:57,160 you know, trainers, competition shooters just across the board. 151 00:06:57,480 --> 00:06:59,520 You know, we've been on countless hunts. 152 00:07:00,840 --> 00:07:01,800 A lot of those hunts 153 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:04,800 had sort of just regular people in the camps with us, 154 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:07,920 you know, who booked a hunt at the same time we were there. 155 00:07:08,280 --> 00:07:11,720 And so we actually, I think, have a baseline that we can 156 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:17,080 sort of look at, you know, and we're after thinking about it, 157 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:21,320 I, I actually didn't take me too long to, to decide that. Yes. 158 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:26,280 I think overall, people are better shooters today than it was. 159 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:32,280 I think today, the average hunter, you know, sort of the average 160 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:37,040 concealed carry person, you know, even the average weekend competitor, 161 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:41,240 you know, at your local range, I think they're better shooters. 162 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:46,560 Because I remember growing up and we spoke about this briefly, is that, 163 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:50,840 I mean, the average deer hunter with a bolt action, 36 164 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:55,040 hunting rifle pretty much shot his rifle once or twice a year. 165 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:56,640 I mean, you 166 00:07:56,640 --> 00:08:00,000 know, I mean, because when I remember when I started shooting 167 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:05,280 serious rifles, know, I was 16, 17, 18, I used to tell people, 168 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:08,600 you oh, you a deer hunting, you know, you are you going to be zeroing your rifle? 169 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:10,880 And they would look at you like you were from Mars. 170 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:11,480 Yeah. Yeah. 171 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:14,480 Well, I mean, I didn't do anything, work fine last year. 172 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:17,600 Then you get the guy that says he, he holds up a box 173 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:20,600 of 20 rounds of 30, 30 174 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:24,080 and it's got seven left in it, you know, 175 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:28,120 and he says all the other ones are deer that I got. 176 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:29,760 Yep. You know, and 177 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:33,840 and there are no other empties like where he was shooting, practicing or anything. 178 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:35,280 Yeah. Yeah. 179 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:37,880 Of course the other side of that coin is if they do get a deer 180 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:40,960 every year, well then maybe they don't need to practice any more than that. 181 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:43,800 Yeah. You know, because that's like shooters versus hunters, right? 182 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:44,440 Yeah. 183 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:47,000 Hunters don't really often care what gun they have. 184 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:50,440 They just need a gun so they can get a deer. 185 00:08:50,560 --> 00:08:50,920 Right. 186 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:53,920 But the shooters like to shoot. 187 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:55,000 Yeah. 188 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:55,920 Well you know. Yeah. 189 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:57,720 You tease out a couple of 190 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:00,720 interesting points and I want to try and remember to go back to them. 191 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:05,440 What I was going to say is I think the difference might be 192 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:07,440 because I, I completely agree with you. 193 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:10,880 Overall, shooters are better skilled today 194 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:14,040 and there's many reasons for that, I think. 195 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:18,240 But I think one of them is there's fewer casual shooters. 196 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:20,640 And I think that's the guy you identified, Roy, 197 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:23,040 because I knew a lot of them growing up too. Same thing. 198 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:26,680 And I was going to make that very point that, well, I've had this box of shells 199 00:09:26,680 --> 00:09:28,200 for 15 years and, 200 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:31,200 you know, there's only three left, but every one of them is a deer. 201 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:34,600 And so it's the, the yin and the yang of, well, 202 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:38,520 they got their deer every year, but they haven't been out practicing either. 203 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:40,480 So, you know, the. The 204 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:43,720 what is it the, the. 205 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:47,960 Memory, the collective memory is that we were a nation of rifle men. 206 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:50,760 And every farm kid could shoot you know, 207 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:54,240 those squirrels at 200 yards with his, flintlock. 208 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:56,640 And and it wasn't really that way. 209 00:09:56,640 --> 00:10:00,120 At least when I was growing up, there were guys that were really good shooters. 210 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:05,240 But I would say the level of practice among the masses, 211 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:07,440 wasn't what it was today. 212 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:11,400 And I would say, well, it's obvious there's there's fewer shooters 213 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:14,400 practicing today or, actually 214 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:17,400 going out and shooting than there were. 215 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:21,000 So maybe the folks that were just, 216 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:24,160 say casual shooters, 217 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:28,280 they kind of gave it up or and that didn't really replenish itself. 218 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:30,000 So does that make sense? 219 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:32,600 Well, I think you you brought up a good point, which is it's 220 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:35,640 it's more difficult to be a shooter today generally. 221 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:38,760 You know, I mean, guns are more expensive, animals more expensive. 222 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:40,920 There are less places to go shooting. 223 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:43,880 The laws are more, you know, comprehensive. 224 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:47,400 And you have to be pretty motivated to do it, you know, 225 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:50,280 I mean, I look back in the 226 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:53,960 middle to late 60s, and when I started going to Public Ranges, 227 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:58,920 I, I used to see people 228 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:02,760 who were citing in their deer rifles, you know, at 100 yards. 229 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:07,400 And basically, if they were shooting a ten inch group, they were happy. 230 00:11:07,680 --> 00:11:08,240 Yeah. 231 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:12,480 You know, and and I can't say that they were wrong because that certainly 232 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:15,800 one minute a deer, you know, at 100 yards. 233 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:19,680 And I mean, I remember there were, at this one range 234 00:11:19,680 --> 00:11:20,200 and they would, 235 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:23,160 you know, 3 or 4 guys would show up and they'd get out their bolt action 236 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:27,120 hunting rifles and wanted plopped out and shoot around at 100 yards 237 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:31,640 and kind of hit somewhere on the target, you know, and say, okay, 238 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:33,480 I guess I'm ready to go. Right? 239 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:37,000 You know, clear the guy, next guy come up and do it, too. 240 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:40,800 But I think that it's the shooters. 241 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:42,600 There were shooters back then. 242 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:45,360 There was, there were people who, you know, right over there. 243 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:46,800 He had a bench arrest rifle. 244 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:49,200 He was I mean, you know, they were dialed in. 245 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:52,760 There were custom loaders, and those people were certainly there. 246 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:56,920 And I think they're every bit as good as the people are today, other than today's 247 00:11:56,920 --> 00:12:00,600 shooters can take advantage of technology that we didn't have in those days. 248 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:03,600 You know, better optics, better guns, better everything. 249 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:06,840 But I, touchstone for me was 250 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:10,840 I started competing in what we used to call wildcat 251 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:16,120 combat matches in the early, well, middle 70s. 252 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:16,480 Right. 253 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:20,040 So that's the early run and jump and shoot steel plates. 254 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:20,400 Right. 255 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:23,640 And there were it was very disorganized and, and everything. 256 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:26,640 And people used to use single action revolvers and stuff. 257 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:29,640 But even the hot shots, though, 258 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:33,160 you know, it's like, the guy that always wins, right? 259 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:35,400 You know, there's always 3 or 4 of those guys. 260 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:40,160 And then we started going to other hosted matches at other venues, 261 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:44,200 and it was always this top kind of few guys who used to win all the time. 262 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:49,960 As I look back on that, they would be hopelessly outclassed with today's shooters. 263 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:52,120 I mean, you know, these 264 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:58,240 guys were no slouch, but today's even today's weekend warrior, 265 00:12:58,560 --> 00:13:02,200 you know, club, you know, ID match on the weekend. 266 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:05,480 I'm afraid those guys would just outshoot all of us from those days. 267 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:07,160 Yeah. 268 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:11,120 Well, you know, to tease out a couple of things there. 269 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:14,200 You talked about technology, and we got to discuss that because it's 270 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:18,080 just farther along than I ever imagined it would get. 271 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:22,080 But also the, the idea of information, 272 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:27,440 you know, there was certainly as guns magazine 273 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:32,320 was around for 70 years and a lot of our, our, other magazines and things. 274 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:35,320 Then along came the internet and suddenly 275 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:38,080 you could find anything, 276 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:41,080 any esoteric thing you wanted about shooting. 277 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:44,040 And I think shooters in the past we've talked about this 278 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:48,000 before were generalists, where a guy was a hunter, he might compete 279 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:51,720 in a turkey shoot or a weekend match, and then he'd go bird hunting. 280 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:56,960 And now people tend to be a little more focused on I just long range deer hunter. 281 00:13:56,960 --> 00:14:02,160 I only, quail hunt and very vertical, very vertical. 282 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:03,960 And they dive in with both feet. 283 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:08,440 So, that quail hunter guy may not be able to talk about deer, 284 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:12,360 or he's probably only been a few times, but, man, he can tell you anything 285 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:16,360 and everything about quail hunting and shotguns 286 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:21,480 and and technique and places and biology and all that stuff. 287 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:25,080 And, you know, with this age of communication, 288 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:27,920 the information, is out there. 289 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:32,400 And I do think that part has made folks better rounded, at least, 290 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:37,680 as you said, in that narrow vertical, that the guys that do X or Y know 291 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:41,720 almost everything there is to know about X or Y. 292 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:43,240 Well, let's 293 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:46,680 say it's 50 years ago, of 60 years ago 294 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:51,360 and you wanted to go hunting and you didn't know how to do it. 295 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:56,840 Well, you had to find somebody who went dividing, and you had to get him 296 00:14:56,840 --> 00:15:01,680 to tell you what you needed to buy, how to shoot, what kind of shotgun to get, 297 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:05,400 what kind of loads to get, you know, where do you shoot? 298 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:07,000 What are the rules? 299 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:09,000 How do you buy a hunting license? 300 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:12,600 I mean, and you had to do that all analog, you know. 301 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:13,080 Yeah. 302 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:17,080 And nowadays, if you want to learn how to dove hunt well, 303 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:21,400 within 15 minutes on the internet, you're going to know all that stuff. 304 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:26,640 I mean, because you're going to have 100 websites of dove hunting, USA and, 305 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:32,240 you know, of best, but top ten best places to go dove hunting, you know, and. 306 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:34,320 Dove hunting YouTube channels. 307 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:34,760 Yeah. 308 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:39,240 And so I think that contributes to the fact that shooters are better takers. 309 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:40,520 They're better educated. 310 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:46,080 You know, I mean, I bought I bought an antique watchmaker's lathe 311 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:51,240 the other day, over the weekend, at a gun show, oddly enough. And, 312 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:54,040 and I knew a little bit about it, 313 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:57,840 and so I got home, cleaned it up a little bit so I could read what it was. 314 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:00,040 And within an hour, 315 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:02,520 I knew the complete history of this. 316 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:04,120 I knew exactly when it was made. 317 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:06,520 I'd found out the company was still a business. 318 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:08,960 I found links to spare parts. 319 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:11,520 I watched YouTube videos on how to use it. 320 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:14,520 I mean, it was it was we curse the internet. 321 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:18,200 But on the other hand, you know, and I think, 322 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:22,000 I think that that's probably though one of the bigger reasons, you know, 323 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:25,120 and, and it seems like 324 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:28,680 we have more fanboys than we did when you and I were younger. 325 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:31,200 I mean, you know what I mean? 326 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:31,440 Yeah. 327 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:35,280 I mean, there everybody kind of liked all kinds of guns, you know? 328 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:35,640 Yeah. 329 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:37,960 And nowadays it's like you're a Glock shooter 330 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:40,960 or you're an AR shooter or you're FN shooter, or you're, 331 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:44,360 you know, I guess it's what you were saying about vertical, you know. 332 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:46,680 Yeah. Well, I was going to say go. 333 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:47,880 Oh, go ahead, go ahead. 334 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:50,520 Well, I was going to say, can I say something about this gun show? 335 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:51,760 I'm in the Joplin area, 336 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:54,760 and I went to this first gun show I've been to in a long time. 337 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:57,520 Good Lord, everything was expensive. 338 00:16:57,520 --> 00:16:59,720 Yeah. I mean. 339 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:02,560 I wondered when you told me you were going and hadn't been in a while. 340 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:06,240 I mean, everything ammunition, 341 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:11,160 accessories, guns, I mean, I, the average gun 342 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:17,080 was probably 30 to 50% more than it was five years ago, you know? 343 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:22,800 And, yeah, I'm not sure why, but it's like, good lord, you know? 344 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:26,120 Okay, well, I just to. Mention that. Yeah. 345 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:28,040 Just like I tell my wife after 346 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:31,040 she comes home from the grocery store every single time. 347 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:32,520 That's just the way it is. 348 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:35,360 Everything's more expensive. The way it is. Yeah. 349 00:17:35,360 --> 00:17:36,800 So me actually, you know what? 350 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:38,520 We may have stumbled onto something, which is. 351 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:42,040 Maybe that's why people or one of the reasons why people are so vertical. 352 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:46,840 Because when you and I were growing up, if you were to get a shotgun 353 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:50,760 and, bolt action hunting rifle and a 22 rifle, 354 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:53,520 I mean, you know, they were they were all very affordable. 355 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:54,000 You know? Yeah. 356 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:56,640 And nowadays, gosh, if you 357 00:17:56,640 --> 00:18:01,160 want to get a decent, you know, hunting rifle and a decent shotgun 358 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:07,280 or a decent 22 pistol in a decent, well, now we're looking at $4000 or $5000. 359 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:08,280 Yeah. 360 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:11,280 You know. Yeah, it's like, oh. 361 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:12,640 Yeah. 362 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:13,560 Well, and I wanted 363 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:17,320 to go back to the, fanboy thing because that phenomenon amazes me. 364 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:20,320 But I think it's pretty clear why that happens. 365 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:23,320 And it in talking to folks in different 366 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:27,240 areas of, of life, not just shooting but other things, 367 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:32,480 I think it's a result of today's algorithm, person 368 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:35,560 because we're all, 369 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:39,960 I guess guilty of this, but the, the, an algorithm 370 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:43,960 is kind of what drives things like Google and your social media and all that, 371 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:46,960 and it's a chicken or the egg kind of thing. 372 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:52,520 We only look at what we want to look at, but that's all that they give us. 373 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:55,760 Now, whether you look at on social media, when you're searching, 374 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:59,120 whatever it builds a profile on, it's all goes back to marketing. 375 00:18:59,120 --> 00:19:02,520 Because if if I want to sell golf clubs, I want to 376 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:06,480 I want to find somebody that is really, seriously heavy into golf clubs 377 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:09,480 and reads about them all the time and technique 378 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:13,080 and maybe, you know, hey, what's a good, nine iron? 379 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:16,680 That's the guy that I want to target with my advertising. 380 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:19,880 And that's something we couldn't do back in pre-Internet days. 381 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:24,760 Well, now, for better and for worse, all you're going to see is stuff 382 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:28,560 that you've been interested in the past and it 383 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:30,760 you know, it's it's important for all of us. 384 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:32,480 And this is a general life skill. 385 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:37,240 We need to look at stuff that, is outside our normal day to day 386 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:40,240 because we all have that certain set of things, 387 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:43,200 our own little pattern that we look at every day 388 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:46,720 and especially like on social media, if you start looking up 389 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:50,520 duck hunting, you're going to see a lot of duck hunting stuff. 390 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:53,880 They'll occasionally throw in a deer hunting or a competition shooting, 391 00:19:54,120 --> 00:19:56,800 but it's going to be all duck hunting all the time. 392 00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:59,640 And then you're going to get advertising is about all duck hunting all the time. 393 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:02,640 And where that goes with the fanboy mentality is, 394 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:05,760 if you're completely invested in one single, 395 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:09,360 solitary thing, whatever it is, duck hunting or, 396 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:12,600 trains, model trains, 397 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:15,920 you're going to be very protective and very, very, 398 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:21,120 embraced and in that whole, field. 399 00:20:21,120 --> 00:20:24,240 So I think that's where, you know, we've we've talked about it 400 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:28,360 countless times before that if, if it's not even if we say anything bad about it, 401 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:32,040 are if we don't say enough nice stuff about a year, 402 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:36,160 we get 4 or 5 comments that are just some of them are downright hateful. 403 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:39,560 And it's like, whoa, it's it's okay, they're Speed Racer. 404 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:41,720 You can like those, we can like this. 405 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:45,240 But but some folks just, get pushed over 406 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:48,920 that edge of they, they are wrapped up in this thing. 407 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:50,480 That's all they look up at. 408 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:52,440 That's all they see when they go on the internet. 409 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:54,960 It's all they can talk about on their forum. 410 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:59,760 And how dare you not hold that up as the greatest, best thing. 411 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:01,440 So that's kind of my indictment 412 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:05,600 of modern life and the internet general, but I think it explains some of that. 413 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:06,840 And my, 414 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:09,680 crusty 415 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:14,040 old opinion to close out that segment is and don't let it happen to you, 416 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:17,480 keep keep a broad mind so anyway. 417 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:21,120 Well, I don't disagree with anything there. 418 00:21:21,120 --> 00:21:25,280 I think we both said that modern shooters are better shooters, 419 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:29,040 and I think a lot of that is for the reasons you just talked about. 420 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:33,120 I mean, if I, if I wanted to learn how to reload as 421 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:36,920 17 Magnum, well, 422 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:40,280 there's going to be somebody on YouTube showing me how to do it, you know. 423 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:40,640 Yeah. 424 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:42,320 Well, maybe not on YouTube anymore. 425 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:44,520 Because, well, you know, but. 426 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:46,920 You know, I mean, I mean, 427 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:50,880 yeah, any anything you can think of. 428 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:52,720 And if we're thinking of shooting, 429 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:56,760 like if I said, gee, I just got this new semi-automatic pistol, 430 00:21:56,880 --> 00:22:02,160 what kind of a holster should I buy if I want to do a weekend competition? 431 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:04,600 Well, within 15 minutes, 432 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:07,440 you're going to know exactly what kind of holster you need to buy, 433 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:09,840 and you'll be able to find it online somewhere. 434 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:13,160 And maybe by the next day you'll have it, you know? 435 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:13,400 Yeah. 436 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:15,800 And and 40 years ago, 437 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:19,240 if you wanted to shoot on the weekend, you'd, like, show up, right. 438 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:22,120 Talk to some people there. 439 00:22:22,120 --> 00:22:23,400 There were grumpy people. 440 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:26,600 And then there was a you 1 or 2 nice people and they would come over 441 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:29,040 and if they were really nice, they would show you how to do. 442 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:31,680 Baby, let's use their gun right that time. 443 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:32,000 Yeah. 444 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:35,080 Walk you through it, tell you what kind of ammo. 445 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:36,400 Maybe even offer to. 446 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:39,120 Hey, come on over to my house. I'll show you how to reload it. 447 00:22:39,120 --> 00:22:40,320 I mean, just things were just. 448 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:42,080 You had to 449 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:45,800 take your time, you know, and you had to do the work to get there. 450 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:46,240 Yeah. 451 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:50,840 And, I think that's why the deer hunters there shot one bullet a year. 452 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:53,400 Did that. Because to do more than that, what? 453 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:55,160 Took a lot of effort, you know. 454 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:55,480 Yeah. 455 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:58,480 And and nowadays, you I mean, just like 456 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:02,240 you can live vicariously, you can go on hundreds of deer hunts. 457 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:03,000 I never leave that. 458 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:06,960 You're just a chair in front of the computer, you know? 459 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:08,400 Yeah. And and unfortunately. 460 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:10,680 You're learning. Or doing that. 461 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:11,880 Yeah. Yeah. 462 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:13,440 But you're learning all the time. 463 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:16,440 And, you know, I look at our own videos we have, 464 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:20,160 I don't know, I think we have 2000 videos on the YouTube channel now. 465 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:24,120 Well, when you scroll through them, I mean, there's how to clean your gun 466 00:23:24,120 --> 00:23:27,960 and how to fix your gun and how to reload ammunition and how to cite it in. 467 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:31,200 And I mean, the list just goes on and on and on. 468 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:33,200 And you know what? 469 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:37,120 A resource which we didn't have, you know, before. 470 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:40,960 And so, yeah, I mean, if it wasn't in the latest 471 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:44,760 American Rifleman or Guns magazine, you pretty much didn't know it. 472 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:46,080 Yeah. 473 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:47,320 You know, and yeah. 474 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:49,760 And had to go through that learning process. 475 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:54,360 And I think that's another, issue with modern life that we've talked about 476 00:23:54,360 --> 00:23:58,520 before is people kind of walk into something expecting to know 477 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:02,760 everything and have the best gear, and we didn't start that way in the past. 478 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:05,680 You know, I was laughing when you said you went to the range. 479 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:07,920 You found somebody that told you how to do this, and, 480 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:11,400 you know, if they were really nice, they'd give you a hand, a second hand, 481 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:15,760 a hand-me-down, a holster they didn't use or or something like that. 482 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:18,960 And you started out generally with worn out or crappy gear, 483 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:22,400 you know, the, the duck decoys that all needed repainting and all that. 484 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:25,840 And you learned through that process of getting better and you, 485 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:30,120 you had bad stuff and you appreciated the better stuff 486 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:33,920 as you became more involved, more experienced in what you were doing. 487 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,080 But I will say, 488 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:39,200 another point I wanted to make in there, we were talking about deer hunters. 489 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:42,440 And this is I will admit, it's totally objective. 490 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:46,000 Or, not objective, very subjective. 491 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:50,520 And it's anecdotal, but I do think deer hunters, 492 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:55,200 in terms of overall accuracy across the board, is getting better. 493 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,440 And I attribute that to this. 494 00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:59,520 This, I don't want to call it a fad, 495 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:03,520 but a new emphasis on long range competition and shooting. 496 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:07,200 And I've talked about that before, being an old school police sniper 497 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:09,240 and then getting out for a number of years and coming back, 498 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:11,400 you know, we are 499 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:15,720 so much further in terms of information and equipment than we were. 500 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,440 And I do think that carries over into hunting. 501 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:21,840 I don't know if folks are statistically taking longer shots, 502 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:25,600 but I know that when I when I see it, deer check in stations 503 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:30,840 doesn't seem to resemble the carnage that I used to see 25 years ago. 504 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:34,400 And for every deer that came in with that 1 or 2 bullets in it, 505 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,640 there might be 4 or 5 that had three, four, 506 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,640 five, six shots, seven, eight. 507 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:42,720 I've seen that, you know, and it's horrible. 508 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:46,280 You think this poor animal, you know, eight shots, 509 00:25:47,120 --> 00:25:50,240 that's not good shooting under any circumstances. 510 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,040 How can people do that? 511 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:56,720 And, you know, if, if, if I took eight shots 512 00:25:56,720 --> 00:26:00,680 to put down an animal, I guarantee you, the very next day I'd be on the range, 513 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:04,360 burning all the ammo I can afford, trying to figure out what did I do wrong. 514 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:06,760 And again, I could be wrong. 515 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:07,560 But it's because. 516 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,800 And I don't think anybody's done a study on this, but it does seem like 517 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:15,560 the overall accuracy as a whole has gotten a little bit better, at least. 518 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,720 At least judging by the deer check in stations in my book. 519 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:24,000 Well, I agree, I mean, you look right now you can get a new, 520 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:25,720 I'll just say bolt action hunting 521 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:29,320 rifle, one of the affordable models from one of the major makers, 522 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:34,680 you know, for just a few hundred dollars and virtually all of them will out shoot 523 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:38,520 anything that was available in the market 40 years ago or 50 years ago. 524 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:40,600 And if you spend 525 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:44,480 $100 on a scope today, you have a better scope 526 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:48,480 than someone who spent $500 on a Lou pulled scope 50 years ago. 527 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,920 Absolutely. And the ammunition is better. 528 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:56,040 You know, and we have a lot more lower recoiling 529 00:26:56,360 --> 00:26:59,760 hunting rifles, you know, six point fives and stuff like that. 530 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:00,760 And so, 531 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:05,440 you know, I in the old days, it's like if you were a man, you shot a 338 win 532 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:09,400 mag or a 300 when mag and you know, and were people were terrified of them 533 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:10,560 and so they missed 534 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:13,560 and they had to shoot their deer eight times because they kept missing it. 535 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,640 You know, having said that, though, I will say 536 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,320 the downside of all this internet 537 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,320 accessibility is, you know, 538 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:26,280 Howard Milquetoast decides that he wants to be a duck hunter tomorrow. 539 00:27:27,120 --> 00:27:30,120 And so he jumps on the Cabela's website 540 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:36,240 and he buys new camouflage and orders a shotgun and two cases, ammunition 541 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:41,560 and decoys and duck calls and every single thing 542 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:45,280 you possibly would ever need to be a duck hunter, right? 543 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:49,040 Now, does that make him a O'Connor? 544 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:49,880 No, no. 545 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:54,440 You know, and so, that is the other side of this, you know, 546 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:55,920 because I talked about a little bit 547 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:59,520 50 years ago, if you wanted to be a duck hunter, you really had to find 548 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:03,000 mentors, you know, and it it was a learning curve. 549 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:06,000 And like you say, you started with a crappy shotgun and your 550 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,480 waterproof boots weren't, you know. You. 551 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:14,800 And you froze to death and your coffee was cold, and but we still did it. 552 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:16,240 It was fun. And you learned. 553 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:16,560 Yeah. 554 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:21,080 And, and I think the fact that a lot of this stuff is sort of easy money today. 555 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:22,960 And so, 556 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,640 I mean, I, you can go to a public range and see somebody 557 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:30,840 who's decked out to the nines, you know, new fancy, you know, fat striker 558 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,840 fired pistol with a light and a laser 559 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,440 fancy holster, shooting glasses. 560 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,520 You know, I mean, everything. 561 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:40,760 But he can't hit the target. 562 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:43,440 You know, and I those are the, like, 563 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,680 lifestyle stylist kind of people, you know, 564 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:51,840 but but I think, on average, the person who wants to be a shooter 565 00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:56,640 today is better at it than they were 40 years ago or 50 years ago. 566 00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:57,880 Yeah. 567 00:28:57,880 --> 00:28:58,880 Well, you know, it was funny. 568 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,880 I was at a media event a couple of years ago, and, 569 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:06,120 I a wide cross-section of gun media. 570 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:07,920 I'll use air quotes. 571 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:12,320 And there was one guy there who he was that guy in any group. 572 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,640 And you've you've been there countless times. Roy. 573 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:18,040 There's always one guy that talks way, way too much. 574 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:20,120 And it's okay at first. 575 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:23,920 And then after, you know, 2 or 3 days at media events, you know, you're 576 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:25,760 you're typically in a van or, 577 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,640 you know, you're going back and forth, you're hunting hard or you're 578 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:33,000 you're shooting a lot and then you stay up too late and, and all that. 579 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:36,120 So it does kind of get to be a drag toward the end of it. 580 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,960 And by day three of the guy saying, you know, listen, I think I know. 581 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:41,760 And I know, oh. 582 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,040 Please, please shut up. 583 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,600 Well, anyway, I finally thought, I need to find 584 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,680 I want to find out how much does this guy really know? 585 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:53,840 Because he was he was he had an opinion on everything, 586 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:57,120 especially tactical, because he was very much a tactical guy. 587 00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,000 So I made sure I was a shooting partner. 588 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,600 The next day. And I'll never forget this. 589 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:06,280 I said, so, tell me, what's your background? 590 00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:08,280 Because I expected military law enforcement 591 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:11,640 something because, you know, he was he was a high speed, low drag guy. 592 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,880 Well, you know, I picked up shooting three years ago, and I said, oh, my lord. 593 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,120 Really? Oh, are you serious? 594 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:19,080 I mean, I didn't say that. 595 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,440 I just went, yeah. 596 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:25,160 And in three years he had learned everything and was 597 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,560 was very confidently telling these other gun writers, 598 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,680 some guys I know who, you know, served in the military, 599 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:36,200 you know, law enforcement or at least shot for, you know, decades and decades. 600 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,760 And but he he sure knew everything. 601 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:42,720 And to me, that was the guy that don't be that guy, you know. 602 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:46,240 And he probably doesn't shoot better than people in the old days, 603 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:50,560 you know, and and also, I think in the old days 604 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:54,840 there was a lot more subsistence kind of hunting and shoot truth, you know, 605 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:58,920 I mean, you all you have to do is look at the percentage of Americans 606 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:03,520 who lived rural and was on farms 50, 75 years ago versus today. 607 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:05,440 And it's just a fraction today. 608 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:07,000 I mean, there 609 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:10,040 probably are people out there who hunt for subsistence. 610 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,240 Well, I'm sure there there are. Right. 611 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:15,560 But generally that's not the case. 612 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:17,400 You know, you do it because it's interesting. 613 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:21,480 And you, you know, I'll call the deer herd, supply meat to the public, 614 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:23,160 you know, kitchens and stuff like that. 615 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:27,720 But, but I don't know, I think people because as we said, it costs more, 616 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,080 it's more of a challenge to, to do it 617 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:34,400 because you have travel and costs and, you know, all that kind of stuff. 618 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,400 And so I think the people who do it today, 619 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,160 they want to do better because it takes some effort, 620 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:44,200 because, you know, 50 years ago, if you wanted to go deer hunting, 621 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:47,880 you just you borrowed your neighbor's 3030, 622 00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:52,000 then got in your car and drove 20 miles out of town 623 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:55,080 and knocked on a farmer's door and said, I shoot a deer over here. 624 00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:57,640 And they'd say, sure, don't shoot the cows. 625 00:31:57,640 --> 00:31:57,920 Yeah. 626 00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:02,280 You know, and then you'd mosey out and you might or might not shoot a deer 627 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:04,160 seven times, you know. Yeah. 628 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:07,080 And throw it on the hood of your car and drive back. 629 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:07,760 Yeah. 630 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:08,120 Yeah. 631 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:10,560 That doesn't go on anymore, I don't think. 632 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:11,640 Well, I was going to. 633 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:15,520 And you reminded me of one of those points I wanted to go back to when I was a kid, 634 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:16,000 and I cert. 635 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:17,400 I know it was when you were a kid, right? 636 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,680 Like you said, it was so much easier to find a place to shoot. 637 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,680 Whether we legally had permission or not. 638 00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:27,200 First of all, when's the last time anybody knocked on the, 639 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,080 you know, a farmer's door 640 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:32,080 and said, hey, you mind if I go out and hunt pheasant in your field? 641 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:34,040 It was never a guarantee. 642 00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:37,240 But more times than not, they said, sure, just like you said, don't. 643 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:38,520 Don't shoot cows. 644 00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:42,560 Close the gates behind you, and, you know, now it's even hard to find 645 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:44,640 who owns this. The stupid ground. 646 00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:46,120 Oh, yeah. Nobody's going to let you. 647 00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:48,800 On, and nobody's going to let you on. It unless you know that. 648 00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:49,640 What he do know? 649 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:50,840 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 650 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:54,360 So, and, you know, just it wasn't uncommon. 651 00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:55,560 Well, for example, 652 00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:58,680 and I think I talked about it a long time ago, there was a gravel pit. 653 00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:02,360 And I now know the owner, but it was kind of like the public gravel pit. 654 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,040 And it hadn't been an operation for a long time. 655 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:09,360 But everybody went there camping, fishing, shooting, and nobody said a word. 656 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:12,480 And then now, having been in law enforcement, 657 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:16,080 our county is one of those counties that it's growing dramatically, but 658 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:19,080 especially from southeast to northwest. 659 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:22,200 And if I remember these calls plainly, 660 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:24,640 this man's shooting over there. 661 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,440 Yeah, we shooting. 662 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:29,880 Well, he's on his property and you're out in the country, 663 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:34,120 and it's allowed what he can do that it's like you moved in from Chicago, 664 00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:37,120 didn't you? And it's it's just amazing. 665 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:40,120 It just everything has gotten more challenging. 666 00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:42,960 So makes sense. It's it's true. 667 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:43,440 Yeah. Right. 668 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:47,400 But having said all this, if you went to 669 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,960 an NRA handgun 670 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:56,800 match in 1945 and there were all those old guys with 671 00:33:56,800 --> 00:34:02,160 fedoras shooting revolvers, 100 cigarets, a left hand in their pocket and stuff. 672 00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:03,360 Yeah. 673 00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:06,120 Most of those guys would out shoot anybody 674 00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:09,240 today who is shooting the same thing, right? 675 00:34:09,240 --> 00:34:12,200 You know, but again, that was a pretty narrow focus. 676 00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:14,440 You know, those were really motivated people. 677 00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:16,200 They went out, they found the equipment. 678 00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:19,040 They, you know, and they did it themselves. 679 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,840 But, I, I'm afraid, 680 00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,840 definitely the average person today. 681 00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:28,000 Well, if we think about it too, if you want to carry 682 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:31,040 a concealed weapon today, you, you know, you have to get some. 683 00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,000 Usually you have to get some kind of training. 684 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:34,640 You know, it depends on the area, 685 00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:39,320 but which is more than anyone who ever went hunting before ever got. 686 00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:39,840 Yeah. 687 00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:41,440 You know, and 688 00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:45,600 and nowadays, you know, kids especially, they have to take hunter safety. 689 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,080 Yeah. You know which 50 years ago and. Yeah. 690 00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:49,800 And have to do it in. 691 00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:54,000 So 1976 I took 692 00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:57,440 I took Hunter's ed and I was one of the first people in our state to do it. 693 00:34:57,640 --> 00:34:59,520 And I was the high score in the class. 694 00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:01,080 But it was such an unusual thing. 695 00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:04,320 Now you have to take hunters, Ed, I think in every state 696 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:08,040 now to get a hunting license or be over a certain age. 697 00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:08,640 Right. 698 00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:13,520 But it, you know, I, I loved my hunter ed class and that's why I did so 699 00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:16,960 well because it's like we get to talk and and we'll talk about guns and. 700 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:20,080 Well, you know, so. Do it, you know. 701 00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:20,600 Yeah. 702 00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:23,760 When I was in the seventh grade, 703 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:27,720 I don't know when that was 1966 or something. 704 00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,760 My dad signed my brother and I up, and he. 705 00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,760 So he was our no. Ten. 706 00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,080 No or less eight. 707 00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:41,400 Who signed us up for, like, we met, like, 708 00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,720 three weekends in a row and we shot 22 rifles. 709 00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:48,600 And they taught us, you know, how to shoot the rifles, 710 00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:50,680 and we shot from arrest, you remember? Love to shoot. 711 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:52,440 Not from arrest. 712 00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:56,960 But all of that was geared toward making us gun safe 713 00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:01,600 and making us want to go shooting, wanting to go hunting with our dad. 714 00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,600 It was a real hunting focused kind of a thing, you know? 715 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:06,680 And I remember the dads 716 00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:09,760 there were all real interested, you know, and and everything. 717 00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:13,640 The I know the guns, though, were all really basic guns, 718 00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,280 single shot, 22 rifles and stuff. 719 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:17,720 I today, it's really interesting. 720 00:36:17,720 --> 00:36:22,080 Sometimes, a reader or I'll, there'll be a comment on YouTube 721 00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:27,200 and they'll say, you know, I'm gonna buy my, son his first rifle, 22 rifle. 722 00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,680 And I was thinking, and they'll give me a list of, like, 723 00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:34,480 expensive semi-auto and stuff like that, you know, or high proportion. 724 00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:35,760 A good first gun. 725 00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,080 Well, yeah, it's a good gun. 726 00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:38,480 It's like. 727 00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:42,880 Yeah, well, yeah, but, you know, I mean, that's why they invented, 728 00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:46,360 you know, single shot Savage, 22 rimfire, you know, 729 00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:51,640 so I guess it's a blessing we have everything we ever want 730 00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:56,000 today, but but, you know, sometimes people don't always understand 731 00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,040 where to put the boundaries. 732 00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:02,360 Well, and I think that, to close this out, I think that's part of the modern 733 00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:04,840 problem is I was reading a story about this 734 00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:06,560 the other day, and it wasn't talking about shooting. 735 00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:07,920 It was talking about just life in general. 736 00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:10,920 People are far more dissatisfied with life now. 737 00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:15,480 And it was kind of looking at, you know, if you look at crime rates, 738 00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:19,800 poverty rates, all these other rates, life was harder back then. 739 00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:23,680 So we've we've and I'm not saying it's not hard now, but 740 00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:27,960 we have more resources and we have greater ability to communicate. 741 00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:30,840 We can be entertained whether we want to be or not. 742 00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,600 24 over seven we can communicate across the globe, 743 00:37:34,720 --> 00:37:35,880 you know, medical science. 744 00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:42,000 Anyway, long story short, we tend to discount all the great stuff 745 00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:43,680 we have now. 746 00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,320 And we think, you know, it was a lot better 20 years ago. 747 00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:48,240 Well, in some ways it was. 748 00:37:48,240 --> 00:37:49,560 And in a lot of ways it wasn't. 749 00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:51,640 And I think shooting falls in that do. 750 00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:54,400 And, kind of drawing that curtain on this. 751 00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,560 Ryan, I've talked about it multiple times on this podcast. 752 00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:00,280 We're living in the golden age right now. 753 00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,680 And, we can extend that now, I think, to shooters, because we both agree 754 00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:07,080 that I think shooters overall are probably a little bit better. 755 00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:12,240 Maybe not more rounded, but probably in one narrow, little path. 756 00:38:12,240 --> 00:38:16,000 They're probably a lot more sophisticated than folks even 30 years ago. 757 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:19,320 So any any parting or final words there, Roy, on that? 758 00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,840 Well, if you I'll just look at myself. 759 00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:26,520 I mean, am I a better shooter than I was 50 years ago, you know, 760 00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:30,840 and I can absolutely on a unqualified say. Yes. 761 00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:34,200 You know, I mean, I absolutely am a better shooter. 762 00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:35,400 I'm safer. 763 00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,280 I know more about guns. I'm more accurate. 764 00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:41,280 You know, I do fewer stupid things. 765 00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:44,720 You know? And, 766 00:38:44,720 --> 00:38:46,440 and it's a lot of that is because 767 00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,560 of the resources we have, you know, that you take advantage of. 768 00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:55,560 And so I think if you translate that across the board, 769 00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:59,800 then I think that proves that, that we're better because any shooter 770 00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:03,800 who started shooting today or, or the shooting today and started shooting 771 00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,800 five years ago, hopefully is a better shooter today 772 00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:09,360 through, you know, with all these resources we have 773 00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:12,960 and if they started 20 years ago, probably they're better shooters today. 774 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,800 And yeah, I think if you took the average deer camp 775 00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:21,480 today, you know, five guys and a woman 776 00:39:22,720 --> 00:39:26,840 and 2.5 minorities and, you know, sorry, I. 777 00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:30,720 Yeah, but if you take an average deer hunt, deer camp today 778 00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:34,080 versus 50 years ago, 779 00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:40,080 yeah, there's no doubt in my mind the average deer camp today has better 780 00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:44,280 equipment, better optics, you know, better communication. 781 00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:46,440 Better. 782 00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:49,200 Better, navigation. 783 00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:51,680 They had they have more accurate rifles. 784 00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,480 They have better quality ammunition. You know. 785 00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:55,200 So better. 786 00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:57,800 Better close to keep you warm. So. Yeah. 787 00:39:57,800 --> 00:39:59,880 So, yeah, it's they're better. 788 00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:00,640 They really are. 789 00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:04,200 And some of it is technology, but a lot of it is I just think people 790 00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:07,200 take advantage of the knowledge we have and they're motivated. 791 00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:09,920 And so they do it. So there we go. 792 00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:13,320 And if you don't agree, then tell us in the comments exactly. 793 00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:16,800 So, you know, the overarching thing on 794 00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:20,760 this podcast is we try to, as I often say, gun and fun or one letter apart. 795 00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,280 So we are living in the Golden age. 796 00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:26,640 So, there's a lot of trouble and heartache in the world, but 797 00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:28,800 stop and appreciate what we've got. 798 00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:32,040 And, everything that we, we didn't used to have. 799 00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:36,600 So it's it's a pretty cool time, right now to be a shooter, but I have to. 800 00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:38,520 I can't let it go. 801 00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:39,520 It kills me. 802 00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:43,200 You know, if, first of all, you'd never see a commercial with a deer camp. 803 00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:46,240 Maybe for a light beer, in a fun moment. 804 00:40:46,240 --> 00:40:47,920 But you're absolutely right. 805 00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:50,160 There would be a differently abled person. 806 00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:57,000 There would be a a gay couple and every possible nationality under the rainbow. 807 00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:58,560 Right. Would be there. 808 00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:01,840 So I don't know how you'd get a native Pacific 809 00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:05,520 Islander there with an Eskimo, but they would do that. 810 00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:07,040 So yeah, just as. 811 00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:10,800 It is for the times they not are just changing. 812 00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:12,000 They have changed. 813 00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:12,880 They have. Changed. 814 00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:16,440 So so well, we appreciate like Roy said, 815 00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:18,480 leave us your comments. 816 00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:22,000 I'd be interested to hear from both the Graybeards and, 817 00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,840 the young folks or the, the less experienced shooters. 818 00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:29,160 I'd, I'd be interested to hear your perspective on this. 819 00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:32,560 You can also reach me at editor at guns podcast. 820 00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:35,120 Dot us and I'll send anything along to Roy. 821 00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:38,840 And hopefully, as you saw in the very beginning, we do actually read 822 00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,840 those comments a lot and take them to heart. 823 00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:45,160 Except those occasional ones, we just laugh about those. 824 00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:48,480 But for the most part, we really enjoy, seeing those comments. 825 00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:53,680 So, before we go, course, make sure you check out guns magazine.com. 826 00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:56,840 They've got daily newsletters. 827 00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:57,920 You can sign up for an. 828 00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,440 I still write there, once a week. 829 00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:03,160 And, likewise with American hand Gunner. 830 00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:06,000 I know Tom McHale's slaving away over there. 831 00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,720 And, Roy, I don't know if you saw it. I think I dropped you an email. 832 00:42:08,720 --> 00:42:13,320 Tom covered the Rhino pistol, the ten millimeter, the one we shot at your place. 833 00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:16,320 And I was so mad because he's to cover that, and he. 834 00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:17,240 He beat me to it. 835 00:42:17,240 --> 00:42:20,000 So you do take that up. 836 00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:21,200 Yeah, exactly. 837 00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,760 So I guess I'll just have to come back to your house again. Yeah. 838 00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:24,280 There you go. 839 00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:27,960 You have a plan for the official co-host 840 00:42:28,240 --> 00:42:32,400 of The Guns podcast U.S, brought to you by guns magazine. 841 00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:36,000 So on behalf of Roy Harrington and the whole gang at, 842 00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:40,480 Guns magazine.com, and of course guns podcast.us. 843 00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,280 I hope you got through the Christmas season. Good. 844 00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:45,960 And now we're facing that. 845 00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:49,040 Next week will be the changing of the new year. 846 00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:50,760 And and we'll look forward. 847 00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:52,480 I'm going to look forward to 2026. 848 00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:55,800 So anyway, until that time, as I always 849 00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,840 say now get out there and get shooting.