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Dr. Daniel Pompa, welcome to reversible.

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Dr Pompa (02:46.838)
So glad to be here. What a great topic.

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Josh Dech - CHN (02:49.378)
It's going to be a blast. See, today we're talking about all the ways that we fix a gut and all the things that are causing us to have continually broken guts and really squash all the efforts as to why, or really the squash rather, all the things we're doing that are helping or keeping our guts ill. And it's really intense because we have people spending millions, billions of dollars in North America who are never getting better and they're spinning their tires. And we reduce it to this ideology of I'm sick because it's genetic. And then we

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full stop and it's a little crazy to me. And so before we dive into this one, can you give a quick little introduction to yourself for our listeners who may not be familiar with you just

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Dr Pompa (03:28.718)
Yeah, I could bore people with my education facts and figures. Useless. My authority has come from my own, the victory over my own illness. I got very sick in 1999 and that transcended into 2001, 2002, 2003. And everything I learned, getting myself well, everything God showed me, I have to give him credit because honestly that is how it happened.

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Josh Dech - CHN (03:34.906)
Hahaha

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Dr Pompa (03:57.006)
I teach today. I've taught doctors for 20 years, everything I learned to get myself well. I'm known for my cellular work, cellular healing, cellular detox. I'm known for the guy who gets to the cause of things because that's how not only I got my life back, but if you interviewed the thousands of doctors that I've trained, they'll tell you, that's what I learned from Pampa, is I thought I was getting to the cause, but I wasn't.

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And that was the difference. So that's what I'm known for.

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Josh Dech - CHN (04:27.618)
I love that root cause is something that's really making its way through, I'd say mainstream functional medicine. Lately, people are starting to identify that there's a reason why I'm getting sick. But so many of us, this whole podcast reverse able the ultimate gut health podcast. It's how and why we can reverse certain sicknesses and diseases by starting in the gut. And today you come in with such an awesome topic about how do we fix the gut? One, of course, but two, why is all the things that we're doing not actually fixing

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gut and you have this great analogy about this problem being upstream in the river. I'd love to kick things off and start with that. Can you explain this concept to

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Dr Pompa (05:05.45)
It's a good place to start. Hypothetically, Josh, you buy this beautiful piece of property on this gorgeous river, and you're really excited about it. You go out, though, and you see that there's fish dying.

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And that's odd. then you see, notice the algae populations aren't healthy because you know a little bit about that stuff and the plants don't look good and they're dying. So what do you do? You invested in the property, you invest in your ecosystem there and you repopulate the fish and you do all these wonderful plants and algaes and all of that. Three months later, it's all dead again. And you do it again. This time.

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you even spend more money, you pay more effort. And then finally, your neighbor comes over because it all dies again. And he comes over and says, hey, Josh, I'd save your money. 20 miles up the river is a factory that's dumping mercury and lead into this water system.

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So it's your efforts are going to not be rewarded. You know, but that is what we're doing. Look, you you're right. Everything you preach and teach, you know, the gut is the cause. We could go down a list of, you know, autoimmune brain conditions, right? mean, so many thyroid conditions, we could go down the list,

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This analogy gives us a new look at what is the cause of the cause, meaning why. What has changed in the last 20 years? I would say even in the last 10 years, things have gotten drastically worse. What has changed that why the gut is a major causative factor, but also, to your point, why can't we fix it with our best efforts?

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Dr Pompa (06:41.294)
10 years ago, 20 years ago, people would just say, I changed my diet, I got so much better. And that sure is a good place to start. But it's getting less and less the one answer. Even the probiotics, all these things that we know work and are good, it's not the complete answer anymore. And that's the discussion.

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Josh Dech - CHN (06:59.264)
Hmm. It's a really unfortunate topic. You know, we preach that all diseases begin in the leaky gut and everybody comes in and goes, well, I've got a leaky gut. I'm bloated. I've got irritable bowel, or I've got Crohn's and colitis. I'm somewhere on the gut health spectrum. I've got a problem. I want to fix it. It's to go back to this research that's 10, 20 years old. That's tried and true for 20 years worth of research they conducted. And they go, here's my solution. They take these things. They try these interventions. They're still not getting better. And I'd say

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back to say about a hundred years ago, we really started disrupting this, almost a contract that we've had as human beings. This gut microbiome ecosystem lives within us. We have a contract. You help us, heal us, improve us and benefit us. And we give you a home and food and nurture and colonize and grow you. But over the last hundred years, we've broken that contract. And you're saying, thank you. I can't take the credit for that. It's Dr. Will Bulsiewicz. And so, you you're saying even the last 10 years, it's been even more dramatic.

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Dr Pompa (07:47.63)
That's good.

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Josh Dech - CHN (07:56.991)
that we've had these issues starting to happen. What do you think the biggest changes are that are happening to us right now or by our own choice or not that are contributing to this inability to actually fix our guts from the roots?

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Dr Pompa (08:09.486)
You know, if we go back, we'll get to the 10 year mark, I promise. If we go back to the industrial revolution after World War II, right? Something, it's known for something else. That's the chemical revolution. It really did. It happened after World War II. It's interesting because I just did an Instagram video tracking girls cycles periods when they first entered into their period. And I went back to the early 1900s and it was like 17 and a half years old.

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And then, you know, it slowly, there was a slow decline until the 1950s, 60s. And then we saw more massive decline. All of a sudden it was 14. And then all of a sudden it was 12. And today it's like 11 .6, right? So this decline and in the last, you know, 10 years, I think I forget what it did, but it was the most dramatic decline.

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So, you know, why is that? Well, if you look at it, it is this chemical revolution and the things that we're exposed to.

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massively the amount of plastic that we've been exposed to. And that has escalated dramatically in the last 10 years even more. Forever chemicals. These are hormone disruptors. These are microbiome disruptors, cancer causers. We can go around the list. And once again, we can look at what DuPont and 3M and how all these things came into our industries and all the products that we use daily, our food supply, our water supply. But in the last

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years things have gotten worse. If you just correlate glyphosate and you've had people, I don't want to bore people with the same information, but if you look at you know these trends in the you know 90s, late 90s, went up and then 2000s and then we see this dramatic rise that's one chemical that we know opens up the gut barrier, the blood brain barrier, but Josh it's a perfect storm now. You know we have all of these things massively increasing.

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Josh Dech - CHN (09:59.266)
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Dr Pompa (10:03.566)
And it's not good. I'll tell you something else that changed in the last 10 years. We're putting aluminum in jet fuel, bromine, aluminum, both hormone disruptors, both thyroid disruptors, both toxic for the brain. And they're doing that just

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improve the efficiency of jet fuel. It saves money. It's not a conspiracy. They're not trying to kill us. They are. But I mean, the fact is, is that it makes jet fuel, the new fuels have these as additives and it's falling down on our supply. And so in the last 10 years, we've been exposed to massive amounts of aluminum that we've never been exposed to. You put aluminum and mercury together and you have a toxic soup for the brain. And then glyphosate keeps going up. You know, Seneff hurt.

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2012 study showed that it opens up, glyphosate opens up the blood brain barrier and allows these metals that were already exposed to cross deeper. And she believes it's driving autism and you know, all of the dementia, all of the, you know, where does it start brain fog? This is the explosion. Thyroid, what has it done? I mean, my gosh, the last 20 years, what is going on? I mean, it's just going up and up.

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Josh Dech - CHN (11:14.154)
Mm -hmm.

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Dr Pompa (11:16.938)
And yet it's subclinical, meaning you can't even just look at the number of diagnosis and get a good picture of what's happening with the thyroid. Because it's subclinical, meaning it's not diagnosed. How many people have brain fog, hair thinning, skin issues, hair just getting brittle, skinny fat, losing muscle, gaining fat, of course no energy, constipation. All these are thyroid issues.

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This is what's happened in the last 20 years.

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Josh Dech - CHN (11:49.314)
It's a really bizarre spiral to watch. remember growing up, walking outside after a rainstorm, the ground was covered in earthworms. They'd all come to the surface. I haven't seen an earthworm in a decade. I don't see them anymore. They don't come out when it rains anymore. There's so much chemical and pollution. And I talk about a lot of these stats because these are what I know from what I do as a clinician in IBD. We help people reverse bowel disease. It's really not that difficult. There's just a lot of factors to do it. But if you look at statistically,

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There was what 900 or so pesticides approved for use in the USA in the 90s, 1990. Today it's almost 20 ,000. You look at cases, they've gone up anywhere from three to five times in the last 30 years. And so there's this direct correlation we're seeing between all of these things. We're seeing food that's toxic. We're seeing all kinds of chemicals and pesticides that are organophosphates. Well, so is sarin gas used in terrorist attacks. It's an organophosphate class. And they're really destroying and killing us.

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And it's something in the environment I don't think we think about enough. But this can be a topic that I think a lot of people don't want to hear. Because if it's food, at least we have some semblance of a choice. Sometimes there's financial barriers, sometimes they're not. What you're saying is it's our air, it's our water, it's everything that's being contaminated. Is that

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Dr Pompa (13:05.954)
Yeah, it's true. But you know, I mean, I think what you're saying is, is that it almost, we almost go, so what's the use then? Well, it's not true. It's not true because thank God our bodies heal. And it always amazes me, you know, the innate intelligence that God put in our bodies that how resilient it

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Josh Dech - CHN (13:14.249)
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Dr Pompa (13:27.394)
Because I just said that was on a group training call today with a hundred different coaches and practitioners and doctors. And I said those very words. It's amazing to me that everyone is not absolutely not able to function. Just with the amount of plastic that we've been exposed to. They're finding it. You see the new study, we're finding plastic and male testicles explaining why we have the lowest testosterone in the history of humans in the lowest sp... Yeah.

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Josh Dech - CHN (13:52.146)
100 % it was 100 % of testicles

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Dr Pompa (13:55.178)
Yeah, exactly. hundred percent. Right. It's like in then ovaries too. in the arteries, you know, they're finding it in the placking of the arteries. Right. And it's like, but here's the thing that's amazing is that we're all, you know, we're still functioning. Right. But I think when you look at some of the studies that are showing too, that if we just control some of these inputs, the body starts to heal rapidly. That's encouraging. You know what I look, I've witnessed it

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the years I've helped people get their lives back. If we imagine all of us have a bucket that is a stress bucket, it holds physical, chemical, and emotional stress. The body really doesn't know the difference between them. Trapped emotions can cause absolute inflammation throughout the body just as much as a trapped chemical.

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Some of us genetically have bigger buckets than others. Some of us have smaller buckets, but ultimately, how did I get my life back? I emptied that bucket. So, I mean, it sounds easier, but here's the good news. If you imagine me holding, and I know we have a lot of listeners, so I'm going to, that's why I said imagine me holding two glasses of water, one filled right to the top and the other halfway, right? If I stress the one that's halfway filled, I can stress it and shake it pretty good and I won't spill anything.

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The one right at the edge, if I just apply a little bit more stress, whether it's physical, chemical, or emotional, it overflows. Imagine that overflow is the symptoms.

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that we're getting, the brain fog, the energy loss, the anxiety. So ultimately, all we have to do is empty that down a little bit. And now I can live life with a lot more stress. I become way more resilient. I didn't have to empty the bucket all the way. I just had to get it down. So how do we do that? Well, we have to stop what's pouring in. And let me give you one more analogy. If you have a bathtub that is upstairs and it's overflowing because too much water is going in.

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Dr Pompa (15:49.472)
and our drain is slow, right? So we could open up the drain, but if too much is still coming in, it's gonna be very difficult to stop that problem just by opening up the drain. So we have to do both. have to open up the drain and we have to stop the input or slow it down, right? So let's say we can't stop it to our point, but if we can slow it down and open up the drain, now we stop all that water damage that's coming down,

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no, now we have to fix what's below, right? You know, so, because there's a lot of ceiling damage and a lot of other damage, but thank God the body heals itself. But the point is, is if we can slow down what we're putting in and then we can get it properly out of the body, because I'm going to be honest, if we answer that question, what's happened in the last 10 years, there's one word.

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Josh Dech - CHN (16:18.085)
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Dr Pompa (16:33.921)
It's bioaccumulation. Some of these toxins bioaccumulate, meaning they build up in our tissues, specifically our cells, and that's what I'm known for, is cellular detox. And that buildup slows the detox pathways down more and more and more. Now we're not adapting to that level of plastic that's coming in, the forever chemicals, the heavy metals, and now we get sick and that bucket overflows. But...

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If we can get ourselves doing what they were designed to do, starting to get rid of these things, right, that are coming in, because see, real detox is a cellular problem. It's not what we think, you know, you can't just sit in a sauna. It's good. I love saunas. I have one. But if we don't fix what's broken in the cell because of the onslaught of toxicity.

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Now we start building up more and more and more and more in the bucket and the bathtub overflows. So we have to fix what innate intelligence does every day. Detox happens every day. It's not a fancy diet. It's not a fancy juice cleanse. It's not what people think. You know, if you don't fit, I got my life back by fixing what was broken in my cells and I got my body doing what it needed to do day in, day out. And now I adapt amazing. I was

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EMF sensitive Josh, I couldn't sit anywhere near electromagnetic frequency because it was a stress and my bucket was so full I couldn't handle that stress like that glass analogy just a little bit of shake you know was causing this I couldn't handle the EMF right I couldn't handle perfume if someone sat next to me with perfume on her clone I had to get out otherwise my whole day maybe the next day would be ruined and I probably wouldn't sleep that night right so now I can sit in you know with people

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colonel and I can sit in a car with air freshener. Not that it's good for me necessarily, but I can tolerate it. How did I do it? I fixed those pathways in myself.

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Josh Dech - CHN (18:32.648)
This is such a great follow -up. I had just released an episode 90 recently here, all about drainage. We talked about drainage and detoxing drainage pathways. And Dan, you must be a listener to the show because we use the bathtub analogy, the cups overflowing, the shaking. We talk about reaching into the cup to pull things out and creating more pressure if you're not detoxing with proper drainage. So this is all on the same track. I think my listeners are very familiar with this.

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What I talk about is this macro level drainage. So it's going to be your livers and bile ducts and kidneys and lymphatics and all these drainage pathways. But you're talking about this on a micro drainage on a cellular level. I'd love to get into this. We keep talking about your story. Can we contextualize this? Can you tell us a bit about your story and really how you got to where you are and what you went through learning the importance of drainage and detoxing as it pertains to

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Dr Pompa (19:09.347)
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Dr Pompa (19:22.348)
Yeah, I when I realized, you know, like so many people, right, I chased, I did it all, right? I I knew my pathways weren't open, right?

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did all the liver stuff that people do, did all the sonus right. A lot of it was making me worse because something was still not right. I chased my thyroid, my adrenals, because hormonally I was a mess. I couldn't adapt to any stress. I wasn't sleeping, had a lot of anxiety. And I became like, you know, not adaptable to my environment as I pointed out. But I realized at one point

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my thyroid, my adrenals, it was the feedback mechanism that was broke. was the pituitary hypothalamus, adrenal axis and all that. That was all broke. So realizing that the pituitary hypothalamus sit in the center of the brain, at one point I realized that was the problem. I would try to address it and it would make a lot of symptoms worse. I just didn't know what was wrong. And one day I found Matt Hatter's disease. Matt Hatter's disease is people using mercury to make felt hats got

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basically all the symptoms that I had. And so I did a blood test and my test came out normal.

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So I was really disappointed. I was working with a very bright endocrinologist around that time or it was after that time. It was probably a year or so later and my body temperatures were really low and I was trying to get him to help me with my thyroid adrenals, all my hormones. And he said, you know, I think you have mercury toxicity. I'm like, I thought so too. did, you know, what test did you do? He asked me, a blood test, wrong test. That's if you had acute mercury poisoning, meaning exposure every day. Chronic mercury, but challenge it out of your

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Josh Dech - CHN (20:58.404)
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Dr Pompa (21:04.192)
you see what comes out. I didn't pull a lot of mercury, but man, I did that test and I thought I was gonna die. But I pulled a lot of abnormal metals and I could see that that was the problem. And so he said, did you have any dental work done around when this all happened? And I did. And I had two silver fillings removed which contained 50 % mercury. That sent my bucket overflowing.

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And so then I had to learn how do I get it out of my mouth, the rest of them correctly and out of my brain. Cause I also wore contact lenses. The saline solution 70s, 80s, early 90s had thimerosal, which is a mercury derivative. So I had a lot of mercury sources and I had to learn how to get it out of the brain because most of what's online about mercury is hogwash. Honestly, it's Corella, cilantro, just sit into a sauna. And again,

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that any of those things in themselves are bad it's just not that simple and so I had to learn and again it came through a lot of prayer but you know what God showed me is what I teach and so you know it really brought me down to the cell because I realized you know in my research I learned a lot about the cell membrane and the cell membrane is what allows things to come into the cell.

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in the toxins that come out. when that toxins accumulate, they accumulate in and around the cells. That membrane becomes non -fluid as it's called in the literature. And once that happens, now you can't detox normally. So I don't care if you get your liver right. When you don't fix that.

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those membranes, you don't have normal energy. So my five Rs actually is a roadmap that I teach from. number one is you have to remove the sources. That means what's coming into the bathtub. Our number two is you have to regenerate the cell membranes. And if you don't do that, you don't ever.

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Dr Pompa (23:01.418)
ever, ever detox normally. will battle this, that, and the other thing. You'll continually face what is going on with my gut and my liver, et cetera, et cetera, my lymph. So it leads to our number three, which is you have to restore cell energy. So energy is the keystone of real detox. Honestly, I sat in a room of some of the brightest scientists in the world. was me, Zach Bush, and it was Joe Mercola, but we weren't the bright ones in the room. I'm just saying it was this, the scientists.

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that were around us. And I said something like, that's not real detox. It's cell energy. And this bright scientist named John just spoke up and was like, pompa's right.

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That's the key. That's what's broken. It's, you know, bumble -bum. He said the cell will never detox. You'll never fix somebody. And he went on. Scientists get it. Doctors don't. I'll be honest. But anyways, restoring cell energy. And there's many ways we do that, right? know, light can be a factor there. and then our number four, just to get through them, is you have to reduce cellular inflammation.

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Josh Dech - CHN (23:53.992)
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Dr Pompa (24:05.698)
A lot of strategies I teach there and R5 is reestablishing methylation. Methylation parallels glutathione. Methylation is how your body, it's at the cornerstone of a lot of detox pathways, right? So that five R's, I literally was lecturing in California to a group of doctors and I was explaining that this is the key, the cell and these pathways and so excited.

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But I've lectured enough to know that I missed it. They didn't get it. I was the only excited one in the room. And I was on the airplane frustrated. I literally prayed. And then the ideas started coming. I picked up a notebook like this, and the five Rs was born. That's how it happened, honestly. And from that framework.

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My saying is you have to fix the cell to get well. And that's what we're missing. mean, honestly, that's the key. If you don't fix that, we're done. You're going to continue to turn on epigenetically all the bad genes. We have to fix the cell to get well. And real detox happens at the cell.

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Josh Dech - CHN (25:05.573)
That's amazing. I think it's really interesting that so many people have a five R's. I have a five R's. Everyone's got a five R's. Yours is a micro five R's. Others have like a macro five R's. And you know, I do. First R, remove the problem. You can't drain the bathtub if the tap is still running. It can be so simple. But I think so many of us look at what can I take? What can I add in? What can I consume? What pill can I buy? What supplement can I take to help fix my problem? I get asked all the time. What supplement can I take?

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Dr Pompa (25:21.101)
Yeah.

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Josh Dech - CHN (25:34.798)
to fix my IBD. Like, it's not that simple. the idea is everything in the body. I talk about this so much. Everything is a cause and effect reaction. Me flexing my arm on a cause and effect. It's the cause of contracted relaxed muscles. The effect is a bent arm. On a micro level, it's sodium, potassium, calcium, magnesium moving in and out of the cell, creating an electrical current which creates contraction. Everything's cause and effect. Inflammation in my eye. I pink eye.

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Dr Pompa (25:36.352)
I saw that.

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Josh Dech - CHN (26:02.981)
Probably should have washed my hands after touching my butt. If I've got inflammation in my bowel, I have something that caused a response from my immune system. The effect is inflammation labeled in this box of inflammatory bowel disease or whatever you have. It just makes sense, but medicine doesn't get it. And your story is very much a cause and effect. You established a root cause. You found the reason why this happens and you found that trickle down. You talk about upstream, well up the stream you had mercury.

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Dr Pompa (26:26.274)
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Josh Dech - CHN (26:32.302)
dumping into your body and down way all the fish were getting sick and you found the insert of the problem. And so how can people find the insert of their problem? Where does this start for them? What are the most common things they can identify besides the food and

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Dr Pompa (26:44.706)
Yeah, that's a great question because it brings me to a part of this solution as well, right? When we look at the people and because I've trained doctors for so long, right? We have big groups where we learn from and share with each other, experiment with things. You know, we've come up with some things that we call super toxins. Super toxins. I mean, there's a lot of different types toxins I call super toxins for different reasons, but.

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These are the big ones that alternative medicine is missing. Most people are missing. They're so nasty that they shut down cellular detox pathways horribly. And by the way, I'm not minimizing the need to open up these downstream pathways. It's part of my process. You have to keep the liver open. You have to keep the lymph open. You have to keep the gut open, right? It's part of my process, right? But where people misses what's happening at the cell.

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You know, these three toxins are devastating. again, alternative medicine misses it. And by the way, I'm very critical these days of our space. I don't know what to call it. Alternative medicine, functional medicine, nutrient, I mean, there's so many different names, right? But I think alternative medicine encapsulates a lot of it. We have become just as guilty as...

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regular medicine of missing the cause. Because I think it's all the new testing, all the genetic SNP testing that's so fun and excessive. But you know what it's done? It's got our focus off the cause. Genetics are never like, rarely is it the cause. What is it? 1 % of illnesses that are purely genetic. Epigenetics is far more meaning, but there's something that turns on the gene. It's like that's the key. But alternative medicine, we have missed it.

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all the microbiome testing, you know this. We wanted it to be more than it is, but it changes so rapidly. It's not that simple. And I'm not saying you don't do it. I'm not even saying there's not a benefit to this stuff. I'm not saying that. What I'm saying is some of the fanciness has taken us further off course to looking at these true, really reasons why people are so darn sick. Listen, I just had a conversation with somebody this morning. They lived in a moldy home.

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They had the financial means to do everything in the brains, the wherewithal, the connections to do everything that this earth has to get themselves well. And he did it. I'm almost willing to give his name, you know, because, you know, that's how powerful the story is. He did it all and he wasn't well. I found, he found me somehow talking about cause.

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I go through looking at these big super toxins. I'm going to tell you what they all are in a minute, right? And I already tipped my hand to one. And I'm looking at it, I said, man, so when did this happen? I'm kind of going back and forth right now. I said, yeah, you know, I'm worried about your house. No, I had it tested. I had it tested for mold. I had this, that we did that. And it was probably a month later where I'm like, you know, I'm going to send a guy out to your house.

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You know, not that I don't believe you, not that I don't trust you. I just want to make sure because nothing that was leading into this direction that I thought this guy is absolutely biotoxically poisoned. That's a map nasty super toxin. My guy goes in and within an hour in the house, he's sending me pictures saying, I think I'm going to stop this, this inspection because this guy needs to get out of this house now.

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Meaning, he found things that all the mold testers didn't find because this guy knows how to go deeper. The bottom line is we got him out of that house, cellular detox, he got his life back.

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only to be re -exposed later, another part of the story, to another mold exposure. like, boom, quicker, sicker, got sick again. Mold, because of the way we build homes in this country, we put literally mold food behind this wall is mold food. Behind your wall is mold food because you live in the United States. What I mean by that is it's dry wall with paper. Cellulose feeds mold, just add water, the spores are there, and that gets wet, we dry it, we move on, but now we have

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dormant mold problems, still releasing biotoxins, making us sick. It's so common that most people are under some type of biotoxic exposure. And my point is this, you won't fix your gut because these biotoxins are so nasty. You're better off eating a bottle of plastic a day than literally being in a moldy home. I'm not kidding. They are devastating to the microbiome. They are devastating to your nerve system.

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That's one super toxins. Yes, heavy metals or other super toxins. The problem here is we buy into bad testing. That's not true. And doctors don't detox it correctly. The third one, and I'll just open up the top three, is hidden infections.

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that now they might not even be what made you sick, but most people will never fix their microbiome if they have cavitations, root canals, these infections that are so nasty, they go right there with mold. They're devastating to your immune system. And you can try to get rid of your parasites and your candida and all of it. You'll never get rid of it. Even mercury's that way. I battled back parasites.

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to yet another and another one and another one. Candida same way, Candida infection after Candida infection. Until I got my mercury down, I couldn't get rid of my Epstein -Barr, I couldn't get rid of my parasites, and I couldn't get rid of my Candida. Mold does that, heavy metals do that, these infections that people don't know that are there do that. So those are just three of the nasty super toxins that decimate people's health and their microbiome.

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I love this idea of these super toxins. These are things I see again all the time. We had a little boy come in, I can use his name, his mom's given me permission, little boy named Rocco came in five years old to see us, really severe inflammatory bowel disease. So he's got ulcerative colitis. I'm not sure if it was quite pan colitis. So was almost his entire colon, really highly inflamed, five, 10 bowel movements a day, blood, mucus, this little boy, five years old

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He was walking, limping around his house. He was gray in color, hair was falling out. He just wasn't feeling good. He looked like he was dying. And so his doctor said, well, again, it's just genetic. It's autoimmune. There's nothing we can do. It's a random thing, of course. And so mom went and got a stool sample and it came back and his gut bacteria was all over the place, completely blown out, which I've seen in people with mega infections, traveling to Amsterdam and doing drugs, history of antibiotics. I'm like, he's five. He's never been to Amsterdam. So what's the problem?

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Well, we looked at the whole family and mom had scalp issues and scalp psoriasis and itchiness, dryness. Dad has asthma. Two younger siblings have cognitive behavioral issues, temper issues, mood and temper tantrums. I thought, huh, it sounds an awful lot like a mold infection. And so just to be sure, yep, we ran and got a microtoxin test, did a urine test, 16 different strains of toxic mold in this little boy's body. And props to them, immediately the parents moved out of that

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Absolutely. Yeah, and remind me to talk about testing. But my son, this is my son. This is my son, 24 year old son. He gets irritable bowel, uncontrolled diarrhea, constipation, diarrhea, constipation, the whole thing. And of course,

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You know, we have the connections to do everything and we do everything, including a fecal microbial transplant that helped and didn't. then, I mean, everything, you name it, we did it. Every parasite protocol, because that came out positive and wasn't getting well. I said, Isaac, he went to Japan for a longer spell. Yeah, it was so much better. Yeah, it could have been the food, but he eats good. Anyway.

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So we determined his apartment, which didn't have mold, but something different. He had a cat that was peeing all over the place. And pet urine can create different bacterias. Bottom line is he was biotoxically sick, affecting his microbiome. That's why nothing was working. And of course,

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Once we got them out of their different story. the point is, as matter of fact, I had another case like that. And Cameron, if you're listening, Cameron George from CavaPlex loved him, but you know, I was actually the guy who, you know, got Cameron well and he would tell you that he had an apartment. Long story how this happened, but he had these animals that were in this apartment that he was accumulating and they defecated all over the house. And the same thing happened. This weird biotoxic load.

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build up and partly mold, partly weird biotoxins, bacteria, etc. funguses and it got him sick to the point where his life was not functional for many years and he almost died. of fact, ironically on that story, he went 11 days without food or water because his microbiome became... he had one water, good old Mountain Valley water that he could drink.

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And once he became allergic to that water, they brought him to the hospital and he couldn't even handle an IV. They literally sent him home to die. His father, John, called me and I said, well, it ain't intelligence.

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His body will let you know when it can drink or eat again. And that's exactly what happened. And after about 10 days, he started, he started getting thirsty and I said, give him some water, give him the water that he used to do good with the mountain valley. And then he was able to accept water. And then it was one food, two foods, three foods. Anyways, Cameron is running a company called Calvaplex amazing company, but, yeah, big story there. But the point is there, I hope people hear this message, right? These biotoxins are nasty.

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Just like heavy metals, they're not normal. they not only fill their bucket. It's like dropping a boulder into the bucket and the water's going everywhere. Right. And you're not going to get well if you have them. And I can tell you that most people that have been sick a long time, I say the same thing. And if you had my doctors on here, like, you know, Ben and others, would say, Papa would say, you just haven't found the upstream cause yet. There's still something upstream. I've been doing this perfect diet, doing this, did it. You still have something you haven't found. And that's when we dig

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into sometimes we need cone beams to look at cavitations. Sometimes these things aren't what make you sick, but they keep you from getting well because your immune system is in what we call a cellular danger response. That means it wants to save your life and it's doing so because it is reacting to every neurotoxin and every stress and an overreaction and it drives its own inflammation. And some of these cavitations and hidden infections can keep you in that state. And when we find those and get rid of them,

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It's unbelievable. I mean the bacteria and that training I did this morning a woman told her story about how she finally, you know, was on this thing. This was better. This was better. This wasn't better. Her gut still wasn't better. Still very reactive to supplements even. She found this cavitation because she watched one of my podcasts and I was interviewing I think Dr. Jerry Curatola and boom, that was it.

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The final straw, and now everything seemed to work. Her diet now worked, her supplements worked, her thyroid fixed itself. I'm telling you, it is about getting upstream, Josh. It really is, and doing it right, and that's where my teaching comes in.

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Josh Dech - CHN (38:36.856)
That's incredible. The body really is designed to heal. And it's so funny. I talked to you, I've talked to many out there who have this idea that the body is designed to heal. And I think it's really interesting. I don't necessarily use medicine as a way to evangelize it. But I think it's really cool that some of the top professionals in the world just happen to see that God made everything to heal and fix itself. And when we take this lens, rather than assuming that our DNA is faulty,

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or flawed or that the world is poisoned out to get us and that our only hope is pharmaceutical drugs to band -aid and manage our symptoms. If we can instead look at this and go, what is it trying to heal from? Inate intelligence, it's designed remarkably. There are hundreds of different mechanisms and checks and balances to heal on a macro and micro level. What is it that we're doing to disrupt this perfect design that can lead us to actual healing? And we have that innate knowledge and information. The world changes.

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Yeah, you know, I mean, it is functioning from that major premise that God designed our bodies and all we can do is really good physicians and coaches and is remove the interference and the body does in fact heal, know, but the problem is, that finding those interferences sometimes is tricky, right? And emptying the bucket, you know, and, slowing down that input, right? But, you know, it definitely has gotten harder today because of the input is so great,

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As I said, and I'll repeat, thank God the body heals itself, but it is the resilience, the power of that innate intelligence. It's amazing. The body can heal from anything. I have seen it. You have seen it, right? But it can't when it's up against this onslaught of toxins that are so nasty, neurotoxins. Think about what heals the body, right? The brain.

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Innate intelligence is there and it's in every cell of our body, right? In the connection between the gut and the brain, right? I'm pointing to my head and my stomach. You know, and this innate intelligence, it's remarkable. But neurotoxins, they go into the nerves. They attack the nerves, right? The biggest nerve in the body is this, is this right here. I'm a believer that you can't fix this gut without fixing, or this brain without figuring, I'm putting it into my stomach without fixing this brain in the stomach.

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fixing the brain between the ears. But I'm also a believer that you can't fix this brain without fixing this brain, right? But I think that where I find myself reminding doctors today is like because the microbiome is so exciting, the research, but let's not forget about this brain. This brain is poison. I didn't get my life back until I got the mercury out of my brain.

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And that didn't happen overnight. It didn't happen with a foot bath or cilantro. It's not that simple, right? But I got my life back when I got this brain working. And then my vagus nerve.

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relaxed because I had vagal toxicity and that controls the gut and now my gut started getting normal motility and now my bacteria had a chance and now all the SIBO, small intestinal bacteria that were up there now started going away because my gut started moving again. You see, these neurotoxins are affecting our gut too and that's a whole other conversation. Exciting conversation.

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Josh Dech - CHN (42:04.67)
It's a very exciting conversation. think you can sometimes feel daunting, but ultimately there's a plan, right? There is a start, there's a finish, there's a root cause, there's a downstream, and then there's the effect. It's all cause and effect. And I think something people often struggle with is they end up trading in their pharmaceuticals to go quote natural, and they just end up on plant -based medication because they're not actually fixing the root cause. They're taking all these things to continue managing their symptoms, but you're saying there's more to

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You can trade the pharmaceuticals for the herbs, but if you're dependent, it's plant -based medication and it's not a solution. And so we're getting to the root. So you talked about some of these super toxins. I mean, you talked about heavy metals, you've talked about mold, you've talked about hidden infections, and there's a couple more that you actually mentioned as well. I believe you said there was five, is that right?

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No, I said I was going to hit the major three, but there are... Well, only because I'm like, okay, wait a minute, some of these other ones actually, you know,

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know, causative in nature. I look, I mean, I think that when, you know, I would put glyphosate up there because, you know, it is opening up these barriers, right? It's not a normal toxin, let's face it, right? Plastic mimics hormones, xenoestrogens, and I can't tell you how many people, you know, are being poisoned by plastic,

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It also doesn't do what glyphosate does, right? And because it has such an impact on the microbiome and the microbiome has such an impact on us. So, you I would put that into that category. But you know what, can I, you just said something though that triggered something in me. I'm thinking about our listeners and our viewers, right? And I know what they're dealing with out there. And you just kind of hedged on something. It's like, you know how many people out there

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are know they're hormonally not right. Hormone havoc is happening. Thyroid we've talked a little bit about, right? They have adrenal issues. They have estrogen, progesterone, low testosterone. It might be 80 to 90.

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Yeah, close to a hundred percent of our listeners out there. In our space, bioidentical hormones have really caught on. I think it's almost like we have to have this conversation if we want to really impact our listeners. It's a hard conversation, Josh, because I think we would all agree there's a time and a place for hormones. But what I teach my practitioners and doctors

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It's not as easy as we think. Just giving people hormones is a very static treatment. And the reason I say this, we kind of talked about this innate intelligence, right? If we looked at hormones daily, hormones change moment by moment, need by need. It's so complicated, but innate intelligence has this perfect control. But yet we live in this world of plastic and forever chemicals and all these stressors that we're talking about that are decimating our hormones.

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Don't we need them? But it's not that easy. Most people listening to my voice right now are probably taking hormones, being supported by hormones. Yes, maybe your audience is probably bioidentical hormones, which is better. But yet they would all say, yeah, but I still don't feel great.

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I felt best when I started them and now maybe not so much. There's reasons for that. It's because it's not getting to the real cause, right? And again, I'm not saying that there's not a time and a place to take it, but this hormone game that we're trying to win, it's not the answer, Josh. And unfortunately, alternative medicine has fallen into making the right hormone fixes, gonna fix you up. And it's not so simple. I wanna bring some sanity around

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because again my hormones were horrible. I told that story. I was working with one of the top endocrinologists in the country, you know, but again it took me going, wait a minute, if I didn't fix this problem my mercury levels...

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It does that once in a while just pops up a big grey thumbs up

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Josh Dech - CHN (46:17.844)
It's a super thumb it happens once in a while just with the riverside recording Not sure why it says your browser is doing it, but I do have great audio So I wouldn't stress it too much. You have this great thumbs up pose though. That's what we're

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Josh Dech - CHN (47:09.26)
It's really interesting things seem to go in fives in the functional medicine space you talked about the five Rs we talked about my five hours and your five hours we talked about five super toxins and I like to talk about the five whys Why why why why why you come in okay my hormones are a mess why? Well my liver and my gut are all junked up, and I'm not converting my thyroid properly okay, why?

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We have to keep going down until we figure out what the root cause of these things are. And once we have that, we can establish these whys. Now we can really get to the root cause in the upstream. And so, so many people out there, Dr. Pompa, are looking for some kind of answer. And obviously we can't fix everyone in a one hour podcast. It's just not enough. But the five Rs, remove the sources, regenerate the cell membranes, restore cellular integrity, reduce cellular inflammation and

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Methylation these are incredibly critical steps. What might these look like for somebody? Tangibly speaking who's listening to this and going okay. I understand dr. Pompa's real detox I've not been detoxing for real I've been just sweating or red light therapy or doing a juice cleanse the real detox is the five Rs What are these steps? Tangibly for them to begin

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Josh Dech - CHN (54:42.649)
Well, I appreciate that recognition. You know, our job as clinicians, your job as a doctor is to help people understand that these problems exist, but in doing so, it can often make it sound like it's so simple, can be taken with a pill. Once again, contradicting everything we're trying to say. And we get back into this process over and over and over again. And I love that you did bring that

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Josh Dech - CHN (55:51.084)
Well, there's a lot there and Dr. Pampa, I want to respect your time. I know you're a busy man. You've been back to back all day. I appreciate you just giving us this time here to come and just learn from you. Absolutely brilliant. One question before we start wrapping things up, is there anything we haven't touched on or haven't talked about completely open table that you'd like to just throw out the listeners?

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Yes.

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Josh Dech - CHN (59:18.34)
Amazing. Well, I know you're one of the busiest people I know. And so if we do have time or less enough to have you back on, I would absolutely love to explore that diet conversation. I have so many thoughts on this that we'd love to dive into. But for now, we do have to bring this wonderful interview to a close. Dr. Pampa, how can people reach you besides everywhere?

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Josh Dech - CHN (01:00:01.494)
Wonderful. Well, thank you so much, Daniel, for being here. It's been an absolute delight. I really enjoyed our conversation. I'll be looking forward to chatting with you again sometime in the very near future.