1 00:00:00,375 --> 00:00:02,083 Most of ocean conservation jobs have 2 00:00:02,083 --> 00:00:03,666 never been posted publicly. 3 00:00:04,291 --> 00:00:05,041 So how are people 4 00:00:05,041 --> 00:00:06,500 actually getting those jobs? 5 00:00:07,083 --> 00:00:08,916 Because if you've been applying online, 6 00:00:09,166 --> 00:00:11,458 sending resumes and hearing nothing back, 7 00:00:12,083 --> 00:00:13,125 you're not doing it wrong. 8 00:00:13,541 --> 00:00:15,166 You're just playing the wrong game. 9 00:00:15,833 --> 00:00:16,791 This is the How to Protect the Ocean 10 00:00:16,791 --> 00:00:19,000 podcast, your weekday ocean news and 11 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:20,375 career insight podcast. 12 00:00:20,750 --> 00:00:22,916 If you care about building a career in 13 00:00:22,916 --> 00:00:24,291 ocean conservation and science, 14 00:00:24,583 --> 00:00:25,375 hit that follow button 15 00:00:25,375 --> 00:00:26,666 right now because this week, 16 00:00:26,708 --> 00:00:28,791 we're going to be talking about how to 17 00:00:28,791 --> 00:00:30,958 get jobs in marine science and 18 00:00:30,958 --> 00:00:32,416 conservation for the 19 00:00:32,416 --> 00:00:34,541 next five episode Friday. 20 00:00:35,041 --> 00:00:36,000 I'm going to be talking about something 21 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:37,208 that happened recently to me, 22 00:00:37,500 --> 00:00:38,583 but a new job change 23 00:00:38,583 --> 00:00:39,458 is going to be exciting. 24 00:00:39,666 --> 00:00:41,541 I'm looking forward to doing it and I use 25 00:00:41,541 --> 00:00:42,541 a lot of the skills. 26 00:00:42,541 --> 00:00:44,458 I've used a lot of the skills that we 27 00:00:44,458 --> 00:00:45,625 talked about here and a lot of the 28 00:00:45,625 --> 00:00:46,875 strategies we talk about this week. 29 00:00:47,125 --> 00:00:49,041 So don't forget to hit that follow button 30 00:00:49,041 --> 00:00:51,958 so you can tune into this week's, all of 31 00:00:51,958 --> 00:00:52,750 this week's episodes. 32 00:00:53,625 --> 00:00:55,500 All right, so here's the truth that most 33 00:00:55,500 --> 00:00:57,375 people won't tell you about jobs. 34 00:00:57,791 --> 00:00:59,416 A huge percentage of the jobs in ocean 35 00:00:59,416 --> 00:01:00,583 conservation are filled 36 00:01:00,583 --> 00:01:02,208 before they're ever even posted. 37 00:01:02,583 --> 00:01:04,000 Not because it's unfair, 38 00:01:04,666 --> 00:01:05,916 but it's because it's easier. 39 00:01:06,541 --> 00:01:07,416 Think about it from a 40 00:01:07,416 --> 00:01:08,791 hiring manager's perspective. 41 00:01:08,791 --> 00:01:10,416 If you already know someone, you've 42 00:01:10,416 --> 00:01:11,541 worked with them in the field, 43 00:01:11,833 --> 00:01:14,750 you met them at a conference or you see 44 00:01:14,750 --> 00:01:15,875 you've seen how they 45 00:01:15,875 --> 00:01:16,875 think or communicate. 46 00:01:17,875 --> 00:01:20,166 Why would you sort through 200 cold 47 00:01:20,166 --> 00:01:22,625 applications or probably more these days 48 00:01:22,625 --> 00:01:24,625 like 800 cold applications? 49 00:01:25,333 --> 00:01:27,500 You wouldn't you would just write. 50 00:01:27,791 --> 00:01:29,500 You'd rather just reach out and say, hey, 51 00:01:29,791 --> 00:01:31,041 are you available to work this job? 52 00:01:31,500 --> 00:01:33,500 And that's that's the hidden job market. 53 00:01:33,791 --> 00:01:35,250 It's built on referrals, 54 00:01:35,250 --> 00:01:37,000 collaborations and relationships. 55 00:01:37,625 --> 00:01:39,916 And this is why cold applications feel 56 00:01:39,916 --> 00:01:43,000 like they disappear into a void because 57 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:44,000 most of the real 58 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:46,791 opportunities never make it that far. 59 00:01:46,833 --> 00:01:50,875 I have been applying for jobs for the 60 00:01:50,875 --> 00:01:54,041 last probably two decades and a lot of 61 00:01:54,041 --> 00:01:55,750 the times there was a while where I was 62 00:01:55,750 --> 00:01:56,875 getting interviews and stuff. 63 00:01:57,041 --> 00:01:59,833 But lately it the game has changed folks. 64 00:02:00,291 --> 00:02:02,041 You know, people are getting, you know, 65 00:02:02,208 --> 00:02:04,000 three, four hundred, five hundred, six 66 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:04,625 hundred up to 800 67 00:02:04,625 --> 00:02:06,791 resumes for one job posting. 68 00:02:06,791 --> 00:02:08,291 Most people don't even apply, like don't 69 00:02:08,291 --> 00:02:10,708 even qualify for the position, but 70 00:02:10,708 --> 00:02:12,083 they're still applying and that just 71 00:02:12,083 --> 00:02:13,833 makes it even more 72 00:02:13,833 --> 00:02:16,083 difficult for people to get through. 73 00:02:16,125 --> 00:02:17,541 And the right candidate to get through. 74 00:02:17,541 --> 00:02:18,875 So doesn't mean that you don't qualify 75 00:02:18,875 --> 00:02:20,208 for that position and you 76 00:02:20,208 --> 00:02:21,500 don't deserve that position. 77 00:02:21,500 --> 00:02:23,166 It just means you're not being seen. 78 00:02:23,708 --> 00:02:25,166 And because sometimes when the job is 79 00:02:25,166 --> 00:02:26,958 posted, there's already somebody that 80 00:02:26,958 --> 00:02:27,916 they have in mind for it. 81 00:02:27,916 --> 00:02:29,041 They just have to post it. 82 00:02:29,250 --> 00:02:31,666 So it's working against you in a way just 83 00:02:31,666 --> 00:02:33,416 to post to those resumes. 84 00:02:33,416 --> 00:02:33,916 So we're going to talk 85 00:02:33,916 --> 00:02:35,000 more about that today. 86 00:02:35,708 --> 00:02:37,500 Now, here's where, you know, people get 87 00:02:37,500 --> 00:02:38,958 networking completely wrong because 88 00:02:38,958 --> 00:02:41,500 networking is a big, a big part of this. 89 00:02:41,500 --> 00:02:44,000 They think it means, hey, can you help me 90 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:46,250 get a job or can you get me a job? 91 00:02:46,250 --> 00:02:47,500 Do you know if there's a job available? 92 00:02:48,041 --> 00:02:49,208 That stuff doesn't work. 93 00:02:49,666 --> 00:02:51,666 Networking is not asking for something. 94 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:52,958 It's about becoming 95 00:02:52,958 --> 00:02:54,208 someone people recognize. 96 00:02:55,208 --> 00:02:55,666 It's about 97 00:02:55,666 --> 00:02:58,041 familiarity, trust, consistency. 98 00:02:59,125 --> 00:03:00,625 And when your name comes up, someone 99 00:03:00,625 --> 00:03:02,500 thinks, yeah, I know them. 100 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:03,750 They're pretty solid. 101 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:05,541 They'd be good at this position or they'd 102 00:03:05,541 --> 00:03:07,041 be good at that or I know them. 103 00:03:07,041 --> 00:03:07,625 They're really good. 104 00:03:08,291 --> 00:03:09,125 That's networking. 105 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:12,000 And it doesn't happen in one message. 106 00:03:12,500 --> 00:03:14,083 It happens over time. 107 00:03:14,083 --> 00:03:15,500 You have to invest that time. 108 00:03:16,208 --> 00:03:17,500 So where does this actually 109 00:03:17,500 --> 00:03:19,041 happen in ocean conservation? 110 00:03:19,666 --> 00:03:20,791 There's a few key places. 111 00:03:20,791 --> 00:03:22,458 If you get to conferences, this is still 112 00:03:22,458 --> 00:03:24,875 one of the biggest ones that like biggest 113 00:03:24,875 --> 00:03:26,625 means of getting that type of 114 00:03:26,625 --> 00:03:27,625 relationship or building 115 00:03:27,625 --> 00:03:29,375 those link those relationships. 116 00:03:29,916 --> 00:03:32,208 Even small regional ones would really 117 00:03:32,208 --> 00:03:34,791 help because the people there, they're 118 00:03:34,791 --> 00:03:38,375 the ones that are the ones that are going 119 00:03:38,375 --> 00:03:39,291 to doing the work, right? 120 00:03:39,291 --> 00:03:40,000 They're the ones who 121 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:41,000 are the hiring managers. 122 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:42,458 They're the ones who are doing the work. 123 00:03:42,458 --> 00:03:44,250 They're the ones who are going out and 124 00:03:44,250 --> 00:03:45,250 saying, hey, you know what? 125 00:03:45,541 --> 00:03:48,041 Like I know of this person is looking for 126 00:03:48,041 --> 00:03:49,750 someone or hey, I'd like to get to know 127 00:03:49,750 --> 00:03:51,083 what you do all that kind of stuff. 128 00:03:51,833 --> 00:03:52,833 So conferences are still one 129 00:03:52,833 --> 00:03:54,041 of the best places to do that. 130 00:03:54,083 --> 00:03:54,916 They can be far and 131 00:03:54,916 --> 00:03:55,625 they can be expensive. 132 00:03:55,916 --> 00:03:57,291 I know that but if you can get yourself 133 00:03:57,291 --> 00:03:58,958 to a conference, that's the best way to 134 00:03:58,958 --> 00:03:59,708 do it, especially if it's 135 00:03:59,708 --> 00:04:02,416 local webinars and virtual events. 136 00:04:03,166 --> 00:04:04,166 Probably underrated. 137 00:04:04,791 --> 00:04:06,916 But people show up consistently ask good 138 00:04:06,916 --> 00:04:08,583 questions and get noticed. 139 00:04:08,625 --> 00:04:10,875 If you if you've always noticed anytime 140 00:04:10,875 --> 00:04:12,333 you're on a webinar, you probably see the 141 00:04:12,333 --> 00:04:13,708 same people that come over, especially if 142 00:04:13,708 --> 00:04:16,083 it's part of the same group that those 143 00:04:16,083 --> 00:04:17,833 people stand out and eventually build 144 00:04:17,833 --> 00:04:18,916 those help build those relationship. 145 00:04:19,083 --> 00:04:20,500 It's like your way into those 146 00:04:20,500 --> 00:04:22,708 relationship and LinkedIn is still one of 147 00:04:22,708 --> 00:04:25,875 the best social media tools if you use it 148 00:04:25,875 --> 00:04:28,375 properly, not for cold pitching like hey, 149 00:04:28,375 --> 00:04:29,416 I'm looking for a job. 150 00:04:29,833 --> 00:04:32,583 It's for commenting sharing ideas and 151 00:04:32,583 --> 00:04:35,041 showing you understand the space. 152 00:04:35,833 --> 00:04:37,208 So don't forget about LinkedIn. 153 00:04:37,541 --> 00:04:39,041 Like, you know, one of the things that I 154 00:04:39,041 --> 00:04:40,250 noticed about LinkedIn, a lot of science 155 00:04:40,250 --> 00:04:41,500 people on there, there's a lot of 156 00:04:41,500 --> 00:04:42,791 conservation people in the oceans on 157 00:04:42,791 --> 00:04:45,458 there and like like CEOs and presidents 158 00:04:45,458 --> 00:04:46,458 and things like that. 159 00:04:46,458 --> 00:04:47,833 Those are probably not the ones you're 160 00:04:47,833 --> 00:04:49,375 looking to get job, but you can still 161 00:04:49,375 --> 00:04:51,625 build a name out for yourself through 162 00:04:51,625 --> 00:04:53,833 there, not only by commenting, but by 163 00:04:53,833 --> 00:04:55,625 posting your own stuff, you know, looking 164 00:04:55,625 --> 00:04:58,083 at how you feel about certain aspects of 165 00:04:58,083 --> 00:04:59,625 the business or certain aspects of a 166 00:04:59,625 --> 00:05:01,750 project or study that you either put out 167 00:05:01,750 --> 00:05:04,041 or paper that you've put out or even just 168 00:05:04,041 --> 00:05:05,708 like what people what you've seen and 169 00:05:05,708 --> 00:05:06,458 commented on what 170 00:05:06,458 --> 00:05:07,500 you've seen that's come out. 171 00:05:07,750 --> 00:05:09,166 And of course, as you know, 172 00:05:09,500 --> 00:05:11,250 I'm a big fan of podcasts. 173 00:05:11,500 --> 00:05:13,500 So I would say podcast is another one and 174 00:05:13,500 --> 00:05:14,416 this is where you 175 00:05:14,416 --> 00:05:15,666 have an unfair advantage. 176 00:05:15,666 --> 00:05:18,375 You don't need permission to reach out to 177 00:05:18,375 --> 00:05:20,708 someone and say, hey, I'd love to feature 178 00:05:20,708 --> 00:05:21,958 your work on my podcast. 179 00:05:22,333 --> 00:05:23,166 That's not networking. 180 00:05:23,500 --> 00:05:25,791 It's value and it builds relationships 181 00:05:25,791 --> 00:05:27,791 faster than almost anything else. 182 00:05:27,791 --> 00:05:29,708 And I'll tell you why as someone who's 183 00:05:29,708 --> 00:05:33,333 run a podcast for the last 11 years, I 184 00:05:33,333 --> 00:05:34,750 would say I've my 185 00:05:34,750 --> 00:05:37,500 network has increased in value. 186 00:05:37,500 --> 00:05:40,750 Because of the podcast because when I 187 00:05:40,750 --> 00:05:42,500 interview someone, I'm not just 188 00:05:42,500 --> 00:05:44,500 interviewing them for the hour 45 minutes 189 00:05:44,500 --> 00:05:45,333 to an hour that I have 190 00:05:45,333 --> 00:05:46,291 them on the on the show. 191 00:05:46,416 --> 00:05:48,416 I'm actually talking to them talking to 192 00:05:48,416 --> 00:05:49,541 them maybe in a pre interview. 193 00:05:49,791 --> 00:05:51,666 So for another hour before that or half 194 00:05:51,666 --> 00:05:53,666 hour before that or like 15 minutes 195 00:05:53,666 --> 00:05:55,041 before the interview, but the after 196 00:05:55,041 --> 00:05:58,125 interview is really where things kind of 197 00:05:58,125 --> 00:06:00,416 pop off in terms of deepening the value 198 00:06:00,416 --> 00:06:01,375 of the relationship. 199 00:06:01,875 --> 00:06:03,750 That's where now they feel comfortable. 200 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:05,375 You they know what the interviews like. 201 00:06:05,416 --> 00:06:07,791 They're not as nervous to do the 202 00:06:07,791 --> 00:06:09,333 interview and the guests are like, hey, 203 00:06:09,333 --> 00:06:09,958 like what do you how 204 00:06:09,958 --> 00:06:10,958 often do you do this? 205 00:06:10,958 --> 00:06:12,708 A lot of times I talk about the podcast, 206 00:06:12,916 --> 00:06:14,625 the success of it where like when I'm 207 00:06:14,625 --> 00:06:16,416 going to post it, but also like, oh, that 208 00:06:16,416 --> 00:06:18,000 project you mentioned in the interview. 209 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:18,583 That's really cool. 210 00:06:18,583 --> 00:06:19,041 Can you just tell me a 211 00:06:19,041 --> 00:06:20,000 little bit more about it? 212 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:21,458 And and we've had really great 213 00:06:21,458 --> 00:06:23,500 conversations up to like three hours, you 214 00:06:23,500 --> 00:06:24,333 know, in conversations 215 00:06:24,333 --> 00:06:25,958 after an episode of that. 216 00:06:26,208 --> 00:06:28,708 So I think it's really good to look at 217 00:06:28,708 --> 00:06:30,416 doing your own podcast. 218 00:06:30,416 --> 00:06:31,958 We're going to talk about that tomorrow. 219 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:34,750 So don't forget to follow because you're 220 00:06:34,750 --> 00:06:35,916 going to want to hear tomorrow's episode. 221 00:06:36,958 --> 00:06:37,708 But let's be honest, like 222 00:06:37,708 --> 00:06:39,791 reaching out can be awkward. 223 00:06:40,166 --> 00:06:41,166 So let's make this practical. 224 00:06:41,750 --> 00:06:42,875 Here's what not to do. 225 00:06:42,875 --> 00:06:44,583 Hey, I'm looking for a job. 226 00:06:44,916 --> 00:06:45,500 Can you help me? 227 00:06:45,875 --> 00:06:46,625 Do not do that. 228 00:06:46,625 --> 00:06:48,416 Please do not do that, especially for 229 00:06:48,416 --> 00:06:50,166 people who are not in the 230 00:06:50,166 --> 00:06:51,500 position of hiring, right? 231 00:06:51,500 --> 00:06:52,500 And even if you're hiring some of that 232 00:06:52,500 --> 00:06:53,291 stuff, not the first 233 00:06:53,291 --> 00:06:54,208 thing you want to say. 234 00:06:54,583 --> 00:06:55,916 It puts pressure on someone 235 00:06:55,916 --> 00:06:58,500 who has no idea who you are. 236 00:06:58,833 --> 00:06:59,916 Instead, do this. 237 00:07:00,125 --> 00:07:01,500 First example, comment on their podcast. 238 00:07:01,500 --> 00:07:02,750 Comment on their post or 239 00:07:02,750 --> 00:07:03,833 something that they've put up. 240 00:07:04,125 --> 00:07:05,750 Find a post and say something thoughtful. 241 00:07:06,041 --> 00:07:07,875 It's like, hey, really interesting point 242 00:07:07,875 --> 00:07:09,708 about enforcement of MPAs. 243 00:07:09,708 --> 00:07:11,875 Let's just say I hadn't thought about how 244 00:07:11,875 --> 00:07:13,166 staffing levels impact 245 00:07:13,166 --> 00:07:14,458 outcomes that directly. 246 00:07:15,208 --> 00:07:16,166 Now they've seen your name. 247 00:07:16,166 --> 00:07:17,458 They're going to look especially if not a 248 00:07:17,458 --> 00:07:18,625 lot of people are commenting on it. 249 00:07:18,625 --> 00:07:20,583 Even if they are just comment, you'll get 250 00:07:20,583 --> 00:07:21,958 there and if you start doing it enough 251 00:07:21,958 --> 00:07:23,791 and you have valuable comments, people 252 00:07:23,791 --> 00:07:25,041 are like that person's insightful. 253 00:07:25,583 --> 00:07:26,083 I'm going to keep my 254 00:07:26,083 --> 00:07:27,125 eye out on that person. 255 00:07:27,375 --> 00:07:28,791 Not stay for a job, but they're just 256 00:07:28,791 --> 00:07:30,041 like, oh, this person asked really 257 00:07:30,041 --> 00:07:30,833 insightful questions. 258 00:07:31,500 --> 00:07:32,916 Then of course, is the follow up message. 259 00:07:33,541 --> 00:07:34,833 You can say like, hey, I saw 260 00:07:34,833 --> 00:07:36,250 your post on MPA enforcement. 261 00:07:36,833 --> 00:07:38,375 Really appreciated the perspective. 262 00:07:38,833 --> 00:07:39,416 I'm trying to learn 263 00:07:39,416 --> 00:07:40,583 more about this space. 264 00:07:40,958 --> 00:07:42,916 Any resources you'd recommend. 265 00:07:42,916 --> 00:07:45,333 So not, hey, can you, can I talk to you? 266 00:07:45,375 --> 00:07:47,250 No, it's any resources you recommend. 267 00:07:47,375 --> 00:07:48,666 You're not asking for a job. 268 00:07:49,041 --> 00:07:50,875 You're starting a conversation by asking 269 00:07:50,875 --> 00:07:52,416 a question of just like, do you have any 270 00:07:52,416 --> 00:07:54,125 more resources about this space? 271 00:07:54,125 --> 00:07:55,666 Because they might have more papers or 272 00:07:55,666 --> 00:07:56,875 they might be part of an organization 273 00:07:56,875 --> 00:07:58,666 that deals with MPAs, all 274 00:07:58,666 --> 00:07:59,583 that kind of stuff, right? 275 00:07:59,583 --> 00:08:01,125 And then there's example three. 276 00:08:02,041 --> 00:08:03,541 We're looking at podcast angle. 277 00:08:03,541 --> 00:08:04,916 So we talked a little bit about this, but 278 00:08:04,916 --> 00:08:06,333 you get to reach out to people say, hey, 279 00:08:06,666 --> 00:08:09,375 I run a podcast on ocean conservation and 280 00:08:09,375 --> 00:08:10,833 I'd love to highlight your work. 281 00:08:11,208 --> 00:08:12,208 Would you be open to 282 00:08:12,208 --> 00:08:13,791 do a short interview? 283 00:08:14,083 --> 00:08:15,208 This does three things. 284 00:08:15,208 --> 00:08:17,041 It gives them exposure, builds your 285 00:08:17,041 --> 00:08:18,916 network and position you as someone 286 00:08:18,916 --> 00:08:20,875 that's contributing, right? 287 00:08:21,291 --> 00:08:22,500 And that's powerful. 288 00:08:22,750 --> 00:08:24,333 That's really, really powerful. 289 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:26,000 But here's the part that 290 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:27,208 most people don't want to hear. 291 00:08:27,916 --> 00:08:29,583 Networking takes time. 292 00:08:29,625 --> 00:08:31,916 A lot of time in some cases, you don't 293 00:08:31,916 --> 00:08:33,375 send one message and then 294 00:08:33,375 --> 00:08:34,916 and get a job the next week. 295 00:08:34,916 --> 00:08:36,083 That's just not the way it works. 296 00:08:36,500 --> 00:08:38,125 What actually works is showing up 297 00:08:38,125 --> 00:08:40,500 consistently, engaging with people over 298 00:08:40,500 --> 00:08:42,041 time, sharing what 299 00:08:42,041 --> 00:08:44,625 you've learned and be useful. 300 00:08:45,750 --> 00:08:48,541 Then one day an opportunity comes up and 301 00:08:48,541 --> 00:08:49,625 someone says, I know 302 00:08:49,625 --> 00:08:51,750 exactly who I should talk to. 303 00:08:52,125 --> 00:08:54,458 That's how people get jobs in this field. 304 00:08:55,166 --> 00:08:57,583 Not by applying, but by being known. 305 00:08:57,625 --> 00:08:59,416 If you're going to take one thing from 306 00:08:59,416 --> 00:09:01,625 this episode, let it be this. Start one 307 00:09:01,625 --> 00:09:03,000 conversation this week. Just one. 308 00:09:03,375 --> 00:09:05,541 Not to get a job, just to be known. 309 00:09:06,333 --> 00:09:07,958 Because in ocean conservation, your 310 00:09:07,958 --> 00:09:10,625 network isn't optional. It's a pathway. 311 00:09:11,458 --> 00:09:13,291 Here's the real thing 312 00:09:13,291 --> 00:09:15,708 of this is this is good. 313 00:09:15,708 --> 00:09:17,375 Each relationship will take time. 314 00:09:17,833 --> 00:09:20,041 So you can start multiple relations, but 315 00:09:20,041 --> 00:09:21,958 you don't want to bombard them with 316 00:09:21,958 --> 00:09:23,583 comments on every post that they've made. 317 00:09:23,625 --> 00:09:25,958 You want to look at their posts. You want 318 00:09:25,958 --> 00:09:27,916 to observe how they're posting. You want 319 00:09:27,916 --> 00:09:29,916 to observe how they act maybe digitally 320 00:09:29,916 --> 00:09:32,666 or even in, you know, at a conference. 321 00:09:33,416 --> 00:09:34,958 And when you have you commented a couple 322 00:09:34,958 --> 00:09:37,083 of times on his post over the next couple 323 00:09:37,083 --> 00:09:38,958 of months and then you meet that person 324 00:09:38,958 --> 00:09:39,916 at a conference, you can 325 00:09:39,916 --> 00:09:41,416 say, oh, hey, like I know you. 326 00:09:41,416 --> 00:09:43,583 Sorry, my name is Andrew. I've seen what 327 00:09:43,583 --> 00:09:44,833 you've been posting on LinkedIn. I've 328 00:09:44,833 --> 00:09:46,166 commented a few times. I'm not sure if 329 00:09:46,166 --> 00:09:47,041 you remember who I am. 330 00:09:47,375 --> 00:09:49,125 This is what I do. Right? That is 331 00:09:49,125 --> 00:09:49,583 something that's really big. 332 00:09:49,583 --> 00:09:51,583 Another thing that I didn't mention that 333 00:09:51,583 --> 00:09:52,833 I'll mention now is when you're going to 334 00:09:52,833 --> 00:09:54,333 a conference, practice your 335 00:09:54,333 --> 00:09:56,000 30 second elevator speech. 336 00:09:56,791 --> 00:09:58,500 That's like crucial. Right? Because 337 00:09:58,500 --> 00:10:00,750 everything you do, whenever you like, 338 00:10:00,750 --> 00:10:02,916 whenever you are introduced to someone or 339 00:10:02,916 --> 00:10:05,375 you introduce yourself to someone, you 340 00:10:05,375 --> 00:10:06,375 have to say what they do. 341 00:10:06,375 --> 00:10:07,541 There will be like an awkward pause. 342 00:10:07,541 --> 00:10:08,583 They'll look at you and like, what do you 343 00:10:08,583 --> 00:10:10,708 do? Before they even say that, like, hey, 344 00:10:10,708 --> 00:10:12,041 my name is Andrew Lewin. 345 00:10:12,500 --> 00:10:14,708 I am a podcast. I run. I run a podcast 346 00:10:14,708 --> 00:10:16,333 for how to protect the ocean podcast. 347 00:10:16,666 --> 00:10:18,541 I've been running it for 11 years and 348 00:10:18,541 --> 00:10:19,583 I've displayed, you know, 349 00:10:19,583 --> 00:10:21,000 I talked to people who I think are doing 350 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:23,125 really cool things on ocean conservation 351 00:10:23,125 --> 00:10:25,041 and science so that other people can get 352 00:10:25,041 --> 00:10:26,625 that same resource act as a resource. 353 00:10:26,916 --> 00:10:27,708 It's not policy. It's been 354 00:10:27,708 --> 00:10:28,708 a while since I've done it. 355 00:10:29,250 --> 00:10:30,666 But every time I go to a conference, I 356 00:10:30,666 --> 00:10:32,250 practice it in the mirror or I just 357 00:10:32,250 --> 00:10:34,500 practice it as I'm walking up because the 358 00:10:34,500 --> 00:10:36,583 more you say it, the better it comes out, 359 00:10:36,583 --> 00:10:37,708 the more natural comes out. 360 00:10:37,708 --> 00:10:39,291 You're not pulling for work just like I 361 00:10:39,291 --> 00:10:41,250 was before. So it's never perfect. It 362 00:10:41,250 --> 00:10:42,791 doesn't matter if it's perfect or not. 363 00:10:43,166 --> 00:10:44,916 But as long as they know who you are and 364 00:10:44,916 --> 00:10:46,250 what you do, that is the 365 00:10:46,250 --> 00:10:47,083 best thing that you can do. 366 00:10:47,083 --> 00:10:49,750 So practice that every single time you're 367 00:10:49,750 --> 00:10:51,333 about to go to a conference or you're 368 00:10:51,333 --> 00:10:52,291 about to go to a place where you're going 369 00:10:52,291 --> 00:10:54,791 to meet people. If you found this episode 370 00:10:54,791 --> 00:10:56,375 helpful, please share it with someone 371 00:10:56,375 --> 00:10:58,375 that is trying to break into this field 372 00:10:58,375 --> 00:11:00,583 and is having trouble getting a job. 373 00:11:01,041 --> 00:11:02,083 And I think that's really important 374 00:11:02,083 --> 00:11:03,791 because, you know, we need to help as 375 00:11:03,791 --> 00:11:05,416 many people as possible get into this, 376 00:11:05,750 --> 00:11:06,875 get into this field, whether you're a 377 00:11:06,875 --> 00:11:07,791 scientist, whether you're an ocean 378 00:11:07,791 --> 00:11:09,083 conservationist, whether you're 379 00:11:09,083 --> 00:11:10,500 specialized in some kind of field. 380 00:11:10,500 --> 00:11:11,583 There's so many fields out there. 381 00:11:11,625 --> 00:11:13,625 There's so many ways that you can 382 00:11:13,625 --> 00:11:16,125 contribute to ocean conservation, whether 383 00:11:16,125 --> 00:11:17,708 it be through science or business or 384 00:11:17,708 --> 00:11:19,416 anything like that. But the idea is to 385 00:11:19,416 --> 00:11:21,583 meet people to network and to grow that 386 00:11:21,583 --> 00:11:23,541 network out so that eventually one day, 387 00:11:23,541 --> 00:11:25,375 hopefully it'll help you in the future. 388 00:11:25,833 --> 00:11:27,500 So thank you so much for joining me on 389 00:11:27,500 --> 00:11:29,083 today's episode of the How to Protect the 390 00:11:29,083 --> 00:11:31,541 Ocean podcast. If you have a question or 391 00:11:31,541 --> 00:11:34,375 comment, you can reach me. If you speak 392 00:11:34,375 --> 00:11:36,916 up for blue.com forward slash feedback, 393 00:11:37,166 --> 00:11:40,166 that's speak up for blue.com forward 394 00:11:40,166 --> 00:11:41,083 slash feedback links in the show. 395 00:11:41,125 --> 00:11:43,541 And of course, if you're on Spotify, just 396 00:11:43,541 --> 00:11:45,291 hit a comment and I will get back to you. 397 00:11:45,458 --> 00:11:46,666 I want to thank you so much for joining 398 00:11:46,666 --> 00:11:48,041 me on today's episode of the How to 399 00:11:48,041 --> 00:11:49,500 Protect the Ocean podcast. I am your 400 00:11:49,500 --> 00:11:50,875 host, Andrew Lewin. Have a great day. 401 00:11:50,875 --> 00:11:51,458 We'll talk to you next 402 00:11:51,458 --> 00:11:52,750 time and happy conservation.