1 00:00:11,390 --> 00:00:13,820 Andy: This is The Secure Family Podcast. 2 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:16,880 Welcome friend, I'm Andy Murphy, the host, and I'm also 3 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:18,440 the founder of The Secure Dad. 4 00:00:19,070 --> 00:00:23,000 This show is all about empowering parents to protect themselves and their family. 5 00:00:23,420 --> 00:00:27,080 I believe that security is the foundation of happiness, and I want 6 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:29,270 your family to be safe and happy. 7 00:00:30,230 --> 00:00:33,530 The information that I share on this podcast is for general 8 00:00:33,530 --> 00:00:35,240 information purposes only. 9 00:00:35,735 --> 00:00:39,665 My goal is to empower you to make safer decisions for yourself and 10 00:00:39,665 --> 00:00:43,625 your family because our safety is our own responsibility. 11 00:00:44,735 --> 00:00:48,125 Today, I get to talk with a security expert about how we can make a 12 00:00:48,125 --> 00:00:52,475 safe room in our homes to use in the event of an emergency, like a 13 00:00:52,475 --> 00:00:57,155 break-in all of that and more coming up on The Secure Family Podcast. 14 00:01:00,430 --> 00:01:02,290 The problem is getting worse. 15 00:01:02,620 --> 00:01:05,740 The amount of personal information that data brokers are collecting 16 00:01:05,740 --> 00:01:07,570 on you and me is growing. 17 00:01:08,170 --> 00:01:13,240 There are more details, more individual pieces, and more access than ever before. 18 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:17,140 Rob Shavell, the CEO of DeleteMe, just told the Wall Street Journal 19 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:21,430 than in 2023, they'd find about 300 pieces of someone's data. 20 00:01:21,910 --> 00:01:27,550 Well, that's bad enough, but today in 2025 he says they're finding more than 600. 21 00:01:27,850 --> 00:01:30,580 It's doubled and it's only getting worse. 22 00:01:30,900 --> 00:01:34,090 DeleteMe has 14 years in this industry, which is why they are 23 00:01:34,090 --> 00:01:35,890 the leader and have my business. 24 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:40,300 I've been with them as a customer since 2018, and I can attest 25 00:01:40,300 --> 00:01:41,530 that their service works. 26 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:43,270 Don't put this off anymore. 27 00:01:43,450 --> 00:01:45,250 Take back your data today. 28 00:01:45,745 --> 00:01:48,525 Right now you can get 20% off your DeleteMe Plan. 29 00:01:48,815 --> 00:01:54,295 Just go to JoinDeleteMe.com/Dad and use promo code DAD at checkout. 30 00:01:54,685 --> 00:01:57,895 That's JoinDeleteMe.com/Dad code Dad. 31 00:01:59,411 --> 00:02:01,811 My guest on the show today is Samuel Fish. 32 00:02:02,021 --> 00:02:06,251 He's a third generation security expert in the door lock and key industry. 33 00:02:06,761 --> 00:02:10,691 He started Shield Security Doors in 2013 with a mission of introducing 34 00:02:10,691 --> 00:02:14,651 residential security doors common throughout Europe to the US market. 35 00:02:15,221 --> 00:02:18,161 In addition to manufacturing, he consults for governments 36 00:02:18,161 --> 00:02:22,271 and corporations on fortifying buildings, offices, and residences. 37 00:02:22,751 --> 00:02:26,471 He recently completed the process of onshoring, his manufacturing from 38 00:02:26,471 --> 00:02:28,361 Eastern Europe to North Carolina. 39 00:02:28,661 --> 00:02:30,551 But most importantly, he's a dad. 40 00:02:30,821 --> 00:02:33,141 Here's my conversation with Samuel Fish. 41 00:02:42,602 --> 00:02:44,462 So Samuel, thanks for talking with me today. 42 00:02:44,462 --> 00:02:45,587 Introduce yourself to everybody. 43 00:02:46,862 --> 00:02:48,782 Samuel: First Andy, thank you for having me on. 44 00:02:48,782 --> 00:02:50,102 My name's Samuel Fish. 45 00:02:50,312 --> 00:02:55,592 Uh, I'm the founder of Shield Security Doors, and we manufacture custom high 46 00:02:55,592 --> 00:02:58,952 security doors, mainly for residential. 47 00:02:59,072 --> 00:03:03,422 Also some commercial, but anywhere that there is demand for both aesthetics. 48 00:03:04,307 --> 00:03:05,027 security. 49 00:03:05,267 --> 00:03:06,557 That's really our niche. 50 00:03:07,697 --> 00:03:11,117 Andy: That's cool and it's good that you mentioned like aesthetics and security, 51 00:03:11,117 --> 00:03:14,627 because I think some people when they think security door, they think of like a 52 00:03:14,627 --> 00:03:16,937 vault from a movie or something like that. 53 00:03:16,937 --> 00:03:19,637 But it, this is, you're talking about like a door that you could put 54 00:03:19,637 --> 00:03:20,837 on the front of your home, right? 55 00:03:21,767 --> 00:03:22,247 Samuel: Bingo. 56 00:03:22,577 --> 00:03:26,957 The first thing that comes to mind for the majority of us when, when we talk about 57 00:03:27,167 --> 00:03:31,217 security doors is a big ugly steel door. 58 00:03:31,472 --> 00:03:31,892 Andy: Mm-hmm. 59 00:03:32,777 --> 00:03:34,247 Samuel: That's what it conjures up. 60 00:03:34,637 --> 00:03:38,867 Um, our doors are designed to look like virtually anything. 61 00:03:39,317 --> 00:03:43,997 Uh, one of the best secrets good security. 62 00:03:43,997 --> 00:03:46,097 I. keeping it a secret. 63 00:03:46,817 --> 00:03:51,437 if your security door doesn't look like a security door, if it looks like a nice 64 00:03:51,437 --> 00:03:56,717 custom residential door or a four panel door, a six panel door, uh, perhaps 65 00:03:56,717 --> 00:04:01,157 whatever was on your home before or that matches the other interior doors in your 66 00:04:01,157 --> 00:04:03,647 home doesn't attract any attention to it. 67 00:04:04,682 --> 00:04:05,402 Andy: And that's great. 68 00:04:05,402 --> 00:04:06,602 And that's a very good point. 69 00:04:06,872 --> 00:04:09,272 So, uh, what got you started in the security industry? 70 00:04:11,237 --> 00:04:13,607 Samuel: My grandfather was a locksmith. 71 00:04:14,087 --> 00:04:16,917 Uh, my great uncle was a lock distributor. 72 00:04:17,507 --> 00:04:24,527 My father grew up in, in my grandfather's lock shop, and he went on to, uh, start 73 00:04:24,857 --> 00:04:30,787 what one of the largest, uh, lock and key companies in the world called Ilco Unican. 74 00:04:30,917 --> 00:04:33,887 So, uh, if you are or any of your viewers have 75 00:04:33,887 --> 00:04:39,017 any keys in your pocket, I guarantee you some of them came out of, uh. 76 00:04:39,467 --> 00:04:40,847 Came out of his factories. 77 00:04:41,292 --> 00:04:41,512 Andy: Wow. 78 00:04:41,512 --> 00:04:42,032 That's cool. 79 00:04:42,077 --> 00:04:44,387 Samuel: the environment that I grew up in. 80 00:04:44,417 --> 00:04:48,857 When I had a day off school, was in the factory and I thought that's what all 81 00:04:48,857 --> 00:04:51,227 school kids did when they had a day off. 82 00:04:51,467 --> 00:04:52,697 You go to the factory and work. 83 00:04:54,227 --> 00:04:59,327 Uh, so that's, for me, that's, uh, where it started. 84 00:04:59,327 --> 00:05:03,647 It, it's one of those things that's always been in my DNA, uh, 85 00:05:03,647 --> 00:05:07,727 one of my brothers works in the industry as well, and for myself. 86 00:05:09,047 --> 00:05:13,997 doors was the direction that I went in, uh, personally. 87 00:05:13,997 --> 00:05:17,297 And of course it's not the exact same as, uh, keys and 88 00:05:17,297 --> 00:05:19,277 locks, but, uh, a very integral 89 00:05:19,807 --> 00:05:20,157 Andy: Right. 90 00:05:20,177 --> 00:05:20,597 Mm-hmm. 91 00:05:20,987 --> 00:05:21,557 Samuel: product. 92 00:05:21,857 --> 00:05:25,307 Um, and so that's how I got started in this business, 93 00:05:25,457 --> 00:05:28,042 uh, very much, uh, in my DNA. 94 00:05:28,757 --> 00:05:30,137 Andy: Yeah, I would say so. 95 00:05:30,137 --> 00:05:33,647 So you're like third generation and, and, and dealing with this. 96 00:05:33,647 --> 00:05:34,367 I think that's great. 97 00:05:34,367 --> 00:05:38,027 So let me ask you this, you know, with all the experience that you 98 00:05:38,027 --> 00:05:41,897 have, what do you think are some of the biggest misconceptions 99 00:05:41,897 --> 00:05:43,217 when it comes to home security? 100 00:05:44,592 --> 00:05:49,362 Samuel: The biggest misconception that, uh, that I come across, and this is 101 00:05:49,362 --> 00:05:52,692 really a cultural issue for us, uh. 102 00:05:53,982 --> 00:05:54,552 love it. 103 00:05:54,552 --> 00:05:56,202 And you've talked about this before. 104 00:05:56,202 --> 00:06:00,552 You've talked about a, a culture of locking your doors when the reality is we 105 00:06:00,552 --> 00:06:02,532 have a culture of not locking our doors. 106 00:06:03,377 --> 00:06:03,727 Andy: Right. 107 00:06:03,732 --> 00:06:07,992 Samuel: all have friends who say, oh, I live in such a safe neighborhood, 108 00:06:07,992 --> 00:06:09,972 or, oh, I live in a gated community. 109 00:06:10,332 --> 00:06:11,982 I don't lock my doors at night. 110 00:06:12,732 --> 00:06:16,362 it's one of the biggest mistakes we could possibly. 111 00:06:16,677 --> 00:06:17,187 Make. 112 00:06:17,427 --> 00:06:23,967 So from, uh, in terms of what's the biggest misconception or mistake, 113 00:06:24,027 --> 00:06:27,927 it's just not utilizing the tools that we already have available. 114 00:06:28,617 --> 00:06:29,772 Not locking your doors, 115 00:06:31,292 --> 00:06:32,487 Andy: I, I, I agree. 116 00:06:32,487 --> 00:06:36,957 And like I used to get made fun of because, uh, I would lock my car in front 117 00:06:36,957 --> 00:06:40,647 of my apartment when I was in college and people are like, you lock your door. 118 00:06:40,647 --> 00:06:40,977 And I'm like. 119 00:06:41,352 --> 00:06:46,332 Yeah, like why don't you, this is just weird 'cause I grew up, I imagine like 120 00:06:46,332 --> 00:06:50,352 you in, in your household, the door was always locked when you weren't using it. 121 00:06:50,352 --> 00:06:51,972 That was just normal for me. 122 00:06:52,362 --> 00:06:56,952 And there were people who I guess thought, you know, that, you know, they, they lived 123 00:06:56,952 --> 00:07:00,492 in simpler places or whatever and they didn't worry about that sort of stuff. 124 00:07:00,492 --> 00:07:04,362 But man, like that was just a kind of a culture shock to me when I 125 00:07:04,362 --> 00:07:08,142 realized that man, people are not, why aren't you locking your front door? 126 00:07:08,142 --> 00:07:09,942 This is just weird, but yeah. 127 00:07:09,972 --> 00:07:10,707 Samuel: and, and it. 128 00:07:11,082 --> 00:07:13,092 For, for, for Americans. 129 00:07:13,152 --> 00:07:18,402 That's, uh, it's something that we clinging to for our own peace of 130 00:07:18,402 --> 00:07:21,762 mind and safety, telling people, oh, I live in such a safe neighborhood 131 00:07:21,867 --> 00:07:22,287 Andy: Mm-hmm. 132 00:07:22,542 --> 00:07:24,132 Samuel: really important to us. 133 00:07:24,462 --> 00:07:30,432 And as a result, we have not developed a culture of security 134 00:07:30,432 --> 00:07:32,532 doors as exists in Europe. 135 00:07:33,402 --> 00:07:35,922 That market, that industry never developed. 136 00:07:36,882 --> 00:07:38,652 We don't have a culture of security doors. 137 00:07:38,652 --> 00:07:40,422 We ha we do have a gun culture. 138 00:07:41,697 --> 00:07:46,497 Which they do not have overseas, but we don't have that culture of security 139 00:07:46,497 --> 00:07:51,177 doors, which is the type of product that we make and are selling, but 140 00:07:51,177 --> 00:07:55,887 it's a very underdeveloped market here in the US compared to overseas. 141 00:07:56,532 --> 00:07:59,112 Andy: All right, so let me ask you, you talk about, you know, the culture that we 142 00:07:59,112 --> 00:08:02,652 have here in the US of not wanting to lock our doors of living in safe neighborhoods. 143 00:08:02,952 --> 00:08:06,102 What are things like in Europe, because you're kind of referencing that. 144 00:08:06,102 --> 00:08:07,152 I wanna know what's. 145 00:08:07,497 --> 00:08:10,347 What's the, what's the other part of the globe doing? 146 00:08:10,347 --> 00:08:11,052 What's their culture? 147 00:08:12,492 --> 00:08:18,582 Samuel: So if you go to any middle class apartment in Europe,ill find a steel 148 00:08:18,582 --> 00:08:21,432 door with a multi-point lock on it. 149 00:08:22,047 --> 00:08:26,337 And usually a decorative wood skin to make it look pretty 150 00:08:27,027 --> 00:08:27,327 Andy: Mm-hmm. 151 00:08:27,477 --> 00:08:30,237 Samuel: you walk up to the door, none the wiser. 152 00:08:31,047 --> 00:08:31,407 This is. 153 00:08:33,267 --> 00:08:37,767 You will find it almost everywhere in Europe, Western Europe, Eastern Europe. 154 00:08:38,157 --> 00:08:39,507 This is a normal product. 155 00:08:39,777 --> 00:08:41,577 A new apartment building gets built. 156 00:08:41,817 --> 00:08:45,807 Those are the type of doors that go in, even on older buildings. 157 00:08:45,807 --> 00:08:49,317 I mean, I, I remember, uh, my, my grandmother, my great-grandmother, 158 00:08:49,737 --> 00:08:51,057 uh, they were Italian. 159 00:08:51,267 --> 00:08:53,607 I remember on the doors in their apartments. 160 00:08:54,417 --> 00:08:58,227 were 20 locks on them going up in every which direction. 161 00:08:58,617 --> 00:09:02,877 It took half an hour to unlock the thing because there were so many bolts. 162 00:09:04,257 --> 00:09:09,447 Culturally, that's just what exists, and we do not do that. 163 00:09:09,477 --> 00:09:11,217 We do a one inch deadbolt. 164 00:09:11,667 --> 00:09:16,767 Maybe occasionally you'll find two one inch deadbolts, but other than that. 165 00:09:17,187 --> 00:09:21,657 Security doors in the US outside of the industrial and commercial 166 00:09:21,657 --> 00:09:27,957 space have always been the domain of, uh, safe rooms, panic rooms, 167 00:09:28,077 --> 00:09:31,377 celebrities, uh, wealthy individuals. 168 00:09:32,367 --> 00:09:37,557 the, uh, market for security doors that's existed in the US compared 169 00:09:37,557 --> 00:09:42,147 to Europe, where it's a pretty normal middle class product. 170 00:09:42,852 --> 00:09:46,872 Andy: Okay, so you, you talked about a safe room just a second ago. 171 00:09:46,932 --> 00:09:50,562 Um, now I remember the, I think it was a movie with Jody Foster that had 172 00:09:50,562 --> 00:09:51,942 a safe room in it, and that was like. 173 00:09:52,347 --> 00:09:55,287 My, I think it was actually called Safe Room, but like that was my 174 00:09:55,287 --> 00:09:56,967 first introduction to the concept. 175 00:09:56,967 --> 00:09:59,637 'cause you know, growing up I didn't have a safe room in my house. 176 00:09:59,637 --> 00:10:02,847 It just wasn't like something that I would've, would've done. 177 00:10:03,087 --> 00:10:05,067 But like, what does that mean to you? 178 00:10:05,067 --> 00:10:06,447 Tell me what a safe room is. 179 00:10:07,767 --> 00:10:08,727 Samuel: A safe room. 180 00:10:09,147 --> 00:10:13,407 Safe rooms come in many different shapes and sizes. 181 00:10:14,127 --> 00:10:18,607 primary purpose of a safe room is to buy you 182 00:10:18,667 --> 00:10:19,117 Andy: Hmm. 183 00:10:19,517 --> 00:10:20,057 Samuel: in an 184 00:10:21,477 --> 00:10:26,787 a safe room is not where you are going to seek refuge in a zombie apocalypse. 185 00:10:27,207 --> 00:10:28,467 That's not what it's there for. 186 00:10:29,157 --> 00:10:33,147 safe room is there that if something, God forbid, happens. 187 00:10:34,017 --> 00:10:36,267 where you're going with your family. 188 00:10:36,627 --> 00:10:37,737 Locking the door. 189 00:10:38,112 --> 00:10:41,562 And calling the cops or calling for help or retrieving a weapon. 190 00:10:41,922 --> 00:10:46,362 Whatever you are gonna do in an emergency, you're going into your 191 00:10:46,362 --> 00:10:48,582 safe room to buy yourself time. 192 00:10:49,002 --> 00:10:50,532 That's the purpose of a safe room. 193 00:10:50,532 --> 00:10:56,022 And it's also why when we do security testing on all on our doors, we 194 00:10:56,022 --> 00:11:00,012 test everything to a US State Department, forced entry standard, 195 00:11:00,012 --> 00:11:04,152 which means our doors meet the same security levels as what go into 196 00:11:04,152 --> 00:11:06,492 US embassies all around the world. 197 00:11:07,332 --> 00:11:10,662 They are always time rated, so the 198 00:11:10,687 --> 00:11:10,907 Andy: Mm 199 00:11:11,022 --> 00:11:12,612 Samuel: level is a five minute door. 200 00:11:13,062 --> 00:11:13,602 Andy: Got it. 201 00:11:13,812 --> 00:11:16,992 Samuel: it means in a five minute test is that door is subjected 202 00:11:16,992 --> 00:11:19,662 to 30 man minutes of attack time. 203 00:11:20,952 --> 00:11:25,662 The 15 minute test, that's four and a half man hours of attack time. 204 00:11:26,502 --> 00:11:31,152 So everything is always a matter of time because if you have enough time, 205 00:11:31,962 --> 00:11:34,542 right tools and the right skills. 206 00:11:34,902 --> 00:11:36,552 You will get in anywhere. 207 00:11:36,702 --> 00:11:37,002 It's 208 00:11:37,247 --> 00:11:37,527 Andy: Right. 209 00:11:37,632 --> 00:11:38,082 Samuel: of time. 210 00:11:38,412 --> 00:11:41,742 I will get into Fort Knox if I have enough time. 211 00:11:42,672 --> 00:11:46,902 So that's the underlying concept here for people to understand. 212 00:11:47,952 --> 00:11:54,192 rooms, security doors are all about buying you time to call the cops, to retrieve 213 00:11:54,192 --> 00:11:56,292 a weapon, to assess what's going on. 214 00:11:57,507 --> 00:12:00,687 Andy: Right, and you make such a great point about it being, you know, 215 00:12:00,687 --> 00:12:05,577 measuring this in time, not in weight, not in inches thick or things like that. 216 00:12:05,757 --> 00:12:09,687 I make the joke, uh, to my friends that I can break into any house in America 217 00:12:09,687 --> 00:12:13,767 with two things, and number one is a chainsaw, and number two is time. 218 00:12:14,097 --> 00:12:14,907 So like. 219 00:12:15,147 --> 00:12:16,497 You can get in anywhere. 220 00:12:16,497 --> 00:12:19,707 And I'm glad that you're making that point, and I'm glad that you're, you're 221 00:12:19,707 --> 00:12:23,097 helping people to understand it's not necessarily about any of the other 222 00:12:23,097 --> 00:12:26,097 metrics, it's about the time that it buys you and what you of course 223 00:12:26,097 --> 00:12:28,767 do with that time that you're given. 224 00:12:29,127 --> 00:12:32,457 So, obviously we've talked about, you know, safe room, kind of like 225 00:12:32,457 --> 00:12:36,807 in a Hollywood setting or something like that, but can the average family 226 00:12:36,807 --> 00:12:38,307 have a safe room in their home? 227 00:12:39,837 --> 00:12:41,397 Samuel: Yes, and they should. 228 00:12:42,177 --> 00:12:44,577 That doesn't mean the safe room has to have. 229 00:12:45,327 --> 00:12:49,827 A highly armored specialized door. 230 00:12:50,007 --> 00:12:56,637 It can be a hollow metal door that you're adding a few deadbolts to if 231 00:12:56,637 --> 00:12:59,217 you want to DIY something, do it. 232 00:12:59,337 --> 00:13:02,277 Uh, of course this really comes down to people's budgets, 233 00:13:02,737 --> 00:13:02,937 Andy: Mm-hmm. 234 00:13:03,187 --> 00:13:08,007 Samuel: your budget is a hundred bucks, a hundred thousand or or 10 million, 235 00:13:08,967 --> 00:13:14,427 you can do something to create that safe room for you and your family. 236 00:13:14,832 --> 00:13:19,392 With a reinforced door, and it doesn't matter who you are, it 237 00:13:19,392 --> 00:13:20,952 doesn't matter if you're a celebrity. 238 00:13:21,132 --> 00:13:24,162 It doesn't matter if you're a politician, a wealthy business 239 00:13:24,162 --> 00:13:32,202 owner, unfortunately, you may need that room one day an emergency to 240 00:13:32,202 --> 00:13:40,962 buy you time crime can be, uh, very random and very opportunistic, and 241 00:13:40,967 --> 00:13:41,337 Andy: Yeah. 242 00:13:42,237 --> 00:13:48,597 Samuel: We don't really know that we are a target or at risk until something happens. 243 00:13:50,217 --> 00:13:53,457 Andy: Yeah, and that's, that's a lot of people's wake up call is they, they think, 244 00:13:53,457 --> 00:13:56,337 oh, I live in that nice neighborhood like we were talking about earlier. 245 00:13:56,337 --> 00:13:59,487 And oh, nothing would ever happen here until all of a sudden it's happening. 246 00:13:59,817 --> 00:14:05,397 And I usually caution people that when those things happen, I. You would have the 247 00:14:05,397 --> 00:14:10,797 thought, I would pay any amount of money for this problem to go away right now. 248 00:14:11,097 --> 00:14:15,207 And that's the preparedness aspect of this, which I think is really important. 249 00:14:15,717 --> 00:14:19,707 So what are some things that we need to consider when designating 250 00:14:19,707 --> 00:14:21,477 a safe room in our home? 251 00:14:21,477 --> 00:14:23,217 What are some things that we need to think about? 252 00:14:25,377 --> 00:14:31,257 Samuel: Ideally, you want it to be a room that only has one access point, 253 00:14:31,857 --> 00:14:32,037 Andy: Mm-hmm. 254 00:14:32,277 --> 00:14:33,057 Samuel: door into it. 255 00:14:33,927 --> 00:14:38,817 if it's on a second floor and there's a window, okay, that's not the end 256 00:14:38,817 --> 00:14:41,277 of the world because most likely. 257 00:14:41,847 --> 00:14:45,237 Whoever is trying to get into your home isn't gonna be scaling 258 00:14:45,237 --> 00:14:47,157 a ladder to get into the window. 259 00:14:48,147 --> 00:14:53,727 It's possible it happens, but for the vast majority of us, you 260 00:14:53,727 --> 00:14:55,347 want to have one access point. 261 00:14:55,587 --> 00:14:59,697 So it may even be something like a mechanical room in your 262 00:14:59,697 --> 00:15:04,647 home where you already have a fire rated hollow metal door. 263 00:15:05,007 --> 00:15:08,187 That's a great starting point, especially if it's an outswing door. 264 00:15:08,787 --> 00:15:11,307 That's even better if we're talking about. 265 00:15:12,072 --> 00:15:14,562 Working what you with, what you already have. 266 00:15:15,402 --> 00:15:20,562 Uh, so one access point, preferably solid walls. 267 00:15:20,862 --> 00:15:26,412 Uh, very often clients will say to us, okay, uh, I'm doing the 268 00:15:26,412 --> 00:15:28,602 door, but what about the walls? 269 00:15:29,092 --> 00:15:29,512 Andy: Mm-hmm. 270 00:15:29,802 --> 00:15:32,502 Samuel: yes, walls are very often a vulnerability. 271 00:15:33,672 --> 00:15:40,092 However, if you are the type of person that has a legitimate fear. 272 00:15:41,037 --> 00:15:45,747 Of someone coming through your walls, then you're in a different 273 00:15:45,747 --> 00:15:49,227 class of threat and risk. 274 00:15:50,007 --> 00:15:54,927 You're not just a, a normal person who wants to make sure that, oh, 275 00:15:54,927 --> 00:15:58,617 if someone ever broke into my home in the middle of the night to 276 00:15:58,617 --> 00:16:01,647 steal my tv, how am I gonna react? 277 00:16:01,887 --> 00:16:05,637 Because people breaking in to steal a TV or to steal jewelry, they're 278 00:16:05,637 --> 00:16:07,377 not coming to go through walls. 279 00:16:07,992 --> 00:16:08,442 Andy: Right. 280 00:16:08,562 --> 00:16:12,882 Samuel: are opportunistic criminals who are looking for an easy target. 281 00:16:13,062 --> 00:16:14,312 They're looking for an easy 282 00:16:14,507 --> 00:16:19,092 I. Break in, and if your house is not that easy place, they're 283 00:16:19,092 --> 00:16:20,442 going onto your neighbors. 284 00:16:21,192 --> 00:16:24,972 They're not coming after you of who you are. 285 00:16:24,972 --> 00:16:25,812 They're coming after you. 286 00:16:25,812 --> 00:16:29,682 Maybe you live in a nice neighborhood, maybe you live in a nice home and they're 287 00:16:29,682 --> 00:16:34,032 just looking for an easy target because the lights are off you fit the bill. 288 00:16:34,902 --> 00:16:35,592 Andy: Exactly. 289 00:16:35,592 --> 00:16:38,022 Or you've got a nice car parked outside and they wanna 290 00:16:38,022 --> 00:16:39,312 come inside and get the keys. 291 00:16:39,312 --> 00:16:43,332 That's, man, that's a growing one right now that you know you're advertising, 292 00:16:43,332 --> 00:16:45,102 oh, you've got a BMW outside. 293 00:16:45,312 --> 00:16:46,932 Well, the keys are inside, let's go get 'em. 294 00:16:46,932 --> 00:16:49,512 That seems to be the, the mindset of a lot of people. 295 00:16:49,842 --> 00:16:51,342 So when we're talking about. 296 00:16:51,827 --> 00:16:55,427 Picking a room in our home to be our designated safe room. 297 00:16:55,937 --> 00:17:00,467 You know, a lot of people think, oh, well my, my interior door, it's got like 298 00:17:00,467 --> 00:17:02,087 one of those little thumb blocks on it. 299 00:17:02,477 --> 00:17:08,477 Um, but like the most doors in people's homes today are these hollow 300 00:17:08,477 --> 00:17:13,067 wooden doors that aren't really gonna offer you any sort of protection. 301 00:17:13,067 --> 00:17:13,397 Right. 302 00:17:14,787 --> 00:17:15,597 Samuel: That is right. 303 00:17:15,597 --> 00:17:21,147 The vast majority of doors that we're gonna find in homes zero security. 304 00:17:22,227 --> 00:17:27,177 Very often when we are replacing some interior doors, I will ask a 305 00:17:27,177 --> 00:17:30,717 client, alright, send me a picture of what your existing door looks like. 306 00:17:30,747 --> 00:17:33,957 'cause what I want to do is match the design. 307 00:17:34,407 --> 00:17:38,937 I don't want your safe room door to stand out in any way. 308 00:17:41,427 --> 00:17:46,917 I've long believed that the, the, the, the most important door in any 309 00:17:46,917 --> 00:17:48,987 home is the master bedroom door, 310 00:17:49,937 --> 00:17:50,017 Andy: Hmm. 311 00:17:50,187 --> 00:17:56,667 Samuel: because in an emergency, that's typically where we're gonna seek refuge. 312 00:17:56,937 --> 00:17:58,287 That's where we're gonna run to. 313 00:17:58,352 --> 00:18:02,337 And maybe it's also a matter of, okay, grabbing your kids running 314 00:18:02,337 --> 00:18:03,777 into one of their bedrooms. 315 00:18:04,557 --> 00:18:07,137 Depending on the layout of some homes, it 316 00:18:07,152 --> 00:18:07,422 Andy: Right. 317 00:18:07,767 --> 00:18:08,877 Samuel: be a hallway door. 318 00:18:09,162 --> 00:18:10,962 That leads to your bedrooms. 319 00:18:11,952 --> 00:18:17,562 Part of the trick to though to this though, is also being in the habit 320 00:18:17,562 --> 00:18:19,392 of locking that door at night. 321 00:18:20,172 --> 00:18:22,362 Maybe it's a question of locking your bedroom door at night, 322 00:18:22,662 --> 00:18:23,952 locking your master bedroom door. 323 00:18:23,982 --> 00:18:26,502 For people with young kids, that's not always possible, 324 00:18:26,502 --> 00:18:31,242 although there's upside to locking your master bedroom door at night, uh, 325 00:18:31,662 --> 00:18:35,442 when you have young kids coming to wake you up 'cause they, uh, can't sleep. 326 00:18:36,012 --> 00:18:36,402 Andy: Right. 327 00:18:36,522 --> 00:18:37,572 Samuel: benefit as well. 328 00:18:37,992 --> 00:18:38,292 Andy: Yep. 329 00:18:38,472 --> 00:18:38,892 Samuel: but 330 00:18:39,822 --> 00:18:44,742 that situation, if you are in the habit of locking a master bedroom door at night, 331 00:18:45,402 --> 00:18:50,472 we've all had our home alarm system go off in the middle of the night, wakes 332 00:18:50,472 --> 00:18:56,232 you up usually from the best part of your sleep, and it's a very disorienting, it 333 00:18:56,232 --> 00:18:58,537 takes time to figure out what's going on. 334 00:18:58,637 --> 00:19:00,252 Oh, did the neighbor's cat trip? 335 00:19:00,252 --> 00:19:00,972 The alarm? 336 00:19:01,212 --> 00:19:02,412 Did a gust of wind? 337 00:19:02,817 --> 00:19:05,697 Uh, blow open a door that wasn't properly secured. 338 00:19:05,877 --> 00:19:07,857 Is someone trying to break into the house? 339 00:19:08,007 --> 00:19:08,997 What's going on? 340 00:19:09,627 --> 00:19:12,417 You need time to figure that out, especially when you're 341 00:19:12,417 --> 00:19:14,067 being woken up from a deep sleep. 342 00:19:14,907 --> 00:19:17,217 need time to retrieve a weapon. 343 00:19:17,697 --> 00:19:19,407 You need time to call the police. 344 00:19:19,647 --> 00:19:24,327 So if you are proactively putting yourself in a secure environment with 345 00:19:24,327 --> 00:19:28,857 a locked bedroom door, you aren't worried about someone busting in 346 00:19:28,857 --> 00:19:35,097 through your door You've bought yourself the time that you need to react. 347 00:19:35,797 --> 00:19:40,117 One of the, uh, examples of the very unfortunate examples that really 348 00:19:40,117 --> 00:19:45,217 illustrates this, uh, a couple years ago, Paul Pelosi, uh, husband of 349 00:19:45,427 --> 00:19:47,737 former house speaker Nancy Pelosi. 350 00:19:49,387 --> 00:19:50,977 He was attacked in bed. 351 00:19:52,237 --> 00:19:54,367 the Pelosis are not clients of mine. 352 00:19:54,487 --> 00:19:59,947 I have zero firsthand knowledge or information about, I would bet a lot 353 00:19:59,947 --> 00:20:02,107 of money that they have a safe room. 354 00:20:04,237 --> 00:20:05,527 So why didn't it help them? 355 00:20:06,397 --> 00:20:06,997 went wrong? 356 00:20:07,057 --> 00:20:10,387 Well, we now know there were a series of security failures. 357 00:20:10,657 --> 00:20:11,887 The alarm wasn't set. 358 00:20:12,247 --> 00:20:15,127 Glass sensors didn't trigger, as they should have. 359 00:20:15,607 --> 00:20:18,757 Cameras weren't being monitored because, uh. 360 00:20:19,777 --> 00:20:21,787 Pelosi at the time wasn't there. 361 00:20:21,937 --> 00:20:23,797 Her security detail wasn't there. 362 00:20:23,977 --> 00:20:29,587 There were a series of failures and uh, Paul didn't wake up 363 00:20:30,937 --> 00:20:34,327 until someone was standing over his bed with a hammer, 364 00:20:34,892 --> 00:20:35,312 Andy: Mm-hmm. 365 00:20:35,857 --> 00:20:39,907 Samuel: had his bedroom door been the secure door, and he was in the 366 00:20:39,907 --> 00:20:41,857 habit of locking that at night. 367 00:20:43,327 --> 00:20:44,527 He would've been perfectly fine. 368 00:20:44,677 --> 00:20:47,887 There would've been an intruder in the house, but he would've called the cops 369 00:20:48,127 --> 00:20:52,402 and they would've arrived long before would've gotten into the bedroom. 370 00:20:53,587 --> 00:20:54,007 Andy: Right. 371 00:20:54,127 --> 00:20:57,367 And that's, that's a great point that there was a lot of things that failed. 372 00:20:57,367 --> 00:21:01,327 I'm of course a big proponent of a layered home security strategy, and 373 00:21:01,327 --> 00:21:02,887 that's the core layer right there. 374 00:21:02,887 --> 00:21:07,267 That's if everything else breaks down, if you've got a strong door that is 375 00:21:07,267 --> 00:21:10,537 locked, that's that's gonna be there and that's gonna work for you no 376 00:21:10,537 --> 00:21:12,157 matter what, whatever else happens. 377 00:21:12,577 --> 00:21:16,567 So when you're looking at a safe room, what are some things that we should have 378 00:21:16,627 --> 00:21:18,727 in that room to help us in a crisis? 379 00:21:21,547 --> 00:21:25,747 Samuel: If you have a weapon, a great place to keep it because it's also a 380 00:21:25,747 --> 00:21:31,567 secure space for a gun safe, a door that you can lock that adds an extra layer 381 00:21:31,627 --> 00:21:37,627 of control and security around that and around people you don't want getting 382 00:21:37,627 --> 00:21:40,207 their hands on it, able to reach it. 383 00:21:40,477 --> 00:21:45,577 So weapon, ensuring that if it is, uh, a, making sure it's a 384 00:21:45,577 --> 00:21:47,287 room where you have cell signal. 385 00:21:48,142 --> 00:21:48,362 Andy: Mm. 386 00:21:48,832 --> 00:21:52,342 Samuel: it's great if you are putting this in a mechanical room in your 387 00:21:52,342 --> 00:21:58,732 home with concrete walls and a and a preexisting steel door, outswing door. 388 00:21:58,972 --> 00:22:02,872 But if you don't have any cell signal in there, it's gonna be 389 00:22:02,872 --> 00:22:04,132 a lot harder to call for help. 390 00:22:05,752 --> 00:22:12,292 as I was saying earlier, a safe room is not really where you're gonna ride 391 00:22:12,292 --> 00:22:14,302 out a zombie apocalypse for that. 392 00:22:14,302 --> 00:22:15,022 You need a bunker. 393 00:22:15,417 --> 00:22:15,922 Andy: Right, right. 394 00:22:16,627 --> 00:22:20,047 Samuel: It, it's a place, it's a, it's a space that's going to 395 00:22:20,047 --> 00:22:27,007 keep you safe and calm for 5, 10, 30 minutes until help can arrive. 396 00:22:27,247 --> 00:22:30,967 So, yeah, you might wanna have some water in there as well. 397 00:22:31,117 --> 00:22:33,847 You might want to have a toilet also, you people react very 398 00:22:33,847 --> 00:22:39,277 differently in these circumstances and some people need the bathroom. 399 00:22:39,832 --> 00:22:40,312 Andy: Sure. 400 00:22:40,372 --> 00:22:42,292 No, that, no, that's, that's a great point. 401 00:22:42,682 --> 00:22:47,872 Um, I actually advocate that people still have a landline, uh, at their home. 402 00:22:47,932 --> 00:22:50,872 Even if it's 10 bucks a month, I say pay it. 403 00:22:51,172 --> 00:22:53,752 Uh, we have one and it's really just for calling out. 404 00:22:53,752 --> 00:22:56,782 Like, it rang yesterday and I'm like, I don't give this number to anybody. 405 00:22:56,782 --> 00:22:57,742 I don't know who this person is. 406 00:22:57,742 --> 00:22:58,462 I'm not answering it. 407 00:22:58,762 --> 00:23:02,512 So it's really just for me to be able to call, you know, for, for help in an 408 00:23:02,512 --> 00:23:04,252 emergency, you know, that sort of thing. 409 00:23:04,732 --> 00:23:06,112 Um, but yeah, we need to. 410 00:23:06,352 --> 00:23:10,702 Samuel: is always, uh, the best fail safe there, uh, because you 411 00:23:10,702 --> 00:23:13,372 can also have cell signal jammers. 412 00:23:13,782 --> 00:23:14,202 Andy: Mm-hmm. 413 00:23:14,392 --> 00:23:19,882 Samuel: that if here we're talking about a, a more determined, more planned 414 00:23:19,892 --> 00:23:20,382 Andy: Correct. 415 00:23:20,432 --> 00:23:20,782 Right. 416 00:23:21,382 --> 00:23:27,922 Samuel: or, or, uh, home invasion than the opportunistic, that is 417 00:23:27,922 --> 00:23:31,402 what 99% of us are worried about. 418 00:23:31,882 --> 00:23:35,572 Someone isn't coming after us because of who we are, our hope 419 00:23:35,812 --> 00:23:37,522 high profile or things like that. 420 00:23:37,522 --> 00:23:40,882 It's, you live in a nice home, in a nice area, and it looks 421 00:23:40,882 --> 00:23:42,262 like a, an interesting target. 422 00:23:42,787 --> 00:23:47,287 Uh, but all that to say yes, uh, a landline those who still have 423 00:23:47,287 --> 00:23:51,097 one, uh, a great place to put that phone is in your safe road. 424 00:23:51,997 --> 00:23:52,477 Andy: Right. 425 00:23:52,477 --> 00:23:55,567 And, uh, like a lot of homes today are not, they're not including, 426 00:23:55,627 --> 00:23:58,837 you know, telephone wire in any of their stuff anymore. 427 00:23:58,837 --> 00:24:02,767 So that's, you know, if you have a, you know, a, a house that's been around for 428 00:24:02,767 --> 00:24:04,117 a little while, that's gonna be there. 429 00:24:04,117 --> 00:24:08,797 And in most states, you, even if you plug an old landline phone 430 00:24:08,827 --> 00:24:10,057 in, you don't have service. 431 00:24:10,057 --> 00:24:12,067 You can still call 9 1 1 from it. 432 00:24:12,097 --> 00:24:13,627 That'll be the only thing that you can reach. 433 00:24:13,627 --> 00:24:16,747 You can, uh, I don't know how much longer that's gonna be around. 434 00:24:17,092 --> 00:24:19,792 Um, but for now, in some places that does work. 435 00:24:19,792 --> 00:24:23,242 So you might wanna, um, ask somebody about that if you're listening to this. 436 00:24:23,602 --> 00:24:26,392 So we've, we've talked a lot about safe rooms here. 437 00:24:26,482 --> 00:24:29,692 Um, of course I'm a huge advocate for something like this. 438 00:24:30,862 --> 00:24:34,462 Without giving away any details or anything like that, can you 439 00:24:34,462 --> 00:24:37,792 tell us a scenario where a safe room really helped somebody? 440 00:24:38,517 --> 00:24:45,777 Samuel: There are, uh, few, every few months you'll typically hear, uh, a call. 441 00:24:46,422 --> 00:24:48,312 Um, an emergency call. 442 00:24:48,312 --> 00:24:50,922 Often it's, uh, celebrities in Los Angeles. 443 00:24:51,192 --> 00:24:56,532 Uh, this one came out publicly and she's not a client of ours, so I, I 444 00:24:56,532 --> 00:24:57,972 feel comfortable talking about it. 445 00:24:58,362 --> 00:25:00,372 Uh, Sandra Bullock had a situation 446 00:25:00,652 --> 00:25:00,772 Andy: Hmm. 447 00:25:00,822 --> 00:25:01,572 Samuel: home invader, 448 00:25:03,972 --> 00:25:07,992 it was probably a couple years ago now, and she's talking to the police 449 00:25:07,992 --> 00:25:10,842 dispatch, and telling them I'm in. 450 00:25:10,872 --> 00:25:13,062 I closed my safe door. 451 00:25:13,392 --> 00:25:14,802 Uh, but she had a stalker. 452 00:25:14,832 --> 00:25:15,942 She had a home invasion. 453 00:25:16,332 --> 00:25:21,312 And, uh, that safe room kept her safe until the cops arrived 454 00:25:21,312 --> 00:25:22,692 and apprehended the suspect. 455 00:25:23,082 --> 00:25:27,732 Um, so that's a very real world example of something happening. 456 00:25:27,912 --> 00:25:36,042 Now, far more often we hear the stories of where a safe room would have 457 00:25:36,492 --> 00:25:38,262 made a difference, where it would've 458 00:25:38,517 --> 00:25:38,807 Andy: Yeah. 459 00:25:39,432 --> 00:25:41,682 Samuel: where it would've prevented a tragedy. 460 00:25:43,017 --> 00:25:49,437 Those are the stories that we hear about most often that keep me up at night and 461 00:25:49,437 --> 00:25:56,487 that I carry a sense of guilt with because I look at these situations and say, we 462 00:25:56,487 --> 00:25:58,197 could have prevented a tragedy here. 463 00:25:58,677 --> 00:26:03,087 Uh, one story that, that I talk about often, uh, is that of a, a 464 00:26:03,087 --> 00:26:05,667 young girl in, uh, rural Wisconsin. 465 00:26:05,667 --> 00:26:11,217 Her name is Jamie Kloss, and she was followed home one day. 466 00:26:11,577 --> 00:26:12,717 Uh, from school. 467 00:26:14,307 --> 00:26:18,807 Later that night, the guy came back to her house, knocked on 468 00:26:18,807 --> 00:26:20,757 the door, her Jamie's father. 469 00:26:20,757 --> 00:26:22,707 Jim came to the door. 470 00:26:22,707 --> 00:26:24,597 He was shot and killed immediately. 471 00:26:26,967 --> 00:26:31,017 The guy then broke into the house, found Jamie and her mother hiding in a 472 00:26:31,017 --> 00:26:33,267 bathroom, which is a natural instinct. 473 00:26:33,267 --> 00:26:35,337 They were looking for a safe place. 474 00:26:36,297 --> 00:26:39,447 It was a locked bathroom door, but that didn't stop him Very long. 475 00:26:40,932 --> 00:26:43,632 He proceeded to take Jamie's mother. 476 00:26:43,632 --> 00:26:50,922 Denise killed her in front of Jamie and then kidnapped Jamie and held her for 88 477 00:26:50,922 --> 00:26:57,792 days until she built up the courage to try and escape, to run away, which she did 478 00:26:57,792 --> 00:27:01,002 successfully, and, and he was apprehended. 479 00:27:02,082 --> 00:27:09,432 This is the type of, uh, story that really highlights crime can be very random. 480 00:27:10,842 --> 00:27:16,602 And you don't have to be a millionaire or a celebrity to be touched by it. 481 00:27:17,982 --> 00:27:21,372 This type of situation, we can talk about Sandra Bullock all we 482 00:27:21,372 --> 00:27:23,022 want, but at the end of the day, 483 00:27:23,142 --> 00:27:26,562 that's not who the vast majority of us are gonna be able to relate to. 484 00:27:27,062 --> 00:27:27,412 Andy: Right. 485 00:27:27,732 --> 00:27:32,262 Samuel: Uh, the story of Jamie Kloss and her parents, Jim and Denise, that's 486 00:27:32,262 --> 00:27:34,092 something that we can all understand. 487 00:27:34,782 --> 00:27:39,882 Rural Wisconsin, middle class family, uh, both her parents 488 00:27:39,882 --> 00:27:44,112 worked at the local, uh, meat, meat packing plant, I believe it was. 489 00:27:44,682 --> 00:27:51,282 These are ordinary people and if they had, had a room, doesn't have to 490 00:27:51,282 --> 00:27:53,742 have a, a specialized drawer on it. 491 00:27:53,862 --> 00:27:59,052 Just a, a slightly safer place that they could have gone, the 492 00:27:59,052 --> 00:28:03,882 door and called the cops, it would've bought them a few minutes. 493 00:28:04,662 --> 00:28:10,032 For help to arrive and it would've prevented tragedy that's what it all 494 00:28:10,032 --> 00:28:12,357 comes down to, preventing tragedies. 495 00:28:13,562 --> 00:28:17,402 Andy: Um, think about the average front door that's on the home of a, you 496 00:28:17,402 --> 00:28:19,382 know, a middle class suburban house. 497 00:28:19,802 --> 00:28:25,022 Um, what makes, tell me the difference between an the 498 00:28:25,022 --> 00:28:27,062 average door and a security door. 499 00:28:27,062 --> 00:28:28,082 What's different? 500 00:28:28,082 --> 00:28:29,792 What are the upgrades? 501 00:28:30,152 --> 00:28:32,042 Um, kind of walk me through that process. 502 00:28:33,227 --> 00:28:37,427 Samuel: So the difference is I would say, 503 00:28:37,487 --> 00:28:40,397 one, having multiple locking points. 504 00:28:41,862 --> 00:28:46,667 A one inch deadbolt is great, multiple deadbolts is much better. 505 00:28:47,057 --> 00:28:47,477 So. 506 00:28:48,302 --> 00:28:52,382 Multi-point locking systems, or even if you're just adding additional deadbolts 507 00:28:52,382 --> 00:28:57,362 into your existing door, that you're doing is gonna be an improvement. 508 00:28:58,082 --> 00:29:04,652 So we don't have to strive for perfection, we're just trying to make things stronger. 509 00:29:04,922 --> 00:29:06,602 Improving the resistance. 510 00:29:06,872 --> 00:29:16,592 So one locking points, two steel framing or reinforced jam kits at very least. 511 00:29:17,402 --> 00:29:21,482 You don't have to totally replace your door frame with the 512 00:29:21,482 --> 00:29:24,392 steel frame, if you can, great. 513 00:29:24,602 --> 00:29:24,992 Do it. 514 00:29:25,232 --> 00:29:29,042 You won't regret the decision, maybe that's not an option. 515 00:29:29,492 --> 00:29:35,702 Add a reinforced jam kit that's gonna strengthen is otherwise likely a wooden 516 00:29:35,702 --> 00:29:43,952 door jam, wooden door frame, make it a lot more secure, uh, when you can have an 517 00:29:43,982 --> 00:29:46,442 outswing door rather than an inswing door. 518 00:29:46,862 --> 00:29:54,182 The basic physics of an outswing door are more resistant to trying to kick it in. 519 00:29:54,182 --> 00:29:59,072 Someone trying to use a, a battering ram, which obviously people aren't 520 00:29:59,132 --> 00:30:03,392 carrying around lightly, but sledgehammers axis, things like that. 521 00:30:03,482 --> 00:30:10,382 And Outswing door is gonna be more resistant to a basic attack an 522 00:30:10,382 --> 00:30:16,052 inswing door, just because of physics of the direction that a doorways. 523 00:30:17,162 --> 00:30:20,252 are typically the three most important starting points. 524 00:30:20,582 --> 00:30:28,472 Uh, additional locking points, stronger framing, and if you can, an outswing door. 525 00:30:29,162 --> 00:30:33,692 look at those as really being the low hanging fruit of where you can start. 526 00:30:34,142 --> 00:30:35,762 If you have glass in your door. 527 00:30:35,762 --> 00:30:39,842 I often, uh, recommend window. 528 00:30:39,902 --> 00:30:42,152 Uh, the 3M security film. 529 00:30:42,962 --> 00:30:44,252 it as good as. 530 00:30:45,032 --> 00:30:48,362 Uh, a high security glass, bullet resistant glass. 531 00:30:48,752 --> 00:30:54,362 No, but it helps, it's making your door more entry resistant. 532 00:30:55,112 --> 00:31:00,302 other point I wanted to touch on, because as I was saying earlier, we have a gun 533 00:31:00,302 --> 00:31:06,212 culture, not a security door culture, when Americans do think of security 534 00:31:06,212 --> 00:31:11,642 doors, typically the first thing that comes to mind is, oh, a bulletproof door. 535 00:31:12,557 --> 00:31:14,987 That's what we think of when we think of security doors. 536 00:31:16,037 --> 00:31:23,717 Now the reality of it is bullet resistance is not the most important criteria 537 00:31:24,107 --> 00:31:25,847 when it comes to a security door. 538 00:31:26,807 --> 00:31:28,007 far more important? 539 00:31:28,007 --> 00:31:30,737 What is forced entry resistance? 540 00:31:30,947 --> 00:31:32,417 How hard is it to break? 541 00:31:32,417 --> 00:31:37,607 In the example I give, we can build a fantastic. 542 00:31:38,372 --> 00:31:41,252 Uh, level eight security door, UL level eight. 543 00:31:41,252 --> 00:31:42,862 That will stop a 7 6 2 round. 544 00:31:45,362 --> 00:31:48,392 But if I can pry that door open in 15 seconds, 545 00:31:48,837 --> 00:31:49,187 Andy: Right. 546 00:31:49,202 --> 00:31:49,832 Samuel: what good is it? 547 00:31:50,162 --> 00:31:52,472 It's not gonna stop any bullets when it's open. 548 00:31:53,792 --> 00:31:59,057 Forced entry resistance for the vast majority of us is the most important 549 00:31:59,522 --> 00:32:02,222 security criteria in our doors. 550 00:32:02,462 --> 00:32:03,932 How difficult is it to break in? 551 00:32:04,532 --> 00:32:05,937 How difficult is it to break through? 552 00:32:06,437 --> 00:32:10,427 And that's the State Department forced entry testing that we do. 553 00:32:10,817 --> 00:32:14,357 Some of our clients also do need bullet resistance, but we 554 00:32:14,357 --> 00:32:16,577 always offer that as an option. 555 00:32:16,937 --> 00:32:22,127 Doors don't have to be bullet resistant when we test them, we test doors that 556 00:32:22,217 --> 00:32:27,407 are not bullet resistant so that we know, hey, if our doors are passing the test 557 00:32:27,407 --> 00:32:33,107 without that additional hardened steel, when you do add 'em in, they're going 558 00:32:33,107 --> 00:32:35,777 to be exponentially stronger for that. 559 00:32:36,137 --> 00:32:36,707 Attack. 560 00:32:37,067 --> 00:32:42,857 Uh, but sure that you're focusing on forced entry resistance. 561 00:32:43,157 --> 00:32:47,537 How hard is it to break in rather than just saying, oh, I'm adding 562 00:32:47,807 --> 00:32:51,497 a bullet resistant fiberglass or bullet resistant steel into my door. 563 00:32:51,677 --> 00:32:52,307 I'm good now. 564 00:32:53,417 --> 00:32:55,937 Not necessarily forced entry. 565 00:32:56,027 --> 00:33:00,497 That's the, that's where we should all start thinking we 566 00:33:00,497 --> 00:33:01,967 talk about security doors. 567 00:33:03,642 --> 00:33:04,302 Andy: I like that. 568 00:33:04,392 --> 00:33:04,722 Yeah. 569 00:33:04,782 --> 00:33:06,852 And, and lots of great points in there. 570 00:33:06,852 --> 00:33:09,342 You brought up the, uh, the glass in the door. 571 00:33:09,342 --> 00:33:12,912 I remember watching a new story from, gosh, maybe eight or nine years ago, 572 00:33:13,212 --> 00:33:16,602 somebody had kicked in this poor lady's back door out in California, 573 00:33:16,842 --> 00:33:20,082 so she had a locksmith come and put a second deadbolt on the door. 574 00:33:20,352 --> 00:33:21,642 So great, wonderful. 575 00:33:21,942 --> 00:33:24,522 But the whole top half of the door was glass. 576 00:33:25,672 --> 00:33:28,792 Like, there were thumb locks on the other side, so you could just punch 577 00:33:28,792 --> 00:33:31,942 through the glass and then click, click and you were, you were in. 578 00:33:32,452 --> 00:33:36,712 And so I think it's, we talked about having the, the door locking culture. 579 00:33:36,712 --> 00:33:40,582 We can have like a wonderful security door and a great plan, but unless we 580 00:33:40,612 --> 00:33:45,382 execute it and we are prepared for it, um, like you said in the, in the Pelosi 581 00:33:45,382 --> 00:33:47,362 example, it's, it's not going to work. 582 00:33:47,542 --> 00:33:49,582 So, um, so yeah. 583 00:33:49,652 --> 00:33:52,142 Samuel: use the tools that we already have. 584 00:33:52,592 --> 00:33:55,767 Let's start with using what we already have, and that'll make a big difference. 585 00:33:56,757 --> 00:34:01,287 Andy: So Samuel, you know, home security is not just one particular thing. 586 00:34:01,287 --> 00:34:02,967 There's a holistic approach to it. 587 00:34:02,967 --> 00:34:06,957 What are your thoughts on like a multi-point home security system? 588 00:34:07,822 --> 00:34:13,552 Samuel: Security doors and windows are one part of the equation and they're 589 00:34:13,552 --> 00:34:20,362 an important part, and I'll come to it afterwards, but lighting, alarms, 590 00:34:20,452 --> 00:34:25,282 those are all very important parts of a comprehensive security system. 591 00:34:26,692 --> 00:34:29,482 On their own, they are tools. 592 00:34:29,542 --> 00:34:35,062 For example, cameras, unless they're being monitored 24 7 are really 593 00:34:35,062 --> 00:34:39,892 an investigative tool to try and catch the bad guys afterwards. 594 00:34:40,702 --> 00:34:43,342 a camera probably isn't gonna stop. 595 00:34:43,372 --> 00:34:49,672 A determined intruder from getting in lighting will good. 596 00:34:49,672 --> 00:34:53,687 Lighting motion sensors can be a very effective deterrent. 597 00:34:54,172 --> 00:34:59,902 For opportunistic crimes, we've, we've all seen, uh, security camera clips of someone 598 00:34:59,902 --> 00:35:04,492 walking around a backyard trying to break in motion sensor goes off, lighting 599 00:35:04,492 --> 00:35:06,442 turns on, and they're out of there. 600 00:35:07,852 --> 00:35:09,082 Lighting is important. 601 00:35:09,862 --> 00:35:11,092 Cameras are important. 602 00:35:11,332 --> 00:35:17,452 Alarm systems are important that a DT sign on your front lawn can help 603 00:35:17,452 --> 00:35:19,942 deter some opportunistic criminals. 604 00:35:21,772 --> 00:35:28,072 But when you're talking about a determined someone who is not just 605 00:35:28,072 --> 00:35:32,422 opportunistically going around a neighborhood looking for the easiest 606 00:35:32,422 --> 00:35:37,312 home to hit, when we're talking about determined intruders there, you need 607 00:35:37,312 --> 00:35:40,612 more than just cameras lighting an alarm. 608 00:35:41,002 --> 00:35:45,167 That's where things like security doors, that's what's going to stop. 609 00:35:45,892 --> 00:35:47,992 determined intruder from getting into your home. 610 00:35:48,382 --> 00:35:51,172 That's what's going to keep you and your family safe. 611 00:35:51,442 --> 00:35:58,222 If someone is determined to get in lighting, cameras, alarms, they all help. 612 00:35:58,522 --> 00:36:02,782 They are, uh, essential parts of comprehensive security. 613 00:36:03,382 --> 00:36:06,562 But at the end of the day, what's gonna stop a determined intruder 614 00:36:06,952 --> 00:36:09,267 more often than not is a steel door. 615 00:36:10,202 --> 00:36:11,432 Andy: And that's a very good point. 616 00:36:11,822 --> 00:36:14,552 Um, Samuel, I've had a really good time talking to you. 617 00:36:14,642 --> 00:36:15,482 Uh, today. 618 00:36:15,572 --> 00:36:19,382 Uh, this kind of takes me back to my roots in starting The Secure Dad with 619 00:36:19,382 --> 00:36:21,152 talking about home security so much. 620 00:36:21,152 --> 00:36:25,472 And it's nice to sit here and talk with somebody who's an expert, who, who has, 621 00:36:25,532 --> 00:36:28,202 uh, who understands things li like I do. 622 00:36:28,202 --> 00:36:29,462 We share a lot of the same opinions. 623 00:36:29,462 --> 00:36:30,542 So this was really cool. 624 00:36:30,902 --> 00:36:32,012 So if, uh, if. 625 00:36:32,072 --> 00:36:35,287 Samuel: is mine and, and thank you for the opportunity to, to be on. 626 00:36:36,017 --> 00:36:36,497 Andy: Yeah, man. 627 00:36:36,857 --> 00:36:39,887 Um, so if people wanna know more about you and your business, 628 00:36:39,887 --> 00:36:40,997 where can they find you online? 629 00:36:42,107 --> 00:36:47,657 Samuel: So first at our website, shield security doors.com, uh, on Twitter at 630 00:36:47,657 --> 00:36:49,997 uh, shield Sec Doors, I believe it is. 631 00:36:50,387 --> 00:36:54,017 Um, we try to blog, uh, at least once a month. 632 00:36:54,407 --> 00:37:01,787 Uh, but for your audience, what is so valuable us is hearing. 633 00:37:02,132 --> 00:37:08,912 Real world, day-to-day examples and stories of their experiences with home 634 00:37:08,912 --> 00:37:15,992 security and what happens in the course of, uh, unfortunately a home invasion. 635 00:37:16,022 --> 00:37:21,962 How they reacted, what they did, what they didn't do, which instincts kicked in, 636 00:37:22,322 --> 00:37:25,082 what was helpful to them and what wasn't. 637 00:37:25,082 --> 00:37:25,112 Uh. 638 00:37:26,477 --> 00:37:30,017 We will often hear from some of our clients, uh, when we're 639 00:37:30,017 --> 00:37:31,697 fabricating products for them. 640 00:37:31,937 --> 00:37:36,587 Uh, one for example, said to us, I want a door that I can lock from 641 00:37:36,587 --> 00:37:39,437 the inside that no one can get into. 642 00:37:39,437 --> 00:37:43,997 Otherwise, even if they had a key, particular client was concerned 643 00:37:43,997 --> 00:37:45,947 about bodyguards turning on him. 644 00:37:46,687 --> 00:37:46,907 Andy: Mm. 645 00:37:46,967 --> 00:37:51,677 Samuel: so we, we developed a, a lockout system whereby he can lock the door from 646 00:37:51,677 --> 00:37:54,497 the inside, turn an additional thumb turn. 647 00:37:54,887 --> 00:37:56,747 That mechanically disengages the lock. 648 00:37:56,747 --> 00:38:02,357 So even if someone came with the key, you can also apply this to a husband 649 00:38:02,357 --> 00:38:07,757 and wife situation, uh, with a marital dispute that goes horribly wrong, uh, 650 00:38:07,757 --> 00:38:09,257 where one is trying to kill the other. 651 00:38:09,677 --> 00:38:14,717 Uh, it allows us to have to provide someone inside with the peace 652 00:38:14,717 --> 00:38:18,257 of mind to know no one's getting in, even if they have the key. 653 00:38:18,947 --> 00:38:24,527 Those are very niche examples, but hearing from people about their experiences, that 654 00:38:24,527 --> 00:38:31,907 is the most valuable thing that we can learn from in how people react, what's 655 00:38:31,907 --> 00:38:34,607 happening, and also what's not happening. 656 00:38:34,727 --> 00:38:39,167 Sometimes we think a particular feature will be very helpful, very 657 00:38:39,167 --> 00:38:42,107 useful, and the reality is it's not. 658 00:38:43,217 --> 00:38:47,267 So hearing from people, that's the most, that's very valuable for us. 659 00:38:47,417 --> 00:38:51,677 So please get in touch if you have stories, experiences of things that 660 00:38:51,677 --> 00:38:54,797 you have lived through, or people that you know have lived through. 661 00:38:54,857 --> 00:38:55,937 I would love to hear about it. 662 00:38:56,428 --> 00:38:57,208 Andy: That is awesome. 663 00:38:57,208 --> 00:38:59,188 So Samuel, thank you so much for your time today. 664 00:38:59,188 --> 00:39:02,968 I appreciate what you're doing and, and being able to create a product 665 00:39:02,968 --> 00:39:04,348 that's gonna help so many people. 666 00:39:04,348 --> 00:39:05,578 Man, God bless you. 667 00:39:05,578 --> 00:39:06,058 I appreciate you. 668 00:39:07,138 --> 00:39:08,968 Samuel: Thank you, Andy, and have a good rest of the day. 669 00:39:13,435 --> 00:39:16,255 Andy: That's all we have for The Secure Family Podcast for today. 670 00:39:16,255 --> 00:39:17,605 Thank you friend for listening. 671 00:39:18,055 --> 00:39:19,915 Thanks again to Samuel for being on the show. 672 00:39:20,155 --> 00:39:23,015 For more on him, visit ShieldSecurityDoors.com. 673 00:39:23,875 --> 00:39:24,115 Take 674 00:39:24,115 --> 00:39:26,905 back your privacy and personal data 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