WEBVTT 00:00:08.888 --> 00:00:11.628 Welcome to episode 404 of in touch with ios the show 00:00:11.628 --> 00:00:15.028 the podcast that keeps you connected to the ever-changing apple 00:00:15.028 --> 00:00:17.828 ecosystem i am your host dave gansberg each week 00:00:17.828 --> 00:00:21.028 we break down the latest news updates tips and hidden 00:00:21.028 --> 00:00:25.788 features across iphone ipad apple watch mac vision pro and apple tv all with 00:00:25.788 --> 00:00:30.628 insights from friends experts and the apple community because here we read the 00:00:30.628 --> 00:00:35.048 release notes so you don't have to so let's see who's here this week and i'm 00:00:35.048 --> 00:00:40.648 going to start right away welcome back chuck joiner how you doing chuck back from ces how you been i 00:00:40.648 --> 00:00:46.088 Am i am back i made it through and i have only a moderate cough to show for 00:00:46.088 --> 00:00:48.688 the uh the days in vegas so. 00:00:48.688 --> 00:00:52.948 That's good it sounds like a lot of people if that didn't have too many too much trouble either 00:00:53.648 --> 00:00:58.248 Yeah i i know a couple that did but for the most part i think uh a lot of us 00:00:58.248 --> 00:01:00.268 came through relatively unscathed. 00:01:00.268 --> 00:01:09.528 Yeah so uh that's that's awesome uh and uh uh also jill with joe mckinley's here how you doing joe 00:01:09.528 --> 00:01:15.008 I'm doing great had a great new start of the year and so i'm ready for more technology 00:01:15.008 --> 00:01:22.228 Excellent excellent and uh jeff gamut is here this is uh i think day six so 00:01:22.228 --> 00:01:24.528 we've been together here how we 00:01:24.528 --> 00:01:32.288 Have let's see today is thursday so we've been hanging out every day since last friday 00:01:32.288 --> 00:01:34.828 That's right yeah 00:01:34.828 --> 00:01:39.308 Also i'm surprised any of us were able to make it here today that we were able 00:01:39.308 --> 00:01:41.568 to find the episode because it is 404 00:01:41.568 --> 00:01:46.108 Oh that's good one wow 00:01:48.468 --> 00:01:51.608 Jill how did you not come up with that joke before me i know 00:01:51.608 --> 00:01:56.168 I feel bad well first i thought No, that's 420. Oh, I get it now. 00:01:57.568 --> 00:02:00.568 Don't worry. That one's coming up and we'll have jokes for that too. 00:02:00.788 --> 00:02:02.068 And snacks. 00:02:02.468 --> 00:02:03.108 Lots of snacks. 00:02:03.708 --> 00:02:04.708 Yeah, lots of snacks. 00:02:06.079 --> 00:02:09.639 Let's see if he can recover from that. Eric Bolden is here. How you doing, 00:02:09.799 --> 00:02:14.059 Eric? Glad you're here. Good. Got to time my drinking better, though. Wow. 00:02:14.459 --> 00:02:15.759 I think you're doing great. 00:02:16.219 --> 00:02:20.739 And what bird do you have behind you today? Let's see. 00:02:20.959 --> 00:02:24.739 That was the white-throated sparrow. Still eating. 00:02:25.299 --> 00:02:31.139 Started eating earlier in the week. Still eating, which is maybe why it's nice, happy, and plump. 00:02:32.159 --> 00:02:33.439 Love white-throated sparrows. 00:02:34.439 --> 00:02:38.019 And, uh, we are going to give a shot. I want to give a shout out to Marty, Marty Jensius. 00:02:38.199 --> 00:02:41.239 He's not, he's a little under the weather today, so he could not make it, 00:02:41.319 --> 00:02:45.319 but we're going to miss him here, but, uh, hopefully he's listening and we'll, 00:02:45.319 --> 00:02:48.319 we'll, we'll get you back next week, but, uh, feel better, buddy. 00:02:48.979 --> 00:02:53.599 So, um, yeah, we're a lot, my God, there was so much news this week from Apple, 00:02:53.619 --> 00:02:59.139 uh, especially some new hot releases and beta and a lot of other stuff. 00:02:59.139 --> 00:03:01.959 And uh and we also have um so many 00:03:01.959 --> 00:03:04.659 other topics to talk about but the big thing that was 00:03:04.659 --> 00:03:07.879 going on was um uh was uh 00:03:07.879 --> 00:03:11.179 ces and you know we covered a little bit of it last week i just took it from 00:03:11.179 --> 00:03:14.979 a lot of the press releases and websites about the stuff but uh chuck you oh 00:03:14.979 --> 00:03:18.479 we always lean on you a little bit because you spent the entire week in las 00:03:18.479 --> 00:03:22.359 vegas and there was so much great stuff going on i know the show starts off 00:03:22.359 --> 00:03:26.759 with the ces unveiled i kind of completely kind of across the sessions you went. 00:03:27.439 --> 00:03:31.079 So CES Unveiled, how did that turn out? Because I heard some people were not 00:03:31.079 --> 00:03:34.899 too excited about this year, but others were, they were too bad. How did that session go? 00:03:35.979 --> 00:03:42.359 You know, Dave, some of this is so subjective because it kind of depends on your interests. And... 00:03:43.763 --> 00:03:47.743 There were things there that really had no relevance to any of my audience or 00:03:47.743 --> 00:03:49.583 anything that I was particularly interested in. 00:03:49.963 --> 00:03:53.603 There were others that were, you know, I thought really, really good. 00:03:54.403 --> 00:03:58.403 It's always an interesting dance to try to figure out, do you want to talk to them at Unveiled? 00:03:58.583 --> 00:04:02.163 Do you want to try to talk to them on the show floor when theoretically they 00:04:02.163 --> 00:04:06.203 have a little bigger presence and, you know, there's maybe a little more time? 00:04:06.463 --> 00:04:12.303 Because Unveiled ends up, as all the press events do, it ends up being sort 00:04:12.303 --> 00:04:13.523 of a race against the clock. 00:04:13.763 --> 00:04:21.083 Um, and so I, I, we, we ran out of time with, uh, see, you know, 00:04:21.343 --> 00:04:24.243 well, actually come to think of it, we ran out of time at all the events, 00:04:24.263 --> 00:04:26.763 um, because there were so many vendors there. 00:04:27.103 --> 00:04:31.703 Um, and so, you know, I, I'm, I'm hesitant to say anything was, 00:04:31.863 --> 00:04:35.563 was not good because I think it's in the eye of the beholder. 00:04:36.083 --> 00:04:41.943 That said, I felt like there were a lot more things that were relevant for my 00:04:41.943 --> 00:04:45.643 audience and the kind of things I wanted to cover as opposed to –. 00:04:47.103 --> 00:04:51.523 Some other folks. I will say this, though, about Unveiled. 00:04:51.623 --> 00:04:57.103 Unveiled is kind of unique because you get almost no listing of who's going 00:04:57.103 --> 00:05:00.663 to be there unless you're reading all the press releases and somebody says, 00:05:00.863 --> 00:05:05.723 we will be at Unveiled, and then this event, that event, and on the show floor. 00:05:06.363 --> 00:05:12.623 So you're trying to figure out who's, and there are some companies that only go to Unveiled. 00:05:12.823 --> 00:05:16.743 There are some companies that only go to one or the other of the other press events. 00:05:17.483 --> 00:05:19.843 So trying to do that puzzle is always fun. 00:05:20.863 --> 00:05:24.363 So that said, you know, we got some great interviews at Unveiled, 00:05:24.543 --> 00:05:29.783 trying to make sure that we make connections with old friends and people that 00:05:29.783 --> 00:05:31.523 we might not get to on the show floor. 00:05:32.103 --> 00:05:37.023 And, you know, again, it was the one thing you got to remember about Unveiled, 00:05:37.123 --> 00:05:39.483 though, is that's Unveiled. 00:05:39.623 --> 00:05:41.963 That's the very first thing that is shown. 00:05:42.123 --> 00:05:46.963 And so So when the rest of the world gets up on Monday morning and watches the 00:05:46.963 --> 00:05:52.543 news on their local station or national, most things that are unveiled are going 00:05:52.543 --> 00:05:53.703 to be the things that they see. 00:05:53.983 --> 00:05:57.823 Right. Because it's the first chance. So you have a lot more press with camera 00:05:57.823 --> 00:06:04.343 crews and clearly broadcast crews there recording interviews or recording B-roll 00:06:04.343 --> 00:06:07.183 to put behind whatever they're talking about. 00:06:07.523 --> 00:06:09.603 So it's probably the most... 00:06:10.437 --> 00:06:13.837 The most televised or broadcast of the press events. 00:06:14.717 --> 00:06:19.957 Yeah, that is. So then you moved on to the show floor, and you stayed real busy, I'm sure, on Monday. 00:06:20.497 --> 00:06:24.917 And then you had the press event that Monday night, which I believe it is, is PEPCOM, right? 00:06:25.877 --> 00:06:31.457 PEPCOM was Monday night. And I heard it was really packed. Yeah, it was. 00:06:32.217 --> 00:06:36.597 They really need to make it longer because we had to leave a number of exhibitors 00:06:36.597 --> 00:06:42.377 on the table that we had on our list because they're just, you can't get to them all. 00:06:42.997 --> 00:06:48.137 But again, some really interesting events, excuse me, really interesting products. 00:06:48.677 --> 00:06:56.177 And it's strange how you see some of these people for 10, 15 minutes, maybe, 00:06:56.657 --> 00:07:02.397 once a year, but you all remember each other and you come back and shaking hands 00:07:02.397 --> 00:07:06.457 and hugs and hey, you made it back again or another year. 00:07:06.457 --> 00:07:13.297 And so there was quite a bit of that, and more so at Pepcom and Showstoppers. 00:07:13.777 --> 00:07:19.237 But some at CES, pardon me, on Dale as well. Yeah. 00:07:20.357 --> 00:07:24.297 So, so, uh, uh, what really stood out on a Pepcom if you, if you can recall 00:07:24.297 --> 00:07:27.037 offhand that, that, that you found, uh, I mean, I saw that we got, 00:07:27.037 --> 00:07:28.517 you got three episodes already published. I know. 00:07:28.597 --> 00:07:30.917 So I saw, we'll go make sure I've linked to that in the show notes here. 00:07:31.417 --> 00:07:35.457 Uh, and, um, I, I saw you had a bird feeder. That was interesting. 00:07:35.617 --> 00:07:38.277 And I saw when you recorded it, you were kind of behind a pole. 00:07:40.077 --> 00:07:44.557 Yeah, they had, well, the first two interviews we did were actually at the same table. 00:07:44.757 --> 00:07:48.537 And I didn't realize that until we finished. It's the same company. 00:07:49.017 --> 00:07:53.797 Oh, okay. One does a security, the one side of the company does a security camera 00:07:53.797 --> 00:07:59.177 that is cellular and wireless. It runs off of the solar panel. 00:07:59.977 --> 00:08:06.437 And the other side of the company does a connected bird feeder that also runs off of solar. 00:08:06.917 --> 00:08:10.617 So I kind of love the way they were leveraging the similarities. 00:08:10.997 --> 00:08:15.417 But, yeah, the first one behind the pole, there was just literally no room. 00:08:16.077 --> 00:08:20.357 So the person you're interviewing and the product are always more important. 00:08:20.597 --> 00:08:25.497 So I stuck my head out from behind the pole and, you know, got on camera for 00:08:25.497 --> 00:08:26.617 a minute and then took off. 00:08:27.737 --> 00:08:30.737 Yeah, yeah. The bird feeder was also, you'll see that, you know, 00:08:30.817 --> 00:08:35.917 again, we're a little bit obscured because there's only so much room. 00:08:36.577 --> 00:08:41.677 Right. And just to give folks an understanding here, when it comes to all the 00:08:41.677 --> 00:08:44.717 press events, everyone there is on an equal footing. 00:08:45.277 --> 00:08:48.957 They have only so much table space, and that's it. 00:08:49.357 --> 00:08:53.677 Just like, you know, it's not like the massive booths or the small booths on the show floor. 00:08:54.217 --> 00:08:58.557 Everybody has the same thing. And so when you have one company trying to display 00:08:58.557 --> 00:09:02.337 two materially different products, it got really cramped in there. 00:09:02.965 --> 00:09:03.685 Yeah, yeah. 00:09:04.465 --> 00:09:09.045 And then, did you see, I assume you saw our good friend Larry O'Connor at the 00:09:09.045 --> 00:09:10.965 OWC? Did you talk to him also? 00:09:11.125 --> 00:09:14.925 We talked to Larry. He was starting to lose his voice at Showstoppers. 00:09:15.265 --> 00:09:16.265 Uh-oh, that's early. 00:09:16.425 --> 00:09:21.765 Uh-oh, that's early. Yeah. But he ran us through some of the new cool things. 00:09:22.965 --> 00:09:28.965 Usually when we talk to Larry at CES, he's focusing on a lot more of the high-end stuff. 00:09:29.445 --> 00:09:34.385 And so we talked to him. We talked to someone they have invested in, 00:09:34.505 --> 00:09:38.545 and that's going to be an interview that comes out, and it would take me half 00:09:38.545 --> 00:09:40.365 the show to explain what it is. 00:09:40.465 --> 00:09:44.505 But suffice it to say, it was really, really cool. Stay tuned. 00:09:45.411 --> 00:09:47.651 Yeah, you know, I was just, I was looking over the list here, 00:09:47.971 --> 00:09:51.511 trying to break it down into, let's see, who did we talk to when? I don't remember. 00:09:52.311 --> 00:09:56.691 Yeah, it's okay. It's tough. We had a great visit with Mac Paw, 00:09:57.331 --> 00:10:01.831 talking about CleanMyMac and some of the things that they're doing. Cool. 00:10:02.531 --> 00:10:07.851 We made our annual stop at NextBase, which is my favorite dash cam, 00:10:08.051 --> 00:10:11.431 and they just keep bringing out great things. 00:10:11.431 --> 00:10:15.491 And I'll give a little plug to them because they are working with Mitsubishi 00:10:15.491 --> 00:10:18.931 to make their dash cams OEM. 00:10:19.811 --> 00:10:24.271 So that you can walk into a Mitsubishi dealer and say, you know, 00:10:24.311 --> 00:10:28.231 I want the floor mat, I want, you know, this, I want that, and I want a dash cam. 00:10:28.531 --> 00:10:31.471 And it'll be installed as a factory install. 00:10:32.571 --> 00:10:36.911 So that's, there are a couple other car brands that do that, 00:10:36.991 --> 00:10:42.491 but not many. And I think it's crazy that they don't, because dashcams are something 00:10:42.491 --> 00:10:44.211 that in today's world you really need. 00:10:45.131 --> 00:10:45.371 Yeah, yeah. 00:10:46.311 --> 00:10:49.791 Let's see. We had a great conversation with Plod. 00:10:50.711 --> 00:10:56.631 Oh, nice. That was unveiled. Yes, that was unveiled about what they're doing. 00:10:56.791 --> 00:10:59.851 They're bringing out a new version that you strap to your wrist. 00:10:59.851 --> 00:11:04.451 And this is one that you can, while you're talking, you can reach over and touch 00:11:04.451 --> 00:11:08.351 a button and set a marker during the conversation for something that's really important. 00:11:08.951 --> 00:11:09.391 Yeah. 00:11:10.446 --> 00:11:16.206 Um so that was that looks really great um we talked to road um which i know 00:11:16.206 --> 00:11:18.606 dave you're you're using a road i can't wait to. 00:11:18.606 --> 00:11:19.166 See that one 00:11:19.166 --> 00:11:26.086 Yeah um and they're going to cost you some money trust me i know that's that's 00:11:26.086 --> 00:11:31.946 what i'm going to say um satechi satechi had a really nice uh dock i. 00:11:31.946 --> 00:11:34.346 Saw yeah i saw it i was tempted to 00:11:34.346 --> 00:11:40.226 Buy it yeah there's some there's some very cool there were a lot of docs at CES this year. 00:11:40.846 --> 00:11:44.526 So I think people are figuring that out, that, you know, people want to connect 00:11:44.526 --> 00:11:47.286 more than just what we can put on our ports. 00:11:49.066 --> 00:11:53.906 Let's see, we talked to Zback. They have improved their three... 00:11:53.906 --> 00:11:55.446 Yeah, that's the dual screen. 00:11:55.946 --> 00:12:01.146 Yeah, their extra dual screen so that it's better, it's more solid. 00:12:02.566 --> 00:12:05.746 And it... Not that there was anything wrong with prior versions, 00:12:05.866 --> 00:12:09.106 but this one just feels sturdier and more solid. 00:12:09.266 --> 00:12:14.406 It might be just a little bit heavier, but I'll take that over fragility any day. 00:12:15.902 --> 00:12:20.762 Um, anything, anything Apple centric that did you, cases, I'm sure you saw cases 00:12:20.762 --> 00:12:23.122 galore for iPhones and, and such. 00:12:23.642 --> 00:12:30.102 Um, Dave, we only interviewed one iPhone case vendor and I'm going to say that as a surprise. 00:12:30.302 --> 00:12:35.042 Um, because they, I will say this much that they were doing something unique 00:12:35.042 --> 00:12:38.982 with phone, with phone cases, um, from a construction standpoint. 00:12:39.842 --> 00:12:44.002 But there really, no, you know, it used to be iPhone case city. 00:12:44.322 --> 00:12:49.362 And either we didn't find them or that's become a thing of the past, 00:12:49.582 --> 00:12:51.082 at least exhibiting at CES. 00:12:51.422 --> 00:12:53.362 I have a hypothesis on that, Chuck. 00:12:53.762 --> 00:12:54.702 Go for it, Jeff. 00:12:54.862 --> 00:12:58.922 I think the cases are harder to find now because, well, first, 00:12:59.102 --> 00:13:02.642 there was a time when everyone was making an iPod and an iPhone case. 00:13:02.862 --> 00:13:06.382 Like, we make smart toasters and an iPhone case. 00:13:06.962 --> 00:13:11.342 And so we're beyond that. But the other thing is the whole iLounge pavilion, 00:13:11.742 --> 00:13:16.362 that's not the thing that it was. 00:13:16.562 --> 00:13:18.982 Actually, I don't even think it's a thing anymore. 00:13:19.442 --> 00:13:25.302 And so with the iLounge pavilion, we had that very concentrated area where you 00:13:25.302 --> 00:13:30.422 walked in, and the joke became, oh, it's the iPhone case pavilion. 00:13:31.701 --> 00:13:32.001 Yeah. 00:13:32.601 --> 00:13:35.141 So now it's all just spread out a lot more. 00:13:36.121 --> 00:13:41.021 And, you know, I think at some point the profit margin is such on cases that 00:13:41.021 --> 00:13:43.041 they just can't justify coming. 00:13:43.401 --> 00:13:51.081 You know, they can just – in fact, Speck was one – they had one of those booths inside of booths. 00:13:51.861 --> 00:13:57.841 But it was like really small and so it's just – That's different for them. Yeah. 00:13:58.061 --> 00:14:00.861 That's different for them, yeah. Yeah, because they've always been a big presence, 00:14:00.861 --> 00:14:02.861 and they really weren't this time around. 00:14:04.081 --> 00:14:08.401 I'm looking at my list, and I do want to mention just a couple things specifically. 00:14:09.121 --> 00:14:10.881 One more thing to ask once you get through those. 00:14:11.181 --> 00:14:15.601 Okay. Well, there's one I want to bring up because they do great products. 00:14:15.901 --> 00:14:19.941 I love them, and it's STM Brands out of Australia. Yeah. 00:14:20.681 --> 00:14:25.981 Great people, great products, but I feel obligated to push the— and mention 00:14:25.981 --> 00:14:33.761 that every year they give away skateboards at ces the line for skateboards is 00:14:33.761 --> 00:14:39.941 insane because you have to sign a waiver to be given the skateboard yeah because you. 00:14:39.941 --> 00:14:42.201 Get hurt yeah exactly you get it home 00:14:42.201 --> 00:14:48.481 Well yeah there's that but but it's it's but they give away 2500 skateboards. 00:14:50.759 --> 00:14:52.459 It wasn't worth waiting for a line for that. 00:14:52.959 --> 00:14:54.539 How many of them do you have, Chuck? 00:14:54.919 --> 00:14:55.839 You have that collection. 00:14:55.959 --> 00:14:56.259 Don't you? 00:14:56.479 --> 00:15:00.779 I do not. I do not. But the line is fast. I mean, it's like an hour long. 00:15:01.199 --> 00:15:05.279 And to spend an hour of CES time waiting for a skateboard. 00:15:05.939 --> 00:15:09.059 But the promotion works every year. 00:15:10.179 --> 00:15:15.679 Every hour costs so much money at CES, even if you're not a vendor. 00:15:16.559 --> 00:15:23.539 I cannot imagine waiting in a line for an hour for anything at CES because there's 00:15:23.539 --> 00:15:26.119 so many other companies I could be seeing. 00:15:27.379 --> 00:15:30.399 Jeff, that's exactly it. That's exactly it. 00:15:31.159 --> 00:15:32.579 The other company I wanted to 00:15:32.579 --> 00:15:36.599 point out is Rolling Square. Some of you may know them for their cables. 00:15:36.899 --> 00:15:42.099 They've expanded into a number of other things as a number of the exhibitors have. 00:15:42.819 --> 00:15:50.039 But we met Una last year, and she's been very nice to us, and it was great to 00:15:50.039 --> 00:15:54.399 see her again, but also to see what they were talking about and showing, 00:15:54.819 --> 00:15:59.119 one of which is completely off the wall from their usual line. 00:15:59.119 --> 00:16:05.839 And it's a combination digital, it's an analog-style digital camera, 00:16:05.839 --> 00:16:10.359 but you have to load a digital pack in. 00:16:10.379 --> 00:16:14.259 You can only take 12 shots with it before you have to, or excuse me, 00:16:14.659 --> 00:16:19.359 maybe 24, before you have to load the next pack in. 00:16:19.579 --> 00:16:24.059 And then you can print or use the digital versions. 00:16:24.619 --> 00:16:29.219 So, and it looks like, I'm afraid, is it the Olympus? 00:16:29.439 --> 00:16:32.879 The one that's so hot on TikTok right now that's, you know, very retro. 00:16:33.359 --> 00:16:35.839 Mm-hmm. I think you're like an. 00:16:35.839 --> 00:16:36.759 OM-1 or something. 00:16:37.099 --> 00:16:40.639 Yeah, yeah. So that was an interesting little twist from there. 00:16:42.579 --> 00:16:48.099 I'm trying to visualize that. Is this like a, like, so it's like the shape of 00:16:48.099 --> 00:16:52.679 the film roll that would go in the camera. So you can put it in an SLR. 00:16:53.370 --> 00:16:59.430 And where the film would be, it's like a digital sensor to load. 00:17:00.130 --> 00:17:04.630 No, no, it's actually the form factor of, it's the whole thing, 00:17:04.770 --> 00:17:07.730 Jeff, not just what I described film-wise. 00:17:07.770 --> 00:17:09.010 So it's the camera as well. 00:17:09.210 --> 00:17:10.310 It's the camera as well. 00:17:10.610 --> 00:17:11.010 Uh-huh. 00:17:11.510 --> 00:17:14.910 And it's one of those. Like a DSLR. Yeah. Oh, it's not a DSLR. 00:17:15.030 --> 00:17:16.070 No, it's like a little compact. 00:17:16.770 --> 00:17:21.570 Oh, okay. But it's, again, it's so retro, and there's not a lot of the sharpening 00:17:21.570 --> 00:17:25.730 and all that. They make it very clear that this is supposed to be kind of like 00:17:25.730 --> 00:17:29.310 your old Kodak snapshots. Does it shoot raw? 00:17:29.530 --> 00:17:29.890 Do you know? 00:17:30.410 --> 00:17:32.970 Oh, I don't know. I think it shoots what it shoots, Jeff. 00:17:34.370 --> 00:17:39.330 Chuck, you're letting me down, man. You need to ask all the important questions. 00:17:40.330 --> 00:17:41.210 Jeff, there's always so much time. 00:17:41.210 --> 00:17:42.610 I'm giving you a hard time. I love you. 00:17:42.610 --> 00:17:47.770 Oh, I know. I know you know what it's like. because what we're trying to do 00:17:47.770 --> 00:17:53.910 is we try to go and take the attitude of if you came to CES and you're walking 00:17:53.910 --> 00:17:56.190 around, you see something interesting, you walk up, 00:17:56.310 --> 00:18:00.110 you get the elevator pitch, and then you move on to the next interesting thing. 00:18:00.330 --> 00:18:05.930 You know, you don't sit there for 20 or 30 minutes like some people do and take 00:18:05.930 --> 00:18:10.950 up both, take up CES time because there's always a line of people behind you 00:18:10.950 --> 00:18:13.970 that also want to see, also want to get the elevator pitch. 00:18:14.870 --> 00:18:19.130 So the theory is that if you've listened to the interviews we do and you're 00:18:19.130 --> 00:18:22.990 interested, click the links and go check it out and get all your questions answered. 00:18:23.690 --> 00:18:27.690 And if you don't, then you just do what you would do at CES. 00:18:27.810 --> 00:18:29.390 You walk on to the next interesting thing. 00:18:30.360 --> 00:18:35.100 Um, I, I just want to point out, Chuck, I just gave you a hard time. 00:18:35.360 --> 00:18:41.960 Everyone, if you've never checked out the videos that Chuck makes at CES, you absolutely need to. 00:18:42.160 --> 00:18:48.880 This man could teach a masterclass on how to go around a big convention and 00:18:48.880 --> 00:18:52.780 get all of the content from all of the vendors that you need to hit and then 00:18:52.780 --> 00:18:54.080 get it out in a compelling way. 00:18:54.460 --> 00:18:58.040 Just Chuck is amazing at what he does. Go check out his stuff. 00:18:58.400 --> 00:18:59.240 He's a machine. 00:18:59.760 --> 00:19:03.900 Jeff, I really appreciate that. We did have one. 00:19:04.160 --> 00:19:09.920 We had a couple little hiccups, technical hiccups, and we lost one interview 00:19:09.920 --> 00:19:12.400 that I was crushed because I really want to get it back. 00:19:12.720 --> 00:19:17.160 So we will be talking to them. But otherwise, Norbert – oh, and I also want 00:19:17.160 --> 00:19:22.540 to – Jeff was very kind to put me up front, but you wouldn't see all the coverage 00:19:22.540 --> 00:19:24.640 we do without Norbert Frosso behind the camera. 00:19:24.640 --> 00:19:29.260 I can't get him out from front of the camera, but he does an amazing job of 00:19:29.260 --> 00:19:31.660 keeping things straight and keeping us going. 00:19:32.040 --> 00:19:33.980 He's the best roadie you could hope for, Chuck. 00:19:34.980 --> 00:19:41.940 Absolutely. Absolutely. But I believe his count was 57 or 58 if everything turns out that we got. 00:19:42.080 --> 00:19:43.040 Oh, not bad. 00:19:43.220 --> 00:19:47.820 That's amazing. You are just a machine, Chuck. 00:19:48.040 --> 00:19:50.040 A machine. I ever say it every time. 00:19:50.420 --> 00:19:51.140 But you know. 00:19:51.180 --> 00:19:55.380 I witnessed it firsthand and you are. I couldn't even keep up. I just couldn't. 00:19:55.720 --> 00:20:00.640 Well, you know, the funny thing is that there's so many – these are all great people. 00:20:01.740 --> 00:20:06.200 And maybe we just get lucky. I don't know. We vet things pretty carefully. But –, 00:20:06.937 --> 00:20:10.757 You never get the impression that there are many people there that are just phoning it in. 00:20:11.737 --> 00:20:13.257 You know, that the people that 00:20:13.257 --> 00:20:17.097 are at the booths, even on day three and four, are excited to be there. 00:20:17.237 --> 00:20:20.637 And they want to talk to you. And they, you know, they want to have those conversations. 00:20:21.097 --> 00:20:24.377 And I think that's one of the reasons that I love CES so much. 00:20:24.517 --> 00:20:27.837 Just like I used to love Macworld, that there's so much energy. 00:20:27.837 --> 00:20:33.677 You come home physically exhausted, but very much emotionally recharged. Mm-hmm. 00:20:34.277 --> 00:20:37.117 All right. and then uh before we move on i just make sure to show 00:20:37.117 --> 00:20:39.937 what macvoices.com here this is the page that's 00:20:39.937 --> 00:20:43.637 got the first three first three uh sessions 00:20:43.637 --> 00:20:46.517 you you recorded at ces so please go 00:20:46.517 --> 00:20:50.957 check that out macvoices.com you'll find it there and uh yeah thanks chuck for 00:20:50.957 --> 00:20:54.737 giving taking the time to give us a bit of an insight on ces and we'll definitely 00:20:54.737 --> 00:20:58.837 be hearing more and then as i see things that are interesting as your videos 00:20:58.837 --> 00:21:04.177 come up we may even talk about it again so um so i'm i'm looking forward to your videos for sure 00:21:04.177 --> 00:21:08.917 Anytime but just let me warn you about one thing they're going to cost you money 00:21:08.917 --> 00:21:15.417 because you're going to want you know yeah especially road you're going to want this stuff so yeah. 00:21:16.101 --> 00:21:18.801 So, all right, let's go ahead and move on. We're going to hit beta, 00:21:18.921 --> 00:21:25.741 but I do want to mention that iOS 26.2.1 is going to be probably coming out 00:21:25.741 --> 00:21:30.981 very shortly since 26.3 is actually being prepared because we can anticipate 00:21:30.981 --> 00:21:32.141 that towards the end of the month. 00:21:32.381 --> 00:21:37.681 But it does appear that they're preparing to push out another software update in the interim. 00:21:38.321 --> 00:21:43.021 Apple's software engineers have started testing this. And according to the MacRumors 00:21:43.021 --> 00:21:47.541 Visitors log, as MacRumors has said, there's a reliable indicator of an upcoming iOS version. 00:21:47.741 --> 00:21:52.721 It's probably going to be a minor update to expect from bug fixes and security 00:21:52.721 --> 00:21:55.661 patches and such. But so that is that. 00:21:55.881 --> 00:22:01.161 And then with that, they did seed all the betas. 00:22:01.161 --> 00:22:05.181 I only had to spend too much time on that, but, uh, uh, iOS, 00:22:05.321 --> 00:22:11.921 uh, 26.3 beta, uh, vision, OS, uh, 26.3 beta two, it's beta two. 00:22:12.281 --> 00:22:17.321 And then you had watch OS and tvOS and, uh, nothing real notable that I could 00:22:17.321 --> 00:22:20.341 really say, we've got links in the show notes. You want to look at a little, little closer. 00:22:20.701 --> 00:22:25.921 Uh, but, uh, yeah, that those we're getting very close and it probably is going to look like, uh. 00:22:26.733 --> 00:22:30.693 Uh, it's going to be, it'd be hinting that, uh, it's going to be, 00:22:30.693 --> 00:22:34.993 uh, coming out in January, but around January 28th, I think is really that the 00:22:34.993 --> 00:22:36.233 date that they've been thrown out there. 00:22:36.593 --> 00:22:41.773 So, uh, and the other thing too, is actually that, uh, in 26.3, 00:22:42.053 --> 00:22:50.113 they are looking at a hint of upcoming end-to-end encryption for RCA, RCS messages. 00:22:50.473 --> 00:22:53.593 Um, you know, last March, of course, remember that 00:22:53.593 --> 00:22:56.313 apple announced the the support of this so it's 00:22:56.313 --> 00:22:59.793 been almost a year uh but uh the the 00:22:59.793 --> 00:23:02.673 feature is going to be mandatory where it's prohibited by local 00:23:02.673 --> 00:23:07.753 regulations which i would kind of expect maybe in the eu somewhere uh so yeah 00:23:07.753 --> 00:23:11.233 so they're talking about that so i'm excited to hear that uh you know we're 00:23:11.233 --> 00:23:16.633 with with who we work with in the android world we'll we'll have encrypted messages 00:23:16.633 --> 00:23:20.573 both ways on anybody that messages you. 00:23:20.953 --> 00:23:24.813 So that's a good thing. It's a very good thing here. 00:23:25.513 --> 00:23:27.953 And then in the Mac... Yeah, go ahead. 00:23:28.713 --> 00:23:32.153 On the end-to-end encryption thing, when Apple announced it 00:23:32.733 --> 00:23:38.313 coming to RCS a year ago, like you said, they also made it clear at the time 00:23:38.313 --> 00:23:43.393 that they're waiting for the official standard to be released because they weren't 00:23:43.393 --> 00:23:45.133 going to do any pre-release stuff for that. 00:23:45.353 --> 00:23:53.553 So that's, I think, been the big delay in getting RCS in messages. 00:23:55.000 --> 00:24:00.380 Yes. So, and then I want to say hi to everybody in the chat at youtube.com slash in touch with iOS. 00:24:00.700 --> 00:24:05.420 And Brian just sent this. He said, glad to see this encryption is enabled. 00:24:05.620 --> 00:24:10.200 Yes, I agree with you, Brian, that I'm glad to see that. And let's say hi to 00:24:10.200 --> 00:24:11.860 WebExby. He says he has pizza. 00:24:12.720 --> 00:24:15.300 Oh, nice. Let's all head over to WebEx. 00:24:15.300 --> 00:24:18.180 I'm gonna go over your place to have some pizza there and uh 00:24:18.180 --> 00:24:21.180 and uh and then uh wither buckets joined 00:24:21.180 --> 00:24:24.420 us as well as uh well he's uh he's out 00:24:24.420 --> 00:24:28.000 there and thanks for joining uh programming note 00:24:28.000 --> 00:24:31.320 i'll just make sure if we move on to mac i was going to mention that earlier uh we're 00:24:31.320 --> 00:24:34.000 gonna have two episodes this week so yeah yesterday it's already 00:24:34.000 --> 00:24:36.840 released this is as we're recording this episode 403 was 00:24:36.840 --> 00:24:40.080 with uh the wonderful katie fawkes and 00:24:40.080 --> 00:24:46.420 the the mastermind jeffa gamut and we talked about vhs tapes and retro and video 00:24:46.420 --> 00:24:50.760 and we just did a whole different topic that's kind of unusual to us also go 00:24:50.760 --> 00:24:54.540 check that out so you'll have two episodes in the in the feeds uh this this 00:24:54.540 --> 00:24:56.980 week uh for your pleasure so that 00:24:56.980 --> 00:24:58.040 Was a lot of fun to do 00:24:58.040 --> 00:25:02.800 That was a lot of fun yeah we had a lot of blast go check that out now it's in the feed so 00:25:02.800 --> 00:25:04.340 You weren't even in the av club 00:25:05.524 --> 00:25:07.684 Well, I am, I was in the AV club. 00:25:07.864 --> 00:25:09.584 Dave was, I was AV adjacent. 00:25:10.264 --> 00:25:10.704 Okay. 00:25:11.424 --> 00:25:12.704 But that's a whole nother story. 00:25:12.944 --> 00:25:15.144 I mean, I did spend a lot of time in the computer lab. 00:25:17.164 --> 00:25:24.664 So I will mention in touch with Mac this week, Mac OS Tahoe 26.3 Beta 2 was released. 00:25:26.324 --> 00:25:32.664 There isn't a ton of things to expect. You're going to, as we've noticed here, 00:25:32.824 --> 00:25:34.924 so there really isn't having much change that I noticed. 00:25:35.524 --> 00:25:39.964 With that and then um also 00:25:39.964 --> 00:25:42.964 in um in mac uh will they 00:25:42.964 --> 00:25:45.804 announce the uh will they announce the new back 00:25:45.804 --> 00:25:51.264 books this coming the end of this month i hope so because i've made my decision 00:25:51.264 --> 00:25:55.644 i'm going to i waited for the m5 pro and i'm going to purchase as soon as it 00:25:55.644 --> 00:25:58.764 comes out i got the money saved i'm happy i'm not going to get killed when i 00:25:58.764 --> 00:26:02.964 buy it um but um they're they're tending to uh uh, 00:26:03.384 --> 00:26:08.704 think that it may launch on 20, the 28th of January, which is coming up as we record here. 00:26:09.064 --> 00:26:12.764 Uh, so you're going to expect, uh, you're going to expect to see, 00:26:12.784 --> 00:26:15.984 uh, the MacBook pro line, uh, of, of Macs. 00:26:16.364 --> 00:26:22.324 Uh, and it, uh, it, it will, uh, it will be cool that they'll have those. 00:26:22.464 --> 00:26:25.584 Uh, and, uh, yeah, I'm, I'm looking forward to see what, what, 00:26:25.764 --> 00:26:28.924 what comes of, of that and see who of 00:26:28.924 --> 00:26:33.204 us will be in the market to switch i'm i'm i'm near because i got the m1 so 00:26:33.204 --> 00:26:38.424 um then lastly i will just mention this is a psa if you're still running monterey 00:26:38.424 --> 00:26:44.744 uh the google chrome if you're those you who use google chrome this is a psa 00:26:44.744 --> 00:26:48.164 that uh they're dropping support to mac os 12 monterey with 00:26:48.424 --> 00:26:52.924 chrome 151 so that means no security updates so you'll have to stop using it 00:26:52.924 --> 00:26:58.044 um so hopefully you can move to safari or another browser it's still supporting 00:26:58.044 --> 00:27:01.064 uh security uh so be be aware of that so 00:27:01.779 --> 00:27:04.499 And then let's move on to some other 00:27:04.499 --> 00:27:07.279 topics um this topic i was looking forward to 00:27:07.279 --> 00:27:09.879 talking about tonight this is about i was 00:27:09.879 --> 00:27:12.779 excited to hear this announcement apple introduces the new 00:27:12.779 --> 00:27:18.159 creative studio bundle uh i was kind of surprised about this it kind of i think 00:27:18.159 --> 00:27:22.439 i blindsided all of us here they introduced the creative studio bundle that's 00:27:22.439 --> 00:27:27.579 offering access to six creative apps as well as exclusive ai features and content 00:27:27.579 --> 00:27:31.779 but it'll be as part of a single subscription but Welcome to the world of subscriptions, of course. 00:27:31.959 --> 00:27:35.819 In the U.S., it's going to be $12.99 a month or $1.29 per year. 00:27:36.459 --> 00:27:42.039 It's going to include Final Cut Pro for the Mac and iPad. It'll include Logic 00:27:42.039 --> 00:27:43.699 Pro with the Mac and iPad. 00:27:44.299 --> 00:27:49.099 Pixelmator Pro on Mac and iPad. You have the Motion on the Mac, 00:27:49.259 --> 00:27:51.379 Compressor on the Mac, and Main Stage on the Mac. 00:27:51.639 --> 00:27:55.039 And Pixelmator Pro, which was previously only available on the Mac, 00:27:55.119 --> 00:27:56.639 it is coming to the iPad, too. 00:27:56.719 --> 00:27:59.599