Speaker3: Welcome to episode 404 of in touch with ios the show
Speaker3: the podcast that keeps you connected to the ever-changing apple
Speaker3: ecosystem i am your host dave gansberg each week
Speaker3: we break down the latest news updates tips and hidden
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Speaker3: release notes so you don't have to so let's see who's here this week and i'm
Speaker3: going to start right away welcome back chuck joiner how you doing chuck back from ces how you been i
Speaker0: Am i am back i made it through and i have only a moderate cough to show for
Speaker0: the uh the days in vegas so.
Speaker3: That's good it sounds like a lot of people if that didn't have too many too much trouble either
Speaker0: Yeah i i know a couple that did but for the most part i think uh a lot of us
Speaker0: came through relatively unscathed.
Speaker3: Yeah so uh that's that's awesome uh and uh uh also jill with joe mckinley's here how you doing joe
Speaker2: I'm doing great had a great new start of the year and so i'm ready for more technology
Speaker3: Excellent excellent and uh jeff gamut is here this is uh i think day six so
Speaker3: we've been together here how we
Speaker1: Have let's see today is thursday so we've been hanging out every day since last friday
Speaker3: That's right yeah
Speaker1: Also i'm surprised any of us were able to make it here today that we were able
Speaker1: to find the episode because it is 404
Speaker3: Oh that's good one wow
Speaker1: Jill how did you not come up with that joke before me i know
Speaker2: I feel bad well first i thought No, that's 420. Oh, I get it now.
Speaker1: Don't worry. That one's coming up and we'll have jokes for that too.
Speaker0: And snacks.
Speaker1: Lots of snacks.
Speaker3: Yeah, lots of snacks.
Speaker3: Let's see if he can recover from that. Eric Bolden is here. How you doing,
Speaker3: Eric? Glad you're here. Good. Got to time my drinking better, though. Wow.
Speaker1: I think you're doing great.
Speaker3: And what bird do you have behind you today? Let's see.
Speaker3: That was the white-throated sparrow. Still eating.
Speaker3: Started eating earlier in the week. Still eating, which is maybe why it's nice, happy, and plump.
Speaker0: Love white-throated sparrows.
Speaker3: And, uh, we are going to give a shot. I want to give a shout out to Marty, Marty Jensius.
Speaker3: He's not, he's a little under the weather today, so he could not make it,
Speaker3: but we're going to miss him here, but, uh, hopefully he's listening and we'll,
Speaker3: we'll, we'll get you back next week, but, uh, feel better, buddy.
Speaker3: So, um, yeah, we're a lot, my God, there was so much news this week from Apple,
Speaker3: uh, especially some new hot releases and beta and a lot of other stuff.
Speaker3: And uh and we also have um so many
Speaker3: other topics to talk about but the big thing that was
Speaker3: going on was um uh was uh
Speaker3: ces and you know we covered a little bit of it last week i just took it from
Speaker3: a lot of the press releases and websites about the stuff but uh chuck you oh
Speaker3: we always lean on you a little bit because you spent the entire week in las
Speaker3: vegas and there was so much great stuff going on i know the show starts off
Speaker3: with the ces unveiled i kind of completely kind of across the sessions you went.
Speaker3: So CES Unveiled, how did that turn out? Because I heard some people were not
Speaker3: too excited about this year, but others were, they were too bad. How did that session go?
Speaker0: You know, Dave, some of this is so subjective because it kind of depends on your interests. And...
Speaker0: There were things there that really had no relevance to any of my audience or
Speaker0: anything that I was particularly interested in.
Speaker0: There were others that were, you know, I thought really, really good.
Speaker0: It's always an interesting dance to try to figure out, do you want to talk to them at Unveiled?
Speaker0: Do you want to try to talk to them on the show floor when theoretically they
Speaker0: have a little bigger presence and, you know, there's maybe a little more time?
Speaker0: Because Unveiled ends up, as all the press events do, it ends up being sort
Speaker0: of a race against the clock.
Speaker0: Um, and so I, I, we, we ran out of time with, uh, see, you know,
Speaker0: well, actually come to think of it, we ran out of time at all the events,
Speaker0: um, because there were so many vendors there.
Speaker0: Um, and so, you know, I, I'm, I'm hesitant to say anything was,
Speaker0: was not good because I think it's in the eye of the beholder.
Speaker0: That said, I felt like there were a lot more things that were relevant for my
Speaker0: audience and the kind of things I wanted to cover as opposed to –.
Speaker0: Some other folks. I will say this, though, about Unveiled.
Speaker0: Unveiled is kind of unique because you get almost no listing of who's going
Speaker0: to be there unless you're reading all the press releases and somebody says,
Speaker0: we will be at Unveiled, and then this event, that event, and on the show floor.
Speaker0: So you're trying to figure out who's, and there are some companies that only go to Unveiled.
Speaker0: There are some companies that only go to one or the other of the other press events.
Speaker0: So trying to do that puzzle is always fun.
Speaker0: So that said, you know, we got some great interviews at Unveiled,
Speaker0: trying to make sure that we make connections with old friends and people that
Speaker0: we might not get to on the show floor.
Speaker0: And, you know, again, it was the one thing you got to remember about Unveiled,
Speaker0: though, is that's Unveiled.
Speaker0: That's the very first thing that is shown.
Speaker0: And so So when the rest of the world gets up on Monday morning and watches the
Speaker0: news on their local station or national, most things that are unveiled are going
Speaker0: to be the things that they see.
Speaker0: Right. Because it's the first chance. So you have a lot more press with camera
Speaker0: crews and clearly broadcast crews there recording interviews or recording B-roll
Speaker0: to put behind whatever they're talking about.
Speaker0: So it's probably the most...
Speaker0: The most televised or broadcast of the press events.
Speaker3: Yeah, that is. So then you moved on to the show floor, and you stayed real busy, I'm sure, on Monday.
Speaker3: And then you had the press event that Monday night, which I believe it is, is PEPCOM, right?
Speaker0: PEPCOM was Monday night. And I heard it was really packed. Yeah, it was.
Speaker0: They really need to make it longer because we had to leave a number of exhibitors
Speaker0: on the table that we had on our list because they're just, you can't get to them all.
Speaker0: But again, some really interesting events, excuse me, really interesting products.
Speaker0: And it's strange how you see some of these people for 10, 15 minutes, maybe,
Speaker0: once a year, but you all remember each other and you come back and shaking hands
Speaker0: and hugs and hey, you made it back again or another year.
Speaker0: And so there was quite a bit of that, and more so at Pepcom and Showstoppers.
Speaker0: But some at CES, pardon me, on Dale as well. Yeah.
Speaker3: So, so, uh, uh, what really stood out on a Pepcom if you, if you can recall
Speaker3: offhand that, that, that you found, uh, I mean, I saw that we got,
Speaker3: you got three episodes already published. I know.
Speaker3: So I saw, we'll go make sure I've linked to that in the show notes here.
Speaker3: Uh, and, um, I, I saw you had a bird feeder. That was interesting.
Speaker3: And I saw when you recorded it, you were kind of behind a pole.
Speaker0: Yeah, they had, well, the first two interviews we did were actually at the same table.
Speaker0: And I didn't realize that until we finished. It's the same company.
Speaker0: Oh, okay. One does a security, the one side of the company does a security camera
Speaker0: that is cellular and wireless. It runs off of the solar panel.
Speaker0: And the other side of the company does a connected bird feeder that also runs off of solar.
Speaker0: So I kind of love the way they were leveraging the similarities.
Speaker0: But, yeah, the first one behind the pole, there was just literally no room.
Speaker0: So the person you're interviewing and the product are always more important.
Speaker0: So I stuck my head out from behind the pole and, you know, got on camera for
Speaker0: a minute and then took off.
Speaker0: Yeah, yeah. The bird feeder was also, you'll see that, you know,
Speaker0: again, we're a little bit obscured because there's only so much room.
Speaker0: Right. And just to give folks an understanding here, when it comes to all the
Speaker0: press events, everyone there is on an equal footing.
Speaker0: They have only so much table space, and that's it.
Speaker0: Just like, you know, it's not like the massive booths or the small booths on the show floor.
Speaker0: Everybody has the same thing. And so when you have one company trying to display
Speaker0: two materially different products, it got really cramped in there.
Speaker0: Yeah, yeah.
Speaker3: And then, did you see, I assume you saw our good friend Larry O'Connor at the
Speaker3: OWC? Did you talk to him also?
Speaker0: We talked to Larry. He was starting to lose his voice at Showstoppers.
Speaker1: Uh-oh, that's early.
Speaker0: Uh-oh, that's early. Yeah. But he ran us through some of the new cool things.
Speaker0: Usually when we talk to Larry at CES, he's focusing on a lot more of the high-end stuff.
Speaker0: And so we talked to him. We talked to someone they have invested in,
Speaker0: and that's going to be an interview that comes out, and it would take me half
Speaker0: the show to explain what it is.
Speaker0: But suffice it to say, it was really, really cool. Stay tuned.
Speaker0: Yeah, you know, I was just, I was looking over the list here,
Speaker0: trying to break it down into, let's see, who did we talk to when? I don't remember.
Speaker0: Yeah, it's okay. It's tough. We had a great visit with Mac Paw,
Speaker0: talking about CleanMyMac and some of the things that they're doing. Cool.
Speaker0: We made our annual stop at NextBase, which is my favorite dash cam,
Speaker0: and they just keep bringing out great things.
Speaker0: And I'll give a little plug to them because they are working with Mitsubishi
Speaker0: to make their dash cams OEM.
Speaker0: So that you can walk into a Mitsubishi dealer and say, you know,
Speaker0: I want the floor mat, I want, you know, this, I want that, and I want a dash cam.
Speaker0: And it'll be installed as a factory install.
Speaker0: So that's, there are a couple other car brands that do that,
Speaker0: but not many. And I think it's crazy that they don't, because dashcams are something
Speaker0: that in today's world you really need.
Speaker3: Yeah, yeah.
Speaker0: Let's see. We had a great conversation with Plod.
Speaker0: Oh, nice. That was unveiled. Yes, that was unveiled about what they're doing.
Speaker0: They're bringing out a new version that you strap to your wrist.
Speaker0: And this is one that you can, while you're talking, you can reach over and touch
Speaker0: a button and set a marker during the conversation for something that's really important.
Speaker3: Yeah.
Speaker0: Um so that was that looks really great um we talked to road um which i know
Speaker0: dave you're you're using a road i can't wait to.
Speaker3: See that one
Speaker0: Yeah um and they're going to cost you some money trust me i know that's that's
Speaker0: what i'm going to say um satechi satechi had a really nice uh dock i.
Speaker3: Saw yeah i saw it i was tempted to
Speaker0: Buy it yeah there's some there's some very cool there were a lot of docs at CES this year.
Speaker0: So I think people are figuring that out, that, you know, people want to connect
Speaker0: more than just what we can put on our ports.
Speaker0: Let's see, we talked to Zback. They have improved their three...
Speaker0: Yeah, that's the dual screen.
Speaker0: Yeah, their extra dual screen so that it's better, it's more solid.
Speaker0: And it... Not that there was anything wrong with prior versions,
Speaker0: but this one just feels sturdier and more solid.
Speaker0: It might be just a little bit heavier, but I'll take that over fragility any day.
Speaker3: Um, anything, anything Apple centric that did you, cases, I'm sure you saw cases
Speaker3: galore for iPhones and, and such.
Speaker0: Um, Dave, we only interviewed one iPhone case vendor and I'm going to say that as a surprise.
Speaker0: Um, because they, I will say this much that they were doing something unique
Speaker0: with phone, with phone cases, um, from a construction standpoint.
Speaker0: But there really, no, you know, it used to be iPhone case city.
Speaker0: And either we didn't find them or that's become a thing of the past,
Speaker0: at least exhibiting at CES.
Speaker1: I have a hypothesis on that, Chuck.
Speaker0: Go for it, Jeff.
Speaker1: I think the cases are harder to find now because, well, first,
Speaker1: there was a time when everyone was making an iPod and an iPhone case.
Speaker1: Like, we make smart toasters and an iPhone case.
Speaker1: And so we're beyond that. But the other thing is the whole iLounge pavilion,
Speaker1: that's not the thing that it was.
Speaker1: Actually, I don't even think it's a thing anymore.
Speaker1: And so with the iLounge pavilion, we had that very concentrated area where you
Speaker1: walked in, and the joke became, oh, it's the iPhone case pavilion.
Speaker0: Yeah.
Speaker1: So now it's all just spread out a lot more.
Speaker0: And, you know, I think at some point the profit margin is such on cases that
Speaker0: they just can't justify coming.
Speaker0: You know, they can just – in fact, Speck was one – they had one of those booths inside of booths.
Speaker0: But it was like really small and so it's just – That's different for them. Yeah.
Speaker0: That's different for them, yeah. Yeah, because they've always been a big presence,
Speaker0: and they really weren't this time around.
Speaker0: I'm looking at my list, and I do want to mention just a couple things specifically.
Speaker3: One more thing to ask once you get through those.
Speaker0: Okay. Well, there's one I want to bring up because they do great products.
Speaker0: I love them, and it's STM Brands out of Australia. Yeah.
Speaker0: Great people, great products, but I feel obligated to push the— and mention
Speaker0: that every year they give away skateboards at ces the line for skateboards is
Speaker0: insane because you have to sign a waiver to be given the skateboard yeah because you.
Speaker1: Get hurt yeah exactly you get it home
Speaker0: Well yeah there's that but but it's it's but they give away 2500 skateboards.
Speaker3: It wasn't worth waiting for a line for that.
Speaker1: How many of them do you have, Chuck?
Speaker0: You have that collection.
Speaker1: Don't you?
Speaker0: I do not. I do not. But the line is fast. I mean, it's like an hour long.
Speaker0: And to spend an hour of CES time waiting for a skateboard.
Speaker0: But the promotion works every year.
Speaker1: Every hour costs so much money at CES, even if you're not a vendor.
Speaker1: I cannot imagine waiting in a line for an hour for anything at CES because there's
Speaker1: so many other companies I could be seeing.
Speaker0: Jeff, that's exactly it. That's exactly it.
Speaker0: The other company I wanted to
Speaker0: point out is Rolling Square. Some of you may know them for their cables.
Speaker0: They've expanded into a number of other things as a number of the exhibitors have.
Speaker0: But we met Una last year, and she's been very nice to us, and it was great to
Speaker0: see her again, but also to see what they were talking about and showing,
Speaker0: one of which is completely off the wall from their usual line.
Speaker0: And it's a combination digital, it's an analog-style digital camera,
Speaker0: but you have to load a digital pack in.
Speaker0: You can only take 12 shots with it before you have to, or excuse me,
Speaker0: maybe 24, before you have to load the next pack in.
Speaker0: And then you can print or use the digital versions.
Speaker0: So, and it looks like, I'm afraid, is it the Olympus?
Speaker0: The one that's so hot on TikTok right now that's, you know, very retro.
Speaker0: Mm-hmm. I think you're like an.
Speaker3: OM-1 or something.
Speaker0: Yeah, yeah. So that was an interesting little twist from there.
Speaker1: I'm trying to visualize that. Is this like a, like, so it's like the shape of
Speaker1: the film roll that would go in the camera. So you can put it in an SLR.
Speaker1: And where the film would be, it's like a digital sensor to load.
Speaker0: No, no, it's actually the form factor of, it's the whole thing,
Speaker0: Jeff, not just what I described film-wise.
Speaker1: So it's the camera as well.
Speaker0: It's the camera as well.
Speaker3: Uh-huh.
Speaker0: And it's one of those. Like a DSLR. Yeah. Oh, it's not a DSLR.
Speaker0: No, it's like a little compact.
Speaker0: Oh, okay. But it's, again, it's so retro, and there's not a lot of the sharpening
Speaker0: and all that. They make it very clear that this is supposed to be kind of like
Speaker0: your old Kodak snapshots. Does it shoot raw?
Speaker1: Do you know?
Speaker0: Oh, I don't know. I think it shoots what it shoots, Jeff.
Speaker1: Chuck, you're letting me down, man. You need to ask all the important questions.
Speaker0: Jeff, there's always so much time.
Speaker1: I'm giving you a hard time. I love you.
Speaker0: Oh, I know. I know you know what it's like. because what we're trying to do
Speaker0: is we try to go and take the attitude of if you came to CES and you're walking
Speaker0: around, you see something interesting, you walk up,
Speaker0: you get the elevator pitch, and then you move on to the next interesting thing.
Speaker0: You know, you don't sit there for 20 or 30 minutes like some people do and take
Speaker0: up both, take up CES time because there's always a line of people behind you
Speaker0: that also want to see, also want to get the elevator pitch.
Speaker0: So the theory is that if you've listened to the interviews we do and you're
Speaker0: interested, click the links and go check it out and get all your questions answered.
Speaker0: And if you don't, then you just do what you would do at CES.
Speaker0: You walk on to the next interesting thing.
Speaker1: Um, I, I just want to point out, Chuck, I just gave you a hard time.
Speaker1: Everyone, if you've never checked out the videos that Chuck makes at CES, you absolutely need to.
Speaker1: This man could teach a masterclass on how to go around a big convention and
Speaker1: get all of the content from all of the vendors that you need to hit and then
Speaker1: get it out in a compelling way.
Speaker1: Just Chuck is amazing at what he does. Go check out his stuff.
Speaker3: He's a machine.
Speaker0: Jeff, I really appreciate that. We did have one.
Speaker0: We had a couple little hiccups, technical hiccups, and we lost one interview
Speaker0: that I was crushed because I really want to get it back.
Speaker0: So we will be talking to them. But otherwise, Norbert – oh, and I also want
Speaker0: to – Jeff was very kind to put me up front, but you wouldn't see all the coverage
Speaker0: we do without Norbert Frosso behind the camera.
Speaker0: I can't get him out from front of the camera, but he does an amazing job of
Speaker0: keeping things straight and keeping us going.
Speaker1: He's the best roadie you could hope for, Chuck.
Speaker0: Absolutely. Absolutely. But I believe his count was 57 or 58 if everything turns out that we got.
Speaker3: Oh, not bad.
Speaker1: That's amazing. You are just a machine, Chuck.
Speaker3: A machine. I ever say it every time.
Speaker0: But you know.
Speaker3: I witnessed it firsthand and you are. I couldn't even keep up. I just couldn't.
Speaker0: Well, you know, the funny thing is that there's so many – these are all great people.
Speaker0: And maybe we just get lucky. I don't know. We vet things pretty carefully. But –,
Speaker0: You never get the impression that there are many people there that are just phoning it in.
Speaker0: You know, that the people that
Speaker0: are at the booths, even on day three and four, are excited to be there.
Speaker0: And they want to talk to you. And they, you know, they want to have those conversations.
Speaker0: And I think that's one of the reasons that I love CES so much.
Speaker0: Just like I used to love Macworld, that there's so much energy.
Speaker0: You come home physically exhausted, but very much emotionally recharged. Mm-hmm.
Speaker3: All right. and then uh before we move on i just make sure to show
Speaker3: what macvoices.com here this is the page that's
Speaker3: got the first three first three uh sessions
Speaker3: you you recorded at ces so please go
Speaker3: check that out macvoices.com you'll find it there and uh yeah thanks chuck for
Speaker3: giving taking the time to give us a bit of an insight on ces and we'll definitely
Speaker3: be hearing more and then as i see things that are interesting as your videos
Speaker3: come up we may even talk about it again so um so i'm i'm looking forward to your videos for sure
Speaker0: Anytime but just let me warn you about one thing they're going to cost you money
Speaker0: because you're going to want you know yeah especially road you're going to want this stuff so yeah.
Speaker3: So, all right, let's go ahead and move on. We're going to hit beta,
Speaker3: but I do want to mention that iOS 26.2.1 is going to be probably coming out
Speaker3: very shortly since 26.3 is actually being prepared because we can anticipate
Speaker3: that towards the end of the month.
Speaker3: But it does appear that they're preparing to push out another software update in the interim.
Speaker3: Apple's software engineers have started testing this. And according to the MacRumors
Speaker3: Visitors log, as MacRumors has said, there's a reliable indicator of an upcoming iOS version.
Speaker3: It's probably going to be a minor update to expect from bug fixes and security
Speaker3: patches and such. But so that is that.
Speaker3: And then with that, they did seed all the betas.
Speaker3: I only had to spend too much time on that, but, uh, uh, iOS,
Speaker3: uh, 26.3 beta, uh, vision, OS, uh, 26.3 beta two, it's beta two.
Speaker3: And then you had watch OS and tvOS and, uh, nothing real notable that I could
Speaker3: really say, we've got links in the show notes. You want to look at a little, little closer.
Speaker3: Uh, but, uh, yeah, that those we're getting very close and it probably is going to look like, uh.
Speaker3: Uh, it's going to be, it'd be hinting that, uh, it's going to be,
Speaker3: uh, coming out in January, but around January 28th, I think is really that the
Speaker3: date that they've been thrown out there.
Speaker3: So, uh, and the other thing too, is actually that, uh, in 26.3,
Speaker3: they are looking at a hint of upcoming end-to-end encryption for RCA, RCS messages.
Speaker3: Um, you know, last March, of course, remember that
Speaker3: apple announced the the support of this so it's
Speaker3: been almost a year uh but uh the the
Speaker3: feature is going to be mandatory where it's prohibited by local
Speaker3: regulations which i would kind of expect maybe in the eu somewhere uh so yeah
Speaker3: so they're talking about that so i'm excited to hear that uh you know we're
Speaker3: with with who we work with in the android world we'll we'll have encrypted messages
Speaker3: both ways on anybody that messages you.
Speaker3: So that's a good thing. It's a very good thing here.
Speaker3: And then in the Mac... Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker1: On the end-to-end encryption thing, when Apple announced it
Speaker1: coming to RCS a year ago, like you said, they also made it clear at the time
Speaker1: that they're waiting for the official standard to be released because they weren't
Speaker1: going to do any pre-release stuff for that.
Speaker1: So that's, I think, been the big delay in getting RCS in messages.
Speaker3: Yes. So, and then I want to say hi to everybody in the chat at youtube.com slash in touch with iOS.
Speaker3: And Brian just sent this. He said, glad to see this encryption is enabled.
Speaker3: Yes, I agree with you, Brian, that I'm glad to see that. And let's say hi to
Speaker3: WebExby. He says he has pizza.
Speaker1: Oh, nice. Let's all head over to WebEx.
Speaker3: I'm gonna go over your place to have some pizza there and uh
Speaker3: and uh and then uh wither buckets joined
Speaker3: us as well as uh well he's uh he's out
Speaker3: there and thanks for joining uh programming note
Speaker3: i'll just make sure if we move on to mac i was going to mention that earlier uh we're
Speaker3: gonna have two episodes this week so yeah yesterday it's already
Speaker3: released this is as we're recording this episode 403 was
Speaker3: with uh the wonderful katie fawkes and
Speaker3: the the mastermind jeffa gamut and we talked about vhs tapes and retro and video
Speaker3: and we just did a whole different topic that's kind of unusual to us also go
Speaker3: check that out so you'll have two episodes in the in the feeds uh this this
Speaker3: week uh for your pleasure so that
Speaker1: Was a lot of fun to do
Speaker3: That was a lot of fun yeah we had a lot of blast go check that out now it's in the feed so
Speaker2: You weren't even in the av club
Speaker3: Well, I am, I was in the AV club.
Speaker1: Dave was, I was AV adjacent.
Speaker0: Okay.
Speaker3: But that's a whole nother story.
Speaker1: I mean, I did spend a lot of time in the computer lab.
Speaker3: So I will mention in touch with Mac this week, Mac OS Tahoe 26.3 Beta 2 was released.
Speaker3: There isn't a ton of things to expect. You're going to, as we've noticed here,
Speaker3: so there really isn't having much change that I noticed.
Speaker3: With that and then um also
Speaker3: in um in mac uh will they
Speaker3: announce the uh will they announce the new back
Speaker3: books this coming the end of this month i hope so because i've made my decision
Speaker3: i'm going to i waited for the m5 pro and i'm going to purchase as soon as it
Speaker3: comes out i got the money saved i'm happy i'm not going to get killed when i
Speaker3: buy it um but um they're they're tending to uh uh,
Speaker3: think that it may launch on 20, the 28th of January, which is coming up as we record here.
Speaker3: Uh, so you're going to expect, uh, you're going to expect to see,
Speaker3: uh, the MacBook pro line, uh, of, of Macs.
Speaker3: Uh, and it, uh, it, it will, uh, it will be cool that they'll have those.
Speaker3: Uh, and, uh, yeah, I'm, I'm looking forward to see what, what,
Speaker3: what comes of, of that and see who of
Speaker3: us will be in the market to switch i'm i'm i'm near because i got the m1 so
Speaker3: um then lastly i will just mention this is a psa if you're still running monterey
Speaker3: uh the google chrome if you're those you who use google chrome this is a psa
Speaker3: that uh they're dropping support to mac os 12 monterey with
Speaker3: chrome 151 so that means no security updates so you'll have to stop using it
Speaker3: um so hopefully you can move to safari or another browser it's still supporting
Speaker3: uh security uh so be be aware of that so
Speaker3: And then let's move on to some other
Speaker3: topics um this topic i was looking forward to
Speaker3: talking about tonight this is about i was
Speaker3: excited to hear this announcement apple introduces the new
Speaker3: creative studio bundle uh i was kind of surprised about this it kind of i think
Speaker3: i blindsided all of us here they introduced the creative studio bundle that's
Speaker3: offering access to six creative apps as well as exclusive ai features and content
Speaker3: but it'll be as part of a single subscription but Welcome to the world of subscriptions, of course.
Speaker3: In the U.S., it's going to be $12.99 a month or $1.29 per year.
Speaker3: It's going to include Final Cut Pro for the Mac and iPad. It'll include Logic
Speaker3: Pro with the Mac and iPad.
Speaker3: Pixelmator Pro on Mac and iPad. You have the Motion on the Mac,
Speaker3: Compressor on the Mac, and Main Stage on the Mac.
Speaker3: And Pixelmator Pro, which was previously only available on the Mac,
Speaker3: it is coming to the iPad, too.
Speaker3: So you're going to be able to do all that stuff. have so
Speaker3: you'll also be you'll get access to the AI
Speaker3: features and premium features um and uh
Speaker3: I mean I don't know I'm kind of excited about this I'd like to know what everybody
Speaker3: else is here I'm sorry you Chuck because you're a big Final Cut Pro user have
Speaker3: after you've been looking through this so where where's your thoughts on the
Speaker3: Final Cut because you can keep the current version you have if you don't care
Speaker3: about the premium features so
Speaker0: Yeah, that's going to be the thing, Dave. If I read an article,
Speaker0: and I think I've got this right, somebody correct me if not,
Speaker0: that at least for the moment, the quote-unquote premium features are also going
Speaker0: to be available on the standalone version.
Speaker0: So when the flag goes down, you're going to get everything on both.
Speaker0: The question is going to be what happens next.
Speaker0: How quick are the updates going to happen? And what additional features are
Speaker0: there going to be for Final Cut, along with all the other apps?
Speaker0: I know there was discussion of
Speaker0: some fresh templates for Keynote that were going to only be in the bundle.
Speaker0: So, you know, I'm sort of in a wait-and-see mode at this point.
Speaker0: And also because I freeze everything about a month before CES until I finish
Speaker0: the videos because I don't want to be troubleshooting. But, you know,
Speaker0: listen, I kind of think this is a good thing.
Speaker0: I know I will be controversial by saying that I don't think subscriptions are
Speaker0: a bad thing if you use the software because it lets the developers get the updates out faster,
Speaker0: add new features because they have a cash flow going, and they don't have to
Speaker0: worry as much about trying to push the sales.
Speaker0: They can actually work on developing the software.
Speaker0: So I'm optimistic about this, but I think I'm going to sit it out at least for
Speaker0: the first month or two and see just what the reports are.
Speaker3: Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Jeff, what's your thoughts on this?
Speaker3: Is it something you're going to explore?
Speaker1: I'm not going to explore this, but that's only because of the workflow I have.
Speaker1: It's not necessary for me to explore this.
Speaker1: That said, first off, Chuck is right about the whole subscription thing.
Speaker1: Doesn't matter if we like it or not. It's actually a necessary part of the software process.
Speaker1: And if you want to have your apps and you want to have updates to them,
Speaker1: Going with perpetual licensing for products like this, it has been proven over
Speaker1: and over in the marketplace that subscription is the way that you make this happen.
Speaker1: Okay, that out of the way, I was surprised and not that this happened.
Speaker1: Surprised only in that I wasn't expecting something like this right now.
Speaker1: Not surprised because I was expecting Apple would eventually do something like
Speaker1: this. And depending on your workflow and your app needs, this now becomes a
Speaker1: viable alternative to Adobe Creative Cloud.
Speaker1: And I think that's the big place that Apple's looking to compete.
Speaker1: Of course, Microsoft, they have their whole 365 bundle, which overlaps this to a degree as well.
Speaker1: The fact that you can still buy perpetual
Speaker1: license for individual apps I think
Speaker1: is a smart move on Apple's part because for some people it does make sense to
Speaker1: do that for others $12.99 a month to have all of this stuff plus the premium
Speaker1: content hub thing and the royalty free content
Speaker1: and the extra AI features,
Speaker1: it's worth it for those people.
Speaker1: So I'm glad that you have options. And I think this is a really smart move.
Speaker1: I expect it will drive up usage of Apple's apps on some level.
Speaker1: And for the people that are using the free versions of Pages,
Speaker1: Numbers, and Keynotes, don't worry, you still get to keep doing that.
Speaker1: So well done. Yeah, for sure.
Speaker3: Um, Eric, what about, what about you? Where, where's your thoughts on this?
Speaker3: You use any of these tools? Um, yeah, cuz.
Speaker3: Pixelmator Pro coming to the iPad, that I'm most excited about because I've
Speaker3: avoided using it because I want something I can use on the iPad and on the Mac.
Speaker3: But like Final Cut Pro has been subscription on the iPad side already.
Speaker3: So this is even better because you get the subscription.
Speaker3: You can use it on both sides. um i
Speaker3: will say that you know the education pricing
Speaker3: on the bundle that's not subscription is pretty good
Speaker3: so if somebody needed to for whatever reason
Speaker3: have it you know maybe pick that
Speaker3: up right away um but yeah i i
Speaker3: think this is good i and and i don't i don't want to see the apps lose support
Speaker3: and subscription is a good way to keep the apps around um and that's the thing
Speaker3: well let me just get jill's thoughts on this too what is this something you're going to explore i
Speaker2: Did a lot of deep dive probably like david or chuck did because i use final
Speaker2: cut pro i use logic pro i haven't used the other pieces of software very much
Speaker2: and i wanted to see is final Cup Pro going to get those features.
Speaker2: And like Chuck said, for now, yes.
Speaker2: And so I probably won't because I bought the software that I need already.
Speaker2: But I'm going to keep my eyeballs on it because there are some very good AI
Speaker2: editing features out there that other software has that I've been interested in.
Speaker2: And I think that this will allow it to come along with the subscription fee.
Speaker2: Because You need to have money coming in in order to do it.
Speaker2: And it feels to me like Final Cut Pro is competing with Adobe,
Speaker2: competing with DaVinci Resolve and some other software out there.
Speaker2: And this will allow them to do it.
Speaker2: But right now, as it stands today, no, I probably will not, but I might in the future.
Speaker3: Okay um so yeah i
Speaker3: think this is this is something exciting but they the other
Speaker3: things that were mentioned too is i have to find the article to
Speaker3: see if that's out there that they said they will allow for the
Speaker3: the premium features to be available on the current versions now but
Speaker3: i think they pretty much had said that apple had said that uh they won't be
Speaker3: getting them in the future i mean i think it's going to be but you know you
Speaker3: can they'll still they'll still update them security updates such but any of
Speaker3: the premium features you would have to have the subscription and i think that's
Speaker3: fair you know apple just just decided to jump into this the subscription world i mean you know
Speaker3: I have an office a microsoft 365 subscription because you know i'm i'm in that
Speaker3: world i want to have it and this is about what i pay for on microsoft so i might
Speaker3: be double dipping here or with both um and who knows it might it might uh lean
Speaker3: me towards maybe using pages and
Speaker3: keynote even more which i which i pretty much try to use all the
Speaker3: time but working in the corporate world it's hard because
Speaker3: i have to be in the microsoft world too so we'll
Speaker3: have to see we've got to make a decision where that's going to go um they
Speaker3: also mentioned apple says is no longer going to be
Speaker3: receiving updates for the pixel meter app on ios on
Speaker3: your iphone i can't even imagine using pixel meter on on
Speaker3: an iphone it's kind of a small screen um but
Speaker3: i guess people were we're using it but they aren't going to be updating that
Speaker3: anymore so it's you so so be aware of that and like we mentioned that the ipad
Speaker3: version is coming it's going to have apple pencil support which is even a better
Speaker3: thing when it comes to that too so and i believe you get the ipad version and
Speaker3: the mac version in the bundle so that's going to be great so so anything else i missed you
Speaker3: that you that caught your eye with this this uh announcement this week you guys
Speaker1: Did you mention student pricing?
Speaker3: Yes. Oh, yeah. Pricing.
Speaker1: That actually is a huge part of this.
Speaker3: Yeah. So, student pricing is $2.99 a month, I think it was. So,
Speaker3: it's $10 less than the full version.
Speaker3: And then, was it that that's $30? How much is that?
Speaker1: $29.99.
Speaker3: $30 a year. $29.99 for the year for a student. That's awesome.
Speaker3: That's very fair for students to have that.
Speaker2: I was a little perplexed about putting pages and numbers in that map.
Speaker2: You know what I mean? Like one seems to be one world and one seems to be the creative world.
Speaker2: And I kind of thought there's going to be a lot of people who might want to
Speaker2: do pages and numbers that don't want the, you know, Final Cut Pro and everything
Speaker2: else because they don't do anything like that. So I wonder if more of this is coming.
Speaker3: Maybe. We'll see. Because I think they want to keep, I mean,
Speaker3: just like what Microsoft does, they bundle all of their products to do that.
Speaker3: I mean, Apple, I think, wanted to do the same thing. i kind of like this because
Speaker3: final cut pro was its own thing and then logic pro is its own thing and then
Speaker3: people and i still use garage band but now i might now if i'm going to decide
Speaker3: to subscribe to this maybe i start leaning towards using logic port pro more
Speaker3: i know it's it's quite advanced i
Speaker3: would have a bit of a slight learning curve but
Speaker3: it's it's similar to garage band but there's a lot more it
Speaker3: can do that i probably don't need but but if they're
Speaker3: bundling it for all of all of the suite of software yeah
Speaker3: it might be something i might consider using so we'll see
Speaker3: um but uh yeah so that that's it check it out and it's coming out in on in on
Speaker3: january 28th now incidentally think of that date we just mentioned about the
Speaker3: mac maybe that's maybe we thought maybe that could be the date to when the mac
Speaker3: comes out for that reason uh to be ready for the uh the this bundle so
Speaker3: Okay, let's move on a little bit here and we're going to talk a little bit about, um, iOS 26.
Speaker3: It's, uh, it's been showing some unusually slow adoption rates after months
Speaker3: after of its released, um,
Speaker3: that, uh, analytics data has been unreliable because Safari on iOS 26 has been
Speaker3: reporting a different operating system version in, uh, in the user agents that
Speaker3: strings analytics services.
Speaker3: And there's a reason right in there that you kind of have to question on,
Speaker3: you know, trusting these things of any slow adoption rates.
Speaker3: But it was published by Stack Counter, and it was indicating that around 15
Speaker3: to 16% of active iPhones worldwide are running any version of iOS 26.
Speaker3: And the breakdown shows down to roughly, at least about 1.1%.
Speaker3: In contrast, more than 60% of iPhones tracked by StatCounter remain on iOS 18 and 18.7.
Speaker3: And I think the reasoning in here was the fact that Apple doesn't force you
Speaker3: to update it. So it was always down at the bottom.
Speaker3: So, you know, working in the corporate world, we try to restrict installing
Speaker3: it right away because we want to make sure to do a testing. It isn't going to cause any issues.
Speaker3: But you get to a point where you can unblock it through the MDM and then they'll start installing it.
Speaker3: So only concern with that with me is I know I'm going to get hit up with questions
Speaker3: because iOS 26 does have some differences, especially with the full screen and
Speaker3: windowing, the windows that you get to use with it.
Speaker3: But every year we talk about this, what the adoption rate is for all the latest version of the OS.
Speaker3: It'll pick up. I think it will. People will get over liquid glass complaints
Speaker3: and all the Windows stuff.
Speaker3: Anybody have any views on this? I thought you would
Speaker1: I think that the conclusions from this report are patently wrong
Speaker1: Because what they're doing is counting who's using an operating system based on web browsers.
Speaker1: So what I think this actually shows is that only a small percentage of iPhone
Speaker1: users switch from Safari to another browser that isn't masking the operating system version.
Speaker1: I i think that the adoption rate is significantly higher than uh than this report
Speaker1: Says and i think
Speaker1: that when apple talks about their adoption
Speaker1: rates they uh they of
Speaker1: course they're saying yeah everyone's loving it but they also will
Speaker1: say you know x percent of users are
Speaker1: on this version okay apple can't lie about
Speaker1: that that that would
Speaker1: get them in serious trouble with uh with
Speaker1: the uh the government because
Speaker1: they lying like that would essentially be uh intentionally manipulating um uh
Speaker1: shareholder value and they can't do that so honestly i i I think they they have
Speaker1: come to the wrong conclusion with this report.
Speaker1: And I'm not trying to be like Apple fanboy.
Speaker1: Hey, you know, they're wrong because Apple's cool.
Speaker1: Not the case. I just honestly think that they're reading the wrong information
Speaker1: from the data they're collecting. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker0: Jeff, I'm going to back you up on that, but I'm also going to point out that
Speaker0: if there is a little bit of a reduction in the rate of adoption,
Speaker0: I think a lot of it has to do with the way that the press just beat the daylights out of liquid glass.
Speaker0: And I have to tell you, I always hesitate, not because of the liquid glass thing,
Speaker0: but I always let everybody else take the slings and arrows first,
Speaker0: and then I'll do the upgrade.
Speaker0: Once I did it, I was like, okay, where is all this controversy?
Speaker0: Where are all these horrible interface elements that people are despising?
Speaker0: There are a couple noticeable ones that still catch my eye. But for the most
Speaker0: part, I had to go and look for it.
Speaker0: And I feel like it was really done a disservice.
Speaker0: And in the later versions, they've also changed controls so you could reduce
Speaker0: the opacity so that it's even less of an issue.
Speaker0: And you guys may not agree with me on that, but I just didn't feel like the
Speaker0: Liquid Glass thing was that big a deal, especially on iOS.
Speaker1: I'm with you. On iOS and iPadOS, I think Liquid Glass is a non-issue.
Speaker1: I think it's generally a non-issue on the Mac.
Speaker1: However, the interface issues on the Mac, where it's like straight up dumpster
Speaker1: fire level, it really doesn't have that much to do with liquid glass.
Speaker1: It's the other things that Apple did with the interface that messed it up. Yeah.
Speaker3: Yeah, I agree. Joe, Eric, anything to add?
Speaker3: The developers that have posted results about percentages of OSs all have been
Speaker3: showing significantly higher numbers.
Speaker3: So, yeah, I think the adoption rate is going just fine.
Speaker3: I think if there was an issue with adoption rate, we would have seen a bunch
Speaker3: of ads by now from Apple continuing to talk about how great and wonderful life
Speaker3: would be if only you would update, or, you know, said better than that.
Speaker3: And other than what we saw when it first came out, I haven't seen that.
Speaker3: So I don't think Apple's panicking that people aren't updating.
Speaker3: You know, I have plenty of issues with the interface look and feel and levels
Speaker3: of transparency and liquid glass, But some of the accessibility features that
Speaker3: have been improved, I really appreciate.
Speaker3: So it's kind of a half and half for me and overall much better.
Speaker3: So, yeah, everyone I know has upgraded.
Speaker2: Yeah, me too. I don't know anyone who stayed behind.
Speaker2: But the other part of it is that the reason I believe that this had to not be
Speaker2: true is how many people upgraded their phones over the course of the year and
Speaker2: automatically got that iOS.
Speaker2: So that would almost mean like nobody who had old phones upgraded and it was
Speaker2: just all brand new phones because you had no choice.
Speaker2: And there's more and more browsers. There's now a million and one browsers you can choose from.
Speaker2: A lot of people are in love with Firefox or people are in love with Chrome or, you know, I like Brave.
Speaker2: And so people pick their things. And if you're going to count it on browser, it's not going to.
Speaker2: It just points stands is that it's not accurate. And to think of how many people
Speaker2: bought iPhones this year and those are all automatically 26.
Speaker2: It can't be right. I mean, it's just not even possible.
Speaker1: So yeah absolutely
Speaker3: All right, so let's go ahead and we'll move on to this big announcement that
Speaker3: happened earlier this week.
Speaker3: Google Gemini's partnership with Apple will go beyond Siri revamp.
Speaker3: Well, basically what was announced at Google and Apple are working together
Speaker3: to integrate Gemini into the S-Lady.
Speaker3: So this is the engine of multi-year collaboration.
Speaker3: We're under the next generation of apple foundation models
Speaker3: will be based on apple's google gemini models and cloud
Speaker3: technology uh the company said uh in a
Speaker3: statement that uh this this will help these models
Speaker3: will help power future apple intelligence features including a
Speaker3: more personalized slaty of coming this year
Speaker3: which is way overdue uh so yeah there
Speaker3: so there was an announcement that that was made then this was
Speaker3: news from actually posted it was news from google actually uh
Speaker3: that that said it so uh so that
Speaker3: uh is interesting to see what how this goes um and
Speaker3: apple is excited about the innovations new experience
Speaker3: and that the partner the partnership will unlock uh what it will unlock but
Speaker3: uh the statement did not provide the details about any specific features yet
Speaker3: don't go figure um it's unclear if gemini is going to power any existing apple
Speaker3: intelligence features such as writing tools or image playground or notification summaries
Speaker3: So maybe this is just kind of a more personalized version of the S-Lady that's
Speaker3: going to be expected to be introduced.
Speaker3: Probably with iOS 26.4, which will be probably around April timeframe in the 2026.
Speaker3: So, Jeff, what is your thoughts on this?
Speaker1: Well, for all those people that were saying Apple couldn't figure out how to
Speaker1: do all this AI stuff and they're going to have to turn to someone else.
Speaker1: Okay, here's what you're saying. and it's a thing um
Speaker1: It doesn't surprise me. I guess this is the episode of Jeff not being surprised
Speaker1: and surprised at the same time.
Speaker1: Because it's, yeah, I wasn't surprised, but at the same time, yeah.
Speaker1: I'm glad that it's been made clear right up front that this is not going to
Speaker1: be directly tying into Gemini.
Speaker1: And so Apple will be doing their own thing and still maintaining the privacy
Speaker1: that they have been touting as part of Apple intelligence.
Speaker1: I think it's very clear that Apple trying to get into this space and do this
Speaker1: whole thing wasn't going to work
Speaker1: because they couldn't get the focus that they needed from their teams.
Speaker1: They kept losing people and they're trying to do this in a way that stayed true
Speaker1: to their privacy goals and they just couldn't bring it together.
Speaker1: So they were going to have to partner with someone.
Speaker1: This doesn't necessarily have to be a permanent thing, just like with Apple Maps.
Speaker1: Originally, that was powered by Google Maps. And when Apple reached the point
Speaker1: where they felt like they could go it on their own, they did.
Speaker1: And it wouldn't surprise me if down the road, that's what happens with this as well yeah
Speaker3: Uh Chuck you got anything on this
Speaker0: Yeah, you know, Jeff said a lot there that I agree with the privacy thing.
Speaker0: How long have we been not making excuses, but pointing out that Apple's always
Speaker0: had one hand tied behind its back,
Speaker0: maintaining their privacy stance where others were just out there doing things
Speaker0: that were legally and morally questionable to advance their AIs or their large language models.
Speaker0: And so, in fact, in some ways, I'm glad that Apple has done this because now
Speaker0: they're not competing with some of those.
Speaker0: They're benefiting from some of that Wild West mentality without having to take
Speaker0: on the burden of both the burden of responsibility as well as the burden financially
Speaker0: to develop this or continue to try to develop it.
Speaker0: Now they can kind of sit back. Because if you think about it.
Speaker0: Apple was trying to—Apple sort of broke their own rulebook.
Speaker0: They were trying to be out there first in AI, especially as AI became such a big thing.
Speaker0: I mean, we'd been seeing what we
Speaker0: all know as Apple intelligence sneak in without it ever being called AI,
Speaker0: like lifting subjects out of pictures and those kind of things,
Speaker0: that we could do, and recognition of people and places and things in photos.
Speaker0: And then when the whole hockey stick happened and everything was getting hot,
Speaker0: that's when Apple appeared to be falling behind.
Speaker0: And so I kind of feel good about this. And Jeff also made the great point that
Speaker0: this doesn't have to be forever.
Speaker0: They could strike another deal with someone else, Or if they get their own product
Speaker0: to the point where they're comfortable with it, they could then just give you
Speaker0: that and give you Gemini or...
Speaker0: Chat GPT or perplexity or grok or whatever as an option.
Speaker0: So I feel like Apple think. Okay. There you go.
Speaker1: I just made that one up.
Speaker0: Yeah, but I like it. I want a t-shirt with that.
Speaker1: Okay.
Speaker0: But yeah, so yeah, I think that this, this feels like a good move that will
Speaker0: quiet down some of the, the, the detractors.
Speaker0: I do still resent some of the press implications that Apple's,
Speaker0: Apple's had to turn to Gemini or to Google or Apple's leaning on Google.
Speaker0: I think this is just a good strategic partnership.
Speaker1: You know, they can both be true. It's a good strategic partnership and Apple's
Speaker1: having to lean on Google.
Speaker0: Yeah, you're right, Jeff. You're right.
Speaker3: The other thing with this is I think Google comes out of this with a huge whim
Speaker3: because everybody knows that Google has everybody that uses Google as their, you know, resource.
Speaker3: Google harvests all that information and, you know, and so Google's had sort
Speaker3: of a privacy problem for quite a while.
Speaker3: They are picking up a major oh, we're concerned about privacy win out of this,
Speaker3: even if they're not doing it directly.
Speaker3: Because the ultimate in privacy companies is using a Gemini model
Speaker3: And the difference between using Gemini and using a Gemini model, I think, is muddied.
Speaker3: So this is a big win for Google. So I'm not sure the partnership will continue
Speaker3: for a long time because it's a danger for Apple.
Speaker3: But right now it's a win for both of them.
Speaker3: Anything you want to add, Jill?
Speaker2: I was just saying that overall, I mean, probably anyone who ever saw me knows
Speaker2: that I'm not a big fan of Google in general, although I use some of their products.
Speaker2: And I was hoping, because I do like OpenAI so much, that there was going to
Speaker2: be more there with OpenAI, although they're doing the health aspects.
Speaker2: So you sort of see Apple carving up different AIs for different purposes, which is interesting.
Speaker2: But I think that that is true. And Gemini has gotten so much better recently
Speaker2: than it used to be at the very beginning that it has caught up pretty well with
Speaker2: ChatGPT, which I think is the leader in this area.
Speaker2: So it's solid in its quality work.
Speaker2: It's just I do trust, you know, again, because of Apple and its security, I do trust them more.
Speaker2: And so I trust that they made a decision that's going to protect us.
Speaker2: And so, you know, like I said, I would love to have ChatGPT in there,
Speaker2: but, you know, this is going to be on their way to their own thing. I think that's great.
Speaker3: Yeah.
Speaker1: Side note, this will make Gemini the most popular LLM practically overnight
Speaker1: when it rolls out because it'll be the default on all the iOS devices out there.
Speaker3: Yep. It will. It will.
Speaker3: All right let's move on to the news as before we get close to
Speaker3: the end of the show here um a couple firmware upgrades
Speaker3: that happened uh this week uh one of them and it seems
Speaker3: like it happens pretty frequently here the apple released new firmware upgrade
Speaker3: to the iphone air magsafe battery
Speaker3: another firmware update but there are
Speaker3: no specifics of what it includes um so there is a new version went from version
Speaker3: 99 to 101 who knows what they did but you kind of get kind of worried with the
Speaker3: the way uh the way things are with batteries having to have multiple firmwares
Speaker3: that you know could that battery be a problem i mean i
Speaker2: Have to believe that it's the chargey thing you know that it gets to 80 percent
Speaker2: and then it cuts off and and because that got changed in 26 i have to believe
Speaker2: it has something to do with that yeah it has to be anyway sorry to interrupt you
Speaker3: No not at all no um so it's what it is and not surprising uh
Speaker3: always happening but always good with is is the
Speaker3: uh apple has did release the airpods uh three
Speaker3: airpods pro 3 firmware upgrade um and
Speaker3: so this is a new version again support document just doesn't say
Speaker3: much other than bug fixes and other improvements they never give
Speaker3: any details of what it does uh so no
Speaker3: other airpod miles were receiving firmware firmware upgrades other
Speaker3: than the airpods pro 3 so you kind of have to
Speaker3: wonder maybe they did some new um new features in
Speaker3: there what you have to do is make sure that you have it plugged into
Speaker3: when you're using them they'll just get automatically updated you can't
Speaker3: force it uh just you know make sure that they're
Speaker3: up to date you know that's uh generally what
Speaker3: happens when it comes to uh firmware upgrades here
Speaker3: So and then we've got shazam
Speaker3: shazam has uh come out
Speaker3: with a new uh fast
Speaker3: forward playlist and it did reveal some uh
Speaker3: music artists to to actually set
Speaker3: to rise in 2026 uh so
Speaker3: they republished their annual fast forward list which is an accompanying apple
Speaker3: music playlist that uh lists that list
Speaker3: takes a look ahead at some of the most exciting music artists are
Speaker3: going to be discovered through the song identification identification
Speaker3: tool 26 2026's list
Speaker3: of features are more than 60 music artists that have poised
Speaker3: to have a breakthrough year uh and um
Speaker3: you know apple describes it's this year's place playlist is uh keep it the brief
Speaker3: here that they get millions of requests from users around the world who are
Speaker3: curious about the artists who are behind a song and they're they're also requests
Speaker3: coming all over tiktok videos and car commercials and such so some well-known
Speaker3: someone not well so well known
Speaker3: We're uh you gotta remember that the shazam
Speaker3: was acquired by apple back in 2018 it's been
Speaker3: quite a while um since uh that happened i don't think uh i chuck do you pick
Speaker3: do you shazam much because you're not like the and i think a lot of us here
Speaker3: are probably not ones looking at the the current music scene here on the billboard
Speaker3: charts uh but uh i want some heavy metal in this list too right
Speaker3: Are you muted, Chuck?
Speaker1: He was speaking at a frequency that bats and dogs could hear,
Speaker1: and they were like, yep, everything he's saying is right.
Speaker0: And young people think, yeah, thanks. Go ahead. No, I'm not,
Speaker0: I use Shazam like everybody else.
Speaker0: I hear a track somewhere, and it's like, oh, I don't recognize that,
Speaker0: and I want to know who it is.
Speaker0: And sometimes I'm pleasantly surprised, sometimes I'm a little horrified that
Speaker0: I even liked it in the first place.
Speaker0: But, you know, yeah, it still is something that I would guess I'd probably use
Speaker0: it three to five times a week, maybe, depending on, you know, the week and where I am.
Speaker0: So, and does that drive me to discover music by that particular artist?
Speaker0: Yeah, sometimes, not always. Sometimes it just causes me to add the track individually
Speaker0: as opposed to really, you know, looking for the artist.
Speaker3: Jeff, do you use Yam?
Speaker1: I do I don't know
Speaker1: how often I'm using it But I'm using it every week And it's been a great discovery
Speaker1: tool For years and years and years And I really like it The place I use it most
Speaker1: often Is in the car If I'm listening to one of the,
Speaker1: the indie radio stations or, or one of the jazz, it doesn't matter.
Speaker1: One of the radio stations around and something will come on.
Speaker1: I'm like, I don't know who this is, but I really like it as Shazam, what it is.
Speaker1: And now I've got the list of, uh, of what I've searched for.
Speaker1: And yeah, it's a great discovery tool.
Speaker3: Yep. Uh, Jill, Eric, do you use it?
Speaker3: Um, yes, because I frequently get music where I, I can't remember the name of
Speaker3: a song if my life depends on it.
Speaker3: Sometimes it's my own music.
Speaker3: I'm not next to wherever it's playing from. It's like, what is this?
Speaker3: So, you know, I've got that little widget thing on my phone that hit the button,
Speaker3: poof, comes back and it says, oh, yeah, not only do you have it,
Speaker3: you've already added it to your playlist.
Speaker3: You're good to go. Or it's not in there and, you know, it'll add it right in,
Speaker3: which I think it's really cool
Speaker3: because there's a lot of music I liked that I didn't know what it was.
Speaker3: And so I wait until I hear it again and you add it right into your playlist.
Speaker3: It's really convenient.
Speaker2: I would have sold everything to have this back in the eighties because I spent
Speaker2: my entire life trying to figure out.
Speaker2: And I, the last time I used it was seven years ago in a bar that had a song
Speaker2: that sounded like going go, boingo.
Speaker2: And it wasn't them. And I still don't know who was cause it was too slow to
Speaker2: identify it, but I don't use it now, but I would have in my heyday.
Speaker3: Yeah. And then, uh, In the chat room here, Witherbucket says that,
Speaker3: uh, I tried Shazam on my watch and it always seems to take forever.
Speaker3: Google Song search through the widget is way better for my usage.
Speaker3: I don't tend to find that Shazam is that, uh, that slow. I don't know if you
Speaker3: guys didn't. You guys do? I know. Usually it works pretty good.
Speaker2: It was ages ago slow, but now I think it's fast.
Speaker1: I, uh, in my experience, I'm better off using my phone for the Shazam searches
Speaker1: compared to my Apple watch. And I think it's because of the microphone in the devices.
Speaker1: I think that the iPhone microphone, it's more sensitive.
Speaker1: And it's just better picking up the sound.
Speaker0: But I also, you also might ask, what watch with a bucket?
Speaker0: You know, how old of an Apple Watch? Because they've all gotten faster. Yeah.
Speaker3: He has an Ultra 1. Yeah, that's a good idea.
Speaker2: He has an Ultra 1.
Speaker0: Yeah, that still should be okay. Oh, okay. Yeah, that should be okay.
Speaker3: Yep. Hey, Jim Ray just jumped at us in the chat room. How are you doing, Jim? Glad to see you.
Speaker3: He says, I don't even know how
Speaker3: to use the radio in my car. All the music I listen to comes from my phone.
Speaker1: That's because Jim is a man of discerning taste.
Speaker3: There you go.
Speaker3: Oh, gosh. Good to see you, Jim.
Speaker3: So let's move on and talk about Apple Services.
Speaker3: They had quite a record year, and this was in Apple's newsroom, for services.
Speaker3: Um they had growth expansion and
Speaker3: Then uh all kinds of great year throwing out game changes
Speaker3: and uh music and news and and
Speaker3: the find my services and all this
Speaker3: stuff and here's the numbers uh you know they've had
Speaker3: 850 million average weekly users in the
Speaker3: app store 100 100 billion of uh incremental
Speaker3: merchant sales uh you got uh 36 percent
Speaker3: of increased usage and engagement in apple tv and
Speaker3: uh number one year for the apple music
Speaker3: listenership and new subscriber growth so they
Speaker3: are just continuing to expand and keep
Speaker3: going and uh and the movies are just been amazing
Speaker3: the tv shows are just incredible um and
Speaker3: they they signed a contract to be the official
Speaker3: Broadcaster of f1 which i'm looking forward to
Speaker3: that's going to be fun because the f1 movie got me excited Apple
Speaker3: play has been going crazy and uh the digital
Speaker3: IDs are now here are now here what I've I um and
Speaker3: uh so it just goes on and on um in fact I I have
Speaker3: a story I actually got to use my digital ID at the airport when
Speaker3: I went to visit Jeff in Denver so I I walked
Speaker3: right up to it and you were already gone I think when when I
Speaker3: did it but uh yeah I just went right in front of it and just
Speaker3: scanned my phone and boom done I didn't have to deal isn't
Speaker3: that just awesome it's the it's the most amazing thing
Speaker3: in the world so my Illinois driver's license got to I got to do that and then
Speaker3: I could even have used my digital ID for my passport if I wanted to so you can
Speaker3: I can use either one so uh so it's pretty cool I don't know no I don't know
Speaker3: about the about the passport I think they may not be allowing it just yet but
Speaker3: um but maybe they are I don't know I didn't try it
Speaker3: Um, so any thoughts on Apple services? We all pay for them.
Speaker3: So I pay for pretty good amount of
Speaker3: it every, every month on the Apple one bundles. So any thoughts on that?
Speaker2: I think the Apple, I have Apple one and I think it is just one of the most favorite
Speaker2: subscriptions I have next to set app.
Speaker2: I just use it so much.
Speaker2: And I used to get those rinky dink games that keep wanting you to buy stuff all the time.
Speaker2: And Apple arcade doesn't, you know, that's the rule. You can't,
Speaker2: they don't sell you anything.
Speaker2: And it just is like my number one go-to thing. And I love Apple One,
Speaker2: like I said, probably more than almost anything.
Speaker3: Yeah, yeah. How about you, Chuck?
Speaker0: Yeah. You know, to circle back, I feel like the services revenue is going to
Speaker0: benefit from the bundle we talked about earlier with Final Cut and all.
Speaker0: But, yeah, I use, in fact, Apple Music was streaming almost all day today.
Speaker0: Just because that's, you know, it puts your whole library in your pocket,
Speaker0: and then if you want to go to lunch, you take it with you.
Speaker3: Yeah yeah um and uh
Speaker3: good you mentioned setup jill as i just remember that that just just got
Speaker3: meant on on the new on a news feed today about
Speaker3: setup setup is pulling the ios app store in
Speaker3: the eu uh in the nine to five
Speaker3: bat macram reported that uh the setup mobile third-party app store for iphone
Speaker3: failed fails due to quote unquote still evolving in complex terms um since the
Speaker3: The EU antitrust legislation forced Apple to allow third-party apps like iPhones with the block.
Speaker3: With Mac Plus Setup app, Mobile Setup, it was one of the first to take advantage
Speaker3: of this, but the company just announced it's closing it down.
Speaker3: Like it says, I think it's the terms. It's really tough, I guess, to compete.
Speaker3: So they're going to shut it down on February 15th, February 16th of 2026,
Speaker3: and going to sunset it. So the closer may force subscribers to take out individual
Speaker3: subscriptions for at least some of the apps.
Speaker3: But I think this is only happening in the EU. It's not happening in the setup.
Speaker3: I have the setup iOS apps that are part of the setup subscription.
Speaker3: And Chuck is smiling because, or he might be smiling because of some of the notes in our Zoom chat.
Speaker3: But what do you think on this setup announcement here?
Speaker0: You know i i'm a big setup fan i'm a big mac fall pan back paul fan um this
Speaker0: really kind of didn't surprise me uh.
Speaker3: Because i think
Speaker0: With with the sandboxing and all it's a lot more difficult to attract users
Speaker0: the way and developers the way that you can or they can't could and have and
Speaker0: do with setup um i think this was a great experiment for them to try i'm not
Speaker0: surprised it didn't work because of some of those challenges,
Speaker0: but I applaud them for taking a shot at it.
Speaker3: Yeah. Oh, I agree. I agree. Um, so, uh, yeah. So anybody else, some thoughts on this?
Speaker1: This is a reminder that Apple is not your friend.
Speaker1: Um, Apple's goal is to, uh, to increase value for shareholders that that's,
Speaker1: I mean, when you get to down to the bottom line, that's what their job is.
Speaker1: Uh, it just so happens that Apple makes products that actually do bring value into our lives.
Speaker1: And generally speaking they
Speaker1: do uh they do it in a way that um that
Speaker1: can be more appealing to us
Speaker1: than what other companies are doing um but apple is not our friend and they
Speaker1: have no interest in making it easy for for uh third-party app stores to work
Speaker1: anywhere and uh i think this this just helps drive that home.
Speaker1: But good on MacPaw for giving it a shot.
Speaker1: And now that I've said all that, at what point, and I'm just tossing this out
Speaker1: there, I'm not taking us down a rabbit hole, just something to think about.
Speaker1: At what point has it gone too far with governments dictating how businesses operate?
Speaker1: I mean, was it appropriate for the EU to force this in the first place.
Speaker1: And like I said, I'm not trying to start a new conversation,
Speaker1: just something to think about. Yeah.
Speaker3: Oh, yeah, for sure.
Speaker2: That's going to be my conversation is that there's the regulatory landscape's
Speaker2: too hard. So it makes it difficult.
Speaker1: Yeah. Yeah. It wasn't easy for Apple, but at the same time, I don't think Apple
Speaker1: wanted to make it easy. Yeah, right.
Speaker0: I so much want to have this conversation, but I won't hijack the show.
Speaker1: Well, maybe you have a special Mac Voices edition.
Speaker0: Yeah.
Speaker1: Yeah.
Speaker3: Um, so, uh, let's go ahead and move on.
Speaker3: Apple podcasts is officially more popular than it's ever been.
Speaker3: Uh, Apple published updates on a variety of services. Of course we just talked
Speaker3: about, and one of the most surprising details involved Apple podcasts,
Speaker3: it celebrated its best year yet, despite strong competition from YouTube and Spotify.
Speaker3: Uh, it, uh, it had record listeners, plays and subscribers just a few years ago.
Speaker3: Apple podcasts was a lone dormant player in the podcast space.
Speaker3: Itunes is where the podcast first thrived but uh and that was even inspired
Speaker3: by apple's ipod um but uh within the last couple years i apparently competitors like youtube and
Speaker3: Spotify were eating up the huge chunk of the market podcast market
Speaker3: because of these changes apple podcast seemed to be
Speaker3: more of a niche player but uh then yet apple
Speaker3: says 2025 one of its best years ever recording record
Speaker3: listeners plays and subscribers too uh i
Speaker3: guess the most natural explanation despite apple's losing
Speaker3: its market share uh and the overall but and
Speaker3: the market overall has grown significantly so in
Speaker3: other words it's uh it may own a much smaller piece of the podcasting pie than
Speaker3: it did before but that pie is now huge and a few of us here being podcasters
Speaker3: i would tend to agree is a place to uh uh doing that so and jeff then i'm gonna
Speaker3: put this broadcast I hear what you just said in our chat in Zoom,
Speaker3: Apple is doing a great job of spinning podcasts at the popularity.
Speaker3: I would agree with that. What do you think?
Speaker1: Well, okay, you put me on the spot. That's fair.
Speaker1: This is like me saying 2025 was the best year yet for me speaking Spanish.
Speaker1: Like maybe I learned a word.
Speaker1: This is a non-announcement. I'm not going to make you edit, but the word that
Speaker1: I want to use to describe this, you would have to do an edit. No, seriously.
Speaker1: Apple is trying to spin, we're not number one, into a positive.
Speaker1: If you want to look at the big names in podcasts, aggregators,
Speaker1: the places where people go, number one, YouTube.
Speaker1: Number two Spotify number three who
Speaker1: cares because I mean of
Speaker1: course we all care because it matters and
Speaker1: people do go to Apple podcasts to find
Speaker1: things and it is an important player in this game but come on we had our best
Speaker1: year yet yeah well so did I because because I learned that uh don deus da casa
Speaker1: pantalones is a stupid thing to say hey where where is my house of pants
Speaker0: Yeah i'm just gonna say i thought i would.
Speaker3: Share this somewhere yeah i knew you wanted to share this and didn't put you
Speaker3: on the spot because i i knew you would want to say something about it so that's why it
Speaker1: Is so easy to read me i know this is why everyone should play poker with me
Speaker1: because you'll just win I don't know.
Speaker1: At the same time, never play poker with Dave Ginsberg. And I'm not going to
Speaker1: elaborate on that. Just trust me.
Speaker1: Never play poker with Dave Ginsberg.
Speaker3: We'll talk after dark. Chuck, go ahead.
Speaker0: You know, I hear what Jeff's saying. The one thing, though, that I think needs
Speaker0: to factor in here a little bit is that Apple has been adding and improving the podcast app.
Speaker0: And I think as a result, that is, yeah, it's their best year.
Speaker0: Well, I'm glad to hear it because, you know, it's not good if you're improving
Speaker0: your app and things are going the other direction.
Speaker0: So I feel like there may be a little bit of legitimacy here because it is starting
Speaker0: to offer some features that may not be found in some of the other major podcast players.
Speaker0: And that to me is, you know, that's one of the big choices here.
Speaker0: If you're going to be a podcast consumer, you know, how are you going to consume it?
Speaker0: What software are you going to use? To Jeff's point, you have Spotify, you have YouTube.
Speaker0: But podcast aficionados, I do not for a second believe, spend a lot of time on Spotify or YouTube.
Speaker0: I think they're running through something like Overcast or Apple Podcasts.
Speaker0: Sorry, Jeff, didn't need to cut you off.
Speaker1: Oh, nope, you're fine. I was agreeing with you. Yep. I think that the third-party
Speaker1: podcast apps are incredibly popular,
Speaker1: and so they're getting that share that Apple wants to have in the podcast app. Yeah.
Speaker1: Jill's still thinking, I need to know more about this poker thing.
Speaker2: Yeah, I do want to know. But I remember when they came out with the podcast
Speaker2: app and they said, oh, we're not going to allow other podcast apps on the platform because why?
Speaker2: We already made it. We already made a perfect one and it's great.
Speaker2: And it wasn't great back then, but it isn't really good now.
Speaker2: It doesn't have the features that I'm looking for, which are the playlists and
Speaker2: the cutting, you know, the speeds or the cutting the gaps and all these other
Speaker2: things that other apps have.
Speaker2: But if they started getting that, I probably would switch over because I've
Speaker2: had a number of significant bugs with other podcast apps that I would go back to it.
Speaker2: But, you know, I think, like I said, they've come a long way and they've improved it.
Speaker2: And you're right. You know, they had one user before.
Speaker2: Now they have three. Wow, it's a 300% increase or a 200% increase,
Speaker2: you know, so you can play with stats all day long.
Speaker2: But I think it is solidly a good app now, and I'm, you know,
Speaker2: I'm anxious to see what they're going to do in the future with it.
Speaker1: I agree. It is a good app.
Speaker3: Yeah, it is. It's gotten better. I always was, I've been so enjoying using Pocket
Speaker3: Casts, I just kind of, I've just kind of avoided it.
Speaker3: But I probably need to put a little more focus on it.
Speaker3: But I keep, I keep that, mention them. So, yep, they do a good job.
Speaker1: And just for clarity, I'm not slamming the podcast app because, Jill, you're right.
Speaker1: This is a really good app, and they've made a lot of improvements.
Speaker1: What I'm slamming is the way Apple is trying to spin a positive into promoting
Speaker1: the podcast app the way they did. Yeah, totally.
Speaker3: All right so let's go go
Speaker3: on to um apple has adjusted
Speaker3: the trade-in values for iphone max and more uh this
Speaker3: actually was just released out today uh it's a recording here
Speaker3: uh there's a chart and the
Speaker3: link in the show notes for the mac mac rumors so
Speaker3: what the pricing has gone up uh so we see a little bit of increase in some of
Speaker3: the iphones um uh especially the 16 pro max that up to about 20 or 20 bucks
Speaker3: there uh all the way down to the it seems some some some little bit increased
Speaker3: values but as you start dropping down a little below and then you're down to the 12
Speaker3: and um in the 12 pro you're at 160 stayed the same and then you got the 13 which is about 180
Speaker3: so you're going to start seeing that the lower end models the the 14s which
Speaker3: still a lot of people are using that's still about 300 bucks on the pro um so
Speaker3: that's not too bad um and then uh going down to the Macs.
Speaker3: Well, they still give you 40 bucks for the iPhone 8. Wow.
Speaker3: I'm surprised that you can give that. Yeah.
Speaker3: Must be that that's a kind of a bonus there um and then the the ipads you have
Speaker3: the pros around seven hundred dollars uh up to of course and then all the way
Speaker3: down to the mini about 255
Speaker3: and then the mac so you got the um the the new values for the pro this is kind
Speaker3: of strange it's going it went from an old value of 760 dollars to 2515 dollars
Speaker3: really i have to see what my m1's gonna get me when i decide to trade it in
Speaker3: if it's gone yeah i think it's not gonna be that much i i
Speaker1: I think apple realized that um uh screwing over your customers like that is
Speaker1: uh bad form yeah because seriously that that was way too low for some of the models
Speaker3: It seemed especially my i have the m1 pro 16
Speaker3: inch and and it's got one terabyte storage i
Speaker3: mean and you're gonna give me 600 bucks for that you know
Speaker3: so um then the macbook air was went up to
Speaker3: 900 from 540 so yeah the the mac pricing
Speaker3: even with the imac and this is from 375 to
Speaker3: 875 so this is some good stuff
Speaker3: how about the mac pro they're still offering 3215 for
Speaker3: it when it was 2520 so is
Speaker3: that because they're adding newer models in there yeah maybe
Speaker3: um it's hard to say it's hard
Speaker3: to say so apple watch prices seem are
Speaker3: are pretty stagnant i i never got i mean
Speaker3: i i kept my series nine and my and my wife ended up
Speaker3: going with it so uh so uh and then i guess there was an update after this that
Speaker3: uh the apple had just adjusted the published trading prices uh for the second
Speaker3: time today and there's some wild swings now they're quoting oh here we go now
Speaker3: they're quoting a 710 for a macbook pro
Speaker3: So the pricing goes all over the place. So, yeah, I got teased there.
Speaker3: But not looking at the fine print at the bottom of the article.
Speaker3: But check that out. So it was very cool.
Speaker3: And then the last story I wanted to mention, unless anybody else had anything
Speaker3: to add to that, I wanted to talk about is the Apple TV has unveiled a major
Speaker3: sci-fi series. It's coming next month.
Speaker3: Monarch Legacy of Monsters is returning to Apple TV next month.
Speaker3: That's for season two it's it's the sci-fi epic
Speaker3: with godzilla and king kong just revealed a brand new titan in its first trailer
Speaker3: ooh uh so a lot apple tv has a strong library of uh sci-fi favorites with its
Speaker3: mainstream severance and pluribus i gotta finish pluribus i i got way so into
Speaker3: it i haven't finished yet i gotta watch it no
Speaker1: Spoilers but yes you have to
Speaker3: Watch it i was like i think i was up to episode six i was watching on the plane
Speaker3: going to go going to see you and coming home so uh and the foundation silo and
Speaker3: dark matter um but the one that these biggest epics was this one so uh let me
Speaker3: go back and i gotta watch this one too so you guys excited about this yes
Speaker2: Well, my brother and I had a very big conversation, and he is probably going
Speaker2: to be very excited about this show, but I am not into giant monsters.
Speaker2: I am more into space and old school fantasy.
Speaker1: Jill, for me, I was very worried about this just being Monster Fight of the Week.
Speaker1: And I was so pleasantly surprised when it was about the people and the monsters
Speaker1: are kind of on the periphery, occasionally right in the middle of it.
Speaker1: But it's about the people and the effect that the monsters are having on the people.
Speaker2: It reminds me of Quiet then. You know that Quiet series that's on Netflix where
Speaker2: monsters come down and they hear everything and then they kill you.
Speaker2: And it really has to do with more of what happened to society when you have
Speaker2: a monster that kills you when it can hear anything.
Speaker2: So maybe it's a little bit like that. What do people do about that?
Speaker1: Yeah. And what happens in the aftermath of the big battles that were in the movies?
Speaker0: And Jill, I'll tell you what, I'm kind of a passive fan of Godzilla and King Kong and all that.
Speaker0: And so when this first was announced, it's like, okay, I'll give it a shot.
Speaker0: And I was blown away by how much I liked it and how well done it was.
Speaker0: To Jeff's point, it wasn't just monsters crashing through cities.
Speaker0: It was a lot more to it. And so I would tell you to give it maybe two episodes
Speaker0: and see. And if it's not for you, that's fine.
Speaker0: But it's not, it's absolutely not what I thought it would be.
Speaker0: And I have no reason to believe that'll change. And so, you know,
Speaker0: it's one I wish everyone would at least give a shot, even if you're not a monster fan.
Speaker2: Okay, I'll do it.
Speaker1: In the chat, Witherbucket, totally nailed it. The best kaiju entertainment is about the people.
Speaker1: Absolutely true. And that's why Godzilla Minus One is really,
Speaker1: in my opinion, like top of the Godzilla movies. Yep.
Speaker2: That was part of the conversation too. Yeah. So, no, that makes a difference and I will try it out.
Speaker3: Still really good monsters, but the people matter.
Speaker1: Mm-hmm.
Speaker3: All right um all right so before we
Speaker3: go i wanted to make give a shout out to a couple of mac user
Speaker3: groups that jeff and i were uh presented this
Speaker3: past week uh the first one is the naples
Speaker3: mug uh it's uh naplesmug.com um
Speaker3: i spoke on um uh on on
Speaker3: this past tuesday and uh we had a had a
Speaker3: really great time i i did a session on cross-platform
Speaker3: screen capture across all the platforms and
Speaker3: beyond a lot of good interaction had a lot of fun uh
Speaker3: it was cool that the pre uh pre-meeting uh
Speaker3: shida shout out to shida she's he's always listening i
Speaker3: appreciate you listening shida uh that uh we
Speaker3: mentioned drive buddy uh last uh last time i think chuck
Speaker3: you weren't here and i don't know if you did see
Speaker3: this or not but uh this is a this is
Speaker3: An app that allows you to be able to scan every
Speaker3: single one of your drives and it allows you to
Speaker3: create a catalog and have it offline it
Speaker3: creates csv files and it also creates uh one
Speaker3: search all your drives so you can plug in 45 different drives
Speaker3: and have them hooked up and it will do a catalog of every single one
Speaker3: of them and it stores it locally so you don't have to go plug the
Speaker3: drives in and then you'll know by by creating kind of a catalog
Speaker3: and there's the csv export it's not that
Speaker3: expensive it's only like $19.99 it's a one-time charge um and uh yeah she she
Speaker3: she shouted out that she that i twisted around she bought it so i thought this
Speaker3: was a really cool really cool uh cool app and thanks for thanks for mentioning
Speaker3: that cheetah uh and then it was mac and tech that uh we had um
Speaker3: Uh, we also had, uh, uh, Jeff speaking about, uh, health and,
Speaker3: uh, we had, we had a really good time, uh, with that as well.
Speaker3: They're, they're a good bunch of people. There's their website. And, uh.
Speaker1: And Dave was instrumental in making my presentation, uh, a success.
Speaker1: So Dave, thank you for your help.
Speaker3: Oh, of course. There was Apple Health and Apps. Yeah.
Speaker3: So we, uh, yeah, it was kind of fun that we, we went through and,
Speaker3: uh, and as you were talking, I had the iPhone hooked up and I made some dummy, uh, health data.
Speaker3: Because obviously i don't want to be showing my health data on the presentation
Speaker3: uh so so two good two really
Speaker3: cool groups and uh yeah please check them out i'm gonna
Speaker3: have a link in the show notes for both those organizations and you can
Speaker3: join them if you want to especially uh uh and
Speaker3: mug they're they're a pretty amazing uh uh macintosh user group with all kinds
Speaker3: of meeting um uh classes and they do weekly meetings which is amazing you could
Speaker3: go back and watch them a lot of good in fact uh terry white's going to be on
Speaker3: next month with them or next month next week i think it's next week yeah as
Speaker3: we're recording here so i'm
Speaker2: Going to be in april uh with
Speaker3: Naples and you're speaking there yes right as well i think
Speaker3: i'm going to be in april again too i'd have
Speaker3: to i have to start thinking about what i'm going to talk about next so
Speaker3: yeah also shout out to tucson mac apple user group mac user groups they i'm
Speaker3: speaking with them on uh february 17th so i'm going to do the same presentation
Speaker3: for them so so it's it's busy seeing some of that mac user groups i'm excited
Speaker3: and i'm sure chuck appreciates it
Speaker3: too because he's always always been very supportive of mac user groups so
Speaker3: um but with that thank you what a great show i i really appreciate you being
Speaker3: here so before we go i want to make sure i find out where everybody can be found
Speaker3: you know go reverse this timeline and start with jill mckinley thank you always
Speaker3: for being here it's such a pleasure to have you part of the show and uh what
Speaker3: uh where can people find you
Speaker2: Well, you can, the best way to find me is to go to jillfromthenorthwoods.com.
Speaker2: That is just the links to all the ways of contacting me and all my podcasts.
Speaker2: And you can find them. And I just rehosted all my podcasts, so they should be
Speaker2: faster and better than ever. So thank you so much for having me. I appreciate it.
Speaker3: Oh, absolutely. So glad you're here. And Jeff Gamet, so glad you're here.
Speaker3: Where can people find you?
Speaker1: Well, let's see. How about on social media as Jay Gamet, mostly on Mastodon,
Speaker1: Pixel Fed, and Blue Sky right now.
Speaker1: And then for shows, Tuesdays on Chuck's Mac Voices Live, here with you on Thursdays
Speaker1: for In Touch With iOS, then on the British Tech Network for The Big Show and The Mac Show.
Speaker1: Brian Chaffin and I do The Context Machine and Patrice Brendamore and I do Retro
Speaker1: Rewatch and as we record I think it's okay for me to let everyone know that Friday,
Speaker1: January 16th that's when the next episode of Retro Rewatch drops and that will
Speaker1: be the season three cliffhanger episode, end of the season cliffhanger episode
Speaker1: for Stargate SG-1 There you go,
Speaker3: There's your plug right there
Speaker1: Everything tastes better in a Retro Rewatch mug.
Speaker2: It does. Nice.
Speaker3: And Chuck Joyner, thank you for being here. Glad you're back with us after your long CES adventure.
Speaker3: Where can people find you?
Speaker0: Macvoices.com. That's where you'll find all of the CES coverage as we get it
Speaker0: edited and out to you, along with mixed in with some of our regular Mac Voices content.
Speaker0: Tuesday nights live at YouTube.com slash Mac Voices TV. And on the socials as
Speaker0: at Chuck Joyner. Thank you, Dave.
Speaker3: Thank you.
Speaker0: Thank you.
Speaker3: Last but certainly not least, Eric Bolden, where can people find you?
Speaker3: They can be found on Mastodon at eabolden at mas.to.
Speaker3: Otherwise, Monday nights on Vision Profiles, covering all the Vision OS stuff with Dave and Marty.
Speaker3: Tuesdays on Mac Voices with all the macOS news. And of course,
Speaker3: Thursday is in touch with iOS and rounding out the week, covering everything
Speaker3: else and summing it all up.
Speaker3: Excellent. Thank you, Eric. And all right, that's a wrap for this week.
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