1 00:00:00,625 --> 00:00:02,458 Oh my God. 2 00:00:03,333 --> 00:00:04,541 Look, how many times we 3 00:00:04,541 --> 00:00:05,208 have to go through this? 4 00:00:05,625 --> 00:00:06,291 When you don't manage 5 00:00:06,291 --> 00:00:07,875 fisheries properly, we get a collapse. 6 00:00:08,375 --> 00:00:10,208 And if you don't recover properly, you 7 00:00:10,208 --> 00:00:12,083 will get prone to another collapse. 8 00:00:12,625 --> 00:00:14,791 This is what's happening with capelin on 9 00:00:14,791 --> 00:00:16,166 the east coast of Canada. 10 00:00:16,166 --> 00:00:17,583 And we're going to talk about today why 11 00:00:17,583 --> 00:00:20,333 capelin's population is 16% of its 12 00:00:20,333 --> 00:00:22,083 pre-collapsed biomass. 13 00:00:22,791 --> 00:00:24,083 That is not good. We're going to talk 14 00:00:24,083 --> 00:00:25,125 about the health of cod, 15 00:00:25,125 --> 00:00:26,833 which is the major predator of capelin, 16 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:28,875 and how the low biomass affects both 17 00:00:28,875 --> 00:00:31,041 capelin and northern cod population. 18 00:00:31,041 --> 00:00:32,125 We're going to talk about that on today's 19 00:00:32,125 --> 00:00:33,375 episode of the how to protect the ocean 20 00:00:33,375 --> 00:00:35,041 podcast. Let's start the show. 21 00:00:37,500 --> 00:00:38,583 Hey, everybody. Welcome back to another 22 00:00:38,583 --> 00:00:40,125 exciting episode of the how to protect 23 00:00:40,125 --> 00:00:41,583 the ocean podcast. I'm your host, Andrew 24 00:00:41,583 --> 00:00:42,791 Lewin. And this is the podcast where you 25 00:00:42,791 --> 00:00:44,166 find out what's happening with the ocean, 26 00:00:44,166 --> 00:00:45,750 how you can speak up for the ocean, what 27 00:00:45,750 --> 00:00:47,125 you can do to live for a 28 00:00:47,125 --> 00:00:49,000 better ocean by taking action. 29 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:50,333 And on today's episode, we're going to be 30 00:00:50,333 --> 00:00:52,708 talking about capelin, a small fish that 31 00:00:52,708 --> 00:00:55,875 is really driving the population up and 32 00:00:55,875 --> 00:00:59,375 down for northern cod. Now, northern cod, 33 00:00:59,375 --> 00:01:00,875 as you know, we talked a lot about 34 00:01:00,875 --> 00:01:02,708 actually we talked about capelin as well, 35 00:01:02,708 --> 00:01:04,000 you know, about a year ago, 36 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:05,000 just in around a year ago. 37 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:06,666 But we talked about both these 38 00:01:06,666 --> 00:01:08,833 populations and northern cod very famous 39 00:01:08,833 --> 00:01:11,416 for the 1992 collapse in the moratorium 40 00:01:11,416 --> 00:01:14,333 on fishing for cod. And there has been a 41 00:01:14,333 --> 00:01:17,333 32 year moratorium on this species up 42 00:01:17,333 --> 00:01:20,500 until 2024 when DFO, Department of 43 00:01:20,500 --> 00:01:21,708 Fisheries and Oceans Canada, actually 44 00:01:21,708 --> 00:01:25,416 opened up the fishery for cod, even 45 00:01:25,416 --> 00:01:27,500 though not only Oceania, but other 46 00:01:27,500 --> 00:01:28,958 organizations were saying, hey, you know 47 00:01:28,958 --> 00:01:30,500 what, maybe we should pause on this, 48 00:01:30,791 --> 00:01:32,958 especially the in-shore fishery group 49 00:01:32,958 --> 00:01:33,625 were saying, hey, we 50 00:01:33,625 --> 00:01:34,000 shouldn't open it up to the ocean. 51 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:36,791 The offshore fishery group and they were 52 00:01:36,791 --> 00:01:38,250 saying, hey, look, capelin, we're 53 00:01:38,250 --> 00:01:39,375 actually gonna open that too, because 54 00:01:39,375 --> 00:01:41,250 that's okay to fish, but they're not 55 00:01:41,250 --> 00:01:42,416 really doing very well. And we're going 56 00:01:42,416 --> 00:01:43,708 to talk about it today because it's 57 00:01:43,708 --> 00:01:45,041 something that we have to talk about. 58 00:01:45,458 --> 00:01:48,208 The goal of the mission really of 59 00:01:48,208 --> 00:01:50,000 Department of Fisheries and Oceans, DFO 60 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:52,375 here in Canada is to protect fisheries, 61 00:01:52,583 --> 00:01:54,750 not only for the environment's sake, but 62 00:01:54,750 --> 00:01:56,666 also for the sake of the fishing 63 00:01:56,666 --> 00:01:59,375 industry. When the 1992 moratorium came 64 00:01:59,375 --> 00:02:02,500 in for northern cod, there was uproar on 65 00:02:02,500 --> 00:02:04,000 how it was affecting everybody's life. 66 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:06,250 Not only in Newfoundland, but along the 67 00:02:06,250 --> 00:02:08,375 east coast of Canada and including down 68 00:02:08,375 --> 00:02:10,875 south. This was devastating. It changed 69 00:02:10,875 --> 00:02:12,958 the landscape, economic landscape of 70 00:02:12,958 --> 00:02:14,166 Newfoundland, which was normally a 71 00:02:14,166 --> 00:02:16,583 fishing province. It was known for its 72 00:02:16,583 --> 00:02:18,083 fishing communities. Now they had to 73 00:02:18,083 --> 00:02:20,125 switch and what they were going to do, 74 00:02:20,125 --> 00:02:21,375 whether they had to switch from northern 75 00:02:21,375 --> 00:02:23,291 cod to a different species like lobster, 76 00:02:23,291 --> 00:02:25,875 crab or shrimp, or they had to get out of 77 00:02:25,875 --> 00:02:27,291 the fishing business altogether after 78 00:02:27,291 --> 00:02:30,000 generations and generations of fishing. 79 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:31,375 So not only does it affect the 80 00:02:31,375 --> 00:02:32,083 environment, but it 81 00:02:32,083 --> 00:02:33,000 also affects all the fish. 82 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:35,000 It affects all of the economy that's 83 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:36,750 surrounding it. Now, of course, when you 84 00:02:36,750 --> 00:02:38,500 talk about the environmental impact, when 85 00:02:38,500 --> 00:02:40,208 fishing for cod was really starting to be 86 00:02:40,208 --> 00:02:41,791 known, there was rumors that you could 87 00:02:41,791 --> 00:02:43,750 just drop a bucket into the water and you 88 00:02:43,750 --> 00:02:45,541 would catch cod, like northern cod, 89 00:02:45,541 --> 00:02:47,458 instantly. Obviously, that's not the case 90 00:02:47,458 --> 00:02:49,500 anymore. We saw the dip. Politicians 91 00:02:49,500 --> 00:02:51,083 ignored the dip. Scientists were telling 92 00:02:51,083 --> 00:02:53,083 them, hey, you know what? There's a big 93 00:02:53,083 --> 00:02:54,958 loss of northern cod. There's a big loss 94 00:02:54,958 --> 00:02:57,166 of haddock. And when you get a loss of 95 00:02:57,166 --> 00:03:00,291 big, demersal fish, you get an abundance 96 00:03:00,291 --> 00:03:02,000 of small pelagic fish, which they eat. 97 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:04,500 So there's a lot of stuff going on here 98 00:03:04,500 --> 00:03:06,666 from an environmental aspect and as well 99 00:03:06,666 --> 00:03:08,791 from an economic aspect. So we need to 100 00:03:08,791 --> 00:03:11,208 talk about what is happening. Oceana 101 00:03:11,208 --> 00:03:12,625 released a press release. I got it right 102 00:03:12,625 --> 00:03:14,291 in my email. I'm so glad it is. So thank 103 00:03:14,291 --> 00:03:15,000 you, Oceana Canada for doing that. 104 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:19,041 Capeland is at 16% of its pre-collapse 105 00:03:19,041 --> 00:03:22,041 biomass and it remains severely depleted. 106 00:03:22,541 --> 00:03:24,875 So northern cod is also stagnating in its 107 00:03:24,875 --> 00:03:26,458 recovery and cannot rebound without 108 00:03:26,458 --> 00:03:28,833 healthy capelin stocks. And now just to 109 00:03:28,833 --> 00:03:31,208 talk about what is happening with the 110 00:03:31,208 --> 00:03:33,208 population of cod. Cod were 111 00:03:33,208 --> 00:03:35,000 essentially recovering in 2017. 112 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:37,791 They were at a big growth. They were, I 113 00:03:37,791 --> 00:03:40,208 think they were hovering around 300,000 114 00:03:40,208 --> 00:03:43,500 and 600,000 tons and that was in 2017, 115 00:03:43,500 --> 00:03:45,625 but have stalled since then. So we're 116 00:03:45,625 --> 00:03:47,208 seeing obviously a stall of that 117 00:03:47,208 --> 00:03:49,083 population growth, a loss in the 118 00:03:49,083 --> 00:03:51,958 population of capelin. And capelin is the 119 00:03:51,958 --> 00:03:54,250 big prey species for northern cod. 120 00:03:54,250 --> 00:03:55,375 Northern cod are the ones that eat 121 00:03:55,375 --> 00:03:57,458 capelin all the time. So that's something 122 00:03:57,458 --> 00:03:58,541 that is really important. They're 123 00:03:58,541 --> 00:04:00,583 obviously related and their populations 124 00:04:00,583 --> 00:04:02,375 are really feeling it. Maybe there was a 125 00:04:02,375 --> 00:04:03,000 big jump in population of northern cod. So, 126 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:06,791 you know, obviously in fishing industries 127 00:04:06,791 --> 00:04:08,208 like hey, we want to fish more fish. They 128 00:04:08,208 --> 00:04:10,625 didn't do it until 2024, but it could 129 00:04:10,625 --> 00:04:12,208 have just stagnated because capelin kept 130 00:04:12,208 --> 00:04:14,041 going down. Maybe it was because of an 131 00:04:14,041 --> 00:04:16,750 increase in the population of northern 132 00:04:16,750 --> 00:04:18,458 cod or it could be a lot of other factors 133 00:04:18,458 --> 00:04:20,458 like cumulative like climate change could 134 00:04:20,458 --> 00:04:22,208 be, you know, ocean pollution. It could 135 00:04:22,208 --> 00:04:23,541 be a variety overfishing. It could be a 136 00:04:23,541 --> 00:04:25,791 variety of things on the capelin side. So 137 00:04:25,791 --> 00:04:26,875 that's something that we have to worry 138 00:04:26,875 --> 00:04:28,750 about. Now, capelin showed signs of recovery in 2022 when fishing actually pause, but they resume the process of recovery. So they're going to be doing a lot of research on the 139 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:36,500 fishing in 2023 and 2024 and put it back 140 00:04:36,500 --> 00:04:38,041 at risk. It just goes to show that the 141 00:04:38,041 --> 00:04:39,791 fishing pressure is what's causing 142 00:04:39,791 --> 00:04:42,166 capelin to go down. Now, cod has since 143 00:04:42,166 --> 00:04:44,625 stall, as I mentioned, 300 to 600,000 144 00:04:44,625 --> 00:04:47,333 tons in 2017, one third of its 1960 145 00:04:47,333 --> 00:04:49,541 level. So obviously 1960s is where we 146 00:04:49,541 --> 00:04:51,500 really started to pre started to see that 147 00:04:51,500 --> 00:04:53,958 decline usually in the 70s. So here are 148 00:04:53,958 --> 00:04:55,333 some of the recommendations that Oceania 149 00:04:55,333 --> 00:04:56,791 has. So there's a few of them. There's 150 00:04:56,791 --> 00:04:58,416 probably about six of them that I'm going 151 00:04:58,416 --> 00:05:00,041 to read out. So the first one is pause 152 00:05:00,041 --> 00:05:01,500 the commercial fishing of capelin 153 00:05:01,500 --> 00:05:03,000 fishery. Right? That's the first thing. 154 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:03,291 So the first thing is pause the commercial fishing of capelin fishery. So 155 00:05:03,291 --> 00:05:03,625 that's the first thing to do. The 156 00:05:03,625 --> 00:05:05,125 population is going to be built when the 157 00:05:05,125 --> 00:05:06,833 protections are in place. Number two, 158 00:05:07,375 --> 00:05:09,750 reduce northern cod quota to support long 159 00:05:09,750 --> 00:05:12,416 term recovery. Number three, establish 160 00:05:12,416 --> 00:05:14,708 healthy thresholds and biomass targets 161 00:05:14,708 --> 00:05:16,291 aligned with the fisheries act. This 162 00:05:16,291 --> 00:05:18,416 fisheries act is a great act. It just got 163 00:05:18,416 --> 00:05:21,083 redone right before 2019. And it's about 164 00:05:21,083 --> 00:05:22,875 time and we strengthened it. But now we 165 00:05:22,875 --> 00:05:24,375 got to use it. We got to actually 166 00:05:24,375 --> 00:05:26,458 establish those healthy thresholds and 167 00:05:26,458 --> 00:05:28,750 align themselves with the fisheries act 168 00:05:28,750 --> 00:05:31,291 as well as biomass targets. Now biomass 169 00:05:31,291 --> 00:05:32,541 is the weight, of course, right? 170 00:05:32,541 --> 00:05:33,000 Abundance is the weight. 171 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:33,875 Abundance is the number of individuals 172 00:05:33,875 --> 00:05:36,458 and number four, set annual harvest rules 173 00:05:36,458 --> 00:05:38,958 for predictable rebuilding focused 174 00:05:38,958 --> 00:05:42,291 fishing. That's the key. Number five, add 175 00:05:42,291 --> 00:05:45,000 capelin to the stock provisions of the 176 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:46,416 fisheries act. This is to make sure that 177 00:05:46,416 --> 00:05:47,916 they are measured and they are tracked 178 00:05:47,916 --> 00:05:50,375 all the way through so that we can see if 179 00:05:50,375 --> 00:05:52,166 their population goes up or down on an 180 00:05:52,166 --> 00:05:54,083 annual basis. And then number six, 181 00:05:54,416 --> 00:05:56,500 implement modern monitoring protocols per 182 00:05:56,500 --> 00:05:58,333 DFOs Department of Fisheries and Oceans 183 00:05:58,333 --> 00:06:01,333 Canada fishery monitoring policy. So all 184 00:06:01,333 --> 00:06:03,000 these go into place to make sure that they are measured. 185 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:03,458 And then number seven, make sure that 186 00:06:03,458 --> 00:06:05,083 these stocks are healthy. We've had 187 00:06:05,083 --> 00:06:06,958 Jessica Shins from Oceana Canada on 188 00:06:06,958 --> 00:06:08,500 before we talked about their annual 189 00:06:08,500 --> 00:06:10,625 report just last year that was done in 190 00:06:10,625 --> 00:06:12,916 2024 and done every year. And it talks 191 00:06:12,916 --> 00:06:15,000 about how a lot of these fish don't have 192 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:16,458 monitoring plans. A lot of these fish 193 00:06:16,458 --> 00:06:18,750 don't have these rebuilding protocols. 194 00:06:18,750 --> 00:06:20,791 That's gut wrenching, especially with the 195 00:06:20,791 --> 00:06:22,875 fact that they're lowering in the number 196 00:06:22,875 --> 00:06:25,000 in population. And that's something that 197 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:26,875 we can have. So here's a thing without 198 00:06:26,875 --> 00:06:28,000 these monitoring programs, 199 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:29,041 without these provisions, 200 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:53,666 they're not tracking it after this 201 00:06:53,666 --> 00:06:55,166 collapse. So you got to make sure to 202 00:06:55,166 --> 00:06:57,208 monitor the species so that we can find 203 00:06:57,208 --> 00:06:59,208 out as a recovery. Maybe this had to do 204 00:06:59,208 --> 00:07:01,125 with a lot of the recovery of cod and not 205 00:07:01,125 --> 00:07:02,250 doing so well in his 206 00:07:02,250 --> 00:07:03,000 recovery because you would 207 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:04,541 think if you had a moratorium on fishing 208 00:07:04,541 --> 00:07:07,166 in 1992, you would expect that there'd be 209 00:07:07,166 --> 00:07:10,125 a huge recovery, but that's not so. So 210 00:07:10,125 --> 00:07:11,666 something else is going on there. Maybe 211 00:07:11,666 --> 00:07:13,541 it's the prey species. The population has 212 00:07:13,541 --> 00:07:15,166 gone up and down since then. And they 213 00:07:15,166 --> 00:07:16,958 don't have the proper benchmarks for it. 214 00:07:17,166 --> 00:07:19,041 And also recent quotas, especially in 215 00:07:19,041 --> 00:07:22,916 2024 when there was a 38.5% rise for cod 216 00:07:22,916 --> 00:07:25,708 fishing do not align with scientific and 217 00:07:25,708 --> 00:07:29,333 recovery needs. It's not lining up. This 218 00:07:29,333 --> 00:07:31,583 is the frustrating part. DFO says all 219 00:07:31,583 --> 00:07:33,000 their decisions are based on science. 220 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:35,250 This is not true. This is not based on 221 00:07:35,250 --> 00:07:36,458 science because the science is saying 222 00:07:36,458 --> 00:07:38,125 different. And this is what happened in 223 00:07:38,125 --> 00:07:41,333 the 1992 moratorium, like the collapse of 224 00:07:41,333 --> 00:07:42,750 the codfish, the northern cod fishery. We 225 00:07:42,750 --> 00:07:45,166 keep seeing this. Last concern and 226 00:07:45,166 --> 00:07:46,958 challenges is fisheries management risk 227 00:07:46,958 --> 00:07:49,541 long term economic failure and ecological 228 00:07:49,541 --> 00:07:50,958 damage. So if you're not doing it 229 00:07:50,958 --> 00:07:52,750 properly, you're going to have a problem. 230 00:07:53,291 --> 00:07:55,333 Rebuilding these stocks, the capelin and 231 00:07:55,333 --> 00:07:56,791 the cod stocks is essential for ocean 232 00:07:56,791 --> 00:07:58,875 health, tourism and local communities. 233 00:07:58,875 --> 00:08:00,250 People come for the northern cod. People 234 00:08:00,250 --> 00:08:01,500 come for the capelin. 235 00:08:01,500 --> 00:08:03,000 They're very, very important to 236 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:04,833 the east coast. It's entrenched in their 237 00:08:04,833 --> 00:08:06,416 culture. It's entrenched in their 238 00:08:06,416 --> 00:08:08,083 history. It's something that we need to 239 00:08:08,083 --> 00:08:10,458 protect. Northern cod could recover in 11 240 00:08:10,458 --> 00:08:12,875 years predicted to do that supporting 16 241 00:08:12,875 --> 00:08:16,500 times more jobs and $233 million in 242 00:08:16,500 --> 00:08:18,375 economic activity. Think about that. 243 00:08:18,958 --> 00:08:20,541 Think about the benefits of doing that 244 00:08:20,541 --> 00:08:22,958 and recover population in 11 years. 245 00:08:22,958 --> 00:08:24,500 That's what's predicted. If you do it 246 00:08:24,500 --> 00:08:27,500 properly, please do it properly. And of 247 00:08:27,500 --> 00:08:29,833 course, failing to act now means losing a 248 00:08:29,833 --> 00:08:31,541 rare opportunity to restore vibrant 249 00:08:31,541 --> 00:08:32,791 fishery and sustainable 250 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:35,250 economy. So that's a big problem. Now, if 251 00:08:35,250 --> 00:08:36,833 you probably want to like Andrew, like 252 00:08:36,833 --> 00:08:38,125 this is what the science says. What are 253 00:08:38,125 --> 00:08:39,875 the people say? Now, according to ocean 254 00:08:39,875 --> 00:08:42,291 and according to April 2023 survey, 84% 255 00:08:42,625 --> 00:08:44,416 of Newfoundland and Labrador residents 256 00:08:44,416 --> 00:08:46,750 support a capelin fishery pause. That was 257 00:08:46,750 --> 00:08:49,666 in April 2023 survey and 82% believe in 258 00:08:49,666 --> 00:08:51,916 the federal government should do more to 259 00:08:51,916 --> 00:08:54,875 manage forage fish like capelin and ocean 260 00:08:54,875 --> 00:08:56,666 and Canada scientists stress the critical 261 00:08:56,666 --> 00:08:58,750 ecological, cultural and economic roles 262 00:08:58,750 --> 00:09:01,000 of capelin along the east coast of 263 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:03,000 Canada. Look, it's really simple folks. 264 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:05,375 We need to protect the species. We need 265 00:09:05,375 --> 00:09:06,833 to make sure that we're putting the place 266 00:09:06,833 --> 00:09:08,708 the management policies that have been 267 00:09:08,708 --> 00:09:11,041 put into place by the fisheries act. We 268 00:09:11,041 --> 00:09:13,291 just need to actually implement them. We 269 00:09:13,291 --> 00:09:15,000 have to use them. That's all we need to 270 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:16,625 do. Just have to follow them. It's really 271 00:09:16,625 --> 00:09:18,250 not that difficult, but there's always 272 00:09:18,250 --> 00:09:20,666 pressure politically from the fishing 273 00:09:20,666 --> 00:09:23,583 industry from outside factors and outside 274 00:09:23,583 --> 00:09:25,291 companies. A big companies that are there 275 00:09:25,291 --> 00:09:26,583 for the greed. They're there for the 276 00:09:26,583 --> 00:09:28,541 money. They don't really care about the 277 00:09:28,541 --> 00:09:30,000 cod fishery. They don't really care about 278 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:31,791 the capelin fishery. All they care is 279 00:09:31,791 --> 00:09:33,000 about their money. I'm not talking about 280 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:35,500 artisanal fishers. These are the big, big 281 00:09:35,500 --> 00:09:37,375 unions, the big companies that just want 282 00:09:37,375 --> 00:09:39,291 to fish and they don't believe in the 283 00:09:39,291 --> 00:09:41,041 science and I'm not saying this is 284 00:09:41,041 --> 00:09:42,625 everybody, right? I don't want to 285 00:09:42,625 --> 00:09:44,833 generalize here, but this is the concern 286 00:09:44,833 --> 00:09:46,833 what happens and then the minister gives 287 00:09:46,833 --> 00:09:48,291 in. They don't follow the science. They 288 00:09:48,291 --> 00:09:50,125 have to balance it and I just don't agree 289 00:09:50,125 --> 00:09:51,916 with the way they're doing it. They can't 290 00:09:51,916 --> 00:09:53,625 just balance all the time. It doesn't 291 00:09:53,625 --> 00:09:56,750 work. It does not work and shows just the 292 00:09:56,750 --> 00:09:58,458 numbers that I've provided here today. So 293 00:09:58,458 --> 00:10:00,666 that's something of concern. I want to 294 00:10:00,666 --> 00:10:01,166 bring it to your 295 00:10:01,166 --> 00:10:02,916 attention. I've covered this piece. 296 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:04,500 It's not really the science of these 2 297 00:10:04,500 --> 00:10:05,708 fish, the relationship between these 2 298 00:10:05,708 --> 00:10:07,333 fish for a number of years now and I 299 00:10:07,333 --> 00:10:08,666 haven't seen anything getting better. In 300 00:10:08,666 --> 00:10:10,791 fact, I'm seeing it getting worse. And so 301 00:10:10,791 --> 00:10:12,541 that's a concern. We want to see what 302 00:10:12,541 --> 00:10:14,000 would happen if we open up the fishery. 303 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:15,125 This is what's happening. We're seeing 304 00:10:15,125 --> 00:10:17,958 lowered stocks. 16% of pre collapse level 305 00:10:17,958 --> 00:10:20,333 for capelin. Not a very good sign. And of 306 00:10:20,333 --> 00:10:21,750 course, the population of Northern Cod 307 00:10:21,750 --> 00:10:25,375 stalling since 2017 growth. So not good. 308 00:10:25,375 --> 00:10:27,083 I'd love to hear your thought about this. 309 00:10:27,083 --> 00:10:28,083 If you're watching this on the YouTube 310 00:10:28,083 --> 00:10:29,958 channel, just hit me up in the comments. 311 00:10:29,958 --> 00:10:31,083 Let me know what you think. 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We'll talk to you next time 325 00:10:54,250 --> 00:10:55,416 and happy conservation.