1 00:00:00,780 --> 00:00:06,540 You're listening to a very spatial podcast, episode 764, July 8th, 2025. 2 00:00:15,060 --> 00:00:19,380 Here inside my heart distance from the 3 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:23,760 hello and welcome to a very spatial podcast. 4 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:24,300 I'm Jesse. 5 00:00:24,570 --> 00:00:25,050 I'm Sue. 6 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:26,370 I'm Barb. 7 00:00:26,370 --> 00:00:27,000 And this is Frank. 8 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:27,090 And. 9 00:00:29,115 --> 00:00:31,935 This week we're gonna be talking about stuff. 10 00:00:32,395 --> 00:00:36,955 But first of course some news and kicking off this week is not really 11 00:00:36,955 --> 00:00:40,195 news, or it shouldn't be news now, it's something that's already happened. 12 00:00:40,245 --> 00:00:46,425 Esri has deprecated story maps.com and if you recall, back in the day, 13 00:00:46,425 --> 00:00:50,355 story maps.com was their attempt to try to get creators, social media 14 00:00:50,355 --> 00:00:51,345 people, whatever you wanna call it. 15 00:00:52,020 --> 00:00:56,700 I am not gonna use the I word to use story maps, which a few people did. 16 00:00:57,040 --> 00:00:58,030 But really it, it. 17 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:02,350 Really focused and continued to be more of the professional 18 00:01:02,450 --> 00:01:04,370 population that was using story maps. 19 00:01:04,459 --> 00:01:07,490 And so, and that's kind of the upshot. 20 00:01:07,610 --> 00:01:12,590 So not really a lot of news, just a, hey, if you had story maps on story maps.com, 21 00:01:12,950 --> 00:01:16,490 they've been announcing this for, I don't know, 18 years, 27 years on forever. 22 00:01:16,490 --> 00:01:18,800 It feels like forever they've been saying, this is going away, this 23 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:19,759 is going away, this is going away. 24 00:01:19,759 --> 00:01:20,870 She really should know that by now. 25 00:01:21,105 --> 00:01:24,015 As someone who was impacted, I have to, to say, even though you've 26 00:01:24,015 --> 00:01:27,165 been hearing it, like everyone, you just kept putting it off. 27 00:01:27,595 --> 00:01:31,045 But Aaron Carroll, who created story maps, wrote a really nice article 28 00:01:31,045 --> 00:01:33,205 where he said, here's my process. 29 00:01:33,205 --> 00:01:35,755 Look, you're gonna have to screenshot things. 30 00:01:35,755 --> 00:01:39,385 You're gonna have to, you know, maybe download it as a PDF. 31 00:01:39,385 --> 00:01:40,765 There's no good way to do it. 32 00:01:40,835 --> 00:01:44,675 So save the ones you wanna save and just let the other ones sort 33 00:01:44,675 --> 00:01:48,965 of, you know, depreciate along with, you know the story maps.com. 34 00:01:49,455 --> 00:01:53,915 So even though everyone's been hearing it, it doesn't really hit till you're like oh, 35 00:01:54,125 --> 00:01:58,025 I, I bet 80% of their client base went, wait, what? 36 00:01:58,775 --> 00:01:59,795 Well, I'm in that 37 00:01:59,795 --> 00:02:00,275 category. 38 00:02:00,275 --> 00:02:03,425 'cause you say everybody's heard about this, but I'm, I didn't find out about 39 00:02:03,425 --> 00:02:08,435 it until, I don't know, 25th, 26th of June when it was deprecating on the 30th. 40 00:02:09,260 --> 00:02:11,690 So I, maybe the reason I, I mean they've been talking about it for 41 00:02:11,690 --> 00:02:14,450 a long time, and maybe the reason I knew about it was because I'm 42 00:02:14,450 --> 00:02:16,130 involved in the story maps, sort of. 43 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:18,380 Did you have an account on story maps.com? 44 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:19,950 I did. 45 00:02:19,950 --> 00:02:20,402 See, I did not. 46 00:02:20,407 --> 00:02:20,850 Maybe that's, 47 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:24,420 well, I, I didn't use it very much, so I was like, I don't care. 48 00:02:24,510 --> 00:02:25,080 But still, 49 00:02:25,350 --> 00:02:28,350 well, but you would've gotten the emails from it, whereas since I 50 00:02:28,350 --> 00:02:30,120 just used traditional story maps. 51 00:02:31,605 --> 00:02:32,415 Maybe that's why I didn't say it. 52 00:02:32,415 --> 00:02:32,625 Yeah. 53 00:02:33,135 --> 00:02:35,925 I think my question in all this is, are they gonna keep the URL? 54 00:02:35,925 --> 00:02:38,265 'cause it's still a cool URL and if it's just parked there, not 55 00:02:38,265 --> 00:02:39,225 doing anything, that's a bummer. 56 00:02:40,515 --> 00:02:41,385 That's just my question. 57 00:02:41,595 --> 00:02:44,055 It, it's Esri, they reuse every name eventually. 58 00:02:44,055 --> 00:02:44,385 Right. 59 00:02:44,665 --> 00:02:48,965 Next up in news a GS online has had its, I always want it to be 60 00:02:48,965 --> 00:02:50,465 quarterly, but it's not quarterly. 61 00:02:50,465 --> 00:02:50,675 What's. 62 00:02:51,245 --> 00:02:52,055 Three times a year. 63 00:02:52,055 --> 00:02:54,215 Update name, try annually. 64 00:02:54,215 --> 00:02:54,335 What? 65 00:02:54,335 --> 00:02:54,575 Try. 66 00:02:54,635 --> 00:02:54,995 Yeah. 67 00:02:55,325 --> 00:02:56,735 So it, it's update. 68 00:02:56,765 --> 00:03:00,275 This should be no, should not be a surprise to many RGS online users. 69 00:03:00,275 --> 00:03:03,485 This is a very common thing they do just before the uc, which is coming 70 00:03:03,485 --> 00:03:08,525 up next week, I think it's so, it it, there's a whole bunch of new updates 71 00:03:08,525 --> 00:03:15,035 up there and like almost every update for the last a few years now there's 72 00:03:15,035 --> 00:03:17,825 a bunch of little things that are. 73 00:03:18,215 --> 00:03:19,355 Very nice and very useful. 74 00:03:19,355 --> 00:03:23,285 There's a bunch of stuff in there that is you, you never even knew it was an issue. 75 00:03:23,285 --> 00:03:25,715 And then there's a couple things that are like, oh wow, that's really 76 00:03:25,835 --> 00:03:27,245 cool that they finally added that. 77 00:03:27,245 --> 00:03:30,245 Like the ability to just drag and drop files over on the maps and the 78 00:03:30,245 --> 00:03:34,115 map viewer, like kind of a little thing, but actually a big thing. 79 00:03:34,905 --> 00:03:39,465 And there's some other cool stuff about content management, which is quite nice 80 00:03:39,515 --> 00:03:45,635 because I've always been frustrated with the process of republishing data. 81 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:50,360 Because the workflow that I think most people who have been using GIS for 82 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:55,070 a really long time have gotten into is using something like RGS Pro and 83 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:59,900 making a a, a map and making, using some data and then hitting publish. 84 00:03:59,900 --> 00:04:02,750 And then suddenly you have some feature layers up there and you got your 85 00:04:02,750 --> 00:04:06,260 map, and then you go to do it again in RRGs Pro and you hit publish and 86 00:04:06,260 --> 00:04:07,580 it goes, can't, it's already there. 87 00:04:07,970 --> 00:04:08,750 And you go, wait, what? 88 00:04:09,380 --> 00:04:12,950 So the, the process of updating was always a real pain in the neck. 89 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:15,650 This new data update thing is gonna make it easier. 90 00:04:15,995 --> 00:04:20,465 I'm excited about the curved line, but you, you now can, you 91 00:04:20,465 --> 00:04:26,255 know, have that curved line sketch feature to add paths easily. 92 00:04:26,855 --> 00:04:31,175 And I will note that Model Builder is now no longer in preview. 93 00:04:31,175 --> 00:04:33,755 It is now general release as of this version, 94 00:04:34,235 --> 00:04:35,555 which means I'll have to go take a look at it. 95 00:04:36,460 --> 00:04:37,865 I, I really just kind of waited. 96 00:04:37,925 --> 00:04:39,740 Yeah, I was gonna say, I don't really use Model Builder. 97 00:04:40,775 --> 00:04:41,675 On the desktop. 98 00:04:41,765 --> 00:04:45,665 So I'm not gonna worry too much about using model Builder in this 99 00:04:45,695 --> 00:04:49,085 because most of the things I do, I spend more time doing one-offs as 100 00:04:49,085 --> 00:04:51,785 opposed to repetitious things so 101 00:04:51,815 --> 00:04:55,145 well, and on top of that, if you, if you're in the category of, of user 102 00:04:55,145 --> 00:04:59,885 that's in the low code, no code sort of mindset, it's a really cool product. 103 00:04:59,915 --> 00:05:02,225 But if you're in the category of user that's used to just 104 00:05:02,345 --> 00:05:04,115 hammering out the code, it's. 105 00:05:05,165 --> 00:05:08,825 It's more important that they updated Arc Pi and others in Notebook? 106 00:05:08,885 --> 00:05:09,185 Yes. 107 00:05:09,605 --> 00:05:10,145 Yes. 108 00:05:10,145 --> 00:05:13,985 Because sometimes it's just easier to write the Dogg on code yourself than 109 00:05:13,985 --> 00:05:15,995 to futz around with Model Builder. 110 00:05:16,025 --> 00:05:19,385 'cause there's limitations, a model builder that don't exist in code. 111 00:05:19,835 --> 00:05:22,145 So that's always been my problem. 112 00:05:22,145 --> 00:05:22,715 Model builder. 113 00:05:22,745 --> 00:05:23,555 I'm like, cool toy. 114 00:05:23,585 --> 00:05:25,385 Lemme go get some real work done over here with Ark Pi. 115 00:05:25,895 --> 00:05:29,045 Next up, Google brings historical street view to Google Earth. 116 00:05:29,045 --> 00:05:30,260 And so if you are. 117 00:05:31,100 --> 00:05:33,650 In Google Earth, and I think this is desktop or, or 118 00:05:33,710 --> 00:05:35,180 online, I only checked online. 119 00:05:35,730 --> 00:05:40,980 And you go to a certain location that has street view loc photos, and in the 120 00:05:40,980 --> 00:05:47,820 upper bar you can click on other images and that'll show you historic images. 121 00:05:47,820 --> 00:05:51,660 So if you have a location that's captured fairly often, you'll see multiple 122 00:05:51,660 --> 00:05:53,620 time slices that you can look at. 123 00:05:53,620 --> 00:05:56,380 If it's ones that have just been captured a couple of times, like the one I I 124 00:05:56,380 --> 00:05:58,150 grabbed right before we were recording. 125 00:05:58,525 --> 00:06:01,555 You can still see, so for instance, it was 2024 and 2021 126 00:06:01,555 --> 00:06:03,115 in this fairly new neighborhood. 127 00:06:03,685 --> 00:06:04,015 So yeah. 128 00:06:04,915 --> 00:06:08,555 Well, and I think it should be mentioned that the reason why they're releasing 129 00:06:08,555 --> 00:06:12,995 it now is in celebration of the 20th anniversary of Google Earth right now. 130 00:06:12,995 --> 00:06:16,355 So we're coming up on the 20th anniversary of all these things 131 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:19,745 from the heady days of June, 2005. 132 00:06:19,745 --> 00:06:20,075 Right? 133 00:06:20,795 --> 00:06:25,435 Not, I suppose least of which would be the, the, very special podcast, right. 134 00:06:25,555 --> 00:06:26,185 June, July. 135 00:06:26,185 --> 00:06:26,490 Well, that's July. 136 00:06:27,055 --> 00:06:27,235 Yeah. 137 00:06:27,235 --> 00:06:30,145 Well we was talking about it in June, but anyway, the, it's weird 138 00:06:30,145 --> 00:06:35,185 like this, all these things are, are coming around now, 20 years and so, 139 00:06:35,485 --> 00:06:39,655 so this is just so as they noted, like it different articles about it. 140 00:06:39,655 --> 00:06:39,895 Right. 141 00:06:39,895 --> 00:06:44,035 It's partially to celebrate that, that that's how we're seeing the imagery. 142 00:06:44,065 --> 00:06:44,455 So 143 00:06:44,905 --> 00:06:47,185 it's cool, but also it's not like we haven't been asking 144 00:06:47,185 --> 00:06:49,705 for it for 20 years, Google. 145 00:06:50,275 --> 00:06:53,185 Well there have been various, like little projects and pieces. 146 00:06:53,770 --> 00:06:54,280 But yeah. 147 00:06:54,550 --> 00:06:55,510 That other people have done. 148 00:06:55,750 --> 00:06:57,730 Yes, that have been visible in it. 149 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:02,170 Yes, but not done by next up in some remote sensing news. 150 00:07:02,170 --> 00:07:02,890 We got bad news. 151 00:07:02,890 --> 00:07:03,340 Good news. 152 00:07:03,340 --> 00:07:04,810 So bad news first. 153 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:08,710 And that is that methane sat, so I don't remember if we talked about this 154 00:07:08,710 --> 00:07:12,540 last year when it launched, but this was a project to create a satellite 155 00:07:12,540 --> 00:07:14,250 that would monitor methane emissions. 156 00:07:14,250 --> 00:07:19,740 So looking at, you know, climate change issues and IT law launched March, 2024. 157 00:07:19,740 --> 00:07:20,760 So made it a year. 158 00:07:21,930 --> 00:07:27,850 And unfortunately not too long ago, I think it was a couple weeks ago, like 159 00:07:27,850 --> 00:07:32,000 our recording time they lost contact with it, so communications lost, 160 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:33,170 and then after some investigation. 161 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:37,470 They think that the power has been lost and the satellite might be lost. 162 00:07:37,470 --> 00:07:41,830 So prior to that, over six, eight months, whatever we've been seeing some really 163 00:07:41,830 --> 00:07:43,360 interesting data from methane sat. 164 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:47,070 So proof of concept, I guess mission was successful in that sense, but they 165 00:07:47,070 --> 00:07:50,880 were actually able to look at methane emissions and get them right down to 166 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:54,810 specific areas, and they had target areas that they were looking at, so it wasn't. 167 00:07:54,975 --> 00:07:56,385 Available for the whole globe. 168 00:07:56,925 --> 00:08:00,325 But just an example of when you get put all these things together and there 169 00:08:00,325 --> 00:08:02,875 was some, some really big partners that were involved in getting this 170 00:08:02,875 --> 00:08:04,745 done and getting the satellite built. 171 00:08:05,435 --> 00:08:09,515 That when we try to look at how can we understand where, where things are 172 00:08:09,515 --> 00:08:12,985 coming from that are contributing to you know, greenhouse gas emissions, 173 00:08:12,990 --> 00:08:17,615 stuff like that we do have a technology and so hopefully they'll be able to. 174 00:08:18,155 --> 00:08:20,495 You know, move this project forward or something like it 175 00:08:20,685 --> 00:08:22,005 to get something back up there. 176 00:08:22,245 --> 00:08:25,905 Now they are running some diagnostics and never trying to communicate with it. 177 00:08:25,905 --> 00:08:29,505 So I guess there's possibility that a miracle it will come 178 00:08:29,505 --> 00:08:31,005 back, but it's not likely. 179 00:08:31,005 --> 00:08:33,705 So I think that they've recognized the loss. 180 00:08:34,455 --> 00:08:38,055 Let's note that that was actually funded by Jeff Bezos of Amazon Fame. 181 00:08:38,255 --> 00:08:38,795 Hand trickle. 182 00:08:38,795 --> 00:08:38,915 I don't 183 00:08:38,975 --> 00:08:39,485 remember. 184 00:08:40,175 --> 00:08:42,965 Well, yeah, the, but the point is, is that we're talking about 185 00:08:42,965 --> 00:08:43,835 people who have some deep. 186 00:08:44,225 --> 00:08:45,755 Deep, deep, deep, deep, deep pockets. 187 00:08:46,125 --> 00:08:51,065 So it, I would hope that even if they can't get it back online, they 188 00:08:51,065 --> 00:08:57,005 have the, the founders, the funders would recognize the utility of the 189 00:08:57,005 --> 00:09:01,775 importance of this and, and get methane two up and running sooner than later. 190 00:09:02,825 --> 00:09:05,525 And of course, the Operator's Environmental Defense Fund, 191 00:09:05,975 --> 00:09:06,395 yes. 192 00:09:06,995 --> 00:09:10,505 So, and if you wanna see the site's still up and you could see some of 193 00:09:10,505 --> 00:09:11,885 the data they actually did release. 194 00:09:11,885 --> 00:09:12,725 I mean, it's really interesting. 195 00:09:12,725 --> 00:09:16,540 I mean, it could pinpoint like sources in, in a couple of, you 196 00:09:16,540 --> 00:09:20,170 know, test areas, including one related to oil and gas industry in 197 00:09:20,170 --> 00:09:21,610 Texas, I think, and a couple others. 198 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:22,090 So 199 00:09:22,090 --> 00:09:23,415 methane sat.org? 200 00:09:23,950 --> 00:09:24,310 Yes. 201 00:09:25,090 --> 00:09:25,900 I think it's methane. 202 00:09:26,050 --> 00:09:27,550 SAT explorer, I think is the tool. 203 00:09:27,850 --> 00:09:28,810 So yes, that's 204 00:09:28,810 --> 00:09:29,375 the site. 205 00:09:30,595 --> 00:09:31,105 All right. 206 00:09:31,135 --> 00:09:35,195 So on a more positive note a satellite that was launched by the European 207 00:09:35,195 --> 00:09:36,875 Space Agency back at the end of April. 208 00:09:36,875 --> 00:09:40,085 And of course, as you remember from all the years of us reporting on these, 209 00:09:40,090 --> 00:09:42,965 that that satellites, once they're lost, they have to go through commissioning. 210 00:09:43,325 --> 00:09:46,385 They run tests and stuff, and then they usually release some preview data. 211 00:09:46,745 --> 00:09:48,605 And that's the stage where we're at with this satellite, which 212 00:09:48,605 --> 00:09:53,205 is biomass, which is part of esa Earth Explorer series of missions. 213 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:56,840 And they've now been releasing the first images. 214 00:09:56,840 --> 00:10:00,710 So at Living Planet Symposium, which was a recent event, and it got picked 215 00:10:00,710 --> 00:10:02,360 up by major news organizations. 216 00:10:02,670 --> 00:10:06,590 Essentially biomass is using side synthetic aperture radar. 217 00:10:06,590 --> 00:10:09,570 So it's a radar sensor and it allows you to get down 218 00:10:09,570 --> 00:10:11,580 through clouds to actually see. 219 00:10:11,985 --> 00:10:12,705 The biomass, right? 220 00:10:12,705 --> 00:10:14,355 The forest floors, the forests. 221 00:10:14,745 --> 00:10:18,135 And so the hope is that eventually they'll have a 3D map of earth forest. 222 00:10:18,135 --> 00:10:21,165 But the first, the first imagery is, is really nice. 223 00:10:21,165 --> 00:10:24,005 So it's according to ESA, it's the first satellite to carry a 224 00:10:24,005 --> 00:10:27,355 PB band synthetic capture radar here into the, the techie stuff. 225 00:10:27,725 --> 00:10:31,635 But the first image is that they did share are pretty impressive. 226 00:10:31,635 --> 00:10:35,155 So and when you look at them, of course, they're processed images that represent. 227 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:39,750 The radar data having been processed, color added and stuff like that. 228 00:10:39,750 --> 00:10:41,430 But but yeah, pretty cool. 229 00:10:43,890 --> 00:10:47,500 I have a soft spot in my heart for SAR data because the first professional 230 00:10:47,500 --> 00:10:49,480 job I had was working with SAR data. 231 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:49,840 So, 232 00:10:50,470 --> 00:10:55,560 and one more earth observation piece of news tempo, which is the Tropospheric 233 00:10:55,740 --> 00:10:58,830 emissions monitoring of pollution mission. 234 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:00,910 Has been extended. 235 00:11:00,910 --> 00:11:03,960 So it was originally supposed to end in 2025, June. 236 00:11:04,390 --> 00:11:07,180 And it has been extended through September, 2026. 237 00:11:07,180 --> 00:11:10,840 So this one and a half year project has been extended to become a 238 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:11,740 two and a half year project. 239 00:11:11,740 --> 00:11:12,010 Hopefully. 240 00:11:12,010 --> 00:11:17,140 Of course, the sensor continues and the thing continues to, to go longer. 241 00:11:17,140 --> 00:11:17,350 Yes, that's 242 00:11:17,350 --> 00:11:17,740 another one. 243 00:11:17,740 --> 00:11:18,910 Pollution, air quality. 244 00:11:18,910 --> 00:11:21,580 So that's what's been being monitored there. 245 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:22,985 Yeah, and that's one of NASA's. 246 00:11:26,935 --> 00:11:30,055 Yeah, we have a lot of different things going on with Earth observation 247 00:11:30,175 --> 00:11:32,185 data, both positive and negative, 248 00:11:34,495 --> 00:11:38,095 and we can talk about how processing is happening as well. 249 00:11:38,935 --> 00:11:42,585 So the folks over at EagleView who I don't know, did I interview 250 00:11:42,585 --> 00:11:45,225 them for the North Carolina? 251 00:11:45,225 --> 00:11:45,435 I think so. 252 00:11:45,435 --> 00:11:46,845 GIS conference, I think I did. 253 00:11:48,135 --> 00:11:48,465 I don't know. 254 00:11:49,470 --> 00:11:54,150 We've interviewed so many people that I've, I've after 19.9 years, just 255 00:11:54,150 --> 00:11:55,890 like who who, who was it this time? 256 00:11:55,990 --> 00:12:00,820 But Eagle V one has been released and this is their new platform for 257 00:12:00,820 --> 00:12:06,870 basically putting everything into it, using AI models to get data out of this. 258 00:12:06,930 --> 00:12:09,620 And of course allowing their. 259 00:12:10,705 --> 00:12:14,765 Partners and clients to be able to access data more quickly. 260 00:12:15,215 --> 00:12:18,385 So it's it looks like an interesting solution. 261 00:12:18,385 --> 00:12:21,595 So if you are looking for something where you know, it's kind of a 262 00:12:21,595 --> 00:12:25,225 prepackaged solution, it's something you might wanna look at, especially 263 00:12:25,225 --> 00:12:29,735 for structures and those type of things that EagleView has been very much 264 00:12:29,735 --> 00:12:31,265 focusing on over the last few years. 265 00:12:35,820 --> 00:12:36,995 And that's it for the news 266 00:12:44,435 --> 00:12:44,975 inside 267 00:12:51,380 --> 00:12:52,595 in the web corner. 268 00:12:53,115 --> 00:12:56,865 The E-G-N-S-S Center for Excellence out of the eu. 269 00:12:57,280 --> 00:13:02,350 Has a new website that is focused on understanding, positioning and timing, 270 00:13:02,380 --> 00:13:09,680 sorry, positioning and timing as well as the impacts negative largely that we're 271 00:13:09,680 --> 00:13:13,970 seeing right now, especially with a lot of the conflict going on two GNSS signals. 272 00:13:14,660 --> 00:13:18,200 And so if you go over to portal, sorry, PNT portal.eu. 273 00:13:19,670 --> 00:13:21,830 You can find out a lot of different information. 274 00:13:21,830 --> 00:13:25,680 They have resources about understanding GNSS, looking at 275 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:31,320 current impacts on GNSS, kind of some of the ideas of where we're going. 276 00:13:32,310 --> 00:13:37,530 Everything from ground signals to quantum physics in terms of 277 00:13:38,410 --> 00:13:40,930 backup systems for GNSS and PNT. 278 00:13:41,410 --> 00:13:45,370 So, yeah, it's an interesting site that you might wanna take a look at. 279 00:13:47,785 --> 00:13:50,695 They have a really nice resilience assessment that you can go through 280 00:13:50,695 --> 00:13:54,865 to assess your own vulnerability to GNSS interference for, you 281 00:13:54,865 --> 00:13:58,140 know, your organization or yourself if you work with it 282 00:14:03,970 --> 00:14:10,020 dark here inside my heart distance from the. 283 00:14:12,785 --> 00:14:16,045 This weekend, the topic in celebration of the Ezra uc, the 284 00:14:16,045 --> 00:14:23,035 2025 Ezra uc, which is going to start on July 16th, I think it is. 285 00:14:23,305 --> 00:14:23,725 14th. 286 00:14:23,725 --> 00:14:28,170 14th, July 14th, which is Monday upcoming from when we, we've filmed this episode. 287 00:14:28,380 --> 00:14:29,250 Record this episode. 288 00:14:29,910 --> 00:14:32,310 I thought it'd be nice to talk a little bit about ucs of the past that we've 289 00:14:32,310 --> 00:14:36,310 been to, and some things we've learned give some just general advice for anyone 290 00:14:36,310 --> 00:14:40,270 going and, and some things that are changing, at least for me, for the uc 291 00:14:40,270 --> 00:14:42,430 this year, as opposed to in the past. 292 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:43,210 Hmm. 293 00:14:43,750 --> 00:14:47,440 I, I do want to give a caveat on this one that it's been probably 294 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:50,050 15 years since we've been to a uc. 295 00:14:50,740 --> 00:14:53,590 However, we can talk about a few things that aren't dated. 296 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:55,230 Like every uc. 297 00:14:55,290 --> 00:14:56,190 Every uc, since. 298 00:14:57,750 --> 00:15:02,930 I'm assuming like the second or third it's taking, well, early on it's 299 00:15:02,930 --> 00:15:08,090 taking place in San Diego, so the location hasn't changed whatsoever. 300 00:15:08,150 --> 00:15:13,070 The international uc has been there since, for a very, very long time. 301 00:15:13,070 --> 00:15:13,640 Time after they 302 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:14,900 were at Palm Springs? 303 00:15:15,860 --> 00:15:16,160 Yeah. 304 00:15:16,610 --> 00:15:16,850 Yeah. 305 00:15:16,850 --> 00:15:19,070 I, I, first end number, they were at 306 00:15:21,095 --> 00:15:22,820 Palms and then they moved to San Diego. 307 00:15:23,130 --> 00:15:25,080 San Diego is a lovely place to be. 308 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:28,005 I. I've never been there in January, but I'm gonna go ahead and go on a 309 00:15:28,005 --> 00:15:32,295 limb and guess it's 11 place to be year round at least where the uc is located 310 00:15:32,295 --> 00:15:35,325 at in the just off the coast there. 311 00:15:37,305 --> 00:15:41,665 The other thing that is that has been true of the uc for a really long time 312 00:15:41,665 --> 00:15:46,615 now is that the San Diego Convention Center where it's housed is very big. 313 00:15:46,835 --> 00:15:49,625 And it's designed specifically to have multiple conferences 314 00:15:49,625 --> 00:15:50,885 running simultaneously. 315 00:15:51,225 --> 00:15:53,175 There are only two conferences where that is not true. 316 00:15:53,205 --> 00:15:57,055 One is the much faulted and celebrated Comic-Con that 317 00:15:57,055 --> 00:15:58,225 takes up the entire building. 318 00:15:58,465 --> 00:16:00,175 The other one is the Ezra uc. 319 00:16:00,205 --> 00:16:03,385 It takes up the entire building, which is pretty impressive. 320 00:16:03,415 --> 00:16:10,555 To have that much GIS under one more or less one roof for almost a whole week. 321 00:16:11,095 --> 00:16:13,885 It's actually even more than one roof because since they've added 322 00:16:13,885 --> 00:16:17,345 the virtual component I've been attending, you know, virtually, well, 323 00:16:17,345 --> 00:16:17,945 we'll get to that. 324 00:16:18,005 --> 00:16:18,035 Okay. 325 00:16:18,035 --> 00:16:18,875 I wanna get to the virtual. 326 00:16:18,875 --> 00:16:22,265 That's the stuff that's changed, but if you're physically located there, that, 327 00:16:22,655 --> 00:16:26,305 but it has spilled out to some of the hotels on either side of it as well. 328 00:16:26,305 --> 00:16:28,645 So you're right, it is under technically more than one roof. 329 00:16:29,335 --> 00:16:34,405 So my first big tip then for anyone going to the uc is that if you're going there, 330 00:16:34,405 --> 00:16:39,775 you're gonna walk a lot and wear footwear. 331 00:16:39,775 --> 00:16:43,195 That allows you to walk a lot. 332 00:16:43,645 --> 00:16:44,545 I mean, a lot. 333 00:16:44,545 --> 00:16:47,695 I think I walk more at the uc than I do anywhere else ever 334 00:16:48,685 --> 00:16:49,825 and allow travel time. 335 00:16:51,205 --> 00:16:54,830 So, so you know, if you're gonna go to sessions and they can be. 336 00:16:55,670 --> 00:16:57,740 You know, one in the sales civilian area, right? 337 00:16:57,740 --> 00:17:00,110 Or if you're doing the, the map gallery, whatever, I'm assuming 338 00:17:00,110 --> 00:17:02,990 it's still there and then you have to run off to one of the rooms. 339 00:17:03,350 --> 00:17:05,330 It's not like a, oh, I got five more minutes. 340 00:17:05,360 --> 00:17:05,840 No, you don't. 341 00:17:07,610 --> 00:17:08,120 No you don't. 342 00:17:08,180 --> 00:17:10,100 'cause yeah, it's a long way. 343 00:17:10,100 --> 00:17:10,880 Like a lot of times, 344 00:17:12,620 --> 00:17:16,610 and of course as soon as you're out of sessions or between sessions 345 00:17:16,610 --> 00:17:19,650 as you're going to lunch a lot of times you're gonna be going outside 346 00:17:19,650 --> 00:17:21,780 into the guest lamp district, so. 347 00:17:22,180 --> 00:17:27,310 You're just as likely to be walking 5, 10, 15 blocks to your restaurant and 348 00:17:27,310 --> 00:17:29,920 back in the middle of your day as well. 349 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:35,980 So it's not just in the, the use the conference center, it's also outside. 350 00:17:36,670 --> 00:17:37,000 Yeah. 351 00:17:37,090 --> 00:17:41,120 And something they don't really talk about that much is it's a slow uphill. 352 00:17:41,930 --> 00:17:45,770 If you go into the gas lamp, you're going slightly uphill now compared 353 00:17:45,770 --> 00:17:48,800 to West Virginia, it's not really, but after about three or four blocks, 354 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:50,420 you go, there's a bit of a hill here. 355 00:17:51,140 --> 00:17:55,850 Or if you're like those of us in west, in South Carolina currently where we don't 356 00:17:55,850 --> 00:17:58,400 have hills anymore, it it's noticeable. 357 00:17:58,850 --> 00:17:59,210 Yes. 358 00:17:59,210 --> 00:18:02,810 Like you can't, you can't prep by, by walking up hills. 359 00:18:02,810 --> 00:18:04,670 I to go to various things because it's all flat here. 360 00:18:06,335 --> 00:18:08,045 So there's a lot of walking. 361 00:18:08,285 --> 00:18:12,885 And the thing that I, I particularly any students who are listening to this or 362 00:18:12,885 --> 00:18:17,505 anyone who may be, you know, interested in, in talking to vendors or talking to 363 00:18:17,535 --> 00:18:21,275 Esri, whoever it may be about potential employment opportunities, you wanna 364 00:18:21,275 --> 00:18:23,045 dress nice, that's understandable. 365 00:18:23,105 --> 00:18:26,195 You wanna put on a good impression, wear comfortable shoes. 366 00:18:27,425 --> 00:18:30,035 The nice dress shoes that you wear to an interview are not 367 00:18:30,215 --> 00:18:32,435 the shoes to be wearing walking. 368 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:36,560 That much unless, unless you just really hate yourself for some reason, 369 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:40,160 because it would be, even with comfortable shoes, you get wore out. 370 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:44,210 So make sure you have a set of shoes that are very, that are very 371 00:18:44,210 --> 00:18:48,590 nice for walking if you have to carry the nice shoes and change I. 372 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:54,420 I, I would also say along with that I know that, you know, we need 373 00:18:54,420 --> 00:18:57,510 special, any conference, we go to special backpacks for all the gear. 374 00:18:57,790 --> 00:19:01,510 But, you know, practice packing and unpacking what you're gonna carry, 375 00:19:01,510 --> 00:19:04,860 if you're gonna carry any equipment with you but also, you know, have 376 00:19:04,860 --> 00:19:06,030 a notebook to write things down. 377 00:19:06,030 --> 00:19:09,880 A lot of times people aren't carrying any business cards, but you know. 378 00:19:10,795 --> 00:19:12,895 Have a way to, to share your information. 379 00:19:12,925 --> 00:19:16,765 'cause a lot of what you get out of the uc are those conversations in the 380 00:19:16,765 --> 00:19:20,665 hallway and with vendors and with people at booths and, and making those types of 381 00:19:20,665 --> 00:19:24,895 connections where you, you know, wanna be able to quickly add something to your 382 00:19:24,895 --> 00:19:27,535 phone or a notebook to keep in touch. 383 00:19:30,540 --> 00:19:33,205 A lot of NFC options, so you can put your information onto 384 00:19:33,205 --> 00:19:37,675 an NFC card, ring, whatever, and just tap between your devices. 385 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:39,940 Space age. 386 00:19:41,380 --> 00:19:44,080 It also helps to really plan out your, your days a bit. 387 00:19:44,140 --> 00:19:48,040 I know it's kind of tedious, it's just fun to go and sort of see, but there 388 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:51,880 is a lot going on and there's really, to my mind, I don't know what you guys 389 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:54,970 think, but to my mind there's really two conferences happening simultaneously. 390 00:19:55,480 --> 00:20:00,490 One is Esri's conference about this is the cool stuff you can do with 391 00:20:00,490 --> 00:20:05,500 our software, which is really P Vow, really valuable and powerful. 392 00:20:06,490 --> 00:20:07,690 Particularly if you've hit problems. 393 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:10,510 'cause you can oftentimes talk to the person who actually wrote the stupid 394 00:20:10,510 --> 00:20:12,340 thing and ask How does this work? 395 00:20:12,580 --> 00:20:13,390 That's a great one. 396 00:20:13,390 --> 00:20:17,230 But there's also a lot of really wonderful sessions that are being put out by actual 397 00:20:17,230 --> 00:20:23,530 users who are doing this and who you know are saying, look, I know what the software 398 00:20:23,530 --> 00:20:26,740 says it can do and I know what the ad, the sales ad says it can do, but this is 399 00:20:26,740 --> 00:20:28,480 what we found trying to actually do it. 400 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:32,500 And that could be some ways more valuable and experience 401 00:20:32,650 --> 00:20:34,660 those bit of conference stuff. 402 00:20:34,660 --> 00:20:34,960 So. 403 00:20:35,845 --> 00:20:38,605 To, along with what Sue has talked about, the, the, there's a lot of 404 00:20:38,605 --> 00:20:40,735 spatial disjoint between these sessions. 405 00:20:40,735 --> 00:20:45,265 It is very helpful to start thinking about how do I want to think about my days? 406 00:20:45,265 --> 00:20:48,025 Do I want to focus on the Esri based materials? 407 00:20:48,025 --> 00:20:49,855 I wanna focus on what the users are doing. 408 00:20:50,185 --> 00:20:51,025 Do I wanna split it up? 409 00:20:51,715 --> 00:20:54,535 It, it's, it can really help you get the most outta your experience. 410 00:20:54,715 --> 00:20:55,465 You're gonna mix it. 411 00:20:55,470 --> 00:20:55,795 Come on. 412 00:20:56,965 --> 00:20:57,775 Well, you wanna mix, but. 413 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:03,550 You know, sometimes one's in one section of the building and another 414 00:21:03,550 --> 00:21:05,800 one's in another section of the building and there's a lot of running. 415 00:21:06,070 --> 00:21:07,780 It's worth thinking it through. 416 00:21:08,230 --> 00:21:08,380 Yeah. 417 00:21:08,380 --> 00:21:11,380 And to add to that, if you're somebody who's also gonna be doing your job 418 00:21:11,380 --> 00:21:15,450 while you're there it helps to find a quiet spot that you claim for 419 00:21:15,450 --> 00:21:20,160 yourself and pick a certain time and just sort of time block that time off 420 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:22,680 for whatever official job you've got. 421 00:21:22,725 --> 00:21:25,935 So that you can touch in without having to leave and go somewhere else. 422 00:21:25,935 --> 00:21:28,455 Just, you know, there are a lot of quiet places you can find and just 423 00:21:28,455 --> 00:21:32,295 go there every day of the uc and go, okay, this is my work time. 424 00:21:32,515 --> 00:21:36,205 I found that better than trying to answer emails and do uc stuff. 425 00:21:36,205 --> 00:21:40,225 You sort of wanna, you know, separate the two if you can. 426 00:21:40,765 --> 00:21:41,035 Okay. 427 00:21:41,095 --> 00:21:42,595 Going back to what Frank was saying. 428 00:21:43,510 --> 00:21:45,970 I mean, you, you have this whole schedule is all available. 429 00:21:45,970 --> 00:21:47,590 It has been available for a while now. 430 00:21:47,860 --> 00:21:50,110 If you haven't already looked at this, the calendar and figured 431 00:21:50,110 --> 00:21:51,010 out where you want to go. 432 00:21:51,380 --> 00:21:56,330 The thing with the not Esri sessions are, there are a lot that are in your 433 00:21:56,330 --> 00:21:59,540 industry, so you don't have to worry about it being software specific. 434 00:21:59,540 --> 00:22:03,800 It can be something that's specific to how you do your daily job. 435 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:06,450 So yeah, focus on, on those as well. 436 00:22:07,260 --> 00:22:09,900 And I would note that might be different for those of you out there that are 437 00:22:09,900 --> 00:22:13,600 in the education community, either academics, yourselves or students, 438 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:15,160 that this is a professional conference. 439 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:19,240 I mean, there's, there's academic elements to it, but it's much more, 440 00:22:19,540 --> 00:22:21,220 a lot of the sessions are much more. 441 00:22:23,145 --> 00:22:24,135 This is a experience 442 00:22:24,135 --> 00:22:26,385 convention, not a, it's actually a convention. 443 00:22:26,385 --> 00:22:27,345 It's, it's less, yeah. 444 00:22:27,405 --> 00:22:28,815 Conference and more convention. 445 00:22:28,815 --> 00:22:28,875 Yeah. 446 00:22:28,935 --> 00:22:30,075 So, and there is that, right? 447 00:22:30,075 --> 00:22:33,285 But it's like if you're used to going to, to conferences where a lot of papers 448 00:22:33,285 --> 00:22:36,955 are about, Hey, this is this little, you know, this little, part of this 449 00:22:36,955 --> 00:22:40,045 subdiscipline and this, you know, set of theories and that, and, and things 450 00:22:40,045 --> 00:22:43,585 like case study are like just mentioned a little briefly in these papers. 451 00:22:43,585 --> 00:22:47,035 Like a lot of the, the presentations you'll see at the Ezra you see are 452 00:22:47,035 --> 00:22:48,745 actually, this is how I did this, right? 453 00:22:48,745 --> 00:22:52,945 I'm the city of so and so and this is how we implemented online mapping to report, 454 00:22:52,945 --> 00:22:54,715 you know, graffiti violations or whatever. 455 00:22:55,115 --> 00:22:58,275 And so it's interesting there 'cause you can get a lot more, 456 00:22:58,275 --> 00:22:59,595 this is actually how I did it. 457 00:23:00,360 --> 00:23:03,750 And the question and answer for that is, I, I thought those sessions were 458 00:23:03,750 --> 00:23:05,940 the most, the most enlightening, right? 459 00:23:05,940 --> 00:23:10,920 And different than when I, the first time, time or two that we went to the uc. 460 00:23:11,190 --> 00:23:15,150 Those I think, were the most different, like in terms of, of the material and 461 00:23:15,180 --> 00:23:16,770 the kind of interaction afterward. 462 00:23:18,450 --> 00:23:21,440 I think a lot of that has to do with the fact that for the most part, 463 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:25,370 most of the attendees are paying a lot of money to go just be there. 464 00:23:25,710 --> 00:23:28,560 If you're in education, you, you know, oftentimes you'll get a free pass of 465 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:34,320 some sort or access to a greatly reduced pass, but most of those attendees, 466 00:23:34,380 --> 00:23:38,045 particularly in industry, are paying a lot of money and they don't hold back. 467 00:23:38,675 --> 00:23:42,005 Really on letting you know where the problems are and where the issues are, 468 00:23:42,395 --> 00:23:46,415 and that I think is, like I said, is gonna be the most valuable piece of this. 469 00:23:46,415 --> 00:23:48,065 This, yeah, we tried that, but it sucks. 470 00:23:48,395 --> 00:23:50,345 Or you know, we tried that and it just didn't work. 471 00:23:50,855 --> 00:23:53,555 You get a lot of that type of interaction, which can be really 472 00:23:53,555 --> 00:23:58,750 helpful for understanding when you're trying to do something. 473 00:23:59,075 --> 00:23:59,585 You know what? 474 00:23:59,585 --> 00:24:02,315 Avenues are gonna be a lot more work than other avenues. 475 00:24:02,375 --> 00:24:05,795 Maybe go certain directions outta the gate and save yourself some time and energy. 476 00:24:07,295 --> 00:24:09,815 And I think you very briefly touched on it earlier, Frank, too. 477 00:24:09,815 --> 00:24:12,985 One of the things if you go out into the vast exhibit space, and, and I 478 00:24:12,985 --> 00:24:16,165 think, I'm not sure if you can do appointments, but you can actually 479 00:24:16,165 --> 00:24:18,325 get access to the various teams. 480 00:24:18,655 --> 00:24:22,555 So one of the, the things that you can do is, you know, I'd like to talk about 481 00:24:23,425 --> 00:24:27,725 my GIS set up or this question I have and, and you know, you can get that which 482 00:24:27,725 --> 00:24:30,485 I always thought again was something I didn't realize till we were walking by. 483 00:24:30,950 --> 00:24:32,870 And we were talking to, to various people. 484 00:24:32,870 --> 00:24:36,530 So we were talking to the arc scene people one time, you know, things like that. 485 00:24:36,530 --> 00:24:39,300 But just telling how old it is arc scene. 486 00:24:39,330 --> 00:24:42,760 But anyway I think that's something that maybe people don't realize that 487 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:47,230 are coming for the first time or, you know, they expect a little bit more 488 00:24:48,220 --> 00:24:49,895 of a usual conferencing experience. 489 00:24:50,050 --> 00:24:52,360 Don't realize, hey, there's, there's again, also this interaction. 490 00:24:52,360 --> 00:24:55,930 So when you do your planning as far, you know, Barb, others are saying, you 491 00:24:55,930 --> 00:24:59,260 know, scheduling, there might be these types of things that you can build into. 492 00:24:59,890 --> 00:25:00,100 Right. 493 00:25:00,100 --> 00:25:01,420 To really get the most out. 494 00:25:01,420 --> 00:25:05,080 I think of all the conferences that we go to or have gone to back 495 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:08,090 in the day this was the one where you packed the most stuff in. 496 00:25:09,470 --> 00:25:15,340 It is, and I, I think, and we've been to both the, the uc and the Comic-Con, 497 00:25:15,340 --> 00:25:22,030 and it's amazing that yes, the uc U uses a little bit less of the, 498 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:27,400 of the floor for its vendor hall. 499 00:25:27,955 --> 00:25:30,745 Then Comic-Con does, but just a little bit. 500 00:25:31,615 --> 00:25:36,625 It's like one small section difference and that, and you know, it's been 15 years. 501 00:25:36,625 --> 00:25:37,915 It might not even be that anymore. 502 00:25:37,915 --> 00:25:38,335 They may. 503 00:25:38,740 --> 00:25:40,120 Be the same size at this point. 504 00:25:40,660 --> 00:25:45,550 And there's that many, yeah, there's, you know, a good portion of it is Esri 505 00:25:45,550 --> 00:25:49,360 in the middle, but all the way around you have people from different industries, 506 00:25:49,360 --> 00:25:50,770 from different types of technologies. 507 00:25:50,770 --> 00:25:55,980 You have traditionally kind of those groups that are on kind of the edge, 508 00:25:55,980 --> 00:25:59,850 kind of set over to one, literally on the edge, but figuratively on 509 00:25:59,850 --> 00:26:01,320 the edge of technology as well. 510 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,690 So yeah, you have lots of different people that you can go and talk to and 511 00:26:04,690 --> 00:26:08,830 see, not just what you're using day to day, but what other things might be 512 00:26:08,830 --> 00:26:12,970 out there and talk to people to, you know, get a sense of what other tools 513 00:26:12,970 --> 00:26:18,250 might be out there, but also tools that are in what you already have access 514 00:26:18,250 --> 00:26:19,780 to that you just may not be aware of. 515 00:26:21,980 --> 00:26:25,265 I mean, it's a great opportunity to physically touch everything, to, to 516 00:26:25,265 --> 00:26:30,335 literally go and handle and see things that normally you would only be reading 517 00:26:30,335 --> 00:26:32,585 about in the trade journals or online. 518 00:26:32,955 --> 00:26:35,835 But to, to actually get that many vendors in one space. 519 00:26:37,995 --> 00:26:43,035 I'm, I wanna jump to probably, I think my single favorite thing at the uc. 520 00:26:43,875 --> 00:26:47,175 Because it's not something that, it's obvious once you hear it, but 521 00:26:47,205 --> 00:26:50,565 it's not something that you think about normally is it's gonna be the 522 00:26:50,565 --> 00:26:55,875 greatest location to get, interact, to interact with and see the most. 523 00:26:56,220 --> 00:27:00,690 Cardiographic representations, diversity and breadth and depths that 524 00:27:00,690 --> 00:27:02,580 you'll ever experience maybe ever. 525 00:27:02,910 --> 00:27:03,990 And that's the map gallery. 526 00:27:04,290 --> 00:27:07,080 The map gallery is one of those things that I think that a lot of times you 527 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:10,320 think, ah, whatever, I'm just gonna, I got too many other things to do. 528 00:27:10,650 --> 00:27:13,650 It's really worth taking time to go there. 529 00:27:13,710 --> 00:27:14,880 And Esri understands this. 530 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:19,230 They have a reception there on the first night I think it is, that you can go. 531 00:27:20,115 --> 00:27:23,895 I think almost everybody has a lot to go for free, and you can see the maps there. 532 00:27:23,895 --> 00:27:30,290 But really I have never found a place that was better at giving me a, a, a 533 00:27:30,295 --> 00:27:34,035 wealth of ideas in my cryptography of like, well, I never thought of doing 534 00:27:34,035 --> 00:27:37,395 that, or, oh, that's really kind of cool, or I wonder how they did that. 535 00:27:37,395 --> 00:27:39,615 The thing that's really kind of cool about the map reception is a 536 00:27:39,615 --> 00:27:41,475 lot of times you can talk to the people who actually made the map. 537 00:27:41,595 --> 00:27:44,475 They're usually are kind of there and you can say, well, 538 00:27:44,475 --> 00:27:45,705 how the heck did you do this? 539 00:27:45,705 --> 00:27:46,845 Or, where did you make that? 540 00:27:46,845 --> 00:27:47,625 And you'll find that. 541 00:27:48,345 --> 00:27:52,245 A lot of this stuff is using tools that are just outside of esri's tool set. 542 00:27:52,245 --> 00:27:54,555 You know, they go, yeah, we didn't here, but then we export it into 543 00:27:54,585 --> 00:27:59,205 Photoshop or, or Illustrator or whatever it may be, to try to touch it up. 544 00:27:59,565 --> 00:28:03,675 But it's, you know, when you're thinking about how to represent your geographic 545 00:28:03,675 --> 00:28:07,245 data and your information, the Map Gallery is so wonderful for that. 546 00:28:07,245 --> 00:28:08,115 There's lots of books. 547 00:28:08,115 --> 00:28:10,465 There's the book that gets put out every year, but just sing it 548 00:28:10,465 --> 00:28:12,775 in real on the wall is amazing. 549 00:28:13,075 --> 00:28:13,255 Yeah. 550 00:28:13,255 --> 00:28:15,215 So the map book includes. 551 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:19,000 Ones that were in the map gallery, and of course there's 552 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:20,350 a lot of interactive as well. 553 00:28:20,350 --> 00:28:24,830 So even the last couple of times we went, there were already a lot of interactive 554 00:28:25,580 --> 00:28:30,540 stations set up for people to go to different story maps or different web maps 555 00:28:30,540 --> 00:28:35,260 that were being built and also moving into those multidimensional spaces as well. 556 00:28:35,260 --> 00:28:38,650 So not just things like arc scene, but of course now we're talking about. 557 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:43,270 Web scenes and ArcGIS Pro and those type of 3D environments where you 558 00:28:43,270 --> 00:28:44,740 have a little bit more interactivity. 559 00:28:44,740 --> 00:28:49,660 So it's not just static maps, but also interactive displays as well. 560 00:28:52,315 --> 00:28:55,315 One of my favorite things is, you know, Frank talked about, you know, 561 00:28:55,375 --> 00:28:59,785 seeing so much of the cardiographic representation around you, but a lot of 562 00:28:59,785 --> 00:29:01,525 times, let's do spatial professionals. 563 00:29:01,525 --> 00:29:05,455 We talk about how people don't know what we do, but here we have this very 564 00:29:05,455 --> 00:29:10,235 large gathering of other people who really understand what you do and you 565 00:29:10,235 --> 00:29:14,135 have an opportunity to talk to them and in, you know, the language that 566 00:29:14,135 --> 00:29:15,965 everyone understands in our profession. 567 00:29:17,105 --> 00:29:17,645 But. 568 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:22,310 To counterpoint that also people who are doing things that are completely 569 00:29:22,310 --> 00:29:25,250 different from what you're doing and look at it completely different than you do. 570 00:29:25,970 --> 00:29:30,330 And so it gives you people to bounce different ideas around with as well. 571 00:29:30,330 --> 00:29:36,090 So you have that common language, but different perspectives. 572 00:29:36,330 --> 00:29:39,270 And so you're just getting, you know, the best of both worlds in that. 573 00:29:40,380 --> 00:29:40,590 Yeah. 574 00:29:40,590 --> 00:29:43,860 I think that you hit on the nail on the head when you talked about it being 575 00:29:43,860 --> 00:29:46,090 a, you know, professional conference. 576 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:50,350 This is, you know, professional people coming together to talk about the subject 577 00:29:50,350 --> 00:29:53,550 matter or this tool set or this approach. 578 00:29:54,975 --> 00:29:59,365 In a very intense way to solve real world problems. 579 00:29:59,365 --> 00:30:06,055 And it's such a great way to just, as Barbara and Jesse said, to, to talk 580 00:30:06,055 --> 00:30:08,875 to other professionals in the GIS realm, but also talk to people who 581 00:30:08,875 --> 00:30:12,505 are trying to utilize this in other contexts or other ways of thinking. 582 00:30:13,250 --> 00:30:14,780 To get new ideas. 583 00:30:14,810 --> 00:30:17,840 I mean, I've, I don't think I've ever come back from a uc, not super 584 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:21,440 energized about GIS and excited about the things that I can do. 585 00:30:21,470 --> 00:30:24,920 Coming back with new ideas now throughout the year, rubber hits the 586 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:28,220 road, reality sets in some of the stuff that's going on you can't implement. 587 00:30:28,220 --> 00:30:32,360 But having that in the back of your head is just such a energy boost. 588 00:30:32,390 --> 00:30:36,800 I think just to get you to think about the world a little differently, your 589 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:38,630 GIS profession a little differently. 590 00:30:40,765 --> 00:30:43,405 I always felt like it was partially public relations for 591 00:30:43,405 --> 00:30:45,565 GIS to make us feel really good. 592 00:30:45,565 --> 00:30:47,185 So we keep doing the work we're doing 593 00:30:48,955 --> 00:30:51,325 successful then, I mean, it is right. 594 00:30:51,325 --> 00:30:51,535 The energy. 595 00:30:51,535 --> 00:30:51,625 Yeah. 596 00:30:52,135 --> 00:30:52,290 Very successful. 597 00:30:52,295 --> 00:30:53,785 And it does, it makes you feel good. 598 00:30:54,085 --> 00:30:54,145 Yeah. 599 00:30:54,145 --> 00:30:57,325 That's the energy that, that that's there every time we were 600 00:30:57,325 --> 00:30:59,125 there and has continued on. 601 00:30:59,125 --> 00:30:59,395 Right. 602 00:30:59,395 --> 00:31:02,575 And, and people that we've talked to have gone, you know, af. 603 00:31:03,070 --> 00:31:06,730 In more recent events maybe where we hadn't been there, come back and they have 604 00:31:06,730 --> 00:31:08,470 the same, you know, like, it was amazing. 605 00:31:08,860 --> 00:31:10,060 It was crazy and it was amazing. 606 00:31:10,060 --> 00:31:13,090 So I think that's a, that's a plus. 607 00:31:13,090 --> 00:31:15,460 It's, it's, it's that nice validation. 608 00:31:16,150 --> 00:31:18,820 Well, and it goes back to what Barb was saying, and it, it's not about 609 00:31:18,820 --> 00:31:21,880 necessarily that it's as Esri and you're seeing what they're doing. 610 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:25,900 It's the fact that you, you have these other people that you're 611 00:31:25,900 --> 00:31:27,760 talking to in the hallways. 612 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:31,620 With that shared ideology, so, or language. 613 00:31:32,010 --> 00:31:37,380 So yeah, it's, it's, that I think really pushes people to be excited 614 00:31:37,380 --> 00:31:41,280 about it as, as much as any, well, perhaps more than the technology itself. 615 00:31:43,350 --> 00:31:45,240 So weird off question. 616 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:48,450 Is there any part of the uc that you would just skip, you 617 00:31:48,450 --> 00:31:49,890 just not worry about or give. 618 00:31:50,625 --> 00:31:53,145 Cursory and we talked about the wonderful things that you can go 619 00:31:53,145 --> 00:31:55,635 interact with, but is there anything in particular you go, eh, it's okay. 620 00:31:55,635 --> 00:31:56,655 You don't have to do it. 621 00:31:58,425 --> 00:31:58,995 I have an answer. 622 00:31:58,995 --> 00:32:00,255 I'm just curious if anyone else does. 623 00:32:01,005 --> 00:32:04,935 My answer would be, I don't know if it's something I would skip, but I would 624 00:32:04,935 --> 00:32:11,385 definitely pick a time period when you wanna go explore things around San Diego 625 00:32:11,415 --> 00:32:16,575 or go do something so that you can enjoy being there, you know, for part of a day. 626 00:32:16,755 --> 00:32:20,475 And I think that's gonna be different for each person, depending on, you 627 00:32:20,475 --> 00:32:24,285 know, what sessions are going on and, and what areas they're interested in. 628 00:32:25,065 --> 00:32:25,275 No, 629 00:32:25,275 --> 00:32:26,625 I'm waiting for you guys to give an answer. 630 00:32:26,625 --> 00:32:27,855 I'm, I'm curious. 631 00:32:27,855 --> 00:32:29,955 I don't, I don't have anything that I would say skip. 632 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:33,890 I think as I remember did it very often. 633 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,920 Although they were cool and provided like way back then, like food 634 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:38,390 truck lunches and stuff like that. 635 00:32:38,420 --> 00:32:40,760 But we didn't really, so this is not even session related. 636 00:32:41,270 --> 00:32:42,590 We didn't very often do that. 637 00:32:42,590 --> 00:32:47,660 We love to go off into the city at lunchtime and, and get some gas lamp eats. 638 00:32:49,190 --> 00:32:51,290 My controversial answer would be the preliminary. 639 00:32:52,535 --> 00:32:56,765 I, I'll be honest with you, of all the things that go on that week, the 640 00:32:56,765 --> 00:33:02,945 preliminary, preliminary plenary is the less interesting of them all. 641 00:33:03,095 --> 00:33:06,905 So for those who aren't aware, there's Hall H, which is, as far as I know, 642 00:33:06,905 --> 00:33:09,035 the biggest hall in all of San Diego. 643 00:33:09,115 --> 00:33:13,675 Convention center It, they put out seats for ballpark of 15,000 644 00:33:13,675 --> 00:33:17,305 people and literally it's the only thing going on on day one. 645 00:33:17,665 --> 00:33:21,055 You all sit in this, these chairs and the big stage, and Jack comes 646 00:33:21,055 --> 00:33:25,405 out and all the heads come out and they talk about the year in GIS all 647 00:33:25,405 --> 00:33:27,925 morning they talk about the cool things they're doing in Esri and all this 648 00:33:27,925 --> 00:33:30,175 other stuff like that, which is neat. 649 00:33:30,715 --> 00:33:31,855 It's interesting. 650 00:33:31,905 --> 00:33:33,675 Years ago we used to live stream it. 651 00:33:34,235 --> 00:33:37,865 But the reality is, is they're gonna talk about that the whole week, like. 652 00:33:38,420 --> 00:33:40,700 The whole week, they're gonna be hitting on those points. 653 00:33:40,940 --> 00:33:44,240 You get the highlights really cool in a three or four 654 00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:45,840 hour, whatever it is session. 655 00:33:46,230 --> 00:33:49,830 But it's not that critical. 656 00:33:49,980 --> 00:33:50,880 I, I don't think, 657 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,960 see, I like it so much that I make my students watch the recordings 658 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:58,660 of the plenary every time that we start the fall semester. 659 00:33:58,990 --> 00:34:00,880 So, you know, I, I think it's not. 660 00:34:01,255 --> 00:34:04,315 I think it's something to, to attend, to soak up that energy. 661 00:34:04,745 --> 00:34:07,745 And also to, you know, see what people are saying. 662 00:34:07,745 --> 00:34:10,805 I like to think about how much time they put into preparing 663 00:34:10,805 --> 00:34:11,945 for what they're gonna present. 664 00:34:12,455 --> 00:34:15,395 'cause you can tell a lot of effort went into it. 665 00:34:15,695 --> 00:34:16,445 It's a show. 666 00:34:17,855 --> 00:34:23,045 So, just one slight comment on Frank's statement, that is Hall h. 667 00:34:23,285 --> 00:34:25,415 Hall h is very important for Comic-Con. 668 00:34:26,210 --> 00:34:29,390 This is Hall's FG and H Oh, 669 00:34:29,450 --> 00:34:29,840 my fault. 670 00:34:29,900 --> 00:34:30,200 Alright. 671 00:34:30,470 --> 00:34:33,470 I just remember being on, because we always went on the far side, which is age. 672 00:34:33,470 --> 00:34:38,030 So that's, but it's, yeah, I mean, so yeah, it's, it's a big 673 00:34:38,030 --> 00:34:39,620 space with a lot of people in it. 674 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:43,670 I think 'cause it seems like we're, we're beginning to lean 675 00:34:43,670 --> 00:34:44,780 towards the virtual conversation. 676 00:34:44,900 --> 00:34:45,290 Is that right? 677 00:34:45,950 --> 00:34:46,280 Yeah. 678 00:34:46,370 --> 00:34:46,580 Okay. 679 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:48,230 So two things. 680 00:34:48,230 --> 00:34:49,910 One, of course the Thursday night. 681 00:34:50,720 --> 00:34:51,410 Don't skip that. 682 00:34:52,460 --> 00:34:52,910 Oh no. 683 00:34:52,910 --> 00:34:53,630 Yeah, go that. 684 00:34:53,990 --> 00:34:58,370 So if you've, you or your company or university has paid for it, go to it. 685 00:34:58,370 --> 00:34:58,940 Have fun. 686 00:34:59,330 --> 00:34:59,935 Is it good food? 687 00:34:59,935 --> 00:35:03,175 Where is it this year I didn't, I think I saw a Petco Park or something like that. 688 00:35:03,175 --> 00:35:04,160 Park that's right across the street. 689 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:05,030 So you don't have to go that far. 690 00:35:05,930 --> 00:35:06,230 Yeah. 691 00:35:06,260 --> 00:35:09,800 And it's good food and it's a lot of fun and it's good wind down. 692 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:14,000 The other thing are the summits one. 693 00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,270 The Education and Safety Security Summit. 694 00:35:17,270 --> 00:35:18,080 So those are two different ones. 695 00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:21,500 Education is one, and Safety and Security Summit is another. 696 00:35:21,950 --> 00:35:24,170 Those are both taking place the 12th through the 15th. 697 00:35:24,170 --> 00:35:27,260 So these are the pre-event, and then they include the 698 00:35:27,260 --> 00:35:29,030 plenary day and the date after. 699 00:35:29,060 --> 00:35:32,230 There's a few last sessions for those. 700 00:35:32,860 --> 00:35:37,900 But during the, the conference, well, there's also GIS Manager Summit the 701 00:35:37,900 --> 00:35:40,600 day before on Sunday the 13th, but. 702 00:35:41,170 --> 00:35:42,400 The rest of them. 703 00:35:42,700 --> 00:35:44,380 Spatial Analytics Summit Imagery. 704 00:35:44,380 --> 00:35:48,790 Summit AI Summit Science Summit Native Nation Summit Developer Summit. 705 00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:52,700 There are others that I think are further down this list. 706 00:35:53,210 --> 00:35:56,810 These are all summits that are going on around themes, essentially, 707 00:35:57,530 --> 00:35:59,990 that you can participate in. 708 00:36:00,350 --> 00:36:03,105 At the conference though, they do require reservations. 709 00:36:03,105 --> 00:36:04,635 So if you are going, make sure to. 710 00:36:05,610 --> 00:36:09,510 Go online, see if you can still get a, a reservation space. 711 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:11,230 And these are a little bit more focused. 712 00:36:11,230 --> 00:36:16,540 So for instance, the dev summit that's here is not the multi-day dev summit that 713 00:36:16,540 --> 00:36:22,610 you get in the spring, but it does give you access to specifics as developers 714 00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:23,840 who are working in this environment. 715 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:29,270 So yeah, those are the two things I wanted to highlight about at the onsite events. 716 00:36:29,630 --> 00:36:30,890 Yeah, and I would just say one thing. 717 00:36:30,890 --> 00:36:33,230 You've heard us mention it a couple of times, so. 718 00:36:33,845 --> 00:36:38,285 In as far as paying and attending or registration and stuff like that if you're 719 00:36:38,765 --> 00:36:43,055 with an educational organization or an agency or a company or whatever that has 720 00:36:43,135 --> 00:36:46,145 big licenses, check what comes with that? 721 00:36:46,145 --> 00:36:48,435 So different levels there might be slots. 722 00:36:49,095 --> 00:36:53,295 That will be paid so that you don't have to pay to to come to the conference. 723 00:36:53,295 --> 00:36:55,005 'cause if you do, it is, it is pricey. 724 00:36:55,375 --> 00:36:56,665 And so take a look at those. 725 00:36:56,845 --> 00:36:58,285 I don't know, do they still, I was looking around. 726 00:36:58,285 --> 00:37:00,595 Do they still have like the student volunteer opportunities and 727 00:37:00,595 --> 00:37:01,885 stuff, which can help out as well? 728 00:37:01,885 --> 00:37:01,945 All 729 00:37:01,945 --> 00:37:03,266 of that would've been months ago. 730 00:37:04,090 --> 00:37:07,090 Yeah, but I'm saying that for next year, if you're getting excited 731 00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:08,380 and you wanna go next time, right? 732 00:37:08,380 --> 00:37:08,440 Yeah. 733 00:37:08,500 --> 00:37:09,520 This year, next. 734 00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:13,240 And those are things that you can think about potentially to offset some of the 735 00:37:13,540 --> 00:37:16,570 Yeah, those are generally due two to three months in advance, so Yes. 736 00:37:16,630 --> 00:37:16,780 Oh, 737 00:37:16,780 --> 00:37:17,830 at least, if not more. 738 00:37:17,890 --> 00:37:18,130 Yeah. 739 00:37:18,340 --> 00:37:23,470 And if you wanna do a presentation, just know that that's due in the fall before. 740 00:37:23,530 --> 00:37:23,800 Yeah. 741 00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:25,750 And we generally, yeah. 742 00:37:25,750 --> 00:37:26,320 In fact, 743 00:37:26,500 --> 00:37:29,680 a couple of months after this, you see the call will come out for next year's 744 00:37:29,930 --> 00:37:31,310 presentations if you wanna present. 745 00:37:31,310 --> 00:37:31,520 So. 746 00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:37,560 Another feature I do wanna highlight that often gets slept on is the 747 00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:39,005 SIGs, the special interest groups. 748 00:37:39,005 --> 00:37:39,325 Mm-hmm. 749 00:37:39,380 --> 00:37:45,270 They usually meet during lunchtime one day and they meet, there's 750 00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:46,380 anything you can think of. 751 00:37:46,380 --> 00:37:47,070 It would be an interest group. 752 00:37:47,070 --> 00:37:49,920 There's a special interest group for it, but it, you can, it's 753 00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:51,150 people who are passionate about it. 754 00:37:51,260 --> 00:37:53,840 It's worth going to one of those, if it's something it's interested 755 00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:54,980 in, just pack your lunch. 756 00:37:55,655 --> 00:38:00,335 Now I will say that most conferences, the SIGs take place one day at lunch. 757 00:38:00,395 --> 00:38:04,055 Here it's multiple days during lunch and in the early evenings. 758 00:38:04,505 --> 00:38:08,175 So there's, yeah, there's a number of different special in interest groups 759 00:38:08,175 --> 00:38:11,115 and I assume there are more now than we were, than last time we were there. 760 00:38:11,115 --> 00:38:16,545 So probably spread from Tuesday, I'll be to Thursday at this point. 761 00:38:17,715 --> 00:38:19,335 And that's where you get to go talk about your little niche. 762 00:38:19,635 --> 00:38:19,815 Yeah. 763 00:38:19,845 --> 00:38:21,195 Or listen to others. 764 00:38:24,735 --> 00:38:31,885 So the new feature that is all relatively new, I think for certainly 765 00:38:31,885 --> 00:38:35,245 for us since the last time we were at the uc is the virtual conference. 766 00:38:35,275 --> 00:38:38,635 Barbara mentioned it earlier on, but there is virtual attendance. 767 00:38:38,635 --> 00:38:38,845 Now. 768 00:38:38,845 --> 00:38:41,665 I'm gonna be attending the uc virtually this year, for example. 769 00:38:41,885 --> 00:38:42,845 That is. 770 00:38:43,895 --> 00:38:47,405 Again, if you have one of these large licenses, look and see if 771 00:38:47,405 --> 00:38:50,975 you're capable of getting a, a ticket for those for low cost or no cost. 772 00:38:51,245 --> 00:38:54,755 You can still register even right now using for the virtual 773 00:38:54,755 --> 00:38:56,855 conference if you are wanting to go. 774 00:38:57,215 --> 00:38:59,285 The nice thing is you can see the presentations. 775 00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:01,280 Not all of them. 776 00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:04,250 Not all of them are available online, but a large number of them, I think 777 00:39:04,370 --> 00:39:06,740 almost all of the Esri ones are. 778 00:39:06,740 --> 00:39:09,350 So if you're particularly wanting to hear the presentations from 779 00:39:09,380 --> 00:39:10,920 Esri you can check that out. 780 00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,260 The plenary is despite me, you know. 781 00:39:14,835 --> 00:39:15,915 Poo-pooing it a little bit. 782 00:39:15,945 --> 00:39:17,565 You know, you can't watch it virtually. 783 00:39:17,625 --> 00:39:22,735 And that's a, a very cost effective way to attend quote unquote. 784 00:39:22,770 --> 00:39:26,185 You see, you don't get the hallway conversations, you don't get all that 785 00:39:26,185 --> 00:39:30,985 stuff that's wonderful, and you don't get the great food, but you can get 786 00:39:30,985 --> 00:39:34,555 a lot of the information that way, particularly given, you know, air 787 00:39:34,555 --> 00:39:38,555 travel and, and hotel reservations and all that stuff can be quite pricey. 788 00:39:38,825 --> 00:39:41,495 It's a very cost effective way to attend. 789 00:39:42,380 --> 00:39:43,880 Con the conference, 790 00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:48,080 and we've done it a few times now. 791 00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:52,010 So I don't remember the first year they did it, it probably 792 00:39:52,010 --> 00:39:55,330 was around the that four times. 793 00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:00,760 Yeah, I, I, I think it's, yeah, I, I believe they did it, I wanna say 794 00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:02,560 2018 to be honest with you, but it. 795 00:40:03,340 --> 00:40:07,900 Really, obviously came up to speed during the pandemic and, and they've continued, 796 00:40:07,900 --> 00:40:09,400 which has been a wonderful addition. 797 00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:09,820 I think 798 00:40:10,540 --> 00:40:14,590 I have to say, I, I, especially at the beginning, I was like, well, this is just 799 00:40:14,650 --> 00:40:18,460 the old folks conversation of the uc. 800 00:40:18,970 --> 00:40:20,585 Wear good shoes, have good bags. 801 00:40:23,305 --> 00:40:23,995 They're practical. 802 00:40:24,805 --> 00:40:26,005 Those are important things. 803 00:40:26,005 --> 00:40:28,705 Yes, they're important, but it's just like, oh my god, world. 804 00:40:29,135 --> 00:40:29,435 Yes. 805 00:40:29,435 --> 00:40:31,655 Because when you're, you're young and whatever, like those 806 00:40:31,655 --> 00:40:32,765 things don't distract you 807 00:40:33,455 --> 00:40:33,665 things. 808 00:40:33,665 --> 00:40:37,985 I tell you what, when I was young doing the uc, I got done that week. 809 00:40:37,985 --> 00:40:40,355 I was like, my God, I wish somebody had told me this 'cause. 810 00:40:41,570 --> 00:40:47,510 It that's, well also keep in mind that every floor, I think every floor at the 811 00:40:47,510 --> 00:40:51,140 San Diego Convention Center is concrete, and that's extra hard on your feet. 812 00:40:51,140 --> 00:40:51,470 So 813 00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:54,230 there's, there's a little bit of very thin carpeting. 814 00:40:55,580 --> 00:40:56,840 Very, very thin carpeting. 815 00:40:59,060 --> 00:41:00,920 It's just for those come from and 816 00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:01,820 the sizes, right? 817 00:41:01,820 --> 00:41:06,410 It's just on just another level of, like another magnitude. 818 00:41:06,740 --> 00:41:09,110 And so you just might not think of this. 819 00:41:09,110 --> 00:41:09,590 Ironically, 820 00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:13,330 ironically, for geography you know, geospatial people, we don't 821 00:41:13,330 --> 00:41:16,000 really understand the scale of the problem until you experience it. 822 00:41:16,315 --> 00:41:20,485 But I also would say that some of this is sharing things that we wish we had done. 823 00:41:20,575 --> 00:41:28,225 And so that's why I said I wish that I had basically told work, no, you 824 00:41:28,225 --> 00:41:32,455 know, I'm here, I'm enjoying myself and just immersed myself every time I 825 00:41:32,455 --> 00:41:34,555 went to the uc, to its full potential. 826 00:41:35,335 --> 00:41:39,785 But of course in hindsight you know, you can look back and say that, but 827 00:41:39,785 --> 00:41:42,515 it's not the same thing when you're getting those, those emails and calls. 828 00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:44,150 Yes. 829 00:41:44,240 --> 00:41:48,500 And when very spatial people got run, we were outside and people 830 00:41:48,500 --> 00:41:50,210 ran into us, like with sunburn. 831 00:41:50,210 --> 00:41:52,700 'cause we didn't think, Hey San Diego, it's super sunny out here. 832 00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:54,140 Maybe some sunscreen or a hat. 833 00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:56,690 Those are practical things. 834 00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:00,500 That was more, see, I was gonna suggest that, but thought, no, that's really old. 835 00:42:00,500 --> 00:42:01,730 That's like, you know, 836 00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:02,660 yeah. 837 00:42:02,660 --> 00:42:05,000 That is lesson learned, you know, kind of thing. 838 00:42:05,150 --> 00:42:05,450 So 839 00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:08,150 go to conferences. 840 00:42:09,095 --> 00:42:12,875 Whether it's this one or other ones, talk to people, enjoy yourselves, 841 00:42:13,115 --> 00:42:15,665 that we're an awesome industry, that has awesome people in it. 842 00:42:16,025 --> 00:42:16,805 Get to know more of them. 843 00:42:18,725 --> 00:42:18,965 That's kind 844 00:42:18,965 --> 00:42:19,115 of 845 00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:19,820 it, I think. 846 00:42:20,370 --> 00:42:20,980 Does that mm-hmm. 847 00:42:21,060 --> 00:42:21,875 Kinda summarize it, Frank? 848 00:42:22,625 --> 00:42:23,285 I think so. 849 00:42:23,380 --> 00:42:24,215 I, I think so. 850 00:42:24,215 --> 00:42:26,195 And you know, if you have anything interesting to share, 851 00:42:26,255 --> 00:42:28,565 you know, always send us an email. 852 00:42:31,145 --> 00:42:33,755 ' cause of course, after talking about one event the whole time, we don't 853 00:42:33,755 --> 00:42:34,985 have any events in the events corner. 854 00:42:35,495 --> 00:42:39,875 So if you do have events, send us an email at podcast@veryspatial.com. 855 00:42:41,045 --> 00:42:44,615 If you'd like to reach us individually, I can be reached at sue@veryspatial.com. 856 00:42:45,515 --> 00:42:46,955 I'm barb@veryspatial.com. 857 00:42:47,315 --> 00:42:49,355 You can reach me atFrank@veryspatial.com. 858 00:42:50,105 --> 00:42:52,055 I'm available at jesse@variousspatial.com. 859 00:42:52,325 --> 00:42:54,755 And of course, you can find all of our contact information over 860 00:42:54,755 --> 00:42:56,885 at various spatial.com/contacts. 861 00:42:57,710 --> 00:42:58,340 As always, 862 00:42:58,610 --> 00:42:59,990 we're the folks from very spatial. 863 00:43:00,575 --> 00:43:01,175 Thanks for listening, 864 00:43:01,565 --> 00:43:02,525 and we'll see you in a couple weeks 865 00:43:09,575 --> 00:43:11,495 dark here. 866 00:43:11,495 --> 00:43:12,845 Inside my heart. 867 00:43:14,225 --> 00:43:18,400 Distance from the start feels like we. 868 00:43:27,795 --> 00:43:30,795 Stars feels like we 869 00:43:32,810 --> 00:43:41,000 apart, and even though you had to go away, I still, and even if 870 00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:44,080 I still. 871 00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,560 Well, maybe these words will never you. 872 00:43:55,735 --> 00:43:57,445 Maybe that's so right. 873 00:43:59,335 --> 00:44:03,605 We'll just keep hoping things will get better in time. 874 00:44:04,970 --> 00:44:07,525 Maybe these words won't mean, and 875 00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:13,070 it was you 876 00:44:17,105 --> 00:44:17,525 inside. 877 00:44:20,210 --> 00:44:26,930 To act like I'm just fighting, but really deep inside feels 878 00:44:26,930 --> 00:44:30,530 like I'm just getting by. 879 00:44:30,950 --> 00:44:34,685 And even though you had to go away, I 880 00:44:38,755 --> 00:44:41,015 you, I. 881 00:44:49,405 --> 00:44:52,375 Maybe these words will never reach you. 882 00:44:52,375 --> 00:44:54,145 Maybe that's all right. 883 00:44:56,155 --> 00:45:00,655 We'll just keep hoping things will get better in time. 884 00:45:01,855 --> 00:45:04,530 Maybe these words won't mean and. 885 00:45:09,145 --> 00:45:14,910 It was you instead of my guitar holding you inside my. 886 00:45:33,455 --> 00:45:39,245 Wish it was you instead of my guitar holding you inside.