WEBVTT NOTE This file was generated by Descript 00:00:00.770 --> 00:00:06.479 Barb: Hello, and welcome to A Very Spatial Podcast, episode 736, April 28th, 2024. 00:00:15.550 --> 00:00:17.350 Frank: Hello, and welcome to A Very Spatial Podcast. 00:00:17.360 --> 00:00:18.059 This is Frank. 00:00:18.349 --> 00:00:19.070 This is Barb. 00:00:19.270 --> 00:00:22.229 And unfortunately, we will not be joined by Jesse and Sue this week, 00:00:22.280 --> 00:00:25.150 but they will be back with us at the next episode, I'm certain. 00:00:25.660 --> 00:00:29.310 So because of that, we decided to go with a bit of a news episode today. 00:00:29.310 --> 00:00:31.740 So we're going to run some through some things that we found in the news 00:00:31.740 --> 00:00:33.290 we thought you might find interesting. 00:00:33.705 --> 00:00:37.204 Barb: First up in the news, if you are going to any upcoming conferences or 00:00:37.205 --> 00:00:43.795 meetups this year cartographer Daniel Huffman has created a spreadsheet. 00:00:43.805 --> 00:00:47.284 If you want to trade any of his projection cards, if you've gotten his projection 00:00:47.284 --> 00:00:48.805 cards, I just got mine in the mail. 00:00:49.165 --> 00:00:54.155 You can sign up and trade with other people that are interested. 00:00:54.519 --> 00:00:58.429 I know that I was excited to show these cards to my students and 00:00:58.429 --> 00:00:59.679 I was telling people about it. 00:00:59.679 --> 00:01:02.699 And someone said, you know, that's one of the nerdiest things I've ever heard of. 00:01:03.059 --> 00:01:06.949 And I thought you really haven't met a whole lot of geospatial people because 00:01:07.169 --> 00:01:11.009 this is exciting and not the nerdiest thing I've done that's map related. 00:01:11.339 --> 00:01:15.110 Frank: Well, I mean, it, it's pretty, I mean, trading, trading cards as 00:01:15.110 --> 00:01:18.470 somebody who's done that for fun, you know, and magic, the gathering and 00:01:18.470 --> 00:01:20.420 all that stuff, that's pretty nerdy. 00:01:20.539 --> 00:01:23.740 And I don't think many people would argue. 00:01:24.945 --> 00:01:29.245 The projections aren't You know pretty doggone nerdy when it 00:01:29.245 --> 00:01:30.345 comes to the geospatial realm. 00:01:30.345 --> 00:01:34.694 So You combine the two this this main event the nerdiest thing i've ever heard, 00:01:34.705 --> 00:01:37.054 but it's pretty doggone nerdy for gis 00:01:37.874 --> 00:01:38.434 Barb: Okay 00:01:38.845 --> 00:01:40.325 Frank: Yeah, well, i'm not saying it's bad. 00:01:40.355 --> 00:01:42.514 I mean, you know because it looks like it's a lot of fun and 00:01:42.514 --> 00:01:43.464 There are a few people out there. 00:01:43.464 --> 00:01:45.494 They're saying they're looking for a particular card to look at the 00:01:45.494 --> 00:01:50.324 spreadsheet so If you would like to embrace your professional or nerdy and 00:01:50.914 --> 00:01:52.764 check it out, they are kind of cool You 00:01:53.429 --> 00:01:53.949 Barb: They are. 00:01:54.079 --> 00:01:55.009 Frank: And I 00:01:55.009 --> 00:01:58.159 Barb: actually said to Frank when I got mine, I'm going to send some to Sue. 00:01:58.449 --> 00:02:03.069 Also, should I keep some packs back that I don't open so they retain their value? 00:02:03.759 --> 00:02:04.909 That is the nerdy part. 00:02:05.339 --> 00:02:06.369 Frank: It is the nerdy part. 00:02:07.939 --> 00:02:11.759 Barb: So surface areas, rivers, and lakes database has been released. 00:02:12.079 --> 00:02:15.299 What is really significant about this is it looks at seasonal 00:02:15.299 --> 00:02:20.679 variation in the extent of rivers and lakes from 1984 to 2022. 00:02:20.679 --> 00:02:26.609 And I think unsurprising for geographers overall, but just the, the amount 00:02:26.649 --> 00:02:31.169 of change observed for seasonal river extent is larger than 32%. 00:02:31.859 --> 00:02:32.959 So we know that there's. 00:02:32.979 --> 00:02:37.159 Seasonal variation but I don't think we realized how much. 00:02:37.744 --> 00:02:42.134 that this intermittent seasonal coverage has increased since 1984. 00:02:42.704 --> 00:02:44.704 So this is a significant amount of work. 00:02:44.704 --> 00:02:49.194 It's called the Surface Area of Rivers and Lakes, SARL database, which is 00:02:49.194 --> 00:02:53.374 going to be used for monitoring and research of hydraulic, hydrological 00:02:53.375 --> 00:02:56.924 cycles, ecosystems, and water management. 00:02:57.184 --> 00:03:02.514 So a very useful tool and you know, a lot of effort put into this, something that's. 00:03:03.024 --> 00:03:03.844 Vital today. 00:03:04.724 --> 00:03:04.954 Frank: Yeah. 00:03:04.954 --> 00:03:10.024 So the interesting thing here to me is that it covers, it shows the 00:03:10.034 --> 00:03:15.834 statistical significance for a degree of variation for 84 percent of the 00:03:15.834 --> 00:03:21.724 global water catchments, which is weirdly simultaneously bigger than I 00:03:21.724 --> 00:03:27.834 would have expected in smaller because scientists like to think 90 percent is 00:03:27.834 --> 00:03:29.364 really where we want to live and think. 00:03:29.654 --> 00:03:32.694 But you know, this is pretty impressive. 00:03:33.184 --> 00:03:33.494 Barb: It is. 00:03:33.494 --> 00:03:37.114 And one of the things they talk about is the fact that, you know, we have a lot 00:03:37.114 --> 00:03:41.724 of advances in remote sensing, but remote sensing can't always get down to this type 00:03:41.724 --> 00:03:44.144 of information and this type of change. 00:03:44.464 --> 00:03:45.945 So we're going to have to use. 00:03:46.409 --> 00:03:52.359 as many tools as we can get to address what's going on with climate. 00:03:52.549 --> 00:03:57.699 And then next up in the news along this theme, the American Museum of Natural 00:03:57.699 --> 00:03:59.829 History went through their collection. 00:03:59.829 --> 00:04:03.530 Again, you know, a lot of things are still out there in different collections 00:04:03.559 --> 00:04:09.395 and they found that there are the mussel shells since like, you know, Back to 00:04:09.395 --> 00:04:15.505 the 60s, and then back to the 1800s that those mussel shells are more porous 00:04:15.555 --> 00:04:17.725 as we've seen warming waters occur. 00:04:18.325 --> 00:04:24.964 So they've, you know, another aspect of geospatial work is they went through 00:04:24.964 --> 00:04:29.505 their collections since the early 1900s, and they identified this disparity that 00:04:29.505 --> 00:04:36.264 was going on along the the coast in the US with The North Atlantic, suggesting 00:04:36.264 --> 00:04:40.194 that this warming is causing changes in the porousness of muscles, I'm having 00:04:40.194 --> 00:04:42.584 problems and now pronouncing the porosity. 00:04:42.894 --> 00:04:43.134 Frank: Yeah. 00:04:43.144 --> 00:04:45.854 So the, the really telling thing here is, of course, this 00:04:45.854 --> 00:04:47.294 goes back to the early 1900s. 00:04:47.674 --> 00:04:51.774 So this is about 130 years where the data and it just is 00:04:51.774 --> 00:04:54.654 sort of a auxiliary support. 00:04:54.704 --> 00:04:56.104 I think to that. 00:04:56.124 --> 00:04:58.974 The notion of climate change is in fact happening. 00:05:00.209 --> 00:05:04.879 That oceans are in fact warming and the implications of that are a lot 00:05:04.879 --> 00:05:06.609 more widespread than a lot of times. 00:05:06.609 --> 00:05:07.869 We want to imagine. 00:05:08.229 --> 00:05:13.809 So it is a yet another piece of supporting evidence into that sort 00:05:13.809 --> 00:05:18.689 of conversation dialogue that I think is critical to show more and more 00:05:18.699 --> 00:05:20.729 of these effects to people who may. 00:05:21.424 --> 00:05:24.674 pushback on the notion of climate change and why it matters. 00:05:25.344 --> 00:05:29.084 Barb: And something that just, you know, I just sit with a little bit cause I didn't 00:05:29.284 --> 00:05:35.574 realize how enormous this was, but they talk about how coastal ecosystems are 10 00:05:35.574 --> 00:05:40.544 percent of the world ocean system, yet they hold 90 percent of all marine life. 00:05:40.614 --> 00:05:43.534 And I know that, you know, I know that thinking about places I've 00:05:43.564 --> 00:05:47.534 been to coastlines I've seen, and I know how much life is there, 00:05:47.844 --> 00:05:49.864 but really I don't, you know. 00:05:50.304 --> 00:05:53.474 Also up in the news along the same lines of the, the 00:05:53.474 --> 00:05:56.534 changing ocean GMR, the Hamilts. 00:05:57.004 --> 00:06:00.864 Center for Ocean Research talking with Intergeo was proposing 00:06:00.864 --> 00:06:02.274 a digital twin of the ocean. 00:06:02.964 --> 00:06:08.454 Along with the idea that rivers are not well understood, not well researched, is 00:06:08.464 --> 00:06:13.574 also this idea that we've been focusing a lot of land on land and land issues, 00:06:13.604 --> 00:06:15.614 but they wanted to focus more on oceans. 00:06:15.954 --> 00:06:19.804 And that if you bring all the different things we studied together in a digital 00:06:19.804 --> 00:06:24.794 twins of the ocean, that we might be able to address some of the the shared. 00:06:25.139 --> 00:06:27.359 Problems going on and make some changes. 00:06:27.779 --> 00:06:31.209 Frank: Yeah, I think that I think was kind of interesting out of that is 00:06:31.209 --> 00:06:34.169 that as a note in the link in the show notes that, you know, as we all know, 00:06:34.169 --> 00:06:38.079 we learned early on in school that oceans cover two thirds of the earth's 00:06:38.079 --> 00:06:43.299 surface, and they have a huge impact on the way that we think about the world. 00:06:43.299 --> 00:06:47.989 And we've always thought about the world and that economies have grown around 00:06:48.599 --> 00:06:53.809 the ocean being the dominant form of. 00:06:54.394 --> 00:06:55.334 What's the word I'm looking for here? 00:06:55.614 --> 00:07:02.034 Form on, on the, on the planet that we oftentimes think of them as distinct 00:07:02.044 --> 00:07:05.764 and unrelated economic ecosystems. 00:07:05.774 --> 00:07:09.494 When in fact, there's a degree of interdependency and again, the link points 00:07:09.494 --> 00:07:14.194 this out, there's an interdependency there that a lot of times we don't really think 00:07:14.194 --> 00:07:19.074 about in our day to day operations or in day to day thinking about the world. 00:07:19.464 --> 00:07:22.414 You know, everything we know about. 00:07:23.374 --> 00:07:26.474 Really the seasons and the climate and all that sort of stuff clearly 00:07:26.474 --> 00:07:30.494 driven by the sun and how it, how it moves relative to the earth. 00:07:30.504 --> 00:07:36.444 But it's also we have this massive heat sink in the oceans and it 00:07:36.444 --> 00:07:40.294 also releases that in various forms of energy and that sort of thing. 00:07:40.554 --> 00:07:40.954 So. 00:07:41.889 --> 00:07:47.759 I think this is a really important thing to look into to talk about 00:07:48.439 --> 00:07:51.519 because I don't think that we think about that, particularly those of 00:07:51.519 --> 00:07:54.799 us who are landlocked, Jesse and Sue being near the coast, they may 00:07:54.799 --> 00:07:56.069 be a little more in tune with it. 00:07:56.069 --> 00:07:59.229 But those of us who are landlocked, we don't think about how critical 00:07:59.469 --> 00:08:05.014 this stuff is to our day to day existence, much less, you know, the 00:08:05.044 --> 00:08:10.314 ecosystem and the earth as it exists year to year, millennia to millennia. 00:08:11.174 --> 00:08:14.394 Barb: They even call it the blue economy, you know, like we said, sometimes 00:08:14.394 --> 00:08:15.984 we're in the geospatial community. 00:08:16.254 --> 00:08:18.134 We need to focus on what people listen to. 00:08:18.134 --> 00:08:21.554 And sometimes what they hear is economy and economic development. 00:08:21.904 --> 00:08:24.734 But the other thing was just, I thought toddlers, you know, 00:08:25.014 --> 00:08:27.654 first law of geography, they said, you know, why is this true? 00:08:27.655 --> 00:08:30.509 It's because Humans live on land and it takes a lot of 00:08:30.519 --> 00:08:32.139 effort to measure the ocean. 00:08:32.499 --> 00:08:38.339 So, you know, it, it tends to not be a studied but they're hoping to change that. 00:08:38.819 --> 00:08:41.269 Frank: Next up the news and continuing on with this sort of ocean 00:08:41.269 --> 00:08:44.339 theme and a climate change thing, we've been kicking around here. 00:08:44.869 --> 00:08:49.899 Noah has confirmed that we're in our fourth global coral bleaching event. 00:08:50.219 --> 00:08:53.139 Now, if you don't know what a coral bleaching event is, and I didn't 00:08:53.139 --> 00:08:54.729 really know until this news item. 00:08:55.509 --> 00:09:02.899 Essentially, the increased heating of the ocean is causing coral reefs to 00:09:02.899 --> 00:09:07.669 bleach, and this is actually damaging their substructure and causing them 00:09:07.669 --> 00:09:10.179 to basically have a shorter lifespan. 00:09:10.929 --> 00:09:17.694 And there's a whole lot of the ecosystem Of the ocean that depends upon chloral, 00:09:17.744 --> 00:09:23.534 Beds being very vibrant and active living creatures now, they do heal 00:09:23.554 --> 00:09:27.424 over time But you know, it's a little bit like getting exposed to like a 00:09:27.424 --> 00:09:31.564 human being being exposed to something Extreme, you know, it damaged them and 00:09:31.564 --> 00:09:33.494 it makes them so they don't live as long. 00:09:33.684 --> 00:09:41.254 So you know this directly impacts a lot of the near coast ecosystems for a lot of 00:09:41.264 --> 00:09:45.639 the world which again gets back into the The what did the last news item call it? 00:09:45.659 --> 00:09:45.939 The 00:09:45.949 --> 00:09:46.659 Barb: blue economy, 00:09:46.679 --> 00:09:49.119 Frank: the blue economy is that, you know, so much of the things that 00:09:49.119 --> 00:09:54.459 we're doing in fishing, so many things we're doing in tourism, you name it, 00:09:54.889 --> 00:10:00.189 are related to this vibrant ecosystem that is surprisingly delicate. 00:10:00.209 --> 00:10:06.919 And the fact that we've had, you know, this many bleach events in a very short 00:10:06.919 --> 00:10:12.149 period of time that Noah's discovered, you know, reporting is a little frightening. 00:10:12.574 --> 00:10:16.574 Barb: What's impressive to me is that this has been a multidisciplinary 00:10:16.574 --> 00:10:22.854 effort in NOAA and that this is based on 2018 and 2019 strategic interventions. 00:10:23.184 --> 00:10:28.104 So they have been trying to implement an increased resilience 00:10:28.104 --> 00:10:31.834 through these interventions that they set out in an earlier report. 00:10:32.054 --> 00:10:35.324 So, you know, a lot of the work we do, you know, the geospatial 00:10:35.354 --> 00:10:38.994 community does is, takes decades. 00:10:39.234 --> 00:10:41.144 Sometimes to, to implement. 00:10:41.494 --> 00:10:45.374 So this is, you know, very impressive the work that's being done here. 00:10:47.044 --> 00:10:47.214 Frank: Yeah. 00:10:47.214 --> 00:10:50.584 And this is the NOAA coral reef watches CRW. 00:10:50.594 --> 00:10:52.834 Well so, you know, you can click on the link in the show notes 00:10:53.014 --> 00:10:54.064 and check out more about it. 00:10:54.364 --> 00:10:55.994 It's kind of a cool little site too. 00:10:56.314 --> 00:10:58.204 There's lots of interesting things in there. 00:10:58.374 --> 00:11:02.444 This is also an area that for anyone in the United States, I recently ran 00:11:02.444 --> 00:11:06.214 into somebody online saying, well, what services do we get with our taxes? 00:11:06.909 --> 00:11:11.149 I mean, Noah in and of itself does some pretty amazing stuff with the 00:11:11.159 --> 00:11:15.709 resources they're given, which are not, you know, billions and trillions 00:11:15.709 --> 00:11:19.179 of dollars that people think maybe billions, but certainly not trillions 00:11:19.179 --> 00:11:20.819 of dollars that people think. 00:11:21.119 --> 00:11:25.279 And it's just, and yet another area that Noah's involved in, 00:11:25.319 --> 00:11:26.609 you know, it's pretty cool. 00:11:26.899 --> 00:11:29.799 Speaking of cool projects that have around forever, we've talked about 00:11:29.799 --> 00:11:35.809 Landsat so much on the website because it is a stunningly impressive. 00:11:36.234 --> 00:11:40.874 Lung project that allows us to understand so much about our earth. 00:11:41.234 --> 00:11:46.874 And, and really it's a, an amazing feat of engineering and capability and, and 00:11:46.874 --> 00:11:48.674 store of data that we have access to. 00:11:49.809 --> 00:11:54.199 Well, they've started doing better capturing of Landsat 00:11:54.219 --> 00:11:56.409 images on the, on the poles. 00:11:56.449 --> 00:12:00.529 So, it's called the LEAP project, Landsat Extended Acquisition of the 00:12:00.529 --> 00:12:06.249 Poles, and it's an attempt to get better data about and around the 00:12:06.249 --> 00:12:08.959 poles, and it's using Landsat 8 and 9. 00:12:09.059 --> 00:12:11.579 The interesting thing, the reason I mentioned the engineering bit is 00:12:11.579 --> 00:12:17.564 because Landsat 8 was designed to collect more data than Landsat 7. 00:12:17.564 --> 00:12:22.554 Landsat 7 could get 500 images per day and Landsat 8 and 9 are supposed 00:12:22.554 --> 00:12:26.204 to get, you know, 50 percent more than that, so 750 images per day. 00:12:26.674 --> 00:12:31.914 And so when they started thinking about what Landsat 8 could do, they realized, 00:12:32.294 --> 00:12:34.884 hey, you know, actually we can push this thing to do a little bit more 00:12:34.894 --> 00:12:36.684 to get a whole lot more information. 00:12:37.644 --> 00:12:41.104 And that's essentially what they're doing in this polar science effort 00:12:41.504 --> 00:12:47.274 is using Landsat 8 and 9 beyond their really intended capacity and 00:12:47.274 --> 00:12:51.664 capability to collect more data to understand what's going on to poles. 00:12:52.264 --> 00:12:55.054 Now, why this matters is an awful lot of the things that 00:12:55.054 --> 00:12:56.484 we're seeing with global warming. 00:12:57.009 --> 00:12:59.939 And the impacts thereof are coming out of the poles. 00:12:59.959 --> 00:13:02.999 So as we know, the ice sheets are melting and all that sort of stuff. 00:13:03.309 --> 00:13:04.829 That's where that stuff is located at. 00:13:04.829 --> 00:13:06.769 So we need to have better data about it. 00:13:07.259 --> 00:13:10.299 Landsat is a very nice because there's certainly other satellites that are 00:13:10.639 --> 00:13:13.149 capturing information about it and reporting that, but Landsat is very 00:13:13.149 --> 00:13:17.444 nice because we have a common Data set that we can look across anywhere on 00:13:17.444 --> 00:13:22.184 the planet to sort of see at a common scale and You know relatively common 00:13:22.194 --> 00:13:27.504 time frame and and some, you know sensor Sensitivity and all that sort of stuff. 00:13:27.824 --> 00:13:32.504 So this is a pretty exciting little project I think and I think it just shows 00:13:33.314 --> 00:13:38.904 How amazing Landsat is as a technology that you we can just always seem to be 00:13:38.904 --> 00:13:42.884 able to squeeze a little bit more out of it that you wouldn't think we could get 00:13:43.344 --> 00:13:47.144 Barb: well, two of the things that they mentioned that the thermal and infrared 00:13:47.144 --> 00:13:51.449 sensors, the tears can do that they, you know, again, just the Thinking about 00:13:51.449 --> 00:13:55.589 what can it do that we need is it can detect warm pools of water that are 00:13:55.589 --> 00:14:00.299 upwelling from the deep and the next, you know, huge thing I thought is that they 00:14:00.299 --> 00:14:02.189 go, it can see in the dark basically. 00:14:02.489 --> 00:14:05.099 There are areas that they couldn't get images 'cause of the darkness of 00:14:05.099 --> 00:14:08.789 winter and they thought it would be too dark to get useful imagery, but 00:14:08.849 --> 00:14:11.759 they found out that they're able to get this and it's, you know, very. 00:14:12.309 --> 00:14:16.669 Romantic sounding name for imagery, but these twilight images of this 00:14:16.719 --> 00:14:19.479 area that they didn't think they would be able to get imagery for 00:14:19.729 --> 00:14:22.839 Frank: next up in the news is kind of a cool project called location Europe and 00:14:22.839 --> 00:14:26.439 I don't know exactly how long it's been around, but we discovered this news item 00:14:26.439 --> 00:14:27.629 that talked about it for the first time. 00:14:28.249 --> 00:14:29.239 I think it's pretty nifty. 00:14:29.419 --> 00:14:33.879 It is a development that came out of the Gio E3 project in Europe, 00:14:34.849 --> 00:14:37.559 which was around Spain, Finland. 00:14:37.609 --> 00:14:38.979 I remember all the countries in there. 00:14:38.999 --> 00:14:41.849 It's a collaboration with Finland, Estonia, Netherlands, Norway, 00:14:41.849 --> 00:14:44.999 Spain, and other EU countries. 00:14:45.559 --> 00:14:49.169 And the idea behind this was that there are all these data sets, these 00:14:49.179 --> 00:14:54.029 very large data sets, geospatial data sets specifically, that are being 00:14:54.029 --> 00:14:58.259 collected, being, you know, reported, being stuck out there, and they're 00:14:58.259 --> 00:15:00.294 not, you know, Easily harmonized. 00:15:00.464 --> 00:15:03.784 And so what this is attempting to do is to bring on these different data 00:15:03.784 --> 00:15:09.474 sets into a common data format or data schema so that you can interact with it. 00:15:09.844 --> 00:15:13.824 It's put out under a bazillion free API is out there. 00:15:13.824 --> 00:15:17.804 So you can use their API to query the information and get stuff back. 00:15:18.034 --> 00:15:18.519 There's it. 00:15:18.839 --> 00:15:20.419 Buildings within two and three D. 00:15:20.419 --> 00:15:23.879 There's roads and both in two and three D. 00:15:23.879 --> 00:15:28.569 There's digital train models and surface models, wind speed, sunshine temperature. 00:15:28.679 --> 00:15:32.619 There's all sorts of data out there that you can grab for location. 00:15:32.619 --> 00:15:39.269 You're obviously centered upon European continent, not just the EU, and I 00:15:39.279 --> 00:15:43.979 think it's a really exciting model for nothing else, if nothing else. 00:15:44.439 --> 00:15:46.719 There are a lot of other things like OpenStreetMap and out there that are 00:15:46.729 --> 00:15:49.939 doing this stuff, but they acknowledge that there's all these data sets being 00:15:49.939 --> 00:15:53.599 put out there, and let's harmonize this under a common platform and just 00:15:53.619 --> 00:15:55.989 let it out there for general use. 00:15:56.389 --> 00:15:59.559 There are a lot of companies that do things like this, but, and they have 00:15:59.569 --> 00:16:02.889 free use cases that you can do, you know, if you're below a certain amount. 00:16:03.369 --> 00:16:08.319 I've used this or, or hits or whatever it may be, but this is pretty exciting 00:16:08.319 --> 00:16:09.449 to just say, throw it out there. 00:16:09.659 --> 00:16:09.879 Barb: Yeah. 00:16:09.879 --> 00:16:12.319 And again, it's, it's just an increasing trend. 00:16:12.339 --> 00:16:16.489 I mean, I think this goes in waves but in recent news items, I've 00:16:16.489 --> 00:16:18.489 seen a lot more interdisciplinary. 00:16:18.854 --> 00:16:21.094 Cross country work going on. 00:16:21.354 --> 00:16:27.794 And it's almost as if just our technology has improved where some of these things 00:16:27.824 --> 00:16:29.964 are seen as working better together. 00:16:30.634 --> 00:16:34.594 Also, there tends to be more communication that's leading to it. 00:16:34.819 --> 00:16:38.709 But I'm excited to see this going on and in more and more projects where 00:16:38.709 --> 00:16:42.569 people are sharing data and working together because we know that the world 00:16:42.569 --> 00:16:44.459 doesn't stop at that political boundary. 00:16:44.709 --> 00:16:49.389 And this is really useful to take data and then take it to the next step. 00:16:49.499 --> 00:16:52.149 So you're not trying to piece things together or patchwork things. 00:16:52.349 --> 00:16:55.229 Frank: Yeah, this is a growth in that sort of middleware, you know, is to 00:16:55.249 --> 00:16:57.819 use the nerdy programming assist admin. 00:16:58.649 --> 00:17:04.139 Terms for it is that we have this entire, there's no easy way to make 00:17:04.139 --> 00:17:06.329 one thing that works for all things. 00:17:06.409 --> 00:17:10.609 If you focused on the atomic units, there's different, different groups, 00:17:10.619 --> 00:17:13.599 there's different data set collections, all that stuff is going to use different. 00:17:13.934 --> 00:17:17.764 methodologies for collecting that technologies. 00:17:17.774 --> 00:17:20.724 It's going to put it in different outputs, but if you have that middleware bit 00:17:20.734 --> 00:17:24.894 that says, let me talk all the, all the proper languages and proper interfaces 00:17:24.894 --> 00:17:29.304 to talk to all those things, then we can put a front end on it that you 00:17:29.304 --> 00:17:34.004 can just interact with and allow you to get at it in a common API format. 00:17:34.584 --> 00:17:40.674 That is a model that many, all several, I don't know what the right term is here. 00:17:41.279 --> 00:17:44.969 Companies are moving towards for their own stuff, but it is also a model. 00:17:44.969 --> 00:17:49.779 I think this can become More and more dominant where that middleware bit is 00:17:49.789 --> 00:17:53.679 really the heart of what we're providing And then people can come along later 00:17:53.679 --> 00:17:57.899 and interact with those apis and make value added end products Or you know 00:17:57.899 --> 00:18:01.469 free end products for anyone to have whether you know, whatever it may be 00:18:01.729 --> 00:18:07.399 so That that architecture is incredibly powerful and I think it's going to 00:18:07.409 --> 00:18:11.949 become Hmm Well, arguably it is, but certainly even more so become the 00:18:11.949 --> 00:18:16.599 dominant model for geospatial data and technology, because it just makes sense. 00:18:16.639 --> 00:18:20.319 There's all this data out there and it uses all these different formats and 00:18:21.079 --> 00:18:25.549 resolutions and projections and, you know, all the things that we like to do. 00:18:25.549 --> 00:18:30.519 So the slightly different extents, you name it, putting that into a common 00:18:30.559 --> 00:18:33.239 interface is so powerful and so amazing. 00:18:33.599 --> 00:18:35.919 And finally, this week there is a really cool interactive 00:18:35.919 --> 00:18:37.869 map that is now being released. 00:18:38.409 --> 00:18:43.349 That's basically a near real time online eruption, volcano 00:18:43.379 --> 00:18:44.819 eruption interactive map. 00:18:45.639 --> 00:18:51.719 Now, this is really powerful especially given the number of mostly 00:18:51.729 --> 00:18:56.069 dormant or silent volcanoes that seem to have started springing up 00:18:56.069 --> 00:18:58.889 in activity over the last, I don't know, 10 years or something like that. 00:18:59.469 --> 00:19:01.839 You know, when Iceland and I'm trying to think of the ones 00:19:02.029 --> 00:19:03.329 that have come up recently. 00:19:03.729 --> 00:19:10.149 This is using the USGS Hawaiian Volcano Observatory mission, HVO, 00:19:10.809 --> 00:19:12.249 to sort of basically get this data. 00:19:12.249 --> 00:19:16.689 But the problem is, is that the USGS is not really allowed to publish 00:19:16.699 --> 00:19:19.609 information until it is truly publishable. 00:19:20.009 --> 00:19:25.699 And for the most part, volcanic eruptions are kind of one of those things that 00:19:25.699 --> 00:19:30.229 are a little bit like It's similar to earthquakes or something like that, 00:19:30.779 --> 00:19:35.129 that at about the point that, you know, that it's true, it's almost too late. 00:19:35.349 --> 00:19:38.899 You need to, you know, you need to get information out very rapidly 00:19:38.909 --> 00:19:45.169 and in the USGS is need and I think important need to have very have 00:19:45.169 --> 00:19:49.359 verifiable, authentic, reliable information means that sometimes they 00:19:49.360 --> 00:19:51.149 can't move quite as fast as they would. 00:19:51.199 --> 00:19:55.519 They need to move or people need them to move for volcanic eruptions. 00:19:55.529 --> 00:19:56.309 So this, this. 00:19:56.599 --> 00:19:59.549 Interactive math is basically working off that data, but it's extending it 00:19:59.549 --> 00:20:04.829 a bit to give, you know, near real time information that says, Oh, okay. 00:20:04.839 --> 00:20:09.349 In fact, you can see what's going on in a, in a way that you can 00:20:09.349 --> 00:20:11.009 digest and react to very quickly. 00:20:11.049 --> 00:20:13.569 So I hope to God nobody ever needs this map. 00:20:13.699 --> 00:20:14.319 I have to say that 00:20:15.279 --> 00:20:18.929 Barb: what's, what's really interesting, like you said about, you know, what's 00:20:18.929 --> 00:20:22.629 available to the public is that this was made with the public in mind. 00:20:22.939 --> 00:20:23.969 So even though it's not. 00:20:24.479 --> 00:20:29.389 able to be edited you have a lot of features that you can turn on and off. 00:20:29.399 --> 00:20:35.099 So you can look at lava flow boundaries at erupting fissures, you know, 00:20:35.099 --> 00:20:39.319 you can look at flow of lava flow fonts, fronts and that's important. 00:20:39.339 --> 00:20:43.229 Those are things that we've seen in other events where, you know, it's, 00:20:43.259 --> 00:20:47.319 if it's near where people are living, they want to know what's going on. 00:20:47.539 --> 00:20:48.739 And this is something that. 00:20:48.964 --> 00:20:52.804 They could go to as a resource to ask those questions. 00:20:53.324 --> 00:20:56.344 Frank: Yeah, I was trying to struggle with how to talk about the distinction between 00:20:56.344 --> 00:20:57.664 what they can publish and what they can't. 00:20:58.094 --> 00:21:00.524 And the interesting thing is, is they can't publish a map. 00:21:00.869 --> 00:21:04.809 You know, until it's formally published where it has a review process and all that 00:21:04.809 --> 00:21:06.369 sort of stuff, but they can publish data. 00:21:06.849 --> 00:21:09.369 And that's really what the distinction allows this to exist. 00:21:09.379 --> 00:21:13.879 So they're publishing this, this volcanic data and it's actually going into 00:21:13.939 --> 00:21:16.119 ArcGIS Online is where it's going into. 00:21:16.119 --> 00:21:19.529 And then you can, you know, this, this map is made in ArcGIS Online and it's 00:21:19.529 --> 00:21:22.479 just tapping into that data stream and saying, this is the data we have. 00:21:22.989 --> 00:21:23.449 So. 00:21:23.984 --> 00:21:28.284 That may translate, will translate, could translate into a formal map a bit 00:21:28.284 --> 00:21:32.314 later, but they can make that distinction going, well, we're just publishing data. 00:21:32.314 --> 00:21:37.784 And that falls under the what's known as the USGS fundamental science practices 00:21:37.784 --> 00:21:40.854 group and the fundamental practices group you know, allows them to say, 00:21:40.874 --> 00:21:44.874 okay, we can make the distinction of data versus map and get information out. 00:21:45.124 --> 00:21:48.274 So, you know, it may not seem like a. 00:21:48.649 --> 00:21:52.539 It seemed, it seemed like a bit of a semantic distinction, but I also think 00:21:52.539 --> 00:21:57.199 it's, it can be very important and helpful for people to understand that 00:21:57.209 --> 00:21:59.199 you have that authenticity of a map. 00:21:59.594 --> 00:22:02.134 But at the same time, we want you to get as much information 00:22:02.134 --> 00:22:03.344 as possible for the public. 00:22:03.564 --> 00:22:06.704 Barb: I like how for this, and I think for a lot of the other interactive 00:22:06.704 --> 00:22:10.494 maps we're seeing, that the term people are using is contextualized. 00:22:10.964 --> 00:22:15.614 And that, along with the spatial storytelling and the narration, 00:22:16.004 --> 00:22:20.604 is, I think, a really powerful part of where geospatial work is 00:22:20.624 --> 00:22:21.934 going, which is for the public. 00:22:21.944 --> 00:22:25.284 They're saying, you know, we're not just, this is, you know, not a map, but 00:22:25.304 --> 00:22:26.834 this is data, and we're constructing it. 00:22:27.194 --> 00:22:32.094 contextualizing it so that you can understand what's going on very quickly. 00:22:32.364 --> 00:22:35.704 And I think that's, you know, another trend that we're seeing is this 00:22:35.734 --> 00:22:38.584 contextualization of spatial data. 00:22:38.784 --> 00:22:40.004 Frank: And that's it for the news. 00:22:40.284 --> 00:22:41.394 On to the events corner. 00:22:41.444 --> 00:22:45.124 If you can check out these events or any others may be happening in your area. 00:22:45.184 --> 00:22:49.734 First up in very shortly away is the West Virginia associations 00:22:49.784 --> 00:22:51.344 of geospatial professionals. 00:22:51.494 --> 00:22:53.454 I never remember if it's biannual, biennial. 00:22:53.954 --> 00:22:55.264 It's every two years. 00:22:55.284 --> 00:22:58.934 I remember what the right word is, but it's the, it's the West Virginia 00:22:58.934 --> 00:23:00.814 Geocon, which is taking place May 3rd. 00:23:01.454 --> 00:23:04.414 13th to the 16th in Charleston, West Virginia. 00:23:04.634 --> 00:23:07.244 There are still plenty of slots and rooms available. 00:23:07.274 --> 00:23:08.924 If you would like to go check that out. 00:23:09.114 --> 00:23:15.494 Barb: Intergeo 2024 is happening September 24th through 26th in Stuttgart, Germany, 00:23:15.524 --> 00:23:17.444 and their call for ideas is open. 00:23:17.714 --> 00:23:21.554 Frank: And finally commercial UAV expo is held happening September 3rd 00:23:21.555 --> 00:23:24.054 through the 5th in Las Vegas, Nevada. 00:23:24.449 --> 00:23:28.479 As always, if you would like to add any events to the podcast, you can 00:23:28.479 --> 00:23:31.279 reach us at podcastedveryspatial. 00:23:31.279 --> 00:23:31.729 com. 00:23:31.730 --> 00:23:35.679 If you'd like to reach us individually, I'm Barb at veryspatial. 00:23:35.679 --> 00:23:35.999 com. 00:23:36.309 --> 00:23:37.509 I'm Frank at veryspatial. 00:23:37.509 --> 00:23:37.889 com. 00:23:37.919 --> 00:23:41.469 And you can reach all of our contact information by heading over to contacts. 00:23:41.949 --> 00:23:42.909 At 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your books and the books are yours. 00:25:01.944 --> 00:25:09.904 Pages underlined I read them so slow, the notes you left between Each delicate 00:25:10.004 --> 00:25:19.364 verse, the workings of your mind This is murder, this is war This is blood 00:25:19.364 --> 00:25:27.174 upon our hands More than I can stand This is culture I choose to play 00:25:27.654 --> 00:25:32.894 by the rules We never say why can't we say them And we say them anyway 00:26:14.814 --> 00:26:17.844 Do you want to speak again? 00:26:17.904 --> 00:26:18.824 I don't know. 00:26:18.924 --> 00:26:21.324 Let's take it a step at a time